00:00 DAILY STATS AT 2024-11-20 00:00 UTC: Games: 338, Asc: 13, Scum: 81. 1310081 turns, 29584720 points. 16d 09:32 gametime. (24%Wiz), (47%Hum), (41%Neu), (65%Mal), 10d 23:59 remaining. 00:00 [EU] Sceptross (Hea Gno Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:41026 00:01 [EU] Sceptross (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:41030 00:02 [AU] ais523 (Cav Gno Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:19259 00:02 [AU] ais523 (Cav Gno Mal Neu) genocided class h, on T:19260 00:02 [AU] ais523 (Cav Gno Mal Neu) genocided class R, on T:19261 00:04 congrats spazm and tinklebear too 00:04 [US] [D]: GrmlyFndsh (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 1698 points, 2291 turns, killed by a dagger 00:06 [US] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) destroyed rebatela's ghost, the former Novice, on T:710 00:06 [US] jientho (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) found kitten, on T:2445 00:06 -!- Furey95 has joined #tnnt 00:06 -!- Furey has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:07 [US] tjw (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:29564 00:08 thanks, qt! 00:08 [EU] Sceptross (Hea Gno Mal Neu) genocided class ;, on T:41232 00:11 [EU] Prowler (Arc Hum Mal Law) received Excalibur, on T:30496 00:13 qt, I saw the bad news about your MRI the other day in backscroll 00:14 it sounds like a messed up situation and I am sorry you are in it 00:14 yeah, it's too bad :/ 00:14 thanks 00:15 [US] [D]: GrmlyFndsh (Arc Hum Mal Law), 552 points, 1486 turns, killed by a wererat 00:18 [US] jientho (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) destroyed Raisse's ghost, the former Aborigine, on T:2751 00:20 [EU] DoktorL (Mon Hum Fem Law) destroyed nabru's ghost, the former Pillager, on T:3803 00:20 [US] Bean (Ran Hum Fem Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:41639 00:20 $whereis DoktorL 00:20 nabru: [EU] DoktorL : (Mon Hum Fem Law) T:3691 The Gnomish Mines level: 8 00:22 [EU] Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Gandelf's ghost, the former Novice, on T:5089 00:22 [US] hothraxxa (Mon Hum Mal Cha) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a gnome corpse, on T:5735 00:23 [US] Bean (Ran Hum Fem Cha) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:41791 00:24 [EU] Sceptross (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed Famine, on T:41542 00:27 [EU] Sceptross (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed Death, on T:41597 00:27 <@spazm9000> thanks! 00:27 [US] PigInZen (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3140 00:28 <@spazm9000> Furey: thank you! It was rough! 00:28 [EU] Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu) consumed animal products (fortune cookie) for the first time, on T:5439 00:29 [EU] DoktorL (Mon Hum Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a horned devil, on T:4545 00:30 [EU] [A]: Sceptross (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 2131574 points, 41636 turns, ascended 00:30 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/S/Sceptross/tnnt/dumplog/1731973226.tnnt.html 00:30 <@sceptross> gg :D 00:30 [US] Bean (Ran Hum Fem Cha) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:42801 00:30 [US] [D]: arkanoid (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 784 points, 831 turns, killed by a magic missile 00:30 [EU] Prowler (Arc Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Minion of Huhetotl, on T:34512 00:31 [EU] Prowler (Arc Hum Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:34515 00:31 [EU] Furey (Cav Dwa Fem Law) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Anu, on T:70896 00:31 <@sceptross> oh wow tons of ascensions 00:31 [US] eitbrad (Kni Hum Fem Law) had Sunsword bestowed upon her by Lugh, on T:11008 00:32 <@sceptross> grats arseniy, tinklebear, spazm! 00:32 <@spazm9000> gg to you as well 00:32 [US] [D]: GrmlyFndsh (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 1464 points, 2557 turns, killed by a gnome 00:34 <@spazm9000> i think i am only one conduct away from the old devnull "the full monty" 00:35 <@sceptross> what was it? 00:35 <@sceptross> I got not kill vlad, not kill the high priest and not kill the nemesis in this one 00:35 [US] [D]: jmcunx (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 336 points, 1587 turns, killed by a werejackal 00:35 [US] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:26515 00:35 any advice on dealing with a hostile coaligned unicorn? 00:35 [US] Grouchy (Mon Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "Blessed Amulet of Life saving", on T:37463 00:35 <@spazm9000> every role,race,gender,alignment and conduct (3.4.3 conduct) 00:36 [US] nabru (Bar Orc Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1263 00:36 <@spazm9000> none of the "not kill x person" conducts were part of it 00:36 <@sceptross> Ah so pacifist, illiterate, etc? 00:36 <@spazm9000> im not sure if they are just tnnt conducts or 3.6 conducts 00:36 oh, throwing a gem at it could work 00:36 <@spazm9000> You have gone without food. 00:37 <@spazm9000> You have been an atheist. 00:37 <@spazm9000> You have never hit with a wielded weapon. 00:37 <@spazm9000> You have been a pacifist. 00:37 <@spazm9000> You have been illiterate. 00:37 <@spazm9000> You have never genocided any monsters. 00:37 <@spazm9000> You have never polymorphed an object. 00:37 <@spazm9000> You have never changed form. 00:37 <@spazm9000> You have used no wishes. 00:37 <@spazm9000> those 00:37 [US] Bean (Ran Hum Fem Cha) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:43478 00:37 <@sceptross> Oh, thats super nice then, which one are you missing? 00:37 <@spazm9000> wishless 00:37 <@sceptross> oh not the hardest one then 00:37 [US] Grouchy (Mon Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed rustproof +2 gauntlets of power", on T:37466 00:37 [US] [D]: nabru (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 420 points, 1407 turns, killed by a dwarf 00:37 [US] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) removed Bean's uncursed +0 pair of gauntlets of dexterity from the swap chest, on T:26641 00:38 <@sceptross> pacifist/illiterate/foodless sound so much worse than that 00:38 [EU] [D]: Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 7290 points, 7263 turns, killed by an ettin mummy 00:38 <@spazm9000> yeah i just finished pacifist which i didnt want to save for last 00:38 <@sceptross> Im not much of a conduct player 00:38 even I can do wishless 00:38 on a good day 00:38 [US] Grouchy (Mon Hum Mal Cha) wished for "magic marker", on T:37467 00:38 <@sceptross> so Im not super knowledgeable about how hard they actually ae, but those 3 sound by far the worst 00:39 <@spazm9000> im not much of a conduct player either! this is actually the first time ive done several like foodless, illiterate, athiest 00:39 pacifist is the hardest on its own, foodless+atheist is a very hard combination but neither conduct is so bad on its own 00:40 <@sceptross> foodless+atheist sounds crazy 00:40 <@spazm9000> you would have to start scum for that 00:40 <@spazm9000> or get really lucky 00:40 <@sceptross> surely you need polymorph for that 00:41 <@spazm9000> its possible to do it with just ring of slow digestion 00:41 10-conduct runs normally omit pacifist and foodless, because pacifist is hard and it breaks up the foodless+atheist combination 00:41 there is one crazy person who did foodless atheist without polyself 00:41 <@spazm9000> did you do it? 00:42 [US] eitwinston (Ran Elf Mal Cha) bribed Asmodeus with 152 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:49214 00:42 Oh no, I read about it long ago. It was a tourist who survived on potions from horn of plenty. 00:42 3.4.3 11-conduct has been attempted without pacifist and without foodless, I can't remember whether either succeeded 00:42 <@sceptross> Oh wow that's crazy 00:43 and there have been serious attempts at 3.4.3 12-conduct but IIRC none of them reached ascension 00:43 <@sceptross> but yeah thats probably the best way to go about it without polyself 00:43 <@sceptross> speedrun the PYEC and hope you find a horn of plenty along the way 00:43 [US] eitwinston (Ran Elf Mal Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:49265 00:44 <@joes5898> I see four 11-conduct games: https://alt.org/nethack/mostconducts.html 00:44 there's also the idea (was it you ais523?) to just do low turn count so you don't run out of yoru starting nutrition 00:44 wasn't my idea, but that is one of my favourite foodless methods 00:44 if you have a starting =oSD that gives you 16000 turns which is enough 00:44 <@joes5898> all foodless 00:45 but, the problem with that is amulet/ring hunger 00:45 <@spazm9000> im guessing those involved pudding farming 00:45 -!- Furey95 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:45 if you wear another ring, or an amulet, that halves the turn count – wear both and you only have 1/3 as many turns 00:45 3.4.3 12-conduct is based around throne farming because you can do it without breaking any conducts 00:46 <@sceptross> Absolutely crazy 00:47 some games reached the point where they could farm, and then got abandoned I think because farming is boring and reaching that point is so difficult that the players were scared to continue 00:47 <@joes5898> not the 4th 00:47 I can't remember how you get foodless nutrition from throne farming, I assume it involves fruit juice somehow but can't remember the details 00:47 [US] bleeko (Pri Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed fixed +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:24820 00:47 Smoky booze FTW 00:47 [EU] Prowler (Arc Hum Mal Law) entered Gehennom, on T:35957 00:47 <@sceptross> I also had smoky booze in this last game 00:47 <@spazm9000> the first 3 for sure, but yeah im not sure how the yumyum game went i was just looking at that dumplog 00:48 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:48 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 00:48 meanwhile, in TNNT, multi-conduct games are much easier; I think 15 or maybe 16 can be done without any truly difficult conducts or conduct combinations 00:48 ais523: I think it's because random alchemy has decent chance of producing sickness 00:48 <@sceptross> yeah the trophy conducts are not suuuuper hard 00:48 <@sceptross> I was actually mildly trying to go for all 5 in this one 00:49 -!- jientho_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:49 <@sceptross> the only 3 I wanted to lock were vlad quest nemesis and high priest 00:49 <@sceptross> I never found a drum of earthquake and I think that'd make not kill rodney much easier 00:49 <@spazm9000> https://nethackwiki.com/wiki//dev/null/nethack_tournament#Trophies 00:50 Arseniy: ah right, so you random-alchemise and then unihorn sickness into fruit juice 00:50 <@sceptross> I accidentally killed famine (or maybe someone did because of conflict) like 5 turns into astral so I immediately gave up on that one lol 00:50 congrats, @sceptross, btw (and thanks!) 00:51 <@sceptross> Actually I could have used a cursed potion of invisibility, I just realised u.u 00:51 <@sceptross> Thanks tinklebear! 00:51 <@spazm9000> i know the trophy doesnt exist for tnnt but has anyone else done the full monty since 2017? 00:51 <@spazm9000> thats the last person listed doing it 00:51 <@sceptross> Probably luxidream no? 00:51 <@sceptross> in 2020 00:52 <@sceptross> Nah, he didn't have any foodless ascension 00:52 <@spazm9000> no pacifist either 00:52 Is it as appealing now that it's unofficial? Thene days you should probably extend it to all TNNT conducts as well because that's a trophy. 00:53 <@sceptross> I guess these days its a combination of trophies 00:53 <@spazm9000> its appealing to me since its the traditional top challenge 00:53 <@sceptross> All conducts + all roles + all genders + all alignments + all races 00:53 and all roles doesn't add much, any good player can do that easily 00:54 <@spazm9000> its only been done 6 times according to the wiki 00:54 <@sceptross> Maybe next year I'll try that too 00:54 <@sceptross> Now I still need to make sure I do all roles lol 00:55 <@sceptross> the 4 I have left are not easy 00:55 <@spazm9000> sorry 5 times, i will be 6 this year hopefully 00:55 <@sceptross> Good luck spazm! 00:55 <@spazm9000> thanks! 00:55 <@spazm9000> what roles do you have left? 00:55 <@sceptross> Tourist, Arc, Wizard, Rogue 00:56 <@sceptross> Probably in that order since the first 3 give me great human, great dwarf and great elf respectively 00:56 <@spazm9000> saved the fun ones for last i see 00:57 <@sceptross> Yeah I had been playing with spellcasters for a bit before TNNT so I felt like doing the pure melee ones first haha 00:57 hey ais523 00:58 <@spazm9000> your ascension ratio is pretty great, you worried about it taking a hit with those remaining roles? 00:59 <@spazm9000> only asking because you said the 4 roles left were not easy 00:59 [US] [D]: naf (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1284 points, 2881 turns, killed by a kobold, while frozen by a monster's gaze 00:59 <@sceptross> It probably will take a hit 01:00 Hourly Stats at 2024-11-20 01:00 UTC: Games: 10, Asc: 1, Scum: 0. 62020 turns, 2146006 points. (40%Arc), 10d 22:59 remaining. 01:00 -!- charlie14690 has joined #tnnt 01:00 [US] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) removed rebrane's uncursed bag of holding from the swap chest, on T:2723 01:00 <@sceptross> oh actually Im more concerned with the fact its only 10 days left and Im gonna be busier in the end of the month 01:00 [AU] ais523 (Cav Gno Mal Neu) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:23638 01:00 As most folks will be 01:01 <@sceptross> I had actually never ascended a few of these roles, I felt like trying to ascend all roles/races/alignments/genders was a good goal for this tournament 01:01 <@spazm9000> thats a great goal 01:01 it is, yeah 01:01 I will be happy if I manage to eke out an ascension 01:02 [EU] Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:914 01:02 <@spazm9000> i dont think i would have gone for the full monty but i unexpectedly ended up with a lot of free time this month, so i figured it was now or never 01:02 [US] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:27788 01:03 [US] [D]: jmcunx (Cav Hum Mal Neu), 598 points, 1491 turns, killed by a giant spider 01:03 [US] eitwinston (Ran Elf Mal Cha) bribed Baalzebub with 118 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:51240 01:03 <@sceptross> Yeah it definitely sounds time consuming 01:04 <@sceptross> and you have to stay sharp too, I bet its soo easy to accidentally ruin the conduct 01:04 <@sceptross> weaponless for instance, or even atheist 01:04 [US] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:3054 01:04 <@sceptross> the worst one gotta be pacifist 01:04 <@spazm9000> the conducts were so mentally taxing for me 01:04 -!- Furey98 has joined #tnnt 01:05 -!- Furey has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:05 [EU] [D]: Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 1495 points, 1202 turns, killed by a dwarf lord 01:05 <@spazm9000> that pacifist game especially 01:06 <@spazm9000> was going to terrible until i found a double bones in the vally of the dead 01:06 <@spazm9000> one of which was Doktor L 01:06 <@sceptross> oh wow 01:06 <@sceptross> bones files have not been kind to be this TNNT actually 01:07 <@spazm9000> well i almost made it a tripple bones lol 01:07 <@sceptross> in fact Bean left me quite the present the other day with my barbarian 01:07 <@spazm9000> it was a mess 01:07 weaponless is not that hard, just keep pressing w - every 5 turns 01:07 <@sceptross> mines floor with some lich, minotaur and MMF 01:07 <@spazm9000> lol that is exactly what i was doing 01:07 <@spazm9000> paranoid 01:07 <@sceptross> I was crazy lucky I found a magic marker and a can of grease before that floor 01:07 <@sceptross> and had dumped the marker into enchant armor 01:08 <@spazm9000> early enchant armor is so good 01:08 <@sceptross> I was stairs dancing as the grease on my helm were of lol 01:08 <@spazm9000> yikes lol 01:08 -!- qt has joined #tnnt 01:08 -!- mode/#tnnt [+o qt] by ChanServ 01:08 <@spazm9000> i remember that one 01:08 <@spazm9000> was talking to Bean about it 01:09 [EU] [D]: Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 307 points, 518 turns, killed by an arrow 01:09 <@sceptross> early magic marker for me almost always ends up entirely dumped into enchant armor/ enchant weapon 01:10 <@sceptross> I value AC a lot in the early game 01:10 -!- Haudegen has quit [Quit: Bin weg.] 01:10 <@spazm9000> best use of it 01:11 [US] rebrane (Sam Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:17794 01:12 Arseniy, vouch lmao 01:12 sorry what? 01:12 <@recuerdo> that's awesome, I have also ascended a few roles I'd never done before this time and it's a++++ 01:12 "weaponless is not that hard, just keep pressing w - every 5 turns" 01:12 it's how I ascended that monk from last TNNT 01:13 <@spazm9000> in my pacifist game i had an arch lich spawn in the castle, i was level 7, i didnt think that was possible 01:13 would've been elberethless on top of all that other shit I did (vegan, no body armor, etc.) if not for that one fucking 01:13 chameleon becoming a master lich 01:13 and it was literally the only time I used it too 01:13 spazm Castle uses class-based gen iirc 01:13 [US] [D]: johnnyteapot (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 187629 points, 28623 turns, killed by an elf-lord 01:13 <@sceptross> In my very first ascension, I had an arch lich teleport to me and immediately cast touch of death on dlvl7 or so 01:13 those 3.6 purple liches spawn regardless of what level you are 01:13 which ignores gehennom only 01:13 <@sceptross> before the oracle even 01:14 <@sceptross> I had found an early WoW and had MR so I survived it 01:14 <@spazm9000> a shapechanger? 01:14 <@sceptross> most likely yeah 01:14 <@spazm9000> evil! 01:14 [US] [D]: nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 5618 points, 4089 turns, killed by a gray unicorn 01:15 I was MR-less in the monk situtation I described 01:15 so it was literally break E-less or potentially Lose 01:15 <@spazm9000> it killed me with touch of death and popped my life saving 01:15 <@spazm9000> i level ported out but by then my pet was also a green slime 01:15 <@sceptross> its funny because when I saw the early WoW I went to read the wish page on the wiki, and it mentioned getting GDSM or SDSM but the wording made it seem it favoured getting speed boots over the other extrinsic 01:15 I recall using the first wish I got after that one like 01:15 on exactly PYEC 01:15 <@sceptross> I was a valk so I got SDSM, but my gut told me to get the CoMR instead of speed boots, felt like it made more sense 01:16 <@sceptross> and not even like 30 minutes later I was saved because of that decision 01:16 K2: is the #tnnt irc log in the wrong timezone 01:16 https://www.hardfought.org/tnnt/irclog/%23tnnt-2024-11-19.log 01:16 look it's already at 23:59 01:16 and there's already a https://www.hardfought.org/tnnt/irclog/%23tnnt-2024-11-20.log 01:16 <@spazm9000> cloak is like 1000x better than speed boots, that wiki almost killed you 01:17 [EU] Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu) destroyed nabru's ghost, the former Pillager, on T:787 01:17 [AU] ais523 (Cav Gno Mal Neu) killed Croesus, on T:24603 01:17 [US] bleeko (Pri Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:26122 01:17 @sceptross was it under "early wands of wishing" by some chance 01:17 <@spazm9000> Umbire or Arsebiy so in 3.6 it is just a random L that spawns and can be any of the liches?\ 01:18 <@sceptross> I think so yeah Umbire 01:18 there's a lot of dated articles on the wiki I've been trying my best to handle 01:18 [US] Grouchy (Mon Hum Mal Cha) has entered the Arena, on T:38151 01:18 Wish article is a Big One I've been waiting on 01:18 <@sceptross> I actually made a reddit YAFAP post when I ascended 01:18 @spazm9000 yeah it's literally just "random lich" 01:18 <@sceptross> let me see if I can find it, maybe it gives a better hint 01:18 <@sceptross> I remember describing that situation in the post 01:18 <@spazm9000> bad luck for me in that castle then 01:18 [US] [D]: PigInZen (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 4011 points, 5298 turns, killed by a white unicorn 01:18 say less honestly 01:18 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Wish#Early_wands_of_wishing 01:19 like I said it's a whole article that needs to be once-over'd at minimum 01:19 but this specifically is a quick enough fix 01:19 what does "say less honestly" mean 01:20 <@sceptross> https://www.reddit.com/r/nethack/comments/h0kvka/yafap_four_long_years_before_i_finally_did_it/?rdt=58680 01:20 <@spazm9000> it is a colloquialism like "say no more" 01:20 <@sceptross> "The key here was clearly the legendary early wand of wishing find, in a wand shop at dlvl 3. After having my pet steal it, and engrave test it to confirm which one of death or wishing it was, I had the opportunity to undo my mistakes of the past, and left that floor with a SDSM (which, after some time thinking, felt the correct choice since it would make the ascension gear less awkward, because of the Valkyrie's ability to dual wield weapons), an amulet 01:21 [US] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) has entered the Arena, on T:28769 01:21 [US] Grouchy (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed johnnyteapot the Swashbuckler in a deathmatch, on T:38227 01:21 that's that addressed now, I think 01:21 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Wish#Early_wands_of_wishing 01:22 er, https://nethackwiki.com/index.php?diff=179297&oldid=179171&rcid=134470 01:23 thanks spazm 01:23 [US] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed Grasshopper the Mage in a deathmatch, on T:28897 01:23 I never heard it before 01:23 to me it sounded on its face like it meant "shut the fuck up" lol 01:24 [US] allanb (Pri Elf Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed rustproof +2 Frost Brand", on T:24100 01:24 <@spazm9000> haha i know what you mean, but it is non-agressive 01:24 yeah "say less" <= "say no more" 01:24 [US] PigInZen (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) found kitten, on T:823 01:24 as in "say less I found the part you meant and fixed it" 01:25 <@sceptross> Umbire: yep exactly, I read the version before that edit 01:26 [US] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +3 helm of brilliance", on T:28957 01:27 [EU] [D]: Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 2123 points, 2193 turns, died of starvation, while fainted 01:28 [US] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +3 helm of brilliance", on T:28978 01:28 Also wanted to ask a code question but ais is busy gaming 01:28 https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/blob/NetHack-3.6.7_Released/src/zap.c#L2382 01:28 would "Zapping a [[wand of make invisible]] has a {{frac|10}} chance of granting permanent invisibility to a hero, and otherwise grants the property for up to 250 more turns" be a correct read? 01:28 -!- elron has quit [Quit: Client closed] 01:29 <@sceptross> imo for a player that has never ascended, an early WoW should probably be dumped entirely into scrolls of charging, a source of MR, a source of reflection (one of those being DSM), amulet of life saving, some artifact weapon/speed boots (choose one depending on role/alignment if the wand has 5 charges) 01:29 haha, green elf reads cursed create monster, i play a bugle, monsters run around, frost giant starts throwing boulders ... but my cloak of displacement fools them, so they are throwing them on squares around me and squashing monsters 01:29 <@sceptross> then if the wand has extra wishes probably a magic marker, especially if enchant armor is ID'd 01:30 [US] [D]: OmegaDino (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 610 points, 1571 turns, killed by a kobold zombie 01:30 <@sceptross> or a tin of green dragon meat maybe? 01:30 sceptross i would go for poison resistance along with the reflection and MR 01:30 <@Loggers_IX> pre-3.7 I like a 2 cursed genocide into quivering blob summoning for poison res 01:30 I've unironically suggested that a good few times 01:30 that as well 01:30 [US] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:29015 01:30 [US] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) genocided class h, on T:29016 01:30 and gauntlets of power if str < 18 01:31 <@Loggers_IX> but I never get random wows because I’m just so damn good the game knows I would instawin 01:31 <@Loggers_IX> (please give me a wow game :(((((() 01:31 [US] [D]: PigInZen (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 478 points, 1150 turns, killed by a gnome 01:32 <@sceptross> I got an earlyish WoW in my valk ascension 01:32 <@spazm9000> i had to wish for a tin of red dragon today 01:32 <@sceptross> not like super early, I think it was past mines and/or soko already 01:32 <@sceptross> I almost had to do the same today too! 01:32 <@Loggers_IX> what 01:32 <@Loggers_IX> why would you do such a thing 01:32 <@sceptross> I was just not getting fire resistance 01:33 <@sceptross> and the ring of fire resistance wasnot showing up either 01:33 had an asc that didn't get sleep res until a Grey-Elf corpse in the Valley 01:33 <@sceptross> I was going through the floors preparing myself for the tin of red dragon meat wish 01:33 <@Loggers_IX> ehh kid named crowning??? 01:33 <@sceptross> but then I found the ring 01:33 what role were you 01:33 <@spazm9000> i guess i could have worn the ring but i wanted the intrinsic and didnt want to wait any longer 01:33 <@sceptross> Thats crazy part Umbire 01:33 <@sceptross> I was a healer 01:34 <@sceptross> Even after the quest I didn't have it 01:34 <@spazm9000> as was i lol 01:34 no luck with dragon gen eh 01:34 <@spazm9000> one red D on my quest and my pet ate it 01:34 F 01:34 <@Loggers_IX> crowning is like free and you get all the resistances 01:34 <@Loggers_IX> besides disint 01:34 <@Loggers_IX> maybe if you’re going fast it’s bad. I didn’t get crowned on my fastest run 01:34 <@sceptross> No altar besides minetown altar either 01:35 <@Loggers_IX> healer quest has an altar 01:35 if you can marshal up the luck to crown then sure it's "free" 01:35 <@sceptross> But I alerady had most stuff so I could burn the wish 01:35 yeah the wish wasn't a terrible idea 01:35 <@spazm9000> yeah i didnt even want to max my luck to do that 01:35 -!- charlie14690 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:35 <@spazm9000> incase i hit something i wanted to miss lol 01:35 pacifist I take it spazm? 01:35 <@sceptross> Oh I actually forgot about the quest altar on my way down 01:35 <@sceptross> I even used it to get to 13 luck lol 01:36 <@spazm9000> yeah i was pacifist, well on my way to full monty 01:36 <@Loggers_IX> ah if pacifist understandable 01:36 <@Loggers_IX> pacifist is too hard for me. don’t like it 01:36 <@Loggers_IX> you gotta have like situational awareness and shit 01:36 <@sceptross> why am I not suprised at all 01:36 oh loggers do you or furey happen to have the answer to my code question earlier 01:36 <@sceptross> 😂 01:37 <@Loggers_IX> I haven’t read any logs and just popped into the chat, what was the question 01:37 <@sceptross> But to be honest the truth is I knew the castle wand was about to come and I didnt need the wishes that much so I kinda just set my mind into "if I need it, wish it is" 01:38 <@Umbyre (he/him)> this @bigishkanani 01:38 <@sceptross> the castle ended up having a red dragon so I got it there 01:38 <@Loggers_IX> that’s fair honestly if ya got extra wishes why not spend them 01:38 <@spazm9000> i found an extra WoW, from valley bones, thanks Dok L 01:38 <@spazm9000> so i didnt mind using the wish for dragon meat 01:39 [US] [D]: recuerdo (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 2107 points, 5431 turns, killed by a rothe 01:39 <@sceptross> since I had a ring of protection, ended up using the wishes to switch from amulet of reflectin / GDSM / CoP to AoLS / SDSM / CoMR 01:39 <@sceptross> and dumped the GDSM and AoR into the swap chest 01:39 <@Loggers_IX> dunno umbire I’m inclined to agree with your interpretation but I’m not particularly confident in my code reading abilities 01:39 @spazm9000 was that the Aleax one 01:39 did you ever see what was up with that 01:39 <@spazm9000> yeah it was that one 01:39 kicked bro's shit in 01:39 <@Loggers_IX> damn I had wanted that bones 01:39 <@spazm9000> yes it was a double bones 01:40 >double bones 01:40 <@spazm9000> someone died to rodney there 01:40 well that'll do it then, I'd suspected 01:40 [US] eitwinston (Ran Elf Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed rustproof +2 helm of brilliance", on T:54434 01:40 and yeah, Aleax got into the kit then 01:40 [US] bleeko (Pri Hum Mal Neu) had Giantslayer bestowed upon him by Hermes, on T:27235 01:40 <@Loggers_IX> hahaha what a nice coincidence 01:40 <@Loggers_IX> I love valley bones 01:40 <@sceptross> damn dying to rodney gotta suck 01:40 <@sceptross> how did that happen, did you check the dumplog? 01:41 <@spazm9000> if someone finds me in the arena, i have a blessed figurine of an archon in my inventory lol 01:41 <@sceptross> I assume source of MR stolen into touch of death or something 01:41 [US] eitwinston (Ran Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed spellbook of magic mapping", on T:54451 01:41 <@Loggers_IX> dying to Rodney is embarrassing cause you’re always oneshotting him 01:41 <@Loggers_IX> how the tables turn 01:41 <@spazm9000> https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/l/lacca/tnnt/dumplog/1731762293.tnnt.html 01:41 <@Loggers_IX> Rodney is actually pretty messed up if he has MR 01:41 <@spazm9000> looks like he beat him to death 01:42 <@spazm9000> no touch of death 01:42 <@sceptross> oh ranger 01:42 <@Loggers_IX> yeah this seems like a case of just getting bogged down 01:42 <@sceptross> I dont see the longbow of diana maybe it got stolen? 01:43 <@spazm9000> it was there 01:43 <@spazm9000> i couldnt pick it up 01:43 <@Loggers_IX> maybe they left it at the quest cuz it sucks ass 01:43 <@Loggers_IX> oh nevermind 01:43 <@spazm9000> + longbow of dianna 01:43 <@spazm9000> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/503281133438369792/1308608624599502878/image.png?ex=673e9040&is=673d3ec0&hm=5694280ed2a4d559a07f7a8cb3141098205f8880388dbbd11ee7fbbd142aac18& 01:43 umbire no, if "ordinary" is true then it's always perm invis, and "ordinary" is always true for the usual case of zapping wand with dx = 0, dy = 0, dz = 0 (look at the declaration of zap_yourself and the call to zap_yourself). 01:43 yeah you don't let an Olog-hai stand next to you in that kinda closure for any amount oof time 01:43 i dunno where the other calls to zap_yourself are that have different values of "ordinary" 01:44 <@spazm9000> vorpal was mine but all those other artifacts were in this bones 01:44 <@Loggers_IX> yknow this exact question came up another time now that I’m looking at it 01:44 and it'd be 1/10 otherwise, were it zapped at you by something else somehow 01:44 <@sceptross> almost everything in the inventory was cursed too 01:45 [US] rebrane (Sam Hum Mal Law) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:21518 01:45 <@Loggers_IX> olog hai are annoying 01:45 yeah my experience is i zap myself once with one /oMI and it lasts the rest of the game 01:45 <@spazm9000> i wonder if they were doing a conduct because -14 AC is not good for ascension run 01:45 <@Loggers_IX> funnily enough they’re almost identical to rock trolls 01:45 <@sceptross> They had a robe in the inventory not worn 01:46 <@Loggers_IX> meh, seems more to me like they just didn’t prepare enough 01:46 <@sceptross> and were wearing a cursed -1 cloak of protection 01:46 <@sceptross> yeah the issue here seems to be the low AC definitely 01:46 <@sceptross> no wonder the 5 wands of death were all without charges 01:46 <@sceptross> going through gehennom with this AC must be hard 01:47 <@sceptross> not 5, 6 actually 01:47 depends on a fair bit 01:47 <@spazm9000> imagine my surprise when i accidentally fall down the hole into the valley and im surrounded by a swarm of nasties 01:47 but in this case I imagine it was rough 01:47 <@Loggers_IX> I know lacca from watching them play evilhack, impressive to the point I’d assume this AC was on purpose 01:48 <@Loggers_IX> *not impressive 01:48 [US] habibOotC (Ran Orc Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:23771 01:48 <@Loggers_IX> -15 isn’t so bad if you’re being a ranger and shooting everything from a distance 01:48 <@Loggers_IX> but that’s not really how the asc run works 01:49 <@sceptross> I dont see any ranged weapons actually 01:49 [US] [D]: Smiles (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 1379 points, 3026 turns, killed by a mumak 01:49 <@spazm9000> lacca has one asc in tnnt and their AC was -12 01:49 <@spazm9000> so they just roll like that i guess 01:49 <@sceptross> /projectiles 01:49 <@spazm9000> they had 185 +5 arrows 01:49 <@spazm9000> i put them in the swap chest 😂 01:50 yeah it's pretty doable but things just didn't fall the same way ig? 01:50 <@sceptross> oh they were in the bag 01:50 I mean any other ranger'll appreciate them 01:50 <@sceptross> and 75 poisoned orcish arrows too 01:50 if no one else takes 'em I might do a gimmick run that wants the bow 01:50 [US] LoadedDice (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:16724 01:50 [US] naf (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed jackofclubs' ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:3175 01:51 <@sceptross> the EU swap chest has a bunch of some projectile i dont remember now 01:51 <@Loggers_IX> pre 3.7 longbow annoys me almost as much as heart of Ahriman 01:51 <@sceptross> Daggers maybe? 01:52 <@spazm9000> longbow is by far the worst artifact weapon, prob worst quest artifact 01:52 <@spazm9000> i dont even bother to pick it up 01:52 <@sceptross> lol yeah 01:52 <@Loggers_IX> you can actually use it for something if you want, heart of Ahriman is useful for actually nothing 01:52 eh, it's fine enough though the circumstances of getting it for ranger are fuckt 01:52 <@sceptross> its best use is unironically keeping it in the inventory so that the wizard might steal it 01:52 <@spazm9000> Ahriman actually helped me ascend this tnnt 01:53 <@spazm9000> i lost my ring of lev 01:53 kid named levitation: 01:53 -!- Arseniy has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:53 yeah lmao 01:53 <@sceptross> oh yeah toggling levitation can be useful 01:53 longbow's not something people wish for so it's pooh-poohed a lot on that basis imho 01:53 <@Loggers_IX> useful for like one level in extenuating circumstances maybe 01:53 also lets you levitate on a steed 01:53 <@sceptross> I think I used it in my barb ascension too actually 01:53 yeah iirc I used it in my astral splat barb 01:54 <@sceptross> oh no I remember that one 01:54 [EU] Prowler (Arc Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed wand of polymorph", on T:37507 01:54 <@sceptross> ive never had an astral splat 01:54 it's whatever 01:54 <@Loggers_IX> does ring of levitation not exist in your guys’ games :p 01:54 <@Loggers_IX> you lucky bastard 01:54 slot conservation bro 01:54 <@sceptross> I dont look forward to that day 01:54 [US] Grouchy (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:40631 01:54 <@spazm9000> longbow is so bad that it makes ahriman look good 01:54 it happens to the best of people, and it's nothing you can't recover from 01:54 [US] Grouchy (Mon Hum Mal Cha) averted death (poisoned by Juiblex), on T:40634 01:55 <@Loggers_IX> play evilhack if you want to astral splat 01:55 neh I think both artifacts are overhated 01:55 <@Loggers_IX> evilhack my beloved <3333 01:55 <@sceptross> I died on the plane of earth once 01:55 (though simultaneously neither are as good as they could be) 01:55 <@sceptross> thats the closest to an astral splat Ive had 01:55 <@Loggers_IX> umbire that is because you are a filthy devteam apologist and your ilk will meet their day of reckoning soon enough 01:55 <@sceptross> rodney summoned a green slime 01:55 [EU] Prowler (Arc Hum Mal Law) polymorphed his first object, on T:37588 01:55 [US] [D]: recuerdo (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 366 points, 625 turns, killed by PigInZen's ghost 01:56 <@Loggers_IX> slash j 01:56 that literally has nothing to do with it lol 01:56 <@sceptross> and I dont remember the exact details now but I couldnt burn the slime 01:56 <@spazm9000> i will tell you how to fix longbow, make it so it magically creates arrows as you fire (same enchantment as bow), no need to carry any 01:56 <@sceptross> oh that'd be so sweet actually 01:56 <@Loggers_IX> wow you are a genius 01:56 <@spazm9000> never have the annoying picking up of arrows either 01:57 <@sceptross> we need more artifacts with unique effects 01:57 <@Loggers_IX> I’ve always hated the inv management aspect of ranger 01:57 <@sceptross> I tend to prefer to use darts 01:57 <@Loggers_IX> I’m a dagger guy 01:57 <@sceptross> over launcher projectiles 01:57 <@Loggers_IX> why can’t you poison a dagger? 01:57 [US] eitwinston (Ran Elf Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:55613 01:57 <@sceptross> if you could Id move to daggers too 01:58 [US] eitwinston (Ran Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:55615 01:58 <@sceptross> weight + poison is why I prefer darts 01:58 <@spazm9000> of course even with my suggested buff, it would still suck for gnomish ranger 01:58 <@Loggers_IX> gnome is a joke race 01:58 [US] [D]: recuerdo (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 28 points, 336 turns, killed by a water demon (and one other game not reported) 01:58 <@spazm9000> dont hate on my gnomies 01:58 <@Loggers_IX> for people who enjoy playing worse humans 01:58 <@sceptross> infravision is really good 01:58 <@sceptross> and safer mines 01:59 <@spazm9000> infravision is amazing 01:59 [US] habibOotC (Ran Orc Fem Cha) removed elron's potion of unholy water from the swap chest, on T:24116 01:59 <@sceptross> especially for ranger 01:59 infravision, safer mines, touchstone usage as a bonus 01:59 <@Loggers_IX> all that to get oneshot by a boulder trap at level 5 01:59 [US] tjw (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:32587 01:59 just don't step on it???? 01:59 das a skill issue pal 01:59 <@Loggers_IX> lol it was a callback to someone’s earlier death this tourney 01:59 <@Loggers_IX> forget who it was 01:59 HP growth is Rough but not nearly as much of a draw back that I'd like 01:59 pass up the perks 02:00 re: ranger, evil has the best solve for that as far as I've seen 02:00 Hourly Stats at 2024-11-20 02:00 UTC: Games: 14, Asc: 0, Scum: 0. 0d 09:40 gametime. (29%Wiz), 10d 21:59 remaining. 02:00 (whole other QA) 02:00 <@sceptross> gnomish ranger has crazy low hp yeah 02:00 <@Loggers_IX> HP is actually all I care about 02:00 <@spazm9000> and gnomish healer is best healer 02:00 <@Loggers_IX> constitution and strength are the only two relevant stats to winning 02:00 <@sceptross> I think my gnomish ranger this tnnt had like 35 HP at level 6 02:01 (it was grasshopper got bouldered) 02:01 <@sceptross> at some point I started going for max hp increase prayer 02:01 <@sceptross> something I rarely do 02:01 <@Loggers_IX> grasshopper has the most impressive streak of anyone in the world so don’t tell me that boulder was pure skill issue :p 02:01 I said what I fuckin' said 02:02 <@Loggers_IX> boo hiss 02:02 <@sceptross> errr.. elven ranger 02:02 even putting aside mutual exchange of hot takes most boulder traps are fairly obvious in my own experience that you could avoid them fully if you really wanted 02:02 <@sceptross> gnomish was the healer yeah 02:02 <@Loggers_IX> max HP increase prayer is something I would do but sadly I get crowned 02:02 far as early max HP prayer I almost always do that if my starting HP feels low enough 02:03 <@Loggers_IX> umbire: I’ve had monsters trigger them offscreen in dark mines levels :( 02:03 sucks to be you 02:03 (I feel that lmao) 02:03 <@Loggers_IX> ain’t that the truth :p 02:03 <@sceptross> lol I almost died to that too this tnnt 02:03 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 02:03 <@sceptross> the boulder missed me 02:03 <@sceptross> if it had hit I was done for 02:03 -!- Furey96 has joined #tnnt 02:04 <@sceptross> I think I was at 12 hp or something 02:04 <@Loggers_IX> this is why con is the most important stat 02:04 [US] [D]: recuerdo (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 65 points, 340 turns, killed by a black pudding 02:04 <@Loggers_IX> give me liberty, give me fire 02:04 <@Loggers_IX> give me 10 HP per xlvl (minimum) or I retire 02:04 [US] tjw (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) killed Croesus, on T:32909 02:05 <@sceptross> AC more important 02:05 [US] [D]: naf (Val Dwa Fem Law), 3184 points, 3723 turns, killed by an invisible nalfeshnee, while helpless 02:05 <@sceptross> :p 02:05 -!- Furey98 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:06 <@sceptross> getting past that 20ish HP threshold is important sure but getting your AC negative is the real early game saver 02:06 [US] [D]: recuerdo (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 25 points, 327 turns, killed by a bear trap (and one other game not reported) 02:06 <@sceptross> imo 02:07 <@spazm9000> feels so good when you see that first minus in front of your AC 02:07 <@sceptross> I think Ive said this before but I actually think that if obtained in the very early game, in say a lamp wish for DSM, the AC actually contributes more to ascension chances than the extrinsic itself 02:07 <@Loggers_IX> I mean stat as in like the ones that go to 25 02:08 -!- Furey has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:08 <@Loggers_IX> attribute, I should say 02:08 <@Loggers_IX> AC > HP any day of the week 02:08 <@sceptross> ok I worded that terribly but I think you get what I mean lol 02:08 [AU] ais523 (Cav Gno Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:30682 02:09 <@Loggers_IX> yeah like from GDSM the lightweight 9 AC is initially more useful for survival than the magic resistance 02:09 MR means you no longer fear polytraps 02:09 or shapeshifters ToD'ing you 02:09 doesn't do much against the nastier ray wands though 02:10 <@sceptross> Generally I prefer SDSM to GDSM 02:10 <@sceptross> however in TNNT I think GDSM might be marginally better 02:11 <@sceptross> because it lets you get to the swap chest and grab one of the bazilion amulets of reflection always sitting there 02:11 [US] OmegaDino (Pri Hum Fem Neu) became literate by engraving "test", on T:4657 02:11 [US] eitwinston (Ran Elf Mal Cha) killed Orcus, on T:56507 02:11 <@Loggers_IX> GDSM > SDSM unless you are a wizard 02:12 <@Loggers_IX> magic resistance just protects against so much more than reflection 02:12 <@sceptross> in the early game before you get the extrinsics I tend to prefer reflection 02:12 <@sceptross> err... intrinsics 02:12 <@Loggers_IX> however long term in regards to asc kit SDSM with MR cloak is preferable as it frees your amulet slot 02:12 SDSM is prettier 02:12 extrinsics too 02:12 it's beautiful and shines 02:12 [EU] Prowler (Arc Hum Mal Law) killed Juiblex, on T:38795 02:13 GDSM is dull gray like a sweatpants or something 02:13 it's important to consider the aesthetics of your kit 02:13 <@Loggers_IX> eh wands are way easier to play against than polytraps and spellcasters in my opinion 02:13 [US] rebrane (Sam Hum Mal Law) received Excalibur, on T:22881 02:13 <@Loggers_IX> I just really hate losing armor lol 02:13 <@sceptross> I agree tho if you have most intrinsics MR becomes just better 02:14 tinklebear, Loggers, the boulder trap that killed me was triggered by my kitten 02:14 the little cutie 02:14 skill issue 02:14 bring a smarter kitten next time :B 02:14 <@spazm9000> SDSM is superior, almost always my first wish 02:14 and yes I was xp LV5, but only max HP:17 because a magic trap / fire effect had reduced my max HP by about 10-15 HP previously 02:14 <@Loggers_IX> reflection is never necessary ngl 02:14 @loggers_IX see how I stick to my guns 02:15 [US] [D]: qt (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 134 points, 330 turns, killed by a sewer rat 02:15 lmao and you call me a devteam apologist 02:15 /hj 02:15 <@Loggers_IX> yeah yeah umbire I see :p 02:15 <@sceptross> Im also an AoLS apologist 02:15 also yeah early fire effects suck dogshit lmao 02:15 <@sceptross> so that makes me lean towards SDSM too 02:16 <@spazm9000> i am a life saving enjoyer as well 02:16 <@sceptross> I have yet to trigger one this TNNT though *knocks on wood* 02:16 both choices are justifiable but I personally prefer GDSM 02:16 <@Loggers_IX> open your eyes to the fact that you can have no reflection and then use life saving 02:16 <@spazm9000> i just burned an amulet of life saving on my recent pacifist game 02:16 <@Loggers_IX> because reflection is categorically buns 02:16 [US] allanb (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:26602 02:16 [US] zoya (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) destroyed Gandelf's ghost, the former Candidate, on T:6268 02:16 you're categorically buns 02:16 <@post163> I did SDSM when I got an early wish (though I was playing a wiz) - it did not help me live that long. I should probably quit trying to dive as far as possible at XP:1. 02:17 [EU] Prowler (Arc Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:39342 02:17 you really should lol 02:17 <@sceptross> I think protection racket is a trap 02:17 anyway I think eating the invis ring grants permanent invis? 02:17 <@sceptross> even with my healer I didnt even think about doing it 02:17 <@Loggers_IX> one day you’ll make it to the castle at xp 1 though 02:18 <@spazm9000> no choice if you play pacifist 02:18 <@sceptross> LOL yeah 02:18 you could get 20xp reading a novel! 02:18 <@spazm9000> its not that hard as gnomish healer 02:18 <@Loggers_IX> protection racket is surprisingly really easy with gnome healer 02:18 <@spazm9000> human healer is harder with no infravision 02:18 yeah 02:18 can confirm 02:18 <@spazm9000> and angry gnomes 02:18 <@Loggers_IX> the downside is that you have to play gnome healer 02:19 you hear the drone of angry gnomes... 02:19 <@sceptross> @bigishkanani I thought gnomes were just worse humans 02:19 better humans 02:19 <@Loggers_IX> yeah they are that’s why I don’t play them even if they can do racket :p 02:19 rough edges knocked off 02:19 [EU] Prowler (Arc Hum Mal Law) bribed Baalzebub with 3 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:39640 02:19 <@sceptross> damn, baalzebub selling himself for cheap there 02:20 <@Loggers_IX> gnome healers when a singular jackal bite hits through their -15 AC and shaves off 97% HP: 02:20 <@Loggers_IX> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/503281133438369792/1308617838591737980/IMG_1295.png?ex=673e98d5&is=673d4755&hm=87d09cfcd2a05b28b3d9141c00603020baaa1c047b9171ade4816d3e089c46b6& 02:20 cap-tastic 02:20 <@Loggers_IX> on my momma grave 02:21 <@sceptross> is 3 bits even enough for an ale in this economy 02:21 humans when they fall into a spiked pit because they can't see worth a damn without a fancy flashlight 02:22 3 bits is enough for an ale in Laos right now 02:22 <@Loggers_IX> 3 bits is enough for baalzebub to fuck right off to the sulfur pits or whatever apparently 02:22 <@spazm9000> humans when they run into my gnomies in the mines 02:22 <@spazm9000> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/503281133438369792/1308618406328668230/218bxy4fa9sb1.png?ex=673e995d&is=673d47dd&hm=496bc9bddc0d30feb523965ab54d10f98d4c56a7f1ca2daf6b4b3cd38121e70f& 02:22 2 19yo girls in comas because of drinking methanol 02:22 <@Loggers_IX> lmao spazm 02:22 -!- bouquet has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:23 [US] [D]: zoya (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 5636 points, 6671 turns, killed by a horse 02:23 <@Loggers_IX> if I was a demon lord I’d be charging like 15k and if they didn’t give it to me I’m getting tf out anyway 02:24 <@Loggers_IX> because the devs only saw fit to give me like, two 1d6 claws and a 2d4 poison sting 02:24 <@Loggers_IX> 10 speed and 5 AC 02:24 <[> what if you were dnethack demogorgon? 02:25 <@sceptross> I never got to vlad in 3.4.3. so its crazy to me to see on paper how weak he was 02:25 <@Loggers_IX> I would put my chair in front of the upstairs and charge 500k 02:25 <@Loggers_IX> show a band lil bro 02:25 Asmo killed me once, forgot I didn't have cold res 02:25 <@Loggers_IX> show 500, in fact 02:25 <@spazm9000> i dunno i died on stream to asmodues before, he hits pretty hard if you forget to have cold res 02:25 [EU] Prowler (Arc Hum Mal Law) killed Yeenoghu, on T:40387 02:25 [EU] Prowler (Arc Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:40389 02:25 <@Loggers_IX> asmodeus hits COMICALLY hard if you don’t have cold res 02:25 otherwise he's basically toothless 02:25 <@Loggers_IX> the highest-damage vanilla monster by far 02:26 <@Loggers_IX> It’s like maxroll of 180 or something horrendous 02:26 <@sceptross> never faced him without cold res 02:26 <@spazm9000> i miss 3.4.3 vlad, it was hilarious 02:26 <@Loggers_IX> that’s fucked up even by variant standards 02:27 <@spazm9000> we all used to wield dumb shit like a tin opener and beat him to death with it for fun 02:27 towel was my favourite 02:27 <@spazm9000> i liked credit card 02:27 [AU] ais523 (Cav Gno Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed greased fireproof bag of holding", on T:31677 02:28 apple 02:28 <@Loggers_IX> yeah looking at the wiki if you want to fight asmodeus without cold resistance you get to deal with a light **30d6** cold spell 02:28 "How do you like them apples!" 02:28 core dumped indeed 02:28 <@Loggers_IX> I never got to see 3.4.3 Vlad and it makes me sad 02:28 [US] efot (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:35131 02:28 [EU] Prowler (Arc Hum Mal Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:40842 02:28 [US] efot (Arc Dwa Mal Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:35133 02:28 [EU] Prowler (Arc Hum Mal Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:40843 02:29 <@Loggers_IX> I guess I could play 3.4.3 but I don’t actually like that version so no thank you :p 02:29 <@spazm9000> https://codehappy.net/nethack/vladsbanes.htm 02:30 <@spazm9000> lol im on there 02:30 <@spazm9000> a wand of undead turning (0:7) (spazm) 02:30 <@spazm9000> i dont think thats how that wand is supposed to work 02:30 <@sceptross> LOL 02:30 seems like it's working as intended 02:30 you turned him 02:30 <@Loggers_IX> lol, “spellbook of healing named BE HEALED” 02:30 [EU] Furey (Cav Dwa Fem Law) has entered the Arena, on T:77104 02:32 [EU] Furey (Cav Dwa Fem Law) killed bleeko the Swashbuckler in a deathmatch, on T:77134 02:32 [US] [D]: qt (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 876 points, 1983 turns, killed by a rock piercer 02:32 [EU] Prowler (Arc Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed greased +2 cloak of magic resistance", on T:40968 02:33 [US] [D]: steveyo (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 5079 points, 3953 turns, killed by a water demon 02:34 [AU] ais523 (Cav Gno Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:31879 02:35 [backscroll] qt, all things tnnt uses UTC 02:36 [US] [D]: steveyo (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 11 points, 162 turns, killed by a bear trap 02:38 oh 02:38 ab K2 02:39 hi 02:40 can you confirm what Furey said wrt the wand of make invis 02:40 -!- Kontroller has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:40 p. sure it's a correct read but I like second opinions regardless 02:40 what did Furey say? 02:40 it's not on the logs? 02:41 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 02:41 furey has flaky internet, try furey01 to furey99 in your search 02:42 "if "ordinary" is true then it's always perm invis, and "ordinary" is always true for the usual case of zapping wand with dx = 0, dy = 0, dz = 0 (look at the declaration of zap_yourself and the call to zap_yourself)." 02:42 [US] naf (Val Dwa Fem Law) murdered her faithful kitten, on T:1941 02:42 -!- Furey91 has joined #tnnt 02:42 i.e. self-zapping always gives permanent invis 02:42 https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/blob/NetHack-3.6.7_Released/src/zap.c#L2382 lines for further context 02:42 furey said: wand of invis always confers permanent invis when self-zapped, because 'zap_yourself' gets called with 'ordinary' = TRUE in that case 02:43 [US] [D]: recuerdo (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 311 points, 1602 turns, killed by a bolt of fire 02:43 [EU] [D]: Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 241 points, 559 turns, killed by a gas spore's explosion 02:43 <@recuerdo> noooooooooooooooooooo 02:43 (and umbire is correct to seek multiple opinions, that's how you get reliable code reads) 02:44 also, the ring of invisibility gives permanent invisibility when eaten, yeah? 02:44 (subject to the usual ring-eating odds) 02:44 zapyourself is called with ordinary=FALSE for breaking a wand 02:44 -!- Furey12 has joined #tnnt 02:45 so i guess if you break it you may get temp invis 02:45 qt, thought so, I was priming to check for wand-breaking cases next 02:45 $lastgame recuerdo 02:45 tinklebear: [US] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/recuerdo/tnnt/dumplog/1732070602.tnnt.html 02:45 -!- Furey64 has joined #tnnt 02:45 -!- Furey96 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:46 -!- Changesite has quit [Quit: Changesite] 02:46 -!- Furey has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:47 * tinklebear was looking for this one instead: https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/recuerdo/tnnt/dumplog/1732068390.tnnt.txt 02:48 -!- Furey91 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:48 [US] allanb (Pri Elf Mal Cha) polymorphed his first item, on T:26677 02:49 "You start playing your horn. In what direction?" 02:49 . 02:49 -!- Furey12 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:49 , 02:49 < 02:50 he asked what direction 02:50 . 02:50 self 02:50 :D 02:50 rough crowd :) 02:51 lol 02:51 [US] rebrane (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Ashikaga Takauji, on T:26788 02:51 [US] rebrane (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:26790 02:51 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 02:52 lmao 02:52 -!- Furey87 has joined #tnnt 02:52 [US] efot (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed Juiblex, on T:36268 02:53 -!- Furey96 has joined #tnnt 02:54 -!- Furey12 has joined #tnnt 02:54 -!- Furey12 has quit [Client Quit] 02:54 so in addition to the ring question (though I imagine that's an answer of "true") 02:54 -!- Kontroller has joined #tnnt 02:54 [US] [D]: jackofclubs (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 3140 points, 3801 turns, killed by a hill orc 02:54 would breaking a charged wand of make invis also make monsters caught in the blast invisible? 02:54 -!- Furey7 has joined #tnnt 02:54 casual jaunt in apply.c didn't indicate anything in either direction 02:54 [EU] Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu) destroyed qt's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:1549 02:55 -!- Furey64 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:55 -!- Furey63 has joined #tnnt 02:56 -!- Furey has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:57 <@unit327> if you anger the quest leader, and manage to branchport back in, how do you "pacify" them? 02:57 [EU] [D]: Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 700 points, 1897 turns, killed by a water demon 02:57 -!- Furey87 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:57 [AU] ais523 (Cav Gno Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased fireproof +3 speed boots", on T:33276 02:57 -!- Furey96 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:58 [AU] ais523 (Cav Gno Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased rustproof +3 helm of telepathy", on T:33283 02:58 [EU] Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu) murdered his faithful kitten, on T:105 02:58 [US] TrigCreag (Ran Hum Fem Cha) made her first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:23195 02:59 [AU] ais523 (Cav Gno Mal Neu) wished for "marker", on T:33287 02:59 -!- Furey7 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:59 -!- Gandelf has left #tnnt 02:59 [US] TrigCreag (Ran Hum Fem Cha) made her first artifact wish - "the eye of the aethiopica", on T:23196 02:59 Same as you'd pacify any other monster 02:59 magic harp, charm monster, scroll of taming 03:00 Hourly Stats at 2024-11-20 03:00 UTC: Games: 15, Asc: 0, Scum: 1. 0d 04:43 gametime. (50%Elf), 10d 20:59 remaining. 03:01 <@spazm9000> oh no what happened? 03:02 <@unit327> https://www.twitch.tv/trigcreag 03:03 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 03:05 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:07 -!- Furey63 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:08 [US] naf (Val Dwa Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:5166 03:08 [US] naf (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a kobold lord, on T:5166 03:08 [US] [D]: naf (Val Dwa Fem Law), 3945 points, 5170 turns, killed by a dwarf lord 03:09 [US] bleeko (Pri Hum Mal Neu) killed Nalzok, on T:30091 03:09 [US] bleeko (Pri Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:30092 03:09 [AU] ais523 (Cav Gno Mal Neu) wished for "blessed rustproof amulet of life saving", on T:33354 03:10 good to know codehappy.net is still up 03:11 good guy(tm) and an awesome player 03:12 [US] arkanoid (Sam Hum Fem Law) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:7093 03:14 $whereis TrigCreag 03:14 tinklebear: [US] TrigCreag : (Ran Hum Fem Cha) T:23996 The Dungeons of Doom level: 12 03:14 [US] [D]: rebrane (Sam Hum Mal Law), 240547 points, 28990 turns, petrified by Medusa 03:16 -!- Furey64 has joined #tnnt 03:19 oh no 03:20 $lastgame rebrane 03:20 -!- Furey has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:20 tinklebear: [US] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rebrane/tnnt/dumplog/1732051410.tnnt.html 03:21 [US] dpmdpm (Rog Orc Fem Cha) destroyed jackofclubs' ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:4721 03:21 [US] allanb (Pri Elf Mal Cha) wished for "3 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:27579 03:21 "You hit Medusa! You meet Medusa's gaze." 03:21 XL 19 samurai 03:21 had stealth 03:22 [US] allanb (Pri Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed spellbook of identify", on T:27580 03:22 Medusa was asleep until rebrane hit her 03:22 :( 03:24 [US] steveyo (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a circular amulet on an altar, on T:5009 03:25 -!- Furey64 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:28 [US] allanb (Pri Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed wand of polymorph", on T:27640 03:29 [US] Bean (Ran Hum Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:43829 03:29 [US] Bean (Ran Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:43830 03:30 hate to see it 03:31 [US] dpmdpm (Rog Orc Fem Cha) destroyed steveyo's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:5961 03:31 [US] TrigCreag (Ran Hum Fem Cha) has entered the Arena, on T:25219 03:32 [US] TrigCreag (Ran Hum Fem Cha) killed eitlarry the Medicus ossium in a deathmatch, on T:25241 03:32 -!- a1 has joined #tnnt 03:34 [US] tjw (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:35468 03:34 -!- cathartes has joined #tnnt 03:35 [US] marion (Arc Dwa Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:73942 03:36 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 03:36 a lot of work for a unique death 03:37 i forgot which room she was in 03:38 [US] TrigCreag (Ran Hum Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a water nymph, on T:25537 03:38 [US] dpmdpm (Rog Orc Fem Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon her by Kos, on T:6605 03:38 I always use telepathy or whatever to check beforehand 03:39 especially so I don't get caught peeking through the bars 03:39 so TrigCreag got their wish (Eye of Aethiopica), but is Chaotic, so cannot pick up the Eye 03:39 -!- charlie14690 has joined #tnnt 03:41 Well not now they can't 03:41 or, no, misread 03:41 if they convert to neutral, they could 03:41 I don't know whether they've been admitted to the quest, though 03:42 [US] arkanoid (Sam Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:8479 03:42 (if they have, then they can just convert, and then use helm of opposite alignment to continue the quest) 03:44 [US] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) had Sunsword bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:29942 03:45 -!- Furey24 has joined #tnnt 03:45 lol, rebrane 03:46 [US] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) received Excalibur, on T:30023 03:47 [US] eitbo (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased +2 cornuthaum", on T:168851 03:48 [US] allanb (Pri Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:27790 03:48 aaand team q settles the fate of TrigCreag 03:49 -!- Furey has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:50 -!- Furey24 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:50 [US] a1 (Cav Hum Mal Law) received Excalibur, on T:15710 03:50 [US] naf (Val Dwa Fem Law) found kitten, on T:4785 03:51 [US] [D]: drivec (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 691 points, 2083 turns, killed by a giant bat 03:51 [US] [D]: TrigCreag (Ran Hum Fem Cha), 138560 points, 26074 turns, killed by a leocrotta, while fainted from lack of food 03:52 afaict, TrigCreag intentionally polymorphed into a water nymph 03:52 not obvious to me why. they were facing a yeti 03:53 [AU] ais523 (Cav Gno Mal Neu) killed the Chromatic Dragon, on T:34183 03:53 [AU] ais523 (Cav Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:34184 03:53 I kind of wonder if they thought being a nymph would make their alignment neutral or something 03:53 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 03:54 seems like a stretch, but... otherwise it's hard to understand the intentional polymorph 03:54 -!- Furey1 has joined #tnnt 03:54 -!- Furey74 has joined #tnnt 03:55 [US] dpmdpm (Rog Orc Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (master mind flayer), on T:7897 03:56 -!- Bleeko has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:58 -!- Furey has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:58 -!- blankman has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:59 -!- Furey1 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:00 -!- charlie14690 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:00 -!- blankman has joined #tnnt 04:00 [US] [D]: TrigCreag (Bar Hum Mal Cha), 437 points, 836 turns, killed by a gnome lord, while unconscious from rotten food 04:01 [US] [D]: rebrane (Ran Hum Mal Neu), 570 points, 1270 turns, killed by a hobbit 04:01 It's not that much of a stretch, all nymphs are neutral 04:01 so the logic's p. straightforward, up to the "would that actually work" part 04:04 [US] arkanoid (Sam Hum Fem Law) destroyed Smiles' ghost, the former Lookout, on T:9316 04:05 heh, I suppose so, Umbire 04:05 which, I never considered for myself if that'd work, so 04:06 [US] [D]: rebrane (Ran Hum Mal Neu), 506 points, 834 turns, killed by a gnome lord 04:07 I intended to watch ttyrecs of a parked game so I could reorient myself before I restart it and mess it all up 04:07 [US] allanb (Pri Elf Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:28217 04:07 [US] a1 (Cav Hum Mal Law) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon him by Anu, on T:17855 04:08 but instead I've been watching other people mess their own up :d 04:08 :D 04:08 :( 04:08 :? 04:11 good night, all 04:11 night 04:11 o/ 04:11 [EU] Furey (Cav Dwa Fem Law) killed the Chromatic Dragon, on T:80521 04:11 -!- tinklebear has left #tnnt 04:13 [EU] moop (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Yeenoghu, on T:24632 04:14 [US] [D]: a1 (Cav Hum Mal Law), 39884 points, 18173 turns, killed by a troll 04:19 [US] tsowell (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:28689 04:20 [US] [D]: TrigCreag (Cav Hum Fem Neu), 1348 points, 1831 turns, killed by a magic missile 04:21 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 04:22 [US] [D]: rebrane (Ran Hum Mal Neu), 1128 points, 1554 turns, killed by a dwarf, while sleeping 04:22 [US] a1 (Cav Hum Mal Law) had Sunsword bestowed upon him by Anu, on T:1465 04:22 -!- Furey94 has joined #tnnt 04:23 [US] [D]: a1 (Cav Hum Mal Law), 499 points, 1585 turns, killed by a wererat 04:24 -!- Furey71 has joined #tnnt 04:25 -!- Furey74 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:25 [EU] Furey (Cav Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:80573 04:26 -!- Furey has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:27 -!- Furey94 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:31 [US] a1 (Cav Hum Mal Law) murdered Nemo, his faithful little dog, on T:596 04:32 [US] tsowell (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased bag of holding", on T:28807 04:32 [US] [D]: rebrane (Ran Hum Mal Neu), 242 points, 869 turns, killed by a gnome lord 04:36 [AU] unit327 (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:13274 04:40 [US] [D]: arkanoid (Sam Hum Fem Law), 34204 points, 11712 turns, killed by a warg 04:41 [US] [D]: a1 (Cav Hum Mal Law), 976 points, 1696 turns, killed by a water demon 04:44 [US] eitbrad (Kni Hum Fem Law) had Dragonbane bestowed upon her by Lugh, on T:19240 04:45 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 04:46 [US] nmlkj (Bar Hum Mal Cha) murdered his faithful little dog, on T:2855 04:47 -!- a1 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:47 -!- Furey71 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:49 [US] AmElm (Cav Dwa Mal Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:51256 04:50 [US] AmElm (Cav Dwa Mal Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:51287 04:50 -!- Furey37 has joined #tnnt 04:53 -!- Furey has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:53 [US] PigInZen (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) murdered his faithful kitten, on T:2318 04:54 In breaking news, Gnomesville has been devastated by a storm 04:54 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-20/heavy-rain-whips-south-west-wa-damaging-crops-gnomesville/104623902 04:55 not the gnomies!!! 04:55 (genuinely hope the people there are okay) 04:55 exact casualties unknown, but ""There's a lot of gnomes that have met their final time" 04:55 it's "A bit sad to see" 04:55 [US] GrmlyFndsh (Rog Hum Mal Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Kos, on T:4188 04:56 [US] [D]: elmegil (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 2316 points, 3036 turns, killed by a large dog 04:56 warning: graphic content 04:57 no humans unjured AFAIK, but a number of gnomes met their ends 04:57 [US] [D]: elmegil (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 32 points, 198 turns, killed by a carnivorous bag 04:58 YUM YUM 04:59 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 05:00 Hourly Stats at 2024-11-20 05:00 UTC: Games: 12, Asc: 0, Scum: 0. 43594 turns, 82142 points. (83%Hum), 10d 18:59 remaining. 05:00 [US] crunchbubba (Sam Hum Mal Law) destroyed TrigCreag's ghost, the former Aborigine, on T:2546 05:00 -!- Furey37 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:02 -!- Changesite has joined #tnnt 05:03 -!- floating_eye has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:04 -!- floating_eye has joined #tnnt 05:05 [US] marion (Arc Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:80204 05:05 [US] marion (Arc Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:80206 05:05 [AU] ais523 (Cav Gno Mal Neu) killed the invisible Juiblex, on T:37217 05:08 [AU] unit327 (Val Dwa Fem Law) removed spazm's uncursed +4 gray dragon scale mail from the swap chest, on T:14570 05:10 [US] [D]: johnnyteapot (Arc Hum Mal Law), 357 points, 1275 turns, killed by a small mimic 05:13 [AU] ais523 (Cav Gno Mal Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 26 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:37496 05:15 [US] nmlkj (Bar Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a red mold, on T:5811 05:21 [EU] [D]: khamul (Bar Hum Mal Cha), 8398 points, 7537 turns, killed by a horse, while praying 05:21 [US] allanb (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed Croesus, on T:32789 05:22 [AU] unit327 (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:15608 05:22 [US] [D]: johnnyteapot (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1107 points, 1638 turns, killed by a homunculus, while sleeping 05:24 [AU] ais523 (Cav Gno Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:38104 05:25 [AU] ais523 (Cav Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:38108 05:26 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 05:27 [AU] Grasshopper (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) has entered the Arena, on T:51362 05:31 [US] [D]: PigInZen (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 2342 points, 2683 turns, killed by Mr. Hyeghu; the shopkeeper 05:31 [AU] Grasshopper (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed aosdict the Collector in a deathmatch, on T:51407 05:34 chose the +3 ring of increase damage, thank you very much 05:34 [AU] ais523 (Cav Gno Mal Neu) killed Orcus, on T:38446 05:38 [US] eitm9l (Bar Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 boots of speed", on T:30786 05:38 [US] nmlkj (Bar Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8971 05:38 [US] eitm9l (Bar Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed ring of free action", on T:30791 05:39 ais523, since you're around-ish 05:40 [US] eitm9l (Bar Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed magic marker", on T:30794 05:40 is it true that monsters won't makes themselves invisible if they're wearing a mummy wrapping 05:40 $lastgame arkanoid 05:40 anselmus: [US] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/a/arkanoid/tnnt/dumplog/1732062683.tnnt.html 05:40 bit of testing indicates they won't do so 05:41 [US] eitm9l (Bar Orc Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:30806 05:41 -!- raisse has joined #tnnt 05:41 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 05:42 [US] ChongLi (Mon Hum Mal Cha) bribed Asmodeus with 333 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:48212 05:42 [US] eitm9l (Bar Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 gauntlets of power", on T:30820 05:46 [US] eitm9l (Bar Orc Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:30905 05:47 [US] [D]: johnnyteapot (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1878 points, 2548 turns, killed by a gnome king 05:50 -!- robin has joined #tnnt 05:53 [US] [D]: johnnyteapot (Arc Hum Mal Law), 570 points, 1132 turns, killed by a sewer rat 05:54 [US] marion (Arc Dwa Fem Law) murdered Forrestal II, her faithful Green-elf, on T:82577 05:58 [US] anselmus (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) removed ais523's uncursed +0 yellow dragon scale mail from the swap chest, on T:9904 05:59 ahh -9 06:00 Current Day as of 2024-11-20 06:00 UTC: Games: 61, Asc: 1, Scum: 1. 265912 turns, 2852745 points. 2d 12:19 gametime. (30%Wiz), (60%Hum), (40%Neu), (65%Mal), 10d 17:59 remaining. 06:05 [AU] Grasshopper (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) removed bleeko's uncursed wand of locking (0:4) from the swap chest, on T:51686 06:09 [US] allanb (Pri Elf Mal Cha) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon him by Mars, on T:36167 06:10 [US] eitm9l (Bar Orc Mal Cha) bribed Asmodeus with 299 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:31878 06:14 [AU] Grasshopper (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:51829 06:14 [AU] Grasshopper (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:51834 06:14 [US] eitm9l (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:32112 06:14 [AU] ais523 (Cav Gno Mal Neu) wished for "blessed marker", on T:40880 06:15 [US] [D]: johnnyteapot (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1323 points, 2547 turns, killed by a small mimic 06:17 [AU] Grasshopper (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:51860 06:19 [US] [D]: johnnyteapot (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 247 points, 869 turns, killed by a gas spore's explosion 06:20 [AU] ais523 (Cav Gno Mal Neu) wished for "2 blessed jade stones", on T:40885 06:21 [AU] ais523 (Cav Gno Mal Neu) wished for "2 blessed aquamarine stones", on T:40888 06:21 [US] eitm9l (Bar Orc Mal Cha) bribed Baalzebub with 500 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:32518 06:23 [US] fadein (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:18487 06:23 -!- elenmirie has joined #tnnt 06:23 [AU] ais523 (Cav Gno Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fireproof drum of earthquake", on T:40892 06:24 [AU] ais523 (Cav Gno Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fireproof magic flute", on T:40892 06:25 [US] dbanethacker (Val Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:14584 06:27 [US] fadein (Val Dwa Fem Law) removed ais523's uncursed +2 silver saber from the swap chest, on T:18561 06:29 lol, just killed 3 priest of Moloch with a single FoD 06:30 [US] epiksalad (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by engraving "elbereth", on T:3390 06:30 I don't even remember putting a +2 silver saber into the swap chest – it must have been an identified saber which I threw in because I had it handy 06:30 * an unidentified saber 06:30 I vaguely remember doing that 06:31 is it true that monsters won't makes themselves invisible if they're wearing a mummy wrapping ← sorry, was focused on something else – I can maybe check after this game 06:31 You're fine, take your time 06:31 [US] [D]: johnnyteapot (Arc Hum Mal Law), 771 points, 1772 turns, killed by a gnome lord 06:32 [AU] Grasshopper (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:52068 06:32 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:32 [AU] Grasshopper (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:52073 06:34 [US] [D]: epiksalad (Val Dwa Fem Law), 3724 points, 3485 turns, killed by an orc shaman called Uthosogthos of Uthosai 06:35 [US] lispwitch (Tou Hum Fem Neu) found kitten, on T:3041 06:35 [AU] ais523 (Cav Gno Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fireproof +3 rubber hose", on T:40990 06:36 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 06:38 [US] eitm9l (Bar Orc Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:33900 06:39 [US] eitm9l (Bar Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:33902 06:39 [US] [D]: lispwitch (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 4778 points, 3274 turns, killed by a crossbow bolt 06:48 [US] eitm9l (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed Orcus, on T:34286 06:49 [AU] ais523 (Cav Gno Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:41815 06:49 [AU] ais523 (Cav Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:41816 06:51 [AU] Grasshopper (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) averted death (petrified by a cockatrice corpse), on T:52454 06:52 [US] cathartes (Pri Hum Fem Cha) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:21563 06:52 [AU] ais523 (Cav Gno Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:41869 06:57 [US] cathartes (Pri Hum Fem Cha) has entered the Arena, on T:21829 06:58 [AU] ais523 (Cav Gno Mal Neu) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:42029 06:58 [AU] ais523 (Cav Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:42034 07:00 [US] cathartes (Pri Hum Fem Cha) killed eitwinston the invisible Wayfarer in a deathmatch, on T:21881 07:03 huh, I just reached XL15 through combat experience – that doesn't happen very often 07:07 [US] cathartes (Pri Hum Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:22127 07:08 [AU] ais523 (Cav Gno Mal Neu) killed Asmodeus, on T:43023 07:11 [US] tjw (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:37028 07:18 [US] tjw (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) made her first wish - "magic marker", on T:37245 07:19 [US] tjw (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fireproof +3 cornuthaum named Obligatory Pointy Hat", on T:37246 07:27 [AU] ais523 (Cav Gno Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:43957 07:27 -!- mobileuser has joined #tnnt 07:29 [US] eitm9l (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:37078 07:29 [US] eitm9l (Bar Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:37079 07:32 [US] eitm9l (Bar Orc Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:37254 07:33 [US] cathartes (Pri Hum Fem Cha) killed Asmodeus, on T:22789 07:34 [EU] [D]: Fukka (Arc Gno Mal Neu), 216 points, 584 turns, killed by a fox 07:40 [AU] ais523 (Cav Gno Mal Neu) murdered his faithful jabberwock, on T:44203 07:41 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 07:41 Turncount? 07:41 [US] eitm9l (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:37517 07:41 I guess in high TC games it will happen eventually 07:41 [US] eitm9l (Bar Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:37521 07:41 [AU] ais523 (Cav Gno Mal Neu) killed Pestilence, on T:44212 07:41 Maybe faster if you fight a lot of high xp sea monsters or something 07:42 Like kraken are worth quite a bit I think 07:42 [US] cathartes (Pri Hum Fem Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:23210 07:44 [US] wormy (Rog Orc Fem Cha) murdered her faithful kitten, on T:2 07:45 [AU] ais523 (Cav Gno Mal Neu) killed Famine, on T:44274 07:46 [US] tjw (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) has entered the Arena, on T:37867 07:46 [EU] [D]: Fukka (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 1163 points, 1976 turns, killed by a black naga hatchling 07:48 [AU] ais523 (Cav Gno Mal Neu) killed Death, on T:44322 07:48 [US] cathartes (Pri Hum Fem Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:23555 07:49 [US] [D]: Masami (Val Hum Fem Law), 11002 points, 16391 turns, killed by an owlbear, while paralyzed by a monster 07:49 [US] [D]: zyll (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 113 points, 507 turns, killed by a falling rock 07:49 [US] tjw (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) killed elfwarrior the Swashbuckler in a deathmatch, on T:37925 07:49 [US] crunchbubba (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:9105 07:51 [AU] [A]: ais523 (Cav Gno Mal Neu), 2358112 points, 44342 turns, ascended 07:51 https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/a/ais523/tnnt/dumplog/1732004963.tnnt.html 07:51 gg 07:51 thanks 07:51 the game turned very lucky after the point where it was already won anyway 07:51 so I started doing achievements 07:52 Turncount? ← 42000ish – it's definitely possible to ascend before then, but not super high 07:54 [US] wormy (Sam Hum Mal Law) made his first wish - "cursed scroll of genocide", on T:877 07:55 [US] wormy (Sam Hum Mal Law) murdered Hachi, his faithful little dog, on T:878 07:56 on consecutive turns? 07:57 for me anything above 20k is high but I've seen upwards of 100k and I think for most players 20-40k is pretty average 07:58 [US] [D]: wormy (Sam Hum Mal Law), 263 points, 891 turns, killed by a steam vortex (and 2 other games not reported) 07:58 around 40k seems to be average for a "normal" game which mostly clears the entire dungeon but doesn't do excessive grinding 07:58 below that usually means you are skipping things, above that is a farming/grinding game 07:59 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:00 Yeah 100% dungeon clearing without full on farming or extinctionism coming in at 40k makes sense 08:00 [US] cathartes (Pri Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:24015 08:00 I think many players do not clear everything though, because it's not necessary to win 08:01 Like, imagine fully looting and exploring all of gehenomm 08:02 Just. Tedious 08:02 it's actually not as bad as you'd think – I was going for Mineralogist so mostly explored every Gehennom level for gems 08:02 but I was using purchased clairvoyance so it went by quite quickly 08:03 I think not having a bag pre-Medusa (and not having a bag of holding pre-Castle) actually slowed me down more 08:04 [US] eitm9l (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:39083 08:05 anyway, a lot of skipping is definitely possible, I skip more when playing regular games, but I am being a bit more cautious than usual for the tournament 08:06 -!- anselmus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:09 [US] cathartes (Pri Hum Fem Cha) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:24305 08:09 orcus has TWO wands of death 08:09 but he used one all up 08:10 even so, it may still be useful to recharge 08:10 Yeah bagless is just brutal 08:10 [US] eitm9l (Bar Orc Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:39553 08:11 bagless is not actually difficult, just time-consuming 08:11 I have 17 death charges 08:13 that's more than I usually have, although normally I feel like I don't have enough 08:14 but that's partly because if I have a lot of death charges, I do Death last on Astral, so they run out fairly quickly but I don't need them for third altar 08:15 -!- elenmirie has joined #tnnt 08:18 -!- raisse has joined #tnnt 08:21 -!- Umbire has joined #tnnt 08:23 <@Umbyre (he/him)> GGs ais 08:24 [US] eitm9l (Bar Orc Mal Cha) averted death (killed by an air elemental), on T:39998 08:24 That'll be the Planes E then? 08:24 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:24 [US] cpittman (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:35691 08:26 Anyway, how was it ais523 08:26 [US] cpittman (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:35699 08:29 Umbire: took a lot of tries to get started, but this particular game went fairly smoothly – early crystal plate into Orctown into Mjollnir 08:29 and that was enough to dive the swapchest 08:29 nice nice 08:31 the swapchest appears to be a really significant balance difference between unmodified 3.6 and TNNT – it gives an early-game location to dive to, and if you're careful about which servers you play on and/or coordinate with your clan, it is very likely to give an item that hugely helps with your survival 08:31 Sokoban was reflection, and I had no bag before Perseus, so there was a lot of running around 08:32 oh, also I intentionally got crowned very early – once I had MR from the swap chest and reflection from Sokoban, the largest threat was poison, and crowning was the most reliable way to get PR 08:33 at least it means no hunting down corpses for intrinsics is necessary, so I used an =oSD throughout much of the game, which I don't normally do 08:34 [US] eitm9l (Bar Orc Mal Cha) genocided class ;, on T:40271 08:37 -!- elenmirie has joined #tnnt 08:39 Aye 08:39 Go on 08:39 oh, then I did the Castle, and the rest was straightforward 08:39 I found a wand of wishing deep in Gehennom but used it for achievements, thus there are a lot of weird wishes in the Croesus reports above 08:41 like, if you already have MR and reflection pre-Castle, once you get the Castle wand the details of the rest of the run aren't really important, there are any number of ways you can win from there 08:41 [EU] Kontroller (Val Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:12373 08:42 in this case I went for Tanking It, and then kept my -50 AC setup for the rest of the game 08:45 [US] eitm9l (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed Famine, on T:40469 08:45 -!- cathartes has quit [Quit: fly away] 08:49 Right 08:49 I was asking because I figured you had more insights to share 08:52 [US] eitm9l (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed the invisible Death, on T:40535 08:55 [US] eitm9l (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed Pestilence, on T:40601 08:58 [US] [A]: eitm9l (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 2676478 points, 40617 turns, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/e/eitm9l/tnnt/dumplog/1731969623.tnnt.html 08:59 gg 08:59 ais523, before I forget, the question I was asking earlier 08:59 what insight do you have WRT monsters going invis 09:00 -!- Changesite has quit [Quit: Changesite] 09:04 Umbire: sorry, don't have time to answer now – remind me later 09:04 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 09:04 no problem, enjoy your morning(?) 09:04 aw dangit lol 09:08 [AU] unit327 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:21373 09:08 [AU] unit327 (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:21376 09:18 -!- Haudegen has joined #tnnt 09:21 -!- Changesite has joined #tnnt 09:22 [EU] elenmirie (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:32735 09:23 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 09:23 [EU] elenmirie (Kni Hum Fem Law) genocided class L, on T:32793 09:33 -!- Changesite has quit [Quit: Changesite] 09:34 [AU] unit327 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:22044 09:39 [US] Zolar (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a freezing sphere, on T:37287 09:39 [AU] unit327 (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:22093 09:43 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:54 [EU] elenmirie (Kni Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +3 cloak of protection", on T:33820 09:55 [EU] elenmirie (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:33827 09:58 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 10:01 -!- mobileuser has joined #tnnt 10:04 -!- raisse has joined #tnnt 10:07 [US] wisp (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased amulet of life saving", on T:39059 10:15 [US] wisp (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:39543 10:23 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:27 -!- Arseniy has joined #tnnt 10:30 [EU] breadmaster (Sam Hum Fem Law) made her first artifact wish - "The magic mirror of merlin", on T:30372 10:30 [EU] breadmaster (Sam Hum Fem Law) wished for "the magic mirror of merlin", on T:30372 10:37 [EU] breadmaster (Sam Hum Fem Law) wished for "the magic mirror of merlin", on T:30374 10:38 [EU] breadmaster (Sam Hum Fem Law) wished for "the magic mirror of merlin", on T:30375 10:44 [US] efot (Arc Dwa Mal Law) entered the Planes, on T:37738 10:44 [US] efot (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:37740 10:45 [EU] DoktorL (Mon Hum Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:6406 10:47 [US] efot (Arc Dwa Mal Law) genocided class ;, on T:37861 10:48 [EU] xhtmlcoder (Mon Hum Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:51481 10:48 [EU] DoktorL (Mon Hum Mal Law) removed Sceptross' uncursed amulet of reflection from the swap chest, on T:6523 10:54 -!- ais523 has joined #tnnt 10:54 [US] [A]: efot (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 2202750 points, 38020 turns, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/e/efot/tnnt/dumplog/1731813277.tnnt.html 10:54 [EU] Furey (Cav Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:88087 10:56 [US] wisp (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (class h), on T:41751 10:57 grats efot 10:57 [EU] DoktorL (Mon Hum Fem Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon her by Shan Lai Ching, on T:8543 10:57 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:58 $tell Umbire it is the case that monsters won't turn invisible if wearing a mummy wrapping – the monster structure has a field "invis_blkd" that tracks whether the monster is wearing a mummy wrapping, and monster AI functions like find_misc check it to determine whether to turn invisible 10:58 No worries, ais523, I've got this! 10:58 -!- Umbire has joined #tnnt 10:59 Umbire: it is the case that monsters won't turn invisible if wearing a mummy wrapping – the monster structure has a field "invis_blkd" that tracks whether the monster is wearing a mummy wrapping, and monster AI functions like find_misc check it to determine whether to turn invisible 10:59 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:59 hmm, I guess Umbire will see it the next time the connection is working properly 11:00 [EU] DoktorL (Mon Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "holy fixed greased +2 cloak of magic resistance named this is how you play kids", on T:8612 11:00 -!- Umbire has joined #tnnt 11:00 So I read that correctly, yeah 11:00 Umbire: Message from ais523 at 2024-11-20 10:58 UTC: it is the case that monsters won't turn invisible if wearing a mummy wrapping – the monster structure has a field "invis_blkd" that tracks whether the monster is wearing a mummy wrapping, and monster AI functions like find_misc check it to determine whether to turn invisible 11:00 I got the message just before the DC 11:03 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 11:09 my guess is that this is to prevent an AI loop – if the check weren't there (but mummy wrapping still worked), monsters might try to turn invisible repeatedly because they would see that they aren't invisible and have an invisibility source available 11:10 (sorry for disappearing on you earlier, there were Real Life things I needed to do) 11:11 [EU] Fukka (Tou Hum Fem Neu) destroyed johnnyteapot's ghost, the former Field Worker, on T:1879 11:11 [EU] Fukka (Tou Hum Fem Neu) murdered her faithful little dog, on T:1887 11:11 [EU] breadmaster (Sam Hum Fem Law) averted death (killed by invisible Asmodeus), on T:31009 11:13 [EU] [D]: Fukka (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 1432 points, 2434 turns, killed by a crossbow bolt 11:16 -!- mobileuser has joined #tnnt 11:16 You're fine, dw 11:16 ab mobileuser 11:16 -!- Arseniy has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 11:16 ab Umbire 11:16 [EU] Kontroller (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:16356 11:17 -!- nurdglaw has joined #tnnt 11:18 [EU] breadmaster (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:31174 11:19 [EU] xhtmlcoder (Mon Hum Fem Neu) genocided master mind flayer, on T:51824 11:24 -!- jientho has joined #tnnt 11:25 [EU] [D]: rossyrg (Val Hum Fem Law), 426 points, 1439 turns, killed by a kitten 11:33 [EU] rossyrg (Val Hum Fem Law) found kitten, on T:1026 11:40 [AU] unit327 (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:24069 11:44 [US] [D]: jientho (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 2423 points, 3340 turns, killed by a plains centaur, while praying 11:48 [EU] [D]: rossyrg (Val Hum Fem Law), 1428 points, 3085 turns, killed by a killer bee 11:52 [EU] Prowler (Arc Hum Mal Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:44244 11:53 [EU] Ashpool (Bar Hum Mal Cha) was chosen to steal souls for the Glory of Set, on T:26188 11:57 [EU] Prowler (Arc Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed oilskin sack", on T:45200 11:59 [AU] unit327 (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "2 blessed charging", on T:24795 12:00 Current Day as of 2024-11-20 12:00 UTC: Games: 79, Asc: 4, Scum: 1. 431529 turns, 10119418 points. 4d 17:24 gametime. (26%Wiz), (58%Hum), (38%Neu), (64%Mal), 10d 11:59 remaining. 12:01 [US] Zolar (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) has entered the Arena, on T:41610 12:02 [US] Zolar (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) cravenly fled from bleeko the Swashbuckler in a deathmatch, on T:41650 12:03 [AU] unit327 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:24858 12:03 huh, that's a very fast flee 12:03 -!- Bleeko has joined #tnnt 12:03 normally when I flee the deathmatch it's because I've spent a couple of thousand turns and still haven't figured out a way to damage the opponent 12:06 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:07 [EU] breadmaster (Sam Hum Fem Law) wished for "magic marker", on T:31719 12:09 [EU] Ashpool (Bar Hum Mal Cha) has entered the Arena, on T:27669 12:10 [AU] unit327 (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided master mind flayer, on T:25173 12:10 [EU] breadmaster (Sam Hum Fem Law) wished for "amulet of life saving", on T:31724 12:11 [US] Zolar (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:42313 12:11 [EU] [D]: Ashpool (Bar Hum Mal Cha), 179638 points, 27781 turns, killed by a fire giant 12:12 [EU] Furey (Cav Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:89892 12:13 [US] wisp (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:46861 12:16 [US] bleeko (Pri Hum Mal Neu) became Hermes' Envoy of Balance, on T:31260 12:18 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 1879 points, 3841 turns, killed by a baby long worm 12:27 [US] wisp (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 3149 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:48383 12:28 [AU] Tangles (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:24289 12:33 [US] jientho (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) found kitten, on T:921 12:39 [EU] mobileuser (Bar Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:41961 12:39 [US] bleeko (Pri Hum Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:32189 12:40 [EU] mobileuser (Bar Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:41970 12:45 [EU] mobileuser (Bar Hum Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:41976 12:52 [US] wisp (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed Yeenoghu, on T:50044 12:55 so reading wiki pages, I discovered that it's possible, through a convoluted chain of events, to temporarily make the Wizard of Yendor peaceful (although he turns hostile again the next time he revives) 12:56 maybe that could make for an achievement? 12:58 thinking about it, TNNT is really "Stupid Ascension Tricks: the tournament" 12:58 [EU] [D]: blankman (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 1454 points, 5350 turns, killed by a giant beetle 12:59 [EU] mobileuser (Bar Hum Mal Neu) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:42181 12:59 i fought bleeko the swashbuckler npc. ac -46. not gonna touch it with weapons unless high xp. 12:59 [EU] mobileuser (Bar Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:42183 13:01 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 2240 points, 3802 turns, killed by a soldier ant 13:02 I just realised that my Tanking It game might become a deathmatch opponent with AC -48 (I don't think rings of protection work for monsters) 13:03 npc's, like other monsters, don't wear rings 13:03 also no divine prot 13:03 [US] [D]: jientho (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 576 points, 1917 turns, killed by a poisonous corpse 13:04 oh yes, I was maxed out on divine protection, so AC -39 – not so bad 13:05 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 13:05 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 13:06 yeah if i remember harder, bleeko the swashbuckler npc was ac -46 in the dumplog and ac -37 on the playing field 13:10 [EU] dedal has 1100 consecutive games less than 100 turns. 13:10 1100?! 13:11 what sort of startscum has odds that low? 13:11 oh that fucker is back 13:11 [US] [D]: IsPotato (Val Hum Fem Law), 2745 points, 2444 turns, caught herself in her own magical blast 13:13 [US] dbanethacker (Val Hum Mal Neu) destroyed TrigCreag's ghost, the former Scout, on T:17630 13:13 [EU] Kontroller (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:21566 13:14 [US] [D]: IsPotato (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 298 points, 354 turns, killed by a poisonous corpse (and one other game not reported) 13:15 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 1019 points, 2474 turns, killed by a rothe 13:20 [EU] Kontroller (Val Hum Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:22233 13:23 hmm, what would you even startscum a Rogue for? it's just insta-quit startscumming but I didn't thing Rogues had anything desirable enough in starting inventory – perhaps a fountain in the opening room? 13:30 -!- elenmirie has joined #tnnt 13:30 [US] wisp (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased magic marker", on T:50270 13:33 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 13:34 [US] eitwinston (Ran Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed rustproof +2 gauntlets of power", on T:60493 13:34 now that BilldaCat has a decent run to beat I should really try to get a TC run going 13:34 still ten days left 13:36 [AU] Tangles (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed the Dark One, on T:28414 13:36 [AU] Tangles (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:28415 13:36 ais523 - potion of sickness could be smoky 13:36 only thing i can think of 13:36 K2: oh, good idea 13:36 those games are going by faster than I could check the unIDed description of the potions 13:36 but maybe they've got fast at it with practice 13:37 he's manually scumming this time vs bot from what I can tell so far 13:37 K2: so when going for unique deaths, I wait 1000 turns in the starting room in order to grind up that stat, before going for the actual death – is that what you had in mind when you added the "games>1000 turns" leaderboard? 13:38 I think this may be an argument for removing it 13:38 especially as it rather spams IRC 13:38 I mean desire to TC run intensifies 13:38 [US] dbanethacker (Val Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed rustproof +2 gauntlets of power", on T:17952 13:38 aosdict did all the leaderboard work 13:39 [US] dbanethacker (Val Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed +2 grey dragon scale mail", on T:17957 13:39 [US] nmlkj (Bar Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed greased +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:17394 13:40 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/d/dedal/tnnt/dumplog/1732108368.tnnt.html is a game they did play 13:40 T:4655 moves in 17 minutes. 13:40 You read items or engraved 406 times. 13:40 You engraved Elbereth 305 times. 13:40 The ttyrec might be illuminating, it's like they engrave Elbereth on every move. 13:40 Inventory still has a !oSickness so they aren't scumming for smoky poison potion. 13:41 back in the 3.4.3 era, Elbereth-spam bots managed to get to Medusa fairly often, even without advanced tactics being implemented 13:42 if they fell below about 60-70% HP they would just dust Elbereths continuously until they were healed up 13:42 some humans played like that too, it was effective 13:42 this is what prompted the 3.6.x rounds of Elbereth changes 13:43 Maybe they got hold of a 3.4.3 era bot and are trying it out. 13:44 -!- Haudegen has quit [Quit: Bin weg.] 13:44 I was working on one of the bots, back then 13:44 trying to see if I could write one that used more intelligent strategy than just E-spamming (although the E-spam was there as a fallback) 13:45 it did come up, by itself, with a strategy for the bigroom that I hadn't seen before (and have trouble replicating myself, although it seemed to work when the bot used it) 13:45 I'm kinda surprised at the low state of the art of NetHack playing bots. 13:45 Facebook held a competition for NetHack AIs a while ago, they were much worse than the manually coded bots, and even those were pretty bad (although one of them was able to ascend) 13:45 now I'm thinking about a story I read about someone who was doing a nethack bot with deep learning or neural nets or whatever, and got confused when the typical scores suddenly changed 13:46 oh, was that a moon phase effect? 13:46 turned out because they hadn't included any full moons in the training data yes 13:46 Ahahaha I chased that story down ... they were not modelling state-of-the-moon in their inputs 13:46 one thing I learned from my work on bot development is that the "do you want your possessions identified?" message only comes up if you actually have possessions 13:47 -!- mobileuser has joined #tnnt 13:47 the bot was using it to detect game over, but it turns out to not be 100% reliable 13:47 [EU] elenmirie (Kni Hum Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:34794 13:47 it is possible to change the order of the endgame messages, if we were still working on the bot I would probably configure it to put conduct first as there's no way for that to not come up 13:47 [US] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:34229 13:48 afaict there are two kinds of bot writers. One is using NetHack as an interesting test bed for general techniques. The other is NetHack-specific. NetHack is too hard for the general techniques, and there is no money or big enough community for writing an expert system based on human-written rules. 13:49 I have done some work on automated scum bots, in Perl and Rust 13:49 well, in addition to TNNT, I have been playing in some bridge tournaments recently – bridge bidding is another example of something that seems too hard to define for the general techniques to work, and human-written rules being standard in the bot development 13:49 Both are available on my GitHub but IIRC are not really well-documented or necessarily expected to work out of the box 13:49 eh, everyone here is senior to me in bot-writing experience :) 13:50 although some bots do try to learn the bids that humans make by looking at examples rather than using handwritten rules, it doesn't work all that well because sometimes the meanings are quite subtle 13:50 https://github.com/aoeixsz4/titm-rs/ is the Rust project, does some low level tty hackery 13:51 https://github.com/aoeixsz4/scumwiz is simpler, uses Perl and GNU screen 13:51 But yeah neither of these are truly game playing bots, they just do some automated testing of first floor wands IIRC 13:52 [EU] [D]: Gandelf (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 167 points, 294 turns, killed by a gas spore's explosion 13:52 And some UI parsing and response stuff 13:52 but what brings it to nightmare levels of combinatorial explosion is that each partnership can define its own meanings for the bids, and those depend on the meanings of the opponents' bids 13:52 aoei: ah, is the idea to scum for a D:1 wand of wishing? 13:52 Yeah 13:52 But it also checks for some start inv things 13:52 Or can run in inv-only scumming 13:53 Mind you it's been years since I looked at either repo, they might be in a broken state 13:53 last time I tried to get my bot working, the code it used to detect when the game had stopped sending wasn't working any more 13:54 although there is nowadays an easy fix, which is to just turn on vt_tiledata which has a specific "I'm done sending" code 13:54 :o 13:54 Nice 13:54 Is that a recent addition, 3.7 only or also in 3.6? 13:55 I think it's even in 3.4.3-NAO, but recent relative to that codebase 13:55 Ah okay 13:55 looks like 3.4.3-NAO and 3.6.1 13:55 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 828 points, 3087 turns, killed by a rothe 13:55 I didn't know about it, would be useful for titm-rs 13:56 Which really should be renamed or split into two repos because it bills itself as a generic terminal wrapper thingy but has loads of nethack scumming specific code 13:57 [EU] [D]: Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 261 points, 765 turns, killed by a large mimic 13:57 [EU] elenmirie (Kni Hum Fem Law) removed Prowler's blessed fireproof +4 pair of speed boots from the swap chest, on T:35040 13:57 <@Loggers_IX> sorry, people make bots for bridge bidding? like, the card game? 13:57 Apparently! 13:57 yes 13:58 for the play, too, but that is more amenable to brute-force techniques 13:59 [US] wisp (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) destroyed the invisible Vlad the Impaler, on T:51797 13:59 [US] wisp (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:51799 13:59 if you generate 100 random sets of possible unseen hands, then find the play that works on the greatest number of those, the resulting play is weird in a number of ways but still ends up beating most humans (but not the top players) 13:59 <@Loggers_IX> perhaps embarrassingly, I always heard of it talked about as a game for old people and so have never played much 14:00 Hourly Stats at 2024-11-20 14:00 UTC: Games: 151, Asc: 0, Scum: 133. 0d 01:51 gametime. (61%Dwa), 10d 09:59 remaining. 14:00 it's marketed primarily to old people, who mostly like playing it in person – but playing it online is also possible, and those games often have a lot of bots involved 14:01 <@Loggers_IX> sheepshead is my card game of choice but barely anyone plays it so I don’t play cards much :p 14:01 I play in a couple of online bridge tournaments most weeks 14:01 <@Loggers_IX> poker is pretty fun too 14:01 <@Loggers_IX> but everyone knows poker 14:01 I used to play it! 14:02 I was young, but it was usually me, my older sister, and two of our grandparents. :-) 14:02 bot poker is weird; simplified versions of the game have been solved and there are bots that play them perfectly, but with more complex versions it gets hard for computers quickly 14:02 (bridge I mean, though I have also played poker [not with my grandparents]) 14:03 Bridge is a pretty good game actually, imo 14:03 I am bad at poker, but have the advantage of knowing that I'm bad at poker and thus not betting (and thus not losing) any money on it 14:04 Ha 14:04 [EU] dedal has 100 consecutive games less than 100 turns. 14:04 <@Loggers_IX> hah nice aoei 14:04 <@Loggers_IX> I always played with my family 14:05 fwiw I think bridge is a hard game for general AI techniques in part because it's badly defined 14:05 [US] [D]: k2 (Cav Dwa Mal Law), 424 points, 1291 turns, killed by a kobold zombie (and 8 other games not reported) 14:06 <@Loggers_IX> I have played a couple hours of poker a day nearly every day this year and still no royal flush 😞 14:06 <@Loggers_IX> what a scam 14:07 [EU] [D]: dedal (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 26 points, 14920 turns, killed by a large cat (and 7 other games not reported) 14:07 now I'm trying to remember if I've ever held a 150 honours hand (the bridge equivalent – AKQJT in the same suit) 14:07 it's much easier in bridge because you have 13 cards in your hand rather than 5 14:07 but still quite unlikely 14:09 <@Loggers_IX> ehh cause I’m realizing that statement might be a bit worrying, to be clear I play with friends and we rarely play for money :p 14:10 likewise, although I play a lot of bridge, it's in tournaments with fixed, small entry fees and there is no additional money at risk 14:11 [EU] Furey (Cav Dwa Fem Law) wished for "magic marker", on T:92603 14:11 it's ok, you can make up for the lack of being a cool gambler with contemporary sports betting apps 14:11 [US] dbanethacker (Val Hum Mal Neu) killed Lord Surtur, on T:18956 14:11 [US] dbanethacker (Val Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:18958 14:16 [EU] Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Fukka's ghost, the former Sightseer, on T:2600 14:18 [EU] Furey (Cav Dwa Fem Law) wished for "magic marker", on T:92663 14:23 [EU] breadmaster (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:34174 14:24 [EU] breadmaster (Sam Hum Fem Law) murdered her faithful housecat, on T:34233 14:25 [US] [D]: nabru (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 428 points, 466 turns, killed by a gnome 14:27 -!- Bleeko has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:31 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 14:35 [US] rancat (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:45132 14:35 [US] rancat (Tou Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:45134 14:38 [US] recuerdo (Kni Hum Mal Law) rejected atheism by turning undead, on T:4963 14:38 [US] [D]: recuerdo (Kni Hum Mal Law), 1066 points, 5005 turns, killed by a giant mimic (and one other game not reported) 14:39 [US] kickerofelves (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) murdered his faithful kitten, on T:1169 14:39 [US] [D]: nabru (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 2003 points, 1152 turns, killed by a fire ant 14:39 aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa (literally) 14:42 [US] [D]: kickerofelves (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 850 points, 1313 turns, killed by a large kobold 14:42 [EU] elenmirie (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:36196 14:43 [EU] elenmirie (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:36197 14:47 -!- Haudegen has joined #tnnt 14:48 [US] [D]: kickerofelves (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 130 points, 508 turns, killed by a jackal 14:49 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 14:50 [EU] mobileuser (Bar Hum Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:44219 14:53 [EU] Furey (Cav Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed magic flute", on T:92784 14:53 [EU] Furey (Cav Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed magic harp", on T:92787 14:54 [EU] Furey (Cav Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed drum of earthquake", on T:92790 14:54 [US] [D]: recuerdo (Kni Hum Fem Law), 490 points, 2041 turns, killed by a little dog 14:55 -!- spontiff has joined #tnnt 14:55 [EU] xhtmlcoder (Mon Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fireproof +3 pair of speed boots", on T:53830 14:57 [EU] Furey (Cav Dwa Fem Law) wished for "magic marker", on T:92841 15:00 [EU] breadmaster (Sam Hum Fem Law) destroyed the invisible Vlad the Impaler, on T:35319 15:00 [EU] breadmaster (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:35321 15:05 [US] [D]: Zolar (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 270732 points, 45324 turns, choked on a pancake 15:05 [US] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:35120 15:06 [US] [D]: kickerofelves (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 303 points, 1319 turns, killed by a gas spore's explosion (and one other game not reported) 15:06 -!- Furey has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:09 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 15:12 uh oh, need some help - my game just crashed! k2? 15:14 [EU] breadmaster (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:35713 15:16 Suddenly, the dungeon collapses. To report this error, Contact the TNNT admins on Libera.Chat IRC channel #tnnt and it may be possible to rebuild. goto_level: no corresponding portal! 15:21 oh no! 15:21 which level was this regarding? 15:21 The Quest portal level 15:22 I got myself kicked out of the quest, but the portal in the main dungeon still showed, and I stepped in it when the game crashed 15:22 -!- Bleeko has joined #tnnt 15:22 wow 15:24 [US] [D]: kickerofelves (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 260 points, 743 turns, killed by a bolt of cold 15:25 [EU] Kontroller (Val Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (master mind flayer), on T:26276 15:25 the portal in main dungeon is supposed to disappear when hero is expelled ... i can see how that portal somehow being around would crash 15:26 if you get the game back, don't touch the portal ... if it's pre-expulsion, give up on that ach this game. my two cents. 15:26 And I was expecting it to vanish, so I was surprised it was still there 15:27 it's so dumb that it panics on that 15:27 -!- Furey5 has joined #tnnt 15:27 Does the server keep backup savefiles? 15:27 it could try to send you back, but that would be complicated. it could also just impossible and say "good luck figure it out" 15:28 and then place you at a random spot on the destination level 15:28 [US] [D]: spazm (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 217 points, 1268 turns, killed by a bolt of fire 15:28 tjw i believe so, i had two panics in 2022 and k2 recovered from an earlier state 15:28 Oh was that the one will filling Astral? 15:28 *with 15:29 -!- sludgegunkman has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:29 -!- sludgegunkman has joined #tnnt 15:30 [EU] elenmirie (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:37475 15:30 first one was panic in the swap chest code, i peeked in the chest after putting about 90 items in. second one was filling astral with a lot of non-blob monsters so they were moving around and some monster did something that panic'd from lack of space. after the second panic, k2 told me to kill some monsters. so i did, and gave up on rider blocking. 15:31 -!- Furey has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:31 [US] eitwinston (Ran Elf Mal Cha) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:60673 15:32 [EU] elenmirie (Kni Hum Fem Law) bribed Asmodeus with 14 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:37604 15:33 [US] eitwinston (Ran Elf Mal Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:60675 15:33 go mobile! 15:33 [US] eitwinston (Ran Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:60681 15:34 -!- spontiff has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:35 [US] [D]: recuerdo (Kni Hum Mal Law), 390 points, 1745 turns, killed by a large kobold 15:35 [EU] [D]: Fukka (Val Dwa Fem Law), 968 points, 2589 turns, killed by a fire ant 15:35 thx cbus, but I will have to continue later tonight :-) 15:35 -!- callforjudgement has joined #tnnt 15:35 -!- ais523 has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by callforjudgement))] 15:35 -!- callforjudgement is now known as ais523 15:36 [EU] elenmirie (Kni Hum Fem Law) bribed Baalzebub with 40 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:37731 15:36 damn :D 15:36 dishes? 15:37 lol no but there is life away from the laptop :-P 15:42 [US] eitwinston (Ran Elf Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:60819 15:43 tjw which server? 15:43 [EU] elenmirie (Kni Hum Fem Law) destroyed the invisible Vlad the Impaler, on T:38037 15:43 [EU] elenmirie (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:38040 15:44 US server 15:44 [EU] Prowler (Arc Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:45470 15:44 [EU] Prowler (Arc Hum Mal Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:45472 15:45 ok one sec 15:45 [EU] Prowler (Arc Hum Mal Law) performed the invocation, on T:45495 15:45 [US] bleeko (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:32978 15:46 [EU] Prowler (Arc Hum Mal Law) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:45581 15:46 [EU] Prowler (Arc Hum Mal Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:45584 15:46 game is recovered, but an emergency save was made, so we'll see if you're ok 15:46 ok I'll try 15:47 what's the level range for the robotfindskitten portal? in particular, can it ever overlap with the level range for the quest portal? 15:47 ok I'm back in 15:47 (just thinking about TNNT-specific things that might matter, if not it is presumably a vanilla bug) 15:47 ais523 i dont think it can overlap, but i'm not 100% certain 15:47 i need to look 15:48 [EU] [D]: blankman (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 232 points, 661 turns, killed by a gnome lord 15:48 nope it shouldnt 15:48 CHAINBRANCH: "robotfindskitten" "oracle" + (-2, 1) portal 15:48 CHAINBRANCH: "The Quest" "oracle" + (6, 2) portal 15:48 Ok thanks K2! 15:48 tjw o/ 15:48 sorry for the wait 15:49 CHAINBRANCH: "robotfindskitten" "oracle" + (-2, 1) portal 15:49 Interesting that this time, the portal didn't stick around 15:49 yep, no overlap 15:50 [US] bleeko (Pri Hum Mal Neu) removed xhtmlcoder's uncursed ring of levitation from the swap chest, on T:33057 15:50 [EU] elenmirie (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:38277 15:50 [EU] Prowler (Arc Hum Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:46755 15:50 alright lets see how many more dorf cavemen i can kill off before lunch 15:50 it is surprising how much of a difference Oracle depth makes 15:50 3.6 is much easier with shallow Oracle than deep Oracle – I took that into account when making 3.7's early game easier (you get more help if the Oracle level is deep) 15:51 Hopefully my yellow diamonds will reappear 15:52 tjw: what did you have pending that disappeared? 15:52 [US] [D]: k2 (Cav Dwa Mal Law), 60 points, 167 turns, fell into a pit (and 2 other games not reported) 15:52 [US] [D]: Zolar (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 3597 points, 4051 turns, fell into a pit of iron spikes 15:52 oh, I see why this is a panic, not an impossible 15:53 it has already unloaded the old level and loaded the new level by the time it realises the portal is missing 15:53 so it can't place the player back where they were 15:53 #222, #245, #289 15:54 [US] rancat (Tou Hum Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:45436 15:54 Is it the case that the destination portal is gone, but not the source portal? 15:54 yeah but it could just impossible ais 15:54 and dump them at a random spot on the level 15:54 that is objectively less bad than destroying the save 15:54 they might be stranded 15:55 [EU] Prowler (Arc Hum Mal Law) entered the Planes, on T:47903 15:55 tjw: that message indicates that the destination portal is gone – it doesn't necessarily indicate that the source portal is still there but something had to cause you to arrive on the level via a portal transition, so it's very likely 15:55 oh man, hope you get them back. cornuthaum is easy enough but don't want to quest another wiz! 15:56 one interesting thing I noticed is that in my recent ascension, one of the achievements I got on the Planes was yellow-diamonded before the ascension showed up on the site, even though I didn't save afterwards 15:56 I wonder if the achievements still get counted when the game ends, despite what the yellow diamonds show? 15:56 and then switched to green tick when the ascension showed up 15:56 [EU] Kontroller (Val Hum Fem Neu) became Odin's Envoy of Balance, on T:28959 15:56 which makes me think the yellow diamonds are on an entirely separate system 15:56 do they show on #ach in game? 15:57 [EU] [D]: Fukka (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 453 points, 1634 turns, killed by a gecko 15:57 [EU] Prowler (Arc Hum Mal Law) genocided class ;, on T:48052 15:57 [EU] Furey (Cav Dwa Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:95009 15:57 Bleeko: yes they do 15:58 yellow diamonds show earned ach in progress, game has not ended yet 15:58 [EU] [D]: Xotius (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 1296 points, 1720 turns, killed by a tengu 15:58 they'll switch from yellow to green checkmark once the game is over (and the website has processed new data) 15:58 [EU] Prowler (Arc Hum Mal Law) killed Death, on T:48109 15:58 it's not immediate 15:58 tnnt site data is processed every 10 min 15:59 [US] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) became literate by reading a book, on T:5192 15:59 -!- tinklebear has joined #tnnt 15:59 [EU] Prowler (Arc Hum Mal Law) killed Famine, on T:48166 15:59 K2 should I expect yellow diamonds to reappear? 16:00 Hourly Stats at 2024-11-20 16:00 UTC: Games: 18, Asc: 0, Scum: 0. 61497 turns, 278583 points. (44%Cav), 10d 07:59 remaining. 16:00 tjw, did you get banned via angry ql hitting you and kicking you out or by failing too many timess? 16:00 did they go away or turn green? 16:00 [EU] Prowler (Arc Hum Mal Law) killed Pestilence, on T:48211 16:00 and when i recovered your game, how far back did it place you? 16:00 they turned to red X 16:00 [EU] [A]: Prowler (Arc Hum Mal Law), 2486416 points, 48232 turns, ascended 16:00 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/P/Prowler/tnnt/dumplog/1732046612.tnnt.html 16:00 gg Prowler 16:00 congrats, Prowler! 16:01 grats prowler 16:01 thanks 16:01 It was only a few turns back, in-game shows the achievements as earned 16:01 that Astral looked so different from mine 16:01 gg Prowler! 16:01 [EU] [D]: blankman (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 489 points, 1244 turns, killed by a wand 16:01 tjw: have you saved and reloaded since the recovery? 16:01 i wouldnt worry about it. they'll count once the game is over 16:01 yes 16:02 grats prowler 16:03 [US] rancat (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:45589 16:03 [US] rancat (Tou Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:45590 16:04 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 16:04 [US] crunchbubba (Sam Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a golden naga hatchling, on T:9799 16:04 time for excalibur science. i have excalibur in a bag. it is staying in the bag. i have 7 GP. i just arrived on Asmodeus's level. 16:06 I find that sometimes I don't get a bribe offer even if excalibur has never existed in the game, but don't know what causes that – invisibility/displacement might matter 16:06 -!- Furey5 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:07 [EU] [D]: dedal (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 266 points, 3260 turns, killed by a gas spore's explosion (and 13 other games not reported) 16:07 is 6 gp not sufficient to guarantee negotiation? 16:08 * tinklebear stumbles through arithmetical problems empirically 16:09 ooh, is that what matters? I normally carry 3, for the achievement 16:09 but if carrying a little more saves time… 16:09 [US] Zolar (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:1445 16:10 i'm not after the achievement, already got it. i want to see if asmodeus will ask for a bribe. 16:10 -!- Arseniy has joined #tnnt 16:11 [EU] xhtmlcoder (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:55266 16:11 I don't know, ais523. last game I didn't get an offer from Asmodeus carrying 3 gp, but that may well have been because of displacement. 16:11 [EU] dedal (Rog Hum Mal Cha) ate for the first time - newt corpse, on T:3665 16:11 [EU] dedal (Rog Hum Mal Cha) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a newt corpse, on T:3665 16:11 [EU] Furey (Cav Dwa Fem Law) bribed Asmodeus with 1 zorkmid for safe passage, on T:95407 16:11 * tinklebear doesn't remember what he was wearing at the time 16:11 Asmodeus demands 1 zorkmid for safe passage. 16:12 \o/ 16:12 So carrying Excalibur in a bag does not ruin the bribe opportunity. 16:12 When I get to Baalzebul, I will carry Excalibur in open inventory, and never wield it. 16:13 tinklebear: i seem to recall that with too little gold, and bad dice rolls, the bribe request can calculate to 0 GP, which means no bribe, straight to attack 16:13 I just found the code, even carrying it in open inventory doesn't matter as long as it's not wielded when the checks are made – there are two checks, one when you enter the level and one when the monster talks to you 16:13 I've seen it happen several times. 16:13 Hence the experiments. 16:13 ah, thank you, Furey. makes sense! 16:14 the "when you enter the level" is the hard one to avoid, you would have to unwield Excalibur whenever you changed level in case you were about to enter a lair 16:14 but now that I know the rules, it may be possible to do bribing even in Excal games 16:14 It's not hard to avoid, I wield Grayswandir all the time, and don't wield Excalibur. 16:14 -!- jmcunx has joined #tnnt 16:14 well, hard to avoid if you're relying on Excalibur 16:15 My point is that my remembered experience conflicts with the code you're reading. So I'm being real careful now with this experience. 16:15 prudent to have a backup weapon in any event 16:16 [EU] DoktorL (Mon Hum Fem Law) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:11831 16:16 (if you rely on weapons) 16:16 my remembered experience involved not being able to figure out the pattern, but "excal wielded upon entering level" is a factor I hadn't taken into account 16:16 Convenient. Baalzebub is next level down. 16:17 it's very validating that I'm not the only one a bit confused by the bribery conditions! 16:17 I have Excalibur in open inventory but have not wielded it since VOTD. 16:17 does a wet towel count as a backup weapon? 16:17 lol, ais523 16:18 <[> Isn't 1zm enough for bribing in vanilla? 16:18 the question is as to how much gold you need in open inventory to maximise the chance of a 1zm bribe offer 16:18 there's some swing in the percentage of your gold the lords demand, noisytoot 16:18 from my experience, ais523 is right: if I don't forget to unwield Excalibur on entry and interaction, and have 10zm, it's a guaranteed bribe 16:18 [US] recuerdo (Kni Hum Fem Law) destroyed Fukka's ghost, the former Skirmisher, on T:5151 16:18 [US] [D]: k2 (Cav Dwa Mal Law), 1271 points, 2082 turns, killed by a killer bee (and 5 other games not reported) 16:19 ...and if floor division makes the amount come out to zero, then you won't recieve an offer 16:19 ooh, there's an unmul() call in the bribery code, I wonder if that's abusable for TAS shenanigans 16:20 -!- Furey69 has joined #tnnt 16:20 <[> ais523: did the devteam receive my email about doc/tmac.n being non-free? 16:20 that's a digression. the question i'm raising is whether baalzebub will ask for a bribe when i have excalibur in open inventory and have not wielded it for a long time. 16:21 [EU] Furey (Cav Dwa Fem Law) bribed Baalzebub with 57 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:95776 16:22 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:22 [: at least I received it but it isn't my area 16:22 [US] rancat (Tou Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "marker", on T:46963 16:22 okay, baalzebub did appear, and did ask for a bribe. so i don't have a smoking gun. oh well. 16:22 -!- Furey has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:22 * tinklebear nominates Furey69 for the Royal Society 16:23 (or would, if he had the power) 16:23 -!- qt has joined #tnnt 16:23 -!- mode/#tnnt [+o qt] by ChanServ 16:23 [US] [D]: recuerdo (Kni Hum Fem Law), 4166 points, 5655 turns, killed by a black unicorn 16:23 [EU] [D]: Xotius (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2536 points, 2974 turns, killed by a wand 16:24 [US] [D]: qt (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 846 points, 1583 turns, poisoned by a rotted newt corpse, while helpless 16:24 [EU] [D]: xororand (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 2359 points, 2444 turns, killed by a dwarf 16:25 [EU] DoktorL (Mon Hum Fem Law) received Excalibur, on T:12812 16:25 [US] [D]: qt (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 198 points, 497 turns, killed by a giant rat 16:26 [EU] Fukka (Sam Hum Mal Law) destroyed Xotius' ghost, the former Cutpurse, on T:3057 16:26 so the following things prevent a bribe being offered: Excalibur wielded upon entering the level; Excalibur wielded upon the bribe request; the size of the demanded bribe evaluating to 0; helplessness; deafness; the demon being unaware of your correct location 16:26 [US] Zolar (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:3263 16:26 [US] [D]: spazm (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 1331 points, 6648 turns, killed by a bolt of fire, while sleeping off a magical draught 16:27 most of those produce specific messages – the "Excalibur wielded upon entering the level" case doesn't 16:27 [US] [D]: PigInZen (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 2421 points, 2351 turns, killed by a watchman 16:28 and demanded bribe = 0 and helplessness don't either 16:28 i saw a case a few days ago where i entered asmo level, dug down, traversed, came up from below, and asmo was already mad. 16:28 hard to think of what message would fit for "Excalibur when entering" since it's something that happened in the past. I guess something like "You feel an air of hostility." upon entering the level 16:28 turned out there were bones on the level and previous character had fallen into the level and touched self with a c corpse. 16:30 and was definitely wielding the c corpse in the dumplog 16:30 [US] eitwinston (Ran Elf Mal Cha) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:61137 16:30 could be asmo was "unaware of my current location" when i came upstairs from below 16:30 [US] eitwinston (Ran Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:61139 16:30 i think "unaware of your correct location" is more like if you have displacement 16:30 but I might be misremembeering 16:30 I think that might be a case of the flags not being set correctly when loading a monster from bones 16:31 Furey69: did the dead hero have excalibur? just not wielding it? 16:31 statue didn't respond to bribe offer 16:31 :D 16:31 the game makes some attempt to set monsters that should be peaceful to peaceful, when loading bones, but it probably doesn't adjust the bribe-offer-related flags 16:31 so it's quite plausible that the whole bribe code didn't run at all and the conditions didn't matter 16:31 qt: yes, dead hero had excalibur in open inventory, but was wielding c corpse 16:32 yeah probably wielding excalibur when entering the level and then asmo's status was not reset in bones 16:33 their dumplog map did not even show the staircase. they died from cockatrice touch. the dumplog said they were wielding the cockatrice. 16:33 [EU] [D]: Xotius (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 497 points, 1488 turns, killed by a pony 16:34 -!- Bleeko has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:34 would be more realistic not to reset status, if previously angered 16:34 it would be impossible for them to be wielding excalibur, fall into a trap, and then switch to cockatrice just in time to get (weapon in hand) on the cockatrice in the dumplog 16:34 [EU] Fukka (Sam Hum Mal Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4230 16:34 [EU] [D]: Fukka (Sam Hum Mal Law), 4683 points, 4233 turns, killed by a mumak 16:35 [US] [D]: qt (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 2232 points, 2126 turns, killed by a killer bee 16:35 -!- Bleeko has joined #tnnt 16:36 that's a great bones situation, btw 16:36 https://hardfought.org/userdata/m/mrflash818/tnnt/dumplog/1730667386.tnnt.html 16:37 [US] [D]: qt (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 86 points, 538 turns, killed by a small mimic 16:37 (the dumplog is much more useful than my recollection of the dumplog) 16:37 hmm, is the bones left on the old or new level if you fall through a trapdoor wielding a c corpse? 16:38 i found those bones, on the new level 16:39 i actually encountered asmodeus before i found the bones. there was no ghost. 16:39 "woah woah, man. who pissed in your Cheerios" 16:39 [US] [D]: recuerdo (Kni Hum Mal Law), 423 points, 1401 turns, killed by a gnome lord 16:39 "oh, this guy" 16:40 OK, it's on the new level 16:40 -!- Haudegen has quit [Quit: Bin weg.] 16:41 [US] [D]: qt (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 583 points, 1291 turns, killed by a gnome lord 16:41 the map from the dumplog doesn't have a staircase. old hero (mrflash818) didn't come to this level earlier with a staircase. (can't rule out levelport but it's really unlikely) 16:41 oh I see what you mean Furey69 16:42 [EU] breadmaster (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:39712 16:43 so i dunno why asmodeus was mad at me later. but i just saw for myself, an ordinary case where i carry Excalibur in open inventory, baalzebul was fine with that and asked for a bribe. 16:44 -!- elenmirie has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:44 [US] eitwinston (Ran Elf Mal Cha) removed eitbo's blessed scroll of charging from the swap chest, on T:61958 16:44 Baal giving you benefit of the doubt. Touching 16:45 "Maybe he just picked it up? Could just be a collector" 16:45 Furey69: I think I know what happened: I think demons always start out hostile in a bones level, because the game resets peaceful status when loading bones level and bribes only happen if the monster is peaceful 16:45 [US] bleeko (Pri Hum Mal Neu) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:35385 16:46 e.g. say you find an orc's bones as an elf – you'd want peaceful orcs in the bones file to load hostile and hostile elves in the bones file to load peaceful, so the game rechecks every monster on the level for peaceful/hostile when loading bones 16:46 and that doesn't seem to take bribe possibilities into account 16:47 [EU] DoktorL (Mon Hum Fem Law) destroyed Zolar's ghost, the former Enchanter, on T:14745 16:47 [US] [D]: sackofcookies (Kni Hum Fem Law), 377 points, 2741 turns, died of starvation, while frozen by a monster's gaze 16:47 that unfortunate person choked on a pancake with a boh full of stuff 16:47 [US] qt (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) destroyed recuerdo's ghost, the former Esquire, on T:1399 16:47 [US] jmcunx (Tou Hum Mal Neu) found kitten, on T:2334 16:48 i have definitely found peaceful same-race monsters clustered around a pile of bones. 16:48 "sup" "not much" "what's with the bones?" "oh that dwarf was being a d*ck" "ikr? can i have the stuff?" "help yourself" 16:48 [US] Grouchy (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:41147 16:50 [US] karibou (Cav Dwa Fem Law) had Grayswandir bestowed upon her by Anu, on T:17892 16:50 Zolar chokes on pancakes while sackofcookies dies of starvation desperately trying to kill a floating eye for nutrition 16:51 such vast inequality smh 16:51 [US] qt (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) destroyed recuerdo's ghost, the former Bachelor, on T:1692 16:51 I had a "choke on something small while oversatiated" accident earlier this tournament, but fortunately I was wearing "oLS 16:51 sackofcookies would have been terribly disappointed. a floating eye only has 10 nutrition 16:52 they were clearly starving! 16:52 also, in theory isn't this the sort of inequality the swap chest is designed to fix? except that a) people normally take DSM and b) you can't put food into it anyway 16:52 for sure 16:52 YASI: when taking DSM from a swap chest, you should get the dragon corpse too 16:52 lol, ais 16:53 [US] Grouchy (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:41339 16:54 you can put spinach in 16:55 I actually didn't realise that 16:55 <@Loggers_IX> can you put in tins that give good intrinsics 16:55 fwiw, I've been wondering whether dragon meat tins should be allowed, but kind-of like the way you have to put in resistance rings instead (or amulets vs poison) 16:56 [US] [D]: recuerdo (Kni Hum Fem Law), 790 points, 2412 turns, killed by a coyote 16:56 [US] allanb (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed Nalzok, on T:40127 16:56 wiki says: royal jelly, wolfsbane, spinach 16:57 [US] allanb (Pri Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:40138 16:57 on the recipient's side, a tin of dragon meat is basically strictly better than a ring of poison res (there are some corner cases involving gremlins and polypiling but they hardly matter) 16:57 err, tin of green dragon meat 16:57 (some conduct cases excepted) 16:58 oh right, also food-related conducts 16:58 tweaking the "allowed" set won't change player experience much ... problem is server locality makes it smart to play wherever the top donors are playing 16:58 [US] [D]: drivec (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 302 points, 1268 turns, killed by a small mimic 16:58 the tin of green dragon meat breaks vegan, vegetarian, and swapchestless 16:58 [US] PigInZen (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) averted death (killed by a rothe), on T:1908 16:59 and foodless 16:59 :D "...and swapchestless" 16:59 [EU] DoktorL (Mon Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:14861 17:00 Hourly Stats at 2024-11-20 17:00 UTC: Games: 107, Asc: 1, Scum: 86. 0d 12:16 gametime. (38%Wiz), 10d 06:59 remaining. 17:01 it would have been funnier if I remembered foodless the first time 17:01 -!- Furey69 has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:01 [US] Grouchy (Mon Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed amulet of life saving", on T:41642 17:04 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 17:07 [US] hothraxxa (Mon Hum Mal Cha) removed charlie14690's uncursed ring of teleport control from the swap chest, on T:9966 17:08 [EU] xhtmlcoder (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed Asmodeus, on T:55520 17:09 -!- Furey27 has joined #tnnt 17:10 [US] [D]: sackofcookies (Kni Hum Fem Law), 1089 points, 1996 turns, killed by a killer bee 17:10 w00t! wine cellar and i have an amethyst and fruit juice is smoky 17:11 doesn't that level have a guaranteed amethyst anyway? 17:11 -!- Furey has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:11 [US] [D]: Zolar (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 5385 points, 5585 turns, killed by a killer bee 17:12 yes and i already found it 17:13 i have lots of fruit juice now 17:13 -!- nurdglaw has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:13 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:14 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 17:14 [EU] [D]: kleptomman (Arc Hum Mal Law), 114 points, 573 turns, killed by a small mimic 17:14 [US] jackofclubs (Rog Orc Mal Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Kos, on T:4713 17:15 [EU] elenmirie (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:39077 17:15 -!- Furey27 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:15 [EU] DoktorL (Mon Hum Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:15279 17:15 -!- elenmirie has joined #tnnt 17:16 [EU] elenmirie (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:39087 17:16 [EU] [D]: post163 (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 186 points, 594 turns, killed by a dwarf (and 2 other games not reported) 17:17 [US] hothraxxa (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:10294 17:17 [EU] elenmirie (Kni Hum Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:39103 17:17 [US] haldisse (Cav Dwa Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3679 17:17 -!- Umbire has joined #tnnt 17:17 [US] [D]: haldisse (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 2127 points, 3694 turns, killed by a giant ant 17:18 -!- Bleeko has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:22 [US] Bartlem (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:34169 17:23 [US] qt (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:4485 17:23 [US] Bartlem (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:34171 17:24 [EU] [D]: post163 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 553 points, 2049 turns, killed by a pony, while fainted from lack of food 17:24 [US] eitwinston (Ran Elf Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:62707 17:25 [EU] [D]: post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 68 points, 106 turns, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 17:26 [EU] [D]: kleptomman (Val Dwa Fem Law), 308 points, 940 turns, killed by a homunculus, while sleeping 17:26 [EU] DoktorL (Mon Hum Fem Law) wished for "2 holy charging", on T:16075 17:27 [EU] elenmirie (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible high priestess of Moloch, on T:39389 17:27 [EU] elenmirie (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:39393 17:27 [EU] DoktorL (Mon Hum Fem Law) wished for "marker", on T:16078 17:27 [EU] Furey (Cav Dwa Fem Law) genocided disenchanter, on T:97989 17:28 [EU] Furey (Cav Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:98000 17:28 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 17:28 [EU] Furey (Cav Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:98001 17:30 [US] Bartlem (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:34516 17:31 [EU] DoktorL (Mon Hum Fem Law) wished for "marker", on T:16642 17:31 [AU] [D]: post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 58 points, 161 turns, slipped while mounting a saddled pony (and 2 other games not reported) 17:32 [US] [D]: sackofcookies (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 171 points, 1216 turns, killed by a large kobold, while fainted from lack of food 17:32 [US] [D]: Zolar (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1252 points, 1496 turns, killed by a gnome 17:32 <@recuerdo> It is not so easy to open this tin. KABOOM!! The tin was booby-trapped! 17:32 <@recuerdo> │You stagger... Achievement unlocked: "Practical Joke" 17:32 <@recuerdo> YESSSSSSSSS 17:32 \o/ 17:32 [US] [D]: Staengia (Arc Hum Mal Law), 3474 points, 4085 turns, killed by a wand 17:32 [US] rancat (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:48261 17:33 <@recuerdo> I don't know WHY that achievement has been so difficult to come by, but it has 17:33 could be a tough roll to get 17:34 [US] qt (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:5660 17:34 [EU] DoktorL (Mon Hum Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:16712 17:34 hasn't happened to me more than a couple of times. though I don't generally make a habit of opening cursed tins, I don't usually check their BUC anyways 17:35 <@recuerdo> yeah definitely 17:35 *more than a couple of times over a long history 17:35 <@recuerdo> well and I marked it down on my spreadsheet as "going to accomplish without trying" 17:35 any idea about the exploding box thing? 17:35 challenge accepted! i will defend my clan's position by ... making a large box explode in my face! 17:35 like, is it just a super rare trapped box effect? 17:36 lol, Furey 17:36 <@recuerdo> along with, uhhhhhhh, of the achievements that I have not yet gotten, "Explode a large box or chest," "Read 3 random graffiti," "Enter a cockatrice nest," and "Kill every orc in orctown" 17:36 [US] rancat (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:48355 17:36 <@recuerdo> I think so? but I aLSO think it's one of the things where if your luck is good, it'll be like "luckily, the charge is diffused" 17:36 oh hey. that's very insightful 17:37 interesting! 17:37 <@recuerdo> so I think the answer is, like, check all chests for traps, DON'T UNTRAP THEM just mark them, save them, get your luck reasonably low, open without untrapping 17:38 wow. you really have these worked out! 17:38 :D 17:39 [EU] Dictyostelium (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) genocided class h, on T:35663 17:41 <@recuerdo> OR just get unlucky with the right chest, but so far that hasn't worked out 17:41 seems like I always get the dazed and confused hallu gas thing 17:41 <@recuerdo> or the fire 🙂 17:41 <@recuerdo> "gosh, u didn't want these scrolls or potions in your open inventory, right?" 17:41 [US] rancat (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Death, on T:48444 17:41 oh yeah, that one too :/ 17:42 occasional poisoned needle 17:42 [US] [D]: sackofcookies (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 151 points, 1056 turns, poisoned by a rotted jackal corpse, while fainted from lack of food 17:42 can't say I remember one ever exploding 17:43 in normal play, exploding chest is much more rare than exploding tin 17:43 <@recuerdo> fingers crossed 17:43 [US] eitwinston (Ran Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:62979 17:44 <@recuerdo> I strongly doubt that I'm a good enough player to get all the achieves (although I've surprised myself a lot this November, and I'm definitely going to try) but I really REALLY want at least 300 17:44 <@recuerdo> on one hand, I am SO CLOSE, on the other hand, we are scraping the bottom of the achievement barrel here 17:46 you're super close. I kind of thought you were already thre 17:46 *there 17:46 <@recuerdo> 292! 293 counting this game 17:46 [US] eitwinston (Ran Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed cockatrice corpse", on T:63049 17:46 damn 17:46 :D 17:47 [US] [A]: rancat (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 1756361 points, 48470 turns, ascended (and one other game not reported) https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rancat/tnnt/dumplog/1731697018.tnnt.html 17:47 -!- raisse has joined #tnnt 17:47 [EU] [D]: kleptomman (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 424 points, 1140 turns, killed by a hobbit 17:48 [EU] DoktorL (Mon Hum Fem Law) killed Master Kaen, on T:17835 17:48 [EU] DoktorL (Mon Hum Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:17837 17:48 So it's Arseniy who got the box explosion for Over Achievers 17:48 * tinklebear took some time to look this up 17:48 gg rancat 17:48 [US] eitwinston (Ran Elf Mal Cha) killed Death, on T:63066 17:48 [US] wisp (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) wished for "cursed greased magic marker", on T:52424 17:49 I suspect getting all the cheevos is not necessarily just a matter of being a good player, but also it's probably extremely time consuming 17:50 sounds likely to me, aoei 17:51 ...on top of the time it takes to git gud 17:51 xD 17:51 [US] Bartlem (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the invisible high priestess of Moloch, on T:35110 17:51 :D 17:51 i put a shield of reflection into the swapchest 17:51 [US] Bartlem (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:35119 17:51 [US] qt (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) removed eitwinston's uncursed +0 set of silver dragon scales from the swap chest, on T:7827 17:52 tinklebear: I need to go home, eat a food, and try to scum up a cheeky wow, BilldaCat has officially staked his claim to the TC title and I now have a duty to try and beat him 17:52 <@Loggers_IX> most of the achievements don’t require any particular skill other than memory 17:52 oh that is exciting, aoei 17:52 the competitive part, i mean 17:52 I dunno if my odds are very good, cuz I also don't have a lot of time, but we may as well give it a try! 17:52 the food and rest part is good to hear for other reasons, of course! 17:53 And then there is: receive the quest zen, receive the quest pacifist, receive the quest permahallu, receive the quest naked 17:53 [US] allanb (Pri Elf Mal Cha) had Trollsbane bestowed upon him by Mars, on T:43523 17:53 <@Loggers_IX> maybe like 20-30 or so achievements I’d actually consider completing as requiring a decent amount of skill 17:53 [US] allanb (Pri Elf Mal Cha) chose an elven broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:43526 17:53 tinklebear: I will say a prayer to Anhur first of course 17:54 <@Loggers_IX> but the dedication to remembering and doing a lot of them in a run is skillful in its own right of course 17:54 :D 17:54 [US] eitwinston (Ran Elf Mal Cha) killed Famine, on T:63136 17:54 ask for his blessings and favours for good rng 17:54 [US] qt (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8202 17:54 omg the "most achievements in one game" hellrun 17:54 * tinklebear looks up Anhur, chaos god of magic 17:54 -!- nurdglaw has joined #tnnt 17:55 [EU] Dictyostelium (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:36198 17:55 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest8752 17:55 -!- Guest8752 has quit [Killed (molybdenum.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 17:55 <@Loggers_IX> doing all those dumb achievements in one run is such a painnnn 17:55 Oh right there's cheevos that are like, hardcore conduct 17:55 -!- Umbire has joined #tnnt 17:55 (but just until quest?) 17:55 just until quest 17:55 yeah, it looks like you can trash your conducts post-quest, and are almost encouraged to do so 17:55 [US] allanb (Pri Elf Mal Cha) has entered the Arena, on T:43802 17:55 So yeah to get all of them you need to be really good at weird conducty play as well as have a lot of time on your hands etc. 17:56 -!- Haudegen has joined #tnnt 17:56 sometimes people go a little nuts when they can start eating, praying, and stabbing again 17:56 <@Loggers_IX> “kill a floating eye with a polearm” “collect every polearm” “collect every Nazgul ring” shut the fuck up honestly :p 17:56 <@Loggers_IX> (not directed at anyone in particular) 17:56 tinklebear: yeah if you were trying for all in one game you probably need to break some conducts post-quest in order to get many of the cheevos 17:56 Nazgul ring collecting has been a thing for years before it was a TNNT achievement. 17:57 [US] eitwinston (Ran Elf Mal Cha) killed Pestilence, on T:63184 17:57 I wonder if there are any deadlocks that make all in one game actually practically impossible 17:57 <@Loggers_IX> furey: yeah of course, never said otherwise 17:57 <@recuerdo> at least it doesn't make you KEEP them all, that's what I was wondering about when I first saw it 17:57 Like, did the devteam properly check this? 17:57 <@Loggers_IX> aoei: yes, there are multiple mutually exclusive achievements and many luck dependent ones 17:57 <@recuerdo> it's not actually possible to get them all in one game, there are a few either/ors 17:57 Yes. Can't be permadeaf and chat with the wise old man. 17:57 [EU] DoktorL (Mon Hum Fem Law) wished for "holy fixed +2 pick-axe named I don't even care", on T:18801 17:57 <@Loggers_IX> can’t be a wizard and have mjollnir return to you etc 17:58 Oh right Furry mentioned most in one game not "get every single one in a single game" 17:58 <@Loggers_IX> chat to izchak and kill every guy in orctown 17:58 mhm 17:58 [US] ChongLi (Mon Hum Mal Cha) bribed Baalzebub with 1491 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:49037 17:58 "a blessed statue of a shopkeeper named izchak" 17:58 [US] [D]: johnnyteapot (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 369 points, 561 turns, killed by a bat 17:58 Yeah okay all in one game is flat out not possible, fair enough 17:58 (dunno if that woul work) 17:58 <@Loggers_IX> good question 17:58 [US] recuerdo (Kni Hum Fem Law) found kitten, on T:6289 17:59 And there are 11 demon lord and prince achievements for 8 demon lords and princes. 18:00 Current Day as of 2024-11-20 18:00 UTC: Games: 437, Asc: 6, Scum: 269. 764015 turns, 14880627 points. 7d 00:37 gametime. (28%Wiz), (48%Hum), (40%Law), (62%Mal), 10d 05:59 remaining. 18:00 <@Loggers_IX> escape dungeon, bribe with 5/25k and all the killing ones? 18:00 Yeah. 1 escape, 2 bribes, 8 kills. 18:00 [EU] Ashpool (Bar Hum Mal Cha) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Set, on T:6833 18:00 [EU] DoktorL (Mon Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:19119 18:00 [US] [D]: Staengia (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 452 points, 2955 turns, killed by a small mimic 18:01 [US] allanb (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed Madoway the Swashbuckler in a deathmatch, on T:44050 18:01 I haven't checked the whole archive but in 2023, highest MAOG was 270 achievements. 18:02 [US] Aandeg (Hea Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "2 cursed genocide", on T:1 18:02 [US] Aandeg (Hea Hum Mal Neu) wished for "2 blessed charging", on T:2 18:02 [US] Aandeg (Hea Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed statue of a shopkeeper named Izchak", on T:5 18:02 Major effect on gameplay is you can't genocide things for a long time. 18:03 [US] [A]: eitwinston (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 2006156 points, 63206 turns, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/e/eitwinston/tnnt/dumplog/1731549900.tnnt.html 18:03 [US] Aandeg (Hea Hum Mal Neu) wished for "2 blessed gain level", on T:9 18:03 [US] Aandeg (Hea Hum Mal Neu) wished for "2 blessed gain level", on T:10 18:03 [US] recuerdo (Kni Hum Fem Law) received Excalibur, on T:7492 18:03 [EU] DoktorL (Mon Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Juiblex, on T:19402 18:03 <@Loggers_IX> yeah izchak stf doesn’t give wise old man 18:04 [US] Aandeg (Hea Hum Mal Neu) wished for "2 cursed genocide", on T:24 18:04 [US] Bartlem (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:35922 18:04 Argh I fell into recuerdo's clever plan, they distracted me into talking about achievements while they go earn '#141' Some Watery Tart. 18:04 [EU] DoktorL (Mon Hum Fem Law) genocided class h, on T:19433 18:05 <@Loggers_IX> are achievements numbered with any sort of internal consistency? other than identify and progression ones being grouped together 18:06 [US] Aandeg (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "wand of digging", on T:4 18:06 [US] [D]: johnnyteapot (Arc Hum Mal Law), 621 points, 1136 turns, killed by a gnome 18:06 [US] Aandeg (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) made his first artifact wish - "platinum yendorian express card", on T:11 18:06 [US] recuerdo (Kni Hum Fem Law) destroyed spazm's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:7962 18:06 [US] ChongLi (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Orcus, on T:49249 18:06 [US] Aandeg (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) wished for "2 blessed charging", on T:117 18:07 [US] Aandeg (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed wand of death", on T:119 18:07 [EU] DoktorL (Mon Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:19761 18:07 [US] Aandeg (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) wished for "bugle", on T:323 18:08 [US] Aandeg (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed unicorn horn", on T:326 18:08 heh. recuerdo's got tricks, Furey 18:08 [EU] Kontroller (Val Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed fixed greased +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:29015 18:09 honestly the achievements themselves seem like deadly distractions to me 18:09 [US] [D]: Aandeg (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 760 points, 417 turns, killed by life drainage, while helpless (and 6 other games not reported) 18:09 [US] Aandeg (Arc Dwa Mal Law) made his first wish - "2 blessed charging", on T:1 18:09 I barely escaped with my life after getting ride-a-wumpus-over-water one year 18:09 whereas to me, they are 334 delightful oddbal corners of the game 18:10 [US] Aandeg (Arc Dwa Mal Law) wished for "+2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:2 18:10 [US] jmcunx (Tou Hum Mal Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a sling on an altar, on T:3580 18:10 [US] Aandeg (Arc Dwa Mal Law) wished for "blessed +2 speed boots", on T:8 18:10 [US] Aandeg (Arc Dwa Mal Law) wished for "bugle", on T:12 18:10 [US] Aandeg (Arc Dwa Mal Law) wished for "wand of death", on T:13 18:10 [US] Aandeg (Arc Dwa Mal Law) wished for "wand of digging", on T:14 18:10 (I'm ashamed I know that's the correct number) 18:10 <@billdacat> ??? 18:10 <@billdacat> how is aandeg getting so many early WoWs? 18:11 [US] wisp (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) wished for "greased magic marker", on T:53230 18:11 how did aandeg rrechage? 18:11 <@billdacat> this a bot? 18:11 "2 blessed charging" 18:12 That said, right on turn 1? 18:12 <@billdacat> thats like 5 games in the past 10 minutes where there's been an early WOW 18:12 [US] [D]: recuerdo (Kni Hum Fem Law), 5431 points, 8497 turns, killed by a soldier ant 18:12 <@recuerdo> [swearing] 18:12 :( 18:12 <@billdacat> different classes too, weird 18:12 <@recuerdo> it's all good, next time 18:13 [US] Aandeg (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed Lord Carnarvon, on T:114 18:13 [US] [D]: Aandeg (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 3984 points, 164 turns, killed by a snake 18:13 <@billdacat> T:114? 18:13 explore mode 18:13 <@billdacat> i'm really confused 18:13 <@billdacat> oh 18:13 <@Loggers_IX> explore mode 18:13 <@Loggers_IX> sorry for the spam I was messing 18:14 umbire: aah i missed the t:1 message 18:14 <@billdacat> nw just was like "shit i better scum up another WoW game just in case" lol 18:14 [EU] DoktorL (Mon Hum Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:20303 18:14 [EU] DoktorL (Mon Hum Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:20305 18:15 [EU] Ashpool (Bar Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:9710 18:15 <@Loggers_IX> explore mode is more fun than people give it credit for 18:15 well SURE, if you play computer gams to have FUN 18:16 roflmao 18:16 <@Loggers_IX> hehe good point 18:16 [EU] Furey (Cav Dwa Fem Law) wished for "magic marker", on T:98292 18:17 [EU] DoktorL (Mon Hum Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:20588 18:20 -!- mobileuser has joined #tnnt 18:20 [US] thegame (Ran Orc Fem Cha) murdered her faithful snake, on T:65027 18:21 -!- Bleeko has joined #tnnt 18:21 [US] spazm (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) destroyed Xotius' ghost, the former Fighter, on T:6715 18:21 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:22 -!- mobileuser42 has joined #tnnt 18:22 congrats, rancat 18:22 they made one wish. I wonder if that was for the marker 18:22 [US] allanb (Pri Elf Mal Cha) removed Zolar's potion of extra healing from the swap chest, on T:44938 18:23 [US] [D]: jientho (Kni Hum Mal Law), 3722 points, 2164 turns, killed by a purple worm 18:24 * tinklebear checks backscroll, and confirms yes, rancat wished for a marker 18:25 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:25 [EU] DoktorL (Mon Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:21253 18:25 [EU] mobileuser (Bar Hum Mal Neu) genocided class ;, on T:44367 18:25 [EU] DoktorL (Mon Hum Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:21255 18:26 [US] [D]: Staengia (Val Hum Fem Neu), 2142 points, 3167 turns, killed by a giant spider 18:27 cbus: mobileuser is back 18:28 back to the laptop from this reputed "real life" thing 18:28 thx 18:29 [US] jmcunx (Tou Hum Mal Neu) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:5122 18:29 Aandeg is in explore mode 18:29 (I'm slow lol) 18:31 [US] jmcunx (Tou Hum Mal Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:5447 18:32 [US] eitlarry (Hea Gno Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:15606 18:32 [EU] DoktorL (Mon Hum Fem Law) wished for "cursed marker", on T:21261 18:34 [US] [D]: SkydiveMike (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 388 points, 1272 turns, killed by a dwarf 18:35 $streak eitwinston 18:35 tinklebear: [US] eitwinston Max: 3 (2024-11-01 - 2024-11-10). Current: 2 (since 2024-11-10). 18:36 -!- Bleeko has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:38 [EU] DoktorL (Mon Hum Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:21464 18:38 [US] [D]: jmcunx (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 972 points, 5960 turns, killed by a burning scroll 18:39 gl Arseniy 18:39 I might play later this evening after the usual stuff 18:39 -!- Bleeko has joined #tnnt 18:41 [US] Grouchy (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:43299 18:42 [US] eitlarry (Hea Gno Fem Neu) removed cathartes' blessed +5 gray dragon scale mail from the swap chest, on T:15675 18:42 [EU] DoktorL (Mon Hum Fem Law) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:21736 18:42 [EU] DoktorL (Mon Hum Fem Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:21739 18:45 [EU] DoktorL (Mon Hum Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:22177 18:46 [US] eitwinston (Pri Elf Mal Cha) destroyed kleptomman's ghost, the former Candidate, on T:1092 18:47 [US] thegame (Ran Orc Fem Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:65373 18:51 [US] johnnyteapot (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a crude dagger on an altar, on T:3524 18:53 [US] hothraxxa (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:10724 18:53 oh dear 18:56 [EU] DoktorL (Mon Hum Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:24083 18:56 [US] [D]: johnnyteapot (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 2017 points, 3855 turns, killed by a snake 18:57 [EU] Sceptross (Tou Hum Fem Neu) destroyed kleptomman's ghost, the former Candidate, on T:2109 18:58 [EU] DoktorL (Mon Hum Fem Law) genocided class ;, on T:24183 18:58 -!- nurdglaw has quit [Quit: Client closed] 18:59 [EU] Furey (Cav Dwa Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:99990 19:00 Hourly Stats at 2024-11-20 19:00 UTC: Games: 14, Asc: 0, Scum: 3. 0d 06:04 gametime. (91%Hum), 10d 04:59 remaining. 19:00 [EU] AlbertB (Ran Elf Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:70553 19:00 -!- floating_eye has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00 -!- floating_eye has joined #tnnt 19:01 -!- floating_eye has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:01 -!- floating_eye has joined #tnnt 19:01 -!- floating_eye has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:01 [EU] DoktorL (Mon Hum Fem Law) killed Famine, on T:24285 19:02 -!- floating_eye has joined #tnnt 19:04 actually gonna pray to Anhur after an hour's time, cos it's screens off time in a bit, see 19:04 and magic workings don't require linear time so its okay to pray for good RNG after I did the scumming 19:04 [EU] [A]: DoktorL (Mon Hum Fem Law), 1554554 points, 24314 turns, ascended 19:04 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/D/DoktorL/tnnt/dumplog/1732060119.tnnt.html 19:05 arseniy, grats! 19:05 congrats! 19:05 [EU] [Q]: aoei (Bar Hum Fem Cha), 1322 points, 848 turns, quit 19:06 grats arseniy 19:06 heh, aoei 19:06 Thanks! I'm so proud of wishing for a pick-axe within 50 turns of accidentally leaving the one I had behind 19:06 should be an achievement :D 19:07 I had to go back to that pick-axe, too, because I left behind the bell in the same place, as I found out when standing on vib square 19:07 [US] allanb (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:46010 19:07 haha, Arseniy 19:08 congrats 19:08 never an elven king around when you need one 19:09 [EU] [D]: post163 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 55 points, 150 turns, killed by a bear trap 19:09 seriously though. wishes are for what you wish you had 19:10 -!- mobileuser42 is now known as mobileuser 19:11 "magic whistle? what kind of wish is that" 19:11 the kind you make when you don't find one and you WANT ONE ANYWAYS 19:12 tinklebear cbus I am back from real life dinner =D 19:12 ok, astral... 19:12 whee 19:12 watch out for that trapper, friendly angel! 19:13 (lurker above, same thing) 19:13 gg 19:14 -!- floating_eye has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:15 -!- floating_eye has joined #tnnt 19:15 [US] [D]: johnnyteapot (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 931 points, 1830 turns, killed by a gnome lord 19:15 It is definitely possible for one person to get all achievements during the tournament but I don't know if there's even one person that could be bothered 19:16 arseniy, for me there are so many that I just "I focus on playing" 19:17 [EU] Dictyostelium (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) has entered the Arena, on T:40768 19:17 I think you are firmly in the majority there 19:17 but I haven't felt that team spirit try together to get all achievements hype either 19:17 [AU] Grasshopper (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) wished for "3 blessed cockatrice eggs", on T:54501 19:17 [EU] aoei has 100 consecutive games less than 100 turns. 19:18 [AU] Grasshopper (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) wished for "3 blessed cockatrice eggs", on T:54504 19:20 [US] [D]: Yeshua (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1114 points, 2412 turns, killed by a dwarf 19:21 -!- Furey has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:21 [EU] blankman (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed for the first time, on T:8986 19:22 [EU] Dictyostelium (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) killed Sceptross the Magister in a deathmatch, on T:40959 19:22 [US] [D]: rebrane (Ran Hum Mal Neu), 174 points, 522 turns, killed by an arrow 19:23 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 19:24 hah first altar 19:24 :D 19:25 [EU] Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Raisse's ghost, the former Aborigine, on T:3684 19:26 [US] [D]: Yeshua (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 106 points, 554 turns, killed by a sewer rat 19:26 -!- floating_eye has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:26 that mastodon in the corner of the temple 19:26 There should be a feature in hardfought launcher to auto-watch any newly started games by a player so you could watch startscummers 19:26 -!- floating_eye has joined #tnnt 19:27 [EU] [A]: mobileuser (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 1926546 points, 44530 turns, ascended 19:27 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/m/mobileuser/tnnt/dumplog/1731707336.tnnt.html 19:27 \o/ 19:27 mobileuser, grats 19:27 thanks! :-) 19:27 easy peasy? :) 19:27 if I'm going to spend my time watching, I'd rather watch winners not losers 19:27 lol 19:27 [EU] aoei has 200 consecutive games less than 100 turns. 19:27 [EU] Dictyostelium (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) wished for "marker", on T:41103 19:27 3 out of 3 19:27 no offence intended to scummers, but we call it that for a reason 19:28 [US] [D]: spazm (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 3720 points, 14343 turns, killed by a hobgoblin, while frozen by a monster's gaze 19:28 I consider my abyssymal ascension ratio a sort of long, drawn out variant of after-start-scumming 19:29 a flagrant disregard for safety is not the same 19:29 Grasshopper: it's an annoying meta but if I want to beat BilldaCat's turncount, it is the necessary meta. 19:29 [EU] blankman (Bar Orc Fem Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:10348 19:29 but you play with a lot of conducts tinklebear 19:29 [EU] blankman (Bar Orc Fem Cha) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Set, on T:10380 19:29 often for TC run I prefer a more lightweight scumming, jsut to start with half a polykit, and try to luck into the polykit 19:29 like I said, no offence intended 19:29 but for a decisive win i think it's best to scum for a wow 19:29 [EU] davez (Bar Hum Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a triangular amulet on an altar, on T:4116 19:30 sfv! scum for victory! 19:30 [US] [D]: steveyo (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 8337 points, 5722 turns, killed by a soldier ant, while praying 19:30 it is like that 19:30 :) 19:30 [EU] davez (Bar Hum Mal Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:4137 19:31 [US] recuerdo (Kni Hum Fem Law) received Excalibur, on T:6023 19:32 I'll keep my own tc speedrun parked for now then, see how aoei does 19:33 can you beat BilldaCat's? :o 19:33 I'm one pace to potentially do that, I think 19:33 don't wait on my account 19:33 *on pace 19:33 but we're teammates 19:33 so? 19:33 you'd be making it more secure for your team 19:34 and/or the both of you may end up #1 and #2 19:34 I don't really see why you'd keep a run parked, besides, i'm just spending a bit of time scumming, i don't know if i'll get anywhere :D 19:35 It's been parked since 2nd of November cause I've been procrastinating lol 19:35 [US] [D]: johnnyteapot (Kni Hum Mal Law), 909 points, 2414 turns, killed by a bolt of cold 19:36 [EU] [D]: Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 7181 points, 5303 turns, killed by a warg, while praying 19:36 [EU] [D]: davez (Bar Hum Mal Cha), 3403 points, 4262 turns, killed by a winter wolf cub, while sleeping 19:36 we're going for all RRAG so I've been focusing on that instead 19:36 [US] Leggman (Bar Hum Mal Neu) found kitten, on T:11017 19:37 ic ic 19:37 [EU] aoei has 300 consecutive games less than 100 turns. 19:40 [US] [D]: jmcunx (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 172 points, 1816 turns, killed by a brown mold 19:41 picking up a parked game after playing other ones is surprisingly stressful, I find 19:41 it seems to me that robin-type players must be neuroplastic geniuses 19:42 [US] Leggman (Bar Hum Mal Neu) had Fire Brand bestowed upon him by Crom, on T:11766 19:42 yeah, I've sometimes tried to save realtime speedruns and pick them up again, it's incredibly hard 19:43 [US] [D]: recuerdo (Kni Hum Fem Law), 5344 points, 9075 turns, killed by a housecat 19:43 i think there's some different levels of brain cache involved, like, near term as well as short-term memory 19:43 on this speedrun of mine I already forgot I had a mattock and instead emptied 2 wands of digging going to the castle 19:43 working memory cannot hold very much, but there's like, other layers i think 19:43 lol. yeah, stuff exactly like that, Arseniy 19:43 must be, aoei 19:44 [EU] blankman (Bar Orc Fem Cha) had Werebane bestowed upon her by Set, on T:11860 19:45 sort of related: I'm surprised at how often, after flaying, I'm pretty good at intuiting where the other stair is if I enter a forgotten level via stairs 19:45 oh gg mobileuser 19:46 thx! 19:46 [US] [D]: rebrane (Ran Hum Mal Neu), 3114 points, 3498 turns, killed by a rabid rat 19:47 like, I may have no explicit memory of what the level is like, but it's like a ouija board or something 19:48 but inventory/logistics is a whole nother matter 19:48 [US] rancat (Kni Hum Fem Law) received Excalibur, on T:4247 19:48 [EU] aoei has 400 consecutive games less than 100 turns. 19:49 [EU] xhtmlcoder (Mon Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed Eye of the Aethiopica", on T:56345 19:49 [US] [D]: johnnyteapot (Kni Hum Mal Law), 749 points, 2394 turns, killed by an imp 19:51 [US] [D]: nabru (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 779 points, 1089 turns, killed by a gnome lord 19:52 aoei, that is reasonably accurate way to look at human brain memory 19:52 [US] thegame (Ran Orc Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:65809 19:52 we have long term, short term and even medium term memory 19:52 [US] steveyo (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed +3 silver dragon scale mail", on T:1711 19:52 [US] thegame (Ran Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:65810 19:53 and there may be something special about the amount of stuff you can hold in short term memory when in flow 19:53 and it is "stored" in different places 19:53 which you lose once you save a speedrun 19:53 [EU] [D]: Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 720 points, 659 turns, killed by a gnome lord 19:53 try going back to a project after 6-12 months 19:54 worst thing i can do for a saved game is play a different game of nethack 19:54 totally, Furey 19:54 one colleague of mine talks about things being at the front (or not) of his mind 19:54 doing something else does not overwrite the nethack memories 19:54 6 month stale project is definitely not front of the mind anymore 19:55 [US] steveyo (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:1842 19:55 [US] thegame (Ran Orc Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:65842 19:55 in computing terms, the CPU uses a "handful" of "registers" to do most of its computation 19:55 [EU] nurdglaw (Val Hum Fem Law) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:25932 19:55 fingers to do the counting on 19:55 once the computing is done, the memory is just overwritten with new stuff 19:56 [EU] Sceptross (Tou Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "+3 blessed greased silver dragon scale mail", on T:4641 19:56 6 months? try working through code or documentation someone else wrote 10+ years ago 19:56 but it is the super-fast stuff, no like the archived on a secondary hard drive sort of thing 19:56 nabru: ah, but then it's nowhere in your brain to begin with 19:56 indeed 19:56 at least 6-12 months stale is in your head *somewhere*, or a chunk of it is 19:56 I recently got back into playing Baldur's gate after over 12 years away, was almost like a new game 19:57 yep, 6-12 months old I remember at least *something* 19:57 [US] thegame (Ran Orc Fem Cha) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:65900 19:57 not much, however 19:57 [US] thegame (Ran Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:65903 19:57 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:57 some of it you might begin to remember again after working on it some 19:57 indeed 19:57 like it's not gone but it's harder to reach 19:57 go go thegame 19:57 obscure brain pathways becoming activated 19:59 LOL 19:59 found a first room wand, it's not wishing, but I engrave tested it and got: 19:59 The engraving now reads: "Dig for V?c?ory hcr?". 19:59 The RNG knows what I'm up to :') 20:00 Hourly Stats at 2024-11-20 20:00 UTC: Games: 566, Asc: 2, Scum: 540. 127399 turns, 3528377 points. (42%Wiz), 10d 03:59 remaining. 20:00 lol 20:00 lol aoei 20:00 [EU] aoei has 500 consecutive games less than 100 turns. 20:00 I didn't tell honest 20:00 ok, calling it for tonight 20:00 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 20:00 I call it 5 centuries 20:00 :-) 20:01 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 20:01 meant to quit but scummed one more real quick just because "M-qy t" was so locked in to my muscle memory 20:02 [US] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Ashikaga Takauji, on T:39932 20:02 can't help yourself aoei ;-) 20:02 [US] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:39937 20:02 you were doing 100 games per 10 minutes, you should get it if you keep grinding 2 hours every evening for a week 20:02 right, I'm done procrastinating 20:02 time to ascend 20:03 hang on, may need more soda for the whisky... 20:03 [US] nabru (Bar Orc Fem Cha) destroyed Zolar's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:710 20:03 $lastgame Zolar 20:03 nabru: [US] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/Z/Zolar/tnnt/dumplog/1732122996.tnnt.html 20:04 [EU] Furey (Cav Dwa Fem Law) genocided master mind flayer, on T:102766 20:05 [EU] blankman (Bar Orc Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:13502 20:06 [AU] Grasshopper (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) entered the Planes, on T:54514 20:10 [EU] [D]: davez (Bar Hum Mal Cha), 6521 points, 3545 turns, killed by a soldier ant 20:11 [US] thegame (Ran Orc Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:67224 20:12 [EU] ZlojSerge (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3008 20:12 [US] Leggman (Bar Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:14660 20:12 [EU] Dictyostelium (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:43897 20:12 [EU] Dictyostelium (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:43898 20:13 -!- Umbire has joined #tnnt 20:13 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:13 -!- Umbire has joined #tnnt 20:14 [US] recuerdo (Kni Hum Fem Law) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3449 20:14 [US] johnnyteapot (Arc Hum Mal Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3149 20:15 [tnnt] k21971 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/tnnt-devteam/tnnt/compare/3b9a5d94db35...31c5191ec1df 20:15 [tnnt] k21971 31c5191 - Suppress livelogging whilst in explore mode. 20:15 [EU] blankman (Bar Orc Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:14358 20:17 thanks @Loggers_IX 20:17 i think I had to suppress that in evilhack cuz you of you also 20:17 :) 20:18 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:20 -!- Haudegen has quit [Quit: Bin weg.] 20:21 -!- Haudegen has joined #tnnt 20:24 [US] [D]: recuerdo (Kni Hum Fem Law), 3160 points, 4802 turns, killed by a jaguar 20:26 [EU] blankman (Bar Orc Fem Cha) had Fire Brand bestowed upon her by Set, on T:15676 20:26 [US] thegame (Ran Orc Fem Cha) genocided class ;, on T:67471 20:27 [EU] xhtmlcoder (Mon Hum Fem Neu) had Dragonbane bestowed upon her by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:56719 20:28 -!- AlbertB2 has joined #tnnt 20:28 [EU] [D]: Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 172 points, 427 turns, killed by a small mimic 20:29 [EU] AlbertB (Ran Elf Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:71075 20:30 -!- Haudegen has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 20:30 -!- Gandelf has joined #tnnt 20:31 -!- Haudegen has joined #tnnt 20:31 [EU] [D]: Prowler (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 4529 points, 6026 turns, killed by a dwarf king 20:35 [EU] [D]: xororand (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 913 points, 2639 turns, killed by a giant spider 20:35 attempting ascension with 2 pets, Armolas (elvenking) and Rocky (marilith, original pet kitten polyed) 20:36 gl 20:36 [US] thegame (Ran Orc Fem Cha) killed Death, on T:67658 20:36 <@recuerdo> !!! 20:36 Armolas has been pumped full of alchemised !oGL, so is: 20:36 Status of Armolas (chaotic): Level 23 HP 184(184) AC -20, tame, fast. 20:38 -!- tjw71 has joined #tnnt 20:38 but Rocky is mere lv10 badass with +7 katana and 2 attacks, good for crowd control 20:38 [US] thegame (Ran Orc Fem Cha) killed Famine, on T:67707 20:39 oh and Armolas has the +7 rustproof Orcrist 20:39 seemed appropriate 20:39 even tho few orcs on Astral 20:40 good enough for Gandalf 20:40 good enough for Armolas 20:41 oh, and so he can survive plane of fire (where we are now), he has Red DSM 20:41 nice 20:41 [US] [A]: thegame (Ran Orc Fem Cha), 1869014 points, 67752 turns, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/t/thegame/tnnt/dumplog/1731280477.tnnt.html 20:41 he's currently toe-to-toe with fire elementals 20:42 grats 20:42 gg thegame 20:43 congratulations thegame 20:43 <@arthurdayne18> Thanks, I got a little worried earlier in the game when Orcus gated in demogorgan and I was not prepared to fight him 20:43 congrats! 20:43 heh. sounds like fun 20:43 congrats, @arthurdayne18 20:44 wow, congrats! 20:44 <@arthurdayne18> Yeah, I got the hell out of dodge and went back to kill him after I prepared properly for that fight 20:45 Brave Sir Robin is a good strat for Demogorgon. 20:45 -!- raisse has joined #tnnt 20:45 [US] [D]: johnnyteapot (Arc Hum Mal Law), 4512 points, 6076 turns, killed by a soldier ant 20:46 [US] qt (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:23624 20:46 [EU] breadmaster (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:45242 20:46 another is to keep an emergency wish available 20:46 [EU] [D]: Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 220 points, 1113 turns, killed by a gas spore's explosion 20:46 [EU] breadmaster (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:45244 20:46 though it's much more economical do put some distance between you and do revgeno instead 20:48 <@arthurdayne18> Next time I'll just keep a scroll of scare monster handy if playing a version where that works 20:51 -!- tjw71 has quit [Quit: Client closed] 20:51 [EU] blankman (Bar Orc Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:18896 20:51 -!- tjw71 has joined #tnnt 20:52 [EU] Kontroller (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:36027 20:54 gg arthur 20:54 [US] oh6 (Pri Elf Mal Cha) had Dragonbane bestowed upon him by Kos, on T:56932 20:56 @arthurdayne18 what do you fancy playing next? we're down to just a few combos in the clan doc. 20:57 I'm engulfed by a steam vortex, using the timeout to recharge my confuse monster 20:58 [EU] breadmaster (Sam Hum Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:45727 20:58 [US] [D]: johnnyteapot (Bar Hum Mal Cha), 494 points, 534 turns, killed by an arrow 20:59 [EU] Judas (Pri Elf Mal Cha) removed Prowler's blessed +4 gray dragon scale mail from the swap chest, on T:6027 21:00 Hourly Stats at 2024-11-20 21:00 UTC: Games: 18, Asc: 1, Scum: 8. 92996 turns, 1889555 points. (40%Cha), 10d 02:59 remaining. 21:01 [US] habibOotC (Ran Orc Fem Cha) killed Scorpius, on T:26483 21:01 [US] habibOotC (Ran Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:26485 21:02 lovin' wands of cold and cone of cold on plane of fire 21:03 [US] [D]: recuerdo (Kni Hum Fem Law), 200 points, 1017 turns, killed by a wand 21:03 [EU] [D]: ZlojSerge (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 8950 points, 6784 turns, killed by a giant mimic (and 49 other games not reported) 21:03 break 'em, zap 'em, Zap 'em, all fun 21:04 [US] Leggman (Bar Hum Mal Neu) removed cathartes' blessed bag of holding from the swap chest, on T:18328 21:04 [EU] Judas (Pri Elf Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:6381 21:04 Ah yes, cone of cold. Way to turn plane of fire into another big room. 21:04 ... with Archons! 21:04 and breaking wands is much fun 21:04 [EU] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:5220 21:05 if you polypile wand of CM and light and SDD into wands of cold, then break them... 21:05 you can do an enormous amount of damage when surrounded by fire creatures 21:05 Rodney too, maybe? 21:05 or even just with 7/8 charges 21:06 [US] oh6 (Pri Elf Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a xorn, on T:57709 21:06 (since Rodney resists fire) 21:06 well anything, but there are cold damage bonuses to fire creatures 21:06 Yes, applies to Rodney too 21:07 guy should put on a cloak or something. dirty ol man 21:07 no shame 21:07 [US] [D]: johnnyteapot (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 693 points, 1461 turns, killed by a kitten 21:08 no cloak, you cannot undo what you have seen :P 21:08 should be like a monster nausea attack, makes you feel nauseated 21:09 no, no more pics, please 21:09 :D 21:10 [US] allanb (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:46248 21:12 -!- tjw71 has quit [Quit: Client closed] 21:12 [US] [D]: spazm (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 2963 points, 5084 turns, killed by a blast of frost 21:12 [EU] Dictyostelium (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:47008 21:12 -!- Guest93 has joined #tnnt 21:12 [EU] Dictyostelium (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:47008 21:16 [EU] blankman (Bar Orc Fem Cha) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:20666 21:16 [EU] Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu) found kitten, on T:2719 21:19 [US] allanb (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:46654 21:19 [US] steveyo (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) destroyed johnnyteapot's ghost, the former Esquire, on T:3802 21:20 [US] rancat (Kni Hum Fem Law) removed eitlarry's uncursed ring of poison resistance from the swap chest, on T:9369 21:20 [EU] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) became literate by reading a book, on T:6533 21:21 [US] rancat (Kni Hum Fem Law) murdered her faithful little dog, on T:9437 21:22 [EU] breadmaster (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:46246 21:22 [EU] breadmaster (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:46250 21:22 [US] nabru (Bar Orc Fem Cha) removed DoktorL's uncursed +1 pair of gauntlets of dexterity from the swap chest, on T:2457 21:23 [US] allanb (Pri Elf Mal Cha) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:46875 21:23 [EU] Dictyostelium (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:47254 21:24 [US] rancat (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:9727 21:24 no achievement for scuba diving on plane of water... 21:26 [US] [D]: johnnyteapot (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 1455 points, 3824 turns, killed by a fire ant 21:27 [US] Bartlem (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed spellbook of finger of death", on T:38483 21:28 <@Loggers_IX> lol k2 yeah I remember 21:28 <@Loggers_IX> re: suppression of evilhack explore mode livelogging 21:28 [US] levoittiel (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:73826 21:30 [US] recuerdo (Kni Hum Mal Law) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3171 21:32 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:32 [US] nabru (Bar Orc Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:2892 21:34 [EU] lrrr (Ran Elf Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:82250 21:34 [EU] lrrr (Ran Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:82251 21:36 [EU] AlbertB (Ran Elf Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:75510 21:37 [US] [D]: recuerdo (Kni Hum Mal Law), 2763 points, 3912 turns, killed by a dwarf 21:37 [US] rebrane (Bar Hum Mal Neu) destroyed johnnyteapot's ghost, the former Pillager, on T:3879 21:37 [EU] Kontroller (Val Hum Fem Neu) genocided class L, on T:36605 21:38 -!- qt has joined #tnnt 21:38 -!- mode/#tnnt [+o qt] by ChanServ 21:39 [EU] breadmaster (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:47391 21:39 [US] Bartlem (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:38680 21:39 [US] Bartlem (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (10 times), on T:38681 21:40 [EU] [D]: Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 6252 points, 6021 turns, killed by a carnivorous ape, while fainted from lack of food 21:41 [US] [D]: recuerdo (Kni Hum Fem Law), 249 points, 716 turns, killed by a gnome 21:42 [AU] HungryMotu (Mon Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:24439 21:42 [US] tjw (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) was chosen to take lives for the Glory of Anhur, on T:38826 21:43 [US] hothraxxa (Mon Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:15882 21:43 crap bagoban again :( 21:44 [US] [D]: johnnyteapot (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 357 points, 1027 turns, killed by a kitten 21:45 -!- Guest93 has quit [Quit: Client closed] 21:45 [US] Bartlem (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) genocided class ;, on T:38830 21:45 [US] thegame (Cav Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur, on T:2770 21:46 [EU] breadmaster (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:48039 21:47 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 1150 points, 2601 turns, killed by a fire ant 21:47 [EU] Sceptross (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:7166 21:47 [EU] Sceptross (Tou Hum Fem Neu) made her first artifact wish - "+3 blessed fixed Grayswandir", on T:7167 21:48 [US] nabru (Bar Orc Fem Cha) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Set, on T:5040 21:48 about time 21:49 [EU] Dictyostelium (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) wished for "wand of death", on T:47759 21:49 [US] allanb (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed Orcus, on T:48182 21:49 [EU] Dictyostelium (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:47760 21:49 [EU] [D]: ZlojSerge (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 750 points, 1791 turns, killed by a bugbear (and 18 other games not reported) 21:49 [US] [D]: rancat (Kni Hum Fem Law), 13480 points, 11053 turns, killed by a forest centaur 21:49 [EU] Dictyostelium (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:47763 21:50 [EU] Sceptross (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "+3 blessed greased fixed cloak of magic resistance", on T:7173 21:50 [US] Bartlem (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Death, on T:38918 21:50 [US] Leggman (Bar Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:19422 21:50 [US] levoittiel (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:75632 21:50 [EU] Sceptross (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "+3 blessed fixed greased speed boots", on T:7187 21:51 [US] levoittiel (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:75649 21:52 [EU] Dictyostelium (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) murdered Gobbles, his faithful purple worm, on T:47776 21:52 [EU] Sceptross (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed tin of green dragon meat", on T:7194 21:52 [US] Bartlem (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) murdered his faithful fire elemental, on T:38965 21:54 [EU] Judas (Pri Elf Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:8018 21:55 [US] wormy (Bar Hum Mal Cha) murdered Idefix, his faithful little dog, on T:914 21:55 [EU] Sceptross (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed amulet of life saving", on T:7387 21:55 [US] [A]: Bartlem (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 2452346 points, 39016 turns, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/B/Bartlem/tnnt/dumplog/1731687864.tnnt.html 21:55 [EU] AlbertB (Ran Elf Mal Cha) made his first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:75957 21:56 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:56 [US] [D]: wormy (Bar Hum Mal Cha), 306 points, 969 turns, caught himself in his own ball of lightning 21:57 [EU] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:9953 21:57 [EU] Sceptross (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "+3 blessed fixed gauntlets of power", on T:7402 21:57 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 21:58 [EU] AlbertB (Ran Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:75958 21:59 [US] steveyo (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:6174 21:59 [US] allanb (Pri Elf Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:48750 21:59 [US] allanb (Pri Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:48755 22:00 Hourly Stats at 2024-11-20 22:00 UTC: Games: 32, Asc: 1, Scum: 18. 0d 21:17 gametime. (50%Wiz), 10d 01:59 remaining. 22:01 -!- mobileuser has joined #tnnt 22:02 -!- AlbertB2 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:05 [EU] [D]: davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 23073 points, 10380 turns, killed by a giant mummy (and 4 other games not reported) 22:05 [EU] Dictyostelium (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased ring of polymorph control", on T:48381 22:06 [AU] unit327 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:25478 22:06 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 22:06 [US] [D]: klipto (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1625 points, 3933 turns, killed by an ape 22:09 [EU] blankman (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:23982 22:10 lol. In restarted game after about 36 hours of thinking and looking over items in chest-stash, "oh looks like wishless conduct. okay, resource constrained. don't see markers in discovered tools." 22:10 "So whatever scrolls I have, are the ones I have, till I find more" 22:11 and now, finally, I'm in gehennom maze, check my sack to see how many spare lamps I have. What do I find: 22:11 a - an uncursed magic marker (0:85) 22:11 b - an uncursed magic marker (0:51) 22:11 -!- stagnate has joined #tnnt 22:11 c - an uncursed magic marker (0:6) 22:12 bit weird that magick markers don't show up in discoveries. but there you go! 22:12 [US] hothraxxa (Mon Hum Mal Cha) destroyed blankman's ghost, the former Plunderess, on T:17038 22:13 they don't have unidentified appearance 22:13 hah. okay. 22:13 talk about brain and long-term memory, though 22:13 really, eh?! lol 22:14 [EU] Judas (Pri Elf Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:9853 22:15 [EU] breadmaster (Sam Hum Fem Law) averted death (killed by an energy vortex), on T:48636 22:15 -!- floating_eye has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:15 -!- floating_eye has joined #tnnt 22:16 [AU] unit327 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:26147 22:18 [US] stagnate (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:131855 22:20 [EU] Furey (Cav Dwa Fem Law) genocided mind flayer, on T:106693 22:21 [US] [D]: thegame (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 3219 points, 4554 turns, killed by an Uruk-hai 22:23 [US] disperse (Val Hum Mal Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:21412 22:23 [US] disperse (Val Hum Mal Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:21413 22:23 [AU] unit327 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:26339 22:24 [US] [D]: joq (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 73 points, 226 turns, killed by an electric shock 22:26 -!- mobileuser has joined #tnnt 22:26 -!- Haudegen has quit [Quit: Bin weg.] 22:27 [US] rebrane (Bar Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7911 22:28 [US] Prowler (Pri Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a carnivorous ape, on T:9303 22:28 [US] nabru (Bar Orc Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:8265 22:28 [EU] Sceptross (Tou Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:9684 22:29 [EU] blankman (Bar Orc Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:25403 22:30 [US] rebrane (Bar Hum Mal Neu) removed unit327's blessed +1 cloak of displacement from the swap chest, on T:8117 22:30 [US] nabru (Bar Orc Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed greased fireproof +3 silver dragon scale mail", on T:8458 22:30 [AU] unit327 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:26691 22:30 fountain wish! 22:31 [EU] nurdglaw (Val Hum Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:27953 22:34 [EU] Dictyostelium (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:49536 22:34 nice, nabru 22:36 hope no invisible soldier ants sneak up on you this time 22:36 [US] eitwinston (Pri Elf Mal Cha) removed bleeko's +0 set of gray dragon scales from the swap chest, on T:6116 22:36 * tinklebear is sorry. couldn't help it 22:37 -!- Noims has joined #tnnt 22:37 it's just so funny how epitaphs like "killed by an invisible soldier ant" tell a whole story 22:38 [US] [D]: OmegaDino (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 8645 points, 8141 turns, killed by a magic missile 22:39 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 22:39 still, invisi-ant is better than indigni-and 22:39 ant 22:40 [US] allanb (Pri Elf Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:50485 22:40 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 22:40 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 22:40 [EU] breadmaster (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Pestilence, on T:49105 22:42 [EU] xororand (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) murdered his faithful giant ant, on T:4054 22:42 [EU] [D]: xororand (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 3152 points, 4059 turns, killed by an owlbear 22:42 [US] nabru (Bar Orc Fem Cha) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Set, on T:10347 22:42 -!- Guest93 has joined #tnnt 22:43 [US] ChongLi (Mon Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:51616 22:43 [US] ChongLi (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:51619 22:43 -!- elron has joined #tnnt 22:45 [US] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) wished for "cursed magic marker", on T:30517 22:45 [EU] [D]: breadmaster (Sam Hum Fem Law), 1477128 points, 49121 turns, killed by Pestilence (with the Amulet) 22:45 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:46 [US] dbanethacker (Val Hum Mal Neu) had Dragonbane bestowed upon him by Odin, on T:19776 22:47 [US] eitwinston (Pri Elf Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:6977 22:47 [EU] Sceptross (Tou Hum Fem Neu) destroyed rancat's ghost, the former Bachelor, on T:10963 22:49 [AU] unit327 (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:27550 22:49 [AU] unit327 (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:27552 22:49 [US] rebrane (Bar Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed greased +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:10578 22:49 [AU] Grasshopper (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Pestilence, on T:54808 22:51 [US] [D]: PigInZen (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1646 points, 2942 turns, killed by a gnome 22:54 [EU] Noisytoot (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) found kitten, on T:2493 22:54 [US] nabru (Bar Orc Fem Cha) had Fire Brand bestowed upon her by Set, on T:12008 22:56 [US] stagnate (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:132397 22:56 [US] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:31136 22:57 [US] stagnate (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:132401 23:00 [US] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:31283 23:02 [US] [D]: epiksalad (Val Dwa Fem Law), 404 points, 1516 turns, killed by a sewer rat, while frozen by a monster's gaze 23:03 [US] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:31438 23:03 [US] rebrane (Bar Hum Mal Neu) found kitten, on T:12788 23:04 [US] Prowler (Pri Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:15762 23:04 [US] [D]: nabru (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 107613 points, 12702 turns, killed by an invisible lieutenant, while praying 23:04 ah F 23:04 [EU] Sceptross (Tou Hum Fem Neu) removed Prowler's blessed spellbook of identify from the swap chest, on T:11807 23:04 [EU] noims (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:24798 23:05 [EU] Furey (Cav Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:108894 23:05 [EU] Sceptross (Tou Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:11836 23:05 [EU] Furey (Cav Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:108898 23:05 -!- aosdict has joined #tnnt 23:05 -!- mode/#tnnt [+o aosdict] by ChanServ 23:05 oh damn. ludios 23:05 $lastgame nabru 23:05 tinklebear: [US] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/tnnt/dumplog/1732132273.tnnt.html 23:06 [EU] noims (Rog Orc Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:24812 23:06 -!- aosdict has quit [Client Quit] 23:07 [US] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:31796 23:07 [US] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:31796 23:07 [US] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) genocided disenchanter, on T:31802 23:09 [AU] unit327 (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 speed boots", on T:28442 23:10 [US] Zolar (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:2572 23:11 [US] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed Orcus, on T:32049 23:12 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 23:14 [US] Zolar (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:3811 23:14 [US] naf (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur, on T:9965 23:15 [US] Zolar (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:4234 23:16 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 23:16 [EU] Sceptross (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased bag of holding", on T:12777 23:17 [US] Zolar (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) became literate by engraving "blah", on T:4783 23:19 [EU] [D]: xororand (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 881 points, 2517 turns, killed by an invisible dwarf 23:20 [EU] noims (Rog Orc Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:25471 23:22 Death: "AH, SO YOU HAVE A COPY OF /MORT/. I MAY HAVE BEEN MISQUOTED THERE." 23:22 [AU] Grasshopper (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Death, on T:54876 23:23 [EU] noims (Rog Orc Mal Cha) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:25575 23:24 [US] stagnate (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:134350 23:24 [US] karibou (Cav Dwa Fem Law) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:19876 23:24 [US] allanb (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:52306 23:25 [US] allanb (Pri Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:52314 23:25 [US] Leggman (Bar Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (master mind flayer), on T:25540 23:26 -!- Noims has left #tnnt 23:26 good book to bring. wouldn't have been surprised if he'd offered to sign it 23:27 [US] Prowler (Pri Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:18888 23:27 (hasn't read the book, or any pratchet novels at all irl. but you know, the title.) 23:28 [EU] finitelycraig (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:58668 23:29 [US] allanb (Pri Elf Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:52529 23:30 -!- qt has joined #tnnt 23:30 -!- mode/#tnnt [+o qt] by ChanServ 23:30 [EU] Furey (Cav Dwa Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:110257 23:31 good luck, Furey 23:31 [US] stagnate (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:134636 23:31 [US] Prowler (Pri Hum Fem Neu) polymorphed her first item, on T:19707 23:34 [US] stagnate (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (10 times), on T:134689 23:34 [US] cpittman (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:40628 23:36 [US] cpittman (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class R), on T:40652 23:38 [EU] Furey (Cav Dwa Fem Law) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:110486 23:39 [AU] Grasshopper (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) wished for "cursed figurine of a woodchuck", on T:54913 23:39 [EU] Furey (Cav Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:110500 23:39 [EU] finitelycraig (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:59948 23:40 [AU] Grasshopper (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) wished for "3 blessed cockatrice eggs", on T:54915 23:42 [US] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:33496 23:42 [US] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:33502 23:43 [US] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:33522 23:44 lol, Grasshopper. all those cursed scrolls of create monster! 23:45 [AU] [A]: Grasshopper (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 3698247 points, 54945 turns, ascended 23:45 https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/G/Grasshopper/tnnt/dumplog/1731436340.tnnt.html 23:46 congrats! 23:46 thx tinklebear 23:46 tho you still have a higher score on the table! 23:47 beware my avatar in DM 23:47 heh :D 23:48 [US] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Frost Brand bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:19916 23:48 time to feed cats :D 23:48 best time of day 23:48 have a good one 23:49 [US] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible high priestess of Moloch, on T:33750 23:49 [US] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:33755 23:50 [US] Prowler (Pri Hum Fem Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Mog, on T:23058 23:50 [EU] finitelycraig (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Death, on T:60274 23:51 -!- Guest93 has quit [Quit: Client closed] 23:53 [EU] finitelycraig (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed figurine of a captain named disperse", on T:60303 23:53 [EU] finitelycraig (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed figurine of a wood elf named Elm", on T:60304 23:54 [US] stagnate (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Famine, on T:135115 23:54 [EU] Furey (Cav Dwa Fem Law) removed allanb's blessed scroll of remove curse from the swap chest, on T:111679 23:55 -!- stagnate has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:56 [EU] [D]: Fukka (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 518 points, 711 turns, killed by a kitten 23:57 [EU] [A]: finitelycraig (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 2576430 points, 60306 turns, ascended 23:57 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/f/finitelycraig/tnnt/dumplog/1731102415.tnnt.html 23:57 gg 23:57 [US] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:34613 23:59 [US] stagnate (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Death, on T:135169 23:59 [US] hothraxxa (Mon Hum Mal Cha) was chosen to steal souls for the Glory of Huan Ti, on T:18740