00:00 DAILY STATS AT 2023-11-27 00:00 UTC: Games: 301, Asc: 15, Scum: 55. 1714080 turns, 40522909 points. 21d 02:39 gametime. (29%Wiz), (59%Hum), (48%Neu), (63%Fem), 3d 23:59 remaining. 00:01 [US] eitwinston (Ran Elf Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:44850 00:03 [US] bestgorilla (Rog Hum Fem Cha) just blew up her bag of holding, on T:108835 00:03 [US] knnn (Pri Hum Fem Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:38915 00:04 [EU] finitelycraig (Pri Hum Mal Law) removed efot's uncursed spellbook of teleport away from the swap chest, on T:74320 00:04 finally got shock res 00:04 on Dlvl 9 on the asc run 00:05 [US] hothraxxa (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed peterg the Traveler in a deathmatch, on T:39272 00:05 which is a hint that you can do without 00:05 [EU] finitelycraig (Pri Hum Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:74588 00:06 [EU] ais523 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:32814 00:06 T - a tin of Wizard of Yendor meat. 00:07 [US] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:4772 00:07 interesting. peterg threw 8 runed daggers at me which i picked up and put in my bag 00:07 [EU] finitelycraig (Pri Hum Mal Law) murdered his faithful purple worm, on T:74778 00:07 [US] [D]: richards (Sam Hum Mal Law), 35725 points, 18743 turns, killed by a winter wolf 00:07 when i killed her, the daggers disappeared from my bag and appeared in her pile of possessions 00:08 [EU] ais523 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:32896 00:08 such a shame. i would have liked those but i need this cloak of protection more 00:09 [US] mikew999 (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) rejected atheism by consulting with the priest of Ptah, on T:4280 00:10 [US] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a bugbear, on T:4969 00:10 oh good, the Archon on the Plane of Fire is peaceful 00:11 [US] arthur (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) had Werebane bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:25769 00:11 -!- Elenmirie_ has joined #tnnt 00:12 [US] a1 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) became literate by engraving "a", on T:3470 00:12 [AU] bleeko (Pri Elf Mal Cha) murdered his faithful purple worm, on T:52678 00:12 *phew* led a tengu painstakingly up three floors to appease Tyr, and it thankfully left a corpse for me 00:12 [AU] bleeko (Pri Elf Mal Cha) murdered his faithful purple worm, on T:52680 00:13 [US] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed ring of conflict", on T:52479 00:14 [US] [D]: Spider74656 (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 405 points, 1353 turns, killed by a small mimic 00:14 [EU] ais523 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Pestilence, on T:33088 00:14 [US] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "amulet of life saving", on T:52480 00:14 [US] disperse (Pri Hum Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:38648 00:15 [US] [D]: a1 (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 1366 points, 3707 turns, killed by a rope golem 00:15 [US] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed +2 T Shirt", on T:52481 00:16 hothraxxa: yeah there is special code for npc "transient" objects to get the "you can take only one" effect 00:17 [US] disperse (Pri Hum Fem Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 316 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:38876 00:18 [EU] [A]: ais523 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1867560 points, 33125 turns, ascended 00:18 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/a/ais523/tnnt/dumplog/1701017617.tnnt.html 00:18 i figured there would be but i was hoping 00:18 two in a row 00:18 nice 00:18 gg ais523! 00:18 I am unlikely to reach your length of streak :-) 00:19 I might try human lawful valk (the only valk I haven't done yet) next game, in an attempt to get a 3-streak 00:19 [US] disperse (Pri Hum Fem Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 332 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:39227 00:19 if that dies I will stop doing valks for the tournament most likely, unless I decide to play a game when there isn't enough time left form e to ascend anything else 00:20 [US] [D]: DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 14888 points, 5980 turns, killed by a vampire (and one other game not reported) 00:20 [US] [D]: tizreader (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 694 points, 1402 turns, killed by a dwarf 00:22 accidentally drank my potion of blindness instead of potion of invisibility 00:22 makes it hard to check for Elbereth 00:23 wow huge treasure zoo 00:23 5x10 block of creatures 00:23 -!- BestGorilla has joined #tnnt 00:24 [US] [D]: a1 (Wiz Hum Mal Law), 160 points, 658 turns, killed by a giant rat 00:25 -!- wop has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:25 Went down to the bottom, to map the stairs.... on the way back up, somehow, somewhere, I lost my bag. No clue when, where or how. 00:25 I cannot imagine I dropped it. 00:25 BUT... there have been a few Liches. 00:25 They could take this bag? 00:26 [US] disperse (Pri Hum Fem Neu) wished for "marker", on T:40312 00:26 liches don't steal 00:26 [US] tjw (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) genocided class L, on T:45243 00:26 [US] a1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed fixed +3 silver dragon scale mail", on T:166 00:27 I have NO idea where my bag is 00:27 and I had 2 00:27 I cant imagine having a boHsplosion without noticing it 00:27 I just went to use my bag, and it was gone. 00:27 i think bohsplosions are livelogged aren't they? 00:28 I think so 00:28 anyone notice me having a boshslosion recently? I wasn't in the room, I didn't see it. 00:28 [US] bestgorilla (Rog Hum Fem Cha) just blew up her bag of holding, on T:108835 00:28 FFS 00:28 FFS 00:28 well 00:28 How could I POSSIBLY miss that. 00:29 I am fucking retarded 00:29 ais523 you're a troll 00:29 karafruit: no, Croesus said that 00:29 :D 00:29 (I approve) 00:29 at 00:08 UTC 00:30 ohhhh I gotcha now 00:30 wait, no, I have the time wrong, 00:03 00:30 Omg. 00:30 two messages after the daily stats 00:30 [US] disperse (Pri Hum Fem Neu) killed Orcus, on T:40521 00:30 I know what happened.... I found a bag. yay. Bag. 00:31 perhaps my current bag of holding was 'forgotten'... 00:31 and I never noticed 00:31 oh, amnesia for bags of holding, so you thought the bag you found was non-holding? 00:31 I must have put that bag in the bag. 00:31 yes 00:31 remember the amnesia with the polycontrol ring? another effect of amnesia 00:31 it was a bag.... and ... I knew it wasn't holding, because I had already identified that. 00:31 So..... yeah.. .that could have been it 00:32 Well, either way. its gone 00:32 someone has summoned Demogorgon 00:32 and he has poisoned me. 00:32 I doubt the other devs will let me remove bohsplosions from vanilla 00:32 I have no escape items... 00:32 well, time stop, first 00:32 Im deep in gehennom 00:32 Im finished. 00:32 [US] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:54023 00:32 unicorn horn at least? 00:32 exploding your bag and then getting demo on your ass is not a good combo 00:33 the problem with that is that you'll keep getting re-poisoned 00:33 we did remove amnesia for item descriptions 00:33 I will be pissed if my unihorn fails... I would rather kill myself with a wand of death 00:33 3.7 amnesia is so much better than 3.6 00:33 BestGorilla: if you really can't figure out a way to survive, let Demogorgon kill you for the unique death, it's a very hard one to get 00:34 Unihorn isn’t enough to kill demogorgon but it might be enough to buy you time to escape 00:34 wtf is going on 00:34 gorgy may be sitting on the stairs 00:34 so you cannot teleport onto them 00:34 [US] [D]: a1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 2422 points, 745 turns, killed by a small mimic 00:35 or something else was 00:35 well, well, well, first shop in the main dungeon on level 11... 00:35 screen view is a little messsed up, make sure your TermIll is gone 00:35 [US] [D]: bestgorilla (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 851329 points, 110337 turns, poisoned by Demogorgon 00:35 Im ndone 00:35 rip 00:36 110k turns. RIP BestGorilla. :( 00:36 I think the lesson here is to not bag containers even if you know they aren't bags of holding 00:36 [US] disperse (Pri Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:41026 00:36 ... then levelport, then get back to stash, regroup, calm down, ... or dying. dying is fast and easy. :( 00:36 [US] disperse (Pri Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:41028 00:37 I had no method to level teleport 00:37 it was all in my bag 00:37 for me, the only containers I carry are the bag of holding and the emergency sack, any others I leave on the ground 00:37 -!- Umbire has quit [Killed (zirconium.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 00:37 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #tnnt 00:37 $lastgame bestgorilla 00:37 Loggers_VIII: [US] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/b/bestgorilla/tnnt/dumplog/1700534414.tnnt.html 00:37 -!- Umbire has joined #tnnt 00:37 -!- elenmirie_too has joined #tnnt 00:37 I think I had 2 or 3 potions of gain level. 00:37 [AU] bleeko (Pri Elf Mal Cha) had Frost Brand bestowed upon him by Loki, on T:53285 00:37 those are iffy because he'll follow you 00:37 -!- _kewldewd has joined #tnnt 00:38 anyway it looks like the bohsplosion destroyed them 00:38 [US] mikew999 (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:5504 00:38 digging was the best option 00:38 Guys... have a good one. You guys are pros at this... but I think I have had enough for awhile. 00:38 it's probably worth taking a break after something like that 00:38 understandable, that's a rough death 00:39 no. the best option was not type for a while. 00:39 [US] disperse (Pri Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +2 boots of speed", on T:41244 00:39 then after that, zap /oDig looked best to me. but FIRST, is stop typing. 00:39 I typed to get it over with 00:39 I had had enough of disappointment. 00:39 o/ BestGorilla you got far and will get further 00:39 BestGorilla, I died to Demogorgon earlier this tourney. I feel for you. 00:40 -!- Corvus has joined #tnnt 00:40 bag is gone...liches everywhere, all escape items missing.... cursed weapon (rusty pickaxe) 00:40 oh you know what I mean furey :P 00:40 -!- Andrio has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:40 -!- kewldewd has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:40 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:40 gwaa, what an awful way to go, I'm sorry :( 00:40 -!- Noims has quit [Quit: Client closed] 00:40 -!- elenmirie_too is now known as elenmirie 00:40 yes, i know what you mean, loggers, and you're wrong. 00:40 -!- Corvus is now known as Andrio 00:41 I am not, stopping typing may help you reach the best option but digging was still the best option 00:41 but digging only works if he's not next to you 00:41 right, but if you manage to hit him once or twice he leaves to the stairs and you can dig 00:42 learning how to play nethack is not about the best option, it's about developing the human habits that a human player can use to do well in a turn based game. 00:42 possibly, but my hits did nothing to him 00:42 furey, you are manifesting an imaginary argument. I never said anything to the contrary 00:42 BestGorilla: you didn't have a weapon wielded 00:43 when I tried to weild my sword, it said I couldn7t 00:43 -!- Elenmirie_ has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 00:43 because I had been using the pickaxe 00:43 which was cursed 00:43 ah yes, cursed pick-axe 00:43 loggers, yes you did say something to the contrary, by skipping over the important part (how a human player handles a crisis) to the easy part (what particular action to take an hour later when resuming the game) 00:43 I agree with the human habits. 00:43 the "best option" wasn't in reference to bestgorilla as a player, because bestgorilla was already dead. the second the game was over, the "best option" means just that, without the human element 00:44 I could have slowed down. (with the bagging). I could have checked my inventory for forgotten or cursed items. 00:44 I could have used teleport SOOOOO many times, but didn't, tried to power though it. 00:44 I wasn't trying to give advice, I was just speculating at what I thought was the most consistent way to get out of that situation. 00:44 I should simply have slowed down, and read, and taken stock of where I was, and the situation. 00:45 AND>... I made the choice to go further down (to use the clairvoyance) instead of to to back to my stash to fix things. 00:45 Every player in TNNT is a human being (in fact the rules prohibit non-human players) and working on the human psych level improves results quite a lot. 00:46 ok? 00:46 Furey gave me similar advice a long while back (last tourney?) about going slow and playing it as a turn-based game. I still need to improve on that. 00:46 I guess I go against that advice – I try to play quickly and inaccurately because, past the early game, I find NetHack uninteresting otherwise 00:46 or, well, the inaccuracy isn't a required part, just a natural consequence of trying to play quickly 00:46 The way I explained it to my son was that some people play NetHack like a video game, others see it as a chess match. 00:47 you still need to slow down whenever shit hits the fan 00:47 even on like a semi-speedrun 00:47 yes 00:47 Can't argue with ais523's results 00:47 I do not recommend my playing style if you care about having a high ascension rate 00:47 I mean, I never said playing slow was bad, lol 00:48 but, trying to optimise it has been fun and made the game more interesting 00:48 I screw up myself. /me splats without checking inventory for options. "I shouldn't play right now." /me starts another game. 00:48 and, well, as my recent game shows, I can play a bit more carefully if needed (e.g. I was intentionally trying for a streak in that game) 00:48 I am very careful in the early game 00:48 which, if it works, earns me the right to hack'n'slash the rest of the game 00:49 I have been trying out a range of different early game strategies 00:49 none of which are remotely as consistent as "play valk and dip for Excalibur" 00:49 these "sokoprize + luckstone" trophies actually promote playing only the early game 00:49 Furey: I think that Sokoban has somehow moved into the midgame at this point 00:49 [AU] bleeko (Pri Elf Mal Cha) genocided black dragon, on T:53424 00:49 as far as I can tell, there are precisely three difficult parts of the game: 00:50 a) the very early game 00:50 b) the difficulty level 6-7 difficulty spike 00:50 c) the Castle 00:50 [AU] bleeko (Pri Elf Mal Cha) genocided umber hulk, on T:53425 00:50 i dunno where you draw the line for early/mid, but i know sokoban zoo is fun and exciting for me 00:50 (and the Castle is noticeably less difficult than the other two) 00:50 yep, I notice that. One of my biggest hurdles is getting a character started 00:50 there have to be early-game accomplishment achievements, because a lot of players never make it to mid/late game 00:50 too many YASDs possible in the early game 00:50 Furey: I used to draw the line for early game after Minetown and Sokoban 00:50 that's everyone's experience as well 00:50 but in 3.6 I think it might have to be moved 00:51 nabru yeah early game is the hardest 00:51 once you have decent armor and weapon, the rest of game is much easier 00:51 I think I consider everything early game until you either do the quest/personally 00:51 (and good spells, if you're a wizard) 00:51 the 6-7 spike is unintentional and I've been looking at ways to fix it or at least spread it out a bit 00:51 *quest/castle 00:51 maybe it should be quest/medusa, actually 00:51 anyway, assuming we're talking about 3.6, there seem to be two good ways to get over the spike: 00:52 IMHO, as soon as you enter Gehennom, it's late game 00:52 i just finished taking 4 pets to sokoban zoo, one of which was an arch-lich, and it was still dangerous! energy vortex walked up and engulfed me. now that's what i want in a game! 00:52 a) an artifact weapon, it doesn't even have to be a particularly good one, just not outright terrible 00:52 Loggers_VIII: but then what's the midgame 00:52 b) some very powerful attack, like Expert of multishot enchanted arrows 00:52 midgame, for me, is from getting the luckstone to finishing the quest 00:52 after quest it's kind of late game already 00:52 for me it's getting MR, reflection and the various resistances 00:52 reaching XL14 is too difficult in vanilla 00:53 yeah the midgame is kind of short isn't it? 00:53 Arseniy: I put Quest after Castle generally, so it's definitely endgame for me 00:53 if you do ludios it's a little bit longer 00:53 as a valk, sure 00:53 as a healer I want to do the quest as soon as I can 00:53 midgame is figuring out how to cross Medusa I think :-) 00:53 I do ludios after quest/castle generally 00:53 [EU] [D]: Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 8478 points, 3298 turns, killed by a vampire lord 00:53 I do ludios after castle, in order to get to XL 14 00:53 in order to reach XL14 you need to farm or get lucky with potions of gain level/wraiths 00:53 (if my current game has Ludios) 00:54 Ludios hasn't been spawning for me recently, and I haven't done it this tournament 00:54 I could get behind putting the midgame "start point" right after soko/mines, but it only really adds the main dungeon which is like 5k turns or whatever 00:54 it's not ordering, it's death rate per hour playing. 00:54 I'm in Ludios now :) 00:54 or lure wraiths below valley 00:54 well, I had a game where I lured many wraiths from a graveyard in order to level up 00:54 vanilla should do the thing some variants do where ludios portal spawns in the first eligible vault below level 10 00:54 Slash'EM puts the Castle lower, and I think I understand why they did that 00:54 I think it was on my latest ascension 00:54 Loggers_VIII: yep, that would be sweet 00:54 [US] disperse (Pri Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:42679 00:54 [US] disperse (Pri Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:42680 00:55 slashem also has a bunch of special levels in the main dungeon 00:55 the exp level requirement could be lowered. 14 is too high given the flow of the game 00:55 agree with that too 00:55 (to start the quest) 00:55 fwiw I think the midgame is fine from a fun point of view, but it's too short and too easy 00:55 [US] efot (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Croesus, on T:22156 00:55 dnethack has some long side branches that extend the midgame a lot 00:55 either fix the XP curve, or fix the quest XP requirement 00:55 K2: thinking about this recently I decided that the best fix might be to make the exp curve less exponential 00:56 I was at xlvl 10 before the Oracle level this game 00:56 k2 the devteam office sinks help a lot with xp 14, was that intentional? 00:56 Furey no, just a side effect 00:56 office needed a bathroom 00:56 although, this is a symptom of a different problem: the monsters stop getting more powerful at around difficulty 8 00:56 at least 3.7 adds some dangerous monsters like quantum mechanic and displacer beast 00:56 with the lower XLs, although it's exponential, you get each at roughly the same rate because monster XP yields go up 00:56 displacer beasts especially. those are nasty 00:56 quantum mechanic always existed 00:57 (not always, but at least in 3.4.3) 00:57 oh right, genetic engineer 00:57 other Q 00:57 it's hilarious when i'm in the washroom for 2000 turns and a crowd gathers outside, mike stephenson pushing monsters out of the way 00:57 [US] disperse (Pri Hum Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:42900 00:57 but once you reach about XL 10, because the monsters stop getting more powerful, the XP yields don't increase 00:57 mike needs to wash his hands 00:57 [US] mikew999 (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:5885 00:57 Furey: remembers me of my roommate who would spend hours, ahem, showering 00:57 if you never level drain, you can get reach level 15 just by fighting 00:57 yeah stormbringer goes in a BAG when i'm doing that routine 00:58 -!- wop has joined #tnnt 00:58 reaching level 15 by fighting can happen but you won't usually reach level 14 in time to do the quest which is the annoying part 00:58 [US] [D]: Qwesti (Sam Hum Mal Law), 3972 points, 2967 turns, killed by a giant spider 00:58 Are pet vampires smarter i 3.6.7? I have one vampire lord and he doesn't seem eager to shapeshift into something useless. 00:58 do displacer beasts do that really annoying leprechaun UI screw thing where they actually displace you but you can prevent it by force-fighting? 00:58 Arseniy: 16 too 00:58 but that's about it 00:59 don't think i've ever fought to xlvl 14, just xlvl 13. the vampires get their hits in by that time. 00:59 noisytoot yeah if you 'F'ight the displacement effect is replaced by just a missed attack 00:59 yeah even for level 14 you'd be third of the way through gehennom 00:59 -!- BestGorilla has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 01:00 Hourly Stats at 2023-11-27 01:00 UTC: Games: 10, Asc: 1, Scum: 0. 180962 turns, 2786594 points. (80%Hum), 3d 22:59 remaining. 01:00 OK, so I think the fundamental problem is that monster exp yields don't keep pace with the player exp requirements 01:00 -!- Elenmirie_ has joined #tnnt 01:00 and it would be possible to fix the issue by changing either of these 01:00 requirements'd probably be easier 01:01 for anyone interested, here are some actual stats (from 3.7 on Hardfought) of the various monsters by difficulty: http://nethack4.org/pastebin/3.7-deaths-by-difficulty.txt 01:01 could always just steal xnethack's curve or something 01:01 ugh no 01:01 Loggers_VIII: I hate that because it means you should just always use F, which makes it a UI screw 01:01 that xp xurve is ridiculous 01:01 *curve 01:02 on the other hand, for roles with actually useful quest artefacts, making it easier to start quest would be a midgame nerf 01:02 difficulty 6-7, which happens at about Sokoban depth, is one of the hardest points of the game 01:02 yeah ok xnethack's is a bit overkill :) 01:02 I like dnethack's XP curve, but it's just a hardcoded list of numbers 01:02 monsters classified as 8 or higher aren't very good at killing the player 01:02 [US] [D]: SkippitoFriskito (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 558 points, 1292 turns, killed by a giant ant 01:02 Arseniy: fwiw I find reaching XL 14 for Quest to be interesting, but then backtracking to quest after that point a bit tedious 01:02 I can see an argument for, say, giving an alchemy recipe for gain level 01:03 I just reverse geno wraiths as soon as I can in vanilla because I can't be asked to votd lure 01:03 there's the enlightenment+levitation method but it is so difficult to pull off 01:03 because the ingredients are rare 01:03 [US] disperse (Pri Hum Fem Neu) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:43174 01:03 [US] disperse (Pri Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:43175 01:04 what is xnethack's xp curve? 01:04 right, it's easier to just find gain level potions 01:04 put two guaranteed potions of gain level in an optional special level or something 01:04 yeah it becomes infeasible to level up at a certain point outside of gain level / wraiths / foocubus encounters and that's a thing I don't really like 01:04 anyway, I think a better fix to the "XL14 for quest is too hard" would be to put harder monsters, with correspondingly higher XP yields, in the midgame 01:04 however, you reliably hit level 13 when clearing castle so you just need one level after that 01:04 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Experience_level#Experience_points_required_per_level 01:05 ais523 yes harder monsters :) 01:05 graphs shown as you scroll down 01:05 right now the xp curve for me basically is like this: reach level 12 by soko zoo, stay at level 12 until clearing the castle. then lure votd wraiths and jump to level 30 01:05 Loggers_VIII: mine is similar, except it involves a couple of potions of gain level from 12 to 14, and generally stays at 14-16 01:06 if I only have one potion of gain level I clear the Valley for combat experience – it takes you from 12 to 13 usually 01:06 (though in my last couple games I didn't bother to lure wraiths cause it's kind of unneccessary in vanilla) 01:06 in very old versions of NetHack, 14 was the level cap – the experience curve makes sense under that assumption 01:07 [US] disperse (Pri Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed ring of levitation", on T:43219 01:07 the problem with castle before quest is that you need MR for castle (arch-liches, soldiers with wands of death) but can't always get that 01:07 in 3.7 there's no purple L at castle on generation, so you just need reflection usually 01:08 Noisytoot: in TNNT I prioritise MR from the swap chest 01:08 but demiliches could spawn with gain level or kill enough soldiers to level up 01:08 There should be a guaranteed source of MR somewhere that you can reasonably get to without MR. dNetHack has guaranteed cloaks of MR at the end of the law quest. 01:08 ^ this is actually kind of a great idea tbh 01:08 killing enough soldiers is a a lot to ask, they tend to die well before that happens 01:08 my current strategy seems to be one of conditional reflection – I travel with reflection but may re-equip for combat in load-outs that don't have it 01:08 (thus my genocide of D in my last run) 01:09 Noisytoot: 3.7 can't generate purple L at the castle 01:09 and reflection blocks wands of death 01:09 I think the main dungeon could use something special to spice it up a little. it's super monotonous. maybe could be a magic resistance cloak at the end of a short branch or something 01:09 Loggers_VIII: well, there's the bigroom 01:10 yeah but it's not even in all games and only some of the layouts are interesting 01:10 and at the end of the day I mean, it is just a big room 01:10 well, it's a difficult combat challenge 01:10 although some layouts are easier than others 01:10 I've had it be difficult if I go too early but usually it's not so bad 01:11 the very open layouts are actually hugely dangerous 01:11 dnethack has 2 guaranteed big rooms 01:11 right, because they all see you 01:11 a special level where every enemy generates with cursed scroll of scare monster, except those created by said scrolls 01:11 Could add a whole rogue branch with rogue things and a magic resist item at the end 01:11 [US] [D]: SkippitoFriskito (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 307 points, 1006 turns, killed by a bat 01:11 *create monster I mean 01:11 my last game, I grabbed a GDSM from the swap chest while it was still stacked with them 01:11 so the bigroom was fairly easy by that point 01:12 I don't mind the rogue level but I don't think I'd want a whole branch of it 01:12 I think the EU swap chest is less loaded than it was, though – I didn't have spare wishes this game to put something spectacular in, so I took more than I gave back 01:12 not a fan of the rogue level either 01:12 I don't like it and prefer to magic map/object detect rather than explore it 01:12 the rogue level is a bit tedious to traverse 01:12 blasphemers 01:12 fwiw IMO the rogue level and bigroom should have their generation chances swapped 01:12 bigroom in every game, rogue level only sometimes 01:12 the lack of corpses is a nice extra dimension, though 01:13 ooh bigroom should be every game actually 01:13 yes, no corpses and capital letter monsters only does have an effect 01:13 [US] Qwesti (Val Hum Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1219 01:14 (you can carry lowercase letter monsters in with you but they don't generate randomly there) 01:14 I do think the rogue level could use some clean-up and tuning. But I stand by a rogue-style gameplay quest 01:14 It's annoying that astral vision doesn't work there. 01:14 I mean, really the only significanteffect is that you lure any wraiths you see one level away 01:14 *significant effect 01:14 Loggers_VIII: it's good at getting rid of trolls 01:14 oh, good point. I had forgotten about that 01:14 but the capital letter lock means wraiths are around twice as likely to generate 01:15 anyway, I feel like I need to understand how monster level works to really understand the early game 01:15 if your AC improvement (from 10) is less than the monster level, the monster always hits 01:15 so, say, when fighting a level 6 monster, AC 10 and AC 4 are equivalent 01:16 on the rogue level, stairs are food, gold is rocks, food is lizards, and armor is mimics. 01:16 there could be teleportation traps putting you directly onto a magic trap (which then triggers) in the middle of a throne room or zoo 01:16 and this means that better armor doesn't help earlygame unless you can get enough of it to start affecting the formula 01:16 that would spice things up 01:17 would riders leave corpses on the rogue level, if you somehow obtained a rider there? 01:17 [US] WizardOfPoland (Mon Hum Mal Cha) removed disperse's uncursed bag of holding from the swap chest, on T:18811 01:17 Noisytoot: it shouldn't be hard to test in wizmode 01:17 it is possible that things get broken, because it isn't a situation that's ever supposed to come up 01:18 wasn't it possible in earlier versions using wished statues? 01:18 just tested, they do not 01:18 nothing bad happened 01:19 Arseniy: I think in 3.4.3, stone-to-fleshing a statue of a unique monster gives you a doppelganger impersonating it 01:20 there may be some very old versions where it's possible 01:20 I think maybe figurines give you the real monster if you stf them? in 3.4.3 01:20 or maybe that was a dnh thing 01:20 [US] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:55991 01:20 [US] disperse (Pri Hum Fem Neu) wished for "marker", on T:44783 01:21 Figurines use monster starting inventory in 3.4.3 and prior, including some variants like dnh 01:21 [AU] bleeko (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed Famine, on T:53821 01:23 [US] WizardOfPoland (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:18934 01:23 That is a 3.4.3 thing, however you cannot wish such figurines in 3.4.3. That part is a dnh thing. 01:24 s/wish/wish for/ 01:25 makes sense 01:25 the most annoying thing about the rogue level is that lightsources don't work in corridors 01:26 well, at least floating eyes don't generate there, removing one of the main reasons why you'd use a light source in a corridor 01:26 [AU] [A]: bleeko (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 2835822 points, 53874 turns, ascended 01:26 https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/b/bleeko/tnnt/dumplog/1700791890.tnnt.html 01:26 [US] disperse (Pri Hum Fem Neu) wished for "marker", on T:44892 01:26 gg bleeko 01:26 gg Bleeko! 01:27 gg bleeko! 01:28 grats bleeok! 01:28 oops, bleeko I mean 01:28 I almost typo'd bleeok, glad I'm not the only one 01:28 [US] [D]: SkippitoFriskito (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 246 points, 1225 turns, killed by a brown mold 01:28 [US] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:56609 01:28 Thanks, tried to fill astral but famine wouldn't stay dead for more than a couple turns 01:29 very annoying! 01:29 [US] disperse (Pri Hum Fem Neu) wished for "marker", on T:45038 01:30 well done Bleeko 01:30 grats bleeko 01:30 [US] disperse (Pri Hum Fem Neu) wished for "marker", on T:45070 01:32 [US] [D]: jmcunx (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 610 points, 3184 turns, killed by a dwarf 01:32 oh wow, hit point regeneration improves hyperbolically (up to a point) – no wonder it's so much faster in the late game than the early game 01:33 [US] disperse (Pri Hum Fem Neu) wished for "marker", on T:45135 01:33 yeah it gets much better later 01:33 gg Bleeko 01:33 it's actually balanced quite well when you get into some of the brawls in stuff like the sanctum late game 01:34 Yeah you'd be surprised what you can soak up 01:34 improving HP regen rate may be one of the main incentives to level up 01:34 a level 4 character gains usually 5hp per 3 turns 01:34 It took a prompt nasty summoning several dragons and an ogre king to even put a sustained dent in me once I entered the Sanctum 01:34 summoning of 01:34 * 01:34 a 01:34 (with the chance of a lower amount, which gets higher the lower your con) 01:34 [US] anselmus (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) genocided class ;, on T:17775 01:34 * a level 14 character 01:35 whereas in the very early game, the HP gained from levelling up is actually a significant source of healing 01:35 I haven't played much 3.7, does the knockback thing make getting surrounded by monsters like that much worse? 01:36 not like, much much 01:36 ais523: I haven't seen "improves hyperbolically" before; what does it mean? 01:36 [US] disperse (Pri Hum Fem Neu) entered the Planes, on T:45164 01:36 but it is worse because you get stunned 01:36 in evilhack when a monster knocks you into something you just get stunned 01:36 cathartes: like exponential growth, hyperbolic growth grows initially slowly and then gets much faster, but with hyperbolic growth it becomes infinite at a certain point 01:36 ah yeah makes sense 01:36 the typical example is 1/5, 1/4, 1/3, 1/2, 1/1, 1/0 01:37 these formulas aren't used very often because they don't really have sensible scaling behaviour 01:38 [US] eitkrog (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Grayswandir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:16145 01:38 I see, and that would describe the HP regen up to around level 10 or so. 01:38 exponential is 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64… and quadratic is 1, 4, 9, 16, 25, 36, 49… 01:38 Loggers_VIII, you'd rather there be a monster behind you than, say 01:38 water, a wall of water, a wall of lava 01:39 they all get faster over time, but with exponential (e.g. NetHack's XP curve) every increase completely obviates the ones before, whereas with quadratic, the gains are more managable 01:39 knockback is bad, especially with water/lava walls existing 01:39 Umbire: how do the walls of water/lava work? I've encountered them in 3.7 but don't understand what they do 01:39 it's like plane of water water 01:39 "can't be crossed by water walking" is about the gist of it 01:39 3D water/lava 01:39 I like knockback in evilhack so I assume I like it in 3.7 01:39 or levitation, presumably 01:39 or flying 01:39 what do they look like on the map? 01:40 they're light blue } and orange } I think 01:40 different colour of water tile for the water 01:40 like 3.6 plane of water water or the water on dagon's level in dnh 01:40 fair enough 01:40 Loggers_VIII, I honestly like it and I'm slightly sad knockback deaths into those were apparently removed in 3.7 but ultimately I get it 01:41 they were removed? good 01:41 and I don't like it enough to pitch a tent about it every other week or so 01:41 but I felt like it added a sort of strategic dimension where you have to be more mindful of your surroundings 01:41 which there's already a fair amount of mind 01:41 in 3.7 it's size-based and not like a specific attack type for monsters right? 01:42 ...huh, I probably don't need _seven_ lizard corpses... 01:42 I have yet to have a game where I need more than one, but I usually carry two just to be on the safe side 01:42 I tend to just pick up every dead lizard I see tbh 01:43 ...which leads to me lugging seven around 01:43 so do I, but I eat some of them early when I have too amny 01:43 [US] disperse (Pri Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:45395 01:43 yes 01:43 probably not a bad idea tbh 01:43 karafruit, I stash extras in the BoH when I can 01:43 also have way too many food rations tho lol 01:43 (to the size-based question) 01:43 also it's always been size-based in evil too 01:43 slouse of pizza 01:43 rocking a sack rn, no fancy holding nonsense 01:43 that I can recall 01:43 Demo: does that pluralise to "slice of pizza"? 01:43 Just don't eat too many, try to keep at least 2-3 01:43 evilhack has a seperate AD_CLOB attack type 01:43 no in evil some monsters just have like "kick 1d4 knock-back" 01:44 Loggers_VIII, ah you meant that 01:44 yea 01:44 yeah it's size-based in 3.7 rather than an AD 01:44 nah I'm just gonna stick some in a stash I'm making and keeping two 01:44 but yeah I could just eat them, that's true too 01:44 I seem to remember it being an old pluralization edge case that im sure is fixed in modern nethack 01:44 nah, the stash is smarter 01:44 I find that I typically need about 2 food rations for Gehennom, given that I generally eat monsters and the food rations only cover gaps where there have been no monsters to eat for a while 01:44 was just saying if you're gonna eat them 01:44 [US] disperse (Pri Hum Fem Neu) killed Pestilence, on T:45433 01:45 I was scared my whole vegetarian monk run I was gonna accidentally eat one 01:45 each lizard gets you out of like, 2-3 stonings I think? 01:45 this game was weird because I had both slow digestion and regen (and when that got destroyed, conflict) 01:45 so I could manipulate my nutrition rate at will 01:45 ah vegan monk problems, makes sense 01:45 although, mostly I put it on maximum 01:45 ok its real and I'm not crazy. it is a difference between 343 and modern vanilla 01:45 oh I guess sokoban might have a bag of holding, maybe I should go back and do it 01:45 for my monk asc I want to say I used any ranged option I could on those and held on to acid just in case 01:46 I know for sure the latter is true but hmm 01:46 [US] disperse (Pri Hum Fem Neu) killed Famine, on T:45478 01:46 oh lol, speaking of, there's one in this treasure zoo rn 01:46 [US] disperse (Pri Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed partially eaten chickatrice corpse", on T:45480 01:47 and I'm not wearing gloves. Ok. Just be careful if I get blinded. 01:47 [US] [D]: a1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 2049 points, 4163 turns, killed by a dingo 01:47 [US] eitbrad (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:23262 01:48 $whereis karafruit 01:48 Umbire: [US] karafruit : (Val Dwa Fem Law) T:12220 The Dungeons of Doom level: 13 01:48 Also be careful if you get disarmed 01:48 oh ye, I meant more once it was dead 01:48 [US] Loggers (Val Hum Fem Law) genocided disenchanter, on T:15717 01:49 but, ye, dangerous alive too 01:50 [US] disperse (Pri Hum Fem Neu) killed Death, on T:45536 01:51 -!- Arseniy has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:51 [US] Loggers (Val Hum Fem Law) has entered the Arena, on T:16312 01:52 [US] [A]: disperse (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 2306912 points, 45563 turns, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/d/disperse/tnnt/dumplog/1700971740.tnnt.html 01:52 gg disperse! 01:52 [US] maneatingcow (Val Hum Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:75493 01:53 [US] spazm (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:37651 01:53 woah, I have all three scrolls before I even got to the rogue level, that's a first 01:53 Thanks kara 01:53 grats disperse! 01:53 [US] eitbrad (Bar Orc Fem Cha) bribed Asmodeus with 8 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:23609 01:54 Thanks! 01:54 gg 01:54 That should be all roles for me, unless I missed one somehow. 01:55 congratz disperse! 01:55 [US] Loggers (Val Hum Fem Law) killed DekaFumoPuzzle the Magistra in a deathmatch, on T:16576 01:55 hm I don't actually really want the really cool shirt yet... 01:55 damn that took forever 01:55 congrats on all roles disperse! 01:56 and thanks again so much for telling me about TNNT, I would've been totally unaware 01:56 deka apparently ascended with like 4 cursed scrolls of create monster and a million life saving amulets 01:56 wow, all roles? impressive 01:56 [US] eitbrad (Bar Orc Fem Cha) bribed Baalzebub with 10 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:23741 01:56 [US] maneatingcow (Val Hum Fem Law) removed eitbrad's uncursed +4 ring of increase accuracy from the swap chest, on T:75609 01:57 That was my goal for the tournament, I finished early, now I can play something for fun or try and finish off some achievements if I feel like it. 01:57 [US] Roke (Rog Hum Mal Cha) genocided class R, on T:17240 01:57 [US] [D]: Evendur (Ran Orc Fem Cha), 30 points, 194 turns, killed by a jackal 01:58 ugh I really need gloves 01:58 mood, loggers 01:58 [US] Evendur (Ran Orc Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (mind flayer), on T:47 01:58 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 01:59 oh wow, I just realised that the difficulty spike may be a consequence of the XP curve being wrong 01:59 [US] [D]: terrapin (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 741 points, 1421 turns, killed by a dwarf zombie 02:00 Hourly Stats at 2023-11-27 02:00 UTC: Games: 10, Asc: 2, Scum: 0. 111943 turns, 5147275 points. (40%Orc), 3d 21:59 remaining. 02:00 because monster difficulty is based on a dl/xl average, but xl stops going up after 10-11 02:00 so once you reach that point, the rate at which monsters become harder is halved 02:00 [US] Loggers (Val Hum Fem Law) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:17441 02:00 where is my death wand 02:01 must've not picked it up 02:01 I'll trade you for a cursed potion of invis 02:01 [US] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Yeenoghu, on T:59589 02:01 "You kill the Lizard of Yendor!" 02:01 this time I really will use that corpse for the rest of the game 02:01 aww, poor lizard of yendor 02:02 "Thank you for freeing me!" 02:02 [US] eitbrad (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed Orcus, on T:24024 02:03 [US] anselmus (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed wand of death named derp", on T:17861 02:03 ooh a store on floor 16, maybe I'll _finally_ have a way to price id without going back to minetown... six mimics tho :c 02:03 -!- wop has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:03 [US] tjw (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) became Thoth's Envoy of Balance, on T:46023 02:04 ......there's a small mimic mimicing a statue of a small mimic. Come on, dude, you can do better than that. 02:04 [US] anselmus (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:17871 02:04 he's trying his best :( 02:04 well his best AIN'T GOOD ENOUGH 02:04 he's just a baby 02:04 [US] anselmus (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:17889 02:05 karafruit: that would be funnier if it were sitting on a statue trap, with no actual statue on the square 02:05 [US] Evendur (Ran Orc Fem Cha) found kitten, on T:870 02:06 [US] Loggers (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:17917 02:06 right? but I assume traps don't gen in shops 02:06 [US] mracich (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed SkippitoFriskito's ghost, the former Bandit, on T:7599 02:06 They're not supposed to 02:07 karafruit: indeed, and the shopkeeper will remove any traps that do end up in a shop 02:07 (although webs were only added to the list of traps a shk would remove recently, I'm not sure if shks remove those in 3.6_ 02:08 there can be lava and stuff in 3.7 shops though 02:08 p sure this statute of a cockatrice is a mimic too 02:08 [US] eitbrad (Bar Orc Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:24352 02:08 [US] eitbrad (Bar Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:24353 02:08 but that's slightly more convining 02:08 shops never sell statues so yeah probably 02:08 well, that's incorrect. they will sell statues, but statues never are in their starting inventory as far as I know 02:09 well. I killed statue-mimic's family around him. Now I'm going to leave him to suffer and wonder when I'll be back for him. 02:10 (Furey might be right that I'm the bad one in these games...) 02:10 I mean if that's how you're envisioning and rationalizing it then yeah maybe! 02:11 yeah that's pretty evil lol 02:11 [US] mikew999 (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) found kitten, on T:11017 02:12 [US] [D]: lambda (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 7661 points, 13940 turns, killed by an energy vortex 02:12 I hate the fact that, when playing lawful, it's almost always correct to kill a peaceful dwarf for a digging tool 02:12 (especially because I had Orctown that game) 02:12 plus armor 02:13 [US] cathartes (Ran Orc Fem Cha) killed Scorpius, on T:24545 02:13 -!- xdminsy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:13 [US] cathartes (Ran Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:24556 02:13 [US] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:60393 02:13 at least when you eat them, there's no trace 02:13 -!- xdminsy has joined #tnnt 02:13 [US] anselmus (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:18086 02:14 Loggers_VIII: for armor it's just "often" rather than "almost always" 02:14 ooh, figurine of a winged gargoyle, now that could be fun to bless 02:16 boo, 0:1 wand 02:16 [US] efot (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:26864 02:16 [US] Loggers (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:18230 02:16 [US] Loggers (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:18233 02:17 [US] Loggers (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed +2 pair of gauntlets of power", on T:18234 02:17 [US] Loggers (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:18234 02:17 I personally leave it to the pet if I can 02:17 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 02:17 Oh I hope that connection didn't drop mid-wish prompt 02:18 oh, update, statue-mimic is now pretending to be a statue of a tiger 02:19 oof didn't proof his gop 02:21 [US] Roke (Rog Hum Mal Cha) genocided class ;, on T:17834 02:24 Umbire: that quit reason isn't a dropped connection 02:24 those show up as "connection reset" or "client disconnected" 02:24 or "ping timeout" 02:24 [US] DekaFumoPuzzle (Pri Hum Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:5059 02:25 ah, "remote host closed the connection" is how "client disconnected" is worded on Libera 02:28 [US] DekaFumoPuzzle (Pri Hum Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a kobold, on T:5275 02:31 [US] Roke (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed Croesus, on T:18309 02:31 Oh right, there's missing scrolls of code 02:31 Haven't seen rogue level yet, relative first for me 02:32 [US] [Q]: Evendur (Ran Orc Fem Cha), 1436 points, 3036 turns, quit 02:37 [US] spazm (Hea Gno Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (class h), on T:39734 02:39 [US] spazm (Hea Gno Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:39797 02:39 -!- efot60 has quit [Quit: Client closed] 02:40 [US] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:62898 02:40 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 02:40 [US] [D]: lambda (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 1549 points, 1998 turns, killed by a hobbit, while praying 02:40 [US] Umbire (Tou Hum Fem Neu) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by The Lady, on T:17513 02:41 [US] [D]: SkydiveMike (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 1431 points, 1957 turns, killed by a hill orc 02:44 [US] DekaFumoPuzzle (Pri Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed fixed greased +2 the sceptre of might", on T:6005 02:51 Oh right, apparently you can just smash long worms in two with hammers. 02:51 Literally. 02:52 long woooooooooorm 02:55 cutty weapons are better than smashy ones if you want to split long worms 02:56 I mean I already have a couple of worm teeth and I'm not exactly farming 02:56 more amusing visual than anything 02:56 a -3 knife is excellent for farming long worms 02:59 [US] [D]: lambda (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 291 points, 1598 turns, killed by a coyote, while sleeping 03:00 [US] spazm (Hea Gno Fem Neu) removed Bean's uncursed amulet of reflection from the swap chest, on T:41234 03:05 -!- blankman has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:05 [US] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a woodchuck, on T:3186 03:06 [US] anselmus (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:18198 03:06 [US] anselmus (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:18202 03:07 [US] spazm (Hea Gno Fem Neu) made her first wish - "magic marker", on T:41487 03:07 -!- blankman has joined #tnnt 03:07 [US] spazm (Hea Gno Fem Neu) genocided class L, on T:41490 03:09 [US] spazm (Hea Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 cloak of magic resistance", on T:41549 03:11 [US] karafruit (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:17940 03:12 [US] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a +0 pair of iron shoes on an altar, on T:3869 03:14 [US] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (disenchanter), on T:3903 03:15 [US] mracich (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Oracle, on T:11341 03:16 [US] knnn (Pri Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:41896 03:16 [AU] Andrio (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:68341 03:16 [AU] Andrio (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:68342 03:16 [US] knnn (Pri Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:41903 03:17 [US] lambda (Tou Hum Fem Neu) just blew up her bag of holding, on T:1177 03:17 [US] [D]: lambda (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 100 points, 1177 turns, killed by a magical explosion 03:17 [US] maneatingcow (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:80605 03:18 [AU] unit327 (Ran Orc Fem Cha) wished for "marker", on T:25521 03:19 [US] maneatingcow (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:80628 03:21 [US] [D]: Furey (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 3624 points, 2388 turns, killed by a dwarf king 03:21 i was in trouble when my pet went missing 03:21 come on, smoky potion! don't let me down! 03:21 aw, just mildly stale kiwifruit juice. :( 03:22 woah you can make a lot of that 03:22 [US] spazm (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed Asmodeus, on T:42351 03:22 [AU] unit327 (Ran Orc Fem Cha) genocided class h, on T:25542 03:23 oh fruit juice + sickness makes sickness, interesting 03:23 Yahuh 03:23 technically a super-slow method for infinite wishes is now available to you 03:24 well, don't have any of either rn. but good to keep in mind 03:24 infinite? don't djinni go extinct at some point? 03:26 [US] kcostell (Bar Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:14337 03:26 [US] spazm (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:42828 03:27 I did say technically 03:27 :B 03:28 does makemon check extinct? 03:28 technically would mean it's not infinite tho 03:28 and once you get enough it might as well have been infinite for all that you'll have wished up anything you care about 03:28 (yes I know that's not what it means shhh) 03:28 "might as well have been infinite" != infinite 03:28 * Umbire rolls up a newspaper. 03:29 look I'm not gonna budge on this one 03:29 Legitimately though what the fuck else could you want once you've broken into triple digits 03:29 you said "infinite" and you also said "technically" 03:29 they DID 03:29 [US] [D]: DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 18852 points, 5480 turns, killed by brainlessness 03:29 [AU] [D]: bleeko (Kni Hum Mal Law), 3204 points, 3157 turns, killed by a magic missile 03:30 look what if I want to put a stack of 4 million +7 rustproof shuriken in the swap chest? (oh, I guess carrying capacity. Hrm. 500?) 03:30 is it actually infinite though? 03:30 25 wishes give or take 03:30 I think it's a cap of 20 for reliably wishing up stacks of certain projectiles? 03:30 makemon has a debug message (in wizmode only) when creating an extinct monster but I'm not sure whether it respects extinction 03:30 i have a use for 52 amulets of life saving 03:31 yeah shuriken is 20 03:31 I checked yesterday 03:31 even if they don't go extinct, I bet the chance would get small enough the computer would round to 0 eventually 03:31 depending on how it's implemented 03:31 wishing for shuriken is actually pretty good 03:32 I have about 26 so far this game, might do the same thing again. Except I'm a lot shorter on wishes this time 03:32 hrm. trap on the chest next to quest leader. Traps only affect the opener, right? 03:32 Believe so, yes 03:33 I think extinction is checked in rndmonst (random monster selection), not in makemon. So djinni created from magic lamps/smoky potions do not respect extinction and it is really infinite. 03:33 time to bag all my rings and wands... *sigh* 03:33 makemon only checks genocide 03:33 karafruit: :3 03:34 also the technically is both in a sense of "would you really do that though" and a sense of "you need to be playing a specific role and/or using specific artifacts to even attempt this silly bullshit" 03:34 for chance to generate djinni, the chance would eventually get to zero as far as 32 bits (or 64 bits) can represent. Unless rolling a zero always generates one, hrm. 03:34 I don't believe nethack uses floating point anywhere 03:34 well yeah I'd have to convert to neutral 03:34 not sure if it would round to 0 or it would just cap at an absurdly low chance 03:35 which actually might be impossible, now I think of it 03:35 playing monks for a few games so if i see shuriken, i pull up quick and retrieve it 03:35 oh wait, minetown altar was neutral 03:35 [AU] unit327 (Ran Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +3 shield of reflection", on T:25817 03:35 [US] Roke (Rog Hum Mal Cha) destroyed xororand's ghost, the former Priest, on T:21742 03:35 yeah I've been collecting shuriken because it felt like a fun thing to put in swap chest 03:35 [US] knnn (Pri Hum Fem Neu) killed Orcus, on T:43142 03:36 [US] spazm (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:43450 03:36 I collect them just because 03:36 I like keeping stuff that's hard to come across usually 03:36 [US] mikew999 (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) murdered his faithful housecat, on T:14871 03:36 *sigh* dropped all my rings and wands (except one ring I was wearing and had duplicates). Disarm the trap successfully. lol. 03:36 Never mind: it does actually respect extinction. G_GONE (which includes geno'd and extinct) is not checked in makemon, but it is checked in dodrink. 03:37 omg game I *don't need* more spellbooks of cure blindness 03:37 "number of monsters of a type that were born" is stored in a uchar, so I believe it would max out at 255. 03:37 I was about to say that 03:38 so eventually the chance per potion of a djinni is 1/(13+2*255) = 1/523 03:38 how is that rolled though? 03:39 pseudo-random number mod 523 compared to 0? 03:39 yeah that would still do it 03:39 yeah, the standard !rn2(chance) 03:39 rn2 is basically rand()%chance 03:39 I haven't dug into the source at all tbh 03:39 gotcha, thanks :) 03:41 yikes, having a hard time distinguishing colors between floor and ice on valk quest home. changed terminal color to make it more distinguishable and as I walk to the downstair, two enemies set off fire traps and drowned 03:41 [US] spazm (Hea Gno Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:43807 03:41 [US] spazm (Hea Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:43809 03:42 * karafruit might chicken out 03:43 yikes, trapdoor 03:43 what is it with trap doors and the quest for me lately 03:44 [US] [D]: lambda (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 3563 points, 1781 turns, killed by a small mimic 03:44 using rand()%chance where RAND_MAX is not divisible by chance results in a biased distribution 03:45 [US] knnn (Pri Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Demogorgon, on T:43937 03:46 elvenking beat a gold naga and ate them 03:47 karafruit: I was doing five searches before every step on ice 03:47 [US] knnn (Pri Hum Fem Neu) destroyed bestgorilla's ghost, the former Robber, on T:43961 03:47 with Exca wielded 03:47 when I came back the second time, to figure out what I'd done with the bell of opening 03:47 wow I wasn't that cautious 03:47 I realised I could just use a lev ring instead 03:47 ...... 03:48 * karafruit has a lev ring in her bag 03:48 Noisytoot: you mean (RAND_MAX+1) not divisible by chance? 03:49 probably 03:51 [US] karafruit (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a silver dragon, on T:18842 03:51 aaaaaaand poly trap 03:51 well, now I can fly at least 03:51 * karafruit waits for the inevitable cockatrice 03:53 * karafruit flies away like a giant silver chicken 03:54 -!- Bleeko has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:54 Yuk, this water tastes awful. Welcome back to experience level 30. 03:57 -!- _kewldewd has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:57 Silver dragon form is probably enough to beat Surtur tbh 03:57 [US] mikew999 (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:15858 03:57 not a lot of HP and vulnerable to cold 03:57 I'm being greedy and want the magic mirror of merlin so I wasn't gonna go all the way to the end anyway. But probably could've, yeah 03:58 plus if you do the thing cathartes mentioned earlier you can get clean shots on the stairs too 03:58 I must've missed that advice 03:59 the thing about standing >5 squares Euclidean distance from the stairs? 03:59 don't fly over lava or you die if you depoly 03:59 [AU] Andrio (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Yeenoghu, on T:70556 04:00 I'm safely back in the main dungeon as a dwarf rn, but I'll keep in mind if I hit another poly trap on the way to him 04:00 [US] [D]: fadein (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 346 points, 1488 turns, killed by a gas spore's explosion 04:00 ohh, yeah, standing far enough away that the baddie won't go up the stairs, yeah 04:00 [US] [D]: mikew999 (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 22844 points, 16004 turns, killed by a panther 04:00 yuk, tins of dwarf meat >:( 04:01 [US] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:67717 04:01 [US] knnn (Pri Hum Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:44103 04:04 -!- blankman has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:04 lol, statue mimic didn't even pretend to be anything this time, just attacked me 04:04 Huh, Demogorgon showed up quick today. 04:04 got tired of your weird Scream bullshit about mimics I bet 04:05 [AU] Andrio (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:70787 04:05 or, wait, is that even the right horror movie to reference here 04:05 -!- blankman has joined #tnnt 04:05 probably. He's dead now. 04:05 [US] spazm (Hea Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed drum of earthquake", on T:45330 04:05 [US] [D]: a1 (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 120 points, 437 turns, killed by a kobold zombie 04:05 [US] [D]: fadein (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 148 points, 368 turns, killed by a falling rock 04:06 How late can the Rogue level be? 04:06 I feel like this is a slightly late one at least 04:06 [AU] Andrio (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed Demogorgon, on T:70829 04:06 oh my god FINALYL 04:06 [US] knnn (Pri Hum Fem Neu) genocided class L, on T:44133 04:06 Where was it? 04:06 one hit with a rubber chicken? 04:06 [US] Furey (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) murdered her faithful kitten, on T:1 04:06 a-1, yeah, he got cockatrice corpsed. 04:06 OH no I'm talking about a completely different thing 04:07 can actually cast identify now 04:07 smart. 04:07 [US] spazm (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:45374 04:07 There was a convenient cockatrice on the level under Orcus's. 04:07 [US] mikew999 (Ran Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1 04:07 that tracks 04:07 [US] knnn (Pri Hum Fem Neu) genocided class h, on T:44137 04:07 oh 04:08 [US] Furey (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) murdered his faithful kitten, on T:48 04:08 ooh, a mind flayer 04:08 [US] spazm (Hea Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:45397 04:10 [US] spazm (Hea Gno Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:45702 04:13 [US] [D]: Furey (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 40 points, 801 turns, killed by an unsuccessful polymorph (and 6 other games not reported) 04:13 [US] Roke (Rog Hum Mal Cha) genocided class L, on T:23026 04:14 [US] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law) had Grayswandir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:68545 04:15 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 04:15 wow that's the third shop I've found below level 10 04:15 [US] maneatingcow (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:84756 04:16 [US] spazm (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed the invisible high priest of Moloch, on T:46019 04:16 [US] maneatingcow (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Yeenoghu, on T:84783 04:16 [US] mracich (Val Hum Fem Neu) averted death (killed by an air elemental), on T:14537 04:16 [US] spazm (Hea Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:46034 04:16 me after I cave in a couatl's head with a divine hammer 04:16 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/503281133438369792/1178549877790232676/th.jpg?ex=65768d1b&is=6564181b&hm=77f54c4c43d295e3b27e51b50f41227b4fa87b24d82cbb5f5e86d4272b4d258e& 04:18 [US] anselmus (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:19735 04:18 neat, a beehive 04:19 [US] tjw (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:46267 04:20 all of the 50 potions cancel to fruit juice, right? 04:21 ohhh, no, booze stays booze. hrm. 04:21 time to look for an amethyst 04:21 Yeah you need an amethyst to de-booze fruit juice 04:22 oh there's a guaranteed one in mimic of the mines 04:22 if I'm adventerous enough to go back there 04:22 although I'm not sure these un-ID'd 50s are booze, they could already be fruit juice 04:23 * karafruit is plotting operation Wish 04:23 [US] [D]: Furey (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 103 points, 639 turns, zapped himself with a spell 04:23 [US] spazm (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:46799 04:23 DL 18 rogue level 04:23 genuinely what's the range for it, I don't remember and I wanna compare 04:23 also are shops normally that rare below 04:24 DL for you, karafruit? 04:24 15-18 according to wiki 04:24 ~~pinky typos <<<<<~~ 04:24 LMAO I maxrolled depth 04:24 I'm on 17 rn 04:24 that's funny 04:24 I've had ones on 11, 16, and 17 04:24 and none above 04:25 ah, different kinda screwy RNG 04:25 [US] [D]: OtsMcGee (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 352 points, 2056 turns, killed by a gnome lord 04:26 still running with reflection and no MR 04:26 [US] Nesta (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) found kitten, on T:3347 04:27 You will simply never melee-range high level spellcasters 04:27 you just won't 04:27 ain't happening 04:27 no sir, no ma'am, no buddy no pal 04:27 no way no how 04:28 ...where's the fucking ghost 04:28 am I about to last location this guy 04:28 [US] anselmus (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:19860 04:28 I don't think he's guaranteed? 04:28 I recall he is 04:28 oh nvm, you seem to be right 04:28 it's the fake Amulet with him that isn't 04:29 wait, the food there isn't cursed??? ?TIL 04:29 yeah, the food is fine, it's the armor and weapons that might be possibly 04:29 they're also usually okay enchantment wise iirc 04:30 somehow never got a warning about mumak re-hungering so it just quietly died instead 04:30 shame. 04:31 oh hey mr. giant, check out this sword I got 04:31 [US] [D]: Furey (Arc Hum Fem Law), 759 points, 1012 turns, killed by a plains centaur 04:32 -!- Waffa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:32 [US] [D]: Nesta (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 715 points, 3799 turns, killed by a giant ant 04:32 actual last location for the Rogue ghost 04:32 +1 mace and +2 ring mail 04:32 both cursed though 04:32 [US] Bean (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:41378 04:33 dang, just mildly stale kiwifruit juice, no djinni 04:33 from five potions 04:34 [US] anselmus (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the invisible Famine, on T:19924 04:34 [US] spazm (Hea Gno Fem Neu) entered the Planes, on T:48165 04:34 at least I'm unencumbered now tho 04:34 [US] spazm (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:48170 04:34 [US] [A]: anselmus (Wiz Elf Mal Law), 318792 points, 19935 turns, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/a/anselmus/tnnt/dumplog/1700899195.tnnt.html 04:34 [US] [D]: mikew999 (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 1181 points, 2381 turns, killed by a bolt of cold 04:34 gg anselmus! 04:35 thank you 04:35 [US] [D]: Furey (Arc Hum Mal Law), 88 points, 779 turns, killed by a guard 04:36 [US] Roke (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:24365 04:36 gg 04:37 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:38 [US] [D]: mikew999 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 88 points, 391 turns, killed by a fox 04:39 [US] [D]: Nesta (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 79 points, 755 turns, poisoned by a rotted kobold corpse, while helpless (and 15 other games not reported) 04:40 are magic lamps more common in 3.6.7/TNNT than 3.4.3? i feel like i find at least 2 every run these days lol 04:40 [US] spazm (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed Famine, on T:48452 04:41 thanks in-game pax'd for IDing gain level 04:41 I actually haven't gotten many potions this game, annoying 04:42 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 04:42 started with =pr and +4 staff o/ 04:42 [US] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:69896 04:42 [US] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:69897 04:43 magic lamps and maybe luckstones 04:43 what're the hose and hook in the devteam office for again 04:43 if anything 04:44 oh hello lich 04:44 oh yeah i find like 3-5 luckstones per run too 04:44 [US] [D]: wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Law), 1155 points, 2297 turns, killed by a giant bat 04:45 holy heck, dl 20 store, with NINE mimics 04:45 That's normalish 04:45 [US] spazm (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed Pestilence, on T:48556 04:45 the nine mimics part, yeah 04:45 there being a store on level 20, not so much ime 04:45 last night was all elves. Today, I just want an elvish short sword and a cursed potion of invis 04:45 Eh 04:45 that's why I'm not kidding about doing m's if I get blessed geno in starting gear 04:45 [US] knnn (Pri Hum Fem Neu) genocided class R, on T:45073 04:45 Think I had one about that depth or a few floors up last asc 04:46 I usually do ms at the castle but I wish I could do them sooner 04:46 it's generally p. uncommon 04:46 Small chance of a good additional magic item on Orcus + good shops if they're deep 04:46 though rn if I still had my scroll I'd do L 04:46 [US] spazm (Hea Gno Fem Neu) averted death (killed by a priestess of Moloch), on T:48590 04:46 to increase my chances of surviving castle 04:46 Wouldn't do m's unless I can do it before any shops are generated 04:46 just another elbereth-respecting monster that's not worth a geno 04:47 ill gen m if i find like a random extra geno before hitting orcctown, but i wont write a scroll for it 04:47 another big potion shop, wonder if I can get more blessed sickness out of it 04:47 is sickness your smoky this run? 04:47 [US] knnn (Pri Hum Fem Neu) genocided class ;, on T:45075 04:47 Yes 04:47 [US] tinklebear (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:17357 04:48 Doing L's and h's takes some of the best pet options out of the game, but with Elbereth nerfed athames aren't as valuable. 04:48 yeah, sick smoky 04:48 it's also my smoky on my current run lol. good one to have honestly 04:48 yeah 04:48 since theyre so common and you can alchemy for a ton of them too 04:48 [US] spazm (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed Death, on T:48634 04:48 subtle reason why smoky sickness > smoky fh 04:49 smoky full healing was amazing back in 3.4.3 when you could alchemize full stacks guaranteed 04:49 now, not so much 04:49 2 booze, 2 fruit juice, 1 see invis, 2 sickness 04:49 not bad 04:49 since gain ennergy are so rare 04:49 thats preatty good 04:49 also like two paralysis and three gain ability 04:49 but charisma is about the only stat that can still go up 04:50 and str but wearing GoP 04:50 booze>juice with amethyst and then dip in the sickness to contaminate for like 4 extras 04:50 yep yep, that's the plan 04:50 gotta go back to mine's end probably for the amethyst but that's doable 04:50 [US] [A]: spazm (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 1889828 points, 48661 turns, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/s/spazm/tnnt/dumplog/1700950241.tnnt.html 04:50 gg spazm! 04:50 gratz spasm 04:50 gg 04:51 -!- fakepass has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:51 [US] Roke (Rog Hum Mal Cha) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:24944 04:53 [US] [D]: lambda (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 5679 points, 5498 turns, killed by a gnome 04:54 gg 04:55 You can alchemize gain level for whatever that's worth 04:58 [US] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:5320 04:58 [US] WizardOfPoland (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Master Kaen, on T:24345 05:00 Hourly Stats at 2023-11-27 05:00 UTC: Games: 49, Asc: 2, Scum: 30. 1d 16:49 gametime. (42%Wiz), 3d 18:59 remaining. 05:01 [US] WizardOfPoland (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:24425 05:02 [US] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Law) received Excalibur, on T:5975 05:03 [US] cathartes (Ran Orc Fem Cha) killed Croesus, on T:28409 05:06 -!- raisse has joined #tnnt 05:06 [US] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Law) performed her first genocide (mind flayer), on T:6485 05:07 amethyst: gotten 05:08 lol, this level 0 troll keeps getting up to get one-shot again 05:08 that's always fun to do 05:08 I wish trolls died permanently faster 05:09 Noooooo i accidentally blanked a missing code scroll 05:09 Oof 05:09 I started with a spellbook of jumping as a wizard and now found +5 jumping boots. 05:10 Why can't my luck spread out 05:10 Alright, that's enough sightseeing in the level 05:10 [US] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Law) genocided master mind flayer, on T:6765 05:10 [US] Umbire (Tou Hum Fem Neu) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:19375 05:10 Not having the Shirt isn’t a huge deal, but the warning is noce for characters who otherwise wont get it 05:10 Well it's a guaranteed shirt if you do it 05:10 Shirt hard to find :( 05:11 woooo got the wish 05:11 I usually get a shirt by wishing for a wand of poly and zapping down on a huge pile in the castle 05:12 "You have blown up a land mine in Fort Ludios." but I didn't personally blow up anything! must have been a monster... 05:12 it would be funny to wish for the orb of detection and carry about two heavy crystal balls, but I should probably go for MMoM 05:12 I've had that happen to me, some random monster sets it off 05:13 Right polying is fun 05:13 [US] [D]: sirteapot (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 723 points, 2534 turns, killed by a rothe 05:13 [US] karafruit (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed fixed the magic mirror of merlin", on T:24567 05:13 Annnd I just realized its "gremlins steal your intrinsic" hour so imma go to sleep (didn't get any stolen, I just fought one) 05:15 What’s the mmom wish for? Slotless esp? 05:16 magic resistance 05:16 could've done CoMR 05:16 but wanna be ~fancy~ 05:16 ...yeah I probably should've just done a cloak 05:16 Last time I did that in 3.6 rodney stole it on the first hit hand ToD’d me lol 05:16 I have cursed ESP amulet that I just ID'd incidentally 05:17 also the issue is not having a redundancy in place 05:17 lol. I'm probably gonna use a castle wish for CoMR, but yeah, I probably should've just wished for the cloak now 05:17 for my monk that means TWO QAs! :3 05:17 but I spent this long carefully not generating any other artifacts 05:17 though I didn't want the shirt anyway yet because it'd rip if I got poly'd 05:17 look carrying around two heavy orbs WOULD be funny 05:18 Lol 05:18 I think i bagged the orb in my last valk run lol 05:18 oh ugh, weight is gonna be a problem, I'm barely under the carrying cap, not barely under cap - 120, lol 05:18 hopefully I get a BoH at some point 05:19 guess the shirt will replace the ring of warning tho, that'll be nice 05:20 rings aren't too weighty unless you keep a bunch like me 05:20 I mean, they take up a ring slot, that's the nice part 05:21 a luckstone is a nice 10 aum to be rid of if you get The Shirt 05:21 oh true 05:21 bleh, MMoM is significantly less exciting than PYEC 05:22 Yeah, cant let lawfuls have too much good stuff though 05:22 maybe this is why I don't often play lawful 05:23 (that and wizards can't) 05:23 Lawful wizard would be funny 05:24 [US] mikew999 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1375 05:25 Knight is probably my favorite class so I play a lot of lawful. The ascension is always brutal lol 05:26 Lawfuls do have the Sceptre of Might 05:26 [US] [D]: mikew999 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 645 points, 1503 turns, killed by a manes 05:26 I did consider it but valk restricted in mace afaict 05:27 Sceptre of might is strong if you don’t/can’t run greyswandir. I just wished for it on my lawful priest i’m playing now 05:28 Oh huh, i had no clue valk was restricted in mace. 05:28 but in general it's long been dangerous to rely solely on artifacts to cover MR/reflection specifically so 05:28 yeah 05:29 I did it my nudist run (mostly due to lack of alternative) and also my monk run. But yeah it could v easily go wrong 05:29 -!- crunchbubba has joined #tnnt 05:30 either way, I anticipate finding/wishing a CoMR before rrodney 05:30 [US] Nesta (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:3579 05:30 Yeah… quest artifact theft is brutal. At least rodney can’t steal magicbane. You could rely on that if you wanted 05:30 Hard to get if you’re not neutral though 05:30 tru 05:31 I had it my nudist run but ended up using the staff of aescwhatever as my weapon post-quest 05:31 huh, maybe I should've wished for PYEC and then converted post-quest :thinking: 05:32 Yeah if you're dedicated armorless/weaponless monk it's a lot different 05:33 yeah that's why I risked it, I wanted robe for spellcasting 05:33 I repeat 05:33 TWO QAs!!!!! 05:33 well, that works if you're not playing wishless ;) 05:34 Hmm I should try a perma convert as a knight… The guaranteed neutral altar in their quest could let me convert for eye or pyec 05:34 I don't think you can convert in the quest? but I could be wrong 05:34 I know you can't HoOA, anyway, iirc 05:34 or no 05:34 Oh true. I forgot about that 05:35 I'm probably thinking of something different 05:35 You can’t put a hooa on in the quest but it still nukes your intrinsic protection iirc 05:35 Maybe only on the home level? 05:36 hrm, this incubus the real MVP of this run. gotten like 5 levels off him 05:37 [US] [D]: rvcx (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 1966 points, 3988 turns, killed by a dwarf (and 4 other games not reported) 05:37 [US] kcostell (Bar Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (green slime), on T:17881 05:37 -!- xdminsy has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 05:38 -!- xdminsy has joined #tnnt 05:39 [US] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (disenchanter), on T:3849 05:40 [US] karafruit (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:25283 05:43 ugh, cursed scroll of create monster, as read by Grey-Elf 05:43 [US] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Furey's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:4046 05:44 [US] Nesta (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:5659 05:45 [US] kcostell (Bar Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:18796 05:45 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 19 points, 234 turns, fell into a pit 05:45 [US] [D]: DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 8958 points, 4218 turns, killed by a troll 05:45 [US] kcostell (Bar Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 speed boots", on T:18808 05:46 [US] kcostell (Bar Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased bag of holding", on T:18814 05:49 [US] cathartes (Ran Orc Fem Cha) wished for "marker", on T:31695 05:49 [US] cathartes (Ran Orc Fem Cha) wished for "marker", on T:31698 05:51 [US] [D]: a1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 2683 points, 5812 turns, killed by a rothe, while frozen by a monster's gaze 05:56 [US] karafruit (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:26019 05:56 oh. huh. 05:56 rip Lord Surtur ig 05:56 [US] karafruit (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:26021 06:00 Current Day as of 2023-11-27 06:00 UTC: Games: 88, Asc: 5, Scum: 30. 456450 turns, 10233159 points. 6d 06:08 gametime. (31%Wiz), (66%Hum), (41%Cha), (52%Mal), 3d 17:59 remaining. 06:06 [US] cathartes (Ran Orc Fem Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:33076 06:06 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:07 uh oh, purple L o'clock 06:09 $lastgame sirteapot 06:09 Nesta: [US] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/s/sirteapot/tnnt/dumplog/1701058133.tnnt.html 06:11 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 1232 points, 3737 turns, killed by an Uruk-hai 06:11 aaaaaand a mmf ate most of my inv identifications, great 06:14 [US] kcostell (Bar Hum Mal Cha) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:20130 06:20 -!- mobileuser has joined #tnnt 06:21 ugh idk how to deal with this master lich 06:21 [US] Spider74656 (Sam Hum Fem Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a crossbow on an altar, on T:4014 06:28 -!- a-1 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:30 [EU] mobileuser (Rog Orc Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:34273 06:36 gop! 06:44 [EU] mobileuser (Rog Orc Mal Cha) has entered the Arena, on T:34496 06:46 [US] tinklebear (Sam Hum Fem Law) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a wraith corpse, on T:20986 06:48 [US] arthur (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:35406 06:49 [EU] mobileuser (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed eitwinston the invisible Warrior in a deathmatch, on T:34571 06:50 [US] MoonPig (Tou Hum Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by The Lady, on T:1807 06:53 [US] [D]: a1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 2143 points, 2919 turns, killed by a killer bee 07:05 $time 07:05 anselmus: 2023-11-27 07:05:33 UTC. 2023 Tournament closes in 3d 16:54:27 07:08 -!- unit327 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:09 -!- unit327 has joined #tnnt 07:09 [US] Nesta (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) destroyed sirteapot's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:11963 07:17 [US] [D]: sirteapot (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 2355 points, 2919 turns, killed by a violet fungus 07:18 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 758 points, 2958 turns, killed by an iguana 07:19 [EU] Raisse (Tou Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed +2 grey dragon scale mail", on T:76 07:20 a lamp! and an altar! 07:21 [EU] mobileuser (Rog Orc Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:34793 07:25 [EU] elenmirie (Ran Orc Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:23869 07:32 [AU] unit327 (Ran Orc Fem Cha) killed Scorpius, on T:27229 07:32 [AU] unit327 (Ran Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:27235 07:33 [US] Nesta (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had Werebane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:13172 07:34 [US] anselmus (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:4102 07:35 [EU] Raisse (Tou Hum Fem Neu) had Vorpal Blade bestowed upon her by The Lady, on T:8925 07:36 [EU] mobileuser (Rog Orc Mal Cha) removed spazm's uncursed amulet of reflection from the swap chest, on T:34856 07:38 [US] OpticSugar (Arc Hum Mal Neu) found kitten, on T:1863 07:41 gentlefolk, since reading an unpurchased book in a shop is less expensive than buying it, is it less expensive to just read the Pratchett novel, pay the usage fee, drop it, and then leave it behind? 07:41 For the achievement. 07:42 Or is there any other use for keeping a novel in the game? 07:42 [US] tjw (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:48960 07:42 docpi you get a good feels from it 07:42 and that's one less mimic generated I suppose 07:43 [US] tjw (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:48967 07:44 I had the mimic right next to it. It has been meanwhile persuaded to now represent a pile with a corpse of a mimic, and a food ration. 07:45 there's a tournament achievement for ascending with a Pratchett 07:47 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 5138 points, 11269 turns, killed by a dwarf, while sleeping 07:47 [US] schoen (Bar Hum Fem Neu) made her first artifact wish - "blessed Platinum Yendorian Express Card", on T:81682 07:48 That will be perhaps for next year, Nesta. I am certainly not going to ascend this tournament. 07:48 Good. Thanks. 07:48 [US] tjw (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:49180 07:49 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 127 points, 368 turns, killed by a grid bug 07:51 Reading the novel cost 16zm.Ch12 compared to buying it outright for 20zm.Ch12, so the saved expense was minimal. 07:52 you can also sell it back once you read it, if you by it 07:52 so buying it, reading it, selling it is cheapest 07:54 Ah, of course, karafruit, I had not thought of that, being such an honest soul in real life. 07:54 But yes, in the World Of Nethack [tm] it makes sense. 07:55 Also, dibs on the rights to the title, and the idea, of a WoW clone based on nethack. 07:56 cloning a wand of wishing? isn't that against the rules? :O  (yes I know what you mean, ofc) 07:56 (encounters with foocubi, and nurse dancing, will be pixelated, unlockable for a fee) 07:56 karafruit, "Waste of Wallets" :) 07:57 anyway, I head towards sleep; the advice I leave you with, good docpi, is as follows: "don't get your brain eaten" 07:58 karafruit, I also play Plants vs. Zombies, and I have considerable skill in not getting my brains eaten. At least there.. 07:59 [US] sirteapot (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:2121 07:59 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 8 points, 117 turns, killed by a water moccasin 08:01 hrm. well, gwaa, then. 08:03 [US] OpticSugar (Arc Hum Mal Neu) consumed animal products (fortune cookie) for the first time, on T:3351 08:04 Why is there a spellbook in the food shop in Minetown? 08:04 detect food 08:04 Oh, it is a general store. Never mind. 08:05 Sorry, sorry, I got the layouts confused. 08:07 [AU] unit327 (Ran Orc Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:28473 08:08 This particular gemeral store had all food, water, a mimic, and this spellbook, so I was misled. 08:08 [US] OpticSugar (Arc Hum Mal Neu) tasted meat (kobold lord) for the first time, on T:3666 08:08 Better, though, that being Miss Lead. That would be heavy. 08:08 (Badum-Tss) 08:09 [US] [D]: lambda (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 279 points, 1871 turns, killed by a dwarf 08:10 Why do Archeologists get the meat sinning announcement? Monks are understandable, but Archeologists? 08:12 [US] [D]: ellone (Val Hum Fem Neu), 4213 points, 4059 turns, killed by an orc-captain 08:13 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 65 points, 298 turns, killed by a jackal (and one other game not reported) 08:13 * karafruit laughs belatedly at docpi's joke 08:14 -!- karafruit has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 08:15 "tasted meat for the first time" has nothing to do with sinning, just that they didn't eat meat before turn [somenumber] 08:16 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 41 points, 514 turns, killed by a jackal 08:18 [EU] mobileuser (Rog Orc Mal Cha) made his first wish - "3 blessed +2 silver daggers", on T:35081 08:19 [EU] mobileuser (Rog Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased +2 cloak of protection", on T:35081 08:19 seems to be 3000 but not positive 08:19 3000 is plausible yes 08:21 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 452 points, 806 turns, killed by a jackal 08:22 [US] [D]: sirteapot (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 3357 points, 3742 turns, killed by a white unicorn 08:23 The shrieker did not shriek. 08:25 [US] schoen (Bar Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Juiblex, on T:85340 08:26 [EU] Raisse (Tou Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (mind flayer), on T:1025 08:27 the shrieker had ONE JOB and it couldn't even do that 08:28 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 672 points, 1252 turns, killed by a cave spider 08:30 [US] tinklebear (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:22136 08:31 [US] [D]: lambda (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 491 points, 2241 turns, killed by an arrow 08:33 [US] Nesta (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:16794 08:33 [US] [D]: lambda (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 0 points, 142 turns, killed by a falling rock 08:34 [US] ellone (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed lambda's ghost, the former Rambler, on T:2790 08:35 -!- stenno has joined #tnnt 08:38 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 712 points, 1651 turns, killed by a dwarf 08:40 [EU] docpi (Pri Hum Fem Neu) murdered her faithful housecat, on T:2657 08:40 Yes, my mistake, but I had to survive. 08:41 Also, I am a murderer now. That watchman was angry at me. 08:41 [US] ellone (Val Hum Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping 7 silver arrows on an altar, on T:3383 08:42 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 215 points, 523 turns, killed by a gnome lord 08:43 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 24 points, 324 turns, killed by an electric shock 08:43 lol never had so much fun with a wiz, +11 damage 08:44 -30 alignment, -3 luck. Fun! 08:44 oh sorry 08:45 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 25 points, 243 turns, killed by a goblin 08:45 -!- Nesta has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:46 [US] [D]: sirteapot (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 993 points, 2768 turns, killed by a kitten 08:47 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 50 points, 221 turns, killed by a sewer rat 08:49 -!- a-1 has joined #tnnt 08:51 [US] [D]: OpticSugar (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 2541 points, 4927 turns, killed by an invisible orc shaman 08:52 2 magic lamps at izchak, is this for real 08:52 [US] schoen (Bar Hum Fem Neu) killed Asmodeus, on T:88619 08:53 -!- cathartes has quit [Quit: fly away] 08:57 [US] [D]: lambda (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 620 points, 1702 turns, killed by a gnome 08:58 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 1160 points, 2552 turns, killed by a pony 09:00 Hourly Stats at 2023-11-27 09:00 UTC: Games: 21, Asc: 0, Scum: 2. 29883 turns, 15915 points. (79%Tou), 3d 14:59 remaining. 09:02 hey a cornuthaum's in here 09:02 [US] anselmus (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) removed tjw's uncursed +0 set of silver dragon scales from the swap chest, on T:5498 09:03 thanks tjw 09:04 [US] schoen (Bar Hum Fem Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:89642 09:05 [US] ellone (Val Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:4865 09:05 [US] schoen (Bar Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Geryon, on T:89705 09:12 Now you are telling me, anselmus, after I switched to playing as a priest. 09:14 [AU] unit327 (Ran Orc Fem Cha) destroyed mrflash818's ghost, the former Swashbuckler, on T:28817 09:14 [US] schoen (Bar Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:90757 09:14 [US] schoen (Bar Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:90759 09:15 [US] tinklebear (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:23331 09:17 [US] [D]: lambda (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 251 points, 1573 turns, killed by a contaminated potion 09:19 -!- anselmus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:28 [US] [D]: Spider74656 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 4922 points, 6419 turns, killed by a hill orc, while fainted from lack of food 09:30 [US] ellone (Val Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a silver dragon, on T:6676 09:33 [US] [D]: Shunya (Bar Hum Fem Neu), 39324 points, 13703 turns, petrified by a cockatrice 09:34 [EU] Raisse (Tou Hum Fem Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1048 09:36 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 340 points, 1453 turns, killed by a wand 09:37 -!- Elenmirie_ has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 09:39 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 160 points, 591 turns, killed by a fox 09:42 [US] [D]: ellone (Val Hum Fem Neu), 19924 points, 7746 turns, killed by a leocrotta (and 2 other games not reported) 09:42 [EU] Raisse (Tou Hum Fem Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:710 09:47 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 434 points, 1828 turns, killed by a giant bat 09:48 [EU] xororand (Pri Hum Mal Neu) murdered his faithful little dog, on T:1055 09:49 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 200 points, 514 turns, killed by an exploding rune 09:53 -!- a-1 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:02 [EU] docpi (Pri Hum Fem Neu) rejected atheism by offering water moccasin corpses on an altar of Anshar, on T:5238 10:03 Successuffly converting it to co-alignment! 10:03 [AU] unit327 (Ran Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +3 speed boots", on T:29322 10:07 [EU] Raisse (Cav Dwa Fem Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a mace on an altar, on T:3950 10:10 lol, my dog ate a mimic corpse and mimicked an opulent throne 10:11 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 3050 points, 4396 turns, killed by a straw golem, while reading a book 10:11 I know, cavepeople shouldn't read books, that's deadly 10:14 trees are made for fire not books 10:14 *caveperson thinking* 10:14 if they were made for books why dont they come preprinted!? 10:15 I wanted to see what the book *was* so I could decide whether to sell it or put it in the swap chest 10:17 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 10:21 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 1178 points, 2342 turns, killed by a human zombie, while fainted from lack of food 10:21 [US] [D]: ellone (Val Hum Fem Neu), 848 points, 2063 turns, killed by a bugbear 10:27 [AU] unit327 (Ran Orc Fem Cha) killed the invisible Juiblex, on T:30009 10:32 HA! HAHAHA! 10:33 I was burdened despite carrying a blessed bag of holding, and I dropped it in coombat, but there was also a housecat I wanted to keep from getting killed by my pet dog, so I rushed to the downstairs, and fetched my pet dob with a magic whistle. 10:33 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 1597 points, 2192 turns, killed by a giant spider 10:34 I also had no comestibles at all to tame the cat with, so I left my bag of holding behind. There was a second cat I did not want to see killed, so I ventured further down, eventually to Minetown. 10:36 -!- doctwo has joined #tnnt 10:37 -!- docpi has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by doctwo!~docpi@p200300d4bf1f9d549d2a10f7fedf0aac.dip0.t-ipconnect.de))] 10:37 -!- doctwo is now known as docpi 10:37 Then I decided that I could just as well take a stab at Mines' End, and descended, thinking how I could carry all the loot up without a bag of holding. And then, two tiles next to the stairs there was a second bag of holding waiting for me! 10:42 [AU] unit327 (Ran Orc Fem Cha) bribed Asmodeus with 356 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:30510 10:44 [EU] Raisse (Cav Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Raisse's ghost, the former Wanderer, on T:2428 10:47 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 1866 points, 2627 turns, killed by a soldier ant 10:48 [US] [Q]: ellone (Val Hum Fem Neu), 3410 points, 2041 turns, quit (and 2 other games not reported) 10:54 [EU] [D]: docpi (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 9220 points, 6540 turns, killed by an ettin mummy 10:54 Yes, a foolish death, but it was a good run. I enjoyed it. 10:58 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 575 points, 1932 turns, killed by a rothe 11:14 [EU] [D]: xororand (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 7901 points, 3404 turns, killed by a fire ant, while frozen by a potion 11:15 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 1470 points, 3887 turns, killed by a wand 11:23 -!- jientho has joined #tnnt 11:28 [EU] xororand (Pri Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (disenchanter), on T:2597 11:29 [US] [D]: lambda (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 5323 points, 4895 turns, killed by a gnome (and one other game not reported) 11:30 [US] Corbin (Bar Hum Mal Cha) destroyed wintergalaxy88's ghost, the former Wanderer, on T:8283 11:33 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 1138 points, 1764 turns, killed by a dingo 11:36 [US] [D]: jientho (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 1053 points, 2721 turns, killed by a spotted jelly 11:36 [EU] xororand (Pri Hum Mal Neu) murdered his faithful pony, on T:5013 11:36 [EU] [D]: xororand (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 3830 points, 5013 turns, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted soldier ant 11:37 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 557 points, 1231 turns, killed by a ghoul 11:39 [US] Furey (Mon Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed rustproof +3 gauntlets of power", on T:5771 11:54 [EU] Raisse (Cav Dwa Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3351 11:59 Oh, I think I put the cornuthaum in lol. There was one in a shop on my current priest run 12:00 Current Day as of 2023-11-27 12:00 UTC: Games: 151, Asc: 5, Scum: 43. 594788 turns, 10370554 points. 8d 09:05 gametime. (32%Tou), (71%Hum), (54%Neu), (66%Fem), 3d 11:59 remaining. 12:01 [US] [D]: Qwesti (Val Hum Fem Neu), 685 points, 1891 turns, killed by a gnome lord 12:02 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 1952 points, 5749 turns, killed by a giant spider 12:04 [US] Furey (Mon Hum Mal Cha) destroyed xororand's ghost, the former Adept, on T:7415 12:07 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 1024 points, 1027 turns, poisoned by a rotted dwarf corpse 12:07 argh, accidentally ate a zombie corpse 12:09 [US] Furey (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:7726 12:12 [AU] [D]: Tangles (Val Dwa Fem Law), 78 points, 387 turns, killed by a kobold mummy 12:17 [US] [D]: Qwesti (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 301 points, 915 turns, killed by a giant bat 12:25 [EU] Raisse (Cav Dwa Fem Law) murdered Fikkie, her faithful large dog, on T:2793 12:25 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 2031 points, 2793 turns, killed by a boulder 12:25 in fact the boulder killed both of us 12:31 [AU] [D]: Tangles (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1145 points, 1683 turns, killed by a soldier ant 12:37 [US] Furey (Mon Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:8736 12:37 stupid mimic in sho 12:37 stupid mimic in shop 12:37 [EU] [D]: docpi (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 154 points, 773 turns, killed by a small mimic 12:47 !tell Arseniy malor has linked DoktorL to Arsenicum now on nethackscoreboard 12:47 that doesn't work... 12:48 $tell Arseniy malor has linked DoktorL to Arsenicum now on nethackscoreboard 12:48 No worries, mobileuser, I've got this! 12:48 yay 12:49 [EU] Raisse (Cav Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Raisse's ghost, the former Wanderer, on T:2302 12:53 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 1399 points, 2499 turns, killed by a soldier ant 12:58 -!- Elenmirie_ has joined #tnnt 13:02 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 382 points, 1514 turns, killed by a rabid rat 13:13 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 893 points, 2449 turns, killed by a rothe 13:15 -!- Waffa has joined #tnnt 13:15 [EU] elenmirie (Ran Orc Mal Cha) destroyed hilarita's ghost, the former Woman-at-arms, on T:31521 13:16 $time 13:16 nabru: 2023-11-27 13:16:00 UTC. 2023 Tournament closes in 3d 10:43:59 13:17 [AU] ranchyang96 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:40280 13:18 [AU] ranchyang96 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:40285 13:26 [AU] ranchyang96 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:40305 13:27 [EU] [D]: docpi (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 1070 points, 1402 turns, killed by a bolt of fire 13:27 Gnome with bolt of fire, gentletournamenters, and I also missed a triple bones Minetown. 13:27 classic 13:31 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 13:31 [AU] ranchyang96 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed ring of conflict", on T:40319 13:31 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 13:37 [AU] ranchyang96 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:40367 13:38 [AU] ranchyang96 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:40373 13:40 [EU] elenmirie (Ran Orc Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:32133 13:42 [US] Furey (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Dragonbane bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:11007 13:44 somebody needs to tell Huan Ti's monastic leaders that Huan Ti is actually pretty cool with weapons and it's okay to hit things with them 13:47 [US] jmcunx (Val Dwa Fem Law) found kitten, on T:1326 13:48 body armour is not so bad either 13:48 [US] [D]: lambda (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 104 points, 936 turns, killed by a small mimic 13:52 [US] [D]: lambda (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 82 points, 642 turns, killed by a jackal, while praying 13:55 my monk is still strict on weapons, armor, diet but i am pondering what to compromise to improve survival chances 13:56 [US] [D]: Dhuend (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 87 points, 193 turns, killed by a bear trap 13:56 [EU] mobileuser (Rog Orc Mal Cha) wished for "magic marker", on T:36138 13:58 -!- Bleeko has joined #tnnt 14:00 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #tnnt 14:03 [EU] mobileuser (Rog Orc Mal Cha) genocided class h, on T:36145 14:10 [US] jmcunx (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3100 14:11 [US] jizosaves (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1451 14:11 [US] [D]: jmcunx (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2080 points, 3108 turns, killed by a vampire lord 14:14 us swap chest report. put in: silver spellbook (level 3, maybe level 4). contents: 14:14 GoDex, cloak of protection, cloak of magic resistance, =oInvis, =oPR, boh, boh, boh, boh, magic whistle, magic whistle, figurine of a newt 14:16 can't wait to get that newt figurine 14:17 [US] eitkrog (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:18272 14:18 [US] Furey (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:12636 14:19 [US] [D]: Staengia (Arc Hum Mal Law), 745 points, 1963 turns, killed by a hill orc 14:19 Too much BoH, where all the oilskin sacks at?? 14:20 -!- Staengia has joined #tnnt 14:22 be the change you want to see in the world bleeko :) 14:22 [EU] [D]: xororand (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 66 points, 567 turns, killed by a magic missile 14:23 -!- Nesta has joined #tnnt 14:25 -!- Elenmirie_ has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 14:26 [US] hothraxxa (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:40106 14:30 [EU] [D]: xororand (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 650 points, 1592 turns, killed by a werejackal 14:31 [US] eitwinston (Ran Elf Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:47781 14:31 [US] eitwinston (Ran Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:47783 14:34 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 1437 points, 2426 turns, killed by a black unicorn 14:35 [US] Loggers (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed +2 silver saber", on T:18262 14:35 [EU] mobileuser (Rog Orc Mal Cha) bribed Asmodeus with 56 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:36604 14:38 [US] Loggers (Val Hum Fem Law) genocided black dragon, on T:18363 14:39 "The gelatinous cube coughs!" 14:39 hmm.... 14:39 with what 14:40 [US] [D]: jackofclubs (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 864 points, 3026 turns, killed by a gas spore's explosion 14:40 bug 14:41 [US] eitwinston (Ran Elf Mal Cha) killed Orcus, on T:48637 14:41 [EU] [D]: abacus66 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 4063 points, 5526 turns, killed by a manes 14:41 But I like it! 14:42 Like a canceled dragon! 14:43 floating eyes cough too 14:43 elemental spheres too, probably 14:44 are floating eyes breathless too? 14:44 -!- fakepass has joined #tnnt 14:44 Okay, when do monsters cough in nethack? 14:45 cancelled dragons and monsters caught in poison gas 14:45 * docpi ahs 14:45 Ah. 14:46 [US] jientho (Sam Hum Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3418 14:47 [US] Loggers (Val Hum Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:18963 14:49 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 1115 points, 2178 turns, killed by an Uruk-hai 14:50 [US] [D]: jackofclubs (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 697 points, 1416 turns, killed by an invisible werejackal 14:50 [US] [D]: jientho (Sam Hum Fem Law), 2586 points, 3426 turns, killed by a raven 14:50 [US] hothraxxa (Rog Hum Mal Cha) genocided class L, on T:41170 14:52 -!- nurdglaw has joined #tnnt 14:53 [US] Bean (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed Asmodeus, on T:41583 14:53 -!- terrapin has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:54 -!- terrapin has joined #tnnt 14:55 [US] Loggers (Val Hum Fem Law) removed maneatingcow's uncursed potion of paralysis from the swap chest, on T:19321 15:00 Hourly Stats at 2023-11-27 15:00 UTC: Games: 11, Asc: 0, Scum: 1. 25366 turns, 14303 points. (20%Rog), 3d 08:59 remaining. 15:01 -!- engelson has joined #tnnt 15:02 [US] [D]: jackofclubs (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 454 points, 1434 turns, killed by a small mimic 15:02 [US] [D]: disperse (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 5437 points, 3872 turns, killed by a watch captain 15:03 [US] Bean (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:43198 15:04 [EU] joes (Bar Hum Mal Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Crom, on T:25473 15:05 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 1694 points, 3693 turns, killed by a little dog 15:06 Hmmm should I get the TNNT merch 15:06 [EU] Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu) found kitten, on T:875 15:06 If I'm not wrong this is the first time we have such a thing right 15:07 [US] Loggers (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:20724 15:09 -!- qt has joined #tnnt 15:09 -!- mode/#tnnt [+o qt] by ChanServ 15:10 [US] Loggers (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Geryon, on T:20984 15:11 -!- theRaisse has joined #tnnt 15:11 paradox yeah 15:12 [US] Loggers (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:21180 15:12 [EU] mobileuser (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:36779 15:13 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:13 -!- Waffa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:13 [EU] nurdglaw (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:69656 15:14 [US] Loggers (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:21394 15:14 -!- theRaisse has quit [Client Quit] 15:14 [US] [D]: Staengia (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 7214 points, 5368 turns, killed by a magic missile 15:15 [US] Nesta (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:20174 15:15 -!- raisse has joined #tnnt 15:15 [US] Bean (Rog Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:44860 15:16 [US] Bean (Rog Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:44862 15:16 [EU] Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had Vorpal Blade bestowed upon him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:1898 15:16 [US] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:36921 15:17 [EU] nurdglaw (Val Hum Fem Law) murdered her faithful housecat, on T:69671 15:18 -!- Bleeko has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:19 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 15:19 [US] Bean (Rog Hum Mal Cha) wished for "Blessed agate ring", on T:44922 15:20 [EU] [D]: Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 2462 points, 2020 turns, killed by a giant beetle 15:21 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 15:26 [US] Loggers (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:22617 15:27 [US] [D]: jackofclubs (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 1154 points, 3590 turns, killed by a rothe 15:29 [US] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:37265 15:29 [US] Bean (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed Orcus, on T:46173 15:30 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 15:31 [EU] [D]: xororand (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 345 points, 1089 turns, killed by a giant bat 15:35 [US] [D]: jizosaves (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 2341 points, 3341 turns, killed by a bolt of fire, while fainted from lack of food (and one other game not reported) 15:36 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 386 points, 1236 turns, killed by a djinni, while fainted from lack of food 15:38 [EU] [D]: joes (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 71840 points, 26939 turns, killed by a large mimic 15:38 -!- joes has joined #tnnt 15:38 I picked a good year to start if this is the first year with shirts 15:38 actually killed by wielding Cleaver in a shop 15:38 [US] Furey (Mon Hum Mal Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:15092 15:39 aw crap, devteam scroll got me 15:39 it is actually when known that t shirts tend to bookmark the downfall of tournaments 15:40 [US] [D]: DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 170 points, 422 turns, killed by a small mimic 15:41 [US] maneatingcow (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:87618 15:43 -!- joes has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:43 -!- HalNovek has joined #tnnt 15:44 [US] eitbrad (Bar Orc Fem Cha) wished for "ring of free action", on T:27857 15:44 [US] eitbrad (Bar Orc Fem Cha) wished for "ring of levitation", on T:27859 15:47 [US] hothraxxa (Rog Hum Mal Cha) polymorphed his first item, on T:42313 15:50 [US] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Famine, on T:37635 15:50 [US] [D]: Staengia (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 566 points, 1255 turns, killed by a water moccasin 15:52 [EU] [D]: docpi (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 878 points, 1877 turns, killed by a dwarf zombie, while frozen by a monster's gaze 15:53 That was all right. The game was not going anywhere anyway. 15:56 [US] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3310 15:59 [US] Staengia (Arc Hum Mal Neu) found kitten, on T:2071 16:00 Hourly Stats at 2023-11-27 16:00 UTC: Games: 14, Asc: 0, Scum: 0. 56233 turns, 94969 points. (21%Arc), 3d 07:59 remaining. 16:00 [US] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Pestilence, on T:37753 16:00 [US] eitbrad (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed Thoth Amon, on T:28548 16:00 [US] eitbrad (Bar Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:28549 16:04 -!- BEHiker91W has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:04 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 1480 points, 5931 turns, killed by an ape 16:07 [US] [A]: Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 3009738 points, 37818 turns, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/G/Grouchy/tnnt/dumplog/1700621194.tnnt.html 16:08 [US] tjw (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:50400 16:09 [US] [D]: qt (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 1284 points, 2762 turns, killed by a werewolf 16:09 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 316 points, 1163 turns, killed by a small mimic 16:09 [US] tjw (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:50421 16:12 [US] eitwinston (Ran Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fireproof +2 speed boots", on T:53532 16:13 [US] maneatingcow (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "fixed ring of teleport control", on T:88680 16:14 whoops just realized i forget about tnnt this year. dammit 16:14 [EU] nurdglaw (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:70865 16:15 still a few days left 16:16 oh you probably cannot sign up anymore 16:16 yeah, think it used to be 10 days in the past. nuts 16:16 [US] jackofclubs (Rog Orc Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3230 16:16 [US] [D]: jackofclubs (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 1044 points, 3233 turns, killed by a large mimic 16:18 [EU] [D]: Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 2727 points, 3010 turns, killed by a wolf, while praying 16:18 $lastgame gandelf 16:18 qt: [EU] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/G/Gandelf/tnnt/dumplog/1701099528.tnnt.html 16:18 I thought it was only clan registration that ended 16:18 maybe I'm wrong through 16:20 [US] qt (Sam Hum Mal Law) destroyed Gandelf's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:1517 16:22 -!- engelson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:23 There is nothing preventing you from playing TNNT at any point in November, you just can't join or register clans. 16:26 [US] [D]: jizosaves (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 70 points, 296 turns, killed by a falling rock 16:27 glad to see you, billdacat, missed seeing your epic game for 2023 16:28 [US] Nesta (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:26447 16:30 I forgot about TNNT in 2021, joined on the last day and ascended 16:30 [US] [D]: jackofclubs (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 1362 points, 2538 turns, killed by a rothe 16:31 so get in there Bill, there's no excuse! 16:33 ack! thppbbthpt! 16:33 might or might not have time to produce a game like this though: https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/B/BilldaCat/tnnt/dumplog/1605157114.tnnt.html 16:33 $time 16:33 K2: 2023-11-27 16:33:25 UTC. 2023 Tournament closes in 3d 07:26:34 16:33 [US] [D]: allanb (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 115 points, 324 turns, killed by a gas cloud 16:33 -!- Umbire has joined #tnnt 16:35 [US] spazm (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:5186 16:39 [US] [D]: jientho (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 628 points, 2372 turns, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted dwarf 16:42 wtf there was an invisible shopkeeper on this bones level 16:42 why was he invisible 16:43 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 3264 points, 4009 turns, killed by a pyrolisk 16:43 [US] allanb (Mon Hum Mal Neu) found kitten, on T:1523 16:44 qt: if you have see invisible and the shopkeeper has a potion, they'll drink it, and if you then die on that level and leave bones the shopkeeper is still invisible 16:44 maybe previous hero zapped the shopkeeper with a "vanish" wand hoping to teleport the shopkeeper? 16:44 oh that's another possiblility yes 16:44 oh yeah raisse that makes sense 16:45 yeah either one is possible but the see invis thing seems likely because the guy who died had see invis 16:46 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 47 points, 177 turns, killed by a water elemental 16:47 [US] gronk (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Orcrist bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:4026 16:48 [US] disperse (Bar Orc Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 15 darts on an altar, on T:3015 16:48 [US] [D]: Staengia (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 9175 points, 8927 turns, killed by a barrow wight (and one other game not reported) 16:50 [US] [D]: rvcx (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 206 points, 1139 turns, killed by a large kobold, while sleeping (and 17 other games not reported) 16:51 -!- Elenmirie_ has joined #tnnt 16:56 gwaa 16:56 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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(29%Cav), 3d 06:59 remaining. 17:00 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:00 gnome with an aklys? 17:00 haha 17:00 [US] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:4628 17:01 gwaa is just the sound of a karafruit 17:03 [US] maneatingcow (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:92732 17:05 [US] disperse (Bar Orc Fem Cha) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:4865 17:05 Hm, shop bones just below ye old rogue level 17:06 -!- engelson has joined #tnnt 17:06 [US] eitwinston (Ran Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:54398 17:06 [US] Nesta (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had Orcrist bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:27518 17:06 [US] Umbire (Tou Hum Fem Neu) destroyed joes' ghost, the former Brigand, on T:19746 17:07 MBane and Cleaver on this guy 17:08 [US] eitwinston (Ran Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:54416 17:08 lot of wands cheap too, minus cancellation 17:09 spare reflection amulet.. 17:09 [US] eitwinston (Ran Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:54480 17:09 Even some grease 17:10 [US] Staengia (Arc Hum Mal Neu) had Vorpal Blade bestowed upon him by Camaxtli, on T:1690 17:11 -!- dbanethacker has joined #tnnt 17:11 [US] Bean (Rog Hum Mal Cha) just blew up his bag of holding, on T:48117 17:12 [US] eitwinston (Ran Elf Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:54575 17:12 [US] Staengia (Arc Hum Mal Neu) had Fire Brand bestowed upon him by Camaxtli, on T:2261 17:12 Main "problem" at this point is fishing out Cleaver 17:14 [US] eitwinston (Ran Elf Mal Cha) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:54665 17:14 [EU] Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu) averted death (killed by a dwarf), on T:2241 17:14 [US] eitwinston (Ran Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:54669 17:14 -!- crunchbubba has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:17 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:17 -!- Arseniy has joined #tnnt 17:19 Whose bones file is it? 17:19 Scroll up 17:19 [EU] finitelycraig (Pri Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed figurine of an archon", on T:79003 17:19 [US] Nesta (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) removed Loggers' uncursed +0 silver dragon scale mail from the swap chest, on T:28175 17:20 ...and another on the next floor 17:20 or just as likely weird statue placement 17:20 yeah, just funny statue greeting me as I came down 17:21 [EU] [D]: abacus66 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 596 points, 794 turns, killed by a dingo (and one other game not reported) 17:23 [US] disperse (Bar Orc Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:7513 17:23 [US] eitbrad (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:29907 17:24 [US] eitbrad (Bar Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:29911 17:24 At least I got rid of the mineflayer 17:24 [EU] HalNovek (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (mind flayer), on T:16882 17:25 Ah, probably hit the shopkeeper with cleaver on accident. Oof 17:25 [US] [D]: Staengia (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 3457 points, 5082 turns, killed by a soldier ant 17:25 [US] eitbrad (Bar Orc Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:29942 17:25 Yeah and the mimic finished 'em 17:25 [EU] finitelycraig (Pri Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed figurine of an archon", on T:79009 17:26 The variant cleaver's arc attack originally came from had it not attack peacefuls. Vanilla changed that when it was added. 17:26 ok 17:26 in any case uncursing the stuff is trivial, I wanna ID it first though 17:27 not getting much luck on thrones in that regard 17:29 [US] gronk (Mon Hum Mal Cha) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a chameleon corpse, on T:6730 17:30 -!- karafruit has joined #tnnt 17:30 [US] gronk (Mon Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a xorn, on T:6734 17:30 I’ve killed a shopkeeper with like -2 ac and a +2 cleaver before. Might have been possible if he wasn’t being held by the mimic 17:31 shit, overshot my level by 15, meant to wield ogresmasher first 17:31 ah well 17:32 [US] N47H4k3R (Ran Elf Mal Cha) found kitten, on T:8517 17:32 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 17:32 ugh that's right, the master lich/mmf combo left me with a bunch of cursed, un-id'd stuff 17:32 hecking purple Ls 17:32 [US] maneatingcow (Val Hum Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:95837 17:33 [EU] finitelycraig (Pri Hum Mal Law) wished for "3 cursed scrolls of genocide", on T:79074 17:33 [US] maneatingcow (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:95839 17:33 [US] [D]: DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 18164 points, 7441 turns, killed by a fire elemental 17:33 [US] gronk (Mon Hum Mal Cha) destroyed qt's ghost, the former Cutpurse, on T:7061 17:33 hey Furey, how go the lesser trophies? 17:34 [US] [D]: rvcx (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 1347 points, 2507 turns, killed by a crossbow bolt (and 32 other games not reported) 17:34 Did you avoid the mmf brain suck at least? 17:34 Trophy for a DL21 shop 17:34 sure didn't, that's why my stuff is un-id'd 17:34 Ouch 17:35 Missed the un-id after cursed 17:35 I've got a few scrolls of identify that hopefully can rectify that once I figure out which they are and bless them 17:35 we got lesser healer, and i'm working on lesser monk right now 17:35 [EU] finitelycraig (Pri Hum Mal Law) entered the Planes, on T:79082 17:35 nice, Furey! 17:35 [US] eitbrad (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:30187 17:35 ooh ouch, I've forgotten what ?oGenocide was, and I don't have one to re-id 17:36 [US] eitbrad (Bar Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:30189 17:36 Ls must go 17:36 [EU] finitelycraig (Pri Hum Mal Law) murdered his faithful Archon, on T:79089 17:36 [EU] finitelycraig (Pri Hum Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (10 times), on T:79089 17:36 [US] eitwinston (Ran Elf Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:56009 17:36 Could you search ttyrecs for the identity? 17:36 oh I could, was just gonna go to a shop to price-id tho 17:36 oh, you mean geno 17:36 ...probably 17:36 or my twitch vod 17:37 surprised GIF has only 5 of the 10 great role trophies, you guys coordinate impressively well on combo coverage 17:37 [US] [D]: SkydiveMike (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 851 points, 2277 turns, killed by a wererat 17:38 still 3+ days to play, though 17:38 oh good point, I probably can't manage great wizard myself, but we're only one wizard away from having it as a clan 17:38 [US] [D]: N47H4k3R (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 3458 points, 8903 turns, killed by Mr. Akalapi; the shopkeeper 17:38 looks like we're two away from arc and cave tho 17:39 oh and one from barb 17:39 * karafruit is glad she made the spreadsheet of roles 17:40 the clan page and the player pages should show progress for these, especially for lessers. point of lessers is to give junior players something to play for. hard to play for a trophy with no visible progress indicator. 17:40 -!- Bleeko has joined #tnnt 17:40 yeah I 100% agree 17:40 [US] OmegaDino (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:2127 17:40 [EU] elenmirie (Ran Orc Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:33318 17:41 [US] N47H4k3R (Ran Elf Mal Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:3 17:42 hm, looks like it was likely READ ME, at one point I had a 300 called READ ME. so probably that. 17:44 long wooooooorm 17:44 [EU] mobileuser (Rog Orc Mal Cha) bribed Baalzebub with 98 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:37062 17:45 [US] spazm (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:10522 17:48 [US] [D]: OmegaDino (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1853 points, 2853 turns, killed by a watch captain 17:50 -!- ais523 has joined #tnnt 17:51 [US] [D]: N47H4k3R (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 296 points, 1853 turns, killed by a water demon 17:51 [US] N47H4k3R (Ran Elf Mal Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1 17:52 [US] gronk (Mon Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:8416 17:54 [US] eitwinston (Ran Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed partly eaten cockatrice corpse", on T:56313 17:54 [EU] finitelycraig (Pri Hum Mal Law) killed Famine, on T:79549 17:55 [US] eitwinston (Ran Elf Mal Cha) killed the invisible Death, on T:56325 17:58 [US] eitwinston (Ran Elf Mal Cha) killed Famine, on T:56388 17:59 -!- spontiff has joined #tnnt 17:59 [EU] finitelycraig (Pri Hum Mal Law) killed Pestilence, on T:79672 17:59 [US] Grouchy (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:8004 17:59 [EU] Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3375 17:59 [EU] finitelycraig (Pri Hum Mal Law) murdered his faithful purple worm, on T:79694 18:00 Current Day as of 2023-11-27 18:00 UTC: Games: 268, Asc: 6, Scum: 99. 806793 turns, 13552756 points. 10d 22:44 gametime. (22%Tou), (64%Hum), (50%Neu), (60%Fem), 3d 05:59 remaining. 18:01 [US] maneatingcow (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:97807 18:02 [EU] finitelycraig (Pri Hum Mal Law) killed Death, on T:79745 18:02 Who will ascend first 18:03 [US] maneatingcow (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:97836 18:03 Wow lotta people entering endgame right now 18:04 how can you determine your char's gender? 18:05 ^X 18:05 Ctrl-X might tell you? 18:05 [EU] [D]: Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 4675 points, 3876 turns, killed by a soldier ant, while praying 18:05 yeah, it will 18:05 [US] [D]: N47H4k3R (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 399 points, 1906 turns, killed by a dwarf 18:05 i see ty 18:05 it's not telling me rn but I assume that's because I'm a valk 18:06 [US] [A]: eitwinston (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 1983186 points, 56407 turns, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/e/eitwinston/tnnt/dumplog/1700596798.tnnt.html 18:06 yeah must be karafruit 18:06 [US] maneatingcow (Val Hum Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:98094 18:06 gg 18:06 which makes me wonder what it'd say if I put on amulet of change 18:06 Grats eitwinston 18:07 I'm sure it would add "male" at that point 18:07 congrats eitwinston even though you aren't here to read this I think 18:07 [EU] [A]: finitelycraig (Pri Hum Mal Law), 3605838 points, 79774 turns, ascended 18:07 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/f/finitelycraig/tnnt/dumplog/1699905345.tnnt.html 18:07 same to finitelycraig 18:07 gg eitwinston and finitelycraig! 18:08 wow Nesta why is your map black 18:08 I just spectated you and the map is black instead of gray 18:08 Gratz finitelycraig 18:08 Is that how the rogue level always looks in curses? 18:08 God DANG hidden monsters making me break rules in soko 18:09 This is the second time I zapped an un id'd wand to kill it and it turns out to be teleportation 18:09 I love when soko spawns a monster between the boulder and the hole after you’ve pushed it into the one way 18:09 Yea that's real too >:( 18:09 [US] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Law) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:8493 18:10 -!- raisse has joined #tnnt 18:10 that was weird that Nesta's rogue level map was black 18:10 does teleporting boulders break Sokoban rules nowadays? 18:10 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 849 points, 1554 turns, killed by a killer bee 18:10 it used not to, but might have changed 18:11 Pretty sure it dous 18:11 when I play 3.7 locally in curses mode, it doesn't look black 18:11 Well we'll se if I get the achievement 18:11 If I don't die 18:11 Teleporting them doesn’t 18:12 wow yeah I guess not 18:12 :0 18:12 even in 3.7 i'm not seeing a sokoban penalty 18:12 Hope I don't die then 18:12 [EU] spontiff (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:24502 18:12 [EU] spontiff (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:24504 18:12 Teleporting boulders isn't guaranteed to place them in a square where they're movable. 18:13 [US] Grouchy (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Werebane bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:9745 18:13 The funniest one is that dropping a boulder as a giant doesn’t give you a penalty 18:13 that doesn't seem like a good reason to not cause sokoban guilt. breaking a boulder could prevent you from finishing the puzzle at all but causes guilt 18:14 SCREW pyrolisks 18:15 pyrolisks suck 18:15 woooo I'm finally unencumbered after obtaining the orb of fate! 18:15 Agreed 18:15 At least they’re harmless if you’re blind 18:17 Sucks they burn stuff through fire resistance and reflection 18:17 Yea 18:17 Dev team scrools :( 18:17 Oof 18:17 I try bot to carry them around once i find them unless i have a bag 18:17 [US] eitbrad (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:31430 18:17 dnethack makes their gaze work even when you're blind 18:17 Not* 18:17 [US] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:9581 18:17 YESSS I GOT THE ACHIEVENMN 18:18 yeah I try to always keep my scrolls and potions bagged, sucks when you don't have a bag tho 18:18 especially if you find an early scroll shop with lots of EA and EW 18:18 fwiw, I think "always keep your scrolls and potions bagged" is a) correct play currently but b) a balance issue 18:18 it makes the scrolls and potions less useful as escape items because it takes a turn to unbag them 18:19 [US] nirol0 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:14455 18:19 incidentally, except on no-teleport levels and before I find a /oTele, I now carry around one u?oT outside the main inventory for use as an escape item 18:19 they're pretty common so it isn't a great loss if it gets burned by something, and can save you in emergencies 18:19 I mean yea i try to use a container but like Boxes be heavy man 18:19 I usually carry 1 ?oTele as well 18:19 ais523: 3.7 cuases extrinsic resistance to protect items in inventory so you can keep them in inventory 18:19 Until i find a wand 18:19 Oooo good ida 18:19 and let's not forget about 3.7, wands and shocking spheres 18:19 Arseniy: Message from mobileuser at 2023-11-27 12:48 UTC: malor has linked DoktorL to Arsenicum now on nethackscoreboard 18:19 if you have extrinsic resistance from an item 18:20 qt: if you have extrinsic fire and cold res, which isn't common 18:20 [US] Leggman (Bar Hum Mal Neu) killed Croesus, on T:21868 18:20 Praise 3.7 \o/ 18:20 Arseniy: just use shock res rather than reflection in your asc kit 18:20 Oh, so the fire res on mitre of holiness will finally have a ise 18:20 [US] maneatingcow (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:98651 18:20 [US] Loggers (Val Hum Fem Law) destroyed the invisible Vlad the Impaler, on T:23293 18:20 [US] Loggers (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:23294 18:21 [US] maneatingcow (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:98664 18:21 the only things you fear even in 3.4/3.6 when going reflectionless are lightning attacks and black dragon breath (the latter only if you don't have disint res) 18:21 well, it's not common currently because there's no reason for it. but in 3.7 you may choose to use an extra slot for it specifically because of that advantage 18:21 [US] eitbrad (Bar Orc Fem Cha) wished for "3 scrolls of gold detection", on T:31717 18:21 [US] nirol0 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:14544 18:21 [US] nirol0 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) genocided class ;, on T:14544 18:21 I think that was the reasoning behind the change, and afaik people have been doing that to some extent 18:21 [US] eitbrad (Bar Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:31720 18:21 two of my ascensions this TNNT, including the second game of the streak, I played using "part-time reflection" – wearing it for travel but swapping it out for combat if necessary 18:22 does black dragon breath still disintegrate armor if you have disintegration resistance? 18:22 but there are less ways to get external shock resistance than reflection 18:22 genocide shocking spheres 18:22 No 18:22 karafruit: no 18:22 oh thank g oodness 18:22 maybe it should tbh 18:22 Arseniy: yes but the extrinsic shock res sources are better than the extrinsic reflection sources 18:22 [US] Grouchy (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:10715 18:22 blue DSM has much better side effects than silver DSM, and a ring of shock res takes up a less valuable slot than an amulet of reflection 18:23 Extrinsic resistances aren't a 100% chance of inventory protection. Reflection is. 18:24 that too, the 99% is good enough against shocking spheres for the most part 18:24 Noisytoot: no, they are 100% 18:24 and reflection isn't because there are lots of nonreflectable attacks nowadays 18:24 well it's a 99% chance in 3.7 18:24 oh, 99% 18:24 that's basically 100% 18:24 yeah 18:24 but ranged linghtning is way more frequent 18:24 [US] spazm (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) destroyed Raisse's ghost, the former Aborigine, on T:13009 18:24 I was happy relying on the 97% of MC3 in 3.4.3 18:24 If you play enough games and get hit by those attacks enough you will eventually hit the 1% chance 18:24 Arseniy: it actually isn't that frequent – I play reflectionless quite often and have got something of a feeling for it 18:25 shocking spheres don't destroy wands/rings in 3.4.3/3.6 if you have shock res 18:25 Noisytoot: and then you lose some wands and rings, which isn't a huge deal if you mostly keep them bagged 18:25 irresponsible reckless behavior 18:25 you can keep wands bags, but not rings if you're wearing them 18:25 leather gloves protect your rings 18:25 s/wands/wands in/ 18:25 in 3.7 18:25 worn rings 18:25 qt: huh, that makes them top-tier glove slot items in that case 18:26 they were already a serious consideration for gloves in the asc kit 18:26 what about gauntlets of dexterity? 18:26 because none of the existing gloves do much relevant 18:26 it's actually any non-metallic gloves (so anything other than gauntlets of power) 18:26 sigh, I love reexploring levels. 18:26 [US] eitbrad (Bar Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed wand of death", on T:31940 18:27 Removal of level and item amnesia is the best idea they’ve had since giving cleaver a cleave attack. 18:27 [US] eitbrad (Bar Orc Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:31943 18:27 [US] Grouchy (Val Dwa Fem Law) removed elenmirie's uncursed greased +0 gray dragon scale mail from the swap chest, on T:11036 18:27 Lets go eitbrad 18:27 Giving cleaver an arc attack was a good idea. Making it attack peacefuls was not. 18:27 Wait no i forgot I'm already gonna fail the dev quest cus I blowked a scroll :( :( :( :( 18:28 what does amnesia do then in 3.7? 18:28 [US] [D]: bleeko (Ran Hum Mal Cha), 2110 points, 1818 turns, killed by a gold golem 18:28 Forget spells i think 18:28 skills maybe too, from the scroll 18:28 Drains skills and spells, so it's not a UI screw. 18:28 mind flayer attacks just reduce your int 18:28 Yeah 18:28 the scroll causes you to forget spells and skills 18:28 interesting 18:28 or something like that 18:28 what if you have sustain ability? 18:28 -!- nurdglaw has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 18:28 [US] spazm (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:13208 18:28 Demo: i guess mind flayers do nothing in that case 18:28 hmm 18:28 I think you still take the amnesia hits 18:29 Not in 3.7. 18:29 no i'm pretty certain you don't Umbire 18:29 Do you not? 18:29 Fascinating 18:29 same with a dunce cap 18:29 [US] oh6 (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed Orcus, on T:54774 18:29 they've gone from a serious iconic threat to a monster that isn't really a big deal 18:29 which makes it a possible ascencion kit item 18:30 Not really. 18:30 Dunce cap ascension kit time 18:30 [EU] [D]: spontiff (Val Dwa Fem Law), 108330 points, 25766 turns, petrified by a chickatrice 18:30 Unfortunately mmfs do still do the thing in tnnt 18:30 Sustain ability is better 18:30 Mfs 18:30 Whatever 18:30 well, you wouldn't wish for one 18:30 that's what I don't really like about that change, I wish they were still a monster that makes you pause and really strategize carefully when you see one coming towards you 18:30 but if you find one, may as well wear it 18:30 in 3.6 if you see one you really stop to consider your options 18:30 Sustain ability also good in 3.7 because unihorns are being nerfed 18:31 I didn't and paid for it 18:31 Not if you want to cast spells. 18:31 wait... guardian nagas don't have a paralysis attack, right? 18:31 [US] Leggman (Bar Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed +3 greased fireproof cloak of magic resistance", on T:22562 18:31 I think they do? Don't they hug you 18:31 Noisytoot: sustain ability isn't good if you want to cast spells? 18:31 qt: dunce caps 18:31 oh 18:31 yeah but how many roles cast any spells in later game? between one and two? 18:32 [US] spazm (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) removed mobileuser's uncursed +0 pair of gauntlets of dexterity from the swap chest, on T:13226 18:32 I (almost) always cast some spells, regardless of role. 18:32 Arseniy: I like to cast spells with a lot of roles but usually not in combat I guess 18:32 oh I was looking at the hatchling in the wiki, never mind 18:32 got confused because I saw a "you momentarily stiffen" message I was not expecting 18:32 Not every caster uses int and you can guarantee reading by blessing spellbooks, so like on priest/knight/monk you could 100% use a dunce cap and still cast 18:32 With a dunce cap you need to uncurse it to remove it, so it costs a holy water/remove curse scroll every time you want to cast a spell. 18:33 dunce caps also set wis to 6 18:33 Oh 18:33 just use remove curse spell to take it off so you have enough int/wis to cast the remove curse spell 18:33 -!- Elenmirie_ has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 18:33 duh 18:33 so only practical if you can cast remove curse at int:6 and don't cast spells in combat 18:34 in 3.6 if you see one you really stop to consider your options ← generally I just do a combat genocide if I have one 18:34 which maybe isn't that interesting 18:34 I hate amnesia too much to ever not genocide mind flayers the first chance I get. 18:34 I think the 3.7 version may actually get more kills in practice because it's easy to underestimate 18:35 [US] eitbrad (Bar Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed cockatrice corpse", on T:32116 18:35 oh geez, thanks for the four fire ants and two black puddings, magic trap 18:35 being used to 3.7, I was using a =oSA against mind flayers in one of my early TNNT ascensions, which only sort of worked 18:35 ais523: yeah, that's true and a good point. but if you're doing a genocideless game (or just don't have geno) you really have to stop and think about how to handle them whenever you see one 18:36 [EU] HalNovek (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) removed DekaFumoPuzzle's 2 blessed scrolls of charging from the swap chest, on T:18199 18:36 qt: fwiw I fear the theoretically best strategy is "write down your entire discoveries list, deal with them normally, then rename all the items" 18:36 Oh hey, my scrolls 18:36 my thing isn't really that I want them to kill you, but that I want to encourage players to strategize and think carefully and use interesting combinations of items, etc -- so players underestimating them and being killed doesn't really please me much 18:36 thanks for the charging Deka! :) 18:36 You’re welcome 18:36 I just have an empty marker 18:36 [US] eitbrad (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed Pestilence, on T:32130 18:36 I just find that process really fun and I enjoy it when I have to do it 18:36 I got one summoned by a master lich right next to me this game and didn't think to teleport away 18:37 tq 18:37 3.6 amnesia is not dangerous, just incredibly annoying. Writing down and re-naming your entire discoveries list is not fun. 18:37 * qt: I have had several early flayer encounters, they are interesting if you encounter them at sufficient range 18:37 I polypiled a stack of 8 charging scrolls that run and donated the spares. 18:37 but not if you end up next to them 18:37 yeah ais523 I think that's the best argument for removing it, I'm not really arguing to bring it back, but it makes me sad they've gone from something I really had fun encountering to something I basically just fight like any other monster 18:37 Nor is screenshotting every level and looking at the screenshots because you forgot the level in-game. 18:38 geez, another treasure zoo? that's my third (not counting sokoban) 18:38 [EU] mobileuser (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed Orcus, on T:37826 18:38 Noisytoot: in AceHack, I made amnesia remove formal IDs, but informally name every forgotten item class with what you previously identified it as 18:38 so if you got flayed, e.g. "a potion of healing" would become "a golden potion named potion of healing" 18:38 OH. WAND OF WISHING ALERT. 18:38 but I'm not sure how much that added to the game 18:38 In the zoo? 18:38 A freebie? Noce 18:39 What floor o: 18:39 the stakes have to be high to encourage you to stop and think tactically 18:39 floor 21, not in the zoo, but before I got to the zoo 18:39 actually, no, I got it on floor 20, but the ?oI was on 21 18:39 [US] [D]: SkydiveMike (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 195 points, 634 turns, killed by a goblin 18:39 [US] Roke (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed the Master Assassin, on T:29679 18:39 [US] Roke (Rog Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:29681 18:39 I picked it up and was like "heh, be cool if this was wishing" but didn't expect it to actually be 18:40 awesome karafruit 18:40 Always a good find. How many charges? 18:40 especially after having forgotten a lot of wand ids from the mmf 18:40 [US] eitbrad (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed Famine, on T:32191 18:40 I play a special conduct where when I take inventory damaging shock damage, I shock myself in real life. it makes electric eels a much more thought out encounter 18:40 just 1, but I already have a blessed scroll of charging 18:40 qt: I would argue that this is a symptom of the reverse problem – that the vast majority of monsters with difficulty above about 10 are nonthreatening by the time you reach them 18:40 5 free extra wishes aint bad. 18:40 yeah 18:40 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 18:40 can finally rid myself of Ls 18:41 ais523: yeah, that's a good point 18:41 where do you attach the electrodes? 18:41 [EU] mobileuser (Rog Orc Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:37885 18:41 [EU] mobileuser (Rog Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:37889 18:41 that's why I really like evilhack early/early-mid game is that you have to think carefully about approaching every single monster. and then it sort of has the same problem once you get into late game 18:41 [US] karafruit (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "marker named Lichbane", on T:29523 18:42 this is partly a problem of the exp curve 18:42 [US] eitbrad (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed the invisible Death, on T:32228 18:42 except for the boss monsters which I don't like because there's very little opportunity for being creative in approaching them, you just have to hit them until they're dead 18:42 for the most part anyway 18:42 monsters grow based on the average of your dl and xl, but becaues the exp curve gives little opportunity for levelling up, the rate at which the monsters get more difficult suddenly halves at around xlvl 10 18:43 OH COME ON 18:43 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 18:43 "You fail to write that.  You write "?EAD ML" and the scroll disappears." 18:43 ais523: but even at level 30 you can wade through the monsters the game throws at you for the most part 18:43 you don't do epic boss cheeses? 18:43 and this in turn is a vicious cycle that makes it hard to level up, because the monsters not being dangerous means the monsters don't give high exp yields 18:44 qt: that might be an interesting experiment: play in wizmode, play normally up until Sokoban and Mine's End are done, then #levelchange 30 and see what happens 18:44 so amnesa is like as if never seen the scroll before 18:44 my guess is that the game becomes substantially harder, but not by enough to make it actually difficult 18:44 [US] karafruit (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "3 blessed scrolls of genocide", on T:29529 18:44 (1) a game where the hero kills 4000 monsters. (2) a game where each monster encounter is risky. (3) a game where good players win more than 1% of the time. 18:44 Pick 2. 18:45 [US] karafruit (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided class L, on T:29530 18:45 [US] karafruit (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided class m, on T:29531 18:46 Imo Nethack is cool because it’s not really about combat. I’ve tried a handful of roguelikes that are all about properly curving monster difficulty to your level/depth and I haven’t enjoyed any of them like I have nethack 18:46 [US] [A]: eitbrad (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 2014280 points, 32251 turns, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/e/eitbrad/tnnt/dumplog/1700938154.tnnt.html 18:47 Gg eitbrad. Gratz 18:47 yeah I agree courdleon but I think to encourage you to use items in interesting ways, avoid monsters, etc there needs to be some level of danger. in early game you have to use wands of teleport, scrolls, etc in interesting ways because the monsters are a threat. by the time I'm in gehennom i never use any escape items etc because it's easier to just whack each monster 2x with my sword and kill it 18:47 I really like the aspect of nethack where you can be creative with items and do cool things to get out of danger or avoid combat (or win combat in a clever or interesting way) 18:48 [US] karafruit (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "marker named Mimicbane", on T:29532 18:49 I think the optimum for NetHack would be if late-game combat encounters would block progress if you were unprepared but give you an opportunity to run away 18:49 so that you could adjust your plans/inventory and try again 18:49 Furey: it doesn't have to be literally "each monster encounter is risky" (though I'd like it if there were some standouts like the 3.4.3 mmf) but it'd be nice if cumulatively, all the monsters on the level were dangerous (which is often not really true in the late game unless you're doing some kind of speed run) 18:49 [US] [D]: mindcool (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 6660 points, 3599 turns, petrified by tasting chickatrice meat 18:49 [US] karafruit (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "marker named Flayerbane", on T:29533 18:50 <@qt> except for the boss monsters (evilhack) which I don't like because there's very little opportunity for being creative in approaching them, you just have to hit them until they're dead <--- that's not true 18:50 wow, low rolls on marker charges today 18:50 [US] oh6 (Pri Elf Mal Cha) destroyed the invisible Vlad the Impaler, on T:56278 18:50 there are several boss monsters in evilhack where you absolutely need to get creative 18:50 [US] oh6 (Pri Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:56283 18:50 [EU] Raisse (Cav Dwa Fem Law) removed elenmirie's uncursed +0 set of gray dragon scales from the swap chest, on T:2735 18:50 qt: fwiw, having done low-resource runs, I get a feeling for which late-game mosnters are dangerous 18:50 orcus comes to mind 18:50 [US] spazm (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:14045 18:50 graz'zt 18:50 in melee, the main threats are jabberwocks and the HPoM 18:50 tiamat 18:51 the ice queen 18:51 medusa 18:51 and priests can be dangerous when swarming 18:51 etc 18:51 now wondering if poison resistance would have been wiser 18:51 [US] [D]: SkydiveMike (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 276 points, 1260 turns, killed by a dog called TenSoon 18:52 I like the way Pokémon Mystery Dungeon is balanced – every encounter, even the really simple ones, requires using consumables, and the game is mostly about working out which consumable is most efficiently used against which enemy 18:53 in theory, at least, I like the way it's balanced – in practice the game comes down to trying to find cheesy combinations that deal with everything in much the same way 18:54 heeey, level 22 shop 18:54 K2: maybe it's changed, but my impression from the few games where I've gotten that deep is there isn't much room for improvisation or trying something new and learning from being punished, because you get killed so quickly and they have so much HP and are immune to most methods to bypass combat 18:54 [EU] Raisse (Cav Dwa Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:3395 18:55 and I thought most people just hide in a boulder fort and hit them with an aklys repeatedly. (I do like the ice queen, she's an exception to my general impression) 18:55 I liked the ice queen fight a lot 18:55 Wraith food fest ‼️‼️ 18:55 3.7 has marked several monsters as being immune to boulder forts, in order to prevent the same consistent cheese working against everything 18:55 (they destroy the boulders) 18:56 I’m very sad aligned priests are one of them 18:56 I guess evilhack did that too 18:56 in 3.7 also any monster with wand of tele defeats boulder fort 18:57 cheesing bosses is good 18:57 Arseniy: do they zap it at the player or the boulders? 18:57 the player should be rewarded for being clever 18:57 both at once :) 18:57 I agree with Demo 18:57 as long as it doesn't become encouraging tedium 18:57 I also agree cheese is good 18:57 [US] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:15608 18:57 Demo: part of the problem there is that if it's a consistent cheese, the player isn't being clever, they just remembered it / looked it up 18:57 like hiding in a boulder fort and hitting them with an aklys 500 times 18:57 yeah and what ais523 said 18:57 creative cheeses are great 18:57 so there are limitations, but I think it's very good for the player to be able to bypass combat by doing something creative 18:58 ais523, I've not had that experience with PMD, only on particular bosses 18:58 like the "give the minesflayer a bow and some arrows so that they can take you on at range at no risk" 18:58 you need a stack of aklyses to get 500 times though 18:58 Umbire: well I mostly play PMD on the super-hard bonus dungeons 18:58 the main game is easy enough that even regular play is basically a consistent cheese strategy :-) 18:58 at which point it tracks that you live or die on creative item/TM/etc. usage 18:59 there are very consistent and reliable boss cheeses that work the same way on every boss 18:59 I tended to prefer mons with room-wide attacks when doing those 18:59 but it is more fun if you don't use them 18:59 if you assume "everyone must have found this on the wiki" you punish people who haven't used the wiki and are discovering things for themselves. but making it limited to only certain monsters is a good compromise 18:59 [US] Roke (Rog Hum Mal Cha) genocided gremlin, on T:30252 18:59 Cheese is good if it’s not universal. At that point it’s more of an exploit 18:59 [US] [D]: mindcool (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 912 points, 1728 turns, killed by an acid blob 18:59 qt: indeed, assuming that would be a bad idea 19:00 Hourly Stats at 2023-11-27 19:00 UTC: Games: 16, Asc: 3, Scum: 4. 2d 09:01 gametime. (25%Ran), 3d 04:59 remaining. 19:00 [US] Grouchy (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:13580 19:00 there are some things that bother me, like leprechaun halls and treasure zoos and throne rooms, all of which can sometimes be cheesed by stealth 19:00 * karafruit finally two-weapons for the first time all november 19:00 it seems wrong to have the same trinsic deal with all the special room types 19:01 (I *do* like the way it can sometimes go wrong, e.g. a hostile yellow light turns up while you're in the middle of stealthing your way through) 19:01 Special rooms should have guaranteed squeaky boards >=] 19:01 dnh has a really good stealth nerf 19:01 I also like the way stealth isn't really required, you can do them normally without too much issue, it just takes longer 19:01 Demo: what is it? 19:01 I don't know 19:02 that's what makes it a stealth nerf 19:02 I think guys still wake up when you have stealth if you hit a dude, the guys next to it might wake up instead of no guys waking up? 19:02 it's so stealthy it slipped by Demo 19:02 Making what limited to certain monsters? 19:02 Demo that's in xnh too 19:02 last game I was doing zoos, graveyards, etc. with stealth+conflict 19:02 stealth works when you're walking around but not if you attack a monster 19:02 which is a really fun combination 19:02 basically 19:02 although I'm still not quite sure what the implications are 19:03 3.7 makes it so monsters yell when attacked while asleep, which basically scuppers most solely-stealth-based approaches 19:03 not to the point of unusability, mind 19:03 I think they only yell and wake others up if you melee them specifically? 19:03 the boulder breaking bit doesnt work with monsters that are covetous 19:04 you can add them to the list of rock breakers but it doesnt work as they dont move normally, they just tele everywhere 19:05 yeah 19:05 K2 did you ever figure out a solution to that in EvilHack? I can't remember 19:05 no i havent 19:05 what about making covetous boulder-breaking monsters just consider boulder spots valid tele targets, and destroy them when they land on them? 19:05 hmm 19:05 that's a good idea 19:06 telefrag the boulder 19:06 – in that case, maybe players should be able to telefrag boulders too? 19:06 it seems a little crude but I think anything else (making them tele next to a boulder and smash it on the next turn) would be very complicated 19:06 well players can already purposely destroy boulders in various ways. monsters do not 19:07 *cannot 19:07 [US] maneatingcow (Val Hum Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:101343 19:07 K2: I mean just for fun/consistency, not for balance reasons 19:07 ah 19:07 [US] maneatingcow (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:101344 19:07 striking would clearly be a more sensible use of resources 19:07 [US] karafruit (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:30569 19:07 [US] [D]: SkydiveMike (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 306 points, 1400 turns, killed by an acidic corpse 19:07 one thing I added to the rockbreakers array that isnt in 3.7 - if a monster is wielding a pick-axe or mattock, they can break a boulder 19:08 [US] Roke (Rog Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 cloak of protection", on T:30620 19:08 not if you can teleport at will and have stone to flesh so can replenish your hunger by eating the rocks :) 19:08 lol 19:08 heh 19:08 brb 19:08 [US] crunchbubba (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) had Dragonbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:53154 19:08 [US] [D]: SkydiveMike (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 20 points, 104 turns, killed by a goblin 19:08 K2 yeah that's a good idea, I'm surprised it's not in there already if monster boulder-breaking was implemented 19:09 maybe you should PR it 19:10 [US] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Law) removed spazm's uncursed +0 shield of reflection from the swap chest, on T:17299 19:10 [US] Roke (Rog Hum Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:30653 19:11 [EU] Raisse (Cav Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:5952 19:12 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 19:12 [EU] Raisse (Cav Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed tin of green dragon meat", on T:5962 19:12 mmm, szechuan green dragon 19:13 spicy 19:13 O.O 19:13 [US] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Law) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:17883 19:13 I just stepped onto a statue trap of an angel that seems to have spawned a human zombie instead? but then dropped a long sword and shield of reflection 19:13 didn't see any message about a poly trap or anything 19:13 and there's not one where it spawned 19:14 were you hallu 19:14 nope 19:15 could it have been a doppelganger? 19:15 [US] Grouchy (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:14053 19:15 possibly? idk how shapechangers and statue traps interact 19:15 Oh, stone to fleshing Angel statues make human zombies. 19:15 This apparently includes statue trap ones 19:15 huh 19:15 bizarre 19:16 It's a whole special casing thing with stonable minions and such 19:16 -!- HalNovek has quit [Quit: Client closed] 19:16 I learned this while doing up the zombie articles but I didn't consider that statue traps specifically could come up in that 19:17 angels aren't strictly "flesh" of course 19:20 [US] maneatingcow (Val Hum Fem Law) genocided class ;, on T:101701 19:20 [US] Bean (Rog Hum Mal Cha) genocided class R, on T:48708 19:20 [US] Bean (Rog Hum Mal Cha) genocided class ;, on T:48709 19:21 but then neither are black lights 19:21 can you stone to flesh a black light statue? 19:21 dunno, is there special handling for those type of things? 19:22 I think there's a statue of some sort of y in my game, I could go see if it's a statue trap. can't stone-to-flesh tho 19:22 [US] Bean (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:48854 19:22 Speaking of which, Arseniy, there is this achievement when killing a yellow light in melee without exploding it. How feasible is that achievement actually? 19:22 [US] Bean (Rog Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:48860 19:22 I've done it several times 19:22 [EU] HalNovek (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:18815 19:22 me too 19:22 docpi: it's free when you're buff 19:22 you just one-hit them, done 19:23 -!- HalNovek has joined #tnnt 19:23 -!- engelson has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:23 Buff? 19:23 or kill them at range 19:23 tjw, the achievement specifically states melee. 19:23 high damage, invisible, speed 19:24 some good buffs that is 19:24 Ah, Arseniy, I see. Interesting. Thank you. 19:24 I tend to get it in every game 19:24 [US] Staengia (Arc Hum Mal Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon him by Camaxtli, on T:1896 19:25 It's pretty easy beyond a certain point 19:25 [US] Bean (Rog Hum Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:49022 19:25 raisse, it's less about fleshiness in angels' cases and more that angels are designated as monsters only meant to be generated in specific cases 19:25 [US] oh6 (Pri Elf Mal Cha) had Fire Brand bestowed upon him by Set, on T:57990 19:25 because aligned priest statues and corpses produce the same result (human zombie) 19:25 ah, right, there's no such thing as a random angel 19:25 "We will certainly be able to release the next version before long." 19:25 -- this message cracks me up. 19:26 and it would be the same for shopkeepers if they weren't special cased 19:26 one can hope 19:26 ooh chocoban 19:26 Guards also, that's the one I was missing 19:26 [US] Bean (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:49106 19:26 [US] Bean (Rog Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:49110 19:27 [US] Furey (Mon Hum Mal Cha) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:19377 19:27 -!- nurdglaw has joined #tnnt 19:27 random angels are real 19:27 that exist with no emin 19:27 https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/blob/NetHack-3.6.7_Released/src/read.c#L2415 19:28 raisse, ^ 19:28 [US] Roke (Rog Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed stethoscope", on T:31308 19:28 angels should not be gated by this because they can exist with no emin. the other cases make sense to gate 19:29 maneatingcow making pestilence look ez 19:29 the correct behavior for stone to flesh or genesising an angel should be to create one with no emin 19:29 [US] [D]: Staengia (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 1377 points, 2691 turns, killed by a hobgoblin, while sleeping off a magical draught 19:30 -!- dbanethacker has quit [Quit: Client closed] 19:30 [US] kcostell (Bar Hum Mal Cha) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Set, on T:21930 19:30 another big splat 19:31 you jinxed them 19:31 He was well on his way to splat 19:31 [US] [D]: maneatingcow (Val Hum Fem Law), 1961300 points, 101851 turns, poisoned by Pestilence (with the Amulet), while paralyzed by a monster 19:31 F 19:32 $lastgame maneatingcow 19:32 tjw: [US] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/m/maneatingcow/tnnt/dumplog/1700241786.tnnt.html 19:32 [US] kcostell (Bar Hum Mal Cha) had Orcrist bestowed upon him by Set, on T:22740 19:32 I watched that thru the planes, he ran face first into pesty seemingly oblivious to the threat 19:32 after one of the easiest planes runs I've seen 19:33 with better weapons you are more likely to get away with that 19:34 unless you get stunned that is 19:34 [US] kcostell (Bar Hum Mal Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Set, on T:23676 19:34 my valks generally die to overconfidence also 19:34 -!- spontiff has quit [Quit: Client closed] 19:35 lol half the soko zoo is garter snakes hiding under the gold 19:35 couple purple worms in the zoo 19:35 if everything goes well, you waste him in 2 hits, then cure 19:35 imma make me some frens 19:35 raisse, easier zoo for you! 19:36 yes! 19:36 [US] [D]: SkydiveMike (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 399 points, 1973 turns, killed by a fox 19:36 and it's fairly deep so I'm surprised (and relieved) 19:36 My Valk's Pesty encounter was middling, not entirely "in danger of splatting" but it was hardest part of Astral by far 19:36 he was trying to cure with an uncursed unihorn 19:36 a centaur is now killing zombies for me 19:36 I was speechless watching that 19:38 actually, no speed either 19:39 that contributes to having him catch up like that 19:40 also wearing magical breathing, the classic 19:40 [EU] Raisse (Cav Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:9268 19:40 <-- has done all those things 19:40 [US] hothraxxa (Rog Hum Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:43460 19:40 [EU] Raisse (Cav Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed +2 shield of reflection", on T:9284 19:41 [US] Roke (Rog Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed stethoscope", on T:31311 19:42 [US] spazm (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed the invisible Dark One, on T:18507 19:42 [US] spazm (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:18513 19:42 buh, b-b-but you're suppsed to be the almighty DoktorL, surely you'd never have such flaws in your gameplay!!!!!!!!! 19:43 [US] Bean (Rog Hum Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:50928 19:43 [US] Furey (Mon Hum Mal Cha) removed Roke's blessed stethoscope from the swap chest, on T:20005 19:44 My last run I didn’t realize i accidentally dropped my uni horn until I was in the plane of air 19:45 Shit happens, y'know? 19:45 Had to wish for one with my magic lamp. That woulda been a hilariously sad splat had i not gotten it 19:45 Well, i probably could have still made it but it would have been a lot hairier 19:45 cost me half my HP but managed to get two worms with one scroll 19:46 and threw healing at them because I kinda had to dig my way out a few times 19:46 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 19:47 [US] Roke (Rog Hum Mal Cha) made his first artifact wish - "blessed rustproof +2 Magicbane", on T:31312 19:48 -!- mobileuser has joined #tnnt 19:48 Umbire: you think I got good by learning from someone else's mistakes? Ha! 19:48 You learn way more from your own than anyone else's. 19:49 [US] [D]: jmcunx (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 3098 points, 3746 turns, killed by a giant rat 19:49 (And frankly I'm just riffing on how player worship gets sometimes) 19:49 * docpi is very careful about saying nothing. 19:49 -!- HalNovek has quit [Quit: Client closed] 19:49 * Umbire zaps a wand of nothing at docpi 19:49 -!- HalNovek has joined #tnnt 19:49 (Especially about repeating already familiar mistakes.) 19:49 [US] tjw (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:52339 19:50 I don't know if I'll ever learn stuff like "don't try to stare down Medusa" or "put your gloves on BEFORE rubber chickening" or any of the other mistakes I never learn from 19:50 (Like running about the dungeon for stretches of time burdened, or worse.) 19:51 [US] Bean (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed Death, on T:51276 19:51 [US] spazm (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:18975 19:52 [US] Bean (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed Famine, on T:51344 19:53 -!- DekaFumoPuzzle has joined #tnnt 19:54 [US] Bean (Rog Hum Mal Cha) wished for "+89 fixed figurine of a grid bug named gandalf", on T:51375 19:54 [US] [A]: Bean (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 2098672 points, 51376 turns, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/B/Bean/tnnt/dumplog/1700939349.tnnt.html 19:54 Gratz bean. gg 19:55 yay bean! 19:55 Clutch wish at the end there 19:55 and gandalf bug 19:55 -!- DekaFumoPuzzle has quit [Quit: Client closed] 19:56 .oO("Gandalf Bug"??) 19:57 [US] kcostell (Bar Hum Mal Cha) killed Thoth Amon, on T:24803 19:57 there's being burdened and then there's being burdened in a way that you can't end by dropping one item or whatever 19:57 [US] kcostell (Bar Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:24804 19:58 [EU] Evilparsnips (Pri Elf Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:55827 19:58 [EU] Evilparsnips (Pri Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:55837 19:59 gg bean and gandalf bug! 19:59 -!- Elenmirie_ has joined #tnnt 19:59 [US] SkydiveMike (Pri Elf Mal Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:2164 19:59 * karafruit zaps a wand of something at docpi 20:00 [US] SkydiveMike (Pri Elf Mal Cha) murdered Scruffy, his faithful little dog, on T:2217 20:00 I need remember to sac a bunch and do the silly “eat 3 artifacts” achievement 20:01 TNNT achievement unlocked: "Part-time Statue". 20:01 [US] [D]: sirteapot (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1277 points, 1542 turns, killed by a gnomish wizard 20:02 [EU] Raisse (Cav Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed +2 speed boots", on T:12206 20:03 [EU] Raisse (Cav Dwa Fem Law) wished for "magic marker", on T:12359 20:03 so many near death experiences in this game. I've been to 1HP a few times, got flayered to oblivion, almost stoned 20:05 It's 4:20 somewhere 20:08 [US] Roke (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:32722 20:08 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #tnnt 20:08 $who 20:08 Loggers_VIII: [US] rvcx Spider74656 OmegaDino haldisse disperse spazm Bean peterg Grouchy crunchbubba DragonSidedD Furey hothraxxa tjw allanb Nesta Umbire Roke oh6 karafruit sirteapot SkydiveMike | [EU] Evilparsnips Raisse mobileuser lacca nurdglaw | [AU] Grasshopper 20:09 ab 20:09 ab 20:09 ab 20:10 ab 20:10 yz! 20:10 lol 20:11 doin some quick maintenance then it's time to run on down to the sanctum 20:11 [US] [D]: disperse (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 41463 points, 12433 turns, killed by a bolt of lightning 20:13 -!- nurdglaw has quit [Quit: Client closed] 20:13 -!- nurdglaw has joined #tnnt 20:13 lol, the devteam stairs and the quest portal are in the same room 20:14 not that I'm ready for the quest yet 20:15 [US] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:1991 20:15 Um, karafruit? 20:15 yes docpi? 20:15 Some what thing? 20:16 [AU] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had Vorpal Blade bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:47220 20:16 * docpi confused by this "Gandalf Bug" thing. 20:16 well Umbire zapped a wand of nothing at you, I figured I should zap a wand of something at you 20:16 [US] SkydiveMike (Pri Elf Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3933 20:16 Bean ascended with a grid bug named Gandalf 20:16 this is correct 20:16 [US] spazm (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) wished for "magic marker", on T:19966 20:17 this is also correct 20:17 Ah, okay, karafruit, to restore the Balance in the Universe[tm]. Very thoughtful. Thank you. 20:17 [US] Bean (Bar Hum Fem Cha) destroyed bleeko's ghost, the former Trailblazer, on T:3305 20:18 [EU] [D]: lacca (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 17116 points, 11392 turns, killed by a giant beetle 20:18 [US] [D]: SkydiveMike (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 2363 points, 4166 turns, killed by a cave spider, while frozen by a monster's gaze 20:18 [US] Roke (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed Asmodeus, on T:33220 20:20 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 20:21 [US] spazm (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:20015 20:23 -!- fakepass has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:24 Wait, dragonbane gives reflection? Thats so cool 20:25 -!- karafruit74 has joined #tnnt 20:25 [US] Roke (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:33711 20:26 Yeah, that's a 3.6.1 addition 20:26 [US] [D]: sirteapot (Arc Hum Mal Law), 986 points, 1495 turns, killed by an imp 20:26 Before that it was just an unremarkable at best artifact broadsword 20:26 I wanna do a DBane Knight after the tourney 20:27 I always forget they gave a bunch of the absolute trash artifacts niche uses 20:28 Like the one that sets your con to 20 20:28 forgot to buff giantslayer 20:28 -!- karafruit has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:28 magicbane should get extra damage against spellcasters 20:28 arseniy it gives giant strength, doesn't it? 20:28 wait, it does? 20:29 isn't that ogresmasher? 20:29 ogresmasher is 25 con 20:29 oh yes, con 20:29 and regen 20:29 no it doesn't, only in variants 20:29 -!- fakepass has joined #tnnt 20:29 yeah I just checked, giantslayer still sucks :( 20:30 regen is Trollsbane 20:30 Loggers_VIII, it was my first artifact this run and basically just a normal long sword for 99% of it 20:31 [US] Bean (Bar Hum Fem Cha) made her first wish - "+2 Blessed fixed cloak of magic resistance", on T:3775 20:31 which as it turns out can still get you places 20:31 and also only in variants 20:31 -!- martinp has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:31 [US] spazm (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:20231 20:31 Trollsbane gives regen? 20:31 I ascended with a long sword fighter wizard recently.it's fine 20:31 no deka only in variants 20:31 Ah 20:31 -!- HalNovek has quit [Quit: Client closed] 20:31 I thought they brought most of those changes to vanilla, that's lame 20:32 [US] oh6 (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:61380 20:32 -!- HalNovek has joined #tnnt 20:32 Giantslayer should let you dig 20:32 So you can break the boulders 20:33 at least ogresmasher is worth something, though thuth be told it kind of sucks against ogres 20:33 [US] kcostell (Bar Hum Mal Cha) was chosen to steal souls for the Glory of Set, on T:25722 20:33 I just like using ogresmasher to get more HP back after draining to level 1 to get protection 20:33 Yeah warhammers kinda suck 20:34 war hammers sucking is such bs 20:34 nethack developers are biased towards swords :( 20:34 what is war hammer, like 1d4 or something horrible like that? 20:35 1d4 vs large 1d4+1 vs small lol 20:35 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 20:35 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #tnnt 20:35 tragic 20:35 [US] crunchbubba (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:55851 20:35 -!- fakepass_ has joined #tnnt 20:36 -!- fakepass has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:36 [US] [D]: nabru (Sam Hum Fem Law), 1271 points, 1090 turns, killed by a gnome lord, while frozen by a monster's gaze 20:36 ah F, dumb 20:36 [US] Bean (Bar Hum Fem Cha) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Set, on T:4679 20:37 nethacks waepons are all based off like dnd 2e numbers so basically all of them suck 20:38 yeah 20:38 get a sword or get mjollnir basically 20:39 speaking of trollsbane, just found it in the castle lol 20:39 -!- karafruit74 is now known as karafruit 20:39 -!- fakepass__ has joined #tnnt 20:41 [US] spazm (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) removed mrflash818's wand of make invisible (0:7) from the swap chest, on T:20881 20:42 -!- fakepass_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:42 [US] Staengia (Arc Hum Mal Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a triangular amulet on an altar, on T:3831 20:43 [US] spazm (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 39 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:21145 20:43 [US] [D]: OmegaDino (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1520 points, 1616 turns, killed by a giant bat 20:44 [US] spazm (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:21146 20:44 -!- mobileuser has joined #tnnt 20:44 [US] spazm (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) wished for "magic marker", on T:21148 20:44 I was wondering if I’ve ever 2handed and not used a silver saber and TIL every 2weapon role is at least basic in sabers 20:44 two handers kind of suck yeah 20:44 [US] [D]: SkydiveMike (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 685 points, 1044 turns, killed by an invisible dwarf lord 20:45 even roles without 2weapon just use a shield a lot of the time 20:45 they got a small buff in 3.7 but it's not a ton 20:45 [US] spazm (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) genocided class h, on T:21155 20:45 [AU] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) genocided class m, on T:48401 20:45 Two-handers sucking is less about their numbers and more about the conveniences offered by shields + one-handed weapons having fantastic artifacts 20:45 [US] Staengia (Arc Hum Mal Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Camaxtli, on T:4362 20:45 3.7 buff is absolutely welcome that said 20:46 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 20:46 right because using a two hander means not using artifact weapons unless you're healer or maybe samurai 20:46 also @coeurdleon a lot of it is ripped straight from the 1st Edition even 20:46 I’ve ascended with 2h weapons before (bard cleaver the whole run) but i think the only weapon i’ve ever offhanded is a silver saber 20:46 although tbf the numbers aren't great either lol 20:46 I have the manual PDF and everything 20:46 [US] sirteapot (Kni Hum Mal Law) received Excalibur, on T:3204 20:46 monster manual specifically 20:46 -!- Staengia has quit [Quit: Client closed] 20:47 Oh was it dnd 1e not 2e 20:47 [US] allanb (Mon Hum Mal Neu) removed Grouchy's uncursed amulet of reflection from the swap chest, on T:6191 20:47 I knew it was one of the super old ones 20:48 before offhand weapon skill counted I liked a trident 20:48 tridents are excellent 20:48 Tridents are pretty good weapons imho 20:48 [US] kcostell (Bar Hum Mal Cha) genocided class L, on T:26344 20:48 shame they're so fuckin' rare 20:49 I think they have around or better damage than a long sword 20:49 [US] kcostell (Bar Hum Mal Cha) genocided class h, on T:26346 20:49 lol I tamed a large cat to eat the troll corpses, but it found a poly trap and became a fox 20:49 My +5 Trident was all I used as healer until the staff 20:49 so I pushed it back on the trap and now it's a housecat 20:49 Nah slightly worse 20:49 Damage vs. small 1d6+1 20:49 Damage vs. large 3d4 20:49 [US] tjw (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) has entered the Arena, on T:53483 20:49 that's better 20:49 than long sword 20:49 [US] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law) murdered her faithful shrieker, on T:74125 20:50 [US] [D]: allanb (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 10303 points, 6352 turns, killed by a vampire lord 20:50 not by much though 20:50 [US] karafruit (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "3 blessed fixed +2 silver spears", on T:32379 20:51 slightly worse vs. small, slightly better vs. large 20:51 [US] [D]: sirteapot (Kni Hum Mal Law), 1128 points, 3493 turns, killed by a gecko, while frozen by a monster's gaze 20:51 [US] tjw (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Nesta the Marksman in a deathmatch, on T:53509 20:51 the same vs. small 20:51 or same average with lower spread 20:52 [US] spazm (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:21441 20:53 [US] [D]: Spider74656 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 140 points, 714 turns, killed by a jackal 20:53 I wish other silver weapons were a bit more common 20:53 [US] karafruit (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided master mind flayer, on T:32385 20:53 yeah silver arrows/daggers are way too rare 20:53 I think i’ve seen a silver spear once 20:54 those exist? 20:54 yep 20:54 just wished for a few, in fact :) 20:54 I have played like 2000 hours of this game and did not know that was a thing :P 20:54 Did you get all 3 20:54 -!- crunchbubba has joined #tnnt 20:54 I did get all three, gonna enchant them up and then put one or two in the swap chest 20:55 Ah thats a good idea 20:55 [US] Roke (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed Orcus, on T:35513 20:55 valk can get skilled in spear but only basic in saber so it seemed like a slightly better play than using a saber. though I could've uncursed the one saber I've found ig and saved a wish 20:56 silver spears are wonderful for cavepeople 20:56 and then there's what I would call anselmus' special, bashing shades with the bell 20:56 yeah a caveman would like some spears 20:56 [US] [D]: sirteapot (Val Dwa Fem Law), 236 points, 679 turns, killed by a cadaver 20:56 I think I used a silver spear my priest run? one of my runs, anyway. not sure which. 20:56 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 20:56 I saw ONE spear this entire cav game (and I've just reached medusa), cursed, in a shop. 20:56 [US] SkydiveMike (Pri Elf Mal Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1591 20:56 [US] spazm (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 55 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:21981 20:57 hey Furey! getting ready to put more shuriken in the swap chest ;D 20:57 but otoh I have a collection of maces 20:57 ooh hope they are still there when i reach valley of the dead, i'm playing monk! 20:57 a very corroded one that I use on puddings, and two ordinary probably +0 uncursed ones from soldiers 20:57 not sure how many I have rn, probably gonna wish for another 20 if I can spare the wish, which I probably can. 20:57 think I already have about 30 though 20:58 If a weapon has a silver variant, confused enchant weapon should just turn it silver instead of erodepropfing it xp 20:58 ugh I'm gonna need to write identify scrolls, this feels like a waste of magic ink 20:58 My valk found sabers before spears, so I went with the saber 20:58 eh, sometimes it's like that 20:58 I think they should make demonbane silver 20:58 adn depending on role/build you can't always write the spellbook 20:58 -!- elenmirie has joined #tnnt 20:59 yeah the spellbook wouldn't help I don't think 20:59 yeah, restricted in divination 20:59 [US] [D]: sirteapot (Kni Hum Mal Law), 108 points, 242 turns, killed by a boulder 20:59 $whereis karafruit 20:59 Loggers_VIII: [US] karafruit : (Val Dwa Fem Law) T:31503 The Dungeons of Doom level: 26 20:59 even on builds that can you kinda have to scum spell energy constantly 20:59 Demonbane should be a silver spear or something 20:59 (or that's my case anyway) 20:59 in 3.7 they made it a mace and made it the first sac gift for priests 20:59 some variants make it a silver mace 20:59 but it's not silver which i think it oughta be 21:00 Hourly Stats at 2023-11-27 21:00 UTC: Games: 13, Asc: 0, Scum: 0. 46258 turns, 78596 points. (62%Hum), 3d 02:59 remaining. 21:00 it also gets a pretty cool unique invoke as well 21:01 [US] spazm (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:22254 21:01 hmmmm 21:01 How does the invoke work? Does it just banish them if they’re on the same floor? 21:01 uhhh iirc it's if they're adjacent to you? 21:01 Ah 21:02 and if you're in the main dungeon it levelports them to gehennom, if you're in gehennom it teleports them somewhere on the level 21:02 [US] spazm (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:22293 21:03 [US] karafruit (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:32427 21:04 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 21:05 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 21:05 [US] [D]: disperse (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 1051 points, 1932 turns, killed by a pony 21:05 [US] SkydiveMike (Pri Elf Mal Cha) destroyed nabru's ghost, the former Ronin, on T:2045 21:06 wow I've gotten like 4 wraith corpses in votd already, wtf 21:06 [US] [D]: jientho (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 424 points, 3489 turns, killed by a giant bat, while sleeping 21:07 yeah that invoke is good eats 21:07 makes fountain quaffing/dipping wayyyy more safe 21:07 don't have to worry about juiblex/yeen showing up really 21:07 [US] tjw (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Yeenoghu, on T:53942 21:07 I cast spell of "fuck off" 21:09 -!- crunchbubba9 has joined #tnnt 21:09 Oh I didn’t think about using it for fountain quaffing 21:09 That’s not a bad idea 21:10 -!- crunchbubba has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:11 [US] rvcx (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:8853 21:12 lol, VotD is mocking me, just found a silver dagger and a silver saber lying on the ground 21:12 I actually wished up silver arrows on my 3.7 ranger come to think of it 21:13 arrows at least you can get pretty good numbers of with a wish 21:13 [US] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law) murdered her faithful horse, on T:75186 21:14 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 21:14 [US] [D]: sirteapot (Kni Hum Mal Law), 573 points, 1665 turns, killed by a dwarf king 21:14 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #tnnt 21:16 [US] [D]: Staengia (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 6275 points, 7624 turns, killed by a mumak 21:17 [US] spazm (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) genocided class ;, on T:23332 21:17 [US] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law) genocided class ;, on T:75488 21:17 -!- Staengia has joined #tnnt 21:17 [US] spazm (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) wished for "magic marker", on T:23334 21:17 [US] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:21563 21:18 Hehehehehe some giant dropped WoD, ez 21:21 it's so weird seeing my max (normal) level Elvenking turn into tripe when eating a mimic 21:21 [US] rvcx (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "the blessed eyes of the overworld", on T:9214 21:21 [US] [D]: SkydiveMike (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 2338 points, 2956 turns, killed by a white unicorn 21:22 [US] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:76018 21:24 [US] spazm (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:24067 21:24 -!- Roke has quit [Quit: Client closed] 21:24 [US] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:21800 21:24 -!- Roke has joined #tnnt 21:24 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 21:25 [US] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Trollsbane bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:2738 21:25 [US] [D]: sirteapot (Kni Hum Mal Law), 366 points, 1154 turns, killed by a small mimic 21:26 [US] jackofclubs (Rog Orc Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4697 21:26 [US] [D]: jackofclubs (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 7049 points, 4700 turns, killed by an energy vortex 21:26 [EU] nurdglaw (Val Hum Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:76195 21:26 [US] [D]: Staengia (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 615 points, 895 turns, killed by a gnome lord, while praying 21:27 [EU] nurdglaw (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:76196 21:30 [US] karafruit (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "20 uncursed +0 shuriken", on T:33607 21:30 [US] [D]: DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 7643 points, 3379 turns, killed by a bolt of lightning 21:31 How many projectiles can you wish for at a time? 21:31 -!- efot has joined #tnnt 21:31 per the wiki, 20 of arrows, darts, crossbow bolts, shuriken, boomerangs, or rocks 21:32 7 candles, 5000 gold, anything else is treated normally (so no guarantees beyond 1) 21:33 [US] spazm (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) genocided class P, on T:24935 21:33 oh noooo I lost memory of enchant weapon scrolls in the mind flayer incident 21:34 Oof that sucks 21:34 [US] karafruit (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "3 blessed scrolls of enchant weapon", on T:33613 21:34 [US] jackofclubs (Rog Orc Mal Cha) destroyed sirteapot's ghost, the former Stripling, on T:1453 21:34 got the three at least, so it'll save some ink 21:34 That extra wand of wishing paying dividends lol 21:34 yeah for sure 21:35 [US] mindcool (Bar Orc Fem Cha) murdered her faithful kitten, on T:278 21:35 looks like swap chest is getting +6 shuriken, don't feel like trying to finagle +7 from +6 21:37 or could make one +8 21:37 I could, but I feel like people would rather have more +6 than fewer +8 ;P 21:37 that's more useful, shure 21:37 but is it as cool? 21:37 yes 21:40 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #tnnt 21:40 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:40 [US] disperse (Bar Orc Mal Cha) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:4308 21:40 [US] spazm (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed drum of earthquake", on T:25331 21:40 hell yeah 21:41 [US] spazm (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:25336 21:41 [US] spazm (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:25337 21:41 3 +6 shuriken storm beats 1 +8 shuriken drizzle 21:41 spent most of my gold at shops because I know Croesus is right next door to the quest which has even more shops 21:42 and sometimes it's worth shelling out for something you're gonna blank anyway 21:42 not like I have anything else to do with all this 21:42 56 blessed rustproof +6 shuriken and 2 blessed +7 silver spears about to go in swap chest, once I get back down there 21:42 [US] eitkrog (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:24821 21:43 [US] disperse (Bar Orc Mal Cha) destroyed Gandelf's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:4656 21:43 ...that'll free up a lot of carrying capacity, heh 21:43 silver heavy 21:43 [US] spazm (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:25683 21:44 orb heavier 21:44 Man this is a not OK run 21:45 I don't have and MR or levitation so I'm stuck at Medusa and feeling uncomfortable 21:45 Which side of Medusa 21:45 wow thanks, orb, for sticking me between a centaur and a leocrotta 21:45 I just got here 21:46 Common option is to dig down, walk back up (blindfolded!!!!!!!) and deal with Medusa and then do the Castle to fill the gaps if Perseus doesn't offer anything 21:46 also: wands of cold, scrolls of earth and water walking are all options 21:46 Hmm do I have space to dig here 21:46 Just don't dig next to a water tile 21:46 I have one each of earth and cold 21:47 -!- Roke has quit [Quit: Client closed] 21:47 -!- Roke has joined #tnnt 21:47 WELP 21:47 [US] spazm (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:25808 21:47 Well then there's no space 21:47 swap chest apparently doesn't respect putting part of a stack in 21:47 -!- Elenmirie_ has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 21:47 [US] spazm (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:25824 21:48 *mourns her +7 silver spear* 21:49 [US] [D]: Spider74656 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 166 points, 1934 turns, killed by a goblin, while reading a book 21:49 [US] [D]: mindcool (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 2104 points, 2127 turns, killed by a dwarf mummy, while frozen by a monster's gaze 21:49 lol forced generosity 21:49 [US] karafruit (Val Dwa Fem Law) removed spazm's uncursed -1 pair of speed boots from the swap chest, on T:33742 21:49 [US] jackofclubs (Rog Orc Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3856 21:49 [EU] [D]: noims (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 6928 points, 7131 turns, killed by an owlbear 21:49 [US] SkippitoFriskito (Bar Orc Mal Cha) found kitten, on T:1280 21:49 can't you just drop one and then put the stack in 21:49 yep. well, hopefully someone benefits from the stack of three instead of stack of two 21:49 I could've, but I assumed that putting 2 in would put two in and not all 3 21:50 oh I see I thought you meant it wouldn't let you put in part of a stack 21:50 since that's how it works for every other container 21:50 oh gotcha 21:50 [US] sirteapot (Kni Hum Mal Law) received Excalibur, on T:3700 21:50 Well, found a space to dig down, but I'm a little finicky about the castle now 21:50 no, it just took all three 21:50 an odd caveman might 21:50 What if someone destroys the drawbridge then I can't cross 21:50 What if there are liches 21:50 I don't wanna genocide them yet because I wanna LEARN THE ALPHABET 21:51 But i still don't have MR 21:51 if you have an instrument you have a chance 21:51 unless you have like displacement 21:51 [US] [D]: jackofclubs (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 2058 points, 4107 turns, killed by an owlbear 21:51 blargh 21:52 And i really want that achievement because I actually managed to kill an A and a K already, by rng chance 21:52 So I'm just missing L and J 21:52 lol I'm just missing A and K 21:52 You'll get an A on astral probably 21:52 well no one's missing for too long, that's for sure 21:52 I've seen peaceful coatls 21:53 K is hard unless you commit shop 21:53 I could go kill one 21:53 no one's mising A* 21:53 you can easily get A on astral and K by robbing a shop 21:53 I got my K by a random polytrap 21:53 yeah but I don't care, I've gotten it previous runs 21:53 I've almost never killed an L because I usually genocide them when I have the chance lol 21:53 I mean, like before I ever meet one 21:53 I normally do too, but didn't have the chance before a master lich harassed me on the quest 21:54 [US] [D]: SkydiveMike (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 773 points, 2479 turns, killed by a mumak 21:54 [US] Smithgift (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:24516 21:55 Oj fine I'll do it 21:55 [EU] [D]: xororand (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 5511 points, 6311 turns, killed by a quasit 21:55 Fingers crossed perseus has lev so I don't need to risk my neck at the Castle yet 21:55 blarghhhhhhhh I probably should just go pick up that saber or dagger 21:55 but I miss my spear :( 21:55 Though I probably still will grumble grumble magic resistance mumble 21:55 [US] Loggers (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Yeenoghu, on T:28693 21:55 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 21:55 [US] [D]: SkippitoFriskito (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 1540 points, 2297 turns, killed by a gnome king 21:56 Yep there a pink L here I'm just gonna forget about the achievnt 21:56 I thankfully managed to get everything I needed in order before even finishing devteam quest 21:56 no scare monster? 21:56 [US] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Law) genocided class L, on T:24945 21:57 are there any rules to where the devteam scrolls can (not) be found? 21:57 above castle and not on medusa 21:57 They're always on the ground 21:57 and probably on 3 different levels 21:57 can generate in halls which normal scrolls can't 21:58 [US] efot (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased bag of holding", on T:31731 21:58 [US] [D]: jmcunx (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 534 points, 1412 turns, killed by a kitten 21:58 [US] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:25020 21:58 ooh corridors. but could be in soko or on a quest? 21:58 only main dungeon 21:58 that helps 21:58 can be on levels from where branches split off but not in branches themselves 21:59 you can talk to mike after accepting the quest and he tells you what levels they are on 21:59 Yesssss perseus lev 21:59 only if you found at least one 21:59 [US] spazm (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:27150 21:59 [EU] [D]: noims (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 904 points, 1055 turns, killed by an acidic corpse 22:00 Hourly Stats at 2023-11-27 22:00 UTC: Games: 19, Asc: 0, Scum: 0. 56661 turns, 46854 points. (37%Hum), 3d 01:59 remaining. 22:00 [US] karafruit (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fireproof +2 cloak of magic resistance", on T:33872 22:01 -!- crunchbubba9 has quit [Quit: Client closed] 22:01 wow, went from level 15 to 16 just by killing stuff 22:01 -!- crunchbubba has joined #tnnt 22:01 $help 22:01 Roke: https://github.com/tnnt-devteam/tnntbot/blob/master/botuse.txt 22:01 [US] spazm (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) entered the Planes, on T:27490 22:01 $time 22:01 Roke: 2023-11-27 22:01:57 UTC. 2023 Tournament closes in 3d 01:58:02 22:02 "Paxed thinks a scroll might have ended up on level 26..." 22:02 [US] rvcx (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a werewolf, on T:13414 22:02 [US] [D]: mindcool (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 2513 points, 1993 turns, killed by a plains centaur 22:02 -!- a-1 has joined #tnnt 22:03 [US] efot (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:32141 22:03 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 22:04 [EU] mobileuser (Rog Orc Mal Cha) wished for "magic marker", on T:39441 22:04 [EU] mobileuser (Rog Orc Mal Cha) wished for "magic marker", on T:39442 22:04 [US] Loggers (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:29269 22:04 [US] Loggers (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:29270 22:04 [EU] mobileuser (Rog Orc Mal Cha) wished for "magic marker", on T:39442 22:04 -!- mobileuser has joined #tnnt 22:05 my current plan is to do Medusa and Fort Ludios and see if I hit 14 that way 22:05 if not then I try luring wraiths from quest 22:06 [US] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Law) genocided disenchanter, on T:25551 22:06 [EU] mobileuser (Rog Orc Mal Cha) wished for "magic marker", on T:39559 22:06 [US] Loggers (Val Hum Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:29435 22:06 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 22:06 [US] efot (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) made her first artifact wish - "blessed +2 Staff of Aesculapius", on T:32266 22:07 Can't believe I'm doing the Castle with -4 AC this is wild 22:07 [US] spazm (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Famine, on T:27664 22:08 [US] Loggers (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:29641 22:08 [US] Loggers (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:29644 22:08 [EU] [D]: Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 4694 points, 4843 turns, killed by a wolf 22:08 [US] spazm (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Pestilence, on T:27712 22:09 [US] spazm (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Death, on T:27752 22:10 [US] SkydiveMike (Pri Elf Mal Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1141 22:10 [US] Loggers (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Dispater, on T:30042 22:11 what the heck where'd dispater come from 22:11 [US] [A]: spazm (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 1253170 points, 27779 turns, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/s/spazm/tnnt/dumplog/1701099431.tnnt.html 22:11 summon nasties I guess 22:11 gg spazm! 22:12 -!- wop has joined #tnnt 22:13 Gratulations 22:13 [US] [D]: mindcool (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 1057 points, 2234 turns, killed by an Elvenking 22:14 well I'm doing a good job of finding trapdoors but not so much on finding staircases... 22:15 [US] [D]: gronk (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 17977 points, 10700 turns, killed by a yeti 22:15 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest3629 22:15 -!- Umbire has joined #tnnt 22:15 -!- Guest3629 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:16 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:16 -!- Umbire has joined #tnnt 22:17 [US] Nesta (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:44341 22:17 [AU] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) removed finitelycraig's uncursed +0 cornuthaum from the swap chest, on T:50661 22:17 [US] disperse (Bar Orc Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:5321 22:17 [US] SkippitoFriskito (Bar Orc Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a titan, on T:3559 22:18 [US] SkippitoFriskito (Bar Orc Mal Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3563 22:18 [US] Loggers (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:31491 22:18 [US] Roke (Rog Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased rustproof +2 helm of telepathy", on T:38856 22:20 [US] rvcx (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:14181 22:20 [US] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "2 very blessed scrolls of charging", on T:26084 22:21 [US] disperse (Bar Orc Mal Cha) removed anselmus' uncursed greased +0 cloak of magic resistance from the swap chest, on T:5608 22:21 -!- Staengia has quit [Quit: Client closed] 22:22 [US] schoen (Bar Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:94343 22:22 [US] karafruit (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:34890 22:22 [US] Loggers (Val Hum Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:32460 22:23 BRO 22:24 2 gray dragons and neither drop scales 22:24 very unhappy about that restart 22:24 [US] Roke (Rog Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed wand of death", on T:38928 22:25 [EU] [D]: noims (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 3513 points, 2820 turns, killed by a werewolf 22:25 [US] [D]: SkydiveMike (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 1822 points, 1876 turns, killed by a killer bee 22:25 [US] Loggers (Val Hum Fem Law) averted death (killed by a winged gargoyle), on T:32645 22:26 [US] Loggers (Val Hum Fem Law) genocided class L, on T:32650 22:26 [US] [D]: SkippitoFriskito (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 5795 points, 4588 turns, killed by a soldier ant 22:26 -!- Mitzutsune has joined #tnnt 22:26 [US] [D]: terrapin (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 2180 points, 1783 turns, killed by a gecko 22:26 Sup gamers, sorry I haven't been active lol 22:27 hi 22:28 [US] Loggers (Val Hum Fem Law) genocided class ;, on T:32726 22:28 [US] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:26973 22:28 [US] Loggers (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (10 times), on T:32736 22:28 [US] efot (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:34053 22:29 [US] Loggers (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed partly eaten cockatrice corpse", on T:32870 22:29 how fitting lol 22:29 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/503281133438369792/1178824962635726898/Screen_Shot_2023-11-27_at_5.27.32_PM.png?ex=65778d4c&is=6565184c&hm=cdcc900dff6d059e9badd7c37edac8649fe72d2313ef80008202ba8b7f032c22& 22:30 [US] karafruit (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:35121 22:30 [US] Loggers (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Pestilence, on T:32887 22:30 -!- Mitzutsune has quit [Client Quit] 22:30 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 22:32 [US] nirol0 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:16893 22:32 [EU] [D]: noims (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 270 points, 464 turns, killed by a fox 22:33 [US] Loggers (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Death, on T:32992 22:33 [US] [A]: Loggers (Val Hum Fem Law), 3040260 points, 33016 turns, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Loggers/tnnt/dumplog/1700965689.tnnt.html 22:33 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #tnnt 22:34 rough astral 22:34 Grats 22:34 gg 22:34 thanks 22:35 -!- efot has quit [Quit: Client closed] 22:35 [US] karafruit (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:35416 22:35 [US] [D]: SkydiveMike (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 456 points, 1674 turns, killed by an iguana, while frozen by a monster's gaze 22:36 -!- stagnate has joined #tnnt 22:36 Oh hey I can see kara's stuff in here 22:36 Buuut boy do I need those scales 22:36 [US] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Law) removed efot's uncursed +0 set of gray dragon scales from the swap chest, on T:27306 22:36 :D 22:37 I know Furey is hoping to get the shuriken so I'm sure he doesn't mind you didn't take them ;P 22:37 Kindness all around :) 22:37 the shuriken will still be there on nov 1 2024 right? :) 22:38 [US] [D]: Dhuend (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 1674 points, 3333 turns, killed by a hill orc 22:38 -!- jientho has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:38 [US] Smithgift (Val Hum Fem Law) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:27900 22:39 [US] Leggman (Bar Hum Mal Neu) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:26383 22:40 [US] [D]: habib (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 2871 points, 6102 turns, poisoned by a killer bee 22:40 [US] [D]: Loggers (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 613 points, 1283 turns, killed by a gnome lord (and one other game not reported) 22:41 [AU] Phyban (Cav Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:22722 22:41 [US] allanb (Mon Hum Mal Neu) found kitten, on T:1488 22:42 -!- HalNovek has quit [Quit: Client closed] 22:42 [US] [D]: SkydiveMike (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 160 points, 602 turns, killed by a gnome lord 22:42 [US] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "thoroughly uncursed magic marker", on T:27643 22:45 I feel like I've proposed this before but, YAEI (yet another evil idea): magic markers can lose ink when they come in contact with water 22:46 -!- stagnate has quit [Quit: Client closed] 22:47 lol my wizard has 66 HP already on level one thanks to natural levelup and a succubus 22:47 Holy cheese 22:49 just don't bump into any more floating eyes 22:49 [US] karafruit (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:36020 22:49 [US] karafruit (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:36021 22:49 shhh :) 22:50 [AU] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed the Oracle, on T:51877 22:50 [US] Leggman (Bar Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed +3 fireproof boots of speed", on T:26725 22:52 [US] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "2 scrolls of gold detection", on T:84186 22:53 [US] Leggman (Bar Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed ring of teleport control", on T:26931 22:53 [US] allanb (Mon Hum Mal Neu) destroyed SkydiveMike's ghost, the former Adept, on T:2945 22:54 Blessed enchant armor/weapon stop giving +1 every time challenge (impossible) 22:54 Oh my marker is dried out 22:54 [US] sirteapot (Kni Hum Mal Law) removed hothraxxa's uncursed +0 shield of reflection from the swap chest, on T:9914 22:54 Splendid 22:54 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 22:56 hello dragonbane in orcustown 22:56 [US] Leggman (Bar Hum Mal Neu) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:27288 22:57 [US] Loggers (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:8303 22:58 [US] [D]: Loggers (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 6886 points, 8666 turns, poisoned by a centipede 22:58 -!- Roke has quit [Quit: Client closed] 22:59 that might be my most bullshit death ever 22:59 walk next to item on the ground, instant death 22:59 -!- Elenmirie_ has joined #tnnt 22:59 [US] SkydiveMike (Pri Elf Mal Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:974 22:59 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 23:00 Hourly Stats at 2023-11-27 23:00 UTC: Games: 18, Asc: 2, Scum: 1. 113757 turns, 4345911 points. (71%Cha), 3d 00:59 remaining. 23:00 -!- stagnate has joined #tnnt 23:00 [US] Roke (Rog Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:40097 23:00 [US] Roke (Rog Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:40099 23:00 [US] karafruit (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:36509 23:00 ugggggh, he cursed my ring of levitation 23:00 -!- Roke has joined #tnnt 23:01 [US] [D]: nabru (Sam Hum Fem Law), 118 points, 164 turns, burned by a tower of flame 23:01 YASNI for TNNT 2024: "You hear a plaintive cow." 23:01 * docpi smiles brightly 23:02 freaking trapdoors 23:03 Moooooooo! 23:03 [US] Grouchy (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:21914 23:03 [US] tjw (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed ring of levitation named help me Dua Lipa", on T:54985 23:03 [US] Grouchy (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:21920 23:04 [US] allanb (Mon Hum Mal Neu) removed spazm's blessed +1 pair of gauntlets of power from the swap chest, on T:3375 23:04 [US] knnn (Pri Hum Fem Neu) murdered her faithful monkey, on T:47776 23:05 [US] hothraxxa (Rog Hum Mal Cha) wished for "very historic uncursed burning diluted locked fixed thoroughly magic marker of newt named smoke this for a mild buzz", on T:45607 23:05 [US] rvcx (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) removed spazm's blessed bag of holding from the swap chest, on T:16982 23:06 -!- a-1 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:07 [US] allanb (Mon Hum Mal Neu) consumed animal products (cream pie) for the first time, on T:3653 23:07 [US] [D]: Dhuend (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 1101 points, 3131 turns, killed by an owlbear 23:08 [US] allanb (Mon Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a barbed devil, on T:3814 23:08 [US] rvcx (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:17155 23:09 [EU] docpi (Pri Hum Fem Neu) destroyed jmcunx's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:1200 23:09 [US] sirteapot (Kni Hum Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:11297 23:09 [US] eitwinston (Pri Elf Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed +2 grey dragon scale mail", on T:2677 23:09 "jmcunx, killed by a kitten" 23:09 * docpi stern look 23:10 It happens sometimes. 23:10 yeah, that's why I make sure mine die early 23:10 Old-edition D&D housecats could just straight up kill random peasants and shit in combat if they wanted to 23:10 [US] eitwinston (Pri Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed +2 shield of reflection", on T:2783 23:11 I feel it, Umbire, it happened to me many times. One time, I had forgotten that it is easily possibleto pacify former pets. I fled them, and was very low on health when I remembered, proceeded, and barely survived. 23:11 [US] OmegaDino (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:5351 23:12 I always carry some veggy stuff whenever possible for that exact reason 23:12 and rations for ponies 23:14 [US] nabru (Sam Hum Fem Law) removed spazm's blessed +1 pair of gauntlets of power from the swap chest, on T:2295 23:16 fortune cookies for equines 23:16 [US] [D]: nabru (Sam Hum Fem Law), 4405 points, 2377 turns, killed by a vampire 23:17 but I like reading those! 23:17 for the lottery numbers 23:18 #metoo, Umbire, #metoo 23:18 [US] tjw (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) wished for "cursed bell", on T:55263 23:18 [EU] Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:4168 23:18 i see what you're doing there tjw 23:19 [US] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Law) bribed Asmodeus with 1 zorkmid for safe passage, on T:29618 23:19 took me six rings 23:19 incredible he actually laughed at me while disappearing 23:19 times are hard, so demons are settling for whatever they can get 23:21 [US] Nesta (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:49457 23:22 [EU] [D]: Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 5857 points, 4714 turns, killed by an ochre jelly 23:23 hothraxxa: I'm inspired by your creative wishes 23:23 [US] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:29924 23:24 [US] nirol0 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:21252 23:30 [US] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:30546 23:30 -!- nurdglaw has quit [Quit: Client closed] 23:30 -!- nurdglaw has joined #tnnt 23:32 [US] eitwinston (Pri Elf Mal Cha) became literate by reading a book, on T:5028 23:32 [US] jmcunx (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) destroyed Dhuend's ghost, the former Cutpurse, on T:2703 23:33 [US] karafruit (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed drum of earthquake", on T:38694 23:33 [US] karafruit (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed wand of death named Rodneybane", on T:38695 23:35 [US] eitkrog (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:27630 23:35 [US] karafruit (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:38700 23:35 [US] karafruit (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:38704 23:36 [US] jmcunx (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a lizard corpse, on T:3176 23:37 [EU] xororand (Pri Hum Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3377 23:37 [US] sirteapot (Kni Hum Mal Law) found kitten, on T:13351 23:37 -!- Arseniy has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:37 [US] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Law) genocided class m, on T:31242 23:37 [US] [D]: eitkrog (Val Dwa Fem Law), 276442 points, 27642 turns, killed by a minotaur 23:38 [US] karafruit (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:38769 23:38 Jeez I got level tele'd from 40 to 18 23:38 [US] Roke (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:41698 23:39 Did it on purpose, wanted to check something with the altar, but wow 23:39 -!- Elenmirie_ has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 23:39 [US] Roke (Rog Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:41706 23:39 [US] desertgreg (Arc Hum Mal Neu) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:38053 23:40 [US] jmcunx (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) found kitten, on T:3407 23:41 [EU] noims (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:2478 23:42 [US] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "a very very very very very very very very uncursed magic marker", on T:31757 23:45 [EU] lrrr (Ran Elf Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:5914 23:46 [US] Roke (Rog Hum Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:41968 23:46 And now the wifi is out 23:46 Someone just really wants to annoy me 23:48 -!- wop has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:49 -!- nurdglaw has quit [Quit: Client closed] 23:50 [US] karafruit (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:39025 23:50 [US] karafruit (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:39028 23:53 [EU] [D]: xororand (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 4351 points, 8439 turns, killed by a chameleon imitating a mind flayer 23:55 [US] [D]: jmcunx (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 3175 points, 3887 turns, killed by a soldier ant 23:55 [US] Leggman (Bar Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (class h), on T:29887 23:56 [US] Leggman (Bar Hum Mal Neu) genocided class L, on T:29889 23:59 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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