00:00 DAILY STATS AT 2024-11-29 00:00 UTC: Games: 419, Asc: 11, Scum: 123. 1781168 turns, 40369907 points. 21d 05:09 gametime. (31%Wiz), (43%Hum), (42%Cha), (57%Fem), 1d 23:59 remaining. 00:01 [US] [D]: recuerdo (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 0 points, 252 turns, killed by kicking a sink 00:01 [US] stagnate (Val Hum Fem Law) destroyed elmegil's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:10223 00:01 stagnate, you can zap teleportation at it and then pacify it with a thrown gem (doesn't even have to be a real gem) 00:01 gg rancat 00:02 Umbire sokoban is no teleport or am I missing something? 00:02 congrats rancat 00:03 as in "the hero and monsters cannot teleport themselves" 00:03 ahh ok. 00:03 Thanks.  I didn't think that was an option 00:03 [US] AmElm (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:2220 00:03 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 00:03 [EU] ais523 (Val Hum Fem Law) received Excalibur, on T:4256 00:04 -!- Umbire has joined #tnnt 00:06 stagnate, np 00:06 [US] Prowler (Val Hum Fem Neu) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:26908 00:08 [EU] ais523 (Val Hum Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a kobold lord, on T:4775 00:09 [US] Prowler (Val Hum Fem Neu) polymorphed her first item, on T:27038 00:10 [EU] ais523 (Val Hum Fem Law) removed Prowler's blessed rustproof +5 pair of gauntlets of power from the swap chest, on T:4921 00:11 [US] Grouchy (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Croesus, on T:29676 00:12 [US] crunchbubba (Ran Gno Fem Neu) removed tinklebear's uncursed +0 pair of speed boots from the swap chest, on T:22229 00:12 [EU] ais523 (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:5404 00:14 [US] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) killed Croesus, on T:45999 00:15 [EU] Noisytoot (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:17335 00:15 [US] Prowler (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:27536 00:15 [AU] tjw (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur, on T:2685 00:16 [US] stagnate (Val Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:10895 00:22 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #tnnt 00:22 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Changing host] 00:22 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #tnnt 00:22 [US] crunchbubba (Ran Gno Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:22489 00:22 waddup hackers 00:23 [US] [D]: bleeko (Arc Hum Mal Law), 754 points, 1393 turns, killed by a gnome 00:24 [US] a1 (Hea Gno Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8159 00:25 [AU] [D]: tjw (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2644 points, 4232 turns, killed by a magic missile 00:25 [US] [D]: recuerdo (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1469 points, 2619 turns, killed by a kitten (and one other game not reported) 00:27 -!- nurdglaw has quit [Quit: Client closed] 00:28 -!- eitbo has quit [Quit: Client closed] 00:28 [US] Prowler (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:29115 00:32 [US] k2 (Mon Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:10391 00:32 [US] Prowler (Val Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:29235 00:33 [US] Prowler (Val Hum Fem Neu) genocided class h, on T:29236 00:36 [US] [D]: recuerdo (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 0 points, 154 turns, choked on a food ration 00:36 [US] cpittman (Bar Orc Mal Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:6089 00:38 [US] [D]: recuerdo (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 100 points, 214 turns, killed by a fox 00:38 [US] [D]: recuerdo (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 40 points, 104 turns, killed by a newt 00:38 -!- Haudegen has quit [Quit: Bin weg.] 00:39 [US] [D]: recuerdo (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 7 points, 212 turns, killed by a jackal 00:39 [US] a1 (Hea Gno Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Hermes, on T:8864 00:41 [US] k2 (Mon Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Raisse's ghost, the former Acolyte, on T:10919 00:42 [US] Prowler (Val Hum Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:30090 00:43 [US] k2 (Mon Hum Fem Neu) destroyed tinklebear's ghost, the former Esquire, on T:10983 00:44 i will avenge you all! 00:45 [US] rancat (Mon Hum Mal Cha) found kitten, on T:4076 00:49 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 00:51 [US] Soraya (Val Dwa Fem Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a stone called luck? on an altar, on T:4058 00:51 [US] Prowler (Val Hum Fem Neu) became Odin's Envoy of Balance, on T:30788 00:52 <[> a gelatinous cube ate my stash 00:52 [US] [D]: aosdict (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 951 points, 1194 turns, went to heaven prematurely 00:52 :( 00:52 lame 00:52 why are you sad, I'm in heaven 00:52 nice unique death aosdict 00:54 ... and heaven let them in. there goes the heavenhood. 00:55 hey I deserve to be in heaven I ascended an arc 00:55 [US] [D]: recuerdo (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 497 points, 2037 turns, killed by a giant bat, while praying (and 2 other games not reported) 00:58 [US] Grouchy (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Ashikaga Takauji, on T:31693 00:59 [US] Grouchy (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:31711 00:59 -!- crunchbubba14 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:59 [US] [D]: recuerdo (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 185 points, 410 turns, killed by a gnome 01:00 Hourly Stats at 2024-11-29 01:00 UTC: Games: 15, Asc: 0, Scum: 0. 0d 02:23 gametime. (67%Elf), 1d 22:59 remaining. 01:00 [US] [D]: recuerdo (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 13 points, 124 turns, killed by a jackal 01:00 [US] [D]: bleeko (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1326 points, 1862 turns, killed by a wand 01:00 $lastgame aosdict 01:00 nabru: [US] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/a/aosdict/tnnt/dumplog/1732841609.tnnt.html | [EU] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/a/aosdict/tnnt/dumplog/1731970146.tnnt.html 01:01 [US] rancat (Mon Hum Mal Cha) destroyed tjw the dwarf mummy, and former Skirmisher, on T:4844 01:01 [US] naf (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:62861 01:01 [US] [D]: zyll (Sam Hum Mal Law), 9979 points, 4149 turns, killed by a warg 01:01 [US] [D]: recuerdo (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 3 points, 112 turns, killed by a goblin (and 2 other games not reported) 01:02 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 01:05 [EU] ais523 (Val Hum Fem Law) averted death (killed by a shark), on T:10111 01:06 weird thing to lifesave from 01:07 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #tnnt 01:07 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Changing host] 01:07 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #tnnt 01:08 [EU] ais523 (Val Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "3 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:10283 01:09 -!- stagnate has quit [Quit: Client closed] 01:09 [EU] ais523 (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 silver dragon scale mail", on T:10284 01:09 [US] spazm (Cav Gno Fem Neu) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Ishtar, on T:31946 01:10 [EU] ais523 (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed fireproof greased cloak of magic resistance", on T:10298 01:10 [US] [D]: aosdict (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 44 points, 367 turns, killed by jumping out of a bear trap (and one other game not reported) 01:11 [EU] ais523 (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed ring of levitation", on T:10335 01:12 [EU] Noisytoot (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:22689 01:12 <[> finally 01:15 [US] [D]: aosdict (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 352 points, 446 turns, killed by an explosion 01:16 [US] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:8670 01:16 [US] spazm (Cav Gno Fem Neu) became Ishtar's Envoy of Balance, on T:34269 01:16 [US] naf (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:63033 01:16 [US] naf (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:63034 01:18 [EU] [D]: Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 3825 points, 2386 turns, killed by a blast of disintegration 01:18 [EU] ais523 (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:10673 01:18 [EU] Noisytoot (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) removed ais523's blessed greased +1 black dragon scale mail from the swap chest, on T:23253 01:21 [US] samiam (Tou Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed ring of regeneration", on T:41101 01:22 [AU] tjw (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed recuerdo's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:2173 01:23 [EU] ais523 (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:11290 01:23 [EU] ais523 (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:11292 01:24 [AU] tjw (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur, on T:2303 01:25 [US] SkydiveMike (Mon Hum Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:88131 01:25 [EU] Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu) found kitten, on T:1024 01:25 [US] k2 (Mon Hum Fem Neu) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a small glob of black pudding, on T:15044 01:25 aaaaaaah crap 01:26 welp... it's all an the menu now 01:26 [US] [D]: bleeko (Arc Hum Mal Law), 223 points, 585 turns, killed by a dwarf 01:26 *on 01:26 [EU] Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu) averted death (killed by a brown mold), on T:1136 01:27 [EU] ais523 (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "3 blessed scrolls of enchant weapon", on T:11584 01:27 [EU] ais523 (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:11585 01:27 [US] cpittman (Bar Orc Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:8848 01:28 [EU] ais523 (Val Hum Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:11590 01:28 [EU] ais523 (Val Hum Fem Law) genocided class h, on T:11591 01:30 [US] recuerdo (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:7186 01:30 [EU] Furey (Pri Hum Fem Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon her by Anu, on T:3623 01:30 [US] recuerdo (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a werejackal, on T:7440 01:30 [EU] ais523 (Val Hum Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:11751 01:31 [US] a1 (Hea Gno Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a fire vortex, on T:10131 01:31 [US] samiam (Tou Hum Mal Neu) wished for "magic marker", on T:41765 01:32 [US] k2 (Mon Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed fixed eye of the aethiopica", on T:15722 01:32 hahaha throne wish 01:33 [EU] ais523 (Val Hum Fem Law) removed efot's wand of sleep (0:6) from the swap chest, on T:11876 01:33 [EU] Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu) murdered Fiopa, his faithful kitten, on T:1915 01:39 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 01:39 [US] [D]: dpmdpm (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 1423 points, 2234 turns, killed by a werewolf 01:39 [US] cathartes (Bar Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:3651 01:41 K2: the correct line is "looks like meat's back on the menu boys" 01:41 [US] spazm (Cav Gno Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:37990 01:41 -!- Dhuend has joined #tnnt 01:42 [US] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a silver dragon, on T:9499 01:42 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #tnnt 01:43 [EU] Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3603 01:45 [US] cathartes (Bar Hum Fem Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:4056 01:45 [EU] ais523 (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:12421 01:46 [US] SkydiveMike (Mon Hum Mal Neu) removed samiam's uncursed ring of levitation from the swap chest, on T:88849 01:46 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Changing host] 01:46 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #tnnt 01:47 [US] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law) murdered Agent 99, her faithful nalfeshnee, on T:9747 01:47 [EU] ais523 (Val Hum Fem Law) genocided class m, on T:12505 01:47 [US] [D]: tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law), 61037 points, 9758 turns, killed by a xorn 01:48 [US] samiam (Tou Hum Mal Neu) genocided class ;, on T:42761 01:48 [US] samiam (Tou Hum Mal Neu) genocided class P, on T:42762 01:48 [US] elron (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed bleeko's ghost, the former Field Worker, on T:4073 01:48 [US] samiam (Tou Hum Mal Neu) genocided class h, on T:42762 01:49 hmm, why can I see from afar the prices of the armor in this weapons shop but not the prices of the weapons 01:49 [US] elron (Val Hum Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a bow on an altar, on T:4112 01:52 I don't really understand the conditions under which you can tell prices of things you haven't inspected while adjacent 01:52 [EU] ais523 (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:13016 01:52 [AU] Grasshopper (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Orcus, on T:55881 01:53 seems like something I've noticed, anomalously, but only in passing 01:53 [US] [D]: bleeko (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1659 points, 2581 turns, killed by a rothe 01:54 [US] [D]: dpmdpm (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 3732 points, 1918 turns, killed by a watchman 01:55 [US] k2 (Mon Hum Fem Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:17022 01:55 * K2 sighs 01:56 -!- Changesite has joined #tnnt 01:57 [EU] [D]: Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 6746 points, 5539 turns, killed by a Grey-elf, while praying 01:58 [US] spazm (Cav Gno Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:38974 02:00 Hourly Stats at 2024-11-29 02:00 UTC: Games: 28, Asc: 0, Scum: 8. 26385 turns, 79139 points. (50%Fem), 1d 21:59 remaining. 02:00 [EU] [D]: Furey (Pri Hum Fem Law), 5753 points, 7221 turns, killed by a gray unicorn 02:01 [EU] ais523 (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:13779 02:02 -!- crunchbubba61 has joined #tnnt 02:02 [US] samiam (Tou Hum Mal Neu) became The Lady's Envoy of Balance, on T:43423 02:03 [US] elron (Val Hum Fem Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:4730 02:03 [US] k2 (Mon Hum Fem Neu) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:17994 02:04 [EU] blankman (Rog Hum Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:22476 02:05 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 02:07 I have a pet dragon. I think he's permanently carrying a stash, so we may one day need to have *words*. but if I go on the quest without him, he will be friendly, but not tame? can I toss the usual food an retame him? 02:09 [US] crunchbubba (Ran Gno Fem Neu) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Venus, on T:23637 02:09 Venus is taunting me 02:10 [US] recuerdo (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) destroyed zyll's ghost, the former Ninja, on T:14756 02:10 [US] k2 (Mon Hum Fem Neu) just blew up her bag of holding, on T:18441 02:10 alright 02:10 oof 02:11 Dragons can't be tamed by food to begin with, so you'll just anger them pelting them with stuff 02:11 [US] elron (Val Hum Fem Neu) became Odin's Envoy of Balance, on T:7130 02:11 i was certain that wand wasnt cancellation 02:12 i've screwed up all the cool monk conducts, and blew up my bag with all my shit in it 02:12 thanks, Umbire 02:12 going out in style 02:13 [US] [D]: k2 (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 103708 points, 18510 turns, killed by the Oracle 02:14 F 02:15 thanks for the speed boots, tinklebear 02:15 oh cool, crunchbubba. glad they found someone to wear them! 02:16 [EU] Noisytoot (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the invisible Dark One, on T:28764 02:16 [US] samiam (Tou Hum Mal Neu) wished for "magic marker", on T:44249 02:16 [US] spazm (Cav Gno Fem Neu) made her first wish - "marker", on T:39797 02:16 [EU] Noisytoot (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:28766 02:16 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 02:17 [US] spazm (Cav Gno Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:39812 02:17 [EU] Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu) found kitten, on T:528 02:18 [US] bleeko (Arc Hum Mal Law) averted death (killed by a gnome lord), on T:1487 02:19 [US] oh6 (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:59523 02:19 [US] oh6 (Arc Dwa Mal Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:59530 02:20 [US] charlie14690 (Cav Hum Mal Neu) genocided class ;, on T:22046 02:20 -!- qt has joined #tnnt 02:20 -!- mode/#tnnt [+o qt] by ChanServ 02:20 [US] oh6 (Arc Dwa Mal Law) performed the invocation, on T:59553 02:21 happy thanksgiving 02:21 to all who celebrate 02:21 [US] spazm (Cav Gno Fem Neu) wished for "marker", on T:39869 02:21 personally I call it thanksTAKING... shame on anyone who has thanksgiving events where their families get together and enjoy each other companies 02:22 but have a good time in your shame :) 02:22 [EU] [D]: Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 515 points, 977 turns, killed by a water demon, while frozen by a monster's gaze 02:22 [US] spazm (Cav Gno Fem Neu) genocided class h, on T:39887 02:23 [US] oh6 (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed Yeenoghu, on T:59634 02:23 -!- Kontroller has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:23 [US] [D]: recuerdo (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 12748 points, 16875 turns, killed by a water demon (and 15 other games not reported) 02:25 [US] oh6 (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:59677 02:25 [EU] ais523 (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:15337 02:25 [US] oh6 (Arc Dwa Mal Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:59685 02:28 [US] spazm (Cav Gno Fem Neu) removed tjw's uncursed ring of levitation from the swap chest, on T:40002 02:28 [EU] [D]: Furey (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 26 points, 173 turns, killed by an incubus 02:29 [US] bleeko (Arc Hum Mal Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:1821 02:29 I ate way too much food for thanksgiving 02:30 does buying prot break atheist? 02:31 qt: this is really the case with my thanksgiving, we host a bunch of people over and everyone brings a takeaway container leaving us with not so many leftovers 02:31 according to wiki every chat with a priest breaks atheist 02:31 [US] samiam (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Asmodeus, on T:45392 02:31 [US] Narc (Bar Hum Mal Cha) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3682 02:31 [US] eitlarry (Hea Gno Fem Neu) removed rancat's uncursed potion of full healing from the swap chest, on T:45956 02:32 [US] [D]: jmcunx (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 1710 points, 2682 turns, killed by an iguana, while reading a book 02:33 [US] spazm (Cav Gno Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:40433 02:34 [US] [D]: a1 (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 53824 points, 11753 turns, choked on a red dragon corpse 02:34 ^-- I ate more. 02:34 :\ 02:34 [US] elron (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:13080 02:34 thanks blankman 02:35 [EU] ais523 (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:16054 02:35 [EU] ais523 (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:16056 02:36 [US] spazm (Cav Gno Fem Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 27 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:40734 02:37 -!- Kontroller has joined #tnnt 02:37 [US] spazm (Cav Gno Fem Neu) wished for "marker", on T:40755 02:37 [EU] ais523 (Val Hum Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:16265 02:39 [US] eitlarry (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:46380 02:39 [US] charlie14690 (Cav Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fireproof greased +2 pair of speed boots", on T:22443 02:40 [US] spazm (Cav Gno Fem Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 4 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:41093 02:40 [US] cathartes (Bar Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:8573 02:40 [EU] ais523 (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible high priestess of Moloch, on T:16381 02:40 [US] [D]: Narc (Bar Hum Mal Cha), 3586 points, 4247 turns, killed by an owlbear 02:41 [EU] ais523 (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:16386 02:41 [US] bleeko (Arc Hum Mal Law) destroyed dpmdpm's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:2396 02:42 [EU] [D]: Furey (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 342 points, 838 turns, killed by a brown mold 02:42 [EU] [D]: Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 2170 points, 2572 turns, killed by a crocodile 02:44 [US] habibOotC (Rog Orc Fem Cha) became literate by engraving "y", on T:4598 02:45 [US] elron (Val Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a giant mimic, on T:14217 02:46 does reverse genocide break genocideless? I think it's no, but I want to make sure 02:46 no 02:48 epic 02:50 [EU] ais523 (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:17569 02:51 [US] charlie14690 (Cav Hum Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:22640 02:51 [US] tjw (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:14524 02:52 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:52 [US] elron (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:15148 02:52 [EU] ais523 (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:17729 02:54 [US] bleeko (Arc Hum Mal Law) had Frost Brand bestowed upon him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:2733 02:54 [US] [D]: elmegil (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 101 points, 340 turns, killed by a jackal (and one other game not reported) 02:54 [EU] [D]: Furey (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 58 points, 207 turns, killed by a black pudding 02:55 [AU] Grasshopper (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:56583 02:55 [AU] Grasshopper (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:56584 02:56 [US] spazm (Cav Gno Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:41735 02:56 [US] spazm (Cav Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:41736 02:56 [US] elron (Val Hum Fem Neu) removed spazm's blessed +4 silver dragon scale mail from the swap chest, on T:15741 02:59 [EU] ais523 (Val Hum Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:18735 03:00 Hourly Stats at 2024-11-29 03:00 UTC: Games: 12, Asc: 0, Scum: 0. 0d 11:21 gametime. (67%Hum), 1d 20:59 remaining. 03:00 -!- qt has joined #tnnt 03:00 -!- mode/#tnnt [+o qt] by ChanServ 03:00 [AU] Grasshopper (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:56654 03:01 [US] eitlarry (Hea Gno Fem Neu) entered the Planes, on T:46718 03:01 [EU] Furey (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (small mimic), on T:770 03:01 [US] elron (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:16440 03:03 [EU] [D]: Furey (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 334 points, 1590 turns, killed by a coyote 03:05 [EU] [D]: Furey (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 24 points, 187 turns, killed by a system shock 03:06 [EU] ais523 (Val Hum Fem Law) genocided class ;, on T:18932 03:07 [US] levoittiel (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:27735 03:07 [EU] [D]: Furey (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 32 points, 168 turns, poisoned by a rotted human corpse, while praying 03:08 * anselmus had ramen today but will be having a huge cookout tomorrow 03:09 anyone had anything particularly memorable? 03:09 heh. I am attempting to mine potions of gain level, using the vault. my black dragon and large dog were not buff enough, or I didn't give them enough recovery time 03:09 (pours one out for dead pet black dragon named Butt) 03:09 had a fuck ton of pie 03:09 vault guard farming really needs that purple worm 03:10 [EU] ais523 (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Famine, on T:19045 03:10 [US] spazm (Cav Gno Fem Neu) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:42133 03:10 too, Loggers 03:10 I see that now, tjw 03:11 [EU] [A]: ais523 (Val Hum Fem Law), 1520634 points, 19065 turns, ascended 03:11 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/a/ais523/tnnt/dumplog/1732836772.tnnt.html 03:11 [EU] [D]: Furey (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 143 points, 593 turns, killed by a small mimic 03:11 gg ais523 03:11 thanks 03:11 this is definitely my fastest speedrun to date 03:11 I am not a very good speedrunner, but I wanted to be top 10 on the leaderboards 03:12 all the practice with low-resource valk paid off 03:12 grats ais523! 03:12 3:38 is pretty damn quick 03:12 oddly, the hardest part is the Castle and the levels immediately before – I did Castle before Quest and on low resources, it was hard to survive, I had to "oLS for healing in the castle because I was fighting it the brute-force way (my only Castle solution was a wand of opening) 03:12 -!- Dhuend has quit [Quit: Client closed] 03:13 Loggers_VIII: it's not as fast as you :-) 03:13 [US] spazm (Cav Gno Fem Neu) wished for "marker", on T:42535 03:13 [US] allanb (Ran Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed spellbook of identify", on T:45564 03:14 hehe thanks 03:14 [US] levoittiel (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) destroyed jackbunny's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:28232 03:14 my previous online record was 19941 (3.4.3) or 31175 (3.6), and 5:27 (3.4.3) or 7:01 (3.6) 03:14 I was scared luxidream was going to steal my record when someone pinged him yesterday but I think he is *thoroughly* burnt out on nethack 03:15 clearly we need to use a confused scroll of enchant player, to fix the burning 03:15 ais523: that's quite the improvement 03:15 heh worth a shot :p 03:15 I think I have done faster in turncount offline, but not by all that much, and it would have been ages ago and I wasn't keeping proper records 03:15 gg ais523 03:15 faster than 19941, that is; probably also faster than 19065, my new PB 03:16 crunchbubba61, black dragon is doable with healing support I imagine 03:16 keep in mind that guards hit like, 4d10 03:16 this is what an honest turncount speedrun should be 03:16 so the reason you don't guard farm personally is the murder penalty? 03:17 not that swap chest stuffing bs 03:17 I accidentally had a murder penalty that game, killed the HPoM without angering them 03:17 anselmus: nah, you can go way faster on turncount 03:17 that game was polyselfless, for example 03:17 and I explored Gehennom manually 03:17 well, clairvoyance+pick-axe, my usual combination 03:17 GG ais523 03:17 also I missed Vlad's the first time and had to re-explore 03:18 i want my 19k speedrun trophy back! *sob* 03:18 vlad's is one of the reasons I always use mapping 03:18 [EU] [D]: Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 409 points, 667 turns, killed by a gnome lord 03:18 well, it's generally 50-50 to find it before the other unknown stairs on the same level 03:19 [US] [A]: eitlarry (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 1870724 points, 46913 turns, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/e/eitlarry/tnnt/dumplog/1731960532.tnnt.html 03:19 unless you use alternate level exploration and the vlad's branch level is one of the levels you skipped 03:19 gg eitlarry 03:19 unfortunately that is not going to compete for lowscore because I ascended on the correct altar 03:19 all the 'eit's are the same person, right? 03:20 [EU] [D]: Furey (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 344 points, 652 turns, killed by a djinni 03:20 [US] elmegil (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:4559 03:20 [US] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:4980 03:21 Loggers_VIII: no, EIT is a clan 03:21 all its members have EIT at the start of their name 03:21 -!- Umbire has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:21 oh, weird 03:21 it is a very longstanding clan, a couple of decades ago it was one of the two best clans at /dev/null/nethack 03:21 for some reason I just assumed it was one person with a bunch of alts 03:21 [US] spazm (Cav Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed drum of earthquake", on T:43610 03:21 anyone know how far back unfoog goes? 03:21 [US] spazm (Cav Gno Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:43614 03:21 [US] spazm (Cav Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:43615 03:22 and because the clan predates the server, they could put their clantag in their username when joining 03:22 aosdict: it's also very old, it was around in /dev/null/nethack when I first paid attention to it 03:22 I was actually an unfoog member myself one year 03:22 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 03:22 [US] [D]: klipto (Sam Hum Mal Law), 334 points, 1075 turns, killed by a bat, while sleeping 03:22 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #tnnt 03:22 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Changing host] 03:22 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #tnnt 03:23 always assumed eit was a school like mit 03:23 just ocurred to me that it may not be 03:24 I think people were talking about a few days ago that it is mit 03:24 [US] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:5025 03:25 some of the pages on their website are still live, e.g. http://claneit.org/oldnews.html 03:25 [US] spazm (Cav Gno Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:43756 03:25 "2002-10-31 - clan EIT formed by eit_cyrus and eit_durok to compete in the devnull nethack tournament" 03:26 they seem to know each other in real life, at least 03:27 eitbrad, who is playing this year, appears to be a founding member, so that would mean that they've been in the same clan for 23 years 03:27 [US] spazm (Cav Gno Fem Neu) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:43847 03:27 [US] spazm (Cav Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:43849 03:29 http://claneit.org/members.html 03:29 -!- stagnate has joined #tnnt 03:30 * anselmus wasn't aware of eit_fatdick 03:31 nethack really one of those games mfs play for decades 03:32 -!- Umbire has joined #tnnt 03:32 -!- crunchbubba61 has quit [Quit: Client closed] 03:32 -!- crunchbubba63 has joined #tnnt 03:33 [US] [D]: klipto (Sam Hum Mal Law), 481 points, 2061 turns, killed by a hobgoblin 03:33 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 03:35 -!- a-1 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:35 IIRC in earlier discussion or vault farming for gain level, it was mentioned that the vault was teleported to. why? so that the guard doesn't run away? or pets wander off? 03:35 [AU] [D]: Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 2128 points, 2285 turns, killed by a black unicorn 03:37 [US] [D]: klipto (Sam Hum Mal Law), 456 points, 856 turns, killed by a coyote 03:38 In my case I essentially walled off the vault area with boulders so other monsters couldn't walk in and cause trouble. 03:38 [US] [D]: elmegil (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 3592 points, 6829 turns, killed by a large dog 03:40 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:41 $time 03:41 crunchbubba63: 2024-11-29 03:41:39 UTC. 2024 Tournament closes in 1d 20:18:20 03:41 oof 03:41 [US] [D]: klipto (Sam Hum Mal Law), 216 points, 809 turns, killed by a gnome 03:42 I can't do the quest for lack of XP level, and was hoping for some fine guard potions 03:42 [US] [D]: elmegil (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 151 points, 492 turns, killed by a kobold 03:43 [US] samiam (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:45944 03:44 troll ass xorn zapped a wand of teleportation at me when I was in a boulder fort on the monk lair stairs 03:44 [US] spazm (Cav Gno Fem Neu) entered the Planes, on T:45477 03:44 hmm, more evidence the xl14 barrier is good for the game: on my speedrun, I did castle before quest (as a valk) even though the other way round would have been much easier and needed fewer resources, due to not having the levels for the quest yet 03:44 [US] spazm (Cav Gno Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:45479 03:44 is that evilhack? 03:44 oh! I should just put guaranteed gain level potions in the Castle 03:44 tnnt monsters won't zap tele at stuff besides themselves 03:44 *that* would fix the problem simply enough 03:45 aosdict: 3.7 03:45 [US] [D]: klipto (Sam Hum Mal Law), 127 points, 511 turns, killed by a small mimic 03:45 ais523: meh if you need it that bad you can wish for them (unless you spread wishes) 03:45 aosdict: right, this would be a complement to wish-spreading 03:46 you should just lower the requirement lol 03:46 it's mostly just a time-save, I'm told that there are reliable strategies to reach XL14 using the Valley 03:46 [US] allanb (Ran Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed rustproof +2 Frost Brand", on T:46645 03:46 [US] allanb (Ran Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed rustproof +2 Frost Brand", on T:46646 03:46 Loggers_VIII: no, if you lowered the requirement even to 13 I would have gone into the quest immediately and had a much easier Castle 03:46 you can reach level 30 pretty reliably with the valley if you want 03:46 [US] allanb (Ran Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed rustproof +2 Frost Brand", on T:46658 03:47 this boy kaen pissin me tf off 03:47 in a way, character level isn't so important in NetHack – 11-12 or so is enough to ascend, so the quest artifact is in a way your reward for hitting 14 03:47 bitchass keeps running to the stairs that I can't camp on because the xorn with the wand of tele is there >:( 03:47 anyway, in 3.7 you can kill the quest leader 03:48 killing the quest leader is more effort than getting to xl 14 lol 03:48 mainly because of the really fucked up luck and god anger 03:49 without that I actually really like it as an alternative cause if you can kill the QL along with the fellas you can definitely do the quest 03:49 [US] [D]: a1 (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 496 points, 1543 turns, killed by a rothe 03:49 -!- blankman has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:50 or you can isolate the fellas and just kill the QL which requires ingenuity and is fun 03:50 [US] spazm (Cav Gno Fem Neu) killed Pestilence, on T:45707 03:50 -!- blankman has joined #tnnt 03:51 I would kill the grand master this run for his cool robe but I'm atheist so getting luck back would be annoying 03:51 [US] [D]: aosdict (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 3214 points, 4440 turns, killed by a boiling potion 03:52 [US] spazm (Cav Gno Fem Neu) killed Death, on T:45766 03:52 [US] levoittiel (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) just blew up her bag of holding, on T:30471 03:52 oooohhhhh random +2 speed boots on a wishless run fuck yeah 03:53 God's speed 03:54 I forget if 3.7 applies a permanent penalty for killing the quest leader 03:54 I just polyed up a figurine of a Nazgul 03:54 [US] [A]: spazm (Cav Gno Fem Neu), 1296560 points, 45786 turns, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/s/spazm/tnnt/dumplog/1732750194.tnnt.html 03:54 aosdict: sort of. it makes your luck time out to -4 03:54 which I assume must be without its ring 03:54 grats spazm 03:54 <@spazm9000> ty 03:54 but what is a Nazgul without a ring? 03:54 grasshopper: yeah, figurine-created monsters don't get starting equipment 03:54 Gaznul? 03:55 pffft 03:55 Nulgaz 03:55 I think designing around the idea of "you can just kill the quest leader as an option" is not the way to go, you're not supposed to do that 03:55 yeah I agree. it's meant to be something you CAN do if you have no other option 03:56 time to go die to medusa by forgetting I don't have reflection 03:56 I'm fine with it unlocking the quest if the game would otherwise be unwinnable, and am happy that the quest can no longer make the game unwinnable, but don't like the idea of "support kill leader strats" 03:56 right – many people on the devteam don't want kill-the-quest-leader to be at all suggested or ever optimal 03:57 I have that opinion mildly, some have it much more strongly 03:58 [EU] Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:3584 04:00 Hourly Stats at 2024-11-29 04:00 UTC: Games: 20, Asc: 3, Scum: 0. 1d 20:49 gametime. (60%Mal), 1d 19:59 remaining. 04:01 [US] samiam (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:47443 04:02 fwiw I am starting to think that lawful human valk is better than dwarf valk, the Mines are just the right mix of peaceful and hostile 04:02 no infravision kind-of sucks but you can work with it 04:02 (neutral valk is terrible by comparison to either of those) 04:02 <@spazm9000> i just finished all the great race trophies 04:04 [US] [D]: aosdict (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 306 points, 402 turns, killed by a carnivorous bag 04:04 ugh, titan cursed my BoH and I lost all my holy water 04:04 that's a big blow for an atheist 04:05 ouch 04:05 oh wait I have exactly one! it's fine 04:05 I assume this is too early to set up the emergency sack? 04:05 [EU] [D]: Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 5067 points, 4512 turns, killed by a soldier ant 04:05 the one game this tournament where I needed the emergency sack, I didn't have one 04:05 lost my spellbook of chain lightning right before I forgot the spell too :( 04:06 I had stashed a wand of cancellation in the middle of Gehennom and was able to run back there, luckily the Wizard didn't respawn en route 04:07 I could have gone and grabbed a wand of cancellation from the mines but lowkey I would rather lose the holy water 04:07 backtracking suuuuuuuuuuuuuucks 04:07 [US] charlie14690 (Cav Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:23418 04:08 [US] naf (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:67960 04:08 the BoH/cancel dynamic is so complex in NetHack – I don't think it's *good* but it's interesting to study 04:08 anyway I had to dig in my bag for food because I was getting hungry and I couldn't pray or eat corpses of course 04:08 [US] naf (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:67974 04:09 ais523: like a lot of things in nethack honestly 04:09 more interesting than they are strictly well-designed 04:09 ais523: what's complex about it? I understand that you put cancel in BoH, it explodes... and something about nested bags, but nobody does that normally. 04:10 (...and zap cancellation at cursed BoH, and it stops eating your stuff) 04:11 aha, pat rankin got back to me about his old list of monsters to add 04:11 (...and you can put uncharged wand of cancellation in a BoH with no problems at all...) 04:11 [US] [D]: klipto (Sam Hum Mal Law), 2761 points, 3213 turns, killed by an invisible gnome lord 04:12 if anyone's interested, it's 04:12 gold dragons and baby gold dragons (already added) 04:12 woops accidentally sent instead of going to next line 04:12 * anselmus ponders the ethical implications of finishing his work in about 1/8th the time he's billing 04:13 [US] [D]: fadein (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 556 points, 1711 turns, killed by a giant bat 04:14 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 04:14 [US] samiam (Tou Hum Mal Neu) genocided class R, on T:47941 04:15 [US] [D]: klipto (Sam Hum Mal Law), 182 points, 952 turns, killed by a gnome lord 04:15 f displacer beasts (already added) 04:15 J vorpal jabberwock - bite has a chance to decapitate 04:15 r vorpal bunny - bite will decapitate if HP is half or less, cut in half otherwise 04:15 a executioner beetle - bite has a chance to decapitate 04:15 x memril - bites twice, each with a chance to decapitate (NOGEN until wizard (or X?) harassment starts?) 04:15 Z wendigo - hit for cold damage unless target is resistant, hit for famine damage instead; possible polymorph target as side-effect of cannibalism 04:15 d chupacabra - vampiric "goat sucker" (suspected to actually be a coyote inflicted with mange) 04:15 w glowworm - emits light (maybe devours globs?) 04:15 a firefly - emits light, deals fire damage 04:16 wow he really likes decapitation monsters 04:16 [US] charlie14690 (Cav Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed ring of levitation named electric eels deserve genocide", on T:23623 04:17 wendigo is one I'd quite like to see added. I've often thought it would be a cool addition, and fitting considering the variety of folklore and mythology nethack pulls monsters from 04:17 [US] [D]: bleeko (Arc Hum Mal Law), 5797 points, 6672 turns, killed by an owlbear 04:17 aosdict: yeah pat has an evil streak it seems :P 04:17 vorpal J is the only actual deferred one in the source, isn't the reason it's not been implemented that it's too cruel? 04:18 this-kind-of-damage-if-that-other-kind-ineffective is pretty cool 04:19 you'd know better than me, but I was vaguely aware that first nations people would really rather not have the pop-culture-ization of the wendigo that it's currently getting 04:19 [US] naf (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:68373 04:21 I have a very many things to say on that subject but on the whole I don't really agree with keeping wiindigos and stuff out of media 04:21 but yeah it's kind of a controversial topic idk 04:22 -!- Bleeko has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:22 especially as long as the depiction is accurate to the myths I see no real issue with it 04:23 [US] [D]: aosdict (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 266 points, 472 turns, killed by a hobbit 04:25 [US] [D]: aosdict (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 234 points, 264 turns, killed by a hobbit 04:25 i thought rainbow dragon was a done deal 04:26 I generally prefer original monsters to ones based on mythology – probably for much the same reason I prefer ASCII to tiles 04:27 [US] charlie14690 (Cav Hum Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:23822 04:27 in fairness, I think I do dislike the space the wiindigo occupies in current popular culture, but I'm struggling to find the words to express it without sounding mean :p 04:28 anselmus: wdym? isn't that the caveman quest nemesis 04:28 ais523: what's complex about it? ← the dynamic of one item being very strong and the other being very convenient, and carrying cancellation lets you work around the main downside of a bag of holding, but creates an all new main downside 04:28 i mean, for rainbow dsm 04:29 does rainbow dsm protect against everything? if not, why not? 04:29 * anselmus has a feeling only executioner beetle is going to make the cut given the devteam's history 04:29 YES 04:29 so what mechanic stops it being a standard asc kit component? 04:29 it protects against everything but each thing has only a 1/(# of colors) chance of protecting at any given moment 04:29 i dare you to come up with one logical reason against it 04:30 aosdict: lol 04:30 [US] [D]: aosdict (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 255 points, 318 turns, killed by a hill giant 04:30 it's like that woody allen joke about the lion 04:30 I think vorpal bunny is too silly but I want it to get added :p 04:30 head of a lion, and the body of a lion. but not the same lion 04:31 something like that 04:31 I'm having a hard enough time trying to balance the existing instadeaths, balancing new ones could be even harder 04:31 exercise: what difficulty level should a vorpal bunny have 04:31 1 04:31 IMO the most interesting instadeath is eel drowning 04:31 realistically something high, and make them a gehennom-only monster 04:31 note that it will two-shot or at least 3-shot anyone especially if they're paralyzed or sleeping 04:32 give the bunny a grotto in the votd 04:32 I think the bunny would be funny as a pseudo-unique monster 04:32 oh yes, that could work 04:32 put it in the gehennom ludios-type branch that is definitely being added 04:32 I would like to see more branches off Gehennom, but they are hard to design well 04:33 I actually think execution beetle is insanely funny because of how the summon insects spell's lethality would skyrocket 04:33 people would just genocide them? 04:33 yeah but if you didn't though 04:33 other than self-polymorph into a headless monster, should there be a source of decapitation resistance? 04:33 some variants have an illness-inflicting a 04:33 genoless, or accidentally angered a priest, or priest doing quest before getting geno 04:34 cathartes: some variants give vorpal blade beheading resistance 04:34 cathartes: you could make it a DSM side effect I guess? not sure which color 04:34 but that makes it only accessible to neu 04:34 (without permaconversion) 04:34 [US] epiksalad (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Athor's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:3272 04:35 it is weird to me how many balance changes by other devs to NetHack tend to make the most difficult situations worse, rather than the easier ones 04:35 [US] eitbo (Val Hum Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:72224 04:35 doesn't the bunny just always kill you if you're not large enough to resist bisection? 04:35 e.g. magic traps became a little more dangerous in 3.7 when they were already one of the most dangerous traps 04:35 jabberwocks are already one of the most dangerous non-unique monsters in Gehennom 04:36 I really think having the bunny at the end of a hellish fort guarding a magic marker or something would be cool. I've become infatuated with this idea and will inevitably become sad when nothing like it is ever added to vanilla 04:36 ais523: meanwhile you have evilhack giving all zombies a deathly illness inducing bite and only bumping their difficulty up by 1 04:36 (I think they're probably *the* most dangerous non-unique monster that isn't routinely genocided) 04:36 so you will see them on DL2 04:37 aosdict: they also can drain int like a flayer :P 04:37 they used to give amnesia too but they don't anymore 04:38 plus they revive like a troll so you have to fight them a lot 04:38 I put instant instadeaths in a different category from almost all other attacks, because they have to be defended against in advance, you can't fix things after the fact 04:38 yay zombies 04:38 gah 04:39 I also never see kobold zombies in groups in vanilla whereas in evil there's always, like, a small army of them 04:39 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 04:41 [US] naf (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:68941 04:41 strange that the Z are more gregarious than their living counterparts 04:41 like, TNNT 2023 and 2024 have both convinced me that monster use of /oDeath is a problem 04:41 no it is not 04:41 like, you never see a kobold warband anywhere near as huge as the Z hordes 04:41 either your character has the defence already, or they get lucky, or they die 04:42 ais, that's not entirely true 04:42 this isn't interesting except as a depth-resistance thing, and I think NetHack is moving away from depth-resistance as a balancing mechanism, it isn't really that sort of game 04:42 [US] naf (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:68944 04:43 tinklebear: go on 04:43 [US] [D]: Athor (Mon Hum Fem Law), 2099 points, 2245 turns, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted hill orc, while frozen by a monster's gaze 04:43 well, you can kill monsters before they a have direct line on you 04:43 and they don't know how to do the same to you 04:43 they can also miss 04:43 K2: that's the "get lucky" 04:43 it's the game gently reminding you that your fly is down and you need to play the right class 04:44 my last game, i didnt have reflection, sergeant zapped wand of death twice at me and missed 04:44 i killed it, got the wand 04:44 but yes, it's possible to kill intelligent monsters with stinking cloud or bounced attacks without them ever getting in line 04:44 and no its not luck. i had good ac 04:44 yes. precisely, ais 04:44 I think the correct fix is to have some way to get a warning that a monster has a wand of death, before it kills you 04:44 there's nothing here to fix in that regard 04:44 people don't tend to do this, or even think of doing it, because reflection and MR spoil them 04:44 that way you can take precautions regarding it that it'd be tedious to take for every enemy in the game 04:45 if you really want to 'fix' it, dont let /oD spawn as early as it can 04:45 tinklebear: well, not just that, but some characters and some level layouts aren't conducive to it 04:45 [US] [D]: cpittman (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 30608 points, 12853 turns, killed by a sergeant, while praying 04:45 * tinklebear tries to think of some level layouts 04:45 [US] [D]: Athor (Mon Hum Fem Law), 315 points, 496 turns, killed by a dwarf king 04:46 the corridor leading to the Sokoban zoo 04:46 you might be right about the "some characters" part. I'm not a well-rounded player, ais 04:46 could let death ray be more like radiation requiring multiple doses to be lethal 04:46 oh, yeah. those soko corridors are absolute murder holes 04:46 not-quite-death ray? 04:46 I have a plan that's simply just "the first time a monster zaps a wand of death it always misses (including on the rebound)" 04:46 but... well, that's soko for you. it's a TRAP 04:46 [US] stagnate (Val Hum Fem Law) destroyed klipto's ghost, the former Ronin, on T:15453 04:47 and then from then on, open season 04:47 ais523 that is a horrible plan 04:47 ^ seconded 04:47 yer horrible 04:47 stop it with these nerf ideas seriously :) 04:47 getting killed early in NH is part of the charm 04:47 or make it like a stoning death, you have 1 turn to heal yourself 04:47 you've been infected with what we in the military call 'the good idea fairy' 04:48 honestly, apart from a poison insta-death and a YASD on Medusa, most of my recent deaths have been to one wand or another 04:48 [US] [D]: Athor (Mon Hum Fem Law), 132 points, 427 turns, killed by a sewer rat 04:48 but I don't mind. Well, not that much anyway 04:48 ais, consider how exhilarating it is to acquire a wand of death, while still susceptible to it, from the corpse of an enemy who would have used it to kill you 04:48 don't take that away 04:49 tinklebear: not really exhilarating? it's happened to me several times and it's more like a shrug of the shoulders, "oh, the RNG decided to be nice this time" 04:49 playing locally, I've died to a random /oDeath zap, encountered the bones without recognising it, got zapped by the same monster again but it missed this time 04:49 you're only considering the "good luck" cases 04:49 I don't think this really added to the game 04:50 i big part of nethack's appeal is that it's hard and that anything can happen. dont mess with that formula 04:50 it's just a coinflip, either you go back to the start of the game or you don't 04:50 so? 04:50 you aren't considering the case where the player employs tactics to minimise their vulnerability to death rays, without acquiring immunity 04:50 well, I'm considering them to the extent of dismissing them due to being overly tedious 04:50 that is relative 04:51 I haven't found them tedious 04:51 'tedious' is not a static value 04:51 I find them quite interesting 04:51 same 04:51 [backscroll] adding the Rabbit of Caerbannog would be neat 04:51 anyway, the more minor way to do the change is to have a /oDeath hit trigger saving grace 04:52 a turn based game is supposed to be a game of skill 04:52 (presumably changing it into a miss) 04:52 there is no skill in getting death rayed in the face 04:52 K2 introduce the rabbit is next TNNT 04:52 that's once per game, across all the possible saving grace triggers 04:52 in 04:52 are we also adding a holy hand grenade? 04:52 hah 04:53 rabbit auto-kill one-use device 04:53 i almost made the rabbit the quest nemesis for the planned druid role addition, but it felt too silly 04:53 K2: the thing is, I'm also trying to address the problem that NetHack is too easy for a spoiled player – there are a number of cheese strategies I want to close off, some of which players don't even realise are cheese 04:54 what did you have in mind ais523? 04:54 e.g. I got some of my ascensions this tournament via a very early crowning (pre-Sokoban), which if you're chaotic, solves actually all the early game problems simultaneously 04:54 [US] [D]: Athor (Mon Hum Fem Law), 562 points, 1003 turns, killed by a jackal, while frozen by a monster's gaze 04:54 and many of the midgame problems 04:54 [US] oh6 (Arc Dwa Mal Law) entered the Planes, on T:59892 04:54 if you're lucky enough to find an altar and a luckstone you can even do it pre-Mines, although most games don't have that sort of luck 04:54 (and enough food to survive the altar camp, but that isn't hard to obtain in 3.6) 04:55 set a level limit on crowning 04:55 right – I have plans which are effectively the same, making crowning less accessible early in the game 04:56 of course, some people will then cheese it the other way for infinite spellbooks, but they're doing that anyway 04:56 it's not cheesing if it takes an hour to set up 04:56 yeah things uncheese themselves when they are too much hassle 04:56 [US] [D]: Athor (Mon Hum Fem Law), 162 points, 526 turns, killed by a giant mimic 04:56 don't 3.4.3 pudding farms take about that long until you reach the point where you can reasonably farm? 04:56 like polypiling is self-limiting 04:56 yup. if a player wants to grind for hours on end altar camping, that's their choice. it's not necessary to do it to win 04:57 considering it is possible to win a game in 90 minutes real time 04:57 the problem is more that I've discovered that for some combos, altar camping is actually pretty fast and lets you skip a lot of things that would be problems otherwise 04:57 having said that, i have a 'grinding' issue in evilhack that I am working on solving for next version heh 04:58 one game this tournament I was grinding for a magic lamp for AYEW and eventually gave up, but I ended up with 9 Nazgul rings and enough points to come #3 on the high score leaderboard 04:58 let it be, it is a valid strategy then 04:58 how many turns and hours did tht take? 04:58 [EU] [D]: Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 231 points, 233 turns, killed by a giant bat 04:59 Grasshopper: turns, around 60000, or twice as long as a typical ais523 ascension 04:59 there you go 04:59 the evilhack issue is that forged artifacts are so desireable, players will grind at altars to get the regular artifacts they need to forge them 04:59 hours, 14, again twice as long as a typical ais523 ascension 05:00 Hourly Stats at 2024-11-29 05:00 UTC: Games: 16, Asc: 0, Scum: 0. 36299 turns, 49533 points. (44%Mon), 1d 18:59 remaining. 05:00 K2: this is an issue in vanilla too, although not in quite the same way – an endgame-quality artifact is able to destroy the early game's difficulty, and some players will altar camp for one 05:00 <@cpittman> Hey, now, I take 60k turns to ascend because I like to see every square 05:00 @cpittman i'm with ya, i like to explore 05:00 meanwhile, some artifacts are only marginally better than regular weapons of the same base type, those dilute the pool but diluting the pool is not a good way to balance it 05:01 yay, exploration 05:01 I'm lucky to have a game <50K, but I'm OCD 05:01 @cpittman: I explored every square of Gehennom in that game, and quite a lot of squares in the Dungeons and Mines, including the solid rock ones 05:01 ais523: i have some ideas to address it, but havent settled on a solution yet 05:01 <@cpittman> But I've also only ascended the easy classes: valk, sam, barb, monk, knight 05:02 whatever change i make will change the balance of the game, so i need to be careful 05:02 <@cpittman> I think one rogue made it through the quest 05:02 cant do it lightly 05:02 K2: so for vanilla I am considering a) limiting the artifact gift you get by the value of the sacrifice, and b) making the weaker artifact gifts actually useful, probably by giving them with enchantments above +0 05:02 [US] naf (Val Dwa Fem Law) averted death (killed by a touch of death), on T:69934 05:02 a +2 or +3 Trollsbane would be a fine early-game weapon 05:02 but not ascension kit material 05:03 late game rogue is so fun, cpittman 05:03 oh god just get rid of it already 05:03 <@cpittman> Can we get auto-explore in vanilla? 05:03 but no, I want to eat it later in my game 05:03 [US] eitbo (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased bag of holding", on T:72482 05:03 YUM YUM 05:03 @cpittman: hmm, interesting 05:03 I'm not sure how much demand there is for that 05:04 the NH4 implementation explores noticeably less efficiently than a human, that might be a reason not to 05:04 i wonder how different autoexplore is in unnethack vs nh4 05:04 does 3.6 still have backstab? 05:04 <@cpittman> Probably not, but it's one of the things I loved when I first tried unnethack. 05:04 i'd confer with bhaak 05:04 anselmus yes 05:04 K2: it's basically the same except that, in its early versions, it autoexplored into lava sometimes 05:05 ooof 05:05 <@cpittman> oof 05:05 the NH4 version was doing that too but it got stopped by a paranoid check that NH4 had and Un didn't 05:05 ooof^2 05:05 I think the Un version got fixed but I'm not sure how 05:05 [US] [D]: naf (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1569299 points, 69936 turns, killed by a touch of death 05:06 <@cpittman> I can't remember which version, but one of them I'd occasionally get stuck in a travel-loop and wasted several turns before I noticed 05:06 $lastgame naf 05:06 cathartes: [US] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/n/naf/tnnt/dumplog/1732072150.tnnt.html 05:06 there are still travel loops in vanilla, I think – I'm not sure about NH4, where the travel code was rewritten 05:06 [US] crunchbubba (Ran Gno Fem Neu) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:28190 05:07 but the ones in vanilla are so specific to reproduce that it's hard to debug 05:07 autoexplore is implemented by travelling to the square with closest travel distance, or to various "interesting" squares (which includes unvisited item piles, and I'm not sure whether that's something that vanilla tracks) 05:07 <@cpittman> One of the other things I liked about nh4 was the layout with inventory permanently on the right, so bigger terminal screen could be more useful. Really happy to see it's in vanilla 05:07 and then repeating until something interesting happens 05:08 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 05:08 @cpittman: NH4 inspired the vanilla curses interface I think, although the layout feature you're talking about is actually in the original NitroHack too 05:09 and the devteam have experimented with implemeting it in tty but that code isn't really working yet 05:09 [US] eitbo (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed +3 helm of brilliance", on T:72700 05:09 it's existed in some of the tiles ports for ages 05:11 [US] carr0t (Kni Hum Fem Law) genocided class P, on T:73496 05:12 I want to try to get NH4-style brandings into vanilla (e.g. brown highlights on peaceful monsters) but that is a huge fight to fight 05:12 basically anything that affects every windowport is a mess because it is so hard to ensure that you don't break any of them or give any of them a gameplay advantage over the others 05:12 several variants underline peacefuls, as an option the player can toggle on/off 05:12 yes, underlining is another good option if you don't have color 05:13 it wouldn't work for NH4 which uses underlines to distinguish between monsters if there are more than 16 in the monster class (or sometimes even if there are fewer, if it would make more sense than colors) 05:13 e.g. adult dragons are underlined, baby dragons are non-underlined 05:14 also it's more like 14 than 16 because some colors don't work reliably 05:14 <@cpittman> I remember learning during junethack that one of you psychos plays regular tty with NO COLORS. 05:14 hahah 05:14 <@cpittman> I think it was ais523 or anselmus. Definitely an a-name 05:14 $time 05:14 K2: 2024-11-29 05:14:46 UTC. 2024 Tournament closes in 1d 18:45:13 05:14 ugh 05:14 pretty sure that's anselmus 05:14 yes, there's at least one devteam member who not only plays with color off, they oppose changes that would give an advantage to color terminals 05:14 i dont think i can pull off another asc 05:15 tomorrow is a travel day 05:15 [US] [D]: Athor (Mon Hum Fem Law), 1471 points, 2397 turns, killed by a fire ant 05:15 [US] allanb (Ran Orc Fem Cha) killed Croesus, on T:50604 05:15 (not me – I termcasted with color off once as a joke but I was stripping out the colors for the termcast, I had them on my own screen) 05:15 [US] carr0t (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased saddle", on T:73519 05:15 * anselmus feels like psycho is a loaded term 05:15 didn't they fix the remote-detected potion color thing in 3.7? 05:15 but! there are some players who play without a visible terminal at all, usually because they're blind and physically unable to see the screen 05:16 cathartes: sort-of, the fix works in tty but it's a bit fragile 05:16 [EU] [D]: Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 164 points, 370 turns, killed by a boiling potion 05:16 <@cpittman> Uh-oh. I got spotted 05:16 or, well, it works for potions but breaks for some other item classes, like tools 05:16 you don't need colors to be great at nethack *cough* 05:16 color means less farlooking 05:17 <@cpittman> I get the argument that color shouldn't give an advantage, just because of things like blind players (but I have no idea how they play the game) 05:17 really, one of the more annoying micro-decisions in NetHack is whether you assume a monster is peaceful/hostile due to how it's moving or whether you farlook it to make sure 05:18 @cpittman: we've added options that give more detailed messages (that mostly duplicate what's shown on screen), and farlook works with the screen reader to let you get a reminder of what's nearby 05:18 unix terms originally didn't have color mirite 05:18 <@cpittman> They didn't have screens either 05:18 well, the oldest unix terminals were actual lineprinters 05:19 <@cpittman> Is there any video (or audio) of how blind people play the game? 05:19 not as far as I know 05:19 i'm playing a fortepiano instead of a grand 05:19 tube amp intead of solid state 05:20 vinyl instead of cd 05:20 [US] [D]: SludgeGunkman (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 808 points, 1587 turns, killed by a black pudding 05:21 [US] oh6 (Arc Dwa Mal Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:60168 05:22 hmm, this may be why I don't like to go invisible – it makes it easier to figure out whether monsters are peaceful or not without farlooking (and in general makes their AI easier to manipulate) 05:24 in 3.7 I get annoyed when a magic trap makes me permanently invisible and I don't want to be 05:24 <@cpittman> I don't think there's anything wrong with farlook. Picture there's a creature 20ft away. You should be able to look at them and tell if they want to attack (as long as they're aware of you being there) 05:24 really, magic traps have always been the most trollish of trap type 05:24 * types 05:24 @cpittman: oh, it's fine that the feature exists – it's just a case of "should you tell your character to look at them or should you be able to look at them yourself on the screen" 05:25 UI niceties, not gameplay balance 05:25 [US] eitquincy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) found kitten, on T:951 05:25 <@cpittman> Ah. That might be hard to answer without taking facing into account. 05:26 NetHack assumes that turning round is a free action 05:26 fortunately 3.7 lets you sit on the magic trap until you stop being invisible (or the trap disappears) 05:26 [US] charlie14690 (Cav Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed spellbook of identify", on T:23867 05:26 [US] [D]: SludgeGunkman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 271 points, 807 turns, killed by a black pudding 05:26 I have made plans for a roguelke with facing, but not NetHack, a different roguelike 05:26 of course, ais, permahallu resolves your microdecision by removing the possibility 05:26 cathartes: my charactesr might not necessarily survive that 05:26 tinklebear: I want to learn to get better at some of the conducts 05:27 :D 05:27 I think I might have been the first person to implement permahallu 05:28 but I didn't try more than a few turns to check it was working 05:28 maybe cursed potion of invisibility should remove permanent invisibility 05:28 and wizmode interactions with Grayswandir 05:28 hah, ais 05:28 :D 05:28 but the temporary intrinsic duration is kind of weird in 3.7 05:28 NH4's permablind/permahallu work slightly differently from 3.7's, they override the artifacts rather than the other way round 05:28 [EU] Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu) found kitten, on T:1688 05:29 [US] [A]: oh6 (Arc Dwa Mal Cha), 1822987 points, 60248 turns, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/o/oh6/tnnt/dumplog/1732404168.tnnt.html 05:29 [US] [D]: eitquincy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 297 points, 1271 turns, killed by a bat, while unconscious from rotten food 05:29 congrats oh6 \o/ 05:30 [US] [D]: SludgeGunkman (Pri Hum Mal Law), 110 points, 450 turns, killed by a black pudding 05:30 "override the artifacts" <-- so you can wield grayswandir in NH4 without losing hallu conduct? 05:31 [US] epiksalad (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a baby long worm, on T:5759 05:31 * tinklebear actually found grayswandir once on the floor in an nh4 game, but decided not to wield it 05:31 tinklebear: right, and it doesn't suppress hallucination either if you turn permahallu on 05:31 oh wow. cool! 05:31 don't try that in vanilla, it does break conduct there 05:32 right 05:34 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 05:39 [EU] [D]: Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 1252 points, 2970 turns, killed by an Uruk-hai 05:39 [US] squishy (Bar Hum Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:72479 05:39 [US] squishy (Bar Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:72485 05:41 gg oh6 05:42 [US] squishy (Bar Hum Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:72700 05:42 [US] stagnate (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:17893 05:44 [US] squishy (Bar Hum Fem Cha) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:72817 05:45 [US] squishy (Bar Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:72820 05:45 [EU] [D]: Furey (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 198 points, 1101 turns, killed by a hobbit (and one other game not reported) 05:45 [US] [D]: k2 (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 2233 points, 1696 turns, killed by a boulder (and 4 other games not reported) 05:46 boooo 05:48 -!- stagnate has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:48 oh hey, found 'charm monster' spellbook super early 05:48 [US] [D]: klipto (Sam Hum Mal Law), 14966 points, 9757 turns, killed by a giant zombie, while praying 05:48 i might break petless conduct for a change 05:49 [US] [D]: SludgeGunkman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 324 points, 1314 turns, killed by a little dog, while frozen by a monster's gaze 05:51 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #tnnt 05:52 [US] Masami (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:14010 05:52 [US] Masami (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "magic marker", on T:14012 05:53 -!- raisse has joined #tnnt 05:53 I'm quite late to this, but dying to a monster with a random wand of death early in the game is lame and not something that is reasonable to avoid for many characters 05:54 [US] squishy (Bar Hum Fem Cha) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:73438 05:54 I despise the notion that preventing such a thing from happening would be a change in difficulty, because random instadeaths categorically are not difficult to avoid/play around 05:55 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 05:56 [US] [D]: jackbunny (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 509 points, 3353 turns, killed by a kitten 05:57 trying to defend it as avoidable through skill by use of an anecdote in which you had good AC is especially laughable. not only was such a character lucky enough to have a good AC value by getting good armor and/or a lot of enchants, this character was also lucky enough to *not* get hit by the wand of death, obviously 05:58 end of extremely tardy rant :P 05:58 it was skill. I asserted dominance 05:58 death ray went 'wut?' and went around 05:59 I mean it is badass I can't deny that :) 05:59 heh 05:59 [US] squishy (Bar Hum Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:74250 05:59 [US] [D]: SludgeGunkman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 456 points, 1017 turns, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted sewer rat 05:59 to be fair to both sides I think ais often proposes weirdly roundabout ways to solve problems 06:00 Current Day as of 2024-11-29 06:00 UTC: Games: 113, Asc: 4, Scum: 8. 443082 turns, 8447057 points. 5d 22:01 gametime. (46%Wiz), (58%Hum), (39%Neu), (52%Mal), 1d 17:59 remaining. 06:00 like, just make wands of death not able to spawn as early as they currently can, no need to mess about with guaranteed misses and stuff 06:01 would this keep *you* from getting them early too, Loggers? 06:01 (sort of rhetorical, I guess. clearly it would) 06:01 I think that would make sense, right? if you take it from monsters might as well take it from the player 06:01 how about requiring an action to equip it before zapping 06:02 well, I mean. that's we get our gear. from the monsters. 06:02 I've suggested that before and I actually thought it was genius but no one listened to me 06:02 * tinklebear doesn't like it 06:02 sorry 06:02 tinklebear: well, you could make it generate early on floor and stuff but keep it out of monster inventory I think 06:03 errmahgerd 06:03 stop :P 06:03 wand wielding is the way of the future, old man... 06:03 don't have to stop, speak your mind. but that just sounds awful 06:03 to me 06:03 btw according to NetSysFire very few of the cdda devs actually play the game 06:04 who what 06:04 they just like to come up with big ideas 06:04 tinklebear if you end a comment with :P its akin to /s 06:04 <@cpittman> If a soldier can smack me with a cockatrice corpse, monsters should have wands of death. 🙂 06:04 just makes use of wand more strategic for you and more preventable when a monster does it 06:04 [EU] [D]: Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 111 points, 238 turns, killed by an electric shock 06:04 what are you even talking about? 06:04 i mean i dont see cdda in the backlog immediately 06:04 NetSysFire: you said you asked around the chan 06:04 cockatrice corpses aren't the same. if a monster kills you with a cockatrice corpse it's always your fault 06:04 <@cpittman> It's only my fault the 2nd time 06:05 no, when i die i like to blame other people, like loggers 06:05 heh ain't that the truth 06:05 lol k2 06:05 [US] squishy (Bar Hum Fem Cha) averted death (killed by an air elemental), on T:74375 06:05 :P 06:05 * NetSysFire read the backlog, doesnt get why cdda was brought up, vanishes 06:06 I don't dislike monsters having instakill capabilities. I dislike it when they can instakill me without a chance for skillful play on my part for avoidance 06:06 * tinklebear continues to be inept at sarcasm 06:06 aw 06:06 I think I'm actually more in favor of instakill monsters than most people... 06:06 I though all those vorpal monsters on pat's list would be cool added to vanilla :P 06:06 *thought 06:07 if the player can instakill monsters, they should have an opportunity to do the same to the player 06:07 NetSysFire: thank you for reacting in a totally nonawkward way 06:07 its 7 am, i am still awake 06:07 NetSysFire: cdda 06:07 K2: sure, but there's different priorities for players and monsters. players are expected to be able to avoid death reasonably 06:07 K2: yes 06:08 <@cpittman> wands of death might be the only time I felt cheated when dying. What if a monster using it gave some auditory clue? 06:08 monsters are literally there to die 06:08 the yendorian monsters union would like a word 06:08 [US] [D]: SludgeGunkman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 786 points, 913 turns, killed by a dwarf 06:09 also, I somehow left it out of my earlier message, but shimmering dragons were also on pat's list, the idea is that they have a unique 'tractor beam' breath attack that pulls you toward them most of the time and knocks you back sometimes 06:09 the clue is "It has hands. It is sentient, hostile, and wants to kill you." 06:09 better kill it first. 06:09 ^ response to cpittman 06:10 yeah thanks I'll be sure to kill every soldier in the castle in one move next time in a way where none of them ever get a chance to line up for a wand firing :P 06:10 yeah, you better. wtf 06:10 actually the castle is easy since you can drawbridge 06:10 seriously, you want to nerf the soldiers? 06:10 bad example 06:10 yeah 06:10 :P 06:11 but like, monsters can spawn on top of you and instakill you 06:11 [US] [D]: SludgeGunkman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 22 points, 445 turns, killed by a newt 06:11 in evil hack on a few different occasions I've had Uruk-hai packs spawn on me and proceeded to get installed in one turn by poison arrows 06:11 spawning is a weird thing. somewhat a separate issue 06:12 maybe? 06:12 I agree it is sometimes rather awkward and, like, "oh you can't be serious" 06:12 Loggers_VIII: one word: locusts 06:12 in a similar vein, monsters in the dark from offscreen can have a wand and kill you 06:12 or a monster can zap create monster and summon a pack of soldiers and wow sucks to suck get death zapped 06:13 well, that's what makes being able to see in the dark cool! 06:13 netsysfire: I have to admit I never have had issues with locusts 06:13 [US] squishy (Bar Hum Fem Cha) killed Famine, on T:74522 06:13 locusts are evil 06:13 like, yeah, the dark is supposed to be scary 06:13 and if it didn't hold threats, then it wouldn't be scary 06:13 this does not make the dark scary. this makes me sometimes lose without a chance of counterplay 06:14 so you do what you can, to reduce risk 06:14 which results in the best strategy being to ignore the dark. runs counter to being scary 06:14 locusts are just misunderstood and want to be friends 06:14 -!- a-1 has joined #tnnt 06:15 your choice to enter the dark mines, no? 06:15 [US] cpittman (Bar Orc Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:4851 06:15 [US] [D]: Smiles (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 1553 points, 3823 turns, killed by a magic missile 06:15 [US] squishy (Bar Hum Fem Cha) killed Pestilence, on T:74569 06:15 you can wait until you have means to ameliorate that 06:15 yeah but that's bullshit and boring 06:15 or not. your choice 06:15 I agree it's a little boring. I like the risk! 06:15 the optimal strategy is to farm on level 1. does this mean I should do it and then if I get instakilled I shouldn't be annoyed? no 06:16 yeah I don't farm on level 1 either 06:16 I'd starve! 06:16 lol I can do it with prayer but that's besides the point 06:16 just play dnethack where you can contract a madness where dark spaces are either vital or dangerous 06:16 some of you have this misconception that nethack (or any game for that matter) has to be fair and/or easy 06:16 hah 06:17 again, such a mechanic does not make the game more difficult 06:17 'fair' is a human construct, doesnt exist elsewhere 06:17 :D 06:17 you are under a misconception that more ways in which to die = difficulty 06:17 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Pri Hum Fem Law), 4726 points, 3648 turns, killed by a gnome lord 06:17 <@spazm9000> i certainly wasnt happy when my 6 streak ended because a k with a wand of fire one shot me on dlvl 3, but that is nethack 06:18 there is no difficulty involved in being one shot by a kobold on level 3 06:18 your run is just over, and you start another 06:18 thats just the entropy of the vast void that is space fucking you over 06:18 um yeah there is. there was a kobold on dlvl 3 with a wand of death 06:18 K2: would you like to know what else is human construct? VIDEO GAMES 06:18 that's hard 06:18 [US] cpittman (Bar Orc Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:5238 06:18 fire rather 06:19 kobolds are also a human construct 06:19 (k on lvl 3 with death is also a great opportunity to get an awesome wand really early) 06:19 where was the difficulty in that scenario? there's no struggle or meaningful gameplay associated with it to give the experience challenge 06:19 k are sooo slow, Loggers 06:19 <@spazm9000> i really have been meaning to ask someone with a long streak how they avoid early wand death because it happens to me a lot i feel like 06:19 and they could miss 06:20 "they could miss" isn't a valid retort for reasons outlined earlier :p 06:20 <@spazm9000> k is slow but i didnt even get a turn, i opened a door and i was dead 06:20 tinklebear: and sometimes they get a move, and you die 06:20 sometimes I wonder if people consider where they are standing, when they open doors 06:21 ...and whether people consider *which* door they should open 06:21 <@spazm9000> i mean the k could have been diagonal too 06:21 tinklebear: please, enlighten me as to your methods of knowing which door has a kobold with an instadeath wand behind it 06:22 [EU] [D]: Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 1565 points, 1782 turns, killed by an Uruk-hai 06:22 they all do, Loggers 06:22 so behave accordingly 06:22 hehehe it certainly seems that way sometimes, doesn't it? 06:22 :D 06:22 there is no spoon 06:23 <@spazm9000> clearly there is some way to avoid it though or people couldnt have 60 game streaks 06:23 I think there must be some secret sauce to avoiding wand deaths. I don't think tariru just went 61 games without a kobold or goblin picking up a wand early 06:23 rooms have multiple doors. sometimes one is more advantageous for you than others 06:23 some doors give you more than one square to stand on, while you are opening them 06:23 K2: you removed it from the convict patch! 06:23 tariru played super cautious 06:23 yeah and sometimes they don't and you get one shot by a kobold 06:24 risk is fun 06:24 [US] [D]: a1 (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 232 points, 757 turns, killed by a goblin 06:24 and you don't always get to press "win game" button 06:24 or "buff me up daddy" 06:24 or whatever 06:24 the game has plenty hard enough ACTUAL DIFFICULTY to make winning hard 06:24 hehe 06:24 it doesn't need to resort to cheap tricks 06:25 this is why I dislike these deaths so much. I don't want to worry about all this bullshit getting in the way of me being able to play the video game and get my ass kicked because I was stupid 06:25 sometimes you would like to make a fire in a downpour 06:26 I like getting my ass kicked because I was stupid. I don't like being prohibited from this experience on a diceroll 06:27 [US] [A]: squishy (Bar Hum Fem Cha), 3404154 points, 74719 turns, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/s/squishy/tnnt/dumplog/1732422477.tnnt.html 06:27 <@spazm9000> gg squishy 06:28 you know what I like about evilhack? I like fighting difficult monsters with intelligent strategies and winning through my own individual skill. Having random functionally unavoidable deaths interspersed throughout the early game does nothing but kill pacing and prevent me from playing the parts I actually enjoy, which is the entire rest of the 06:28 game 06:28 grats squishy 06:28 "I like getting my ass kicked because I was stupid" <-- this is great, and it supposes that you have some means of TELLING when you have been stupid 06:29 yes, correct 06:29 how to know when you're wrong is a tough problem! 06:30 none of the deaths we've discussed have been a result of stupidity. at best they are as a result of refusing to adhere to tedious optimal play in the name of an enjoyable gameplay experience 06:30 none? 06:30 not one? 06:30 gimme one 06:30 are you really really sure? 06:30 I'm so sure 06:30 how could you know? 06:30 give me an example 06:30 I mean, you want to dissect ttyrecs or something? 06:31 not particularly. but I'd like an example of a death we've discussed that was as a result of stupidity 06:31 "stupidity" is a strong, absolute-sounding word 06:31 ttyrecs are really not necessary for any of these since they're not particularly complicated 06:32 <@spazm9000> well in my case if i opened the door diagonally, then waited for the k to step into the door i probably would have had a least a chance to kill him before the insta killed me 06:32 <@spazm9000> but i didnt know he was there so i would have to do that to every door 06:32 so, mixed strategies, mixed results. very realistic 06:33 right, and therein lies the issue - playing optimally (as if every soldier has a wand of death, or behind every door lies a kobold) is not interesting 06:33 oh, but it is 06:33 try it 06:33 you might need to slow your roll a little 06:33 [US] [D]: epiksalad (Val Dwa Fem Law), 10750 points, 9272 turns, killed by a Grey-elf, while praying 06:33 though :P 06:34 gnite all 06:34 hehe you should know I play so fast and loose because I find the opposite play style to be immensely boring 06:34 good night, K2 06:34 night 06:35 I confess I'm not sure what people mean by "optimal" sometimes 06:35 like, I want to have fun. "optimal" for me would take that into account 06:35 <@cpittman> That's because the word doesn't have meaning without context. 06:36 so "optimal play" for me includes a lot of variation... it isn't a constant routine 06:36 <@cpittman> The answer changes based on what's being optimized for 06:36 sensible! 06:36 in this context, I mean "optimal play" as "play that minimizes to the greatest extent the chance of failure" 06:37 oh... do you really want THAT? 06:37 no, that's my whole point 06:37 -!- a-1 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:37 course not 06:37 such play shouldn't be necessary to avoid death 06:37 -!- a-1 has joined #tnnt 06:37 this is ignoring that sometimes even if you play perfectly you can lose 06:37 wait, what? 06:38 the potential for death is... part of the game? 06:38 is it not? 06:38 tinklebear: do you have a ttyrec to suggest for me to watch you avoiding lining up? 06:38 you could watch one of my evilhack MRless ascensions, ais 06:39 I think there was at least one that went without reflection 06:39 this is mostly being applied to deaths that are functionally unavoidable for most players. if you die to a wand of death, that COULD have been prevented by farming on level one for magic resistance. that doesn't mean that everyone who doesn't farm on level one should have to accept death as an unavoidable possibility 06:39 hmm, you could call that "unicorn conduct" 06:39 [US] [D]: wormy (Val Dwa Fem Law), 3631 points, 6270 turns, killed by a vampire bat 06:41 the broader concept here is that optimal play shouldn't be tedious 06:41 the optimal play to me is a class with a range attack to eliminate threats asap 06:41 but netback is really beyond saving in that regard 06:42 nethack 06:42 -!- a-1 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:43 -!- a-1 has joined #tnnt 06:44 on my 10 streak i think i just got really lucky and learned nothing from it 06:45 [US] Narc (Bar Hum Mal Cha) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Set, on T:5338 06:45 [US] [D]: wormy (Arc Gno Mal Neu), 466 points, 363 turns, killed by a gnome mummy (and one other game not reported) 06:45 for a second there I had forgotten that you're actually really really good at netback anselmus :p 06:45 nehtack 06:45 nethack 06:45 holy fuck 06:46 10 streak is way out of the realm of possibility for me 06:46 my point was that that's exactly why i still don't have another 10 streak :p 06:46 but netback is really beyond saving in that regard ← I'm still trying to save it, perhaps over-optimistically 06:47 ais, I'll look for some ttyrecs next month, maybe I can find a good one. I have low patience for watching them, however. 06:47 [US] [D]: wormy (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 273 points, 474 turns, killed by a wererat 06:47 anselmus: don't tell anyone but I think my past 3 speed runs were all luck and I'm procrastinating trying another in case I'm right :P 06:48 better bet might be just to do a run with that purpose in mind. current tnnt run might fit that bill 06:48 to be fair to both sides I think ais often proposes weirdly roundabout ways to solve problems like, just make wands of death not able to spawn as early as they currently can, no need to mess about with guaranteed misses and stuff ← I think this reasoning is wrong – if you delay spawning them until after the player can reasonably have MR/reflection, this is effectively depth-resistance which I don't think works as a balance 06:48 mechanism for games that aren't designed around grinding 06:49 [US] jackbunny (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:5375 06:49 Loggers_VIII: i think you've proved enough already 06:49 like, if you're basically saying "get MR or reflection by dlvl 14 or risk dying" (to pick an arbitrary point), then either players don't do that and the game's still unfair, or they do do that and now monster wands of death are mostly pointless, just a minigame to reach the monster before the wand runs out of charges (and 3.7 doesn't have that minigame because the monster won't spam a wand it's seen you resist) 06:50 in Junethack 2023 I played lots of different versions of NetHack in quick succession, it taught me that what is most interesting is if the game creates problems that you don't have easy perma-solutions to but also gives you the tools to solve them as a one-off 06:50 yknow you could probably solve that by just making the soko prize a choice 06:50 which is not really surprising 06:50 wtf i should be in hiding right now after my disgraceful performance 06:50 [US] [D]: SludgeGunkman (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 490 points, 1386 turns, killed by a gecko, while fainted from lack of food 06:50 i literally have no right to be here 06:51 Loggers_VIII: I don't think that's a solution either 06:51 don't worry we weren't formed as a competitive clan anyway 06:51 I guess I'll put it this way: if the player has MR or reflection then wands of death are not interesting in monster hands 06:51 if they have neither, then wands of death are a little too "interesting" in monster hands 06:51 wands of death are lowkey lame 06:52 like in the player's hands all they do is trivialize Rodney and in the monster's hands they just instakill you or don't do anything 06:52 if you want to fix the situation, clearly you want to work from the latter starting point than the former, which means that sometimes an early monster gets a wand of death and you want to make that an interesting problem rather than an instadeath 06:52 I would say remove wands of death but I think I would be stoned to death 06:52 that's why I'm coming to think that the game should do something to let you know the wand exists, before it's meaningfully zapped at you, so you can try to play around it 06:52 * anselmus logs into hdf crying 06:53 like why balance this obviously stupid mechanic 06:53 i've denied my master loggers 06:53 wands of death are interesting on low-resource characters, when you have to carefully meter out the charges 06:53 "like in the player's hands all they do is trivialize Rodney and in the monster's hands they just instakill you or don't do anything" <-- play-by-wiki-recommend would indeed lead you to this conclusion 06:53 lmao there's still time for an ascension or two anselmus 06:53 <@cpittman> I didn't join in time to have a clan. But I do have 154 achievements. And tinklebear's ghost killed one of my characters 06:53 more like play by loggers the best player of all time recommend :p 06:53 so maybe the wiki groupthink is kind of boring. wands of death, however, are not boring 06:54 I think sometimes I use them to kill the quest leader also 06:54 I don't think I would be sad at all if they were deleted forever 06:54 I apologise if I'm being mean to the wiki 06:54 just trying to be clear on a point 06:54 Loggers_VIII: did you see what happened to DCSS? they went on a spree of deleting mechanics like that, until eventually they ended up with no game 06:54 I mean could you at least provide examples of interesting things to do with wands of death that aren't on the wiki 06:55 if I see a mechanic that doesn't work, I want to try to make it work rather than just abandon it 06:55 ais523: oh my god don't even get me started on DCSS LMAO 06:55 Loggers_VIII: if you remove wands of death its gonna rain basilisks from evilhack which will stone you to death 06:55 kill monsters before they kill you, loggers 06:55 with wands of death 06:55 I think one time I killed a giant centipede with a wand of death 06:55 sweet! 06:55 the thing about wands of death is that basically all nonmagical attacks require you to be lined up 06:56 even the ranged ones 06:56 [US] [D]: Narc (Bar Hum Mal Cha), 6470 points, 5565 turns, killed by a bugbear, while frozen by a monster's gaze 06:56 but that was probably a last-ditch thing, no? 06:56 but usually there's never a situation where a wand of death could save me that I don't have another option to save me 06:56 yeah 06:56 Loggers_VIII: it can happen early-game, but it's unlikely to have a wand of death that early 06:56 I have killed shopkeepers with them like twice when I got one early 06:57 never fired death into the castle across the moat or anything like that? 06:57 I dunno. removing them I should acknowledge is probably a bad idea and one of my more radical ones 06:57 tinklebear: pfft my sorry ass needs all the charges I can get for Rodney you kidding me? 06:57 any wand at low level in monster hands is super dangerous 06:57 wand of fire can be equally dangerous as a wand of death with a direct hit when you are xl 1 or something 06:58 3.7 has taken steps towards addressing that 06:58 more so if you are a wiz, and started with a CoMR 06:58 in a few different directions, actually 06:58 <@cpittman> Might be interesting to have something death-adjacent, like the Blight spell. insta-kills lichens and trees, and removes 1 square of water 06:58 wands of death stay in the bag until a boss monster without MR shows its face 06:58 or death res 06:59 since rodney has mr in evil, you are free to use some death on other monsters, right Loggers? 06:59 Loggers_VIII: one big problem with NetHack balance is that a) players hoard items for the endgame rather than using them to improve their early survival chances, making the early game too difficult and the endgame too easy, and b) they may well actually be right to do so 06:59 I mean I guess, but like 06:59 why 06:59 why not? 07:00 Hourly Stats at 2024-11-29 07:00 UTC: Games: 16, Asc: 1, Scum: 0. 1d 00:15 gametime. (25%Wiz), 1d 16:59 remaining. 07:00 also you don't actually save charges cause it takes the same amount of zaps to kill him as to test if he has MR :P 07:00 everyone of you must look at this team f i met again today https://0x0.st/XRLs.jpeg 07:00 don't test. just go straight to plan B from the get-go 07:00 team f is riding a saddled human 07:00 [EU] dedal (Rog Hum Mal Neu) genocided master mind flayer, on T:101029 07:00 [EU] dedal (Rog Hum Mal Neu) genocided green slime, on T:101030 07:00 <@cpittman> That is a quality cat right there. 07:01 tinklebear: well the way I see it, if I go to plan A and then plan B it's 75% less Rodney nonsense which is a win 07:01 it's one plan. sure 07:01 Rodney is a real piece of work in evil 07:01 [US] a1 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) destroyed Narc's ghost, the former Bandit, on T:1932 07:01 @cpittman can you imagine they were abandoned in a forest? the guy who found them came back to play and cuddle with them. thats his back right there 07:01 Rodney can be tactically fun to melee, and strategically fun to work out when to death-zap in cases where you don't have enough charges to deal with all the respawns 07:02 also has a sister https://0x0.st/XRbM.jpeg 07:02 though sometimes I actually don't have a wand of death for Rodney in evil because orcus doesn't have a guaranteed one 07:02 I don't really mind melee'ing him that much, he's hard and I like hard monsters 07:02 oh wow. no wand of death in evil? you're pretty crazy, Loggers 07:02 hmm, how much recharging of wands of death do people normally do in vanilla 07:02 you should always swap doors 07:03 er, sorry, replied to something much older 07:03 I tend to charge each wand 1-2 times especially with rodney on my tail 07:03 Monty Hall problem? 07:03 like, how fast must you play not to get at least a couple wands of death from NPCs? 07:03 yes, people were talking about kobolds behind doors 07:04 well the way I see it, the only things I really really want a wand of death for is Rodney and the riders, and in evil I'm normally pretty op in melee and have sickness resistance so pestilence isn't an issue 07:04 wands of death from NPCs tend to be empty 07:04 lol if a monster gets one zap from a wand of death I don't usually let them live more than a turn or so 07:04 ah, melee. did you see anselmus's ranged attack comment earlier? 07:04 tinklebear: I play pretty fast idk 07:04 heh! 07:04 evil is less fast than vanilla cause it's hard 07:05 raisse: I've started swapping doors on titan medusa, after killing the titan 07:05 what did anselmus say about ranged attacks? 07:05 get all the eels to crowd around the top-left door, then escape through the bottom-right 07:05 oh that his optimal play is to have a ranged attack and line guys up? 07:05 yeah, that's the one 07:06 [US] squishy (Mon Hum Mal Neu) destroyed SludgeGunkman's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:2960 07:06 ais523: regarding monster wand balance, part of the danger that makes them so dangerous in the hands of early-game monsters is that monsters can move and zap in the same turn; the hero can't do this. 07:06 I don't know how to feel about ranged characters. I think I suck at them but I also think they're very strong 07:06 -!- a-1 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:06 so even when you try to be not lined-up, a monster can move into line and then zap you 07:06 -!- a-1 has joined #tnnt 07:07 this is true, cathartes 07:07 yes, that's actually the only reason they're dangerous imo 07:07 gnome did that to me when I was wearing boots of speed 07:07 it was still faster than me 07:07 not that I especially have a dog in this race but you might also be overestimating just how many wands of death generate in an average playthrough before wishes and such 07:07 -!- Kontroller has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:07 "It is about time!" The djinni vanishes. 07:07 if you want to nerf something, nerf monsters getting free moves 07:07 yes time for me to quit hehe 07:08 I think that monsters probably have that on purpose specifically to prevent the player from just staying off line and never getting shot by wands 07:08 lol, anselmus 07:08 so I didn't bring it up earlier 07:08 I don't know how to feel about ranged characters. I think I suck at them but I also think they're very strong ← IMO ranger has "monk syndrome" but to a lesser extent – it is very good in the very early game but drops off a bit a little later, and if you are unlucky you have to change build a couple of times 07:08 Loggers_VIII, you may be right 07:08 cathartes: where a corridor turns a corner, though, that can be a one-way murder hole (in your favor) 07:08 [EU] dedal (Rog Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fireproof +3 gauntlets of dexterity", on T:101472 07:08 (just for example) 07:09 ais523: I'd agree, early game ranger is crazy strong 07:09 tinklebear: yes, I do that too to minimize wand zaps received when I am fighting a horde of monsters – but they will still get some off 07:09 I think this may be why ranger gets intrinsic searching early – it helps you find the arrow traps 07:09 (gnome ranger is is own, mostly incomprehensible, thing) 07:09 they are rangers... tracking is what they do 07:10 OK, it could be that the stats are designed entirely for flavour reasons and just happened to make gameplay sense 07:10 gnome ranger is there so players have a reason to use crossbows 07:10 I hope that the devteam is more intelligent than that, but I wasn't actually there at the time, so it's hard to tell 07:10 honestly I almost never die to wands partly because my play style actively compensates for the possibility that monsters have them but that just makes it MORE annoying when I get some bs death to them :p 07:10 lol 07:10 I tried a crossbow Monk once if you remember cathartes 07:11 wasn't especially bad, the lack of a reflection source or even a wish soured things way more 07:11 weapon and armor balance in NetHack is so weird 07:11 compared to that 07:11 yeah can war hammers not do 1d4 please? thanks 07:11 [US] jackbunny (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) destroyed Gandelf's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:8342 07:11 armor is actually balanced very well in the very early game, pre-mines 07:11 -!- a-1 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:11 crossbows are just bows for people that have no skill in bows 07:11 does the devteam know what a hammer is? 07:12 Loggers_VIII: it was almost certainly copied out of some D&D sourcebook 07:12 yeah it was idk why I'm blaming the devteam 07:12 every single weapon damage dice is straight from AD&D 07:12 i blame the devteam for a death of mine 07:12 in real life, crossbows are basically guns but with a stupidly bad rate of fire 07:12 blame them anyway because they could make it not do that :B 07:12 umbire: oh right :P 07:12 <@cpittman> Isn't a warhmmer just a regular hammer on a stick? 07:13 held a cockatrice corpse, flew though a hole with controlled flight, it petrified me because i "fell" 07:13 qt fixed that one immediately after i found it 07:13 japes aside there's definitely room to make crossbows better 07:13 and in nethack crossbows are more like machine guns? 07:13 @cpittman: I like to think of it like a sledgehammer but bigger 07:13 I think a war hammer is like a hammer, but for hitting people with 07:13 <@cpittman> @ais523, so like electricians see the BIG screwdriver? 07:14 you ever been hit in the head by someone swinging a hammer full force? no you haven't you'd be dead 07:14 @cpittman: now you are making me think of a giant novelty screwdriver that's bigger than a person 07:14 Loggers_VIII: so in D&D, typical nonmagical humans have d4 hitpoints 07:14 so even low-damage weapons can kill them easily 07:14 [AU] Cloudmillion (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) bribed Asmodeus with 149 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:27374 07:14 ah, okay 07:15 <@cpittman> Hammer? No. Brick? Yes. But we were kids and they're resiliant AF. 07:15 when I think "warhammer", I think about the hammer being used by one of the bad guy henchmen in the original "Conan the Barbarian" 07:15 housecats can kill people 07:15 kids are so dumb 07:15 adventurers are assumed to be hardier in some pseudo-supernatural way 07:15 he accidentally hit a pillar with it and knocked the temple down! 07:15 it was a whole Meme wrt old D&D 07:15 my grandma cut her thumb off because she was having a "water fight" which consisted of throwing glass water bottles at each other 07:16 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Pri Hum Fem Law), 1170 points, 1605 turns, killed by a giant spider (and one other game not reported) 07:16 so quaffing a single blessed potion of full healing would practically triple (or more) a regular person's ability to survive trauma 07:16 Umbire: https://nhqdb.alt.org/?4141 07:17 I think if I was in a fight with a cat to the death I would win 07:18 but I don't really think about killing cats with my bare hands often 07:18 -!- Arseniy has joined #tnnt 07:18 I called my last cat Rocky because she loved to fight 07:18 I had scars to prove it 07:18 <@cpittman> You'd have to be really quick to kill a cat. Based on the video I saw they go for genitals and buttholes. 07:18 ais523, that but different 07:18 's like 07:18 [US] [D]: SludgeGunkman (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1006 points, 1823 turns, killed by a killer bee 07:18 you just mentioned typical nonmagical humans have like d4 HP 07:19 the basic issue with D&D's housecats is that most of their stats are realistic but their damage output isn't, because all hitting attacks do at least 1 point of damage 07:19 and I think the standard kitten or housecat could do like 1d6 or whatever? 07:19 last time I checked it was d3-4 07:19 nomagical humans are dudes like us, typical peasants 07:19 but it may have been nerfed in response to the memes 07:20 [AU] Cloudmillion (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:27748 07:20 https://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/cat.htm 07:21 I'm not familiar with D&D in the slightest so it surprised me a bit to learn just how much of netback is D&D 07:21 nethack 07:21 stop correcting me to netback foul computer 07:21 netback 07:21 d2-4 for each claw, d3-4 for the bite 07:22 a cat could kill two people with a claw and a bite 07:22 that's Full Attack mind 07:22 I must have about 20HP then 07:22 I think a cat would have to scratch me a lot to inflict fatal damage but of course that's pedantic 07:22 which suggests a distinction of some kind even if I don't immediately know what 07:22 because my cat clawed and bit me and it wasn't that deadly 07:22 the basic issue with D&D's housecats is that most of their stats are realistic but their damage output isn't 07:23 1d2 damage tops 07:23 d2-4 is always 1 damage 07:23 it's either -3 or -2, but gets rounded up to 1 07:23 -!- Arseniy has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 07:23 * tinklebear doesn't want even 1 HP damage to his eyeball 07:23 oh I see how to read that now 07:23 thanks 07:24 oh it's minus 4 07:24 eyeah i thought it was a range silly me 07:24 why not make them deal d1 damage? 07:24 it is one of the weirdest die rolls I've seen in any role playing game sourcebook 07:24 I think it's generated by a formula 07:25 strange 07:26 but, like, it matters if you give the cat the D&D equivalent of a +4 ring of increase damage 07:26 [AU] Cloudmillion (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) bribed Baalzebub with 468 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:27941 07:27 that's too much thought to go into an attack for a cat :p 07:27 [US] [D]: SludgeGunkman (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 383 points, 1166 turns, killed by a hobbit, while frozen by a monster's gaze 07:27 Collar of increase damage 07:28 think I'd go for reflection first 07:28 <@Dictyostelium> Polymorph it, let it eat rings, polymorph back? 07:28 all those DAMN WANDS!! 07:28 lol 07:28 [AU] Cloudmillion (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) wished for "blessed spellbook of magic mapping", on T:27976 07:28 <@Dictyostelium> Or dont pets get intrinsics from that like a player? 07:28 they do in 3.7 07:28 well from corpses anyway 07:29 have no idea about rings etc 07:29 speaking of which, I plan to eat a few rings soon 07:30 this is a little left field but I was looking at the unique demon's stats and I have to wonder whether geryon is intended as like, a joke 07:31 maybe they underestimated how slow 3 speed was? 07:31 jubilee is the better joke boss anyway 07:31 juiblex 07:31 Loggers_VIII: have you ever seen the stats for lemures? 07:31 admittedly it is not quite as silly as a unique boss monster with 3 speed 07:31 they are like baby demons 07:31 yeah but the lore behind lemures is that they're like guys who really suck 07:32 it's true. that's exactly who they are 07:32 they have to endure a few centuries or more like that, until they evolve or whatever into something more serious 07:32 I learned that cause I was quipping about how weak they are and k2 told me the reasoning :P 07:33 because demons are just reborn (or respawn?) again and again anyway 07:33 the devil analogue is, like, larvae 07:33 like a NH player 07:33 Is Juiblex's 3 speed also a joke, or does his attack make up for the speed? 07:34 <@cpittman> I think demons killed on the Material plan get demoted, possibly all the way back to lemures 07:34 you start out like a pussy, but become like a tiger 07:34 rawwwwr 07:34 cathartes: it is something of a joke, it basically means that you can safely alternate between unihorning off the sickness and attacking 07:34 cathartes: I've always sort of seen him as a purposely incompetent boss. he's like a silly slime guy in a swamp in the middle of hell with all his pudding cronies 07:35 pretty sure lore-wise he also is supposed to be the weakest 07:35 I feel like it would work better if the sickness immediately refreshed as long as you were engulfed? 07:35 I made him escape this game 07:35 unleashed 07:35 it would still be a very easy boss fight 07:35 makes sense to me, you're still inside him 07:35 paxed made a thing where he would split like in xnethack but it never made it into 3.7 proper 07:36 nah he's dead and proper cunning, literally just incomprehensible to most of his peers 07:36 so he's overlooked 07:36 the return of pudding farming? :-D 07:36 grasshopper: I like to imagine him ransacking the countryside of innocent peasants and shit 07:36 maybe the split monsters not leaving death drops still applies (and Juiblex is corpseless anyway) 07:36 umbire: oh... he just like me!! he just like me fr!! 07:37 "The eldritch entity also knew the true names of each obyrith, coupled with an intuitive sense of their goals, and was one of the few beings that understood the true purpose of the Abyss.[4]" 07:37 Loggers_VIII, spreading diseases and plagues with every cough and sneeze 07:37 his actual overarching goals themselves are p. straightforward granted 07:37 why is that in past tense? is he dead? :( 07:37 which version did the wand of digging trick get fixed in? 07:37 3.7 07:37 3.7 07:38 ah, OK, that explains why it still works in TNNT 07:38 it's really fucked up that the juiblex express has been decommissioned btw 07:38 which wand of digging trick? 07:38 digging when you're engulfed sets the guy to 1 HP 07:38 in 3.7 it just halves their HP 07:38 oh right that 07:39 yeah , still pretty devastating to Jubes 07:39 Geryon should have a hug attack like a guardian naga or python because he's half snake 07:40 actually one thing that bothers me is how nonthreatening purple worms are in player vs. monster combat 07:40 I get engulfed, and then basically nothing happens 07:40 more serious in Evilhack 07:40 purple worms used to scare the shit out of me for some reason but they're just a non issue 07:40 I think I take some amount of damage? and there is technically a delayed instadeath that I don't think I've ever seen reach even its second message 07:40 K2 has def made engulfment a serious thing 07:41 did he? I don't stick around in engulfed monsters for long enough to tell 07:41 ... Z - a wand of wishing (0:1). 07:41 pfft lucky bastard 07:41 I got engulfed by a water elemental and was dead in 4 moves 07:41 $whereis anselmus 07:41 ais523: [US] anselmus : (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) T:11578 The Dungeons of Doom level: 28 07:41 literally everything wrong that can happen is going wrong 07:41 there are definitely monsters with fucked up engulf attacks, like cubes and water elementals 07:41 no this is the castle wand 07:41 ah, I see 07:42 that's why you're upset about getting a wand of wishing 07:42 ah never mind lmao 07:42 some people are never happy 07:42 hmm, if we do implement wish spreading – and I'd like to – does anyone have a good argument as to how the wishes should be spread? 07:43 put a wand of wishing with one charge at some of the demon bosses and at vlad 07:43 also make them un-wrestable 07:43 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest5895 07:43 -!- Umbire has joined #tnnt 07:43 [US] anselmus (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) made his first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:12131 07:43 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 07:44 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #tnnt 07:44 probably couple this with making the demon bosses a little more threatening idk 07:44 I'll shill that idea whenever I get the chanc 07:44 chance 07:44 one idea I had a while back for wish spreading was to make certain thrones give a guaranteed wish (whereas others would be random) 07:44 [AU] Cloudmillion (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:28820 07:44 oh, give the demon bosses and Vlad a wish throne, easy peasy 07:44 [AU] Cloudmillion (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:28823 07:44 Loggers_VIII: 3.7 makes some of them a bit more threatening when they knock you into lava 07:45 [US] anselmus (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +1 speed boots", on T:12133 07:45 hmm, illit game? 07:46 [US] anselmus (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased bag of holding", on T:12138 07:46 ok but that's like a general monster mechanic that makes all monsters of that size harder so the real difficulty of the demons stayed the same but big monsters as a whole got harder yknow 07:46 wait, no, those wouldn't wish for scrolls of charging 07:46 it's like rating an artifact on its base weapon type 07:47 for artifacts with terrible additional abilities, rating on the base type makes sense 07:47 yeah the point is that the additional abilities shouldn't be terrible :p 07:47 hmm… I wonder if an artifact with bonuses against team a would make sense 07:47 -!- Guest5895 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:47 that might be a genuinely useful thing to bane against 07:48 more useful than fuckin grim tooth or ogresmasher 07:48 maybe it could give poison resistance when wielded, too 07:48 offensively. ogresmasher has very limited utility for drain and regain 07:49 that actually sounds like a good bane but unfortunately for you there are already too many banes 07:50 my current plan for the banes is to make them actual positive finds if you find them earlygame 07:50 rather than "oh no, I have one less artiwish" 07:51 -!- mobileuser has joined #tnnt 07:51 I think it could be cool to add an artifact that's like a chaotic flail with some good offensive ability, and then if the player doesn't get it yeenoghu gets it when he's generated 07:52 [US] squishy (Mon Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:6947 07:52 in general I feel that current NetHack is too "endbuild" focused 07:53 ais523: I respect this goal but I dunno how you'd do it tbh 07:53 [EU] [D]: Fukka (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 302 points, 1176 turns, killed by kicking rocks 07:54 Loggers_VIII: I'm not sure either – I feel like just giving artifacts a smaller bonus against things they aren't designed to kill might work 07:54 I think the fact that to make the banes desirable you have to give them positive effects that don't relate at all to their theming of "weapon to be used against X monster class" proves that they're a flawed concept 07:54 plus giving them thematically appropriate extrinsics 07:54 but the banes also have the issue of not even being particularly good against the things they're meant to beat 07:55 lmao yeah but that issue solves itself because no one uses them like that anyway 07:56 I wouldn't say the banes are my least favorite part of modern nethack, but they certainly annoy me more than anything else 07:56 I tried one game, I got one of the banes early and tried to use it against the appropriate monster class 07:56 and was shocked by just how bad it was, both in general and against the target 07:57 if some guy hadn't gotten lazy with artifact ideas in 1943 or whatever we could have had a much more diverse and interesting artifact pool today 07:57 I feel like one of the ways you're "meant" to play NetHack is to get an early sacgift that helps you get through the early game and eventually becomes obsolete, but the banes don't even do that 07:57 hmm, a good example of banes done right is Sunsword 07:57 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #tnnt 07:57 sunsword is the one good bane 07:58 darkness-bane 07:58 gremlin-bane :-) 07:58 [US] lispwitch (Tou Hum Fem Neu) found kitten, on T:4318 07:58 it's thematically interesting, has utility outside of offense and has a relatively large pool of dangerous monsters that are common in the lategame to deal extra damage to 07:58 I do have bad memories of sunsword because it is possibly responsible for more NH4 bugs than any other item (and quite a few vanilla bugs, too, IIRC) 07:58 I like giving it to pets 07:58 you always know where they are 07:59 but the gameplay is fun, when it isn't causing save file desyncs 07:59 light source moment 07:59 none of the other banes had nearly as much effort put into their flavor, which helps make it more likable I think 07:59 it's just kinda cool 08:00 [AU] Cloudmillion (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:29290 08:00 random /poly, wish saved 08:00 like in reality sunsword is a C tier weapon but idk it's unique and sort of badass 08:00 [US] squishy (Mon Hum Mal Neu) consumed animal products (fortune cookie) for the first time, on T:7743 08:00 good in the mines 08:00 the blindness protection can also be a life saver on the plane of air 08:01 nice 08:01 I've ascended with Sunsword before now 08:01 although, I've also ascended with +6 mace 08:02 I think I ascended with +6 demonbane which is the same for most stuff that matters 08:02 [US] [D]: squishy (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 10114 points, 7866 turns, killed by a mumak 08:03 demonbane is so close to being interesting 08:03 D tier weapon tho 08:03 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:04 I don't think there's a single bane-type weapon I would give about a C 08:04 brands don 08:04 don't count 08:05 *above a C 08:05 damn I'm geekin tf 08:07 [US] [D]: squishy (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 55 points, 117 turns, killed by kicking a wall (and 3 other games not reported) 08:10 [US] [D]: lispwitch (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 5200 points, 5079 turns, killed by a wand 08:13 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 08:14 -!- cathartes has quit [Quit: fly away] 08:16 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:25 [US] [D]: squishy (Cav Hum Mal Neu), 362 points, 916 turns, killed by a gnome lord, while fainted from lack of food 08:28 [US] [D]: squishy (Cav Hum Mal Neu), 166 points, 563 turns, killed by tumbling down a flight of stairs 08:30 -!- tinklebear has left #tnnt 08:36 [EU] mobileuser (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:31752 08:36 [AU] Cloudmillion (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:31085 08:36 [AU] Cloudmillion (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:31096 08:39 [US] [D]: squishy (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 215 points, 1029 turns, killed by a grid bug (and one other game not reported) 08:42 [US] [D]: squishy (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 164 points, 112 turns, zapped herself with a spell 08:47 [US] [D]: lispwitch (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 2451 points, 2776 turns, killed by a kobold 08:58 [US] [D]: squishy (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 956 points, 2526 turns, killed by a falling rock (and one other game not reported) 08:59 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 08:59 [AU] Cloudmillion (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:31368 09:00 Hourly Stats at 2024-11-29 09:00 UTC: Games: 14, Asc: 0, Scum: 0. 21042 turns, 19687 points. (21%Tou), 1d 14:59 remaining. 09:02 -!- anselmus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:04 [US] [D]: lispwitch (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 295 points, 648 turns, killed by a crossbow bolt 09:06 -!- richo has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:07 -!- richo has joined #tnnt 09:09 [AU] Cloudmillion (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) murdered her faithful giant ant, on T:31632 09:10 -!- mobileuser has joined #tnnt 09:10 [EU] Fukka (Mon Hum Fem Law) consumed animal products (cream pie) for the first time, on T:6222 09:10 -!- Haudegen has joined #tnnt 09:16 [EU] mobileuser (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "magic marker", on T:32061 09:17 -!- crunchbubba63 has quit [Quit: Client closed] 09:20 [EU] mobileuser (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided master mind flayer, on T:32069 09:21 [EU] [D]: Fukka (Mon Hum Fem Law), 14791 points, 7523 turns, killed by a quasit, while frozen by a monster's gaze 09:21 [EU] mobileuser (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided mind flayer, on T:32070 09:22 [AU] Cloudmillion (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) wished for "blessed partly eaten chickatrice corpse", on T:31957 09:22 [AU] Cloudmillion (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:31958 09:23 [AU] Cloudmillion (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:31963 09:23 -!- raisse has joined #tnnt 09:26 [AU] Cloudmillion (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:32131 09:29 -!- Changesite has quit [Quit: Changesite] 09:34 [US] [D]: lispwitch (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 463 points, 1207 turns, killed by a hill orc 09:51 [AU] Cloudmillion (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:34011 09:54 [AU] [D]: tjw (Val Dwa Fem Law), 5263 points, 3667 turns, killed by a gargoyle 09:59 [EU] xororand (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a triangular amulet on an altar, on T:3147 10:01 [AU] Cloudmillion (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) wished for "2 blessed potions of full healing", on T:34124 10:01 [AU] Cloudmillion (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:34126 10:01 [AU] Cloudmillion (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (10 times), on T:34126 10:07 [AU] tjw (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur, on T:2068 10:07 [EU] [D]: xororand (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 4132 points, 4278 turns, killed by a crossbow bolt 10:17 [AU] Cloudmillion (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) killed Death, on T:34471 10:19 [US] lispwitch (Tou Hum Fem Neu) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:3421 10:25 [US] lispwitch (Tou Hum Fem Neu) found kitten, on T:3879 10:27 [AU] [A]: Cloudmillion (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 2375854 points, 34501 turns, ascended 10:27 https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/C/Cloudmillion/tnnt/dumplog/1732348838.tnnt.html 10:28 <@spider74656> gg Cloudmillion! 10:30 gg 10:30 [AU] tjw (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:4850 10:37 -!- jientho has joined #tnnt 10:37 [US] [D]: lispwitch (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 2531 points, 4576 turns, killed by a dwarf 10:40 <@cloudmillion> Thanks! 10:40 <@cloudmillion> I was nervous with that one 😄 10:42 [EU] [D]: xororand (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 835 points, 1781 turns, killed by a crossbow bolt, while fainted from lack of food 10:47 [US] efot (Hea Gno Fem Neu) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:29360 10:48 [US] efot (Hea Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:29361 10:50 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 10:51 [EU] dedal (Rog Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:102495 10:54 [EU] [D]: Furey (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 358 points, 1149 turns, killed by a gecko 10:57 [EU] Furey (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) murdered his faithful kitten, on T:1 10:59 [US] efot (Hea Gno Fem Neu) had Dragonbane bestowed upon her by Hermes, on T:30025 11:00 How do I eat object class 0 (boulders)? 11:01 <@joes5898> maybe iron balls count 11:01 for achievement #137 "Extreme Omnivore" 11:01 oh that's a good idea 11:02 now I just need to get punished 11:02 scroll of punishment go 11:02 Maybe my wife can help :P 11:03 [EU] [D]: Furey (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 128 points, 379 turns, killed by a water moccasin (and one other game not reported) 11:03 damn I've blanked them all, have to spend some marker charges 11:03 -!- Furey has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:08 cool I can use the iron ball to get "Hulk Smash" achievement while I'm there 11:10 [AU] Grasshopper (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:58335 11:11 [AU] [D]: Tangles (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 229 points, 962 turns, killed by a sewer rat 11:14 [EU] finitelycraig (Pri Hum Mal Law) had Dragonbane bestowed upon him by Shan Lai Ching, on T:38316 11:14 I only made Orcrist so I could eat it 11:15 [US] efot (Hea Gno Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:31179 11:15 [US] [D]: lispwitch (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 1412 points, 2196 turns, killed by a gnome lord 11:21 [EU] [D]: Furey (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 574 points, 1441 turns, killed by a cave spider, while reading a book (and 2 other games not reported) 11:22 $who 11:22 Tangles: [US] ChongLi habibOotC efot | [EU] finitelycraig blankman | [AU] Tangles 11:23 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 11:23 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 11:23 -!- Furey has quit [Client Quit] 11:23 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 11:28 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #tnnt 11:36 [EU] Furey (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) averted death (killed by a water demon), on T:1508 11:36 [EU] elenmirie (Hea Gno Fem Neu) just blew up her bag of holding, on T:31265 11:40 [US] efot (Hea Gno Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:31781 11:42 [EU] mobileuser (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "2 uncursed scrolls of gold detection", on T:32824 11:44 [EU] [D]: Furey (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1336 points, 2419 turns, killed by a black pudding 11:46 [EU] breadmaster (Sam Hum Fem Law) murdered Hachi, her faithful little dog, on T:1452 11:46 [AU] [D]: Cloudmillion (Ran Hum Fem Cha), 285 points, 559 turns, killed by a gnome zombie 11:47 [EU] [D]: breadmaster (Sam Hum Fem Law), 2821 points, 1508 turns, killed by a giant ant 11:51 -!- Changesite has joined #tnnt 11:51 [EU] elenmirie (Hea Gno Fem Neu) removed tjw's uncursed bag of holding from the swap chest, on T:31729 11:53 [EU] [D]: Furey (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 916 points, 917 turns, poisoned by a little dart (and one other game not reported) 12:00 Current Day as of 2024-11-29 12:00 UTC: Games: 171, Asc: 6, Scum: 9. 650125 turns, 14317279 points. 7d 22:20 gametime. (44%Wiz), (61%Hum), (44%Neu), (51%Mal), 1d 11:59 remaining. 12:00 [EU] [D]: breadmaster (Sam Hum Fem Law), 445 points, 314 turns, killed by a gnome 12:02 [AU] [D]: Cloudmillion (Sam Hum Fem Law), 2932 points, 1829 turns, killed by a fire ant, while frozen by a potion 12:07 [EU] dedal (Rog Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:102977 12:07 [EU] dedal (Rog Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:102982 12:10 [EU] dedal (Rog Hum Mal Neu) genocided mind flayer, on T:103124 12:13 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:13 [EU] dedal (Rog Hum Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:103261 12:15 [EU] [D]: Furey (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 956 points, 925 turns, killed himself by breaking a wand (and one other game not reported) 12:15 [AU] [D]: Tangles (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 1178 points, 1457 turns, killed by a hill orc called Arukaun of Uakhai 12:20 [AU] [D]: Tangles (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 406 points, 322 turns, killed by a goblin 12:26 [EU] mobileuser (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:33054 12:26 [EU] dedal (Rog Hum Mal Neu) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:103968 12:27 [EU] mobileuser (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:33062 12:27 [EU] dedal (Rog Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:103978 12:28 [EU] [D]: Furey (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1018 points, 1794 turns, killed by a falling rock 12:32 [EU] mobileuser (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:33074 12:36 [EU] [D]: Furey (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 506 points, 655 turns, killed by a dwarf lord (and one other game not reported) 12:39 [AU] Grasshopper (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:58717 12:40 [US] wisp (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:109528 12:40 [AU] Grasshopper (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:58723 12:43 [EU] [D]: Furey (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 612 points, 477 turns, killed by a little dart 12:46 [AU] Grasshopper (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:58821 12:51 -!- nurdglaw has joined #tnnt 12:51 -!- stagnate has joined #tnnt 12:52 -!- Haudegen has quit [Quit: Bin weg.] 12:55 [US] ChongLi (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed fixed greased +3 silver dragon scale mail", on T:10624 12:57 -!- raisse has joined #tnnt 13:03 [AU] Grasshopper (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:59090 13:03 [AU] Grasshopper (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:59092 13:04 [EU] [D]: Furey (Bar Hum Fem Neu), 2594 points, 2819 turns, killed by a jaguar 13:05 [EU] dedal (Rog Hum Mal Neu) genocided gremlin, on T:106171 13:05 [EU] dedal (Rog Hum Mal Neu) genocided golden naga, on T:106171 13:06 [EU] dedal (Rog Hum Mal Neu) genocided class T, on T:106173 13:10 [EU] dedal (Rog Hum Mal Neu) genocided class n, on T:106195 13:10 [US] jonosmalls88 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:15819 13:11 [AU] Tangles (Hea Gno Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed fixed +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:3136 13:12 [EU] [D]: Furey (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 334 points, 887 turns, killed by a giant bat 13:13 -!- Kontroller has joined #tnnt 13:17 [US] Unguarded1765 (Kni Hum Mal Law) had Sunsword bestowed upon him by Lugh, on T:29639 13:25 [EU] [D]: Furey (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 1060 points, 911 turns, killed by a watchman (and 4 other games not reported) 13:25 [EU] elenmirie (Hea Gno Fem Neu) destroyed GrmlyFndsh's ghost, the former Student of Waters, on T:33941 13:35 [US] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur, on T:3728 13:36 yes shadow get that sub hour 13:36 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 13:37 [US] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "holy +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:3907 13:37 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 13:38 [US] efot (Hea Gno Fem Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 54 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:33143 13:41 [US] efot (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:33542 13:41 [US] Unguarded1765 (Kni Hum Mal Law) performed his first genocide (disenchanter), on T:32953 13:45 [US] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) removed spazm's blessed +4 cloak of protection from the swap chest, on T:5739 13:45 [US] efot (Hea Gno Fem Neu) genocided class h, on T:33832 13:48 [US] samiam (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Orcus, on T:49151 13:49 [US] ChongLi (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:13133 13:49 [US] efot (Hea Gno Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:34067 13:50 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:52 -!- crunchbubba13 has joined #tnnt 13:54 $time 13:54 crunchbubba13: 2024-11-29 13:54:50 UTC. 2024 Tournament closes in 1d 10:05:09 13:55 [AU] Grasshopper (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:60443 13:55 -!- Haudegen has joined #tnnt 14:01 [US] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:9766 14:02 [US] Prowler (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:31456 14:04 [US] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "marker", on T:10053 14:06 -!- Furey has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:06 [US] Prowler (Val Hum Fem Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 7 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:31865 14:07 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 14:07 [US] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:10355 14:07 [US] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "marker", on T:10358 14:08 [US] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "3 holy charging", on T:10358 14:09 [EU] elenmirie (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed the Cyclops, on T:35074 14:09 [EU] elenmirie (Hea Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:35075 14:09 [US] Prowler (Val Hum Fem Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 7 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:32286 14:11 [US] rancat (Mon Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:10159 14:12 [US] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:10765 14:12 [US] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:10766 14:15 [US] Prowler (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:32915 14:15 [US] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed ring of teleport control", on T:11354 14:15 [US] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:11358 14:16 [EU] Kontroller (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed Medusa, on T:19212 14:17 [US] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed the invisible Vlad the Impaler, on T:11763 14:17 [US] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:11766 14:18 [US] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "marker", on T:11793 14:18 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 14:18 [EU] mobileuser (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:33350 14:18 The high priest of Moloch turns to stone. 14:18 -!- jmcunx has joined #tnnt 14:18 thank you random cockatrice 14:18 Time to break out stone to flesh and give it another go 14:19 heh 14:19 [US] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided mind flayer, on T:11912 14:19 [US] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided master mind flayer, on T:11916 14:19 [EU] mobileuser (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:33356 14:20 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 14:20 [US] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:12053 14:20 -!- Changesite has quit [Quit: Changesite] 14:21 [EU] [D]: lacca (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 2121 points, 2407 turns, killed by a werewolf 14:22 [US] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:12213 14:22 Hmmmm.  If stone to flesh on a pet doesn't count as resurrecting it then stoning the high priest shouldn't count as killing it, right?  From an achievment standpoint? 14:22 s2f doesn't count as resurrecting a pet 14:23 [US] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Demogorgon, on T:12431 14:23 [US] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Yeenoghu, on T:12436 14:23 woah 14:23 Orcus was busy? 14:23 rubber chicken wizard? 14:24 [US] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:12474 14:24 [US] Prowler (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:33496 14:24 [US] Prowler (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:33497 14:26 [US] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:12762 14:26 [US] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:12764 14:26 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:27 [US] SkydiveMike (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Juiblex, on T:96791 14:27 [US] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:12802 14:27 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #tnnt 14:28 [US] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible high priestess of Moloch, on T:12960 14:28 [US] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:12965 14:29 [US] Prowler (Val Hum Fem Neu) genocided disenchanter, on T:33669 14:32 [US] samiam (Tou Hum Mal Neu) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:51028 14:32 -!- raisse has joined #tnnt 14:32 [US] samiam (Tou Hum Mal Neu) wished for "2 blessed potions of gain level", on T:51029 14:33 [US] Prowler (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:33690 14:34 [US] samiam (Tou Hum Mal Neu) wished for "2 blessed potions of gain level", on T:51033 14:34 [US] samiam (Tou Hum Mal Neu) wished for "2 blessed potions of gain level", on T:51037 14:35 [US] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Cha) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:14341 14:36 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:36 -!- nurdglaw has quit [Quit: Client closed] 14:37 [US] samiam (Tou Hum Mal Neu) wished for "2 blessed potions of gain level", on T:51130 14:37 [US] samiam (Tou Hum Mal Neu) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:51139 14:38 [US] samiam (Tou Hum Mal Neu) wished for "2 blessed potions of full healing", on T:51140 14:38 [US] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:15609 14:39 [US] Unguarded1765 (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed Ixoth, on T:37519 14:39 [US] Unguarded1765 (Kni Hum Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:37521 14:40 feels weird that I just left Gehennom and shadow is already on the planes 14:40 [EU] Kontroller (Kni Hum Mal Law) had Sunsword bestowed upon him by Lugh, on T:19736 14:42 [EU] Kontroller (Kni Hum Mal Law) had Grayswandir bestowed upon him by Lugh, on T:19849 14:43 [US] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Cha) killed Famine, on T:15860 14:44 [US] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Cha) averted death (killed by an invisible valkyrie called squishy the Heroine), on T:15900 14:44 [US] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Cha) wished for "blessed amulet of life saving", on T:15925 14:45 [EU] [D]: lacca (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 1611 points, 1653 turns, killed by a wolf 14:45 [US] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Cha) killed Pestilence, on T:15933 14:45 [US] [A]: shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 823224 points, 15967 turns, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/s/shadowrider38/tnnt/dumplog/1732886491.tnnt.html 14:45 \o/ 14:46 congratulations 14:46 1/10 of my turn count but who's counting 14:46 but what is the time 14:47 <@shadow_rider> tanks 14:47 <@shadow_rider> very laggy for some reason 14:50 1:24:16 14:51 [US] [D]: aosdict (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 198 points, 363 turns, killed by a fox 14:51 <@shadow_rider> loggers is gonna kill me when he sees 14:51 Loggers, work to do!! 14:51 <@shadow_rider> but cant let him have it that easy :)) 14:51 heh 14:52 [EU] dedal (Rog Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:106395 14:52 <@shadow_rider> i am probably not gonna play more game 14:52 <@shadow_rider> so up to him now 14:53 <@shadow_rider> and aoei 14:53 <@shadow_rider> and luxi? 0_0 14:55 on the subject of early game unavoidable deaths: 14:55 "The hobbit plays a horn directed at you! The bolt of cold hits you! You die..." 14:56 first level of mines 14:56 [US] [D]: aosdict (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 495 points, 590 turns, killed by a bolt of cold 14:59 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #tnnt 15:01 [US] [D]: PigInZen (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1048 points, 2240 turns, killed by a gnome 15:01 why does the amulet of yendor always starts scanning on water levels 15:02 very annoying 15:03 [US] [D]: aosdict (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 444 points, 742 turns, poisoned by a rotted dwarf corpse, while sleeping 15:04 @shadow_rider congrats! 15:05 I will spend the rest of the tourney aiming at <=80 min run 15:05 I'll be happy if I can improve on my time and get like sub-2h tho 15:06 [US] [D]: aosdict (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 74 points, 235 turns, killed by a guard, while sleeping (and one other game not reported) 15:06 [US] [D]: Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 5538 points, 10058 turns, killed by a hill orc (and 3 other games not reported) 15:07 [US] Soraya (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a werewolf, on T:4925 15:07 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:07 [US] Prowler (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:35633 15:08 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #tnnt 15:09 [US] [D]: aosdict (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 1173 points, 384 turns, killed by a giant zombie 15:11 -!- Noims has joined #tnnt 15:12 [EU] mobileuser (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:34939 15:12 [US] rancat (Mon Hum Mal Cha) removed Prowler's blessed spellbook of identify from the swap chest, on T:13507 15:13 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Pri Hum Fem Law), 1040 points, 1933 turns, poisoned by a rotted dwarf corpse, while fainted from lack of food 15:13 [US] [D]: aosdict (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 176 points, 164 turns, killed by a tower of flame 15:15 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Pri Hum Fem Law), 153 points, 209 turns, killed by a gecko 15:15 -!- Bleeko has joined #tnnt 15:15 [EU] dedal (Rog Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:106760 15:17 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:17 [US] k2 (Mon Hum Fem Neu) consumed animal products (fortune cookie) for the first time, on T:3291 15:18 [US] [D]: GrmlyFndsh (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 2188 points, 5098 turns, killed by a wand 15:18 [US] Prowler (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed wand of polymorph", on T:36343 15:20 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #tnnt 15:20 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Pri Hum Fem Law), 197 points, 1127 turns, killed by a system shock 15:21 -!- stagnate has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:21 [EU] dedal (Rog Hum Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:106902 15:21 mobileuser: it just wants you to know of all the delicious kelp there is :( 15:22 =D 15:22 it was fun when I had a water troll pet that collected all the kelp 15:25 [US] rancat (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:13870 15:25 resolutely telling this incubus "no, the hat stays ON" 15:26 [EU] mobileuser (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided class ;, on T:35120 15:27 [EU] noims (Rog Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed spellbook of identify", on T:30989 15:27 [US] allanb (Ran Orc Fem Cha) has entered the Arena, on T:51487 15:27 [US] Zolar (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:17129 15:28 you can leave your hat on... 15:28 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:28 [US] allanb (Ran Orc Fem Cha) killed scheijan the Warrior in a deathmatch, on T:51542 15:29 found on the wiki: "Archeologists are probably heavy smokers (like all fedora-wearing Americans in the 30's)" 15:29 so have a smoke afterwards aosdict! 15:29 [US] Prowler (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:36923 15:31 GGs,  speedy peeps 15:32 aosdict: reminds me of a song 15:33 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfgwrdYUQ2A Joe Cocker - You can leave your hat on 15:33 [US] [D]: wormy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 505 points, 1406 turns, killed by a gnome 15:33 [US] allanb (Ran Orc Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:51953 15:35 yeah I quoted that song too aoei ;-) 15:35 So you did! 15:35 I like the original Randy Newman one better 15:36 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #tnnt 15:36 Oh I have to give that a listen, not sure if I've heard the original 15:37 [US] tjw (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:18549 15:38 [US] tjw (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:18550 15:38 -!- Kontroller has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:39 [US] allanb (Ran Orc Fem Cha) removed Prowler's blessed fireproof +5 robe from the swap chest, on T:52157 15:39 [US] Zolar (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) found kitten, on T:18939 15:39 [US] Prowler (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:37845 15:39 [US] Prowler (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:37846 15:40 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 15:40 [US] Prowler (Val Hum Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:37886 15:41 [US] Prowler (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:37991 15:41 [US] Prowler (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:37993 15:41 yeah this is nicer i agree 15:41 \o/ 15:44 [EU] noims (Rog Orc Mal Cha) genocided class ;, on T:31593 15:44 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:48 [US] Prowler (Val Hum Fem Neu) entered the Planes, on T:39913 15:49 [US] Prowler (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:39979 15:49 [US] [D]: aosdict (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 615 points, 1230 turns, killed by a garter snake 15:50 -!- efot has joined #tnnt 15:50 [US] Prowler (Val Hum Fem Neu) genocided class ;, on T:40016 15:50 [US] efot (Hea Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:34069 15:51 [US] Prowler (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Famine, on T:40098 15:52 [US] Prowler (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Pestilence, on T:40150 15:53 [US] [D]: aosdict (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 478 points, 275 turns, squished under a boulder 15:53 [US] [A]: Prowler (Val Hum Fem Neu), 2182472 points, 40174 turns, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/P/Prowler/tnnt/dumplog/1732825478.tnnt.html 15:53 gg Prowler, for the eleventy millionth time 15:53 [US] [D]: k2 (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 15726 points, 4755 turns, killed by a bolt of lightning 15:53 thanks :) 15:54 [US] oh6 (Ran Orc Fem Cha) destroyed Bourne's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:3987 15:54 think you can pick up NetHack Master before the end of the tournament tomorrow? 15:55 [US] [D]: PigInZen (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 702 points, 1962 turns, killed by a giant ant 15:57 [US] [D]: aosdict (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 547 points, 154 turns, killed by a killer bee (and one other game not reported) 15:59 I'm afraid not, my nice even distribution of ascended roles will be gone then :( 15:59 [US] [D]: aosdict (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 366 points, 267 turns, killed by a giant bat 15:59 (and also I'd have to ascend every remaining combo in ~40 min without any interruptions, but that's not as important) 16:00 Hourly Stats at 2024-11-29 16:00 UTC: Games: 20, Asc: 1, Scum: 0. 0d 12:44 gametime. (50%Arc), 1d 07:59 remaining. 16:00 [US] [D]: GrmlyFndsh (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 1852 points, 7600 turns, killed by a hill orc 16:02 [US] [D]: aosdict (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 646 points, 231 turns, killed by a giant spider (and 2 other games not reported) 16:04 [US] SkydiveMike (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Yeenoghu, on T:100480 16:05 [US] SkydiveMike (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:100490 16:06 grats prowler, calling 26 ascs is like babe ruth's called home run 16:07 [US] samiam (Tou Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:52218 16:07 [US] samiam (Tou Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:52219 16:08 [US] spleen (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) destroyed lispwitch's ghost, the former Rambler, on T:2710 16:10 [US] oh6 (Ran Orc Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a runed dagger named +0 on an altar, on T:4836 16:11 -!- nurdglaw has joined #tnnt 16:11 [US] Bean (Bar Orc Fem Cha) made her first wish - "+2 Blessed silver dragon scale mail", on T:17676 16:12 [US] [D]: PigInZen (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 347 points, 1559 turns, killed by a kobold zombie, while frozen by a monster's gaze 16:12 [US] [D]: aosdict (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 1227 points, 577 turns, killed by a gray ooze 16:15 [US] [D]: aosdict (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 682 points, 201 turns, killed by a dust vortex (and one other game not reported) 16:16 -!- stagnate has joined #tnnt 16:19 [US] aosdict (Arc Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (large mimic), on T:109 16:19 [US] nirol0 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:62053 16:19 [US] nirol0 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:62054 16:20 [US] samiam (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:53031 16:20 [US] stoicjin (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:26244 16:20 [US] stoicjin (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided master mind flayer, on T:26245 16:20 [US] stoicjin (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided mind flayer, on T:26245 16:21 [US] samiam (Tou Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:53043 16:21 [US] [D]: aosdict (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 160 points, 162 turns, killed by a magic missile 16:22 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 16:22 [US] [D]: aosdict (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 721 points, 203 turns, killed by an imp 16:22 [US] stoicjin (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed ring of levitation", on T:26246 16:23 [US] samiam (Tou Hum Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:53195 16:23 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 16:23 [US] stoicjin (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed +3 speed boots", on T:26246 16:24 [US] stoicjin (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed +2 gauntlets of power", on T:26247 16:24 [US] GrmlyFndsh (Pri Hum Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4224 16:24 [US] efot (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed Orcus, on T:34972 16:26 [US] [D]: GrmlyFndsh (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 2200 points, 4590 turns, killed by a hill orc 16:27 [US] jientho (Val Dwa Fem Law) removed Prowler's blessed +5 silver dragon scale mail from the swap chest, on T:2962 16:27 [US] allanb (Ran Orc Fem Cha) killed Asmodeus, on T:53566 16:27 [US] Bean (Bar Orc Fem Cha) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:18557 16:27 [US] stoicjin (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:26406 16:28 [US] oh6 (Ran Orc Fem Cha) destroyed GrmlyFndsh's ghost, the former Rogue, on T:5366 16:29 [US] [D]: Soraya (Val Dwa Fem Law), 4611 points, 6814 turns, killed by a gargoyle 16:29 [US] samiam (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:53406 16:29 [US] samiam (Tou Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:53408 16:29 [US] [D]: aosdict (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 354 points, 545 turns, killed by a kobold mummy (and one other game not reported) 16:31 [US] [D]: aosdict (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 977 points, 179 turns, killed by a snake 16:31 [US] [D]: spleen (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 8813 points, 4405 turns, killed by a dwarf lord, while frozen by a monster's gaze (and one other game not reported) 16:32 [US] stoicjin (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:26786 16:33 [US] [D]: aosdict (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 1281 points, 204 turns, killed by a yeti 16:34 [US] Bean (Bar Orc Fem Cha) wished for "2 Blessed scrolls of genocide", on T:19291 16:34 [US] Bean (Bar Orc Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:19292 16:34 [US] [D]: aosdict (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 2040 points, 164 turns, killed by a giant mummy 16:34 [US] Bean (Bar Orc Fem Cha) wished for "+3 Blessed fixed gauntlets of power", on T:19293 16:34 -!- Kontroller has joined #tnnt 16:35 [US] [D]: GrmlyFndsh (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 502 points, 1697 turns, killed by a bat 16:35 [US] nirol0 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:62663 16:35 [US] Bean (Bar Orc Fem Cha) genocided class h, on T:19311 16:35 -!- a-1 has joined #tnnt 16:37 -!- Haudegen has quit [Quit: Bin weg.] 16:40 [US] stoicjin (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:27349 16:40 [US] stoicjin (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:27351 16:40 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:41 -!- Kontroller has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:42 [US] Bean (Bar Orc Fem Cha) wished for "Blessed amulet of life saving", on T:20514 16:43 [AU] Grasshopper (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (10 times), on T:62427 16:44 [US] stoicjin (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Geryon, on T:27562 16:44 [US] stoicjin (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:27575 16:45 [US] samiam (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:55214 16:46 [US] stoicjin (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Yeenoghu, on T:27644 16:46 [US] samiam (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:55251 16:46 [US] efot (Hea Gno Fem Neu) wished for "marker", on T:35985 16:46 -!- Noims has left #tnnt 16:47 [US] stoicjin (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:27760 16:47 [US] Zolar (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:26200 16:48 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #tnnt 16:49 [US] stoicjin (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Dispater, on T:27963 16:49 time for some early morning hack 16:50 [US] stoicjin (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:28145 16:50 -!- raisse has joined #tnnt 16:51 [EU] aoei (Val Dwa Mal Law) received Excalibur, on T:2454 16:53 -!- Kontroller has joined #tnnt 16:55 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:55 [US] joq (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed +3 silver dragon scale mail", on T:4120 16:55 [US] Bean (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed Thoth Amon, on T:22037 16:55 [US] Bean (Bar Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:22038 16:55 [US] disperse (Hea Gno Fem Neu) became Hermes' Envoy of Balance, on T:42069 16:57 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:57 [US] samiam (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Death, on T:55481 16:58 [US] nirol0 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (10 times), on T:63853 16:59 [EU] [D]: aoei (Val Dwa Fem Law), 9491 points, 4854 turns, killed by an invisible Woodland-elf 17:00 Hourly Stats at 2024-11-29 17:00 UTC: Games: 20, Asc: 0, Scum: 0. 34301 turns, 37062 points. (75%Dwa), 1d 06:59 remaining. 17:00 [US] stoicjin (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:28970 17:00 [US] stoicjin (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:28976 17:00 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #tnnt 17:01 [US] samiam (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Famine, on T:55548 17:01 [US] [A]: samiam (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 3012546 points, 55557 turns, ascended (and one other game not reported) https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/s/samiam/tnnt/dumplog/1732656236.tnnt.html 17:03 [US] Zolar (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) was chosen to take lives for the Glory of Anhur, on T:27670 17:03 [US] allanb (Ran Orc Fem Cha) killed the invisible Juiblex, on T:54914 17:03 [US] SkydiveMike (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:103116 17:05 [US] PigInZen (Sam Hum Mal Law) destroyed lispwitch's ghost, the former Rambler, on T:2646 17:06 [US] disperse (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed the Oracle, on T:42569 17:07 [US] Bean (Bar Orc Fem Cha) has entered the Arena, on T:22612 17:08 [US] [D]: clotshot (Ran Hum Mal Neu), 2394 points, 4311 turns, killed by a rothe 17:09 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:09 [US] Bean (Bar Orc Fem Cha) cravenly fled from Prowler the Daimyo in a deathmatch, on T:22651 17:10 [AU] Grasshopper (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:62566 17:11 [EU] [Q]: aoei (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1014 points, 2689 turns, quit (and 7 other games not reported) 17:11 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #tnnt 17:14 [US] efot (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:36217 17:15 [US] efot (Hea Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:36219 17:15 [US] efot (Hea Gno Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:36259 17:15 [US] nirol0 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:64708 17:16 Question about trying for atheist conduct.  The wiki says to use a blessed scroll of remove curse while confused.  It's a bit of chicken-and-egg.  Do you need to just farm remove curse scrolls until you get one that is blessed (and/or get holy water directly)? 17:17 Actually I realized I have a magic marker so blessed blank scroll will also work although I need to find one.  The general question holds, though. 17:18 [US] [D]: PigInZen (Sam Hum Mal Law), 2913 points, 3119 turns, killed by a giant spider 17:18 [US] Bean (Bar Orc Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:23681 17:18 [US] [D]: SludgeGunkman (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1219 points, 2314 turns, killed by a snake 17:18 [EU] aoei (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur, on T:1830 17:19 [EU] Kontroller (Kni Hum Mal Law) averted death (killed by invisible Ixoth), on T:23284 17:19 [US] [D]: clotshot (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 850 points, 1565 turns, killed by a small mimic 17:20 [US] Bean (Bar Orc Fem Cha) removed tinklebear's can of grease (0:23) from the swap chest, on T:23774 17:20 -!- Arseniy has joined #tnnt 17:20 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:20 [EU] [Q]: aoei (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1402 points, 2299 turns, quit (and 13 other games not reported) 17:21 [AU] Grasshopper (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) genocided class v, on T:62648 17:21 [US] allanb (Ran Orc Fem Cha) killed the invisible Geryon, on T:55391 17:21 yeah you need to get your first holy water somehow, or else get a blessed scroll of remove curse somehow, and know it is blessed. 17:21 for a non-priest i recommend finding expensive water (price-id) that pets will step on 17:22 for tnnt you could get a stack of holy waters from swap chest 17:23 [EU] [D]: Kontroller (Kni Hum Mal Law), 166079 points, 23509 turns, killed by invisible Ixoth 17:23 Yeah I was debating whether to resort to the swap chest. 17:24 [US] stash (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:3620 17:24 [US] Bean (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:24249 17:25 -!- stagnate has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:25 -!- stagnate has joined #tnnt 17:25 [US] stoicjin (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:29864 17:25 [US] stoicjin (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:29871 17:26 [US] swooboo (Val Dwa Fem Law) found kitten, on T:2239 17:26 [US] Zolar (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:29444 17:26 -!- stagnate has quit [Client Quit] 17:27 [EU] [D]: aoei (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1053 points, 1739 turns, killed by a water moccasin (and 2 other games not reported) 17:27 [US] [D]: stash (Val Dwa Fem Law), 3027 points, 4248 turns, killed by a gray unicorn 17:27 [US] stoicjin (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:30060 17:27 [US] Bean (Bar Orc Fem Cha) bribed Asmodeus with 106 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:24715 17:28 [US] Bean (Bar Orc Fem Cha) bribed Baalzebub with 53 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:24822 17:29 [US] stoicjin (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible high priestess of Moloch, on T:30195 17:29 [US] stoicjin (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:30198 17:30 [US] allanb (Ran Orc Fem Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:55493 17:30 [US] efot (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:36838 17:30 [AU] Grasshopper (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) genocided class ;, on T:62702 17:31 [US] efot (Hea Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:36844 17:31 [US] [D]: SludgeGunkman (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1149 points, 1841 turns, killed by an imp 17:31 [US] [D]: elmegil (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1567 points, 2447 turns, killed by a snake 17:32 [US] [D]: SludgeGunkman (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 20 points, 208 turns, killed by a water moccasin 17:37 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:39 [US] crunchbubba (Ran Gno Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:41131 17:39 hm. i have formally identified a brass lantern but it does not show up in my discoveries 17:39 [US] Bean (Bar Orc Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:25189 17:39 [US] Bean (Bar Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:25190 17:40 i'm assuming this is why i don't have izchak's apprentice 17:40 [US] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:2899 17:40 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:41 -!- Arseniy has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:41 [US] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law) performed her first genocide (disenchanter), on T:3020 17:42 [US] [D]: epiksalad (Val Dwa Fem Law), 648 points, 1434 turns, killed by a bugbear 17:43 [US] [D]: clotshot (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1962 points, 3411 turns, killed by a giant ant 17:44 -!- stagnate has joined #tnnt 17:44 [US] Bean (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed Orcus, on T:25636 17:45 [US] [D]: PigInZen (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 1290 points, 2031 turns, killed by a dart 17:49 [US] Bean (Bar Orc Fem Cha) wished for "Blessed magic marker", on T:26085 17:51 [US] GrmlyFndsh (Kni Hum Mal Law) received Excalibur, on T:7962 17:51 [US] a1 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) destroyed Soraya's ghost, the former Fighter, on T:6184 17:53 [US] tjw (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (disenchanter), on T:19997 17:53 [US] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) found kitten, on T:50415 17:53 [EU] aoei (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur, on T:1186 17:55 [AU] Grasshopper (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Death, on T:62844 17:58 [US] tjw (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:20434 17:58 -!- Haudegen has joined #tnnt 17:58 [US] [D]: SludgeGunkman (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 2497 points, 1624 turns, killed by an ape 17:59 [US] SludgeGunkman (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) murdered his faithful kitten, on T:22 17:59 [US] [D]: epiksalad (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1317 points, 2670 turns, killed by a yeti 18:00 Current Day as of 2024-11-29 18:00 UTC: Games: 285, Asc: 9, Scum: 44. 909079 turns, 20611723 points. 10d 01:34 gametime. (37%Wiz), (55%Hum), (39%Neu), (54%Fem), 1d 05:59 remaining. 18:00 [US] DekaFumoPuzzle (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) destroyed tjw's ghost, the former Fighter, on T:19774 18:01 [AU] Grasshopper (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) genocided purple worm, on T:62860 18:01 [EU] aoei (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:3575 18:02 [EU] aoei (Val Dwa Fem Law) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a gray unicorn corpse, on T:3614 18:02 [US] Bean (Bar Orc Fem Cha) wished for "Blessed ring of conflict", on T:28063 18:03 [US] [D]: bleeko (Arc Hum Mal Law), 25 points, 211 turns, killed by a jackal 18:03 [EU] finitelycraig (Pri Hum Mal Law) killed Nalzok, on T:40617 18:04 [EU] finitelycraig (Pri Hum Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:40637 18:04 [US] Bean (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:28169 18:04 [US] Bean (Bar Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:28170 18:05 [US] Bean (Bar Orc Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:28357 18:05 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 18:06 [US] allanb (Ran Orc Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:56651 18:06 [US] allanb (Ran Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:56652 18:06 [EU] aoei (Val Dwa Fem Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a circular amulet on an altar, on T:4399 18:07 [US] Bean (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:28472 18:07 [US] Bean (Bar Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:28473 18:07 [US] [D]: SludgeGunkman (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 564 points, 1329 turns, killed by a giant ant, while praying 18:07 [US] allanb (Ran Orc Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (master mind flayer), on T:56739 18:07 [US] [D]: jientho (Val Dwa Fem Law), 5856 points, 3350 turns, killed by a mumak, while helpless (and one other game not reported) 18:08 [EU] aoei (Val Dwa Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:4565 18:09 [US] spazm (Tou Hum Fem Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:4346 18:09 [US] rancat (Mon Hum Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:19328 18:09 [AU] [A]: Grasshopper (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 3782640 points, 62878 turns, ascended 18:09 https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/G/Grasshopper/tnnt/dumplog/1732212917.tnnt.html 18:10 [US] tjw (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:21317 18:10 [US] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a kobold shaman, on T:9355 18:11 -!- tinklebear has joined #tnnt 18:11 the good news is, female kobold shamans are not too small to ride horses 18:13 (one presumes both genders are of similar size) 18:13 [EU] dedal (Rog Hum Mal Neu) killed Famine, on T:107154 18:13 [US] [D]: SludgeGunkman (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 195 points, 626 turns, killed by a water demon 18:13 [US] AmElm (Mon Hum Mal Neu) removed wisp's uncursed spellbook of identify from the swap chest, on T:3790 18:14 [US] rebrane (Ran Elf Mal Cha) removed Prowler's blessed +4 gray dragon scale mail from the swap chest, on T:6962 18:15 [EU] dedal (Rog Hum Mal Neu) killed Pestilence, on T:107199 18:17 [EU] dedal (Rog Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed figurine of a woodchuck", on T:107224 18:20 [US] SludgeGunkman (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) murdered his faithful kitten, on T:883 18:20 [US] AmElm (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:4377 18:21 [US] [D]: SludgeGunkman (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 307 points, 941 turns, killed by a hobbit 18:21 [US] tjw (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided class L, on T:21830 18:21 [US] joq (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7233 18:22 [EU] [A]: dedal (Rog Hum Mal Neu), 2045681 points, 107226 turns, ascended (and 57 other games not reported) 18:22 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/d/dedal/tnnt/dumplog/1732282638.tnnt.html 18:23 [US] [D]: epiksalad (Val Dwa Fem Law), 844 points, 2492 turns, killed by a pony 18:23 [US] Bean (Bar Orc Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:30596 18:23 [US] Bean (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:30597 18:24 -!- mobileuser has joined #tnnt 18:24 [EU] aoei (Val Dwa Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a quasit, on T:6795 18:25 [EU] [D]: aoei (Val Dwa Mal Law), 33677 points, 6820 turns, killed by a silver dragon (and 3 other games not reported) 18:25 lol rip 18:25 [US] joq (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) removed efot's uncursed spellbook of magic missile from the swap chest, on T:7565 18:25 [US] rebrane (Ran Elf Mal Cha) had Orcrist bestowed upon him by Mars, on T:7792 18:25 :P 18:25 [US] [D]: bleeko (Arc Hum Mal Law), 796 points, 1747 turns, killed by a rothe, while frozen by a monster's gaze 18:25 -!- stagnate has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:25 -!- neilk is now known as rebrane 18:26 [US] [D]: SludgeGunkman (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 139 points, 555 turns, killed by a water moccasin 18:28 [EU] [D]: aoei (Val Dwa Fem Law), 440 points, 952 turns, killed by a kitten (and 6 other games not reported) 18:28 [US] Bean (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed Death, on T:30852 18:29 [US] [A]: Bean (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 1691442 points, 30887 turns, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/B/Bean/tnnt/dumplog/1732681603.tnnt.html 18:29 [EU] finitelycraig (Pri Hum Mal Law) genocided class h, on T:42110 18:30 -!- floating_eye has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:30 -!- floating_eye has joined #tnnt 18:31 [US] [D]: SludgeGunkman (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 517 points, 606 turns, killed by a werejackal 18:33 [US] [D]: SludgeGunkman (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 49 points, 175 turns, killed by a black pudding 18:33 [EU] [D]: aoei (Val Dwa Fem Law), 676 points, 1589 turns, killed by a giant bat (and 5 other games not reported) 18:34 [US] Zolar (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (golden naga), on T:34658 18:35 [US] a1 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) removed Prowler's blessed rustproof +5 pair of gauntlets of power from the swap chest, on T:8669 18:35 [EU] mobileuser (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Pestilence, on T:35195 18:36 [US] [D]: bleeko (Arc Hum Mal Law), 244 points, 770 turns, killed by a large kobold 18:36 [US] [D]: post163 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 373 points, 681 turns, killed by a hobgoblin (and 2 other games not reported) 18:36 [US] post163 (Hea Hum Fem Neu) murdered her faithful kitten, on T:1 18:38 [EU] [Q]: aoei (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1701 points, 2411 turns, quit (and 5 other games not reported) 18:38 [US] [D]: post163 (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 275 points, 641 turns, killed by a kitten 18:39 [US] [D]: bleeko (Arc Hum Mal Law), 74 points, 295 turns, killed by a newt 18:41 [US] [D]: SludgeGunkman (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 214 points, 707 turns, killed by a giant mimic 18:41 [US] [D]: disperse (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 35321 points, 42728 turns, petrified by a chickatrice 18:41 [US] charlie14690 (Cav Hum Mal Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 1 zorkmid for safe passage, on T:27885 18:42 [US] [D]: elmegil (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 245 points, 1046 turns, killed by a green mold 18:42 [US] rancat (Mon Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:21155 18:43 [US] [D]: jientho (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 486 points, 1290 turns, killed by a gnome zombie, while frozen by a monster's gaze 18:43 [US] [D]: post163 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 259 points, 1089 turns, killed by a bear trap 18:43 [US] Zolar (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) genocided mind flayer, on T:35646 18:44 [EU] aoei (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur, on T:1646 18:44 [US] [D]: post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 119 points, 152 turns, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 18:45 [US] Unguarded1765 (Kni Hum Mal Law) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:45462 18:45 [US] charlie14690 (Cav Hum Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:27985 18:47 [US] [D]: rebrane (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 28173 points, 10230 turns, killed by a mumak 18:47 [US] DekaFumoPuzzle (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed the Dark One, on T:23112 18:47 [US] DekaFumoPuzzle (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:23113 18:48 -!- efot has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:48 [EU] [D]: post163 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 118 points, 569 turns, killed by a goblin (and 2 other games not reported) 18:49 [EU] [A]: mobileuser (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1809286 points, 35212 turns, ascended 18:49 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/m/mobileuser/tnnt/dumplog/1732487519.tnnt.html 18:52 [US] [D]: PigInZen (Sam Hum Fem Law), 2215 points, 3613 turns, killed by a dart 18:52 [EU] aoei (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:3517 18:53 [US] rebrane (Ran Elf Mal Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:721 18:53 [US] [D]: jmcunx (Sam Hum Fem Law), 1030 points, 2792 turns, killed by a bolt of lightning 18:54 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #tnnt 18:54 -!- cathartes has joined #tnnt 18:56 [US] WizardOfPoland (Hea Gno Mal Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 616 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:38458 18:57 [US] ChongLi (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) destroyed Raisse's ghost, the former Acolyte, on T:15581 18:57 [US] Grouchy (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Medusa, on T:33453 18:57 [US] karibou (Mon Hum Fem Neu) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a golden naga hatchling corpse, on T:5954 18:57 [US] [D]: SludgeGunkman (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1695 points, 1233 turns, killed by a watch captain 18:57 [US] [D]: TeagueasaurusRex (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 420 points, 2764 turns, killed by a jackal, while frozen by a monster's gaze (and one other game not reported) 19:00 Hourly Stats at 2024-11-29 19:00 UTC: Games: 52, Asc: 4, Scum: 16. 330642 turns, 9446139 points. (36%Wiz), 1d 04:59 remaining. 19:00 [US] rebrane (Ran Elf Mal Cha) murdered his faithful kitten, on T:2329 19:02 [US] rebrane (Ran Elf Mal Cha) found kitten, on T:2651 19:02 [US] crunchbubba (Ran Gno Fem Neu) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of genocide", on T:42791 19:03 [US] [D]: jientho (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 258 points, 611 turns, killed by a dwarf 19:03 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:03 [US] charlie14690 (Cav Hum Fem Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 1 zorkmid for safe passage, on T:28468 19:04 [US] spazm (Tou Hum Fem Neu) destroyed post163's ghost, the former Rhizotomist, on T:6663 19:04 [US] rebrane (Ran Elf Mal Cha) murdered his faithful kitten, on T:3099 19:04 [EU] Shunya (Cav Dwa Mal Law) wished for "blessed greased +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:36503 19:05 [US] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:52287 19:05 [US] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:52289 19:06 [US] rebrane (Ran Elf Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 24 arrows on an altar, on T:3362 19:07 [US] [D]: rebrane (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 2257 points, 3447 turns, killed by a wand 19:07 [EU] aoei (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:6622 19:07 [EU] [D]: aoei (Val Dwa Fem Law), 35460 points, 6626 turns, killed by a quasit, while praying 19:09 [US] [D]: squishy (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 415 points, 1305 turns, killed by a boulder (and one other game not reported) 19:12 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #tnnt 19:13 [EU] [D]: aoei (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1875 points, 1933 turns, killed by a panther (and one other game not reported) 19:14 [US] rancat (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:23374 19:17 [US] [D]: squishy (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 42 points, 396 turns, fell into a pit (and 2 other games not reported) 19:18 [US] charlie14690 (Cav Hum Fem Neu) genocided class m, on T:28764 19:19 [EU] [D]: aoei (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1034 points, 1644 turns, killed by a giant mimic (and 5 other games not reported) 19:20 [US] cathartes (Bar Hum Fem Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Crom, on T:10831 19:21 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:21 [US] rebrane (Ran Elf Mal Cha) destroyed SludgeGunkman's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:1990 19:21 [US] spazm (Tou Hum Fem Neu) had Vorpal Blade bestowed upon her by The Lady, on T:8542 19:22 [US] [D]: lispwitch (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 235 points, 1635 turns, fell into a pit of iron spikes 19:22 -!- efot has joined #tnnt 19:23 [US] efot (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:38007 19:23 -!- raisse has joined #tnnt 19:24 [US] joq (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:13493 19:24 [US] [D]: jackofclubs (Ran Orc Mal Cha), 818 points, 3130 turns, killed by a giant bat 19:25 [US] [D]: bleeko (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1350 points, 3084 turns, killed by an arrow 19:25 [US] [D]: disperse (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 353 points, 1160 turns, killed by a land mine 19:25 [US] efot (Hea Gno Fem Neu) has entered the Arena, on T:38206 19:26 [EU] aoei (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur, on T:1550 19:26 [US] efot (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed DoktorL the Raider in a deathmatch, on T:38226 19:27 -!- spontiff has joined #tnnt 19:29 -!- efot has quit [Quit: Client closed] 19:29 [EU] [D]: dedal (Val Dwa Fem Law), 124 points, 2563 turns, killed by a guard 19:29 -!- efot has joined #tnnt 19:29 [US] mracich (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Orcus, on T:119204 19:30 [US] [D]: bleeko (Arc Hum Mal Law), 247 points, 230 turns, killed by a jackal 19:30 [EU] [Q]: aoei (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1313 points, 2132 turns, quit (and 2 other games not reported) 19:30 [US] elmegil (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) rejected atheism by offering a rothe corpse on an altar of Anhur, on T:4458 19:31 [US] rebrane (Ran Elf Mal Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:2738 19:32 [US] tjw (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:22441 19:32 <@Loggers_VIII> $time 19:32 @Loggers_VIII: 2024-11-29 19:32:30 UTC. 2024 Tournament closes in 1d 04:27:30 19:32 -!- wop has joined #tnnt 19:33 [EU] [D]: dedal (Val Dwa Fem Law), 87 points, 2411 turns, killed by a kobold (and 21 other games not reported) 19:34 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #tnnt 19:34 -!- ais523 has joined #tnnt 19:36 [US] [D]: cathartes (Bar Hum Fem Neu), 34947 points, 12141 turns, killed by a leocrotta 19:37 [US] charlie14690 (Cav Hum Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible Vlad the Impaler, on T:29312 19:37 [US] charlie14690 (Cav Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:29314 19:37 [EU] [D]: aoei (Val Dwa Fem Law), 3040 points, 1712 turns, killed by a water moccasin 19:38 [EU] dedal (Val Dwa Fem Law) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a newt corpse, on T:3299 19:39 [US] DekaFumoPuzzle (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Croesus, on T:26078 19:41 [US] efot (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor (10 times), on T:38760 19:42 [EU] aoei (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur, on T:1826 19:42 [US] jmcunx (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) found kitten, on T:1006 19:42 [US] spazm (Tou Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:11447 19:43 [US] [D]: squishy (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 132 points, 1401 turns, killed by boiling potions (and one other game not reported) 19:44 [EU] Shunya (Cav Dwa Mal Law) genocided mind flayer, on T:36882 19:44 [US] efot (Hea Gno Fem Neu) entered the Planes, on T:38995 19:46 hm. throne genocide 19:47 [US] [D]: jmcunx (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 454 points, 1549 turns, killed by a gecko 19:47 I never genocide anything 19:47 but this run has been kind of cursed, and I should probably take any advantage I can get... 19:48 so soldier ants it is ? 19:48 hehe, blankman 19:48 3.6 doesn't have the green Q, whatchamacalits... 19:48 so not those 19:48 [EU] [Q]: aoei (Val Dwa Fem Law), 4424 points, 3265 turns, quit 19:48 I really have it in for energy vortices, so that's probably the default 19:49 green Q are genetic engineers, right 19:50 need to take a break and stretch a bit... damn fingers are seizing up 19:50 it is about freezing here, aoei. I sympathise 19:51 trying for nudist vegan MR-less and reflectionless, so black dragons would probably be a wise choice 19:51 [US] [D]: squishy (Cav Hum Fem Law), 337 points, 875 turns, killed by a falling rock 19:51 [EU] Shunya (Cav Dwa Mal Law) destroyed the invisible Vlad the Impaler, on T:36979 19:51 [EU] Shunya (Cav Dwa Mal Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:36981 19:52 [US] elron (Val Hum Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:27985 19:52 it's just... any one monster I pick is going to seem like weak tea 19:53 [EU] Kontroller (Bar Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming an umber hulk, on T:7130 19:53 compared to conduct preservation 19:53 [US] WizardOfPoland (Hea Gno Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed greased fixed +2 speed boots", on T:40348 19:53 it's a pity you can't genocide wands of lightning 19:53 ok heck it let's try another one 19:53 [US] [D]: bleeko (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 611 points, 1532 turns, killed by an invisible water demon 19:53 heh, it is indeed, ais523 19:53 [US] [D]: lispwitch (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 3503 points, 2334 turns, killed by a gnome 19:53 or polytraps 19:54 [US] tjw (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "magic marker", on T:23118 19:54 I find polytraps so frustrating – they're *almost* a fun mechanic but the item destruction unbalances the game 19:55 I'd assume nudists would care about them less, but if you're relying on riding, that could be a problem 19:55 for me, they ruin my warhorses 19:55 [EU] [E]: spontiff (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 150967 points, 47051 turns, escaped 19:55 [US] [D]: elmegil (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 7013 points, 5658 turns, killed by a dwarf 19:55 right 19:55 the issue there is partly that monster polymorph doesn't time out 19:55 oof, my blessed smoky is blessed invisibility, gotta grab a mummy wrapping if i ever want to shop again 19:55 mummy wrappings are common, at least 19:55 [EU] dedal (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (disenchanter), on T:10198 19:56 [US] efot (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed Death, on T:39469 19:56 I yolo-quaffed blessed invis early this game, so not much shopping for me 19:56 hmm, are there any potions that are truly dangerous when blessed? 19:56 paralysis maybe? 19:57 if you have the water, it's better than not-blessed in all cases except invis 19:57 right, that one needs precautions 19:57 tinklebear: for quaffing, yes – some potions are best thrown uncursed, but people generally don't throw potions anyway 19:57 (as far as I can think of) 19:57 (if you try to throw a cursed potion, it slips sometimes, making it usually less good than the uncursed version) 19:57 [EU] dedal (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur, on T:10636 19:58 ah, right. for thrown, that is a good point ais 19:58 -!- Haudegen has quit [Quit: Bin weg.] 19:58 this is something I've been going back and forth on – should thrown attack potions be more hurtful to monsters if blessed or if cursed? 19:59 I've even wondered whether it should be alignment-based, i.e. cursed potions do more damage to lawfuls but blessed potions do more damage to chaotics 19:59 the way it is (or at least the way I assume it is) is that what's good for goose is good for gander 19:59 [US] [D]: post163 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 281 points, 1216 turns, killed by a gnome (and one other game not reported) 19:59 ...and that seems like a good way to do it 19:59 [EU] [D]: aoei (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1094 points, 1667 turns, killed by a manes, while frozen by a monster's gaze (and 8 other games not reported) 19:59 not sure about the alignment thing, though. interesting idea 20:00 Hourly Stats at 2024-11-29 20:00 UTC: Games: 79, Asc: 0, Scum: 48. 1d 01:37 gametime. (65%Fem), 1d 03:59 remaining. 20:00 -!- spontiff has quit [Quit: Client closed] 20:00 [US] [A]: efot (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 1931654 points, 39527 turns, ascended (and one other game not reported) https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/e/efot/tnnt/dumplog/1732707259.tnnt.html 20:00 [US] [D]: rebrane (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 8860 points, 6028 turns, killed by a giant spider 20:01 gg efot 20:01 ty 20:01 thanks for the wand of sleep I took from the swap chest earlier – I actually needed that, had typo-broken all my enchantment wands and was struggling with minotaurs 20:01 congratulations, efot 20:01 ah nice, glad I could help 20:01 grats efot 20:02 thanks :) 20:02 particularly grateful someone likes healers, they are my least favorite 20:02 and the tournament ends the way it started, with a new moon 20:02 I complain about polytraps, but I also appreciate the work they do, in keeping me from getting complacent 20:03 re potions: last game my smokies were polymorph, fortunately i wanted to do some polyselfing anyways 20:03 "oh, I've got my OP horsey now, nothing to now but prance to victory" 20:03 *nothing to do now but... 20:03 -!- Bleeko_ has joined #tnnt 20:04 [EU] [D]: aoei (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1458 points, 1382 turns, killed by a Woodland-elf (and one other game not reported) 20:05 -!- wop has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:05 -!- wop has joined #tnnt 20:06 -!- Bleeko has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:06 [US] WizardOfPoland (Hea Gno Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 cloak of protection", on T:40388 20:06 ais523: throwing cursed potions isn't reliable anyway, so doing more damage maybe balances that out (you can hit with them wielded) 20:06 [US] WizardOfPoland (Hea Gno Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 gauntlets of power", on T:40391 20:07 [US] WizardOfPoland (Hea Gno Mal Neu) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:40394 20:07 one of my favorite things I did with a potion was when I hit the Cyclops with a potion of polymorph...turning him into a grid bug 20:07 hah! 20:08 and I guess to prevent potions of healing from killing monsters, it resolved the potion effect before the glass damage 20:08 cathartes: well I want to make thrown potions actually usable for anything 20:08 so the breaking glass killed my nemesis the grid bug 20:08 [EU] Furey (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed +3 green dragon scale mail", on T:13870 20:08 OK, so thrown paralysis does sometimes do things even nowadays, but it isn't very commonly used 20:08 efot: did you get Some Nemesis You Are for that? 20:08 [US] tjw (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:23436 20:08 it wasn't during the tournament sadly 20:09 [US] DekaFumoPuzzle (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) had Dragonbane bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:27901 20:09 [US] WizardOfPoland (Hea Gno Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:40395 20:10 [EU] [D]: aoei (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1948 points, 1797 turns, killed by a water moccasin 20:10 I always throw potions, never wield them 20:11 *i never wield them 20:11 (except to uncurse them) 20:11 (or to dilute them at a rust trap) 20:12 -!- wop has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:12 -!- wop has joined #tnnt 20:12 [US] elron (Val Hum Fem Neu) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:29286 20:13 [US] elron (Val Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (disenchanter), on T:29288 20:15 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:16 -!- wop has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:16 -!- wop has joined #tnnt 20:17 yikes blue dragon in the mines, breathed lightning ... /oTeleport time 20:18 [EU] ais523 (Cav Hum Mal Law) destroyed disperse's ghost, the former Rhizotomist, on T:2064 20:19 $lastgame disperse 20:19 ais523: [US] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/d/disperse/tnnt/dumplog/1732906542.tnnt.html 20:19 [US] Grouchy (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered Gehennom, on T:35109 20:20 [EU] [D]: aoei (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2262 points, 2812 turns, killed by a wolf 20:21 [US] [D]: lispwitch (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 148 points, 1070 turns, killed by a fox 20:21 [US] rebrane (Ran Elf Mal Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1910 20:21 [US] [D]: elmegil (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 447 points, 1423 turns, killed by a brown mold 20:22 -!- wop has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:22 [US] elron (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Lord Surtur, on T:29965 20:22 -!- wop has joined #tnnt 20:22 [US] DekaFumoPuzzle (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:28833 20:22 [EU] [D]: aoei (Val Dwa Fem Law), 392 points, 424 turns, killed by a giant bat (and 6 other games not reported) 20:23 throwing a potion takes only one move (no need to re-wield anything else), and removes (instead of amplifying) the target's AC advantage 20:23 and only penalises you for bad dexterity, which you can account for in advance 20:23 [US] elron (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:30027 20:23 like, "my dex sucks/rock. this is a bad/good bet" 20:24 *sucks/rocks 20:24 [US] spazm (Tou Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming an orc-captain, on T:14863 20:25 [US] [D]: lispwitch (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 127 points, 511 turns, killed by a bat 20:26 -!- wop has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:26 -!- wop has joined #tnnt 20:26 [EU] [D]: Kontroller (Bar Hum Mal Cha), 18173 points, 9821 turns, killed by a boiling potion 20:28 [US] GrmlyFndsh (Kni Hum Mal Law) had Grayswandir bestowed upon him by Lugh, on T:18018 20:28 [US] mracich (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Giantslayer bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:120951 20:30 -!- wop has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:30 [US] [D]: lispwitch (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 62 points, 602 turns, killed by a kobold zombie, while praying 20:30 [EU] [D]: aoei (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1413 points, 2756 turns, killed by a water demon 20:30 -!- wop has joined #tnnt 20:30 [EU] Shunya (Cav Dwa Mal Law) wished for "magic marker", on T:37261 20:31 -!- Tangles has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:32 [US] elron (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:30796 20:33 -!- Tangles has joined #tnnt 20:33 -!- mode/#tnnt [+o Tangles] by ChanServ 20:33 [EU] ais523 (Cav Hum Mal Law) made his first wish - "blessed fixed greased +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:3538 20:34 -!- Arseniy has joined #tnnt 20:34 [US] SkydiveMike (Mon Hum Mal Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 125 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:105059 20:35 [US] oh6 (Ran Orc Fem Cha) destroyed elmegil's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:7716 20:35 how about "my dex of 3 sucks rocks" 20:36 -!- wop has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:36 -!- wop has joined #tnnt 20:38 [EU] [Q]: aoei (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1211 points, 2026 turns, quit 20:39 [EU] ais523 (Cav Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed fireproof +3 apron", on T:3987 20:39 lol, aosdict 20:39 [US] spazm (Tou Hum Mal Neu) removed charlie14690's uncursed +0 cloak of magic resistance from the swap chest, on T:17059 20:40 hmm, I'm not sure I've ever wished for that before (in an attempt to guarantee ascension, not an achievement thing) 20:40 main threat to the run right now is poison res, and it could potentially be an asc kit component 20:40 I got +0, though :-( 20:41 -!- wop has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:41 it's prepared for disenchanters 20:41 -!- wop has joined #tnnt 20:42 I wonder if "successfully wish for +5 on an item" should be a tnnt achievement 20:42 please no 20:42 [US] [D]: aosdict (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 3137 points, 197 turns, killed by a giant spider 20:43 would be right in line with the "successfully cast a spell with 95% failure rate" one 20:43 we like: leeroy jenkins because that involves skill and risk 20:43 LEEROY JENKINS! 20:43 best ever 20:43 we don't like: setting up a 5% chance and manually doing "take 20" or "take 200" shots at it 20:43 [EU] [D]: aoei (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1027 points, 1652 turns, killed by a plains centaur 20:44 I thought you loved all achievements so much you did them twice? 20:44 lol 20:44 [US] spazm (Tou Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:17687 20:44 nah, i couldn't stand being number 3 on the most-in-one-game board 20:45 perhaps like you felt when aoei took billdacat's title 20:45 [US] [D]: rebrane (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 7567 points, 3952 turns, killed by a leocrotta 20:46 [US] WizardOfPoland (Hea Gno Mal Neu) wished for "blessed ring of teleport control", on T:41250 20:47 [US] [D]: aosdict (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 904 points, 143 turns, killed by an ogre king (and one other game not reported) 20:47 [US] rebrane (Ran Elf Mal Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:345 20:48 [US] elron (Val Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +2 speed boots", on T:32219 20:50 [EU] [D]: post163 (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 169 points, 922 turns, killed by a bat 20:51 [US] WizardOfPoland (Hea Gno Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:41446 20:51 [US] WizardOfPoland (Hea Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:41447 20:52 [EU] ais523 (Cav Hum Mal Law) removed Unguarded1765's blessed +1 pair of jumping boots from the swap chest, on T:5178 20:53 [US] [D]: aosdict (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 3088 points, 259 turns, killed by a dog 20:55 [EU] ais523 (Cav Hum Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:5386 20:56 -!- wop has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:56 -!- wop has joined #tnnt 20:56 [EU] aoei (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur, on T:1840 20:56 [US] elron (Val Hum Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:33068 20:58 [US] [D]: aosdict (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 229 points, 159 turns, killed by an orcish dagger 21:00 Hourly Stats at 2024-11-29 21:00 UTC: Games: 30, Asc: 1, Scum: 9. 0d 16:28 gametime. (57%Law), 1d 02:59 remaining. 21:00 [US] spazm (Tou Hum Mal Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon him by The Lady, on T:20927 21:00 [US] elron (Val Hum Fem Neu) removed spazm's blessed +0 cloak of protection from the swap chest, on T:33348 21:01 -!- wop has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:01 [US] [D]: SludgeGunkman (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 413 points, 632 turns, killed by a little dog (and one other game not reported) 21:01 -!- wop has joined #tnnt 21:02 [US] spazm (Tou Hum Mal Neu) became The Lady's Envoy of Balance, on T:21722 21:03 [US] [D]: lispwitch (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 3661 points, 2571 turns, killed by a crossbow bolt 21:04 [EU] [Q]: aoei (Val Dwa Fem Law), 4550 points, 4012 turns, quit (and one other game not reported) 21:05 $lastgame squishy 21:05 ais523: [US] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/s/squishy/tnnt/dumplog/1732909633.tnnt.html 21:05 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:06 [EU] ais523 (Cav Hum Mal Law) destroyed squishy's ghost, the former Troglodyte, on T:6317 21:06 [EU] ais523 (Cav Hum Mal Law) destroyed SludgeGunkman's ghost, the former Evoker, on T:6323 21:06 $lastgame SludgeGunkman 21:06 ais523: [US] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/S/SludgeGunkman/tnnt/dumplog/1732906820.tnnt.html 21:06 [US] [D]: aosdict (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 6323 points, 278 turns, killed by a soldier 21:06 [US] WizardOfPoland (Hea Gno Mal Neu) wished for "wand of death", on T:41901 21:07 -!- wop has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:08 [EU] Kontroller (Bar Hum Mal Cha) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Set, on T:1915 21:08 -!- wop has joined #tnnt 21:08 [US] Leggman (Arc Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:13244 21:09 [EU] Shunya (Cav Dwa Mal Law) killed Baalzebub, on T:38226 21:09 [US] WizardOfPoland (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:42016 21:09 [US] WizardOfPoland (Hea Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:42020 21:10 [US] OmegaDino (Val Hum Fem Law) destroyed squishy's ghost, the former Troglodyte, on T:1297 21:10 that was probably the least dangerous double bones file I've ever encountered 21:10 there was a falling rock trap and a werejackal – that was it 21:10 as a dfver, I must ask: why are giant spiders and giant bats so dang common 21:10 [US] [D]: lispwitch (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 197 points, 547 turns, killed by a gnome 21:11 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 21:11 [US] [D]: aosdict (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 800 points, 120 turns, killed by a raven (and one other game not reported) 21:11 [US] [D]: OmegaDino (Val Hum Fem Law), 771 points, 1407 turns, killed by a kitten 21:11 aosdict: oddly the main obstacle to my dives has been iguanas 21:11 it may just be variance 21:11 I can usually outrun an iguana unless it corners me 21:11 [EU] Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu) destroyed lispwitch's ghost, the former Rambler, on T:1292 21:12 -!- raisse has joined #tnnt 21:12 spiders are fast, bats move stunned but are fast enough to make up for it 21:13 it feels like I encounter a giant spider twice as often as team a on the dives 21:13 [EU] ais523 (Cav Hum Mal Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon him by Anu, on T:6876 21:13 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 21:14 I was looking for a better weapon – I guess that counts? 21:14 +d8 damage is quite a lot in the early game 21:15 [US] WizardOfPoland (Hea Gno Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:42141 21:16 -!- wop has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:16 [EU] [D]: aoei (Val Dwa Fem Law), 429 points, 984 turns, killed by a bolt of fire (and one other game not reported) 21:16 -!- wop has joined #tnnt 21:18 [US] [D]: lispwitch (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 78 points, 106 turns, killed by a burning scroll 21:18 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:19 -!- Changesite has joined #tnnt 21:19 [US] AmElm (Mon Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:12641 21:19 [US] [D]: SludgeGunkman (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 478 points, 885 turns, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted dwarf 21:19 [US] elron (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased +2 cloak of magic resistance", on T:34496 21:20 when I say dive, I mean I am just digging a hole every floor with no concern for anything else 21:20 [US] WizardOfPoland (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:42230 21:20 [US] WizardOfPoland (Hea Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:42231 21:20 [US] [D]: SludgeGunkman (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 157 points, 149 turns, killed by a boulder 21:20 -!- stagnate has joined #tnnt 21:22 [EU] [D]: aoei (Val Dwa Fem Law), 726 points, 1287 turns, killed by a bugbear (and 3 other games not reported) 21:24 -!- wop has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:24 -!- wop has joined #tnnt 21:25 hmm found a bug (3.6 bug at least) 21:26 is it a bug og holding? 21:26 of 21:26 [US] [D]: OmegaDino (Val Hum Fem Law), 854 points, 2002 turns, killed by a giant bat 21:26 [US] [D]: SludgeGunkman (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 298 points, 641 turns, killed by a gnome lord 21:27 digging a hole in a shop: You dig a hole through the floor. You fall through... The adjacent object falls through the hole. You owe It 14 zorkmids for goods lost. 21:27 [US] [D]: karibou (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 13644 points, 9389 turns, killed by a master mind flayer 21:27 [US] [D]: rebrane (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 9110 points, 5113 turns, killed by a soldier ant 21:28 [EU] aoei (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur, on T:1913 21:28 [US] [D]: aosdict (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 739 points, 247 turns, killed by a Green-elf (and 2 other games not reported) 21:28 [US] allanb (Ran Orc Fem Cha) genocided class L, on T:60073 21:29 -!- wop has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:29 -!- wop has joined #tnnt 21:31 [EU] [D]: aoei (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2783 points, 2729 turns, poisoned by a killer bee (and 2 other games not reported) 21:31 -!- jientho has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:31 [US] elron (Val Hum Fem Neu) genocided class L, on T:34660 21:31 [US] [D]: SludgeGunkman (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 364 points, 424 turns, killed by a giant bat 21:32 -!- wop has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:33 -!- wop has joined #tnnt 21:33 [US] [D]: SludgeGunkman (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 126 points, 296 turns, killed by a coyote 21:33 [US] allanb (Ran Orc Fem Cha) killed the invisible Demogorgon, on T:60154 21:34 [US] allanb (Ran Orc Fem Cha) killed Orcus, on T:60162 21:35 [US] elron (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed magic marker", on T:34700 21:35 [EU] blankman (Rog Hum Fem Cha) found kitten, on T:31189 21:36 -!- wop has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:36 -!- wop has joined #tnnt 21:38 [US] [D]: aosdict (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 6353 points, 251 turns, killed by a black naga 21:39 [US] [D]: rebrane (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 653 points, 1377 turns, killed by a dwarf 21:39 [EU] aoei (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur, on T:3158 21:39 [EU] aoei (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming an iguana, on T:3185 21:40 [EU] aoei (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3370 21:41 -!- wop has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:41 -!- wop has joined #tnnt 21:41 ... do brown puddings do no damage? 21:42 <@Loggers_VIII> I don’t think they do 21:42 yeah I see they have 0d0 21:42 dang how am I supposed to get killed by one then 21:42 <@Loggers_VIII> choke on a glob 21:43 [EU] [Q]: aoei (Val Dwa Fem Law), 6523 points, 3827 turns, quit 21:43 <@Loggers_VIII> AGHHHHH shadow beat my time 21:43 oh you just noticed? 21:43 <@Loggers_VIII> I didn’t want to play tnnt anymore >:[ 21:43 lol. 21:44 I've been trying to get a run going but it's not going well 21:44 [US] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law) received Excalibur, on T:7858 21:44 i need sleep probably 21:44 keep screwing up things and rage quitting 21:44 <@Loggers_VIII> I think that time is out of the realm of possibility for current loggers 21:44 <@Loggers_VIII> @shadow_rider you bastarddddd :p 21:45 and/or just doing dumb stuff and dyin~ 21:45 [EU] Shunya (Cav Dwa Mal Law) killed Orcus, on T:38720 21:45 yah im gonna call it a night 21:45 [US] [D]: aosdict (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 8550 points, 302 turns, killed by a shocking sphere (and one other game not reported) 21:45 [US] [D]: rebrane (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 373 points, 1187 turns, killed by a kitten 21:45 <@Loggers_VIII> night aoei 21:46 [US] GrmlyFndsh (Kni Hum Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:25962 21:46 * aosdict throws a potion of sleeping at aoei 21:47 [EU] [D]: Kontroller (Bar Hum Mal Cha), 13373 points, 7471 turns, petrified by a chickatrice 21:47 [US] elron (Val Hum Fem Neu) has entered the Arena, on T:35515 21:47 :) 21:47 -!- a-1 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:47 [US] [D]: OmegaDino (Val Hum Fem Law), 556 points, 1342 turns, killed by a death ray 21:48 [US] elron (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed xdminsy the High Priestess in a deathmatch, on T:35584 21:50 -!- wop has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:50 -!- wop has joined #tnnt 21:50 [US] [D]: aosdict (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 833 points, 337 turns, killed by a red naga 21:51 [US] WizardOfPoland (Hea Gno Mal Neu) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of gold detection", on T:43539 21:51 [US] WizardOfPoland (Hea Gno Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:43541 21:52 [US] Zolar (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Dark One, on T:37326 21:52 [US] Zolar (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:37330 21:53 [EU] ais523 (Cav Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:10952 21:54 -!- wop has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:54 -!- wop has joined #tnnt 21:56 -!- a-1 has joined #tnnt 21:58 [US] lispwitch (Val Dwa Fem Law) found kitten, on T:1286 21:58 [EU] ais523 (Cav Hum Mal Law) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon him by Anu, on T:11421 21:58 [US] tjw (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:24243 21:58 [US] elmegil (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:3985 21:59 [US] a1 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (master mind flayer), on T:12699 22:00 Hourly Stats at 2024-11-29 22:00 UTC: Games: 43, Asc: 0, Scum: 9. 50642 turns, 84989 points. (59%Law), 1d 01:59 remaining. 22:00 [US] SludgeGunkman (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) made his first wish - "wand of undead turning", on T:1768 22:01 -!- wop has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:01 -!- wop has joined #tnnt 22:01 14:51 <@shadow_rider> loggers is gonna kill me when he sees 22:01 :-P 22:04 sleep tight, aoei 22:04 [US] [D]: aosdict (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 1693 points, 472 turns, killed by a DevTeam member called ais523, while sleeping 22:05 -!- wop has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:05 -!- wop has joined #tnnt 22:07 [US] [D]: aosdict (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 604 points, 107 turns, killed by a black unicorn 22:07 [US] peterg (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Vorpal Blade bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:41603 22:08 [US] WizardOfPoland (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed Famine, on T:43805 22:08 maybe not as tight as aosdict, however. don't want to get throttled by ais 22:08 I know, how dare he 22:08 -!- Changesite has quit [Quit: Changesite] 22:09 he even did the annoying "check out my cool katana" thing before he killed me with it 22:09 [US] SludgeGunkman (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) murdered his faithful kitten, on T:2435 22:09 [US] [D]: lispwitch (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2873 points, 2053 turns, killed by an orc-captain 22:09 lol 22:10 -!- wop has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:10 -!- wop has joined #tnnt 22:10 -!- efot has quit [Quit: Client closed] 22:11 [US] [D]: aosdict (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 698 points, 322 turns, killed by an elven arrow 22:12 [US] WizardOfPoland (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed Pestilence, on T:43857 22:12 aosdict: was that a unique deaths attempt? 22:13 attempt? it was a success 22:13 attempts are allowed to succeed 22:14 -!- wop has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:14 [US] [D]: aosdict (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 1137 points, 160 turns, killed by a giant eel 22:15 -!- wop has joined #tnnt 22:15 $lastgame aosdict 22:15 tinklebear: [US] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/a/aosdict/tnnt/dumplog/1732918286.tnnt.html | [EU] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/a/aosdict/tnnt/dumplog/1731970146.tnnt.html 22:15 [US] tjw (Val Dwa Fem Law) bribed Baalzebub with 214 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:24698 22:16 [US] WizardOfPoland (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed Death, on T:43908 22:17 [US] Unguarded1765 (Kni Hum Mal Law) has entered the Arena, on T:53935 22:17 [US] [D]: rebrane (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 566 points, 1699 turns, killed by a gnome 22:18 [EU] askhl (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed Nalzok, on T:27372 22:18 [US] [D]: SludgeGunkman (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1096 points, 2995 turns, killed by a plains centaur 22:18 tinklebear: unfortunately the problem with $lastgame'ing a unique death attempter is they probably already have an unrelated game finished by now 22:18 [US] [D]: OmegaDino (Val Hum Fem Law), 2568 points, 4337 turns, killed by a soldier ant 22:18 [EU] Furey (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:21711 22:18 "It looks rather muddy down here." 22:18 [EU] askhl (Pri Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:27373 22:19 [US] WizardOfPoland (Hea Gno Mal Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Hermes, on T:43942 22:19 [US] stoicjin (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:30934 22:19 [US] Zolar (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) removed elron's uncursed +0 pair of gauntlets of power from the swap chest, on T:38897 22:19 you'll need to die faster for that, aosdict :P 22:19 [EU] Noisytoot (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) murdered his faithful large cat, on T:29928 22:19 [US] [A]: WizardOfPoland (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 2089678 points, 43944 turns, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/W/WizardOfPoland/tnnt/dumplog/1732030731.tnnt.html 22:19 TOURNAMENT MILESTONE: One billion nethack points scored. 22:20 <[> I keep accidentally magic-missiling my pets 22:20 it happened to me a bunch with rt run attempts as well tinklebear, because by the time somebody $lastgame'd an interesting splat, i'd already been scumming a few times for Con for the next run :p 22:20 [US] [D]: elmegil (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 8901 points, 5399 turns, killed by an Uruk-hai called Othogbane of Haiairukog 22:20 [EU] Furey (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a tengu, on T:21769 22:21 blink and you'll miss it 22:21 vroom 22:21 -!- eitbo has joined #tnnt 22:21 [US] [D]: SludgeGunkman (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 367 points, 501 turns, killed by a gas spore's explosion 22:21 :) 22:21 [US] Unguarded1765 (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed Athor the Student of Waters in a deathmatch, on T:53994 22:22 congratulations, wop 22:22 "f - an uncursed +5 unicorn horn named Poker" 22:22 :3 22:23 [EU] [D]: Furey (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 55458 points, 21774 turns, committed suicide (and 3 other games not reported) 22:24 -!- Magus has joined #tnnt 22:24 [US] [D]: aosdict (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 457 points, 311 turns, killed by a dwarf 22:24 $lastgame Furey 22:24 tinklebear: [US] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/F/Furey/tnnt/dumplog/1732802303.tnnt.html | [EU] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/F/Furey/tnnt/dumplog/1732886893.tnnt.html 22:25 -!- wop has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:25 neat-o 22:25 $setmintc 500000 22:25 -!- wop has joined #tnnt 22:25 (unsure if this works on Croesus) 22:25 "To what level do you want to teleport? 0" 22:25 i guess we'll see tomorrow if i keep spamming up the chat with my Excal gets etc. 22:25 "Go to Nowhere. Are you sure? [ynq] (q) y" 22:25 "You scream in agony as your body begins to warp... You cease to exist." 22:26 tinklebear: rough way to go :O 22:26 [US] allanb (Ran Orc Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:63004 22:26 cool part was the convenient levelport trap two tiles from the swap chest 22:26 [US] stoicjin (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:31788 22:26 tinklebear: thanks 22:26 [EU] Noisytoot (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) averted death (burned by molten lava), on T:30482 22:26 [US] allanb (Ran Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:63006 22:26 i didn't have teleport control but i had a polykit 22:26 <[> I need to set a msgtype on spellcasting failures 22:26 [US] rebrane (Ran Elf Mal Cha) destroyed rebrane's ghost, the former Lookout, on T:2430 22:27 MSGTYPE=stopfailing! 22:27 :v 22:27 [US] [D]: jmcunx (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 346 points, 1785 turns, killed by a Keystone Kop 22:27 :D 22:27 [US] [D]: eitkrog (Sam Hum Mal Law), 11311 points, 8371 turns, killed by a fire ant 22:27 grats wop was that big horn yours 22:28 <[> I think I lost my BoH with most of my stuff in it to that lava 22:28 <@Loggers_VIII> aoei: as far as I can tell setmintc is not real for croesus 22:28 ach, Noisytoot, that's brutal 22:28 aoei: +5 Poker? 22:28 <@Loggers_VIII> I tried to do it earlier in the tourney with no effect 22:28 wop: yeh 22:28 +5 means its BIG right 22:28 Mine, yeah. 22:29 Loggers let me try 22:29 Hey, it could be +7 on a better day! 22:29 [US] [D]: aosdict (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 5168 points, 608 turns, killed by a lizard (and one other game not reported) 22:29 lolol 22:29 [US] Grouchy (Sam Hum Mal Law) made his first wish - "blessed amulet of life saving", on T:36610 22:30 [US] Grouchy (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed fireproof +2 pair of speed boots", on T:36611 22:31 now watch for aosdict's copycat suicide :) 22:31 <@Loggers_VIII> [: if you don’t quit that game you’re a better man than I :p 22:31 [EU] [D]: aoei (Val Dwa Fem Law), 718 points, 852 turns, killed by a giant spider 22:31 ok i guess it didn't work 22:31 grats on pulling off "committed suicide" Furey 22:32 that's not very easy (though that's partly because I refuse to outright quit a char that probably can't get any unique death quickly) 22:32 <@Loggers_VIII> I once committed suicide in evilhack when my game became unwinnable 22:32 Loggers but is [ a man tho 22:32 <@Loggers_VIII> aoei: yeah it’s noisytoot’s alt 22:33 surely [ is a piece of armour 22:33 the dungeon helped me, i got the crypt version of mines end so i had a levelport trap right next to the swap chest 22:33 [US] [D]: OmegaDino (Val Hum Fem Law), 405 points, 980 turns, killed by a kitten 22:33 <@Loggers_VIII> it is a weird nickname. he should have used ‘quiettoot’ 22:33 -!- Stumpfenstiel has joined #tnnt 22:33 [EU] [D]: ais523 (Cav Hum Mal Law), 127944 points, 15468 turns, petrified by Medusa 22:33 does he use [ when he's not being noisy 22:33 whoops 22:33 ah it's dlvl 20 there probably wasn't too much useful in that bag 22:34 [ why are you not noisy 22:34 make some noise 22:34 $lastgame ais523 22:34 tinklebear: [US] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/a/ais523/tnnt/dumplog/1732272110.tnnt.html | [EU] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/a/ais523/tnnt/dumplog/1732910522.tnnt.html | [AU] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/a/ais523/tnnt/dumplog/1732004963.tnnt.html 22:34 that game was going well until I got shafted to the Castle 22:34 then I forgot about Medusa while fighting the purple Ls 22:34 [US] OmegaDino (Val Hum Fem Law) murdered Bark, her faithful little dog, on T:123 22:34 did you run upstairs to flee and get turned to stone 22:34 because i gotta tell you 22:34 [US] [D]: OmegaDino (Val Hum Fem Law), 32 points, 133 turns, killed by a goblin 22:34 i did that a BUNCH of times myself 22:34 it's a peril 22:34 aoei: yes 22:34 although, it wasn't quite fleeing 22:34 I was chasing a purple L 22:35 purple-L surprise, even when not too surprising, can really throw a wrench onto the "don't forget to do such-and-such" stack 22:35 and didn't actually know how far below the Medusa level I was 22:35 [US] a1 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:17239 22:35 or, well, I would have if I had checked the dlvl number 22:35 purple-L at Castle is mean 22:35 there was a black dragon too 22:35 I think my 3 ascensions this month had no Castle purple-L 22:35 and as can be seen by the death message, I didn't have reflection 22:35 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #tnnt 22:36 I mean at some point I genocided L but I think always post-Castle 22:36 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Changing host] 22:36 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #tnnt 22:36 so I was busy trying to figure out how to not die to that, when two purple Ls turned up 22:36 [US] stoicjin (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:32747 22:36 I would have genocided L but didn't find/ID the scroll 22:36 two! 22:36 [US] stoicjin (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:32748 22:36 ais523: NetHack is a pretty mean game sometimes 22:36 [US] [D]: aosdict (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 936 points, 189 turns, killed by a wand 22:36 this was survivable with luck, and I had enough luck 22:36 funny how the game manages to tilt even experienced players 22:36 [US] [D]: SludgeGunkman (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1235 points, 1576 turns, killed by a rope golem 22:36 I think purple Ls are kinda whatever honestly 22:36 aside from nasties 22:37 just got distracted by three incredibly dangerous threats simultaneously (four if you count the minotaur) 22:37 I think in 3.7 they "fixed" the purple L thing so you don't get them at Castle anymore 22:37 [US] lispwitch (Tou Hum Fem Neu) found kitten, on T:2150 22:37 [US] Zolar (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:41291 22:37 I think that may have also been done so you don't get purple L in one of the themed rooms? 22:37 [US] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a water nymph, on T:53962 22:37 yes, it is as though simultaneous threats create just enough distraction... 22:37 altho possibly on rare occasions it can still happen if one of them drinks gain level? unsure.. 22:37 [US] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:53963 22:37 I don't think I'm tilted, anyway – some things tilt me but it's generally a run of not-enough-good-luck in the early game 22:38 yeah, they can also level up from fighting the soldiers since they grudge monsters that can be turned into zombies 22:38 oh, the level below Medusa was room-and-corridor, too 22:38 Pretty sure they don't drink gain level far away from you 22:38 that's probably what got me – if it had been a maze level it would have reminded me 22:38 amusingly this usually just leads to the soldiers killing the lich 22:38 not very good teamwork 22:38 Arseniy: I think they can 22:39 most monsters have a minimum range for using miscellaneous items 22:39 but I'm not sure whether it's to your actual position or your perceived position 22:39 [US] rebrane (Ran Elf Mal Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:3603 22:39 "gotta chase this purple-L" <-- kind of tilted, maybe? 22:39 [US] tjw (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed the invisible Vlad the Impaler, on T:25433 22:39 [US] [D]: aosdict (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 1503 points, 313 turns, killed by a raven 22:40 [US] allanb (Ran Orc Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:63252 22:40 [US] tjw (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:25437 22:40 [US] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:53971 22:40 but IDK. I'll take your word for it, ais, if you say you were in your right mind 22:40 it's not tilted, tilted is when you're making a string of bad decisions because you're in a bad mood 22:40 well why wouldn't you chase the guy 22:40 this was just being distracted, which is different 22:40 [US] [D]: rebrane (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 2420 points, 3646 turns, killed by an orc-captain 22:40 one bad decision is not tilt 22:40 seems like a distinction without a difference to me, but thank you for clarifying what people mean by the term, ais 22:40 [EU] [D]: Shunya (Cav Dwa Mal Law), 705476 points, 39033 turns, choked on a wraith corpse 22:41 there's a difference between being distracted and being angry lol 22:41 Every time I died this tournament, I started playing faster and more reckless. Got some decent times as a result. 22:41 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilt_(poker) 22:41 bad early game luck> yeah I mean as we've discussed many times, in normal play like, the early game is the hard part, and after you get over that hump most characters are "easily" winnable 22:41 both will kill you dead, Loggers 22:41 ahhh right i see what you mean I misunderstood 22:41 and both are the negation of "in your right mind" 22:41 the term has spread to a number of other games 22:41 I think I play better when I'm annoyed 22:41 ais523: heh it's from poker? 22:41 originally, yes 22:42 I love poker 22:42 oh it's actually first from pinball apparently 22:42 [US] [D]: OmegaDino (Val Hum Fem Law), 405 points, 1078 turns, killed by a wand 22:42 so says the wiki page anyway 22:42 yeah titlting the pinball machine makes all the controls stop working 22:42 [US] [D]: aosdict (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 760 points, 126 turns, killed by a freezing sphere 22:42 * tinklebear understood the term from pinball 22:42 so it's like when you punch it in frustration? 22:43 in pinball parlour, it punches you 22:43 in soviet pinball parlor? 22:43 I think that if your playstyle revolves around making clearminded and careful tactical decisions being angry is bad but otherwise it's not too disruptive 22:43 [US] [D]: elmegil (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 128 points, 599 turns, killed by a large mimic 22:44 it's not about frustration, it's about cheating ... knocking the pinball machine at certain times to affect the ball play 22:44 yeah nudging the machine is a whole thing 22:44 ...and it can nudge you back 22:44 nudging became such a widely used strategy that pinball video games actually started to incorporate it lol 22:45 [US] [D]: SludgeGunkman (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 380 points, 797 turns, killed by a kitten 22:45 besides anger i get imprinted. i was playing weaponless two games ago and last game i was doing 'w-' a lot. 22:45 weaponless really hammers that 'w-' into you, like a mantra 22:45 lol 22:46 this is why the only fair way to play pinball is with the machines all in a big row from wall to wall, flush against each others' sides 22:46 orc: are you ready to do this bro? 22:46 furey: yeah let me make sure i'm barehanded! 22:46 furey: wait, that was other!furey, i actually want to hit you with this big quarterstaff today 22:46 I had a weaponless wishless polyless atheist vegan genocideless petless elberethless guy get to gehennom yesterday but I got impatient and he died 22:46 haha furey 22:47 I remember seeing a pinball machine which would warn you both for tilting it, and for hitting the flippers too hard 22:47 that conduct combo sounds slightly more impressive than it actually is 22:47 mostly it was just warnings but occasionally I saw it remove lives from players who did it too much 22:47 yeah it's all fluff the conducts are easy 22:47 not sure if i ever actually played pinball or seen a machine in person in my entire life 22:47 [US] [D]: aosdict (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 2177 points, 215 turns, killed by an elf-lord 22:47 Arseniy: wishless+polyless is the hard part of that 22:48 I've played physical pinball machines but am not amazingly good at it 22:48 and that was a long time ago, somewhere around 20 years 22:48 I think pinball is a bit of a fading art 22:48 heck I've owned multiple pinball machines and they're still hard 22:49 the term "wizard mode" was first used in pinball, but it's not clear it's etymologically related to the NetHack version because the meaning is substantially different 22:49 but that's the fun part of it. 22:49 [US] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:54082 22:49 [US] stoicjin (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Famine, on T:33493 22:50 [US] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:54085 22:50 [US] [D]: SludgeGunkman (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 281 points, 492 turns, killed by a water demon 22:50 [US] [A]: stoicjin (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2049346 points, 33522 turns, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/s/stoicjin/tnnt/dumplog/1732580975.tnnt.html 22:51 but pinball is a decent metaphor for rogue-like games: without glass-off scumming, when you lose the ball, some machine have life-saving ... but most don't. 22:51 https://nhqdb.alt.org/?3494 22:52 lol :D 22:52 sokoban should just be a room with a hostile archon and the prize 22:52 [US] Leggman (Arc Hum Mal Law) had Grayswandir bestowed upon him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:18721 22:52 yikes 22:52 I'm the goat at sokoban and I hate it 22:53 the archon thing is a joke obviously but I would prefer if the puzzles were, like, an option 22:53 i like the zoo. it's different every time. it fulfills the promise of programmatically generated challenges. 22:53 [US] [D]: aosdict (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 450 points, 137 turns, killed by an orc-captain called Akhaiakh 22:53 maybe rabbit of caerbannog lair stands in as soko version of orctown 22:54 they are optional already, provided you're willing to forgo the prise 22:54 it should be a unique death to be killed by the orctown leader orc 22:54 hence not actually optional for most people 22:54 wait, how is soko not optional? 22:55 it's never technically not optional but there's no reason not to do it so you should do it 22:55 it's a dead end. it's filled with traps. clearly it is saying "TURN BACK NOW" 22:55 well how big a percentage of players skips it 22:55 TC runs skip it for obvious reasons 22:55 I mean how many runs have reflection and BoH before soko :P 22:55 I skip it on occasion 22:55 plus the food and rings and wands are great 22:56 I sometimes skip it if I have a run of good luck in the early game 22:56 I skip it if I have a BoH because I'm a reflection hater 22:56 or I pop in for some food and maybe the earth scrolls 22:56 I tend to skip it if I already have one or the other so as not to risk frustration 22:56 in casual games, anyway 22:56 I like variants where the prize is a choice 22:57 so you'll always get SOMETHING for your effort 22:57 i should slep for real this time, night all 22:57 seeya aoei 22:57 good night, aoei! 22:57 my issue with sokoban is just that it's not fun but I don't know how much of the playerbase echoes that sentiment 22:57 * aosdict hurls more potions of sleeping 22:57 before this month i thought nearly everyone attempted sokoban and some players just didn't bother to pick up the prize if it was duplicate 22:57 do not the complaints people had, about no-tele RFK, also apply to soko? 22:58 they are optional already, provided you're willing to forgo the prise ← the prize is actually generally less useful than the items you find on the way 22:58 I like the zoo but the puzzles are a real sleeper 22:58 in my recent speedrun I did 2 and a bit levels of Sokoban and then left 22:58 iunno if I'd say that, BoH is the most convenient item in the game 22:58 meh it depends a lot on the rings and wands you got 22:58 (I guess in most soko levels you can escape by digging, so there is that difference from RFK) 22:58 speaking of sleep, one of the things I always kinda wonder about nethack: 22:58 I mean, there are potions of speed, but those are optional 22:58 When does the player sleep?  What sorta super-meth are they on? 22:58 [US] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) wished for "very very 3 historic thoroughly cursed unlabeled fixed fireproof locked potions of gain level named fast getaway energy drink gives you wings", on T:54161 22:58 tinklebear: what were the complaints about no-tele rfk? 22:59 too dangerous 22:59 eitbo: I typically ascend in 7 hours or so, I don't need to sleep in that time 22:59 if you get 2 wands of striking, 2 wands that don't give a message when engraving, and 2 cursed rings and 2 rings that don't seem to do anything, then the prize is definitely better 22:59 and if you are having a long game, the character usually gets sleep resistance within the first few hours 22:59 if you die in rfk it's your fault for entering the portal :p 22:59 [US] charlie14690 (Cav Hum Mal Neu) killed Demogorgon, on T:30263 22:59 Loggers: I agree! 22:59 [US] charlie14690 (Cav Hum Mal Neu) killed Orcus, on T:30266 23:00 RFK is actually surprisingly dangerous because the code for spawning monsters looks for out-of-sight spaces 23:00 Hourly Stats at 2024-11-29 23:00 UTC: Games: 40, Asc: 2, Scum: 5. 194347 turns, 5078200 points. (37%Arc), 1d 00:59 remaining. 23:00 ais523 ok the science checks out :) 23:00 in RFK the entire area is in-sight, so monsters can spawn anywhere, including on top of oyu 23:00 [US] [D]: aosdict (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 1053 points, 147 turns, killed by an ape (and one other game not reported) 23:00 tinklebear: I think it's different for rfk than for some other stuff I dislike cause it's not like you just get dropped into rfk with no warning 23:00 my main complaint about no-tele RFK, though, is just that the no-tele flag is such a surprise 23:01 you're making what you think is a good play by teleporting away from dangerous monsters, and then suddenly you wasted a turn and a scroll 23:01 yeah I don't like no tele rfk just cause it seems like there's no reason for it to be that way 23:01 so it's a trap for unspoiled players 23:01 does that make soko a trap for spoiled ones? 23:01 one of the things I dislike about NetHack is parts of the game that are arbitrarly obtuse if unspoiled 23:02 priest donations are currently #1 on my hitlist there 23:02 I think for big, challenging special levels like medusa and the castle and ludios you can kinda infer that they're gonna be no teleport after you've already encountered a no tele level before 23:02 if fully spoiled, the mechanics are reasonable and mostly balanced (they could do with tweaks but aren't hugely wrong) 23:02 if not spoiled, it is almost impossible to learn how to do it correcctly from the game itself 23:02 tinklebear: what do you mean? 23:03 protection donations are impossibly obtuse for a new player, yeah 23:03 (there was an even bigger problem – foodpois from corpses – but I fixed that with extra messages for 3.6.something) 23:03 soko is a pretty dangerous place, that players seem to seek out, only to die there inordinately 23:03 and there is not even orcale consultation for them? 23:03 tinklebear: I mean, in the way that the entire game is dangerous for spoiled players, sure :P 23:04 (I've not performed a survey. I'm just pulling a sentiment out of my, er, pocket) 23:04 well, the mechanics are too "mechanical" – in theory you could fix it by having the Oracle say "donate 200 times your experience level but make sure it's at least ⅓ of your visible gold" but that hasn't been done because it'd sound ridiculous 23:04 just have it be a menu 23:04 I have a planned rewrite of the mechanics which comes to something very similar gameplay-wise but is fairer on new players 23:04 where it tells you how much to pay for each service 23:04 and allows mass-purchase of protection 23:05 [US] spazm (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the Master of Thieves, on T:30025 23:05 Loggers_VIII: right, that's the basis of what I'm doing 23:05 [US] spazm (Tou Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:30027 23:05 also add an uncursing/blessing service maybe 23:05 [US] Zolar (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:43361 23:05 ais523: "visible gold" shouldn't inform any gameplay decisions I think 23:05 and identifying service in shops 23:06 and uhm, object materials 23:06 <@Loggers_VIII> ^ PLEASE 23:06 except effects taking gold from your inventory 23:06 <@Loggers_VIII> object materials are soooooo fun 23:07 [US] peterg (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Lord Surtur, on T:43889 23:07 [US] [D]: aosdict (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 541 points, 108 turns, killed by a dart 23:07 [US] peterg (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:43891 23:08 [US] Grouchy (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:36874 23:08 <[> Loggers_VIII: ais523 told me you don't need most items to ascend. I will try to get the castle WoW and probably die, or try to get some unique death. 23:08 [US] Grouchy (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "magic marker", on T:36879 23:10 [US] tjw (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "magic marker", on T:26057 23:10 <@Loggers_VIII> I wish you luck then 23:11 [US] [D]: aosdict (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 1016 points, 167 turns, killed by a xan 23:11 good luck, Noisytoot. give em hell 23:11 <@Loggers_VIII> has anyone gotten the death where you teleport too high and fall to your death? 23:12 can't tell because the unique deaths page is borked (don't try to load it) 23:12 <[> aoei: I am non-binary but my character in this case is a man. I use this nick when I use the computer that I haven't set HexChat up on yet (mainly because ZNC has bad multi-device support by default) 23:14 [US] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:54653 23:15 shit 23:15 he stook they eye, had to do it 23:15 -s 23:15 Loggers_VII Furey got that not long ago? 23:15 [EU] askhl (Pri Elf Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:28482 23:15 [US] cathartes (Kni Hum Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:3205 23:16 <@Loggers_VIII> oh you are non-binary noisytoot? apologies 23:16 <@Loggers_VIII> idk why I thought you were a guy 23:16 it's in the backscroll 23:16 (the death where you teleport too high) 23:17 [AU] [D]: Cloudmillion (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1245 points, 1475 turns, killed by a dwarf 23:18 but teleport to level 0, like Furey just did, isn't really a falling death, is it? 23:18 oh... 23:18 more of a ... annihilation 23:18 <@Loggers_VIII> yeah that’s suicide that rips your body apart 23:19 -!- wop has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:19 [US] mracich (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:131386 23:19 [US] mracich (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:131387 23:19 -!- wop has joined #tnnt 23:20 [US] spazm (Tou Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:31518 23:20 so you need to levelport to a negative level to fall to your death? 23:20 [US] Aerre (Val Hum Fem Law) received Excalibur, on T:8253 23:21 [US] lispwitch (Tou Hum Fem Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:4690 23:21 [US] [D]: aosdict (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 1023 points, 256 turns, fell into a pit of iron spikes 23:21 [US] [D]: SludgeGunkman (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 2181 points, 1453 turns, killed by an explosion 23:22 [US] Grouchy (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed rustproof +2 gauntlets of power", on T:36883 23:22 that is my understanding, mobileuser. but I've only read about it in the wiki 23:22 [US] Grouchy (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "magic marker", on T:36888 23:23 thx, TIL 23:23 [US] Grouchy (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of enchant weapon", on T:36917 23:24 <@Loggers_VIII> yeah, and past a certain point you go to heaven 23:24 [US] [D]: Qwesti (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 15134 points, 10843 turns, killed by a black dragon 23:25 [US] cathartes (Kni Hum Mal Law) made his first wish - "2 blessed scroll of charging named early WoW but I'm not trying to ascend", on T:4219 23:26 [US] spazm (Tou Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:31648 23:26 [US] spazm (Tou Hum Mal Neu) genocided class h, on T:31649 23:26 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 23:26 it's a 0:3 WoW when I'm trying to get a unique death 23:26 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 23:26 [US] [D]: aosdict (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 764 points, 120 turns, killed by a quasit (and one other game not reported) 23:27 -!- wop has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:28 -!- wop has joined #tnnt 23:28 help my character is an idiot and cannot stop messing up elbereths 23:28 [US] crunchbubba (Ran Gno Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:52755 23:29 [EU] [D]: xororand (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1038 points, 2632 turns, killed by a gnome mummy, while frozen by a potion (and one other game not reported) 23:30 [US] [D]: aosdict (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 849 points, 155 turns, killed by an ape, while sleeping (and one other game not reported) 23:30 as a noted idiot i prefer to abstain from elbereth entirely 23:31 [US] cathartes (Kni Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed wand of undead turning named revive my warhorse", on T:4252 23:32 [US] AmElm (Mon Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed greased bag of holding", on T:15435 23:32 ughhhh time to try and get a good time 23:32 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 23:32 [US] [D]: Xonovelixi (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 899 points, 2003 turns, killed by a rothe 23:34 [US] cathartes (Kni Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed marker named swapchest donation", on T:4394 23:34 [US] [D]: Loggers (Val Hum Fem Law), 541 points, 595 turns, killed by a gnome (and one other game not reported) 23:34 [US] cathartes (Kni Hum Mal Law) wished for "uncursed marker named another swapchest donation", on T:4397 23:35 [US] [D]: aosdict (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 4218 points, 255 turns, killed by a plains centaur 23:35 [US] cathartes (Kni Hum Mal Law) wished for "uncursed marker named yet another swapchest donation", on T:4398 23:35 [US] SludgeGunkman (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) destroyed OmegaDino's ghost, the former Skirmisher, on T:1051 23:35 [US] [D]: SludgeGunkman (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 722 points, 1065 turns, killed by a kitten 23:36 [US] [D]: Loggers (Cav Hum Fem Neu), 549 points, 520 turns, killed by a gnome king 23:37 [US] rebrane (Ran Elf Mal Cha) destroyed Cloudmillion's ghost, the former Skirmisher, on T:3030 23:38 [US] [D]: SludgeGunkman (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 17 points, 219 turns, killed by a goblin 23:38 [US] [D]: elmegil (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 4809 points, 3455 turns, killed by a soldier ant 23:38 -!- Arseniy has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:39 [EU] Loggers (Val Hum Fem Law) destroyed SludgeGunkman's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:811 23:39 [US] cathartes (Kni Hum Mal Law) wished for "bear trap named death", on T:4473 23:40 [US] [D]: elmegil (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 33 points, 114 turns, killed by a falling rock 23:40 "bear trap named death" 23:41 [US] spazm (Tou Hum Mal Neu) has entered the Arena, on T:32877 23:41 ... I haz questions. 23:41 i know, right? 23:41 [US] tjw (Val Dwa Fem Law) removed cathartes' blessed magic marker (0:59) from the swap chest, on T:27158 23:41 [EU] Loggers (Val Hum Fem Law) received Excalibur, on T:1513 23:42 I look fwd to seeing how that game ends, I guess? 23:42 [AU] Cloudmillion (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed OmegaDino's ghost, the former Skirmisher, on T:3177 23:42 <[> I don't think there's a "teleported out of the dungeon and fell to his death" unique death yet, so I could do that 23:42 [US] spazm (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed stenno the Warrior in a deathmatch, on T:32972 23:43 -!- wop has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:43 [AU] Cloudmillion (Val Hum Fem Neu) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:3291 23:43 [US] peterg (Val Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed ring of teleport control", on T:45443 23:44 -!- wop has joined #tnnt 23:44 [EU] Loggers (Val Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:2157 23:44 [US] [D]: cathartes (Kni Hum Mal Law), 3742 points, 4731 turns, killed by leg damage from being pulled out of a bear trap 23:45 $lastgame cathartes 23:45 tinklebear: [US] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/c/cathartes/tnnt/dumplog/1732919625.tnnt.html 23:45 I mean I intend to get it 23:45 eitbo: here's your answer. 23:45 and identifying service in shops ← I feel like this one specifically is a mistake – the way to fix gameplay mechanics that aren't working properly isn't to outright make them irrelevant, it's to make them work properly 23:46 [US] [D]: SludgeGunkman (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 501 points, 674 turns, killed by an arrow 23:46 ais523: "visible gold" shouldn't inform any gameplay decisions I think ← it at least shouldn't be something that can be trivially worked around by dropping or bagging the gold 23:47 I'm ok with bagging being a protection against, like, leprechaun theft 23:47 although, NetHack already has other mechanics like that, such as visible pick-axes for shops 23:47 [EU] askhl (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:29379 23:47 but demon princes using visible gold for bribing is silly 23:47 I am less OK with "just bag everything" as the default solution to all item destruction, a) it's tedious, b) it has negative side effects in making escape items harder to use 23:47 because it is almost always correct to bag them, but then it takes a turn to unbag them when you need to use them 23:47 indeed, lowly vault guards can tell you have hidden gold 23:48 eitbo: the problem with demon princes is that the guard is willing to wait and the demon interaction happens immediately 23:48 I'm slightly reluctant to change the demon bribe rules just because of how spectacularly wrong it went when Un tried that 23:48 those guards are uncanny! 23:48 have you looked at xnh bribe changes? they demand valuable items and artifacts 23:49 I'm aware of the change but haven't figured out how it plays 23:49 a much harder choice if they decide they want your boh 23:49 it wouldn't make much sense in vanilla because bribing them is basically just convenience there 23:49 you have to make the bribe something that you're actually willing to do 23:50 [US] [D]: stoicjin (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 1072 points, 1227 turns, killed by a dwarf 23:50 also, there is also the issue that if you do that it will be "optimal" to carry multiple BoHs around so that you don't lose so much offering it as a bribe 23:50 [US] [D]: aosdict (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 1037 points, 180 turns, killed by a warg 23:50 [US] lispwitch (Tou Hum Fem Neu) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a winter wolf cub corpse, on T:7986 23:50 [US] timecrystal (Tou Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:79172 23:50 [US] timecrystal (Tou Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:79173 23:50 if NetHack is a mechanic, and there is a stupid degenerate way to avoid that mechanic hurting the player, someone will do it 23:50 [US] ChongLi (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:17954 23:50 they don't specifically go for bohs. they will calculate the value of the stuff inside each container you're carrying, so if you have a "main" boh, they will be way more likely to pick that one 23:51 oh no 23:51 I've dabbled in playing Advance Wars competitively 23:51 [US] oh6 (Ran Orc Fem Cha) removed elenmirie's uncursed +0 set of silver dragon scales from the swap chest, on T:10371 23:51 -!- crunchbubba13 has quit [Quit: Client closed] 23:51 manipulating a mechanic that works like that is actually a significant part of certain matchups 23:52 if it becomes widely known that that's how it works, people will create a bait bag for bribing demons with 23:52 [US] [D]: rebrane (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 5094 points, 4397 turns, poisoned by an orcish arrow 23:52 as implemented, there is no reliable way to do that 23:53 you'd have to accumulate and be carrying a bunch of valuable but useless to you items 23:53 well, you can have a bait bag, and like four other bags that split up your important items so that they don't all get taken simultaneously 23:53 you'd have to accumulate and be carrying a bunch of valuable but useless to you items ← gems fill that role in vanilla 23:53 also, they don't ask for just one item. they will ask for multiple items until they're satisfied 23:53 so howzabout when a demon prince demands a bribe, they look through all the bags randomly 23:53 (avoidance strategy: 100 bags with 1pg each) 23:53 or all bags, pick the top 10% 23:54 [US] Leggman (Arc Hum Mal Law) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:23619 23:54 like, there are ways you can make it work, but if it's too random it produces a different sort of balance problem 23:54 [US] [D]: lispwitch (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 9821 points, 8278 turns, killed by an ochre jelly 23:54 although it's fairly stupid, I kind-of enjoy the "zero balance" in current NetHack where neither bribing nor fighting has a significant impact on the game 23:54 [EU] Noisytoot (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:32518 23:54 you should really check out the implementation, it's not 100% random it's weighted by how valuable the items are to them 23:55 yurp 23:55 but also, most players wont be willing/able to take the theoretically-possible steps to make the imbalance happen 23:55 [US] Unguarded1765 (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed Medusa, on T:55903 23:55 oh, I think more players will be willing to do that then logically should 23:55 you don't know in advance what they'll demand, and you may or may not be ok with what they decide to take 23:56 aosdict: well, think about it this way – if you can beat them regardless there is no point in bribing them – and if you don't, their decision is basically a coinflip between dying or not 23:56 [EU] askhl (Pri Elf Mal Cha) bribed Baalzebub with 2 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:29862 23:56 so this is only interesting if beating them is possible but uses up significant resources 23:56 for the specific character 23:56 [US] [D]: stoicjin (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 361 points, 1009 turns, killed by an orc zombie 23:56 just like the endgame is easy if you extinct 250+ monsters first. 23:56 (meaning that you have to weigh them against the size of the bribe) 23:56 As a bribe related aside, I was pleasantly surprised when a Lich summon nasties ended up bringing Geryon in yesterday.  I tried to get the 25k bribe achievement (more difficult because I was lawful) and baaz only asked for 16k. 23:57 eitbo: hmm, conventional wisdom is that the endgame actually gets harder if you extinct most things – you'd have to extinct the most dangerous monsters specifically to make it easier 23:57 Greyon asked for 32k; I was down to minimal load to carry all the gold :D 23:57 player has to expend effort somewhere! 23:57 stagnate: I think you can pay them more than they ask for? 23:57 <[> ais523: make destroying containers in lava take the items out of the container and then destroy the flammable ones rather than destroying everything 23:57 [US] oh6 (Ran Orc Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:10924 23:57 oh god don't tell me that :D 23:58 [: send a bug report, that sounds very reminiscent of the old bug that let you destroy the Book of the Dead 23:58 well 23:58 I did an extinction game this TNNT 23:58 and yep, it was easy. 23:58 [US] [D]: spleen (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 600 points, 961 turns, killed by an arrow 23:58 -!- nurdglaw has quit [Quit: Client closed] 23:58 a completely extinctionist game might make it so that there are no monsters available to spawn, that would indeed make it easier 23:59 yep, that. 23:59 but, killing 120 Archons in the Dungeons to stop them spawning on Fire is probably making the game harder overall 23:59 it wasn't. 23:59 [US] Grouchy (Sam Hum Mal Law) has entered the Arena, on T:37441 23:59 there was no one to even fight on the elemental planes. 23:59 a character who can kill 120 Archons is easily powerful enough to do the endgame