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(www.adiirc.com)] 00:26 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 00:31 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 00:53 [US] tjw (Arc Hum Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:37651 00:53 [US] tjw (Arc Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:37651 00:56 -!- Elenmirie_ has joined #tnnt 00:58 [US] tjw (Arc Hum Mal Neu) genocided class ;, on T:37766 01:01 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 01:04 [US] tjw (Arc Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Pestilence, on T:37827 01:04 -!- dingotron has quit [Quit: Client closed] 01:13 [US] [A]: tjw (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 2932728 points, 37941 turns, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/t/tjw/tnnt/dumplog/1701365676.tnnt.html 01:13 TOURNAMENT MILESTONE: 400 ascended games. 01:17 -!- Waffa has joined #tnnt 01:20 more like a post-tournament milestone, I guess 01:21 So that's why there's no confetti lol 01:22 heh 01:22 GG tjw, but jeez, leave some for the rest of us! 01:26 -!- a1 has joined #tnnt 01:30 [US] [D]: stash (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 681 points, 2619 turns, killed by a rabid rat 01:34 -!- crunchbubba has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 01:38 yeah congrats tjw :) 01:50 thanks! 01:51 had a great time this year, looking forward to next year! 02:09 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 02:10 -!- crunchbubba has joined #tnnt 02:14 -!- mikew999 has quit [Quit: Client closed] 02:16 \o/ 02:17 grats tjw 02:17 [US] mracich (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:73739 02:17 [US] mracich (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:73743 02:31 [US] OtsMcGee (Tou Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:17849 02:52 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 02:59 -!- xdminsy has joined #tnnt 03:46 -!- crunchbubba has quit [Quit: Client closed] 03:51 -!- cathartes has joined #tnnt 04:19 -!- crunchbubba has joined #tnnt 04:22 -!- crunchbubba has quit [Client Quit] 04:41 -!- Waffa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:51 [US] charlie14690 (Pri Hum Fem Neu) removed disperse's stethoscope from the swap chest, on T:7074 04:58 [US] charlie14690 (Pri Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7423 04:58 [US] mracich (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Orcus, on T:77273 04:58 -!- Elenmirie_ has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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joined #tnnt 08:02 [US] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) has entered the Arena, on T:31938 08:07 [US] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) averted death (killed by a wizard called noims the Mage), on T:32016 08:12 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:13 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:13 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 08:13 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:13 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 08:13 [US] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed noims the Mage in a deathmatch, on T:32265 08:35 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:35 [US] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:32918 08:35 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:35 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 08:36 [US] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:32924 08:44 [US] OpticSugar (Arc Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:11927 08:45 [US] OpticSugar (Arc Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:12056 08:58 [US] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:33702 09:01 [US] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:33716 09:04 -!- joes has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:04 -!- Elenmirie_ has joined #tnnt 09:06 [US] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:34275 09:14 [US] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) removed tjw's uncursed tinning kit (0:89) from the swap chest, on T:34593 10:17 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:17 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 10:17 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 10:17 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 10:17 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 10:24 -!- doctwo has joined #tnnt 10:28 -!- docpi has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:28 [US] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Lord Surtur, on T:37728 10:28 [US] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:37731 10:38 [US] Shunya (Val Dwa Mal Law) had Trollsbane bestowed upon him by Tyr, on T:23593 10:45 -!- joes has joined #tnnt 11:01 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 12:30 -!- fakepass has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:30 [EU] moop (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3778 12:38 -!- Waffa has joined #tnnt 13:07 -!- crunchbubba has joined #tnnt 13:27 [EU] moop (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) removed qt's uncursed +0 set of silver dragon scales from the swap chest, on T:6738 13:35 [EU] moop (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7143 14:11 -!- doctwo is now known as docpi 14:22 picking up tnnt tshirts this evening 14:22 will start packaging this weekend, and ship out next monday 14:27 -!- Waffa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:48 -!- xdminsy has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:51 [EU] moop (Wiz Elf Mal Law) destroyed stash's ghost, the former Pillager, on T:11190 15:01 -!- crunchbubba has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 15:11 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 15:21 [EU] moop (Wiz Elf Mal Law) had Sunsword bestowed upon him by Ptah, on T:14606 15:26 -!- stagnate has joined #tnnt 15:34 -!- crunchbubba has joined #tnnt 15:35 [EU] [D]: docpi (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 832 points, 785 turns, killed by a gnome lord 15:36 To fast, too furious. 15:36 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 15:48 I can't wait to get my uncursed +0 Really Cool Shirt 16:09 -!- stagnate has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:12 -!- mikew999 has joined #tnnt 16:15 [EU] moop (Wiz Elf Mal Law) received Excalibur, on T:15336 16:16 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #tnnt 16:16 [EU] moop (Wiz Elf Mal Law) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:15472 16:17 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 16:24 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 16:24 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #tnnt 16:30 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 16:44 999 turns into a game on DL1, and I cannot find the downstairs. 16:55 @the_eternal_paradox3810 me neither 16:55 \o/ 16:55 -!- dingotron has joined #tnnt 16:57 -!- crunchbubba has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 16:58 -!- dingotron has quit [Client Quit] 16:58 wish I could leave work early to get the shirts now but nooooo 17:04 -!- joes has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:05 -!- joes has joined #tnnt 17:08 [US] OpticSugar (Arc Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:15586 17:27 -!- engelson has joined #tnnt 17:28 -!- hothraxxa has left #tnnt 17:37 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:51 Yay shirts! 18:01 [EU] abacus66 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) destroyed allanb's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:5144 18:02 -!- engelson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:06 [EU] abacus66 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "+2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:5200 18:19 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #tnnt 18:21 Loggers. 18:21 If not to say Loggers_VIII. 18:21 -!- engelson has joined #tnnt 18:24 Is there a specific channel for 3.7 hardfought? 18:25 hi docpi 18:25 nesta: not as far as I know 18:26 mainly people talk about 3.7 in #hardfought 18:27 Loggers_VIII, any comments on this year's TNNT? 18:28 fun time. better than last year 18:28 last year was fun too of course, but there was more excitement this year 18:30 a lot of fun to see the really good players work their magic. arseniy, furey, spazm, shadowrider, cbus, etc etc 18:30 Nesta yeah just #hardfought 18:30 anything goes in that channel 18:45 Loggers_VIII, more excitement about what? 18:46 idk, just generally 18:47 -!- mikew999 has quit [Quit: Client closed] 18:59 -!- Waffa has joined #tnnt 18:59 For me this year was more exciting being in an active clan 19:02 yeah that's usually fun 19:04 [US] [D]: widmerpool (Ran Orc Fem Cha), 394469 points, 49779 turns, killed by a shade, while paralyzed by a monster 19:05 [US] Shunya (Val Dwa Mal Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:24511 19:05 [US] Shunya (Val Dwa Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:24513 19:11 tjw I see your order 19:11 \o/ 19:12 loggers_viii, thanks for joining us <3 19:12 Yep, wanted to make sure I got it in on time 19:12 oh there's no time limit, just shirt availability 19:14 no problem cbus :) 19:17 -!- engelson has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:55 [US] eitbo (Val Hum Fem Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a scroll labeled JUYED AWK YACC on an altar, on T:3370 19:59 [US] eitbo (Val Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed fixed greased +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:3477 20:13 [EU] moop (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:19837 20:22 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 20:39 [EU] [D]: docpi (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 1616 points, 4825 turns, killed by a hill orc 20:39 Yes, several, easily avoidable mistakes. Totally justified death. 20:40 -!- dingotron has joined #tnnt 20:45 -!- joes has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:48 [EU] moop (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) made his first wish - "marker", on T:21368 21:09 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #tnnt 21:14 -!- ais523 has joined #tnnt 21:15 -!- nurdglaw has joined #tnnt 21:18 -!- Waffa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:19 -!- Waffa has joined #tnnt 21:19 [US] mracich (Val Hum Fem Neu) genocided disenchanter, on T:88993 21:24 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 21:25 -!- nurdglaw has quit [Quit: Client closed] 21:30 -!- nurdglaw has joined #tnnt 21:36 [US] mracich (Val Hum Fem Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 255 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:90679 21:50 [US] mracich (Val Hum Fem Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 50 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:91674 21:59 [US] Shunya (Val Dwa Mal Law) entered Gehennom, on T:25520 21:59 -!- cbus has left #tnnt 22:00 -!- dingotron has quit [Quit: Client closed] 22:08 -!- Umbire has joined #tnnt 22:21 [US] eitbo (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:5692 22:21 -!- nurdglaw has quit [Quit: Client closed] 22:23 -!- stagnate has joined #tnnt 22:26 who wants to see the shirts? 22:26 wearing mine right now :P 22:28 https://www.hardfought.org/phpBB3/gallery/image/2649/source 22:28 YESSSSSSS 22:28 ah shit is there still time to order 22:28 You feel charismatic! 22:29 loggers there's always time 22:29 its just a matter of availability 22:29 oh phew 22:29 i'll keep the order site up year round if i have to heh 22:29 i somehow sense danger also 22:29 some styles and sizes are sold out 22:29 and i feel lucky 22:29 and one or two have only 1 left 22:30 also we're packing up all the existing orders this weekend, so to get it as soon as possible you should order it by Friday some time 22:31 ^ this 22:31 qt is coming over to my place to help pack n' ship 22:31 then slumber party pillow fight afterwards 22:31 ... oh oops. did i say that last part out loud? 22:32 hehe 22:32 :P 22:32 there go your plans for a cowardly pillow ambush 22:32 the shirts also provide the littlest of pillow resistance 22:32 MC1 22:33 they all have the excellence property though. enchant them and become more charismatic 22:36 heh 22:38 isn't that property called adornment? 22:39 excellence is an object property in evil 22:39 probably originated in grunt? 22:39 Think so 22:41 no 22:41 excellence is 100% unique to evilhack 22:42 inspired by military humor 22:42 The of excellence 22:42 ^ real thing 22:43 K2: what's your opinion on C-rations and K-rations being the wrong way round? (in real life, C-rations were more nutritious) 22:45 dont really have an opinion... just curious why the devteam made K rations have a higher nutritional value than C rations if that's not how they were in real life 22:46 my real qorld expereince is with MRE's... omg 22:46 *world 22:46 i've eaten so many of those... i'll probably still be alive for 2 yrs after I die 22:47 MRE's nutritional value would probably be something like 6-800 in nethack 22:48 do not eat the skittles if you get them in an MRE. you'll make it rain if you do 22:48 [US] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed widmerpool's ghost, the former Scout, on T:40922 22:49 noted 22:51 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #tnnt 22:51 I think it makes sense that an MRE would be similarly nutritious to a food ration 22:52 funny enough, the chicken pesto MRE tastes better than some pesto dishes i've had in restaurants 22:53 huh interesting 22:53 apparently a C ration and an MRE were pretty similar in caloric amount (1230 and 1300 respectively) 22:54 whoever said K rations had less was wrong? I'm showing upwards of 2800 calories for the typical K ration 22:55 hmm, maybe it is a case of how many you're supposed to eat in a day 22:55 yeah 22:56 no, a single K ration was over 2800 cal 22:56 but was meant to last you all day 22:56 ah yes, one K ration is supposed to be 3 meals 22:56 how long IS a day in the dungeons of doom, really 22:56 ok so it seems nethack got it right in a roundabout way 22:56 so soliders fed on K rations had fewer calories than those fed on C rations, even though the individual ration was larger 22:56 clearly K-rations should be edible three times 22:57 i would say, just leave it alone 22:57 its fine 22:57 I am not planning to actually change it 22:57 just was curious 22:57 ain't no way 2.8 megacals sustain a soldier for a day 22:57 like that's a bag of chips/crisps 22:58 I think I have a bag of crisps in my food stash, I'll check the calorie count 22:59 ok i went to an actual .mil site, i knew 1300 cal was wrong for MRE 22:59 132 kcal 22:59 MRE has something closer to 3000 cal 22:59 (for the bag of crisps) 23:00 we have MegaPussi chips here.. they are bigger 23:01 I don't eat crisps very often, so maybe I'm buying small packets intentionally 23:01 or i could have just dug out the 2 cases of MRE's i have in the basement 23:01 those things will last F O R E V E R 23:02 save them for an emergency 23:02 that's why they are there 23:03 not like, a hard core crazy prepper amount of MRE's. more like 'snowed in for several days because blizzard' or some such 23:03 if you dont do too much physical activity, a single MRE can sustain 2-3 ppl per day 23:04 I've been sort-of having that problem recently – lots of bad weather and it's about a 20 minute walk to my usual grocery store 23:05 lots of fresh food available but it goes off quickly so I have to shop repeatedly 23:05 what about the calories in the special marine MREs? 23:07 how many calories are in one marine 23:07 marines dont have special mre's 23:08 MRE's are for all US armed forces 23:08 yeah they do 23:08 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/639626937366478859/1181733860367683604/mre-crayons-5-packs-of-4-257.png?ex=6582226b&is=656fad6b&hm=2626cc0b9e6a9d776da495ce4d1d883fb40ab81a2b1cba6c78a7df86bc5f0a44& 23:08 :) 23:11 ais523 dont forget to grab yourself a tnnt shirt 23:14 K2: I'm not interested in that 23:14 I don't buy clothes very often, and don't like sending money over the Internet (it's so complicated) 23:15 there's tnnt shirts? 23:16 Wow.  H - a cursed -7 pair of levitation boots 23:17 wew 23:17 ascend with them 23:17 not like wearing them, I'm not cooked 23:17 but definitely keep 23:17 Why?  Bonus points or street cred? 23:17 Latter :3 23:17 Muad - https://www.hardfought.org/product/tnnt-2023-shirt/ 23:18 random -7 is so unlikely 23:20 great achievement fodder tho 23:21 I think you have to be at least xlvl 21 for -7 to even be possible 23:22 :) 23:23 [EU] moop (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:30148 23:25 ais523 do you ever attend any of the worldcon events? a few of us nethack types are going to the one in Glasgow next August. if you happen to make it there, I can deliver you a shirt in person 23:25 payment in zorkmids 23:26 K2: no – in fact I have been avoiding gatherings of people for a few years now due to Covid, but didn't really go to that sort of event even beforehand 23:26 -!- unit327 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:28 understood 23:28 oh no my PYEC has insufficient funds 23:29 plan C - i'll fly in a shirt to you via drone, payment can be something the drone can bring back. a couple chickens or a small goat perhaps 23:32 lol, picturing a drone flying over the landscape with a small goat in tow 23:32 [US] eitbo (Val Hum Fem Law) destroyed stash's ghost, the former Cutpurse, on T:9210 23:33 :) 23:33 I can tell that ais523 is giving it serious consideration, as he hasnt answered right away 23:35 K2: I got as far as deciding that buying a single goat was probably viable here, but that it would be worth a lot more than the t-shirt 23:35 Muad: K2 posted a nice picture of the shirt earlier 23:36 https://www.hardfought.org/phpBB3/gallery/image/2608/source 23:36 lol 23:36 that's not it 23:36 then I got distracted 23:36 I just copied a hardfought image without looking 23:36 https://www.hardfought.org/phpBB3/gallery/image/2649/source 23:37 lol qt 23:37 and hahah ais523 23:37 Muad: is the order that just came in yours 23:37 ? 23:37 ais523 in all seriousness, if you'd like a shirt and have reservations paying online, we can figure something out 23:37 a man buys a t-shirt and you think that of me? no! I am the one who ships! 23:38 hah Loggers_VIII 23:38 K2: I don't particularly want a shirt 23:38 well then 23:38 I generally try to wear blank t-shirts in real life 23:38 like, just a solid color and nothing else 23:38 but think of the epic swag 23:38 me too ais523 23:38 could I incite you with a pair of TNNT underwear? 23:38 but I will make an exception in this case 23:38 :P 23:39 ais523 I generally just wear plain shirts also, but this is special 23:39 it's, like, out of pretty much all the options I have for clothes shopping, a NetHack tournament is not high on the list 23:39 everyone who sees you walking down the street to the grocery store will now think 'wow, he participated in the november nethack tournament 2023'. 23:39 ouch 23:39 devteam plays in tournament, does well, says nethack tournament shirt is low priority 23:40 :( 23:40 another thing to bear in mind – I used to put a /dev/null/nethack clantag into my IRC username, and then had to spend quite a while explaining it to people who saw me in non-NetHack-related channels 23:40 it is likely to get even more tedious doing it in real life 23:41 yeah I supoose if I signed my checks like 'K2 /dev/null/nethack' i'd have some explaining to do 23:41 ais523: i don't think you really need to justify your lack of interest here :) 23:42 tshirts are for punks 23:42 i'm messing with ais523. hopefully he gets it and I dont have to use tags 23:42 K2: my experience with this situation is that playing along and taking it seriously generally produces the best results 23:42 :) 23:42 I am mildly surprised that not a single member of the devteam ordered a shirt, I guess they're all so ashamed of what they've done to nethack they don't want to be associated with it in real life 23:42 Loggers_VIII on the other hand... get a shirt or you're dead to me 23:42 even if it's just absurdist humour 23:43 I will be purchasing a shirt, don't worry 23:43 qt: I think I was the only devteam member participating 23:43 lol 23:43 it has lead to a lot of balance changes for 3.7 already 23:43 I dont like all of your 'balance' changes ais523 23:43 I am not surprised 23:43 it is rare for a change to keep everyone happy 23:43 some of them are live, others wont go live til this week when i update 370-hdf again (editlevel 91) 23:44 we'll see what ppl think 23:44 the devteam has not purchased a single shirt? for this offense I would like asmodeus' cold attack to still do 10% damage through cold resistance, please. 23:44 I have spent the last 24 hours or so being annoyed at the 3.7 change to anti-magic fields, I only just realised it existed 23:44 yeah, but it's not like it's stolen valor to wear the shirt without participating. it's just a piece of nethack-related merchandise 23:44 ais523: it used to be much much worse 23:44 qt: I saw that it had been nerfed but not what the original was 23:44 it used to instakill late-game heroes with MR because it did so much damage 23:44 wow 23:45 ais523 is the only devteam member to openly play and others know who he is. I suspect other devteam members play and dont reveal their identity 23:45 it did damage based on your max energy with no cap, so wizards or priests with energy much higher than their health could be instantly killed 23:45 yeah i dont like all of paxed changes either. and I tell him :P 23:45 it was a really poorly thought out change 23:45 the nice thing about nethack is if there are changes you sony like you can revert them and just play that instead 23:45 yup 23:46 K2: I suspect the others genuinely weren't playing, many don't have time to play, and I imagine many don't play online 23:46 yeah I doubt many devteam members are secretly playing tbh 23:46 unless you have some inside info K2 23:46 dont ruin my dream 23:46 i do not have any inside info 23:46 I have been playing a lot of offline 3.7 recently 23:46 but not doing very well 23:47 I have always wondered how good the devs are at nethack. there are a few who you can know kind of like ais but the others are largely mysterious 23:47 offline partly to get the newest changes, partly to reduce lag, and partly so that I can do things like throw in random experimental HP regeneration formulas and see how they work 23:47 -!- Glasshopper has joined #tnnt 23:47 …also attaching a debugger to my non-wizmode games occasionally 23:47 Loggers_VIII: IIRC at least one is the sort of player who takes 100000 turns winning a game over a course of a month, but I've forgotten which one 23:48 that might have been NH4, actually, rather than NetHack itself 23:48 when I play local games of certain variants I always play with a debugger attached 23:48 Demo: for catching segfaults? 23:48 because otherwise they will crash without me being able to debug it 23:48 right 23:48 Murphys law 23:49 oh, while asmodeus is on my brain, his lair oughta always have the cold level temperature 23:49 i wonder if it's really true that people who didn't play felt it wasn't appropriate to buy a shirt. I thought it would appeal to people who enjoy nethack in general, it's not like it says "ASK ME HOW I RANKED IN TNNT 2023!" 23:49 that's the planned design for next year 23:49 well, it will say 2024 instead 23:49 the nice thing about nethack is it is very very reasonable to always play locally with full debug symbols and a debugger attached and not expect a performance hit 23:49 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:49 Demo: debuggers basically don't cause a performance hit anyway when in continue mode 23:50 wellllll it can 23:50 say you have it zeroing memory by default 23:50 and there's a shitload of allocations and deallocations and they are a bottleneck to begin with 23:50 there are definitely debugger options that can cause performance hits, but just attaching a ptrace (which is what gdb does by default) doesn't do much 23:51 fwiw, asan is a lot heavier with respect to performance hits, but I haven't noticed a slowdown in asan runs either 23:52 some debuggers do a lot more than just ptrace attach 23:52 by default 23:52 yes, but I don't generally use those 23:52 I have noticed an insane slowdown on asan runs* 23:53 ubsan causes a huge slowdown 23:53 the asterisk is when I try to fuzz 4 games on a 2 gb ram raspberry pi and start hitting swap because asan uses up all the memory 23:53 ah, that would also explain it 23:53 bottlenecking on swapping to an SD card is, well, lol 23:54 so unfortunately on my fuzz cluster I cannot run with asan. very sad 23:54 it makes sense that asan is more memory-hungry than it is CPU-hungry, it needs to spread all the allocations out in memory so that it can distinguish out-of-bounds accesses from in-bounds accesses to something else 23:55 and needs to avoid reusing addresses quickly so that it can detect use-after-free and double-free 23:55 I really wanna put together a blog about my fuzzing setup cause it is really cool and I wrote a custom tui exposed over ssh to manage and triage the coredumps that get generated 23:55 why don't you do it then 23:55 I'd read it 23:55 other priorities popped up 23:56 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: sorry about my connection] 23:56 -!- ais523 has joined #tnnt 23:56 you and ais with your lists of priorities 23:56 smh 23:56 I have a certain amount of time/energy that fits into that pool of stuff and it is being consumed by stuff that is profitable rn and I gotta keep striking where the iron's hot