00:00 DAILY STATS AT 2023-11-24 00:00 UTC: Games: 364, Asc: 15, Scum: 102. 1327816 turns, 36646895 points. 19d 03:37 gametime. (31%Wiz), (56%Hum), (37%Neu), (51%Fem), 6d 23:59 remaining. 00:02 [US] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:30722 00:03 -!- Elenmirie_ has joined #tnnt 00:03 Yeah been with family all day, currently playing cards for the foreseeable future 00:06 which card games? 00:06 at larger gatherings we usually play a variation of pitch 00:07 we always play sheepshead 00:07 [US] arthur (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1265 00:07 it’s basically nethack but as a card game. it feels great to win but when you don’t you want to die :p 00:08 oh neat 00:08 [US] karafruit (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed Thoth Amon, on T:23336 00:08 [US] karafruit (Bar Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:23341 00:08 [US] malor (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) averted death (killed by a bolt of lightning), on T:4842 00:09 [US] [D]: malor (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 5228 points, 4848 turns, killed by a bolt of lightning 00:09 the number of wands my enemies have had today has been uncanny. 00:10 happy thanksgiving. sick right now with something flu like. ate food. wrapped up a funny dnh game. splatted a promising start to a dnh game. found what could be a promising bug on some platform with public bb. going to go take some time to write a list of things im thankful for. 00:11 sorry you're not feeling well Demo1 00:11 :/ 00:13 rip :( 00:13 hope you feel better 00:13 [US] [D]: Athor (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 3239 points, 3112 turns, killed by a bolt of lightning 00:16 [US] peterg (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +2 cloak of protection", on T:30842 00:17 [US] Athor (Mon Hum Mal Cha) found kitten, on T:863 00:17 -!- BEHiker91W has joined #tnnt 00:19 [AU] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:5928 00:19 -!- BEHiker91W has quit [Client Quit] 00:20 [EU] [D]: Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 1549 points, 2324 turns, killed by a death ray 00:22 * anselmus is having curry noodles for turkey day 00:23 [US] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:31483 00:25 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:26 [AU] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) removed anselmus' uncursed +0 set of silver dragon scales from the swap chest, on T:6388 00:26 [US] peterg (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:31495 00:28 [US] schoen (Bar Hum Fem Neu) averted death (killed by a Woodland-elf), on T:9363 00:28 [US] bleeko (Pri Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1548 00:30 [US] efot (Hea Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed ring of free action", on T:41538 00:31 [US] karafruit (Bar Orc Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:24446 00:31 [US] karafruit (Bar Orc Mal Cha) genocided class m, on T:24446 00:33 [US] efot (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:41621 00:33 [US] efot (Hea Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:41623 00:34 [US] peterg (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (disenchanter), on T:31707 00:35 [US] [D]: bleeko (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 1058 points, 1921 turns, killed by a gnome 00:35 [US] karafruit (Bar Orc Mal Cha) genocided class h, on T:24451 00:35 [US] [D]: arthur (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 728 points, 5523 turns, killed by a bone devil 00:36 [AU] [D]: charlie14690 (Ran Orc Mal Cha), 6674 points, 7736 turns, killed by a bolt of lightning 00:36 oh no! 00:36 $lastgame charlie14690 00:36 cathartes: [US] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/c/charlie14690/tnnt/dumplog/1699588108.tnnt.html | [AU] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/c/charlie14690/tnnt/dumplog/1700763064.tnnt.html 00:38 [US] jmcunx (Arc Gno Mal Neu) found kitten, on T:4386 00:38 -!- charlie14690 has joined #tnnt 00:40 '/oLightning' is brutal when hero doesn't have a bag yet 00:40 aaaaaahhhhh 00:41 [US] schoen (Bar Hum Fem Neu) destroyed bleeko's ghost, the former Acolyte, on T:11511 00:41 damn elf knocked all 58 hitpoints off my ranger in one turn after getting me on a bounce in sokoban 00:42 [US] schoen (Bar Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Athor's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:11724 00:43 of course the wand of lightning hits me both times 00:43 although I am generally OK with item destruction as a mechanic, I dislike how one-dimensional dealing with it is 00:43 even with AC of -4 and the ranger cloak of displacement did jack against the elf 00:44 especially because the technique of "bag or stash items to avoid losing them" means that you don't have them in emergencies, making many early-game threats much more dangerous 00:44 as a compromise I have taken to carrying around one u?oT in open inventory – not a huge loss if it gets burned and will, in most emergencies, at least buy enough time to get the better escape items out of the bag 00:45 but this doesn't help in Sokoban 00:45 [EU] noims (Mon Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a baby yellow dragon, on T:13796 00:45 [US] [D]: arthur (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 257 points, 1451 turns, killed by a sewer rat 00:46 it's strange that my progression on Sokoban has gone from (3.4.3) do it because I don't mind the puzzles → skip it because the rewards on the last level aren't really worthwhile → do it for the wands and rings, if not for the !oR/BoH → (3.6) consider skipping the zoo with stronger characters, or the branch with weaker characters, because it's so hard to survive nowadays 00:46 would recommend opening doors from the side in soko, especially if the wand hasn't been located 00:47 like, I get why the level is no-teleport, but that makes it so much harder to escape when things go wrong combat-wise, and the levels are so small that monsters quite frequently spawn behind you 00:47 people think soko is about pushing boulders but it's a four level death trap 00:47 recently I experimentally tried doing two levels (except for the room at the end of the second) and then backing out (due to the playtesting which shows a surprising frequency of dying on the way back from the second level after aborting) 00:48 but, I died on the way back from the second level *anyway* 00:48 game cheats by letting monsters wand you from behind boulders 00:48 i like to do 2 and a half soko levels and then gtfo 00:48 Muad: I have noticed that doing three is safer than two 00:48 …and that the safest place to run, when the second level gets out of hand, is the third 00:49 huh 00:49 I think maybe the resources from the third level compensate for the second being a problem? (also you can jump down the holes and hope to land nearer the stairs than the monsters) 00:49 so you can jump back down 00:49 right 00:49 [US] [D]: jmcunx (Arc Gno Mal Neu), 1672 points, 5393 turns, killed by a Mordor orc 00:50 the second being lethal may be a combination of a) spawn rates, b) the size of the room at the end 00:50 or even boulder layout, given that LOS has an influence on monster spawns 00:50 can also wand monsters through boulders 00:50 the Sokoban zoo frequently kills even characters I thought would be OK at it 00:50 the difference is that the game knows where the char is 00:51 but also I like to let pet lead in on floor 2 and 3 and open the door from the side 00:51 [AU] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) found kitten, on T:8169 00:51 I had an older valk that was doing alright until I hit a zoo lieutenant 00:51 …to the point that "can clear the Sokoban zoo" is probably the point at which I am confident that I'm over the difficulty spike, with the only remaining problem being the Castle (and for a few roles, Quest) 00:51 @Umbire: was a bugle involved? 00:51 [EU] [D]: Muad (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 5408 points, 6443 turns, killed by a troll 00:51 but then a mass majority of that was on me for trying to brute force it 00:51 yeah "open door from the side" is the way 00:52 Nah 00:52 Just bit off too much in general 00:52 for the zoo, i stack up 3-4 pets and put a strong pet on the lead 00:52 anselmus yeah i did open the door from the side then i moved into the open square becasue i wanted to fire stuff and monsters looked pretty far away 00:53 I do something similar and occasionally tame domestics in the zoo as bodies 00:53 "becasue i wanted to fire stuff and monsters looked pretty far away" <--every trap has its bait 00:53 well i was a ranger 00:54 yeah i prefer to kick down the door so you can back out diagonally, not that it would've helped here 00:54 the position recommended by anselmus would have saved you the bounce 00:54 *from the bounce 00:55 everything is a tradeoff. your ranger's preferred mode has its weaknesses, as this ending emphasises 00:55 rangers can get good skill in polearms, btw 00:55 looks like you had plenty of escape options too, shame 00:55 but they are of course unfortunately rare to find early on 00:57 [US] gruefood (Hea Gno Fem Neu) wished for "Blessed magic marker", on T:25777 00:57 so there is a chicken-and-egg problem, in that nowadays the Sokoban amulet of reflection is kind-of useless because you generally need to be able to survive wands before going there in the first place… 00:57 [US] gruefood (Hea Gno Fem Neu) wished for "Blessed Amulet of Life Saving", on T:25780 00:58 would be great if you could lure monsters into the corridor, while you are as far as possible to the west end 00:58 3x14 potion store. 00:58 ...but that is difficult since pathfinding only sends monsters through the door when you are at the far eastern end of that corridor 00:59 soko should keep the ring and wand for each level by the staircase, 2a has such a small puzzle area and a large room area that of course the wand ends up in the room area 00:59 [US] peterg (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) genocided class L, on T:32374 00:59 ooh, I just realised 00:59 would that make the game more interesting? 00:59 Sokoban can spawn intelligent monsters 01:00 if the wand is in the room area, they can quite possibly pick it up and use it 01:00 anselmus I should reconsider my habit of keeping un-ID'd rings off after that game 01:00 [US] gruefood (Hea Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed ring of levitation", on T:25783 01:00 I check unIDed rings to see if they're conflict (which normally isn't too difficult), and if they're cursed – if they aren't, I wear them unless I figure out that they're useless, detrimental or outclassed 01:01 when you guys have unknown rings early game do you keep them off or on? 01:01 quite frequently unIDed rings are resistance rings 01:01 so wearing them a) helps you ID them and b) may save you from an attack 01:01 depends on what I'm looking for at the time, charlie14690 01:01 and most of the time they're pretty much useless 01:01 * most of the rest of the time 01:01 so wearing them isn't a detriment 01:01 i've been debating same, there's no reason why i shouldn't risk sustain ability but i just like gaining str from soko 01:01 if I need poison res, early on, for example 01:02 you do have to watch out for uncursed rings with non-obvious negative effects, like hunger and slow digestion 01:02 but normally you figure that out eventually 01:02 [US] peterg (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:32474 01:02 the only really dangerous one is polymorph (and shopping can be dangerous with unIDed teleport, so you might want to take steps to shop safely with teleportitis if you haven't been wearing it for long enough to be confident that it isn't that) 01:02 5% faster hungering from rings and sustain ability is why i have a habit of leaving unid'd rings off but 01:03 anselmus: you can probably deduce sustain ability given enough time, although it's a little tricky because you're looking for a rare random message *not* displaying 01:03 i wear noncursed un'id rings in the early game 01:03 [US] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) averted death (choked on a lump of royal jelly), on T:31971 01:03 str/con gain for wiz is already mostly meaningless because it's so low to begin with 01:03 ah, time for the classic do-I-risk-the-arena question... 01:05 how often do characters actually die in the arena? (as opposed to running away and losing probably the best stash spot in the dungeon) 01:05 basically, from the set of rings you haven't discovered yet, consider which ones you might wish you had, and consider wearing one that might be what you wish it were, if the situation warrants it 01:05 I only ever actually fought once, and I was a ranger and basically never got next to them 01:05 every other time I've been a chicken 01:05 I only fought once, and it took absolutely ages against a fairly easy opponent 01:06 but I was never in actual danger, other than possibly starvation 01:06 I think the only real risk is that the opponent has wands or scrolls of create monster 01:06 you have to check their dumplog before you fight them 01:06 or a trice corpse, but that's manageable = 01:07 ugh, I had a hard decision between a CoMR and SDSM at the swap chest, and I figured maybe I'd find MR before reflection. Not only did I get "oR at sokoban, I also just killed a silver dragon and got scales. *sigh* 01:07 (sorry about the accidental dropped ring, it was a typo) 01:07 I think random reflection is more common than random MR, but I'm not sure 01:07 or you can not check the dumplog, and enjoy the surprise 01:07 yeah I checked the dumplog, they don't seem too bad, just a lot of hp and damage whereas I... am more suited to fighting lots of monsters rather than one-on-one 01:07 yeah I probably chose poorly, oh well. 01:07 karafruit: basically the problem is that for many characters, only 5% of attacks will actually hit 01:07 due to people overoptimising AC 01:08 ah, hrmmm 01:08 their AC is -23 in the dumplog 01:08 but it is typically possible to disengage to heal up 01:08 -23 is much better than the typical monster's AC 01:08 dumplog AC isn't totally accurate because they won't have intrinsic protection 01:08 also, empty slots will become enchanted items 01:09 if they don't have a t-shirt, or a helm, or whatever, that's 7 or 8 extra AC points you have to deal with 01:09 I think the only thing they're missing is a shield. will the NPC two-weapon or will it one-weapon with a genned shield? 01:09 [US] bestgorilla (Rog Hum Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:62569 01:09 NPC can't twoweapon, so they'll wear the shield if they have a single-handed weapon 01:09 monsters can’t twoweapon 01:10 monsters "twoweapon" by having two attacks with the same weapon 01:10 some npc's wield a two-handed unihorn 01:10 they can't twoweapon the same way that players do 01:10 some monsters can twoweapon a single weapon 01:10 and most players leave their unihorn at +0 so 01:10 this isn't Slash'EM, the unihorn's enchantment is mostly irrelevant 01:10 [US] peterg (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:33047 01:10 [US] [D]: allanb (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 4955 points, 6857 turns, killed by a giant spider, while sleeping 01:11 gotcha. hrrrrrrrm. 01:11 (and making it relevant wasn't really an impactful gameplay decision, non-rangers normally have plenty of spare ?oEW) 01:11 ais523 i think unihorn enchantment is important when a monster is wielding it as a weapon. that's my point. players don't bother, and then their npc is using a +0 weapon. 01:11 Furey: right, I was explaining why players don't bother 01:12 …but also why there isn't much point in making them bother 01:12 sounds like violent agreement :) 01:15 hmm, is unihornless an interesting conduct? 01:15 yes ais523. it is 01:15 [US] gruefood (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:26522 01:16 there are other pretty accessible cures for most status conditions – on Astral it is often better to cure status with a b!oFH anyway so that you get a full heal on the same turn, rather than needing to cure both separately 01:16 there are accessible cures, and the interesting thing is that they consume resources 01:17 so there is tension between "play through the status effect", or cure it and lose some weight 01:17 most hallu/blind effects seem to wear off quickly, so going without wasn't as bad as i imagined 01:17 (or MP) 01:17 anselmus: I think yellow/black lights are the most problematic in that respect 01:17 not that i played an entire game as a conduct 01:18 black lights wear off pretty fast, ais523. 01:18 if I don't find a blindfold or towel before yellow lights turn up they can be hugely annoying 01:18 yeah i think it's shorter in 36 01:18 admittedly I'm not sure about black lights, it's very rare for me to not have a way to mitigate them 01:18 by the time they actually turn up 01:19 if you *want* hallu, they're the shortest-lasting source I know of 01:19 [AU] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed spellbook of restore ability", on T:22225 01:20 (and if you don't want hallu, well, they're still the shortest lasting) 01:20 [US] karafruit (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:26613 01:20 ooh, a statue of a caveman named Furey 01:20 cavewoman* 01:20 [US] gruefood (Hea Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed spellbook of magic missile", on T:26638 01:20 and a priestess named Furey! 01:21 aw those are medusa statues, thought you were braving the arena for a moment 01:21 -!- charlie14690 has quit [Quit: Client closed] 01:22 lol, if you were at the arena I would have left and not even considered it 01:24 do the arena statues give any clues about the opponent? I know you can check the opponent using telepathy 01:26 [US] karafruit (Bar Orc Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a silver dragon, on T:26918 01:26 oh right, forgot poly traps existed for a while there. Thanks for reminding me, game :3 01:26 [US] allanb (Tou Hum Mal Neu) found kitten, on T:2333 01:26 that's why my early wishes are for GDSM and not SDSM 01:27 well, GDSM wasn't an option 01:27 ............................. 01:27 -!- Noims has joined #tnnt 01:28 [US] [D]: karafruit (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 216107 points, 26935 turns, petrified by a cockatrice 01:28 oh, rip 01:28 oof 01:28 $lastgame karafruit 01:28 cathartes: [US] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/karafruit/tnnt/dumplog/1700760737.tnnt.html | [EU] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/k/karafruit/tnnt/dumplog/1700587662.tnnt.html | [AU] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/k/karafruit/tnnt/dumplog/1699627542.tnnt.html 01:28 nooo 01:28 cockatrice around the corner, moved into it before I even really processed it was there 01:28 [US] Nesta (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1936 01:28 I might have attacked it anyway without thinking? 01:28 but... yikes 01:29 well that's now two people that I know of who died with something I donated to the swap chest... 01:29 [US] karibou (Mon Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:12703 01:29 ha 01:29 -!- a-1 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:29 I guess my lesson here is take the CoMR, not the SDSM 01:30 CoMR doesn't protect from cocktrices either 01:30 it protects you from turning into a silver dragon tho 01:30 ah right 01:30 I was wondering why you didn't have a melee weapon 01:30 on one of my better runs (possibly an ascension) I accidentally bashed a cockatrice with a blessed oil lamp 01:30 * anselmus suspects ais523 would've died the same way 01:31 but fortunately, that is one of the few cockatrice-related deaths that isn't fatal 01:31 I think it is cool you were diving that deep without MR, karafruit 01:31 do it again! 01:31 [US] tjw (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:15564 01:31 anselmus: it's certainly possible, monsters appearing next to you after being outside LOS the turn before is a major interface issue, especially for human characters 01:32 -!- efot has joined #tnnt 01:32 I mean, tinklebear, my only other real option was to go die in the arena in hopes of getting that CoMR 01:32 there are some deaths that can be avoided by slowing down, but you have to slow down on basically every turn on the whole game, so unless playing for asc rate, or gametime speedrun, it isn't worth it 01:32 a daring gamble that should've succeeded dammit 01:33 it was the combo of poly-into-creature-without-weapon into cockatrice-just-out-of-sight that got me 01:33 it's a gotcha that got you 01:33 though like I said, I might have forgotten and bitten it as a silver dragon anyway. I'd like to think I wouldn't have, but... 01:34 next time 01:34 but yeah I was on that floor getting the last scroll of missing code, but was then gonna probably try to wish for a CoMR, or hope the votd swap chest had one (if I could make it through the castle) 01:35 [US] klepto (Bar Orc Fem Cha) removed efot's uncursed +0 cloak of magic resistance from the swap chest, on T:6050 01:35 sounds like a good plan 01:35 Third master mind flayer in the castle. *sigh*. 01:35 fwiw I think it's a balance problem that you have to go through the castle to get to the valley (although this can be circumvented by controlled levport, that's hard to get for non-wizards pre-castle) 01:36 I donated a +1 CoMR to the swap chest yesterday and I don't know where it went. It probably went to AU because nobody has taken it yet. 01:36 I saw a comr in the swap chest when I took the SDSM, I can go back in my vod to check if it was yours 01:36 don't remember the enchantment 01:36 I put a +5 fireproof one in last night too but ofc I won't see that 01:37 [US] [D]: karibou (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 40747 points, 13422 turns, killed by a leocrotta 01:37 [US] klepto (Bar Orc Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:6239 01:38 ais523, is what makes it a "balance problem" the fact that wizards (and certain other roles) get telecontrol easier? 01:38 [US] [D]: Nesta (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 623 points, 2149 turns, killed by a crossbow bolt 01:39 (as in, they don't have to luck out, or kick sinks) 01:39 wizards have a harder knee in the transition between squishy and invincible 01:39 I put one in earlier today 01:39 [US] arthur (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:2921 01:39 ah, no, the CoMR was +0 and from efot 01:40 tinklebear: no, it's the lack of options 01:40 ...oh hi efot 01:40 hi there :) 01:40 the Valley would be an interesting place to go for many pre-Quest characters trying to hit xlvl 14 01:40 but you can't safely get there and back until you can do the Castle 01:40 "Wizards don't have to luck out" is overstating things a bit. 01:40 [AU] bleeko (Pri Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:2431 01:41 the consequence is that by the time you get there, you already have, e.g., the Castle wand and thus it isn't interesting any mroe 01:41 so if I put something in the valley chest only other people in the valley can grab it? 01:41 no, it can be taken from the mines chest 01:41 ais523: why would players want to go to Valley pre-quest? Because of the wraiths? 01:41 ok cool 01:41 Found the other WoW. 01:41 cathartes: it's generally a good grinding spot, the monsters give a lot of exp 01:41 I guess I could have levitated around to the back and fallen down the trapdoor without engaging the inside of the castle 01:42 I agree the valley is more interesting (and challenging) pre-castle. 01:42 can generally grind from 12 to 13 on that level alone even if there are no wraith corpses 01:42 ais523: you'd need drain resistance, otherwise a single vampire or wraith draining a level will undo all the progress 01:42 [AU] [D]: bleeko (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 3519 points, 2543 turns, killed by a vampire bat 01:42 karafruit: it is possible to have a character who can levitate round, both on the way there and the way back, without being able to do the interior 01:42 [US] [D]: WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 88 points, 254 turns, killed by a water demon 01:42 but it doesn't happen very often 01:42 cathartes: yes 01:43 I usually do try to get drain res before doing that 01:43 well, barbarians generally will be able to with the heart of ahriman, which was the case for my char. but I guess not pre-quest 01:43 I would think most characters that can levitate are able to get most interior monsters to drop into the trap doors 01:43 cathartes, speed can substitute for drain res 01:43 efot: but that doesn't help with grinding in the valley 01:43 because now you have the entire contents of the castle there 01:43 instead, it helps with getting the Castle wand, thus is exacerbates the "the Valley isn't interesting because it's post-Castle" problem 01:44 I see 01:44 [US] [D]: Nesta (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 66 points, 352 turns, killed by a sewer rat 01:44 Hmm. Now what to wish for, for a monk that has nearly everything. 01:44 there is a bunch of loot in the Valley, and sometimes I delay spending resources (wish or marker charge) to check out the Valley first. 01:45 I often find myself considering going straight to the valley, and skipping the castle wand 01:45 sometimes I do just that 01:45 it is kind of exciting 01:45 can be 01:45 wish for whirled peas 01:46 I have considered just making the Castle level have diggable floor everywhere (although presumably it's hardfloor for a reason) 01:46 it's technically the bottom of a dungeon branch, right? 01:46 arahael: markers are a good generic wish – and if you have enough already that you only fear typos, "oLS is good unless you need the amulet slot for something else 01:47 cathartes: yes 01:47 but some spots are diggable even at present (the trapdoor spots, if you fill them with a boulder) 01:47 Yeah, the slot is taken. 01:48 Already have at least one marker. 01:48 oh, I never knew that. Always thought that if you filled up all the trapdoors you'd have to levelport to get to the Valley. 01:48 it changed at some point 01:48 If I were a monk in that situation, I would simply wish for a second neck, to be able to wear two amulets. 01:48 not sure if the change made it to 3.6 or whether it's a 3.7 thing 01:48 A second neck would be nice. 01:48 you were correct for 3.4 01:49 Change made it to 3.6 01:49 [US] efot (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:42998 01:49 another role that gets guaranteed telecontrol is rogue. And it does make some sense, does it not, that it is relatively easier (currently) for a rogue to loot the valley than many other roles? 01:50 I'm thinking spellbook of repair armour. 01:50 does that exist in vanilla? 01:50 flavor-wise, I mean. rogues sneak around and seek out loot 01:50 [US] efot (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:43077 01:50 arahael: I don't think there's such a thing as +oRA 01:51 in vanilla, or well, the wiki has never heard of it 01:51 ais523: Interesting. 01:51 [AU] [D]: bleeko (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 375 points, 913 turns, killed by a kitten 01:51 spellbook of restore ability? 01:51 [US] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) found kitten, on T:582 01:51 Demo1: of repair armor 01:51 ! @ some spots are diggable even at present (the trapdoor spots, if you fill them with a boulder) 01:51 ais523: Maybe it's an evil-ism. 01:51 it is, arahael 01:51 I vaguely remember it existing in a variant, possibly Slash'EM 01:52 Hmm, so scratch that then. 01:52 good thing you checked with chat before wishing for an unimplemented item 01:52 -!- Demo1 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:52 ais523: Heh, well, I'd have another chance nayway. 01:52 -!- Demo has joined #tnnt 01:52 Hard to think of wishes though. 01:52 anyway, one reason why wishing for markers is good is that you can use up the whole marker on ?oEA to fooproof all your armor anyway 01:52 Thinking I might as well finally wish for that ring of slow digestion, though for now I still have plenty of food. 01:53 Oh, that reminds me, what helm is best? 01:53 I've a +5 orcish helm. 01:54 generically, the helm of telepathy is best; some characters prefer a helm of brilliance 01:54 that should be good enough 01:54 but the improvement over an orcish helm is pretty minor unless you need to be able to cast high-level spells 01:54 +7 elven would give highest ac 01:54 and thus need a helm of brilliance 01:55 ais523: Yeah, I mean, I'm a monk, but even so, my casting is Good Enough. 01:55 right, the HoB is more of a specialty option that fixes one specific problem 01:55 extrinsic telepathy can be super-helpful, especially in the early game (so it's a bit less important at this point) 01:56 Yeah, and I can get the eye anyway, I haven't even done the quest yet, I simply have an absurd number of wishes. 01:57 greasing a helm can be helpful against mind flayers (although it isn't 100% to save you) 01:57 Right, and I've been doing that. 01:57 if you aren't going genoless, a few scrolls of genocide can be a good option (either wished for directly or written) 01:57 not gonna need that with astral vision 01:57 I just had three mmf's, though. 01:58 ais523: Already got that. 01:58 being a monk, you won't have to fear accidentally genoing dwarves trying to get rid of mind flayers (although beware of the space in "master mind flayer") 01:59 -!- a-1 has joined #tnnt 01:59 The mmf's don't seem to be that bad at the moment, although if one turns up while rodney's chasing me, that could be another matter. 01:59 I think a full set of helpful genos is LRm; and energy vortex, mind flayer, master mind flayer, also D if not using reflection 01:59 have I missed any? 01:59 are there items you still expect to acquire (without wishes)? 01:59 LRm? 02:00 liches, rust monster/disenachnater, mimics, sea creatures 02:00 tinklebear: Ah, perhaps disnechanters are a good one. 02:00 I often wish for genocide even if I'm doing genocideless. 02:00 tinklebear: I'm not sure. I mean, heck, as it is I'm thinking of wishing up a ring. (slow digestion) 02:00 my usual genocides are Lm; and if I get an odd one from a throne, mmf 02:00 summoning nurses, dragons, purple worms, cockatrices can all be useful in some situations 02:01 I've even wished up a +RestoreAbility. 02:01 [US] [D]: allanb (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 876 points, 4247 turns, killed by a jackal 02:01 I like getting rid of disenchanters too sometimes 02:01 although they make decent pets 02:01 Maybe I just need to wish up a bunch of markers later. 02:01 I've wished for blessed potion of restore ability before, in 3.6. 02:01 I usually find plenty of wands (death, teleport), but it is always possible to get shafted by RNG 02:02 Oh that's an excellent idea, I should wish up a wand of death. Can I recharge them? 02:02 I wished for potions of restore ability after vlad drained me like 5-6 levels once 02:02 wand of death seems reasonable, killing rodney on sight is usually a good strat 02:02 yes, afaik death recharges like any normal wand 02:02 [US] habib (Bar Orc Mal Cha) made his first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:27581 02:03 [US] efot (Hea Gno Fem Neu) entered the Planes, on T:43563 02:04 tinklebear: So I can recharge the one wand indefinitely? 02:04 Until it explodes. 02:04 ^exactly 02:04 wands are more likely to explode the more they're recharged 02:04 Perhaps I'll wait for orcus's wand then. 02:04 maximum is 7 recharges 02:04 Although... A wand of death could be useful for Kaen. 02:04 it could! 02:05 oh, wait. does he get MR from the eyes? 02:05 * tinklebear hasn't played a monk in years 02:05 he doesn't put them on, so no 02:05 he might have a CoMR though 02:05 unless he has it from some other source 02:06 tinklebear: Sometimes. 02:06 And CoMR is a low chance. 02:06 i see 02:06 (I've got that too) 02:06 [US] [D]: WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1031 points, 2130 turns, killed by an Uruk-hai (and 3 other games not reported) 02:07 [US] [D]: Cuchullain (Val Dwa Fem Law), 8708 points, 8022 turns, killed by an earth elemental of Odin 02:07 [EU] noims (Mon Hum Fem Neu) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:18644 02:09 [AU] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:23822 02:09 [US] efot (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed Famine, on T:43808 02:09 [US] Corbin (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:54388 02:09 [US] anselmus (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:9074 02:10 [US] [D]: allanb (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 118 points, 815 turns, killed by a kobold 02:10 [US] [D]: rvcx (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 258 points, 1678 turns, killed by a small mimic (and 5 other games not reported) 02:11 [AU] [D]: bleeko (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 620 points, 2150 turns, killed by a gnome lord 02:11 yesh: You add the "magic missile" spell to your repertoire. 02:12 only had 2 zaps of poly 02:12 left 02:12 \o/ 02:12 [US] [A]: efot (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 1810316 points, 43855 turns, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/e/efot/tnnt/dumplog/1700654693.tnnt.html 02:12 [US] kcostell (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:35903 02:13 [US] kcostell (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:35913 02:16 [US] Nesta (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1993 02:18 lol, ais double-featured in two double-bones in efot's dungeon 02:18 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 02:18 gg 02:19 GG efot 02:19 thanks :) 02:19 oh yeah crazy amounts of bones...and mostly priests 02:19 [US] [D]: Nesta (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 532 points, 2294 turns, killed by a homunculus (and 2 other games not reported) 02:20 [US] habib (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:27839 02:21 [US] kcostell (Val Hum Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:36159 02:21 [US] [D]: Nesta (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 21 points, 236 turns, killed by a bear trap 02:22 achievements 02:22 [US] klepto (Bar Orc Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:10465 02:22 wrong window 02:24 [US] crunchbubba (Ran Gno Mal Neu) wished for "marker", on T:165418 02:24 * tinklebear ponders how efot obtained the bell of invocation without polyself 02:24 I poly'd the cyclops 02:24 [US] [D]: klepto (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 30252 points, 10581 turns, killed by a flesh golem 02:24 neat! 02:25 it's my favorite way of dealing with him...because unlike the wand of death, poly doesn't miss 02:25 haha 02:27 a) is there a chance it polys the quest artifact? b) I didn't realise /oPoly was perfect accuracy 02:27 [US] [D]: WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1213 points, 1647 turns, killed by a rothe 02:27 I've never had that happen 02:28 it would have to be on the floor, afaik 02:28 right 02:28 I think the condition of polymorphing the inventory is that the monster dies of system shock. 02:28 [US] [D]: Nesta (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 171 points, 757 turns, killed by a gnome lord 02:28 oh wow 02:28 I've had that happen to a pet...but never the cyclops 02:32 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 02:32 [US] [D]: allanb (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 528 points, 1847 turns, killed by bleeko's ghost, while frozen by a potion 02:33 $lastgame allanb 02:33 cathartes: [US] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/a/allanb/tnnt/dumplog/1700791835.tnnt.html 02:33 [US] crunchbubba (Ran Gno Mal Neu) wished for "unholy water", on T:165516 02:34 that's going to be triple-bones, if it left bones 02:34 wow 02:35 of course it would leave bones, because of the bone devils in there 02:35 tour cut short by devils on Dlvl 4 02:35 [US] [D]: a1 (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 6896 points, 8218 turns, killed by a hill orc, while sleeping off a magical draught 02:35 $lastgame a1 02:35 a-1: [US] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/a/a1/tnnt/dumplog/1700774407.tnnt.html 02:36 [EU] Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu) found kitten, on T:1668 02:38 [EU] Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu) destroyed rvcx's ghost, the former Evoker, on T:1960 02:39 -!- Elenmirie_ has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 02:40 -!- arahael_ has joined #tnnt 02:41 -!- jientho has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:44 [US] [D]: k2 (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 845 points, 954 turns, killed by a bone devil 02:44 [US] tjw (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) had Werebane bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:16406 02:45 [US] allanb (Tou Hum Mal Neu) found kitten, on T:1214 02:46 Man, those incubuses are dangerous. 02:47 [EU] [D]: Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 2121 points, 3168 turns, killed by a rope golem 02:48 [US] kcostell (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:36261 02:48 [US] kcostell (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:36263 02:51 [US] [D]: a1 (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 31 points, 150 turns, killed by a jackal 02:53 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 02:53 [US] tjw (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) removed efot's uncursed bag of holding from the swap chest, on T:16686 02:54 [US] Bean (Val Hum Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:23755 02:54 [US] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) found kitten, on T:804 02:54 [US] [D]: k2 (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 550 points, 2646 turns, poisoned by a rotted gnome corpse 02:57 [EU] [D]: spontiff (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 382 points, 920 turns, zapped himself with a wand 02:58 "Kill a monster of each class from A to Z (except I)" <-- Why except I? 02:58 Oh, d'oh. Because I's only for suspected creatures. 02:59 tilting at windmills with shockingly few blades 03:00 Hourly Stats at 2023-11-24 03:00 UTC: Games: 23, Asc: 1, Scum: 4. 1d 00:06 gametime. (53%Neu), 6d 20:59 remaining. 03:03 [US] Bean (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "Blessed magic marker", on T:24635 03:04 -!- fakepass_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:04 [US] [D]: Corbin (Val Hum Fem Law), 234915 points, 55881 turns, killed by a minotaur 03:04 [US] [D]: a1 (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 1308 points, 1160 turns, killed by a magic missile 03:05 [US] [D]: WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1549 points, 1793 turns, killed by a killer bee (and 4 other games not reported) 03:05 [US] Bean (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:24946 03:06 30 turns should be long enough to wait for purple L to show up? 03:08 [US] Bean (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:25286 03:08 [EU] noims (Mon Hum Fem Neu) removed karafruit's blessed fireproof +5 cloak of magic resistance from the swap chest, on T:23239 03:09 -!- blankman has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:09 -!- Bleeko has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:09 I needed that cloak so much. Very nice donation, karafruit. Cheers. 03:09 [US] Cuchullain (Bar Hum Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3011 03:10 nice 03:10 -!- blankman has joined #tnnt 03:10 * tinklebear just discovered that you can dig down with a pick-axe while mounted 03:10 [US] Bean (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:25451 03:10 what skill is needed for that? basic? 03:11 [US] wintergalaxy88 (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:5343 03:11 it seems a little physically difficult 03:11 it does! 03:11 enjoy, noims! 03:11 [EU] noims (Mon Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:23433 03:11 I am unskilled in pick-axe 03:12 I was thinking more of riding skill 03:12 [EU] noims (Mon Hum Fem Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:23454 03:12 ah, expert riding 03:12 does pick-axe skill even help with digging? 03:12 I imagine it does... but I also had imagined that digging down with a pick-axe is impossible while mounted (and would just attack your pet) 03:12 [US] [D]: wintergalaxy88 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 8975 points, 5729 turns, killed by an ettin mummy, while frozen by a monster's gaze 03:13 I am trying to work out whether this is a bug or not 03:13 [US] [D]: wintergalaxy88 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 105 points, 165 turns, killed by a jackal 03:13 I did it accidentally/absentmindedly, and was surprised by the result 03:14 anyways, for the record, I happen to have expert riding skill, and don't know the threshold, if any 03:14 [US] Bean (Val Hum Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:25917 03:14 [US] Bean (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:25918 03:15 [EU] Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3071 03:15 [EU] Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3118 03:15 [US] Bean (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "Blessed wand of death", on T:25958 03:20 [US] allanb (Tou Hum Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3499 03:21 [US] [D]: wintergalaxy88 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 655 points, 1914 turns, killed by a rabid rat 03:21 [US] [D]: lambda (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 265 points, 2112 turns, killed by a hobbit 03:22 [US] Bean (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:26936 03:23 [US] [D]: efot (Cav Gno Fem Neu), 10995 points, 7060 turns, killed by a giant mimic 03:23 [EU] [D]: Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 6824 points, 4166 turns, killed by an ochre jelly 03:24 -!- ais523 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:25 [US] wintergalaxy88 (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (mind flayer), on T:1846 03:25 [US] anselmus (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed fixed +1 speed boots", on T:10246 03:27 [US] wintergalaxy88 (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed spontiff's ghost, the former Plunderer, on T:2414 03:27 [US] [D]: allanb (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 3208 points, 3828 turns, killed by an Uruk-hai called Gorathos of Uunu 03:28 [EU] noims (Mon Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "the blessed fixed +3 staff of aesculapius", on T:24596 03:28 [US] Furey (Rog Orc Mal Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Kos, on T:49729 03:30 [EU] noims (Mon Hum Fem Neu) had Vorpal Blade bestowed upon her by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:24659 03:31 -!- ais523 has joined #tnnt 03:32 [US] [D]: efot (Cav Gno Fem Neu), 316 points, 1850 turns, killed by a bear trap 03:34 -!- Noims has quit [Quit: Client closed] 03:35 -!- Noims has joined #tnnt 03:36 [US] telegarn (Mon Hum Mal Cha) destroyed karibou's ghost, the former Student of Stones, on T:16238 03:37 [US] Bean (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:28700 03:38 [US] Bean (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:28706 03:38 Ogre with a random wand of death. I now even have death. 03:38 Wand of Death (0:4) 03:39 -!- karafruit has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 03:39 [US] Bean (Val Hum Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:28914 03:41 [US] Bean (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:29022 03:41 [US] Bean (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:29025 03:44 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #tnnt 03:46 [US] [D]: lambda (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 54 points, 460 turns, killed by a jackal 03:47 [EU] noims (Mon Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:25263 03:49 [US] [D]: allanb (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 627 points, 2675 turns, killed by a giant bat, while sleeping 03:50 [AU] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:28578 03:51 [US] [D]: efot (Cav Gno Fem Neu), 519 points, 1529 turns, killed by a wand 03:53 *sigh*, 7 more rings to go. 03:54 [US] wintergalaxy88 (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:8366 03:56 [US] Bean (Val Hum Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:30921 03:56 [US] Bean (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:30921 03:56 the nazgul rings, arahael? or something else? 03:57 -!- kewldewd has joined #tnnt 03:57 [US] [D]: wintergalaxy88 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 15663 points, 9439 turns, killed by a wand 03:59 maybe 7 rings needed until all rings are identified? 04:00 Hourly Stats at 2023-11-24 04:00 UTC: Games: 15, Asc: 0, Scum: 0. 99761 turns, 285978 points. (67%Neu), 6d 19:59 remaining. 04:00 [US] wintergalaxy88 (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (mind flayer), on T:825 04:02 [US] Bean (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Death, on T:31197 04:02 [US] [D]: lambda (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 212 points, 1365 turns, killed by touching Grimtooth 04:03 good evening, Loggers. I was thinking more about poison-attacks in hell 04:03 good evening. glad to see someone else pondering this topic 04:03 :D 04:03 [US] Bean (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Death (5 times), on T:31270 04:03 they pose a threat to many pets, and a *contigent* threat to any player, via gremlins 04:03 [US] eitlarry (Arc Dwa Mal Law) entered the Planes, on T:45512 04:04 so it's sort of a flavor/atmosphere thing 04:04 [US] Bean (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Death (10 times), on T:31336 04:04 -!- Elenmirie_ has joined #tnnt 04:04 similar to the fire traps, I guess 04:04 [US] [A]: Bean (Val Hum Fem Law), 2067073 points, 31364 turns, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/B/Bean/tnnt/dumplog/1700690356.tnnt.html 04:05 yeah, I see what you mean 04:05 but honestly, when has a poison attack really worried you in hell, besides for your pet 04:05 (plus pets can gain intrinsics from corpses in 3.7) 04:06 -!- arahael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:06 -!- efot has quit [Quit: Client closed] 04:06 [EU] Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu) consumed animal products (cream pie) for the first time, on T:5177 04:07 [US] knnn (Pri Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:7791 04:07 [US] knnn (Pri Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:7856 04:07 I've lost poison resistance maybe once? 04:08 but I am aware of the risk gremlins pose 04:08 they're easy to kill, if you know they *need* to be killed 04:09 and I guess that's sort of the point. they're very easy to kill, but pose a threat 04:09 yeah gremlins are a big threat if you aren't yet aware they can steal intrinsics 04:09 so, like, when "monsters appear from nowhere",... 04:09 and you've got to determine who needs killing first... 04:10 then it makes the decisions somewhat more interesting 04:10 or can, I suppose 04:11 [EU] noims (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Croesus, on T:26635 04:11 okay, so gremlins aren't nasties, but you get the idea 04:12 I agree, but I think the effects of losing poison resistance is a bit too harsh on new players and pretty trivial to completely avoid for experienced players. though that might link back around to a problem I think the whole game has, where it's excessively mean to new players and too lenient on veterans 04:12 what do you mean, "gremlins aren't nasties"? https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Summon_nasties#Nasties 04:13 anyway, that's a discussion I think is pretty interesting. I'm off to bed now, though! 04:13 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 04:13 I stand corrected, cathartes 04:14 * tinklebear now wonders what M2_NASTY flag, which gremlins do not have, does stand for 04:16 apparently M2_NASTY gives more xp for killing, and monsters that generate with weapons might get better ones. https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/M2_NASTY 04:17 [US] [D]: lambda (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 245 points, 1780 turns, killed by a jackal, while praying 04:17 [EU] noims (Mon Hum Fem Neu) genocided disenchanter, on T:26977 04:17 interesting 04:19 [EU] [D]: Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 8380 points, 6826 turns, killed by a mumak 04:19 [US] eitlarry (Arc Dwa Mal Law) wished for "blessed cockatrice corpse", on T:45813 04:20 [AU] [D]: unit327 (Ran Orc Fem Cha), 10408 points, 8703 turns, killed by a gargoyle 04:22 -!- Noims has quit [Quit: Client closed] 04:22 [US] [Q]: wintergalaxy88 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 9785 points, 7485 turns, quit 04:23 $lastgame unit327 04:23 unit327: [AU] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/u/unit327/tnnt/dumplog/1700550079.tnnt.html 04:23 [US] Furey (Rog Orc Mal Cha) was chosen to take lives for the Glory of Kos, on T:52712 04:23 now I am wondering what color late-game escapes aer 04:23 (early-game escapes presumably don't show up at all) 04:24 …also what letter is used for ascension in celestial disgrace (which I think might be a sort of escape internally?) 04:24 forgot to wield the bow, like an idiot, rip my streak 04:24 there's also panics, but the days of the trickery trophy are hopefully over 04:25 [US] eitlarry (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed Famine, on T:45903 04:25 d4294967296$d4294967296$ 04:25 (pretty sure that one got fixed) 04:28 [US] DekaFumoPuzzle (Hea Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7281 04:29 [US] [A]: eitlarry (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 2465240 points, 45935 turns, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/e/eitlarry/tnnt/dumplog/1700335204.tnnt.html 04:31 OK, looks like it was fixed by not parsing counts above 32767 04:31 …which is kind-of broken as it's entirely plausible to have more gold than that 04:32 the feedback for throwing ammo without a launcher equipped is sneaky. I imagine the DM narrating it with a barely disguised grin 04:33 [US] [D]: Bean (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 1295 points, 2384 turns, killed by a wand 04:36 [US] wintergalaxy88 (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (mind flayer), on T:3443 04:37 [US] [D]: a1 (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 1816 points, 4399 turns, killed by a rabid rat 04:37 [US] knnn (Pri Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed fixed eye of the aethiopica", on T:11171 04:38 [US] wintergalaxy88 (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed unit327's ghost, the former Trailblazer, on T:4240 04:40 [US] wintergalaxy88 (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur, on T:4770 04:41 [US] schoen (Bar Hum Fem Neu) destroyed malor's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:12000 04:43 looks like wintergalaxy88 is already putting your cloak of displacement to use, unit327 04:44 (maybe. they got your bones, and uncursed some cloak in a fountain) 04:44 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:47 aw rip unit327 04:47 [US] [D]: mikew999 (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 96 points, 973 turns, killed by a newt, while fainted from lack of food 04:47 the last of the perfect records i think 04:49 -!- Grasshopper has joined #tnnt 04:52 So, I killed a wood golem and took it's bounty of quarterstaves to the shop 04:52 turns out one is +5! 04:53 so I can hit things with that until Magicbane 04:53 wow 04:53 * anselmus started with b?EW and +3 staff really helped 04:55 yeah, it is worth burning any starting ?oEW on your staff 04:55 an extra +1 or +2 can make a big difference 04:57 [AU] [D]: unit327 (Ran Orc Fem Cha), 909 points, 2430 turns, killed by a dwarf 04:57 BTW anselmus, I'm rockin' the silver dragon scales you left in the swapchest 04:58 -!- xdminsy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:58 -!- xdminsy has joined #tnnt 05:00 Hourly Stats at 2023-11-24 05:00 UTC: Games: 12, Asc: 2, Scum: 0. 113673 turns, 4565459 points. (58%Hum), 6d 18:59 remaining. 05:02 yeah i saw that :) 05:03 someone said it was 1/3 chance and i didn't realize they meant each server 05:03 [US] [D]: lambda (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 561 points, 3079 turns, killed by a gnome 05:03 so i thought stuff was getting lost 05:04 [US] crunchbubba (Ran Gno Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:169849 05:04 [US] crunchbubba (Ran Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:169851 05:04 [US] [D]: mikew999 (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 208 points, 948 turns, killed by a small mimic 05:05 [EU] [D]: Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 7534 points, 3940 turns, killed by an air elemental 05:05 [AU] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:15562 05:07 hopefully someone made good use out of the +9 longsword and 12 blessed tins of spinach I put in last time 05:08 [US] [D]: a1 (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 1190 points, 1747 turns, killed by a giant bat (and one other game not reported) 05:10 -!- martinp_ has joined #tnnt 05:10 crunch put in a +9 saber today 05:12 -!- martinp has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:13 [US] crunchbubba (Ran Gno Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:170056 05:13 carefully crafted by elder weaponsmiths of a bygone age 05:14 [US] [D]: a1 (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 36 points, 456 turns, killed by a kobold zombie 05:16 -!- martinp has joined #tnnt 05:16 [US] [D]: mikew999 (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 206 points, 905 turns, killed by a newt 05:18 I think current swapchest changes are 60% to stay on the same server, 20% to move to each of the others 05:18 -!- martinp_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:19 ideally it would be weighted by the number of swapchest donations on each server, e.g. if 60% are going to US, 30% to EU, 10% to AU, each item should be 60% to go to the US swap chest, 30% to EU, 10% to AU 05:20 excellent idea, ais523! 05:20 * docpi also sees his cornuthaum wander away.. 05:20 although that creates a reduced amount of choice on AU 05:21 -!- Elenmirie_ has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 05:21 * anselmus calls for immediate swap embargo 05:21 (same average quality, just fewer choices, which could be ap roblem) 05:21 Oh, I misread that, ais523. If the ratios were reversed, in order to balance out the flow, then it would be a great idea 05:21 you mean the AU will have less turnover, so a player coming back later will see the same stuff? 05:21 * docpi revokes the "excellent" status from ais523's ideas. 05:22 * docpi revokes the "excellent" status from ais523's idea. 05:22 [US] [D]: arthur (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 1353 points, 3519 turns, poisoned by a killer bee 05:22 (just that one. other ideas not affected) 05:22 the problem at the moment is that a quantity of items tend to accumulate in the AU server, and to a lesser extent EU 05:22 whereas US is often barren 05:22 * docpi ohs 05:22 Oh? 05:23 [US] knnn (Pri Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:14920 05:23 au players should be required to donate 3 times the number of items 05:23 And what if all swap chests shared the same pool? 05:23 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 05:23 I'm sure they would have implemented that if they could. 05:24 US generally has a very high quantity of items, but the good items are taken more quickly than they replenish, so often there isn't much 05:24 [US] [D]: mikew999 (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 91 points, 756 turns, killed by a bear trap 05:24 it is hard to synchronize this sort of thing cross-continent 05:24 The choice of server depends mainly on network performance, so there should be no penalty for trying to play nethack without "lag frag". 05:24 play on US server if you want to have more successful swap chest donations, and on AU if you want better stuff from the swap chest 05:25 Did that term exist before? Did I just invent it? 05:25 * anselmus sues au.hardfought for emotional distress, hardship and suffering 05:25 nah I was getting lag fragged in DooM 30 years ago 05:25 anselmus, are you advocating the introduction of a new role of Lawyer to nethack? 05:26 I have some role ideas that I think might be fun to play, but that is not one of them 05:26 you can play it, but it won't be fun 05:26 * docpi spots Grasshopper as ol- _vintage_ 05:26 (historically I think most NetHack roles came about based on "wouldn't it be fun if the game had X" and then tried to find mechanics to match – but starting with the mechanics and fitting flavour to them is more likely to create distinctive roles) 05:26 heh, I bloody invented WSAD 05:27 It would be an absurd role to play, with a lot of quirks. Lateral thinking required, etc. 05:27 [AU] unit327 (Ran Orc Fem Cha) destroyed unit327's ghost, the former Lookout, on T:1778 05:27 I mean, I was playing that today, but in nomic not NetHack 05:27 Grasshopper, WSAD? 05:27 and, really, rules lawyering is par for the course in NetHack, but it comes up with exploits like the 200 meatball steal 05:27 docpi, if your've ever played FPS (first person shooter) games then you'd know what WSAD is 05:28 so it's a metagame thing rather than something you do ingame 05:28 [US] knnn (Pri Hum Fem Neu) removed Bean's +0 pair of speed boots from the swap chest, on T:15296 05:28 I remember seeing some fun ridiculous exploits recently, either on the wiki or in this channel 05:28 WSAD = controls for forward/back/sidestep left/sidestep right 05:28 oh, sidestep? 05:28 strafe = sidestep 05:29 no, I was thinking that the controls have changed a bit 05:29 I used to speedrun Neverwinter Nights, where the controls are WS = forward/backward, AD = turn left/right, QE = strafe left/right 05:29 so sidestep on AD is a bit different from what I'm used to 05:30 Grasshopper, Duke Nukem 3D, Half Life, and Jedi Knight 05:30 ais523, DooM and WSAD pre-date neverwinter nights 05:30 what's the control for turning, if sidestepping is on AD? arrow keys? 05:30 [US] [D]: a1 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 660 points, 2050 turns, killed by a1's ghost 05:30 I never used sidestep, even back then. It would make me too dizzy.- 05:30 so they just adapted it 05:30 Grasshopper: naturally, but there must have been a change in control scheme at some point 05:31 docpi, you sidestep with keys and use mouse to turn 05:31 I neve used the mouse, either. 05:31 otherwise you are not "competitive" with top players 05:31 To move, that is, just for aiming 05:31 ah, in NWN you can use the mouse to move, and when playing current patch you pretty much have to because you're running so much +movespeed that you wouldn't be able to control it otherwise 05:31 ais523, Doom as configurable, but came with arrow keys for movement by default 05:32 Grasshopper, I was not competitive, but I had a lot of fun. 05:32 but, you can also use either the mouse or the keyboard to do menus, and you can run when the menu is open 05:32 so, a lot of speedrunning is about accurately running with one hand whilst menuing with the other 05:32 soon after the deathmatch explosion, WSAD became the norm for such game, even by default 05:32 I prefer to play original patch, using WASD to run and the mouse to menu 05:32 docpi, I have some trophies 05:32 "Fragmaster" etc 05:33 but the current patch speedrunners do it the other way round (mouse to run, keyboard to menu) 05:33 [EU] Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu) destroyed a1's ghost, the former Sightseer, on T:1305 05:33 I haven't played in ages, though, because the original patch needs a physical CD drive to work 05:33 and I no longer have one of those 05:34 I dropped out of the whole FPS game somewhere into Quake/Unreal 05:34 decided to focus on a real job and real relationships 05:34 but yeah, the controls were all fully customisable 05:35 I used number and function keys for menu-type stuff 05:35 just like NH4 :-) 05:35 I wonder what a WASD scheme would look like there 05:35 I think most WASD roguelikes either don't permit diagonals, or use QEZC 05:36 ais523, are we talking WSAD in FPS games or roguelikes? 05:36 there is a Doom themed roguelike 05:36 quite difficult 05:36 Grasshopper: wondering about reconfiguring NH4 to use WASD 05:37 just as a thought experiment rather than a way to actually play 05:37 I am happy with hjklyubn 05:37 yeah WSAD doesn't work with diagonals 05:38 [EU] [D]: Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 1216 points, 1895 turns, zapped himself with a wand 05:38 (and the difference between NetHack and Doom is that in Doom running backwards is rarer than running forwards, in NetHack you go south about as often as you go north) 05:38 I used to do level design in DooM 05:38 (but things go south even more often than the character does) 05:38 mostly deathmatch, but I did a single player one too 05:38 people still download them, surprisingly 05:39 ais523, I'd run backwards in Doom fairly often 05:39 mostly while strafing someone with a chaingun, or maybe a rocket launcher 05:39 [US] knnn (Pri Hum Fem Neu) had Vorpal Blade bestowed upon her by Mog, on T:16079 05:40 well, yes, but forwards is more common, and using the same finger for forwards and backwards doesn't hurt that much 05:40 the game helped me develop an understanding of what is around me, even when I can't see it 05:40 [US] [D]: arthur (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 295 points, 846 turns, killed by a giant bat 05:40 has our clan stopped completely playing 05:40 [US] DekaFumoPuzzle (Hea Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a rock piercer, on T:11888 05:41 zero activity since my asc yesterday 05:41 yes, mostly we don't try to move both forwards and backwards at the same time 05:41 [US] schoen (Bar Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (class ;), on T:16210 05:41 found qwesti's ghost 05:41 [US] [D]: a1 (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 44 points, 154 turns, killed by an exploding chest 05:42 [AU] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Qwesti's ghost, the former Bandit, on T:16291 05:42 anselmus: I haven't been playing today, although I may try again later in the tournament 05:42 oh no.... 05:42 I tame Qweesti's pet cat "Ruule" 05:43 and when I killed then ghost, the cat ate his body 05:43 YUM YUM 05:43 [US] [D]: mikew999 (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 306 points, 1688 turns, killed by a gnome lord 05:44 ais523: not criticizing per se, you have more than me. just seeing if that's our plan for the rest of the tourney 05:45 I assume we don't actually have a plan 05:45 I have been trying to ascend role combinations we haven't done yet, without repeating roles 05:45 but it's getting very difficult to find such combinations that I'm actually capable of winning 05:46 so I may have to start either repeating roles or repeating combinations 05:46 it is quite possible that I have a higher z-score for this tournament than for all the games I've played outside it 05:46 (not quite sure how many valks I've ascended outside, there were lots but mostly local) 05:47 actually I think I have one wizard and one knight (local) from outside 05:47 but this tournament, I have val ran bar cav wiz 05:47 [US] crunchbubba (Ran Gno Mal Neu) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:170613 05:47 so you're ok with seppuku 05:48 that said, the early game feels so luck-based in 3.6 05:48 [US] crunchbubba (Ran Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:170617 05:48 because we're about to lose the lead 05:48 which lead 05:48 there are a lot of different leaderboards 05:48 [US] [D]: lambda (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 635 points, 2712 turns, killed by an elf zombie 05:49 if it's "ascended combinations", that is likely to be lost because of the people who can do unwon combinations not trying them 05:49 Grasshopper, custom levels? 05:50 if I wanted to maximise asc rate for the rest of the tournament, I could decide to play just valks, but that wouldn't help with combinations at all 05:50 yes, claiming victory in the categories that mattered despite defeat was a popular tactic in devnull days 05:51 on things like achievements we are well behind already 05:51 So, ais523, you are praising the wisdom of the TNNT organizers for having balanced the achievements, and trophies to a point of keeping the competition interesting. 05:51 docpi, yes all completely custom 05:51 docpi: I like the multiple leaderboards idea 05:52 I meant, Grasshopper, whether you were part of the grou which developed the original DooM back then. 05:52 we don't have a unique deaths specialist so are unlikely to catch up there 05:52 docpi, to I wasn't with ID games 05:52 and, wow, we're 10 combinations behind the leaders in unique combinations now 05:52 docpi, no I wasn't with ID games 05:52 Okay. 05:52 * docpi has suffered a few unusual, and creative, deaths 05:53 and slightly behind in z-score, although that's hard to maximise at the same time as unique combinatoins because you have to repeat, say, Tou a lot 05:53 was for the Doom scene, particularly deathmatch 05:53 the Doom editing community is still active today 05:53 -!- Arseniy has joined #tnnt 05:54 Probably my best level, "Night2.0" or "Good-ii", players would regularly rack up over 100 frags in just 5 minutes 05:54 [US] [D]: arthur (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 506 points, 1682 turns, killed by a rabid rat 05:55 Grasshopper: how many players on that level at once? 05:55 and yet you felt like you were hunting and lurking 05:55 that frag rate is 1 per 3 seconds, which kind-of implies spawncamping 05:55 ais523, 4 player at once 05:55 s 05:55 unless it's across all players, so 1 per 12 seconds per player, which is more reasonable 05:55 ais523: where is ascended combos? 05:56 i only see most asc 05:56 no, someone scored over 120 frags in 5 minutes during a tournament 05:56 anselmus: all the leaderboards are at https://tnnt.org/leaderboards 05:56 I played in same tourney and only got to ~80 or so 05:56 there's a "select leaderboard" at the top if you're using a JavaScript browser, otherwise scroll down 05:57 oh most unique ascended combos 05:57 unless the rounds were longer than 5 minutes, maybe I don't recall that bit properly 05:57 didn't even know that existed 05:57 felt like longer than 5 minutes lol 05:58 but do you think that's what gandelf is aiming for right now 05:58 because it looks like they're trying to beat us in most asc 05:58 in the final round of that tournament I scored the first every confirmed "triple frag" 05:58 anyway, our clan's rules are "do whatever you want", I think – I have been doing balance testing for the devteam and learning early-game balance with a range of different roles, Arseniy has been doing 1-of-each-role-but-random-gender-race-alignment streaking 05:58 all 3 opponents with a single shot 05:58 and you've been playing gametime/lowscore semi-speedruns 05:59 after that, triple frags became more common, as people were trying for them :D 06:00 Current Day as of 2023-11-24 06:00 UTC: Games: 105, Asc: 3, Scum: 26. 428605 turns, 7024178 points. 4d 18:07 gametime. (25%Tou), (49%Hum), (54%Neu), (57%Mal), 6d 17:59 remaining. 06:00 i think these were supposed to be secondary achievements 06:00 as of this year I think there's no primary leaderboard, people can aim for whatever they like 06:00 at Junethack I was aiming for (and got) "most variants ascended" 06:00 that would be your interpretation hehe 06:00 playing entirely valks 06:01 anselmus: you're acting like there's some other valid interpretation 06:01 well why else would our clan be the first on the clans page then 06:01 For the 2021 tournament, the TNNT website (not the game itself) was reimplemented from the ground up, primarily to get it written in Python instead of Perl, for maintainability reasons. This year also saw a big change to scoring — players and clans are no longer assigned points for each kind of accomplishment, and instead of only showing the top player in various game metrics, a series of leaderboards show all players and clans competing in them. 06:02 the clans list has to be sorted by something, I guess 06:02 [EU] [D]: NetSysFire (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 521 points, 813 turns, killed by a dwarf 06:02 don't you think a reasonable person would look at the clans list and assume that it is a ranking 06:03 no 06:03 if it were a ranking it would be numbered 06:03 especially since it's sorted by number of ascs 06:04 but it feels like you're badgering the rest of us somewhat purely to increase asc rate 06:04 anselmus was arguing this in the aftermath of last year's TNNT and is still arguing it now? 06:04 i never said that 06:04 [US] gruefood (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed the Cyclops, on T:27189 06:05 err, asc rate per realtime day, not asc rate per game played 06:05 (I have been trying to lower our clan's asc rate by the latter metric, without too much success :-D) 06:05 [US] gruefood (Hea Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:27194 06:05 just wondering if our clan is basically done for the tourney 06:05 people will play when they have tim eto 06:05 and when they have the inclination to 06:06 most "aesthetic" would be for me to try to win a sixth role, in a combination that the clan hasn't done 06:06 but that would mean lawful human priest, which I have been trying but is currently beyond my abilities 06:07 I could almost certainly do it with an early wand of wishing, but I don't get those very often 06:07 i always commit to 5 per devnull hat trick 06:07 I've always thought overall asc was the main category precisely because list pf players/cals is sorted by it 06:07 or I could try to learn, which I have been, but may not learn it fast enough 06:07 although 5 elf wiz would not qualify as one 06:08 I feel like combinations is the most important because so many trophies are based on it 06:08 Arseniy is definitely winning by the old /dev/null/nethack scoring, grand slam with bells on / best of 13 06:09 The "Never Kill..." trophies probably have the best trophy-per-effort ratio. 06:09 only way to beat that is a full monty, which I don't think anyone's close to? 06:10 actually that's a good point, I don't think TNNT's even tracking "total number of conducts scored, not necessarily in the same game" 06:10 [US] [D]: a1 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 835 points, 3031 turns, killed by a dagger 06:10 cathartes: I don't like those much as trophies, especially because apart from Never Kill The Riders, they're all much the same in how you get them 06:10 Also I'm not done, just got sick. 06:10 Junethack has those as achievements rather than trophies, which seems like a better balance 06:10 yes, they are also really cheap conducts to get, once you know how to do them 06:10 Arseniy: that's totally fine, don't force yourself to do it if you aren't feeling up to it 06:11 certainly not with high fever lol 06:11 cathartes: I agree, all you need is a "superascendable character" who's reached the state where they can effectively do anything 06:11 yes i think we've established that participation is voluntary 06:12 [AU] unit327 (Ran Orc Fem Cha) rejected atheism by offering a gnomish wizard corpse on an altar of Mars, on T:3036 06:12 although, such characters would quite possibly be going for the "most achievements in one game" (which there has been, AFAICT, exactly one really serious effort at doing) 06:12 which doesn't conflict with "Never kill…", I think 06:12 There was discussion about tracking conducts separately but I guess the TNNT devteam never got around to implementing that. 06:13 this would be unique conducts, not conducts total, although I guess the latter is also mildly interesting 06:13 I am surprised that I am (tied-) leading most-conducts-in-one-game for our clan with 8 06:13 which doesn't include any of the never-kills 06:13 [US] [D]: arthur (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 579 points, 1878 turns, killed by a kitten 06:13 (it is all the 8 easy ones apart from swapchestless) 06:14 anyway, I turned bones back on, I feel like interaction with other games is part of the charm of TNNT 06:14 so far it has been more lethal than useful, which is unusual for bones, but tournament bones tends to be more dangerous because the players are better 06:14 most people don't go for conducts-per-game. 06:15 that's all great but just saying that i don't think it's an either or situation lol 06:15 (maybe partly because I got the 17 early in the tournament so they don't want to try?) 06:15 (I turned it off in the first place because I some of my playtesting involved playing so aggressively it was close to diving, and you're supposed to turn bones off in that situation) 06:15 I feel like my wishless polypileless ascension (in a role I'd never ascended before) was more impressive conduct-wise 06:16 yeah, "number of conducts" doesn't take into account the difficulty of individual conducts 06:16 karafruit got a nudist ascension but the TNNT leaderboards give no recognition to that 06:16 maybe weight them by the proportion of ascensions that managed them 06:17 [US] schoen (Bar Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:20400 06:17 like, polyselfless is very common to see in ascensions, even accidentally 06:17 the problem is that only conduct players can appreciate conduct ascs 06:17 are you sure? gauging the exact difficulty might be hard if you haven't played it 06:18 but plenty of people get impressed when I do things like containerless, which they have likely never tried 06:18 i just look at 17 conducts and go "well he must've worked really hard" 06:18 (and few people are impressed by things like levitationless and reflectionless) 06:18 (which means that people may have a good idea of conduct difficulty even without playing them) 06:18 I haven't done any carry cap conducts this tournament 06:19 I might have done Hoarder but that's a Junethack achievement, not TNNT 06:19 and the carry cap impact is fairly small 06:19 (it %is% a carry cap conduct, just an easy one) 06:20 17 conducts was like 8 vanilla ones plus a bunch of relatively trivial ones (bonesless, survivor, etc.), plus as many "never kills" as possible 06:20 yes 06:20 it wasn't technically that difficult, I think, past the early game 06:21 I was fairly unimpressed because of how easy most of the conducts were 06:21 but wasn't sure if there were any of the more difficult ones mixed in 06:22 weaponless got difficult in late game 06:22 [US] DekaFumoPuzzle (Hea Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:15888 06:22 ah right, weaponless is mid-tier for conducts I think, I will be impressed by that combined with a slew of easy ones 06:23 [US] kcostell (Val Hum Fem Neu) entered the Planes, on T:37944 06:23 it's hard to rate "multiple easy conducts and a few middling ones" versus very difficult single conducts like pacifist or foodless 06:23 versus meme combinations like atheist pacifist tourist 06:24 foodless without atheist is probably as difficult as vegan if you get an early ring of slow digestion 06:24 (the joke being that those have basically no options to gain alignment and have to resort to ridiculous sources of alignment to enter the quest) 06:24 [US] schoen (Bar Hum Fem Neu) removed stagnate's 4 potions of holy water from the swap chest, on T:21013 06:24 there are lots of different options, but I think they all involve early =oSD 06:25 [US] [D]: arthur (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 372 points, 1218 turns, killed by an acidic corpse 06:25 failed polyself is probably the most consistent, to the extent that some conduct players have an unofficial "no failed polyself" conduct to go with foodless to make it more impressive 06:25 =oSD speedrun is probably the most fun 06:25 [US] knnn (Pri Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +2 gray dragon scale armor", on T:18840 06:26 I'm not sure how hard it is to develop the skills to do that; I imagine it's consistent (given =oSD) once you learn it but it may be pretty hard to learn 06:26 I am not quite fast enough at present to pull it off 06:27 [US] schoen (Bar Hum Fem Neu) genocided class L, on T:21480 06:27 how would sd help with speedrun 06:27 anselmus: it's the other way round, speedrun helps with =oSD 06:27 [US] crunchbubba (Ran Gno Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:172048 06:27 if you start with an =oSD and can win within 18000 turns (and don't get hit by Famine) 06:27 your starting nutrition can carry you through the whole game, assuming no ring/amulet/displace hunger 06:28 [US] schoen (Bar Hum Fem Neu) genocided class R, on T:21485 06:28 oh ok 06:30 [US] [D]: sirteapot (Pri Hum Mal Law), 1505 points, 2144 turns, killed by a magic missile 06:30 ooh, amulet of yendor causes amulet hunger even when only carried – this implies the actual timer is a bit shorter, because the asc run counts double 06:30 (can't stash or avoid carrying that thing) 06:33 looking at the conduct wiki, i think it definitely needs to address difficulty 06:33 just explains what they are 06:34 can you make rodney carry it for you? 06:34 NH4 tracks every single trinsic as a conduct in the xlog, separately for intrinsic, extrinsic and timeouted sources 06:35 [US] [D]: quervo1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 593 points, 1393 turns, killed by an imp 06:35 but this isn't printed in the endgame summary because it'd be way too spammy 06:35 it makes it possible to reverse-engineer conducts after the fact if you want to, though 06:35 Nesta: yes but not between levels 06:35 so it'd be a huge pain to get it up the stairs 06:36 I think one method that works is to drop it inside Juiblex 06:37 [US] sirteapot (Pri Hum Mal Law) had Demonbane bestowed upon him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:1412 06:37 actually Rodney might follow up stairs even with the Amulet – he won't follow through levport though for obvious reasons 06:37 see, this is the kind of info that would help people appreciate conducts 06:38 I don't think Rodney follows you up stairs when holding he has the Amulet. 06:38 but you can beat him up until he escapes (and he might be mysterious force'd) 06:39 ooh, how does WDSM slow digestion work in 3.7? =oSD works by eliminating regular hunger but causing ring hunger 06:39 but DSM doesn't normally cause ring hunger – does WDSM add some, or does it stop regular hunger altogether? 06:39 originally it worked by eliminating all hunger, until I reported it as a bug 06:39 if the latter then I can imagine foodless players would be really interestd 06:39 then PatR added some hunger when you're wearing it 06:39 cathartes: spoilsport :-D 06:40 [US] Nesta (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a werejackal, on T:6372 06:41 I thought calling it "no digestion" in my report was really clever, and PatR called it "suit of no digestion" in the commit message. 06:41 cathartes is like a reverse whistleblower, working against employees 06:41 [US] kcostell (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed wand of death", on T:38177 06:41 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 06:41 -!- engelson has joined #tnnt 06:43 [US] kcostell (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Famine, on T:38187 06:45 -!- kewldewd has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:46 I wonder what the lore behind the Eye of the Aethiopica is, and why it's so personal when it's ignoring me. 06:46 [AU] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:18143 06:47 is it a bad idea to intentionally starve as a way to shed lycanthropy? 06:47 Nesta: Yes. More precisely, yes, it's a Bad Idea. 06:48 to clarify, I could pray, or I could get to human form and open my bag for holy h2o 06:48 [US] [D]: sirteapot (Pri Hum Mal Law), 1050 points, 1992 turns, killed by a gnome lord 06:48 [US] crunchbubba (Ran Gno Mal Neu) genocided class ;, on T:172258 06:48 I usually pray. 06:48 Nesta: trying that won't actually work and may kill the character 06:48 watch for Croesus to announce my zotting in 3,2,1 06:48 [US] [D]: arthur (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 1546 points, 2816 turns, killed by a hill orc, while fainted from lack of food 06:48 * anselmus didn't know that invoking is technically not guaranteed if under 500 turns or something 06:49 prayer didn't cure my lycanthropy. 06:49 holy water works fine, as long as you have enough HP (or are nonchaotic) – you can throw items upwards to change back, or just wait 06:49 anselmus: Yeah, 600 or something. I avoid it until I'm nearly 1000 turns in. Also don't sacrifice corpses either! 06:49 wolfsbane is reliable and (in-game) doens't have bad side effects 06:50 successful prayer won't cure it if theres a worse problem 06:50 anselmus: I think the guaranteed invoke timeout is really long but really unlikely 06:50 [US] [D]: sirteapot (Pri Hum Mal Law), 164 points, 699 turns, killed by a fox 06:50 gotta wait it out then 06:51 well after it fails after 100 turns i followed the progression from the wiki and it worked on first try (80ish) 06:51 -!- raisse has joined #tnnt 06:51 it failed* 06:51 it it nighttime? 06:51 $time 06:51 anselmus: 2023-11-24 06:51:45 UTC. 2023 Tournament closes in 6d 17:08:15 06:53 Isn't it the server's time that matters? 06:53 it is server time that matters 06:53 60turns night, 80turns day 06:53 EU uses UTC, US uses Eastern Time (UTC-5 now), AU uses some Australian time zone. 06:54 well rnz on 1/60 or 1/80 I guess 06:54 so it should be night only on US right now. 06:54 AU is hosted in Sydney, I believe, so would be AEDT. 06:55 (UTC+11) 06:55 So damn many mmf's! 06:55 anselmus: looks like worst-case timeout between invokes is 1000, but this is very unlikely and it will usually be much shorter 06:55 -!- elenmirie has joined #tnnt 06:56 assuming you are less than level 18 06:56 [US] [D]: sirteapot (Pri Hum Mal Law), 272 points, 915 turns, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted coyote 06:56 if you are higher then the invoke timeout could potentially be even larger 06:56 All I knew about hdf-au was that if I play when it night my time, it wouldn't be night on the server, so I wouldn't need to mind gremlin attacks. 06:56 [US] kcostell (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Death, on T:38248 06:56 are you trying to put another curse on me ais523 06:56 -!- engelson has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:56 [US] schoen (Bar Hum Fem Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Crom, on T:24979 06:56 [AU] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:18372 06:56 [US] Cuchullain (Bar Hum Mal Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:4198 06:58 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 07:00 Hourly Stats at 2023-11-24 07:00 UTC: Games: 10, Asc: 0, Scum: 0. 0d 02:14 gametime. (50%Law), 6d 16:59 remaining. 07:00 [US] [D]: Nesta (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1632 points, 6803 turns, killed by a dwarf 07:01 D'oh. I have an any shopkeeper in gehenno now. I did not plan that well. 07:01 *angry 07:02 [US] arthur (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1665 07:03 [US] kcostell (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Pestilence, on T:38325 07:05 gj kcostell! 07:06 also crunch wtg 07:07 I've never gone into gehenno actually prior to the quest... 07:07 * arahael should do hte quest. 07:07 [US] [A]: kcostell (Val Hum Fem Neu), 2190556 points, 38352 turns, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/kcostell/tnnt/dumplog/1699263236.tnnt.html 07:08 Concrats! 07:09 [US] [A]: crunchbubba (Ran Gno Mal Neu), 4572110 points, 172384 turns, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/c/crunchbubba/tnnt/dumplog/1699490958.tnnt.html 07:11 congratulations crunchbubba 07:11 gj 07:11 thanks! 07:14 nice gear, crunchbubba 07:15 =D 07:15 * tinklebear covets that boomerang 07:15 30k turns in, I've finally found and identified a... lamp. An oil lamp. 07:19 lighter than a lantern o/ 07:19 * docpi hands arahael his own personal achievement award "30.000 Turns under the Darkness" 07:19 [US] Furey (Rog Orc Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (disenchanter), on T:55466 07:19 Oh no, wrong preposition. 07:20 But otherwise the allusion would not work. 07:20 :D 07:20 ok mr gentletournamenter 07:20 * docpi hands arahael his new own personal achievement award "Darkness of the Deep" 07:21 Yes, my dear, anselmus, you rang my name? 07:21 it is funny how, for so many items (tools, rings, amulets), when the RNG screws you there is always one solution: Go To Hell 07:21 The only light source I've used until now was a solitary candle, and a scroll. 07:21 (Actually more of a descriptive title, but okay) 07:22 arahael, How did you get the candle to burn for so long? 07:22 -!- Elenmirie_ has joined #tnnt 07:22 (That's the beauty of it: He didn't.) 07:23 hell should be pre-lit if i read milton correctly 07:24 The operative term being "should" here.. 07:25 docpi: I didn't! 07:27 [US] arthur (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) found kitten, on T:4164 07:29 in hell the lighting techs always come late 07:29 [US] [D]: sirteapot (Pri Hum Mal Law), 2527 points, 2958 turns, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted soldier ant 07:29 Grasshopper: I have your luck now. :) 07:30 and the flouros all flicker in that "if I have epilepsy, it will definitely trigger" kind of way 07:31 arahael, must be why I died twice. Or was it thrice? 07:31 Grasshopper: Perhaps. There must be balance. 07:31 I'm wondering rightnow, however, why I'm healing so darn fast. It's as if I've got regeneration. 07:31 Grasshopper, Would you Like Frice With That? 07:32 :) 07:32 may the luck of the grasshopper be with you! 07:32 !lotg lol 07:32 Achievement suggestion for dying four times under a certain common condition 07:32 Dying from Team A should be an achievement. 07:33 your wiz starting with <18 int? 07:33 arahael, "Playerbanebanebane" 07:33 Or "Playerbanana" 07:33 bananabane! 07:34 Protection spell isn't very effective at high levels. 07:34 * arahael was talking to himself. 07:34 yeah at low levels it stacks 07:34 [AU] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:32398 07:34 you can get like -15 or something 07:35 but at higher levels it levels off at -5 07:35 Yeah, I can't get better AC than -25. 07:35 it should add +1MC as well IMO 07:36 Yeah, that'd make it worth having in the end game. 07:36 but (pretty sure) it doesn't, unless it is a later thing 07:37 [US] arthur (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4966 07:38 getting stoned by medusa should be an achievement 07:39 It really did take some doing 07:42 [US] Furey (Rog Orc Mal Cha) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon him by Kos, on T:56284 07:42 [US] gruefood (Hea Gno Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:28677 07:43 -!- mobileuser has joined #tnnt 07:43 I should probably get crowned, but... I did not plan this well. :( 07:43 [US] [D]: arthur (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 2371 points, 5582 turns, killed by a raven 07:43 Nesta, when you walked up the stairs, do you know if she (Medusa) was awake? 07:44 no i didn't 07:45 you were stoned? when? 07:45 but my 2 tactical thought processes didn't link up in my brain. So I had one goal of reuniting with a strong lost pet, and another sequence of moves predicting my transformation into a werewolf 07:46 oh that one 07:46 For some reason i just didn't remember to put on the blindfold, and I didn't want to wait out the situation with my armor off where i was 07:46 it is fascinating how certain actions/decisions snowball 07:47 said out loud "up the stairs is medusa's room and I'll get away from the werewolf and minotaur 07:47 [US] sirteapot (Pri Hum Mal Law) found kitten, on T:2408 07:47 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/N/Nesta/tnnt/dumplog/1700518166.tnnt.txt 07:49 i already wished twice in separate games for items i already had in bag 07:49 apparently once wasn't enough 07:49 That sucked away 35+ years of nethack confidence right there. 07:51 In this tournament I can attribute at least half a dozen late game deaths to my panicked actions with lycanthropy, including at least 2 today., 07:51 lol next year you'll be a big boy running with the clans 07:51 [US] WizardOfPoland (Mon Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:11226 07:53 I think, with stealth, Medusa may stay asleep, as long as nothing wakes her. 07:53 I think it might have been the zap 07:53 [US] sirteapot (Pri Hum Mal Law) polymorphed his first object, on T:3463 07:54 maybe so, if your non-stealthy arrival adjacent to her on the downstair was not sufficient 07:55 [US] [D]: sirteapot (Pri Hum Mal Law), 897 points, 3484 turns, killed by a gnome king (and one other game not reported) 07:55 Hmm, how does one get crowned? I thought you need to be pious, lucky, and praying on an altar? 07:56 I guess I'm not pious anymore... 07:56 don't think altar is necessary, it's just never guaranteed 07:56 [AU] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:33351 07:56 which is why you usually need an altar anyway, altar camping somewhere deep is a way of getting repeated prayers 07:56 Ah, I see. 07:57 Yes, tinklebear, and that is how I do it: Stealth, levitation, telepathy, key, blindfold or towel, mirror. Walk up to Medusa, show her the mirror, done. 07:58 -!- a-1 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:58 -!- a-1 has joined #tnnt 07:58 docpi: if nothing wakes her, the mirror will be ineffective, docpi 07:58 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:58 I did it by wearing reflection, an opening the door while blinded from the birds. 07:59 Slightly risky. :) 07:59 Actually, tinklebear, that works. Applying the mirror to her wakes her up - to glance into her own reflection. 07:59 docpi, I suspect that is not the truth 07:59 birds don't matter when you have reflection 07:59 "Medusa is too tired to look into your mirror" 07:59 or something to that effect 08:00 tinklebear, it is the only method that I have ever applied to dispatch Medusa. 08:00 Arseniy: Interesting. Evilhack is very different. 08:00 And I have successfully adopted it about two to three dozen times. 08:00 In 3.4.3 08:02 both Nesta and I traveled up the stairs, and found ourselves adjacent to Medusa 08:02 in evilhack she also has this nice melee stoning attack 08:02 in my case, it was my first time on that level, and I was stealthy 08:02 she stayed asleep. 08:02 and I had the downstair 08:03 (I believe Nesta had the downstair as well, judging from her dumplog) 08:03 tinklebear, with "walk up" I meant: Walk over across the water, open doors to her lair, walk towards her across the room with the statues. 08:03 of course, docpi. that is the normal sequence 08:03 [US] arthur (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1783 08:04 The term "walk up" becomes ambiguous for this special case, and has lead to an unintended misunderstanding. 08:05 * anselmus was stoned by medusa in june? so the lesson is still fresh 08:05 the lesson being that i suck at nethack 08:06 anselmus: You're better than I am! 08:06 Remember that. 08:07 anselmus, not as much as I do. 08:07 * tinklebear simply tells himself that nethack sucks at tinklebear 08:07 i'm listening go on 08:08 [AU] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed ring of slow digestion", on T:34235 08:09 -!- cathartes has quit [Quit: fly away] 08:13 [US] [D]: docpi (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 839 points, 2685 turns, killed by a giant bat 08:13 Low on health, did not take care to regenerate. 08:13 giant bats make giant bites 08:13 ;( 08:14 tinklebear, I did not see it coming, and was rushing. This death is completely my own fault. 08:15 every death is your fault. every adventurer has the option to press "<" on the first turn. 08:15 Gnomish Lives Matter. 08:16 [US] [D]: a1 (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 1220 points, 2160 turns, killed by a rothe 08:18 I was about to deliver that punchline, Nesta, but you beat me to it. 08:20 if what you did not do was stand on a downstair and type '100s', then I think you made the honorable decision, docpi 08:22 I walked down an unlit corridor right into the giant bat, tinklebear, which is how I did not see it coming. But I also was typing repeatedly in order to move swiftly, which killed my swiftly. 08:22 i see 08:22 /my/me/ 08:23 I can source dive with the best of them, and I held my own on rgrn for years, and I can look over any player's shoulder at any juncture and know the next best move, but I suck at game myself. 08:24 if you have fun, you don't suck. 08:25 tinklebear: Yeah, I mainly just have fun. 08:28 [US] Shrigis (Rog Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:4176 08:29 [US] [D]: OpticSugar (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 3417 points, 5187 turns, killed by a coyote 08:29 [US] [D]: a1 (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 974 points, 1100 turns, killed by a gnome lord 08:30 * docpi the unintentional shoplifter 08:31 Nesta: that's like me listening to a symphony and thinking i can write one because i can predict the melody 08:33 [AU] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) found kitten, on T:35191 08:33 [US] Furey (Rog Orc Mal Cha) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:58877 08:33 So I encountered a large mimic in a shop (yes, again. Will I ever learn?) on DL1, and I cast force bolt at it. This made a potion shatter which.. was not in line of fire, or maybe it was under the mimic. Anyway, I neither had the sufficient funds to pay for it, and I was not getting away from the mimic, so I zapped teleportation at the shopkeeper, and then at myself. 08:34 No Kops, and I leisurely descended to DL2. 08:34 I am in trouble, am I? 08:34 sounds like a slick getaway, docpi 08:34 (and yeah, mimics will happily sit on top of real items) 08:35 even the game is probably confused 08:36 -!- a-1 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:37 [US] peterg (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) polymorphed her first item, on T:33610 08:39 So what would happen if I returned to the empty shop, and actually deposited the amount die? 08:39 due 08:39 won't count as a deposit, when the shopkeeper is absent 08:39 return with money to pay for the item, 'P'ay the shopkeeper in person before she/he kills you, and the shopkeeper should calm down 08:39 I cannot pay the shopkeeper because he is not there (which is prbably a good thing, considered that he got angered by the zap. 08:40 he's elsewhere on the level 08:40 throw the money at him? 08:40 her? 08:41 I intended to throw the money at him, yes, but does he want a.. markup? 08:41 there is a threshold 08:41 anyways, killing Kops gets you some achievements 08:42 -!- Nesta has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:43 Grasshopper, Manlobbi is male, most probably. 08:43 the wiki knows 08:43 Actually, Grasshopper, it does not. 08:43 docpi, aiui, IF you owe them for merchandise, THEN no matter their reason for anger, you can simply pay for the merch and they will calm down 08:44 if you don't owe them for merch, well, then it's blood money and that can be a couple thousand zorkmids 08:44 well, tinklebear knows at least 08:44 Why are lock picks more expensive than keys? 08:44 I *think* I know, which is not quite the same, Grasshopper 08:45 tinklebear, heh :D 08:45 MOVING PARTS, docpi 08:46 [US] WizardOfPoland (Mon Hum Mal Cha) destroyed sirteapot's ghost, the former Acolyte, on T:11983 08:47 [US] arthur (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) found kitten, on T:3896 08:48 since you tele'd the shopkeeper out of the shop, before teleporting yourself out of an *abandoned* shop, I suspect there won't be any kops involved (as you reported) 08:49 [EU] elenmirie (Ran Gno Fem Neu) killed Scorpius, on T:34255 08:50 * docpi ahas 08:50 Aha! 08:50 very slick 08:52 erm, hold on 08:52 I wonder... *do* you owe Manlobbi? 08:52 for merchandise, I mean? 08:52 maybe not! 08:53 in which case... stay well away until you have thousands of zorkmids or the means to kill him before he kills you 08:53 [EU] [D]: xororand (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 782 points, 2486 turns, killed by a dwarf lord 08:54 because... think about it: kops were not called. Why? because you did not steal. 08:54 and since you did not steal, you must not owe anything! 08:54 I actually do, tinklebear, 133zm for the potion that shattered. I zapped him away only afterwards. 08:54 oh, right. 08:55 [US] Shrigis (Rog Hum Mal Cha) rejected atheism by offering an orc shaman corpse on an altar of Moloch, on T:5420 08:56 So, just the merchandise, or anger markup? 08:57 I'm not aware of any anger markup. only the blood money thing, which AFAIK only applies in case you don't owe them for merchandise 08:57 [EU] fragmites (Mon Hum Mal Cha) removed spazm's uncursed amulet of reflection from the swap chest, on T:3640 08:58 it can be kind of dicey trying to pay a shopkeeper, or even throw gold at them, while they're unloading attack wands on you 08:59 A shop on every floor so far, down from DL1. This is not a dungeon, this is a department store! 08:59 so ... you might postpone trying to pay until you have, say, some resistances (sleep, for example) 09:00 tinklebear, I once saw an accidentally angered shopkeeper kill himself with repeated zaps from wands of magic missile. I had reflection, stood against a reflecting wall - and just waited. 09:00 heh, yeah, that'll work 09:01 [EU] fragmites (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:3942 09:01 but, you know, if you don't even have telepathy yet, or whatever, I can imagine things going very badly 09:01 [US] Shrigis (Rog Hum Mal Cha) had Orcrist bestowed upon him by Kos, on T:5743 09:02 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 09:03 [AU] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (class R), on T:37534 09:05 Juiblex, the Booger King 09:06 Hmm. Asmodeus wants me to pay him. 09:06 282 zorkmids. drives a hard bargain! 09:07 Yeah... That he does. 09:07 [US] Shrigis (Rog Hum Mal Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:5946 09:07 Thinking it's more fun to kill him though. 09:07 [US] Shrigis (Rog Hum Mal Cha) had Frost Brand bestowed upon him by Kos, on T:5990 09:08 probably. polite of him to offer, though 09:08 I paid off Ballzybub with 1zm last game 09:08 I'd never even paid him off before, even once 09:08 Yep. 09:09 Grasshopper: Now, for 1 zorkmid, that's OK. But this is many hundreds more. 09:09 but knew there was an achievement and I had like 63zm out, so gave it a go 09:09 Seems he got angry! :D 09:09 aw, you hurt his feelings 09:10 treated him like a common hooker 09:10 [US] WizardOfPoland (Mon Hum Mal Cha) destroyed lambda's ghost, the former Rambler, on T:12012 09:10 instead of a somewhat special hooker 09:10 Grasshopper: He's *not* a common hooker? 09:10 hehe, is all about how with gift-wrap it arahael 09:11 How are they appearing and disappearing like that!? 09:11 *magic* 09:12 I want that magic. 09:13 [US] Shrigis (Rog Hum Mal Cha) had Fire Brand bestowed upon him by Kos, on T:6337 09:15 [AU] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:38083 09:20 .oO("ZLORFIX"??) 09:20 .oO("ZLORFIK"??) 09:23 I forget this location, I think it's the swamp. 09:25 Yes! Juiblex. 09:26 [AU] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:38943 09:35 [US] Shrigis (Rog Hum Mal Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:7952 09:37 -!- anselmus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:39 -!- Elenmirie_ has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 09:39 [AU] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:39366 09:40 I've just realised... I probably should be wearing reflection. 09:43 -!- a-1 has joined #tnnt 09:43 [US] Shrigis (Rog Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:9232 09:46 [US] Shrigis (Rog Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 cloak of magic resistance", on T:9232 09:46 [US] Shrigis (Rog Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:9233 09:48 [US] Shrigis (Rog Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 speed boots", on T:9243 09:55 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 09:58 Got an athame. 09:58 I... Have never ever used one, and have no need for one. :D 09:58 Perhaps I should put it in the chest? (I wonder if I can) 10:01 pretty sure that you can, as long as it is not too dull to do quick engraving 10:01 -!- kewldewd has joined #tnnt 10:02 [US] [D]: WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 148 points, 193 turns, killed by a jackal 10:02 it can be fun to write inscriptions or reminders or jokes or whatever for free, which is what I use them for when I have one 10:03 I feel invincible. :( A very bad sign. 10:03 "for free" or, without using wand charges 10:03 hah, you even *know* it's a bad sign 10:05 Yep. :( 10:05 [US] [D]: WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 106 points, 397 turns, killed by a kobold, while sleeping (and 5 other games not reported) 10:05 Oh wow, Orcus is early. 10:06 Somehow he got woken up. 10:08 [AU] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed Orcus, on T:41337 10:08 That was... Rough. 10:08 you got him? 10:08 Got a firegiant, mmf, jabberwock, AND a cockatrice summoend with orcus. 10:09 Yep. 10:09 Lost about 40 HP, but I'll heal. 10:09 Oh, yeah, and an iron golem. 10:11 iron golems seem to have a really clever combination of traits 10:11 Indeed. And quite tough in combination. 10:11 mindless, blinding attack, dangerous melee damage output 10:12 Well the mmf is still bothering me. 10:12 "bothering" 10:12 :D 10:13 [US] [D]: WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 704 points, 923 turns, killed by a wererat (and 2 other games not reported) 10:13 [EU] [D]: abacus66 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 633 points, 1150 turns, killed by an ape 10:13 Hmm. Touch of death. 10:13 What protection do I have against that? 10:14 Ah, MR. 10:14 -!- engelson has joined #tnnt 10:15 [US] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed rustproof +2 Mjollnir", on T:1 10:16 I prayed and got a spellbook!? 10:17 Oh, interesting. 10:20 [US] [D]: WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 435 points, 894 turns, killed by a rothe (and 9 other games not reported) 10:22 -!- engelson has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:23 [US] Shrigis (Rog Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:10240 10:23 [US] Shrigis (Rog Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed bag of holding", on T:10248 10:24 What's really interesting is that if you've forgotten what your wands are, etc... You still remember their charges. 10:25 [US] kewldewd (Bar Orc Mal Cha) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:44305 10:30 *made* a magic marker. Nice. 10:33 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 10:34 -!- crunchbubba has quit [Quit: Client closed] 10:37 Bah. Intrinsic telepathy. Just crown me already. 10:39 -!- Umbire has joined #tnnt 10:40 [AU] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:42346 10:41 [AU] Tangles (Pri Elf Mal Cha) found kitten, on T:1264 10:41 Hmm. Cleaver. 10:43 'lo 10:44 \/o 10:45 [US] Shrigis (Rog Hum Mal Cha) removed karafruit's uncursed ring of poison resistance from the swap chest, on T:12417 10:46 [AU] [D]: Tangles (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 1111 points, 1984 turns, killed by a gnome 10:47 -!- a-1 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:50 [EU] Everdying (Arc Gno Mal Neu) has entered the Arena, on T:48695 10:51 -!- klepto has quit [Quit: Client closed] 10:53 -!- mobileuser has joined #tnnt 10:54 [EU] [D]: abacus66 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 20 points, 273 turns, killed by a jackal (and 2 other games not reported) 10:58 -!- tjw has quit [Quit: Client closed] 10:59 -!- jientho has joined #tnnt 11:00 Hourly Stats at 2023-11-24 11:00 UTC: Games: 29, Asc: 0, Scum: 18. 0d 02:27 gametime. (100%Mal), 6d 12:59 remaining. 11:00 [EU] Everdying (Arc Gno Mal Neu) killed efot the Medica ossium in a deathmatch, on T:48809 11:00 -!- tinklebear has left #tnnt 11:01 [AU] [D]: Tangles (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 1042 points, 926 turns, killed by a gnome lord 11:05 Finally killed the arch lich. 11:07 [US] Shrigis (Rog Hum Mal Cha) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:14530 11:08 [US] Shrigis (Rog Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 gauntlets of power", on T:14554 11:09 [AU] ranchyang96 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) genocided class ;, on T:29891 11:13 Hmm, seems I can't genocide incubuses. 11:14 [US] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:4577 11:14 Wiki says: Genocidable: No. 11:15 For both inc and suc. 11:16 [AU] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) genocided arch-lich, on T:44657 11:30 -!- a-1 has joined #tnnt 11:31 [US] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) removed BEHiker91W's uncursed amulet of unchanging from the swap chest, on T:5469 11:32 -!- efot has joined #tnnt 11:32 [US] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:5557 11:32 * arahael still feels invincible. :( 11:34 -!- efot has quit [Client Quit] 11:36 I mean, that's easy to fix, all it takes is biting a cockatrice 😉 11:36 [AU] Tangles (Pri Elf Mal Cha) rejected atheism by offering a killer bee corpse on an altar of Thoth, on T:3484 11:38 karafruit: Haha. 11:39 [US] [D]: efot (Cav Gno Fem Neu), 234 points, 1070 turns, killed by a horse 11:39 -!- efot has joined #tnnt 11:42 [AU] Tangles (Pri Elf Mal Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:3541 11:45 just make sure you're not a yellow dragon 11:47 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 11:47 -!- mobileuser has joined #tnnt 11:47 What would happen if I were a yellow dragon? 11:48 you'd have a tasty snack and still feel invincible 11:48 'lo kara 11:49 Ah, yeah, that'll be a problem. 11:49 hey Umbire 11:51 the first time I ever encountered Medusa (or maybe second, after having died to stoning) it didn't occur to me to use reflection or blind myself or whatever... so I looked up what monsters are resistant to stoning and poly'd into a yellow dragon to fight her. (it did not go well) 11:51 what, you got beaten back to normal and stoned? 11:52 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:52 I don't remember, honestly. probably? 11:52 I remember taking a bunch of damage, so that's likely 11:52 yeah, Medusa isn't that tough for a normal character if she can't stone them but a yellow dragon has trouble for sure 11:53 -1 AC isn't Much™ but would probably be fine if they weren't slow 11:53 [US] [D]: efot (Cav Gno Fem Neu), 483 points, 2401 turns, killed by a hill orc 11:53 Looks like I've found the fake wizard's towers. 11:54 you probably have to rely a lot on acid breath rebounds to even the odds in that matchup 11:54 (Haven't broken into them though) 11:54 had a pet yellow dragon clear out a cockatrice nest for me in my nudist run though, that was fun 11:54 because you can very easily get speed system'd to hell 11:55 fire elemental is even more fun 11:55 everything just dies into it so quickly 11:56 -!- mobileuser has joined #tnnt 11:56 I think yellow dragon polyform to fight medusa would fly better in evil funnily enough 11:56 -!- stenno has joined #tnnt 11:57 So rock moles do not respect Elbereth? 11:57 They do 11:57 double check your engravings, remember they can scuff 11:58 if I were a rock mole I would simply eat the engraving 11:58 Umbire: No scuffing, just ate some metal gear off my stash, Elbereth is still intact, I am standing on the very tile right now. 11:58 $whereis docpi 11:58 docpi: [US] docpi : (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) T:3302 The Gnomish Mines level: 7 11:59 Elbereth doesn't work that way anymore lol 11:59 you want a scroll of scare monster 11:59 Umbire, 3.6 change? 11:59 3.6 change. 11:59 * docpi mumbles 3.6 change 11:59 3.6 change.. 11:59 * docpi hms 11:59 Hm. 11:59 just make your stashes in a box or chest 12:00 Current Day as of 2023-11-24 12:00 UTC: Games: 168, Asc: 5, Scum: 53. 699342 turns, 13813948 points. 10d 19:23 gametime. (30%Wiz), (57%Hum), (58%Neu), (65%Mal), 6d 11:59 remaining. 12:00 there are no proper lithophages in nethack 12:00 then you only have to worry about cubes at worst 12:00 stenno, is lithophage the proper term? 12:00 lithophage is stone-eater 12:00 ic 12:00 SlashTHEM has lithovores 12:01 Is -vore/-phage some Latin-ancient Greek thing? 12:01 Hmm. I wasn't going to do the wizard's towers tonight, but here I am. Maybe I need to get out. 12:01 I'm *not* ready to whup rodney. 12:01 the Greek φαγεῖν (phagein), meaning "to devour". 12:01 Terminology often uses either the suffixes -vore, -vory, or -vorous from Latin vorare, meaning "to devour", or -phage, -phagy, or -phagous from Greek φαγεῖν (phagein), meaning "to eat". 12:02 -!- efot has quit [Quit: Client closed] 12:02 yep, docpi 12:02 oh arahael you were the one with a ton of wishes right? 12:02 got an ascension already, arahael ? 12:02 stenno: Not in recent... years... 12:02 ok, gogogo! 12:02 buddy if you don't ascend this I'm gonna 12:02 even though you are not in my clan :v 12:02 Okay, stenno, spill the beans. Personal interest, cultural background, or academic training? 12:03 be very mildly upset 12:03 drum of earthquake will let you skip the tower and just get Rodney to come to you 12:03 karafruit: Yes. And I still have wishes to burn. 12:03 docpi: about what? 12:03 Your greek, stenno. 12:03 karafruit: Yeah, I don't want rodney yet. 12:03 that i know what 'phage' means? 12:03 oh hm 12:03 not the third one 12:03 And. can. actually. type. it. 12:03 a mix of the first two i'd say 12:04 Granted I'm p. sure you can copypaste this from Wikipedia/whatever site as well 12:04 I am impressed, stenno. 12:04 i know a lot of that stuff from my dad 12:04 I'm hoping to get crowned and unlock vorpy. 12:04 knowing more stuff about stenno is cool 12:05 also for some reason i talked with attie recently about coprophages (dont look it up) so the term was still in my mind 12:05 coprophage is such an s-tier insult 12:05 ah, well could be worth a wish once you are ready 12:07 every one in my family speaks at least 3 languages come to think of it lol 12:07 apart from me 12:07 stenno, you can save your cover by claiming you were discussing entomology. 12:08 Found the square. I'm dancing on that tonight. 12:08 Though maybe I'll look for vlad... 12:08 and my partner attie also speaks 3 languages fluently 12:08 stenno, there was this meme about how the Swiss commonly speak at least three languages, and often five or more. 12:08 docpi: well, swiss has 3 official languages, so thats not a surprise 12:08 switzerland* 12:08 Four, stenno: Rätisch. 12:08 oh lol 12:09 An often overlooked minority, but their language is official in Swiss. 12:09 stenno: Is swiss-german one language, or three? ;) 12:09 An often overlooked minority, but their language is official in Switzerland. 12:09 hehe 12:09 Those languages don't include sign langauge, so there are probably even more languages there. 12:09 arahael, Swiss-German is an abomination. 12:10 gotta ask the resident swiss person bhaak for more details 12:10 docpi: I'll bet you don't like ObjC++ either. 12:10 what the hell is objC++ 12:10 sounds like obj-c but ... 12:10 what? 12:10 [EU] [D]: lacca (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 467 points, 1555 turns, killed by a gnome lord 12:10 stenno: You're on the right track. 12:10 -!- HalNovek has joined #tnnt 12:10 i wrote some obj-c a decade ago when i played around with macos programming 12:10 osx back then 12:10 stenno: It's C++, with not one, but TWO incompatible object systems. 12:11 awesome 12:11 arahael, I only started learning object-oriented programming languages two years ago, took a look at Java, and was extremely happy not to have had to endure it for th past twenty years. 12:11 wonder what pulse thinks about it 12:11 stenno: It's generally regarded as an abomination, but as a glue language it's not /that/ bad, kinda. 12:12 i'd rather use a scripting language for glue code then whatever obj-c is 12:12 stenno: obj-c is nearly a scripting add-on for C. 12:12 It's essentially "message passing" at it's core. 12:12 i remember that you have to allocate memory somehow 12:12 with the [] thing 12:12 stenno: Well, yes, because C doesn't have a GC. 12:13 stenno: No, that's the message passing syntax. 12:13 MyObject *foo = [[MyObject alloc] initWithString:myString]; 12:13 stenno: Send message "alloc" to MyObject, then "initWithString:myString" to the result of that. 12:14 oh its a nested message here, i see 12:14 messaging itself is a neat concept 12:14 stenno: Yep, it comes from smalltalk. 12:14 (Apparently) 12:14 i know it from erlang 12:14 and, well, event handling 12:14 Fun fact, some Romansh people would habitually gain the intrinsic of aggravate monster if they played nethack. 12:14 Just with the most awful syntax. 12:14 (Yes, they do.) 12:16 ooh romansh like raeto-romanisch 12:16 i have heard that 12:16 Yes, stenno, Rhätisch or Rätisch in German. 12:16 right 12:16 https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%A4toromanische_Sprachen 12:16 when I learned Java in the nineties I was extremely happy not to have to learn C++ docpi. 12:16 of course back then it was still new and small and exciting 12:17 dialects are crazy 12:17 -!- tinklebear has joined #tnnt 12:17 * docpi was quite surprised to discover one day that the programming language "Erlang" does not derive its name from the city of "Erlangen". 12:18 no, but from ericcson 12:18 ah Erlang, very cool language/system 12:18 ericson 12:18 But from the electronics manufacturer "Ericsson", developed especially for managing communication transactions. 12:18 indeed, optimized for robustness 12:18 thats why you can do code hotswapping 12:19 which is kinda insane 12:19 and juicy greenthreads 12:19 'lo mobile 12:19 o/ 12:22 $tell anselmus "A dungeon horrible, on all sides round, // As one great furnace flamed; yet from those flames // No light; but rather darkness visible // Served only to discover sights of woe…" 12:22 anselmus shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, tinklebear. 12:22 -!- tinklebear has left #tnnt 12:25 .oO(Dungeon poetry?) 12:28 Erlang is quite different from normal languages, but Elixir looks more fancy and friendly. 12:28 [US] [D]: jientho (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 87753 points, 26145 turns, drowned in a pool of water by a giant eel 12:28 elixir is the ruby-flavored erlang 12:28 and ruby is sexy 12:28 or can be sexy 12:29 [US] kcostell (Bar Hum Mal Cha) removed cathartes' blessed ring of free action from the swap chest, on T:5306 12:29 dunno how their lambda syntax looks nowadays, but it was quite terrible when i looked into ruby 15 years ago or so 12:29 man i'm getting old 12:29 $lastgame 12:29 Umbire: [EU] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/l/lacca/tnnt/dumplog/1700827541.tnnt.html | [US] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/j/jientho/tnnt/dumplog/1700306918.tnnt.html | [AU] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Tangles/tnnt/dumplog/1700822812.tnnt.html 12:30 damn, probably thought they had longer than one tunr 12:30 turn* 12:32 [AU] Tangles (Pri Elf Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:5859 12:34 -!- a-1 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:35 [AU] Tangles (Pri Elf Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed greased fixed bag of holding named soko-wow!", on T:5941 12:35 sokowao 12:35 go Tangles! 12:35 don't forget charging! 12:36 Like I have done so on what could have been an epic run. 12:36 Oh wow, so that was a soko WoW? 12:36 And I blew it. Twice. 12:37 What? Soldier Ants are only level 4? 12:37 Why are they so nasty then? 12:37 They're quick 12:38 Yeah, I'm a newbie with water. Should'a looked up eel before assuming it was a normal monster. :-0 Well, learned something new anyway, onward! 12:38 and poisonous 12:38 and venomous 12:38 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 12:38 and they used to appear in packs 12:39 still do depending on XL/DL 12:39 I think level is mostly related to number of hit points? Low level monsters can still be very nasty. 12:39 [US] [D]: WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 80991 points, 10267 turns, killed by an exploding wand 12:40 Umbire: I already identified charging (I think). Might have one in my stash. 12:40 Turn 48k, and I finally found a magic lamp. 12:40 Tangles, oh goodie 12:40 Of course, that would have been nice 47k turns ago. 12:41 stenno, they do appear in groups 12:41 and they're also 18 speed 12:41 Okay, gentletournamenters, I just died to a panther which was represented with such a dark glyph that I could not see it against my dark terminal background. 12:41 jientho, never wanna learn like that but yeah it happens :/ 12:41 Umbire: yes, that is what i meant with 'packs' 12:41 you'll get it next time 12:41 yeah panthers are black f 12:41 Umbire: in the source, groups are called 'packs' 12:41 I want to know how to prevent nethack from displaying low contrast glyphs for my terminal in curses. 12:41 neat 12:42 docpi: You get a better terminal. Which OS? 12:42 yeah I'd just toss over my own settings but it's probably machine dependent 12:43 and I need to save brain cells for ascending my valk mage 12:43 (ideally tonight) 12:43 it is definetely not machine dependent 12:43 its terminal dependent like arahael stated 12:43 -!- Elenmirie_ has joined #tnnt 12:44 terminal dependent, right 12:45 [US] quervo1 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) found kitten, on T:727 12:45 -!- chao has joined #tnnt 12:46 -!- stenno has quit [Killed (lithium.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 12:46 -!- chao is now known as stenno 12:46 docpi: I think the use_darkgray option is supposed to help with that. 12:51 YAY! I don't feel invincible anymore! 12:51 [US] [D]: quervo1 (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 372 points, 1365 turns, killed by a gnome 12:51 Somehow, the difficulty suddenly got turned way up. 12:51 Yeah.. if you turn that off with OPTIONS=!use_darkgray, it renders the "black" items as a kind of dark blue colour (at least on my terminal, with curses), which is kind of ugly, but definitely easier to see. 12:56 I simply change the colour of my dark blue. 12:56 (I make it slightly purple) 12:56 [US] allanb (Tou Hum Mal Neu) found kitten, on T:1897 12:59 [AU] Tangles (Pri Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed spellbook of identify", on T:6058 12:59 [EU] elenmirie (Ran Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:34258 13:01 I nearly had a moment... Thinking the valley altar would be convenient for sac'ing. 13:01 That was close. 13:01 [US] allanb (Tou Hum Mal Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon him by The Lady, on T:2957 13:02 lmao 13:03 [US] [D]: allanb (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 755 points, 3147 turns, killed by a dwarf lord 13:04 [US] Shrigis (Rog Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:19532 13:04 Aaaand I've regained telepathy. Somehow I'm not generally getting crowend. 13:09 [US] [D]: docpi (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 3820 points, 4744 turns, killed by a panther 13:09 Tangles, "use_darkgray" is an option for TTY only, not for curses. 13:10 -!- efot has joined #tnnt 13:10 arahael, Konsole of KDE, classic color scheme: light grey on black. 13:10 I mean, I could switch my configuration to black on white, but the dark sceme is easier on the eyes. 13:11 -!- tinklebear has joined #tnnt 13:12 docpi: have you consulted this wiki article? https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Color 13:12 I shall, tinklebear 13:13 Thank you. 13:13 Also, tinklebear, where did that poetry come from that you told Croesus to tell? 13:14 anselmus mentioned something about milton and hell, about whether hell was illuminatied 13:14 *illuminated 13:14 [AU] Tangles (Pri Elf Fem Cha) wished for "magic marker", on T:6433 13:14 everything is illuminated 13:14 so I started reading Paradise Lost on gutenberg.org 13:14 docpi: Have you looked at the colour schemes for Konsole itself? 13:16 docpi: Not true. I just tested it with curses and I can definitely see the difference (though it appears to be set by default, so you will need !use_darkgray to unset it) 13:17 arahael, I actually wanted to keep the dark color scheme that I play with. I just would like to brighten the darker glyphs of nethack items, and monsters. I mean, a dark-blue skull cap does no harm when overlooked, that panther did. 13:17 * tinklebear applies an expensive camera at stenno twice in a row 13:18 docpi: Yeah, this is all why I use iTerm2, but sadly, that's macOS only. iTerm2 lets me set "minimum contrast", so regardless of what the foreground and background colours are, it'll do it's best to satisfy the contrast. 13:18 docpi: But you should be able to individually set the various colours. 13:18 arahael, "should" 13:18 [AU] Tangles (Pri Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased +5 gray dragon scale mail", on T:6437 13:18 docpi: I think you go to Profile, Edit... 13:19 Those were over four hours of a good game wasted. 13:19 docpi: Ah, then maybe find a better terminal. :( 13:20 arahael, you mean with an actual working contrast preserving function? 13:20 [US] Shrigis (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:20397 13:20 docpi: Ideally, yes, but at the very least, somethign that lets you specify the colours. 13:20 Hmm, what's this message in nethack? 13:20 > Something in your inventory seems to be anchoring you here. 13:22 Ahh... It's deathmatch and I can't carry invocation items there. 13:22 The Bell of Opening was preventing me from entering. 13:22 [AU] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) has entered the Arena, on T:51027 13:22 arahael: that's from the portal to the deathmatch arena. the portal won't let you enter if you are carrying the amulet or an invocation item. that's to protect you from coming in with such an item, dropping it, fleeing the deathmatch, getting the portal sealed, and making the game unwinnable 13:22 -!- raisse has joined #tnnt 13:22 Oops... I didn't mean to enter... 13:22 Ha. 13:22 This is going to get intereting. 13:23 :grabbing a seat to watch: 13:24 [EU] HalNovek (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the Master of Thieves, on T:47839 13:24 [EU] HalNovek (Tou Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:47849 13:25 What a waste of death. :( 13:25 "Clea?er"? 13:26 They ascended with Cleaver but actual artifacts can't be generated in deathmatch 13:26 arahael, "Cleaner" 13:26 :) 13:26 So it "name-slips" them all 13:27 Looks like vorpy isn't doing a damn thing. 13:27 -!- BestGorilla has joined #tnnt 13:27 Just like when trying to name items "Sting", and "Orcrist" when those artifacts already exist. 13:28 i figured out the best way to write elbereth is ElBereth becase B might smudge into b, making it still valid 13:28 but i think nowadays it has to be Elbereth with that exact capitalisation 13:29 I'm not sure why I'm burdened. 13:29 Vorpal Blade works if you can hit with it.. 13:29 arahael, did you hit a land mine? 13:29 stenno, Wisdom is only exercised when you spell it with a capital first letter only. 13:29 Andrio: I must have. 13:29 ok but elBereth is still valid? 13:29 mm 13:29 I probably can't hit with vorpy. Interesting. 13:30 arahael did hit a land mine in the arena, yes 13:30 arahael, ye, a lot of ascending players have really good AC 13:30 I do not know, stenno, I learned only today that items on Elbereth are not protected from visits by monsters any more in 3.6. 13:31 [AU] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed Grouchy the Wizard in a deathmatch, on T:51204 13:31 Congrats! 13:32 Andrio: Thanks. 13:32 yey. 13:32 Stumbled in by accident! :D 13:32 Finally hit with Vorpal? 13:32 Umbire: Nah, just fists. 13:32 Literally... 13:32 I gave up with vorpy. 13:32 Yeah, as a monk those or shuriken are your best bet. 13:32 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Pri Hum Fem Law), 829 points, 3340 turns, killed by a rothe 13:32 Not sure what to grab from that pile. 13:33 I think anything good would've already been consumed in the battle. 13:34 Could get the wand of death and charge it if necessary. 13:34 Oh, yeah, you can charge it more than once, I can add it to my collection. 13:35 Or maybe the helmet. There's a fair chance it's opposite alignment. 13:35 ALready got the wand. 13:35 Oh wow, not charged. 13:35 first a wand of wishing in sokoban, now Grayswandir in the castle weapon room. looks like rng is apologizing for all those other runs 13:35 Noice 13:36 shrigis: Same here. 13:36 [US] Shrigis (Rog Hum Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:21164 13:37 Well, I think I was actually quite lucky with that deathmatch seeing I had only one lizard. 13:38 You can use undead turning on the opponent to revive all their corpses 13:38 If they don't stone themselves with it first. 13:38 Umbire: THe worry is the eggs. 13:38 Who ascends with those? 13:38 yeah but then those're always worries 13:39 Andrio, people preparing for specifically deathmatch 13:39 [US] efot (Cav Gno Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8117 13:39 Nasty~ 13:39 they're also lighter than a single corpse and you can't lmao yourself by tripping into one 13:40 [US] efot (Cav Gno Fem Neu) removed Bean's uncursed amulet of reflection from the swap chest, on T:8152 13:40 [AU] Tangles (Pri Elf Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7653 13:41 -!- HalNovek has quit [Quit: Client closed] 13:41 [EU] elenmirie (Ran Gno Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:36744 13:42 [EU] elenmirie (Ran Gno Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:36757 13:44 I think I simply don't have enough luck. 13:48 Re-exploring the dungeon gets old. :( 13:50 I seem to get a TON of mmf's. 13:50 How do I find out how many I've killed? 13:51 you don't, short of dying 13:52 Hmm. 13:53 If anyone has advice on the 'normal' way to get to the Master Assassin.. 13:53 -!- fakepass has joined #tnnt 13:53 I guess theres a lot of different ways... but.... hoping for suggestions. 13:54 I only have 2 cursed gain level, and no cursed water. 13:54 The "intended" method involves phasing via polymorph into a xorn/earth elemental 13:55 Most of the methods that're more convenience with other nemeses tend to verge more on necessity here 13:55 Ok.. guess Ill go that route. 13:55 In this case it's much safer to wake him remotely unless you can kill him right then and there 13:55 well, usually 13:55 Ill study on those 2 things. 13:56 The level even has a tin of chameleon meat or two for rogues using polycontrol 13:56 [AU] Tangles (Pri Elf Fem Cha) removed bestgorilla's ring of conflict from the swap chest, on T:7829 13:56 There's the usual cursed potion of invisibility as well, personally much prefer that, can use a drum of earthquake... 13:56 yep. 13:56 what else, what else - right, aggravate monster spell 13:56 Glad to help. 13:57 Yeah, I read a bunch on it... but I imagined there might be one specific way that most rogues probably try to do 13:57 Like you said ... the 'intended' method. 13:57 Said way is usually cursed invis, yeah 13:57 i prefer cursed !oInvis 13:57 oh lol 13:57 yeah most people just use the potion in practice 13:57 Cursed invis... checking. 13:57 cutting the Gordian knot as it were 13:57 this game i have a rogue and a drum of earthquake, never tried the drum so i will 13:58 double check on the item's wiki article if possible 13:58 -!- elenmirie has joined #tnnt 13:58 [US] karibou (Hea Gno Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:4420 13:58 don't remember the exact range but I feel like if it wakes Rodney it can wake the Assassin 13:58 Sadly, no cursed invis. 13:58 Do you have not-cursed invis? 13:59 if so you can get it cursed but that might be a bit tedious 13:59 What's this assassin? 13:59 yes. 13:59 [US] karibou (Hea Gno Mal Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping 3 darts on an altar, on T:4459 13:59 arahael, Rogue nemesis. 14:00 docpi: possibly of interest to you https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/how-to-adjust-terminal-color-palette-819422/ 14:00 [EU] Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu) found kitten, on T:871 14:00 Ah, but rodney's at the end of the game, basically? 14:00 I was discussing the range of the drum of earthquake 14:00 WHy would youw ake rodney before doing that quest? 14:00 Ah! 14:00 so generally, what I do to make cursed water is just dip one repeatedly into a fountain until that curse effect procs, it's 1/30 14:01 I think you're more than capable of handling water demons and moccasins, so mostly I'd just watch for the occasional nymph 14:01 how much regular water do you have actually, should've just led with that 14:01 (or you can burn a wish) 14:02 Could I weild the potion, then cursed enchant weapon? 14:02 no 14:02 Novel idea, but no sadly 14:02 that won't do what you want 14:04 -!- HalNovek has joined #tnnt 14:04 hrrmz. 14:04 Confused remove curse might. 14:04 if you read *blessed* scroll of remove curse while confused, then about 1/4 of your inventory will get blessed, and about 1/4 will get cursed 14:05 That's what I was about to suggest, was just thinking of how to lead into it 14:05 Note that it doesn't affect objects that are already blessed or cursed. 14:05 if you have uncursed water then you can adjust each potion into its own letter stack 14:05 so if you have lots of uncursed water separated into in individual stacks of one each, then you'll get some cursed water 14:05 then you confused read the blessed scroll of remove curse, 14:05 and yeah 14:06 Andrio, you 100% sure on that? 14:06 I feel like I remember differently but I can easily be remembering wrong 14:06 about ten is a pretty reliable number of waters, but go for twelve if you can 14:06 Yes, if you're getting the confused effect 14:06 ic 14:06 Andrio is correct, according to me 14:06 I countersign Andrio 14:07 If read while confused, each of your affected uncursed items have a 25% chance of becoming blessed and a 25% chance of becoming cursed; blessed and cursed items retain their beatitude, and it has no effect on punishment 14:07 Blessed or cursed objects will still have their beatitude become unknown, but it won't actually change 14:07 I'm sure. I've done it, and I remember harvesting the blessed/cursed waters because they weren't changing any more. 14:08 I do it every. single. game. 14:08 [US] Shunya (Bar Hum Fem Neu) destroyed AmElm's ghost, the former Adept, on T:4402 14:08 Cool, good to know 14:08 That's good to know. I've never used that method to get unholy water. 14:08 i bow to tinklebear's experience 14:08 I've done it a couple of times 14:08 I have. 14:08 haha, Furey 14:08 I tend to prefer fountain dipping since I like wish hunting anyway among other things, and usually I just need the one pot 14:08 lately I've been using fountains though/ 14:09 reading up 14:10 -!- tjw has joined #tnnt 14:10 [EU] Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Raisse's ghost, the former Acolyte, on T:2060 14:11 Ok.. Blessed remove curse with lots of stacks of 1 water. 14:11 confused 14:11 -!- crunchbubba has joined #tnnt 14:11 yeah, has to be the confused reading 14:11 and I guess don't have anything on me that I don't want cursed or blessed. 14:12 that is correct, BestGorilla 14:12 well.. cursed. 14:12 yep 14:12 don't have anything uncursed that you don't want affected by the scroll, yeah 14:12 I'd consider setting another scroll of remove curse to the side in case 14:12 (or sticking it in a bag, if it's not an uncursed bag of holding) 14:13 Umbire's clarification is a good one: already blessed or cursed items will be unaffected 14:13 Or if you're brave. :3 14:13 This is so confusing... step one.. but everything NOT blessed or cursed in a sack. or get it blessed. 14:13 Or just drop it temporarily, either or 14:13 Then.... make a few stacks of one water each.... 12ish. 14:14 confuse myself. 14:14 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 14:14 read. 14:14 right so far. anyone spectating your game atm? 14:14 yeah, that's the ritual, BestGorilla 14:14 my game is in limbo, atm. 14:14 I may need to go dipping. 14:15 Yep... gotta go make water. 14:15 as it were. 14:17 one of these guys can spectate and help you through whenever you get around to it 14:17 I might join in if I'm not preoccupied with my usual nonsense (wiki dives) 14:19 -!- mobileuser has joined #tnnt 14:19 [EU] Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3448 14:20 No worry... 14:21 I thought I remembered being able to jump into water 'unburdened' to blank things. 14:21 Was that ever a thing? 14:21 Or is that not a thing/ 14:21 if you have high luck, that'll take a *real* long time 14:21 if you don't, it should work pretty well 14:22 with maxed luck, though, you'll probably want to find a fountain 14:22 Oh. 14:22 Yeah some people willingly take a dip to blank scrolls, potions, etc. all at once 14:22 yeah, the fountain is FAR away 14:22 and my luck is through the roof, I think 14:22 Luck decreases the amount of water damage done to inventory from that 14:22 hence my preferences for fountains 14:22 I'm guessing you don't have means of flying or water walking... 14:22 Or swimming 14:23 oh yeah. or water breathing 14:23 both my tourney ascs so far have used water walking quite a bit 14:23 (while underwater you can #dip) 14:24 anyways, if you lack these means, then a trip to some fountains might be less frustrating 14:24 I think I have to give up on the crowining thing. 14:24 [US] eitwinston (Ran Elf Mal Cha) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:24688 14:24 Probably spent 15k turns just trying to crown. 14:25 less frustrating than jumping in and out of water for ... how ever many times it'll take 14:25 So, I have had problems with this before... if someone could help me out, I still dont quite get it. 14:25 How do I name 12 different potions. 14:25 without naming them all. 14:25 like... dividing them into stacks. 14:25 no need to name them 14:25 I keep having trouble with that, with my daggers.... 14:25 pick them all up in one big stack 14:25 ok 14:26 BestGorilla, #adjust, type 1 followed by the stack, then select an unused letter 14:26 and then #adjust them one-by-one to distinct indices 14:26 OK. 14:26 #adjust, count1, choose the stack.. give it a number. 14:26 With daggers, you can wield your stack of daggers then try to quiver it. Then the game will offer to split the stack. 14:26 sorry.. give it a letter. 14:26 Just not if they're cursed. 14:27 i always used the dropping and naming method lol 14:28 with #adjust its much more convenient 14:28 and they stack afterwards without having to empty-name them, damn 14:28 well you learn something new every time i guess 14:28 heh, yeah 14:28 when it comes to a stack of daggers, I also name the wielded one and the quivered ones separately, otherwise they tend to get merged again over time 14:29 -!- Bleeko has joined #tnnt 14:31 -!- nurdglaw has joined #tnnt 14:31 -!- BEHiker91W has joined #tnnt 14:31 [EU] Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:5237 14:32 -!- Elenmirie_ has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 14:33 [US] wintergalaxy88 (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:6814 14:33 so now, if you drop the waters, they should land in three stacks 14:34 (unless you got *really* unlucky) 14:34 [EU] [D]: Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 10752 points, 5299 turns, killed by a giant mimic, while praying 14:34 [EU] nurdglaw (Val Hum Fem Law) chose an elven broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:47480 14:34 [EU] nurdglaw (Val Hum Fem Law) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:47481 14:34 [US] wintergalaxy88 (Val Dwa Fem Law) removed spazm's 3 potions of holy water from the swap chest, on T:6871 14:35 Got 2 potions... .Worked out. 14:35 \o/ 14:35 One potion to curse your invisibility potions, and one to make more unholy water as needed 14:35 6 blessed, 2 cursed... one for the potion, and one for the next stack of unholy water. 14:35 jinx 14:35 \o/ new technique achieved 14:36 Seriously.. .that was some GOOD learning. 14:36 Glad we could help 14:38 This month I discovered cursed invis. Always slogged through everything before. 14:38 [US] wintergalaxy88 (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7230 14:38 cursed invis is "traditionally" used for quest nemeses and the like so you can keep the upstair blocked 14:38 [US] Shrigis (Rog Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:22542 14:38 [US] SkydiveMike (Pri Elf Mal Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:2897 14:39 Yea, same with cursed destroy armor 14:39 cursed invis is also very good for rodney, no hassle with moats and water monsters 14:39 These days, I'm cursing like a sailor 14:39 * tinklebear sometimes misses the slog 14:40 rogerdodger. 14:40 you can always manufacture slog. ask me how I know 14:41 Guess what. 14:41 I cursed 'SEE' invisible. 14:41 \o/ 14:41 hehehe. 14:41 time tomake a stqck of unholy water. 14:41 "visibility potion" 14:42 slog is "most achievements in one game", i hate the existence of that leaderboard 14:42 lol 14:42 identifying a secret door by exploding a gas spore next to it sounds like a tnnt achievement 14:43 Demo: similar to "percussive maintenance" 14:43 [US] efot (Cav Gno Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:13666 14:45 [US] Shrigis (Rog Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:22623 14:45 [EU] [D]: abacus66 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 188 points, 481 turns, killed by Mr. Feyfer; the shopkeeper (and 2 other games not reported) 14:46 [US] Shrigis (Rog Hum Mal Cha) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of genocide", on T:22636 14:46 [US] Shrigis (Rog Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:22638 14:46 [US] Shrigis (Rog Hum Mal Cha) genocided class h, on T:22639 14:47 [EU] HalNovek (Tou Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (class h), on T:48889 14:47 [EU] HalNovek (Tou Hum Fem Neu) genocided class L, on T:48889 14:49 [US] bestgorilla (Rog Hum Fem Cha) killed the Master Assassin, on T:79271 14:49 gj 14:49 [US] bestgorilla (Rog Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:79273 14:50 man... that may be the EASIEST quest nemesis I have ever done. 14:50 just the preparation was a bear. 14:50 Thanks much. Couldn't have done it without your help 14:51 Np 14:51 The Master Assassin is one of those Easy Boss Hard Level cases 14:52 [EU] AlbertB (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Pestilence, on T:102122 14:52 I'm always worried I will just be stuck forever! 14:52 [US] wintergalaxy88 (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:10050 14:53 [US] Shrigis (Rog Hum Mal Cha) was chosen to steal souls for the Glory of Kos, on T:22919 14:54 I guess.. the Boss of the guild doesn't want to step off his chest. 14:55 if he's like other bosses, he will, if you approach him on a "free move" 14:56 Quest nemeses are generated "meditating" and only become active upon seeing you unless you have stealth 14:56 usually meaning you have to come to them 14:56 most people use cursed invis to make the nemesis come to them, for expediency's sake 14:56 you need to be fast enough to get free moves, I think 14:56 aforementioned upstair camping, things of that nature 14:57 it's possible to attack the nemesis from a distance before they awaken or become fully mobile, if the map permits 14:57 stand one square away from the guild boss. hit '.' to wait. 14:57 and, when you wait, watch the turncount. 14:57 Roger that. 14:58 then, when you notice that the turncount has not changed, step to the boss and #chat to him 14:58 Will do next session.. my brain is fried from thinking. 14:58 [EU] AlbertB (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Famine, on T:102181 14:58 not sure how fast you need to be for that to work, but I suspect merely 'fast' is good enough 14:58 You guys have all been a great help. 14:58 -!- nurdglaw has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 14:58 👍 14:58 [EU] AlbertB (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Death, on T:102184 14:59 [US] [D]: allanb (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 1088 points, 3131 turns, killed by a bolt of cold 15:00 [US] GrmlyFndsh (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (mind flayer), on T:56862 15:00 [US] GrmlyFndsh (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided master mind flayer, on T:56863 15:00 [AU] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:60576 15:00 have a good one, BestGorilla 15:01 [US] wintergalaxy88 (Val Dwa Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:11532 15:02 [US] GrmlyFndsh (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided class L, on T:56863 15:02 Umbire I am trying to message you, but it says something about a nickserv account, and I have no clue on that. I'll try again tomorrow 15:02 Hold on 15:02 [US] GrmlyFndsh (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided class ;, on T:56864 15:03 [US] GrmlyFndsh (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided class R, on T:56864 15:03 [US] GrmlyFndsh (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided class V, on T:56865 15:03 [US] spleen (Bar Orc Mal Cha) murdered Plek, his faithful little dog, on T:1923 15:03 [US] GrmlyFndsh (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided class T, on T:56866 15:03 [US] GrmlyFndsh (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided class N, on T:56866 15:04 [US] [D]: crunchbubba (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 403 points, 1678 turns, killed by a giant bat 15:05 -!- BestGorilla has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 15:06 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Pri Hum Fem Law), 1268 points, 4357 turns, killed by a dwarf, while fainted from lack of food 15:07 [US] [D]: jientho (Sam Hum Fem Law), 1524 points, 2241 turns, killed by a winter wolf 15:13 [EU] [D]: abacus66 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1025 points, 1631 turns, killed by a Woodland-elf (and one other game not reported) 15:15 [AU] bleeko (Pri Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:667 15:15 [US] Shrigis (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed the Master Assassin, on T:24506 15:15 [US] Shrigis (Rog Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:24507 15:16 [EU] [D]: abacus66 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 0 points, 176 turns, killed by a kobold 15:17 -!- a-1 has joined #tnnt 15:18 -!- tinklebear has left #tnnt 15:18 [EU] [D]: abacus66 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 50 points, 305 turns, killed by a jackal 15:19 [US] [D]: a1 (Arc Hum Fem Law), 83 points, 320 turns, killed by a falling rock 15:21 hi o/ 15:21 $time 15:21 K2: 2023-11-24 15:21:06 UTC. 2023 Tournament closes in 6d 08:38:54 15:21 [US] efot (Cav Gno Fem Neu) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:20784 15:21 [EU] Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu) became literate by reading a T-shirt, on T:3614 15:23 -!- efot has quit [Quit: Client closed] 15:23 [US] Shrigis (Rog Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 helm of telepathy", on T:24922 15:26 hey K2 15:26 been hard at work, check your channel 15:28 [EU] joes (Bar Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:16657 15:28 i saw 15:28 [US] crunchbubba (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) destroyed WizzyTheWeird's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:2317 15:30 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 15:32 [AU] bleeko (Pri Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1141 15:36 [EU] [D]: Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 5634 points, 5086 turns, killed by an invisible stalker 15:37 [US] wintergalaxy88 (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:17102 15:38 [US] Shrigis (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:25431 15:40 [US] Shrigis (Rog Hum Mal Cha) has entered the Arena, on T:25804 15:40 [US] jmcunx (Ran Elf Fem Cha) found kitten, on T:1953 15:41 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 15:42 [US] Shrigis (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed spazm the Sorcerer in a deathmatch, on T:25885 15:45 [US] a1 (Kni Hum Mal Law) received Excalibur, on T:3133 15:47 [EU] Everdying (Arc Gno Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:49932 15:47 [EU] Everdying (Arc Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:49934 15:49 [US] wintergalaxy88 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:18182 15:55 [US] Shrigis (Rog Hum Mal Cha) bribed Asmodeus with 1 zorkmid for safe passage, on T:26858 15:57 [US] a1 (Kni Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a werewolf, on T:4153 15:59 [US] wintergalaxy88 (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:18937 16:00 [US] Shrigis (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:27286 16:00 whoa I'm at the oracle level and I already have all three scrolls of missing code 16:01 gj 16:01 don't lose 'em 16:03 [EU] elenmirie (Ran Gno Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:37496 16:04 no, I'm going to put them in the box with the spellbooks on level 3 or so 16:04 [US] a1 (Kni Hum Mal Law) averted death (killed by a killer bee), on T:5057 16:05 [EU] elenmirie (Ran Gno Fem Neu) removed karafruit's uncursed stethoscope from the swap chest, on T:37545 16:06 👍 16:06 [US] [D]: jmcunx (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 1063 points, 3744 turns, killed by a killer bee 16:08 [EU] elenmirie (Ran Gno Fem Neu) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:37607 16:08 [US] allanb (Tou Hum Mal Neu) found kitten, on T:2529 16:10 [US] stoicjin (Val Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:27009 16:10 [US] stoicjin (Val Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:27010 16:11 [US] [D]: allanb (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 740 points, 2964 turns, killed by a giant bat 16:11 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Pri Hum Fem Law), 2540 points, 4488 turns, killed by a soldier ant 16:12 argh it sneaked up on me in soko, thought it was a floating eye at first 16:12 [US] Shrigis (Rog Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:28474 16:12 [US] Shrigis (Rog Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:28475 16:15 [US] maneatingcow (Val Hum Fem Law) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:50436 16:15 -!- efot has joined #tnnt 16:16 -!- karafruit has joined #tnnt 16:16 [US] stoicjin (Val Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed wand of death", on T:27487 16:16 -!- engelson has joined #tnnt 16:17 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 16:19 [US] [D]: docpi (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 249 points, 589 turns, killed by a gas spore's explosion 16:20 [US] hothraxxa (Rog Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:13261 16:22 -!- karafruit has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:22 [US] stoicjin (Val Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:28053 16:22 [US] stoicjin (Val Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:28059 16:24 [US] stoicjin (Val Hum Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:28242 16:25 [US] stoicjin (Val Hum Mal Neu) wished for "wand of secret door detection", on T:28333 16:25 [US] stoicjin (Val Hum Mal Neu) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:28355 16:25 [US] stoicjin (Val Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:28356 16:26 -!- karafruit has joined #tnnt 16:26 [US] [D]: quervo1 (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 634 points, 2387 turns, killed by a gnome king, while frozen by a monster's gaze 16:29 [US] stoicjin (Val Hum Mal Neu) killed Orcus, on T:29066 16:29 [US] Shrigis (Rog Hum Mal Cha) had Dragonbane bestowed upon him by Kos, on T:29147 16:30 -!- klepto has joined #tnnt 16:30 [US] stoicjin (Val Hum Mal Neu) killed Yeenoghu, on T:29273 16:31 [US] stoicjin (Val Hum Mal Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:29396 16:31 [US] [D]: spleen (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 3491 points, 4609 turns, killed by a vampire lord 16:32 [US] wintergalaxy88 (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed fireproof +3 cloak of protection", on T:21795 16:34 [US] Shrigis (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:29493 16:35 [US] stoicjin (Val Hum Mal Neu) killed Asmodeus, on T:29667 16:35 [US] [D]: terrapin (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 946 points, 2449 turns, killed by a gnome lord 16:36 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 16:36 [US] [D]: a1 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 3432 points, 5061 turns, zapped himself with a wand 16:36 [US] [D]: nirol0 (Sam Hum Mal Law), 4703 points, 3279 turns, killed by an orc-captain, while sleeping 16:40 [EU] elenmirie (Ran Gno Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed fixed greased +7 bag of holding", on T:38107 16:42 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 16:44 [US] Shrigis (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed Orcus, on T:30363 16:44 [US] [D]: jientho (Pri Hum Fem Law), 982 points, 2830 turns, killed by a small mimic 16:45 [EU] askhl (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed the Master Assassin, on T:19257 16:45 [EU] askhl (Rog Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:19258 16:46 [US] efot (Cav Gno Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Ishtar, on T:23832 16:48 [US] efot (Cav Gno Fem Neu) polymorphed her first item, on T:23861 16:49 [US] [D]: post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 50 points, 121 turns, slipped while mounting a saddled pony (and one other game not reported) 16:50 -!- a-1 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:51 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 16:51 [US] [D]: nirol0 (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 934 points, 1645 turns, killed by a gnome lord 16:53 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #tnnt 16:53 -!- Furey has quit [Client Quit] 16:53 [US] GrmlyFndsh (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:58067 16:54 [US] [D]: nirol0 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 20 points, 164 turns, killed by a newt (and one other game not reported) 16:57 [US] wintergalaxy88 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:23911 16:58 [US] allanb (Tou Hum Mal Neu) found kitten, on T:1384 16:59 -!- a-1 has joined #tnnt 17:00 Hourly Stats at 2023-11-24 17:00 UTC: Games: 16, Asc: 0, Scum: 1. 0d 07:32 gametime. (27%Wiz), 6d 06:59 remaining. 17:00 [US] GrmlyFndsh (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:58575 17:00 [US] GrmlyFndsh (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:58576 17:01 [US] stoicjin (Val Hum Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:30550 17:02 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 17:03 [US] terrapin (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) became literate by reading a book, on T:3161 17:03 [US] wintergalaxy88 (Val Dwa Fem Law) removed tjw's uncursed scroll of enchant weapon from the swap chest, on T:24362 17:04 [US] stoicjin (Val Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed +3 ring of increase damage", on T:30694 17:06 [US] stoicjin (Val Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Death, on T:30770 17:08 [US] stoicjin (Val Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Famine, on T:30829 17:08 [US] stoicjin (Val Hum Mal Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Tyr, on T:30857 17:09 lol on the astral plane 17:09 [US] [A]: stoicjin (Val Hum Mal Law), 807272 points, 30857 turns, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/s/stoicjin/tnnt/dumplog/1700619268.tnnt.html 17:09 nice 17:09 gg 17:09 i guess its possible, yeah 17:09 congrats! 17:09 never thought of that 17:09 It's always been possible, my question is one of "was there an achievement for that" 17:09 I was once crowned on the plane of air, while inside an air elemental 17:09 [US] [D]: Corbin (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 618 points, 1458 turns, killed by a giant bat (and one other game not reported) 17:10 I know there's one for getting an uh, a sac gift 17:10 -!- tjw has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:11 [EU] elenmirie (Ran Gno Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:38842 17:12 [EU] [D]: AlbertB (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 1804562 points, 102217 turns, killed by Famine (with the Amulet), while fainted from lack of food 17:12 rip :( 17:12 don't you need to be on an altar to get crowned? 17:12 $lastgame 17:12 Loggers_VIII: [US] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/C/Corbin/tnnt/dumplog/1700844842.tnnt.html | [EU] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/A/AlbertB/tnnt/dumplog/1699729130.tnnt.html | [AU] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Tangles/tnnt/dumplog/1700822812.tnnt.html 17:13 stenno no 17:13 oh lol 17:13 I think it might increase the odds 17:14 goddamn 17:14 drained to shit before they could take a bite 17:14 -!- Furey has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:14 [EU] elenmirie (Ran Gno Fem Neu) genocided class h, on T:38892 17:15 [US] [D]: nirol0 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1595 points, 2688 turns, killed by a bolt of cold 17:15 sorry AlbertB. sucks. 17:16 [US] [D]: Corbin (Kni Hum Mal Law), 231 points, 812 turns, killed by a crossbow bolt 17:16 -!- kewldewd has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:17 [US] [D]: allanb (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 893 points, 2655 turns, killed by a gas cloud, while dressing up 17:17 [US] jientho (Rog Orc Fem Cha) found kitten, on T:681 17:18 [US] GrmlyFndsh (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Yeenoghu, on T:60164 17:19 [US] GrmlyFndsh (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:60174 17:20 [US] a1 (Kni Hum Mal Law) made his first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:2511 17:21 well, that's what sometimes happens when you melee riders 17:21 [US] [D]: Corbin (Sam Hum Mal Law), 301 points, 338 turns, killed by a bolt of cold 17:21 102k turns man 17:21 [US] a1 (Kni Hum Mal Law) wished for "+3 blessed greased silver dragon scale mail", on T:2536 17:22 huh, just got an orc mummy named Baneoghaiai of Ubaneu in the Mines (I have orctown, but it still seems odd) 17:22 i assume it got killed by an elf mummy due to grudge 17:22 lmao 17:22 terrapin, orcish undead are included in the Orc Town generation thing 17:23 I've seen named orc zombies as well 17:23 [US] [D]: stoicjin (Val Hum Fem Neu), 876 points, 1450 turns, killed by brainlessness 17:23 Arseniy, also they didn't melee them at all, or at least they never got the chance to 17:24 uh oh, minesflayer? 17:24 Those 102k turns weren't spent overpreparing though. You just don't melee riders with those stats unless you're willing to die. 17:24 I don't think they particularly wanted to melee famine to death but I could be wrong 17:25 yeah, Famine was blocking the way out of the high temple 17:25 might not have expected to been weakened that quickly 17:25 bit hard to tell without ttyrec, and my player and the hdf player don't cooperate 17:25 (at least on my end) 17:26 relevant https://www.theonion.com/progressive-man-careful-not-to-assume-someone-a-genie-j-1851032510 17:27 [US] wintergalaxy88 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:28190 17:27 [US] wintergalaxy88 (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:28192 17:28 [US] a1 (Kni Hum Mal Law) wished for "wand of teleportation", on T:2999 17:29 but they were wearing eye of the ESP, that gives you enough warning to start shooting wand of death from several squares away 17:29 even if a peaceful priest was in the line of fire, better take the luck penalty 17:29 [US] a1 (Kni Hum Mal Law) received Excalibur, on T:3048 17:30 [US] Corbin (Sam Hum Mal Law) found kitten, on T:885 17:30 [US] Shrigis (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:33255 17:30 [US] Shrigis (Rog Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:33257 17:31 [US] Shrigis (Rog Hum Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:33264 17:32 random woodchuck in the mines! (polytrap I guess) 17:32 SDSM or GDSM? 17:32 or BDSM 17:33 YDSM, that way when you hit a polytrap you won't die to a cockatrice 17:33 lmao 17:33 BEHiker91W, RRAG? 17:33 (no I'm not still bitter about my death, idk what you're talking about) 17:33 (role race alignment gender) 17:33 [AU] bleeko (Pri Elf Fem Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon her by Loki, on T:6368 17:34 if wizard silver, if anyone else gray 17:34 [EU] elenmirie (Ran Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed ring of free action", on T:39661 17:34 [EU] Evilparsnips (Pri Elf Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:42219 17:34 [US] Shrigis (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:33406 17:35 [US] Shrigis (Rog Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:33410 17:35 if they were a wizard and had a cloak of MR, they probably wouldn't be asking imo 17:35 [US] a1 (Kni Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed greased amulet of life saving", on T:3418 17:36 sometimes shit happens with your cloak 17:37 [US] a1 (Kni Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 cloak of magic resistance", on T:3420 17:37 so then, gray 17:37 RRAG? 17:37 role race alignment gender 17:37 karafruit: GDSM is better because then you won't polymorph when you hit a polytrap 17:37 I explained in the next line lol 17:37 "if they were a wizard and had a cloak of MR" 17:38 Human Arc 17:38 Noisytoot: shhhhhhh 17:38 yellow dsm gives stoning resistance when worn in 3.7 I think, so no polymorph necessary :) 17:38 sadly we are stuck in 3.6 17:38 Hmmm 17:38 $whereis BEHiker91W 17:38 Umbire: [US] BEHiker91W : (Arc Hum Mal Law) T:2874 The Gnomish Mines level: 8 17:39 oh yeah that early? gdsm for sure 17:39 not in the wish menu 17:39 protection racket 17:39 I have a b(magic lamp and I'm not sure whether to commit it now for 80% chance of a wish or wait for Mines End 17:39 I wanna say silver in a general sense, but in the context of blitzing TNNT swap chest, grey 17:40 I've gotten into the habit of SDSM for any character that I want to #twoweapon. Bad idea? I get MR via cloak. 17:40 60/40 17:40 a-1, not at all 17:40 it just depends on the circumstances, wish source and how much you wanna play around polytraps/wand rays 17:40 things like that 17:40 I think there's a gnome in the wand shop, which is making me think SDSM but I'd usually pick GDSM. 17:41 If you're willing to search for/risk polytraps then I'd go SDSM 17:41 was the lamp from Izchak? 17:41 makes sense. 17:42 No. Lamp was from a store on DL2, but only just verified it was blessed. 17:42 [US] a1 (Kni Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 speed boots", on T:3422 17:42 Aye 17:43 no lamps in Izchak's now I've double checked your game 17:43 good luck 17:43 [US] [D]: klepto (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 2748 points, 2676 turns, killed by a killer bee 17:43 [US] BEHiker91W (Arc Hum Mal Law) made his first wish - "blessed greased +3 silver dragon scale mail", on T:2998 17:43 [US] docpi (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3302 17:44 Got the +3. 17:44 Now to worry about polytraps. 17:44 [US] Shrigis (Rog Hum Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:34768 17:44 And hope for wizard bones. 17:45 Might see doc's or Nesta's 17:45 or even anselmus 17:45 idk if he splatted in Mines at all though 17:46 -!- cathartes has joined #tnnt 17:46 [US] Shrigis (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:34813 17:46 Crystal plate mail was waiting in the shop. 17:46 Was that ever good armour? 17:47 It's good but also stupid heavy 17:47 450 aum and fragile 17:47 doesn't block spellcasting but... 17:47 Hilarious. 450 is about my total encumbrance limit. 17:48 [US] Shrigis (Rog Hum Mal Cha) genocided class ;, on T:34862 17:48 [US] [D]: nirol0 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 493 points, 1686 turns, killed by a small mimic 17:48 Sure enough, gnome had attack wands from the shop. 17:49 [US] Shrigis (Rog Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed partly eaten cockatrice corpse", on T:34897 17:50 [US] Shrigis (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed Famine, on T:34907 17:50 [US] a1 (Kni Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 gauntlets of power", on T:3780 17:50 [US] klepto (Bar Orc Fem Cha) destroyed Corbin's ghost, the former Gallant, on T:1432 17:50 [US] [D]: klepto (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 1102 points, 1447 turns, killed by a dwarf 17:51 [US] Shrigis (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed the invisible Pestilence, on T:34957 17:52 None of which were striking I hope 17:52 high roll of that would've done it 17:52 Actually sike you were at -3 AC before the wish 17:52 And you got the +3 17:52 [US] BEHiker91W (Arc Hum Mal Law) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating an elf corpse, on T:3178 17:53 So you're what, -15 give or take now? 17:53 [EU] HalNovek (Tou Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:56356 17:53 dude you have a tinning kit lmao 17:53 just had the sensation I forgot something lol 17:53 no need to almost die 17:53 [US] Shrigis (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed the invisible Death, on T:35001 17:54 [US] gruefood (Hea Gno Fem Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 350 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:30953 17:54 [US] docpi (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3509 17:55 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:56 [US] stoicjin (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:4320 17:57 -!- anselmus has joined #tnnt 17:58 [US] [A]: Shrigis (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 2364336 points, 35039 turns, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/S/Shrigis/tnnt/dumplog/1700812450.tnnt.html 17:58 there we go, that should be great rogue 17:59 gg 17:59 anselmus: Message from tinklebear at 2023-11-24 12:22 UTC: "A dungeon horrible, on all sides round, // As one great furnace flamed; yet from those flames // No light; but rather darkness visible // Served only to discover sights of woe…" 18:00 Current Day as of 2023-11-24 18:00 UTC: Games: 216, Asc: 7, Scum: 55. 992642 turns, 19015813 points. 15d 23:59 gametime. (31%Wiz), (63%Hum), (57%Neu), (65%Mal), 6d 05:59 remaining. 18:00 gg shrigis! 18:00 random grayswandir is basically a free win... the sokoban wow also helped 18:00 gg 18:06 So I'm at -14 AC after the wish. 18:06 [EU] [D]: engelson (Sam Hum Mal Law), 3488 points, 4633 turns, killed by a fire ant 18:06 And immediately found a cursed wand of wishing on the ground (possibly a death drop from a Gnome King)? 18:06 [US] BEHiker91W (Arc Hum Mal Law) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:3753 18:07 did you uncurse it? 18:07 No. No b!water 18:07 I only identified it by Engraving. 18:07 ah, definitely wanna hold on to it until then 18:07 the wand being cursed doesn't have any effects on the outcome 18:07 does it? 18:08 just the 1% chance to break afaik 18:08 No. It's a 1% chance of exploding 18:08 interesting 18:08 I usually just ignore it. 18:09 yeah, slash'em makes it like a 20% chance or something and there you have to care, but for 1% it's fiiiiiiiine 18:09 [US] BEHiker91W (Arc Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed greased fireproof +3 cloak of magic resistance", on T:3754 18:09 1% is fine, except when it's your first time getting the Castle WoW and it explodes the first time you zap it 18:10 yeah honestly sometimes cursed items work too well 18:10 like cursed full healing still fully heals you? 18:10 also i think in 370 the actually made it so the castle wand can't generate cursed 18:10 [US] klepto (Bar Orc Fem Cha) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Set, on T:2429 18:12 [US] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) wished for "magic marker", on T:32984 18:13 [US] klepto (Bar Orc Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:2615 18:13 how do you send a in-game mail? 18:14 m 18:15 thanks! 18:15 [US] klepto (Bar Orc Fem Cha) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Set, on T:2857 18:17 [US] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:44219 18:17 -!- engelson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:17 [US] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:44221 18:18 -!- nurdglaw has joined #tnnt 18:19 HalNovek - what's the problem with water? 18:20 [EU] [D]: xororand (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 373 points, 1668 turns, killed by a hobbit, while sleeping 18:20 recharging cursed wands is a problem though 18:20 nurdglaw:  try to open a new channel 18:20 $tell tinklebear "Pendent by subtle magic, many a row Of starry lamps and blazing cressets [...] yielded light As from a sky." 18:20 tinklebear shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, anselmus. 18:21 [AU] bleeko (Pri Elf Fem Cha) removed DekaFumoPuzzle's blessed +1 gray dragon scale mail from the swap chest, on T:7838 18:22 [US] terrapin (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:7801 18:22 [US] [D]: SkydiveMike (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 8319 points, 12814 turns, killed by an owlbear 18:23 [US] klepto (Bar Orc Fem Cha) removed GrmlyFndsh's uncursed wand of make invisible (0:7) from the swap chest, on T:3468 18:24 [US] klepto (Bar Orc Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:3642 18:28 [EU] xororand (Pri Hum Mal Neu) destroyed klepto's ghost, the former Bandit, on T:1833 18:29 [US] gruefood (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:31394 18:34 [US] klepto (Bar Orc Fem Cha) murdered her faithful gecko, on T:4831 18:34 [US] [D]: klepto (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 11303 points, 4837 turns, killed by a bolt of lightning 18:34 karma for gecko crimes? 18:34 giant with a wand of lightning 18:34 ooof 18:36 rip mr. gecko. another poor victim caught in the crossfire 18:36 [EU] xororand (Pri Hum Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4387 18:39 [US] efot (Cav Gno Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:30031 18:41 [US] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) had Fire Brand bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:38522 18:42 [EU] [D]: xororand (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 7821 points, 5689 turns, killed by a Woodland-elf 18:44 $lastgame jientho 18:44 jientho: [US] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/j/jientho/tnnt/dumplog/1700839483.tnnt.html 18:44 Shop-o-Doom 18:44 that's many mimic 18:45 Take a look, 3 small *and* one large in the same shop. What are the odds. I think I'll take a shot at calculating them... 18:45 on dl6, oof 18:45 thats really unlikely 18:45 looks like an orcus shop lol 18:45 lol yea 18:45 makes sense in a 6x4 but that is quite a few mimics 18:46 Little Shop! Little Shop of Mimics! 18:47 [EU] [D]: post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 53 points, 102 turns, slipped while mounting a saddled pony (and 2 other games not reported) 18:48 [US] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:33545 18:48 -!- theRaisse has joined #tnnt 18:50 [US] Bean (Rog Hum Mal Cha) destroyed klepto's ghost, the former Pillager, on T:1894 18:51 [US] gruefood (Hea Gno Fem Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 578 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:32111 18:52 It's simply Dlvl% chance of a mimic on any given shop item square. That shop had 20 shop item squares. Let's see... 18:52 [EU] nmlkj (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) found kitten, on T:1513 18:52 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:52 [EU] nurdglaw (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:52815 18:56 [US] crunchbubba (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a crude dagger named !c on an altar, on T:9651 18:58 ah crap...slimed after I've just prayed 18:59 and...ended up throwing Fire Brand and letting it hit me...lucky that was in the castle store room 18:59 [EU] nurdglaw (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of genocide", on T:52816 18:59 [US] Bean (Rog Hum Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3452 19:00 [EU] nurdglaw (Val Hum Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class h), on T:52817 19:00 [US] a1 (Kni Hum Mal Law) averted death (killed by a hallucinogen-distorted cave spider), on T:7221 19:00 [EU] nurdglaw (Val Hum Fem Law) genocided class L, on T:52817 19:00 [US] maneatingcow (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Croesus, on T:53666 19:00 [US] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) killed the Dark One, on T:40560 19:00 [US] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:40568 19:02 [US] wintergalaxy88 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:30244 19:02 [EU] nurdglaw (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased bag of holding", on T:52821 19:02 [US] Bean (Rog Hum Mal Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Kos, on T:3824 19:02 [US] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:40724 19:03 [US] [D]: BEHiker91W (Arc Hum Mal Law), 3208 points, 4940 turns, poisoned by a killer bee (and one other game not reported) 19:05 so last year there were 311 ascs, this year 245 19:06 which would come out to 306 prorated but that remains to be seen 19:07 [AU] Phyban (Cav Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a white unicorn, on T:18939 19:08 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 19:09 efot, no fire wands? 19:09 or scrolls? 19:09 none of either 19:09 just a sword 19:09 damn 19:10 [EU] HarmathZsolt (Cav Dwa Fem Law) genocided class ;, on T:73696 19:10 [US] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) wished for "magic marker", on T:34027 19:10 -!- Furey has quit [Client Quit] 19:12 the wish timeout adding is so dumb and lame 19:12 There is a wish timeout? 19:12 and has claimed many innocent lives 19:12 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Pri Hum Fem Law), 1995 points, 3735 turns, killed by a fire ant 19:12 Ah, for prayer! 19:17 [EU] HarmathZsolt (Cav Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed cockatrice corpse", on T:73785 19:17 -!- engelson has joined #tnnt 19:18 [US] gruefood (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed Orcus, on T:33637 19:19 [US] efot (Cav Gno Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:33751 19:21 [EU] [A]: HarmathZsolt (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 2409224 points, 73805 turns, ascended 19:21 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/H/HarmathZsolt/tnnt/dumplog/1699161327.tnnt.html 19:21 gg 19:21 nice 19:23 grats. 19:24 [US] schoen (Bar Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:29295 19:25 [US] efot (Cav Gno Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed greased bag of holding", on T:34657 19:25 Well I found that Gandalf's Illegal Fireworks will obtain the top soon. 19:26 [US] spazm (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed the invisible Nalzok, on T:24276 19:26 ugh confused ?tele failed both times 19:27 -!- HalNovek has quit [Quit: Client closed] 19:28 -!- HalNovek has joined #tnnt 19:28 xdminsy: or you can be like ais523 and pretend the clan list isn't a ranking 19:28 $help 19:28 HalNovek: https://github.com/tnnt-devteam/tnntbot/blob/master/botuse.txt 19:29 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:29 [US] wintergalaxy88 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:33355 19:30 Our clan seems now only has arseniy's doing the hard work. 19:30 [US] Bean (Rog Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8675 19:30 i'm contributing my 5 because that would be more than enough if everyone contributed 19:31 the rest isn't my problem 19:31 [AU] bleeko (Pri Elf Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:9870 19:31 Ah yes you already did good job. 19:31 * anselmus bows 19:31 you too...sir 19:34 [US] spazm (Pri Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:24398 19:34 hh. 19:34 [US] Bean (Rog Hum Mal Cha) removed Shrigis' uncursed +0 silver dragon scale mail from the swap chest, on T:9183 19:35 [US] crunchbubba (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) found kitten, on T:11245 19:36 oh damn GIF really got close 19:36 [US] wintergalaxy88 (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:34265 19:36 [US] wintergalaxy88 (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:34266 19:36 bllp 19:37 [US] efot (Cav Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fireproof +2 speed boots", on T:34812 19:37 [EU] nmlkj (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:4848 19:38 [US] wintergalaxy88 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:34401 19:38 its pronounced jandalf 19:39 $tell wop Hi! Nurdglaw got the wand of wishing at the Castle (used it to get 2 bless charging, 2 bless geno "h" and "L", and a new blessed greased bag of holding). The wand of wishing is a glass wand, and the wand of cancellation is unidentified (again? master mind flayer hit him several times). Still missing a source of levitation, but 3+1 wishes 19:39 No worries, HalNovek, I've got this! 19:39 left. He could either go back with water walking (I don't know his stash, and could have to ID again...) or down and try the swapchest first. 19:40 [US] anselmus (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:10669 19:42 thanks to levport not working, now have to cross titan medusa 19:43 the other option is to blow a wish a charging because luck isn't maxed yet 19:43 on charging* 19:43 [US] efot (Cav Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed ring of teleport control", on T:35074 19:46 [US] wintergalaxy88 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:35589 19:46 dwa cav time 19:47 [US] a1 (Kni Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:10029 19:51 anselmus: them low resource games 19:51 -!- Nesta has joined #tnnt 19:51 that's the beauty isn't it 19:53 Prob of x mimics in 20 shop squares on level 6: 0:0.2901, 1:0.3703, 2:0.2246, 3:0.0860, total: 0.9710 19:53 [US] spleen (Bar Orc Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:8402 19:54 8% for 3? 19:54 oh no i already started a wizard 19:54 Which means prob of 4 or more mimics: 2.9% 19:55 8.6% for exactly 3 yes. 19:55 [EU] Kontroller (Bar Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:49187 19:55 [EU] Kontroller (Bar Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:49191 19:55 Arseniy: yeah just to need get better at it i guess 19:56 need to* 19:57 ... The electric eel slips off of your greased robe! Your ring of free action turns to dust and vanishes! 19:57 good start 19:59 [US] spazm (Pri Elf Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:25414 19:59 lucky players don't need those 19:59 oh right no esp either 20:00 Higher than I would have thought for both 3 and for 4-or-more. Exactly 3 is approx. odds of being dealt 2-pair or better in poker, 4-or-more is approx. odds of being dealt 3-of-kind or better. 20:00 no ranged attack for the eels, huh? 20:01 good thing there was a blue D at castle that gave me shock res 20:01 because i got zapped like 50 times 20:01 ah yes, eat the big D 20:02 [US] spleen (Bar Orc Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:8612 20:02 well, it's only like 5 squares away through a swarm ofy gremlins gl 20:03 -!- theRaisse has joined #tnnt 20:03 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 20:04 nice 20:04 o/ 20:04 [US] efot (Cav Gno Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:36553 20:09 [EU] tromix (Bar Orc Mal Cha) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Set, on T:2714 20:09 [US] OmegaDino (Val Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:11083 20:12 [US] [D]: Nesta (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 333 points, 1173 turns, killed by a gnome lord (and 2 other games not reported) 20:13 [US] OmegaDino (Val Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:11361 20:13 anyone know why floor levels might not be showing up in PuTTY? 20:13 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/503281133438369792/1177703575330230382/image.png?ex=657378ed&is=656103ed&hm=6ab99931df44807d56f38ca4ff7ebfdf607febbfb6a8623e71b91184601323ea& 20:14 [US] [D]: Nesta (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 91 points, 219 turns, killed by a fox (and 4 other games not reported) 20:17 [US] [D]: jackbunny (Val Hum Fem Neu), 173766 points, 33031 turns, crushed to death by a collapsing drawbridge 20:17 as a matter of fact I can't seem to see orcish arrows wither 20:18 they are black 20:18 [US] [D]: hilarita (Val Hum Fem Neu), 366 points, 614 turns, killed by a small mimic 20:19 [US] [D]: quervo1 (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 237 points, 570 turns, killed by a gnome lord 20:19 [US] spazm (Pri Elf Mal Cha) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:26016 20:21 I guess there was something about bolded text that didn't want to show properly 20:23 [US] spazm (Pri Elf Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (class h), on T:26253 20:26 [US] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:46020 20:26 [US] jackbunny (Val Dwa Fem Law) found kitten, on T:1450 20:31 -!- engelson has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:32 [US] allanb (Tou Hum Mal Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:5713 20:35 [US] [D]: hilarita (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 980 points, 2106 turns, killed by an imp 20:37 [US] [D]: lambda (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 4547 points, 3642 turns, killed by a dwarf 20:38 [US] [D]: tizreader (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 4238 points, 5387 turns, killed by a werejackal (and one other game not reported) 20:38 damn 20:39 [US] habib (Bar Orc Mal Cha) wished for "2 cursed scrolls of genocide", on T:27995 20:39 [US] efot (Cav Gno Fem Neu) removed karafruit's uncursed ring of free action from the swap chest, on T:39009 20:39 thanks kara :) 20:40 [US] allanb (Tou Hum Mal Neu) rejected atheism by offering a snake corpse on an altar of Moloch, on T:6323 20:41 -!- Elenmirie_ has joined #tnnt 20:45 [EU] [D]: Arasaka (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 630 points, 2209 turns, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted little dog 20:45 enjoy, efot! 20:46 [US] [D]: habib (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 299686 points, 28502 turns, killed by an umber hulk 20:46 [US] peterg (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 cornuthaum", on T:34611 20:49 [US] hilarita (Arc Gno Fem Neu) had Giantslayer bestowed upon her by Camaxtli, on T:3519 20:52 [US] [D]: hilarita (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 628 points, 4750 turns, killed by a coyote 20:53 [US] [D]: lambda (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 256 points, 794 turns, killed by a gnome, while frozen by a potion 20:53 hm what causes a converted temple's ghosts to stop appearing? the death of the pri? 20:56 it's a chance each time you enter 20:56 nothing to do with the priest 20:56 [US] allanb (Tou Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed +2 Grayswandir", on T:7561 20:57 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:59 -!- ais523 has joined #tnnt 20:59 If I find the magic portal to Arena, it means that Medusa is right below. Right? 21:00 Hourly Stats at 2023-11-24 21:00 UTC: Games: 17, Asc: 0, Scum: 5. 1d 07:54 gametime. (25%Wiz), 6d 02:59 remaining. 21:00 HalNovek: yes 21:00 thanks! :) 21:00 [US] wintergalaxy88 (Val Dwa Fem Law) has entered the Arena, on T:51761 21:01 [US] spazm (Pri Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 gauntlets of dexterity", on T:27671 21:02 [US] spazm (Pri Elf Mal Cha) wished for "magic marker", on T:27691 21:03 [US] wintergalaxy88 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed xdminsy the Journeyer in a deathmatch, on T:51880 21:03 [US] docpi (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) found kitten, on T:6847 21:04 death of the priest is what normally causes them to start appearing 21:04 yeah but I meant after that 21:05 [US] anselmus (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "marker", on T:12280 21:05 [US] allanb (Tou Hum Mal Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by The Lady, on T:7807 21:05 i do know that they appear when the pri is trapped 21:06 maybe it happens more often at lower xl? 21:07 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 21:07 [US] spazm (Pri Elf Mal Cha) genocided class L, on T:27737 21:08 L - a magic marker (0:32) -.- 21:09 [US] docpi (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed the Oracle, on T:7324 21:09 https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/blob/NetHack-3.6.7_Released/src/priest.c#L479-L513 21:09 just needs an untended temple, priest can be dead or otherwise 21:09 [US] spazm (Pri Elf Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:27798 21:12 [US] anselmus (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "magic marker", on T:12287 21:12 [US] anselmus (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) made his first artifact wish - "blessed fixed master key of thievery", on T:12288 21:13 [US] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) has entered the Arena, on T:34570 21:13 E - a magic marker (0:41) 21:15 [US] [D]: tizreader (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 216 points, 990 turns, killed by a giant mimic 21:15 Ah I found that wintergalaxy88 killed me. 21:15 whoops 21:15 [EU] Arasaka (Rog Orc Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a thonged club on an altar, on T:3634 21:15 [US] [D]: hilarita (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 527 points, 1617 turns, killed by a werejackal 21:16 It doesn't require the same role to be in deathmatch? 21:16 I remember I encounter a orcish wizard when I play wizard. 21:16 coincidence 21:16 its just the last player that ascended 21:16 (on that server) 21:16 hh i see. 21:17 [EU] Arasaka (Rog Orc Fem Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon her by Kos, on T:3875 21:18 [EU] HalNovek (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:61951 21:18 [US] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed hearsegirl the Swashbuckler in a deathmatch, on T:34686 21:18 Vorpal Bladed her! 21:20 genuine perseus 21:20 not easy to get 21:20 3rd hit! :P 21:21 whats the chance, 10% ? 21:21 5% 21:21 I think 21:21 you have to balance it to not accidentally kill her with damage 21:21 maybe even heal her lol 21:21 I had a stethoscope, but no heal 21:21 just got lucky 21:21 ah that should suffice 21:21 nice 21:21 [US] a1 (Kni Hum Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:13355 21:22 gwaaaa 21:23 [AU] unit327 (Ran Orc Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:5612 21:23 YANI: enchantments and dexterity bonus should increase the chance of beheading/bisecting 21:23 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #tnnt 21:23 [US] wintergalaxy88 (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Sunsword bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:56178 21:24 could work if basic chance gets reduced 21:24 so then that brings it in line to what it was 21:26 -!- Waffa has joined #tnnt 21:26 [US] spazm (Pri Elf Mal Cha) removed Bean's spellbook of fireball from the swap chest, on T:28564 21:26 [US] [D]: hilarita (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 292 points, 833 turns, killed by a small mimic 21:27 I mean it's not that they are super impressive weapons (when they are not used against you... lol) 21:28 [US] [D]: karibou (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 2457 points, 6186 turns, killed by a vampire bat 21:29 [US] Loggers (Tou Hum Fem Neu) chose a runed broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:45110 21:30 [US] Loggers (Tou Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:45330 21:30 [US] Loggers (Tou Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:45352 21:31 well, the tsurugi could use a buff to make it a viable alternatile to 2 weapons 21:31 Two-handed weapons in general are getting buffed 21:31 right now no one would ever use it unless you really want the MC point 21:31 they get a STR-based bonus I think 21:31 yes, maybe Vorpal Blade should increase the chance of beheading only when not two-weaponing 21:32 Umbire: good to know 21:32 problem is the non-combat secondary effects aren't much, just protection and luck is eh 21:32 [US] [D]: AmElm (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 220 points, 713 turns, killed by a gas spore's explosion 21:32 An actual invoke effect would be cool 21:32 [US] efot (Cav Gno Fem Neu) killed the invisible Chromatic Dragon, on T:42332 21:32 -!- Waffa has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:32 bisecting on next attack would be cool 21:32 -!- Waffa1 has joined #tnnt 21:32 yeah it's the only QA without an invoke isn't it? 21:32 [US] efot (Cav Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:42333 21:33 (and limited to non large monster anyway) 21:33 magic mirror has none doesn't it 21:33 -!- Waffa1 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:33 ah yeah mirror 21:33 but it is so good already... 21:34 mirror the best lawful QA after SoM got nerfed 21:34 and mkot is something lame with traps 21:34 iirc 21:34 som got nerfed? 21:34 need to wield it in order to confer MR 21:34 ah 21:35 -!- martinp_ has joined #tnnt 21:35 would be funny if wielding the mirror gave reflection 21:35 mmom is still slotless mr 21:35 Longbow-style 21:35 i wished the longbow was good 21:35 I presme I can't handle Grimtooth since I'm an elf? 21:35 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/503281133438369792/1177724310199226410/image.png?ex=65738c3c&is=6561173c&hm=658a65ab4e4cb9599063ccc292a3a9166c5002eb76f98d9cda4d0bb2cff1c524& 21:35 longbow is telepathy, that's kind of nice for astral 21:36 lame otherwise, but hey 21:36 it's nice in general bc you want to be able to see your targets, esp. if you're a committed bowman 21:36 [US] [D]: habib (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 417 points, 792 turns, killed by a giant bat 21:36 and it gives +1 multishot in latest!3.7 21:37 * anselmus prefers one handers simply because less EW required 21:37 er, two* 21:37 @tizreader correct 21:37 the thing about "needing" reflection to get to it doesn't bug me as much since redundant reflection sources are nice against rodney 21:37 -!- Elenmirie_ has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 21:37 anselmus: yeah but that's because of how you play :) 21:37 -!- efot has quit [Quit: Client closed] 21:37 @Tizreader Grimtooth hates elves specifically 21:37 -!- Muad has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:37 though it gets bonuses against all monsters 21:37 pity, was hoping to use it to train up daggers 21:37 anything at all I can do with it? 21:37 just name Sting 4Head 21:38 not much 21:38 just leave it 21:38 uhhhhh, can you even pick it up? 21:38 of course this is hypothetical because i no longer play nonwiz lol 21:38 it'd make a nice souvenir but ll 21:38 kinda owns your artiwishing unfortunately 21:38 -!- martinp has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:38 it blasted me, but I can pick it up 21:38 :/ 21:38 [US] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:35209 21:38 you can be sad it means you're less likely to get artifact wishes, yeah 21:38 it's just deadspace 21:38 now toss it into lava when you can 21:38 -!- Muad has joined #tnnt 21:38 ^ 21:38 I found it my last game 21:38 off a giant beetle 21:38 [US] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:35215 21:39 [US] spazm (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed Asmodeus, on T:29234 21:39 i do enjoy seeing chaotic players get it as a first sac 21:40 along with sting 21:40 grimtooth's fine when its early on roles that start with skill in dagger 21:40 a rustproof long sword you don't have to train, that's something 21:40 i started a wizard and already found a giant scroll shop and got the minetown with the book store 21:40 [US] wintergalaxy88 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Croesus, on T:57917 21:41 if i fail this one i will either try elf priest (which is really annoying) or dwarf cav (which is nice because of SoM) 21:41 so i get all races 21:41 Speaking of casters I need to finish my Valk 21:41 [US] crunchbubba (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (master mind flayer), on T:13823 21:42 [AU] Tangles (Pri Elf Fem Cha) made her first artifact wish - "blessed fixed master key of thievery", on T:9135 21:42 [EU] [D]: Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 650 points, 938 turns, killed by a gas spore's explosion 21:42 [US] wintergalaxy88 (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:57995 21:43 not getting Skilled cone of cold is a bit of a pisstake but it's genuinely not bad 21:43 [US] gruefood (Hea Gno Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:40080 21:43 [US] AmElm (Pri Elf Fem Cha) found kitten, on T:1400 21:43 [US] spazm (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:29435 21:44 blargh idk if I want to try barbarian again or just go play a wizard instead 21:44 it actually has a marginal use against a high priest with comr 21:44 [US] gruefood (Hea Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:40095 21:44 if you're somehow struggling at that point 21:44 * anselmus amends his grand jury indictment of loggers from only 1 asc to 2 21:45 seems rude to be indicting people for few ascensions 21:46 [US] Loggers (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:47240 21:46 comr hpom is always so annoying imo 21:46 [US] Loggers (Tou Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:47249 21:46 should be illegal 21:47 he can easily rehabilitate himself any time 21:47 it's his choice 21:47 [US] [D]: docpi (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 9636 points, 9997 turns, killed by a mountain centaur 21:47 oh huh where's my bell of opening 21:47 Loggers_VIII, ask Rodney? 21:48 [EU] HalNovek (Tou Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Corbin's ghost, the former Woman-at-arms, on T:62608 21:48 oh right he can steal that, can't he? good call 21:48 Also, low hitting rates, and no keys of sorts make for a bad game. 21:48 * docpi looks at Loggers_VIII sternly. 21:49 find any good cornuthaums lately, docpi? 21:49 Surely you are jesting, Loggers_VIII. 21:49 [US] spazm (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:29785 21:49 [US] terrapin (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:12816 21:49 No, karafruit, and I have just died again, for about the sixth or seventh time since. 21:49 :( 21:50 hm rodney didn't have my bell 21:50 time to check ttyrecs perhaps 21:50 Nothing to be sad about. That is just how it went. 21:50 I haven't started a new game since I bit the cockatrice. (Mostly because been working today, still feeling kinda discouraged though.) 21:50 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 21:50 hey Furey! 21:50 I wonder whether that +4 or so cornuthaum is still in the US swap chest. 21:51 hiya, kara 21:51 [EU] [D]: Dictyostelium (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 1280 points, 2554 turns, killed by an Elvenking 21:51 [US] crunchbubba (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) made her first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:14511 21:52 [US] Loggers (Tou Hum Fem Neu) genocided grid bug, on T:47960 21:52 karafruit: oh right, most companies work the day after 21:52 [US] crunchbubba (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) wished for "blessed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:14512 21:52 well, I use the word "work" loosely. Almost everyone is out, and I haven't actually accomplished much. But I've at least kept myself from totally giving up and just playing nethack instead. 21:52 aw seeing crunch wishing for "2 blessed scrolls of charging" is most excellent news 21:53 docpi ooh a +4 in the swap chest? niiiiice 21:53 [US] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:35398 21:53 apparently thanksgiving isn't even a legally paid holiday 21:53 lemme check if it was there yesterday when I was in votd, I didn't pay attention to it if it was 21:53 er no, not votd, mine's end 21:53 I bit the cockatrice before castle 21:54 coworkers at our office who would be off on thur don't get paid 21:56 [US] [D]: AmElm (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 1377 points, 2666 turns, killed by a giant beetle 21:57 nope, it wasn't there yesterday when I looked. a nice +3 mummy wrapping from Furey was though, which in retrospect I think I have some respect for. 21:57 nice for keeping AC while you visit a shop, if needed 21:57 * docpi once found a +5 mummy wrapping dropped from a mummy. That was unreal 21:58 oooo 21:58 fancy mummy 21:58 i actually used a +5 mummy wrapping for main eq once. eclectic fashion sense. 21:59 yeah I guess if you've got MR from GDSM or some other source it's not a bad cloak 22:00 Hourly Stats at 2023-11-24 22:00 UTC: Games: 49, Asc: 0, Scum: 39. 27336 turns, 17086 points. (30%Pri), 6d 01:59 remaining. 22:00 +5 doesn't seem that uncommon, but +6 and 7 do, though i saw it once on astral 22:00 If it works it works, y'know? 22:00 I think I had an early +3 mummy wrap in my TNNT Knight asc 22:00 -!- bouquet has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:00 -!- bouquet has joined #tnnt 22:01 heck I once had a +1 mummy wrapping in an early game that was better than the nothing that was the alternative 22:01 [US] [D]: nirol0 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 2978 points, 2819 turns, killed by a dwarf 22:01 [EU] [D]: xororand (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 646 points, 2026 turns, killed by a dwarf 22:02 Not even an elven cloak? 22:02 [US] [D]: nirol0 (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 9 points, 158 turns, killed by a falling rock 22:03 I don't remember the context tbh or which run it was. Might have been v early in a caveman attempt? 22:03 early game nethack, use whatever edge you can. late game, all the chars start converging on only two builds 22:03 yeah 22:04 perhaps an orctown run with all the lovely +0 armor? 22:04 I have yet to see an orctown tbh 22:04 I have, karafruit, briefly. 22:04 like I believe y'all it exists, I just haven't personally gotten to experience it 22:05 I'm not an orctown truther 22:05 Not two builds per se, but a lot of 3.6.7 builds CAN get samey 22:05 it will wipe that smile off your face! 22:05 tbf my current Valk used EMC for a good while, then blue DSM to shed weight 22:05 with CoMR/AoR 22:06 decided to go gray and make room for the robe 22:06 could have given up two weapon for a shield of reflection but eh 22:06 [US] hilarita (Kni Hum Fem Law) received Excalibur, on T:2322 22:06 I decided this serial dabbler Valk was more fun 22:07 my monk run I ditched my CoMR for starting robe again once I got the eyes, so I could cast spells. Was def a bit risky in case the eyes got stolen, but they didn't, thankfully. 22:07 Now seriously, it was one of those unreal runs where everything was going so well that I was waiting RNG to drop a big showstopper on me. RNG did not, and it kept going well. I had conflict, stood at window outside the Fort, and watched everyone inside solving my problem with them among themselves. 22:07 In the end I only had to fight maybe two or three dwellers there. IT was fun. 22:07 My TNNT monk doubled up on PYEC/EotO 22:08 [US] eitwinston (Ran Elf Mal Cha) killed Scorpius, on T:26878 22:08 [US] eitwinston (Ran Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:26880 22:08 [EU] mobileuser (Rog Orc Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:13905 22:08 Anyone about to donate a BoH to the swap chest? 22:08 I didn't get any early wishes (and actually finished out that run wishless) or I probably would've wished for MMoM. Kept finding junk artifacts tho lol 22:08 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 22:08 before I blow a wish on one out of desperation 22:09 Ah, karafruit, I believe it was the very run where I picked up your cornuthaum from the chest at Mine's End. 22:09 oh nice! 22:10 [US] [D]: hilarita (Kni Hum Fem Law), 1952 points, 2700 turns, killed by a soldier ant 22:10 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #tnnt 22:10 ok, apparently I dropped the bell of opening to go into the deathmatch portal and never picked it up afterward 22:10 classic 22:10 thank god for ttyrecs 22:11 [US] terrapin (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) had Werebane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:14418 22:11 i bet more people got bit by dropping their bell of opening outside the arena than have ever got bit by dropping their bell of opening inside the arena AND fleeing without the bell 22:13 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 22:13 yeah you wouldn't generally think to drop it inside 22:13 need an engraving right by the exit portal that says "don't forget to pick up your bell of opening as you leave!" 22:14 [US] [D]: karibou (Cav Dwa Mal Law), 2399 points, 2968 turns, killed by an owlbear 22:14 mysterious force throws the bell at your head. "and don't come back!" 22:15 hahahaha 22:15 [US] terrapin (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:14885 22:15 "don't be a ding-dong, leave that to the bell. Which you forgot." 22:16 [EU] [D]: xororand (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 2619 points, 3118 turns, killed by a fire ant 22:16 or let the player come back after fleeing. but the npc is gone, there are twice as many traps, et cetera 22:16 [US] crunchbubba (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) made her first artifact wish - "blessed Master Key of Thievery", on T:14709 22:16 [US] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:46806 22:17 "We're trying to reach you about your bell's extended warranty." 22:17 stupid troll bells 22:17 they could be magic lamps! 22:18 ah, the ones on the graves that you get excited when you see that yellow ( ? 22:18 yep 22:18 yepppp 22:18 'saved by the bell' god dammit 22:18 [EU] Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu) found kitten, on T:4378 22:19 more like 'trolled by the bell' 22:19 yes! 22:19 [US] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) has entered the Arena, on T:47163 22:19 [US] [D]: rvcx (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 304 points, 1528 turns, killed by a coyote (and 39 other games not reported) 22:19 -!- nurdglaw90 has joined #tnnt 22:19 -!- nurdglaw has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:20 [US] a1 (Kni Hum Mal Law) polymorphed his first item, on T:14124 22:21 [US] Loggers (Tou Hum Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:52679 22:21 [US] Loggers (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:52691 22:23 [US] Loggers (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:53009 22:23 [US] a1 (Kni Hum Mal Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon him by Lugh, on T:14341 22:24 [US] Loggers (Tou Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:53014 22:27 woah, what're the odds of one room having a sink, a fountain, _and_ an altar? 22:27 [US] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) cravenly fled from Shrigis the invisible Burglar in a deathmatch, on T:47299 22:29 [AU] bleeko (Pri Elf Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:17697 22:29 [US] crunchbubba (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) wished for "blessed rustproof +2 gauntlets of power", on T:14772 22:31 [EU] tromix (Bar Orc Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:15281 22:34 -!- martinp has joined #tnnt 22:35 ugh I got MR rodney 22:36 -!- martinp_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:36 -!- wop has joined #tnnt 22:37 my whole fuckin inventory's cursed >:( 22:37 thankfully that can be easily solved 22:38 maybe if I had any remove curse scrolls 22:38 during my minmaxing days, i used to put lots of gems in my open inventory to make my important items less likely to get cursed lol 22:39 I always do that unless I have Magicbane (or another source of curse resistance in variants that have that) 22:40 in my current playstyle, i tend to have enough resources to use b?oRC once or twice 22:42 finally, stoned him 22:42 [EU] tromix (Bar Orc Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:16520 22:42 [US] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:35669 22:42 MR or half-spell alone is just 1d3 items unblessed or cursed, both together reduce it to 22:42 unsavory fellow 22:42 I think 1d2? 22:43 [US] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:35683 22:43 -!- kewldewd has joined #tnnt 22:43 life-draining rodney is funny 22:43 [EU] [D]: Dictyostelium (Sam Hum Mal Law), 2116 points, 2933 turns, killed by a bolt of cold 22:44 I was not prepared for MR rodney. that was like playing evilhack with vanilla endgame stats 22:44 did he cast double trouble? 22:44 yeah level drain on rodney is great 22:44 thats the most annoying one 22:44 stole your credit card eh 22:44 once or twice, but they didn't have magic resistance so it didn't matter 22:44 blep 22:44 yeah i guess 22:45 [EU] [D]: post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 96 points, 208 turns, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 22:45 there is actually a nice achievement for that 22:45 kill rodney twice with one action 22:45 oslt 22:45 Wow my vanilla endgame stats is just always prepared like if it was evilhack :P 22:45 $whereis Loggers 22:45 xdminsy: i really started getting a fan of actually preparing a bit too much :D 22:45 xdminsy: [US] Loggers : (Tou Hum Fem Neu) T:57335 The Dungeons of Doom level: 1 (with Amulet) 22:45 [US] Loggers (Tou Hum Fem Neu) entered the Planes, on T:57402 22:45 really changed my playstyle after playing variants 22:46 yeah, you learn what you can make do without and movement stuff that you wouldn't consider otherwise 22:46 and i try streak playing more, even though this tnnt is not really working out for me 22:46 among other things 22:46 :P 22:46 i have several accounts with average ascensions turns <20k 22:47 and like 15-20% asc ratio 22:47 [EU] [D]: Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 12501 points, 7351 turns, petrified by a cockatrice 22:47 * karafruit tries to decide whether holy water or restore ability is more useful 22:47 this tnnt unfortunately i only have a 15% asc ratio even though i play slower 22:47 i guess i just got out of training too much 22:48 I still dunno how to play before I have everything lol. 22:48 my stats this year are shit 22:48 -!- Arseniy has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:48 xdminsy: you should try it, win sub 15k 22:48 resource management is a whole different challenge then 22:49 at some point i will make a proper return 22:49 and pwn everyone like in the good old days 22:50 I see, I have no idea how to do that. 22:50 Seems I've never win sub 30k. 22:50 Ah, once. 22:50 you should give it a try, it will really improve your overall play 22:51 Yes I think I should try, maybe I'm always afraid of losing. 22:51 * karafruit would love if this run would stop giving her duplicate spellbooks 22:51 Not sure what are stopping me from playing. 22:51 how does movement work on water without lev? electric eel just lmao'd away my lev ring 22:51 it will help you learn resource scarcity management that you mentioned 22:51 xdminsy: just make a new acconut :D 22:52 lol, I can play locally actually. 22:52 -!- martinp has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:52 naah 22:52 Loggers if you mean plane of water, levitation doesn't do anything afaik 22:52 don't play local 22:52 what good is playing local, you cannot compare your stats to others 22:52 and you also cannot brag 22:52 yes my first game online is one game of xnethack than a lot evilhack. 22:52 -!- martinp has joined #tnnt 22:52 maybe that's the point lmao 22:53 :) 22:53 I occasionally play actual games local, but more often than not I just wiztest 22:53 [US] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) destroyed nirol0's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:2659 22:53 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 22:53 Unforth nothing to brag lol. 22:53 I'm usually filling my time with other things, rather than any specific aversion to it 22:53 i can still brag about shit i did 10 years ago 22:53 xdminsy: come on you are an expert player 22:53 much to brag 22:54 your current tnnt performance is insanely good 22:54 why are amazing nethack players always so damned humble lol 22:54 for once I want to see one of you brag about something, just for a change of pace 22:55 because in general, it's easier to see how much one can improve than where you were before 22:55 Loggers_VIII ok I got one for ya 22:55 * karafruit brags about biting a cockatrice 22:55 i'm super good at dying. no one comes close 22:55 eat it 22:55 U should always be humble, no matter the endeavor. If u are doing well in life, others will sing ur prases. 22:55 yes, being humble is a great virtue 22:55 Yes I see that I lack a lot of skills to improve like playing faster, or doing some conducts. 22:56 if you know by yourself still that you are good :D 22:56 stenno: Yep 22:56 I could be way more humble but I'm not exactly a braggart per se 22:56 otherwise there is the danger of imposter syndrome 22:56 i like to brag about my nethack achievements lol 22:56 Seems loggers is ascending soon. 22:56 idk if I'm considered a "good" nethack player but I like to think I've had a few good moments. 22:56 -!- wop has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:57 I think you're p. decent 22:57 -!- wop has joined #tnnt 22:57 any player able to win is a good player imo 22:57 you won 6 times already in this tnnt, thats really good 22:57 Umbire: Self-positive attitude and self confidence is a good thing. 22:57 [US] Loggers (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Pestilence, on T:58209 22:58 but there is a fine line in all of this, of course 22:58 Speaking of, I should finish off my third 22:58 or at least make progress 22:59 there are a few players that are infinitely better than i am, and i will never reach their level, and thats fine too 22:59 ah tits, just remembered I can't far look for sinks normally 22:59 oh I'm above a couple 22:59 it is just inspiring and mind-boggling how good the best nethack players are 23:00 Hourly Stats at 2023-11-24 23:00 UTC: Games: 26, Asc: 0, Scum: 16. 0d 04:17 gametime. (30%Pri), 6d 00:59 remaining. 23:00 I'm taking my time this game. Splatted 2 Vals in a row. This won't be a quck asc, but I'd rather have 150K move asc that a sub 40K splat. 23:00 may be too soon to tell, but we may be on track to exceed the nuber of asc and ascending players from last year 23:00 *number 23:00 wow you just jinxed it 23:00 s/that/than 23:00 jinx buy me a coke 23:00 ach it's over 23:00 i have the feeling that this year, there are more really good players than the last times 23:00 [US] [D]: Loggers (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 1592092 points, 58298 turns, killed by an Angel of Offler (with the Amulet) 23:01 that does not sound good Loggers_VIII 23:01 NO! 23:01 f - a cursed -5 ring of protection. 23:01 fuck 23:01 lol nooooo 23:01 oh no loggers. 23:01 :( 23:01 Oh good god it really was joever 23:01 $lastgame 23:01 Umbire: [US] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Loggers/tnnt/dumplog/1700596365.tnnt.html | [EU] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/G/Gandelf/tnnt/dumplog/1700862158.tnnt.html | [AU] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Tangles/tnnt/dumplog/1700822812.tnnt.html 23:01 instant K2 jinx karma 23:01 <--- guilty 23:01 jinxing it was the strat of the enemy clan 23:01 smh my head 23:01 dirty methods here 23:01 astral was really mean that time. I had to kill pestilence a lot before I even made it to the altar, no way was I making it back past him 23:02 shit 23:02 stenno dont worry you'll be fine, your remaining games you'll asc 23:02 super jinx 23:02 K2: thank you so much.. 23:02 ;_; 23:02 :P 23:02 astral splat is really about the most frustrating way to die 23:02 I don't mind it tbh 23:03 ok good 23:03 [US] terrapin (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:18686 23:03 commendable 23:03 Already great job :P 23:03 I splat on astral too much to be sad about it :P 23:03 i would be in the second stage of grief right now 23:04 although usually it's because I was a dumbass. I'm not entirely sure if I did anything wrong there 23:04 stenno last year during junethack, i was playing sporkhack. was on the right altar, could have ascended, but wanted the extra trophies (grand tour). next move, player monster with vorpal blade beheaded me 23:04 more full healing in open inventory maybe? 23:04 K2: arrgh 23:04 I'm not sure, but heard that in 3.6 those priests can be scared? 23:05 and angels. 23:05 i lost a game like that too, it was even a streak game iirc 23:05 it was bhaaks player monster who beheaded me on astral 23:05 [US] widmerpool (Ran Orc Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:38929 23:05 i took that personally 23:05 oh yknow what, I could've blinded pesty with my camera probably 23:05 [US] Nesta (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a dagger on an altar, on T:4618 23:05 next time :) 23:06 Cool, never tried that :P 23:06 are we actually losing against GIF 23:06 seems i really have to sit on my ass this weekend 23:06 [US] [D]: rvcx (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 1692 points, 2687 turns, killed by a gnome lord, while frozen by a potion (and 16 other games not reported) 23:07 me: "hm, I don't recall hearing a plaintive meow, how'm I going to get a pet?" gecko: "don't worry I got you" *drops a figurine of a kitten* 23:07 [US] [D]: Zolar (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 216 points, 290 turns, killed by a sewer rat 23:07 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 23:08 -!- ais523 has joined #tnnt 23:09 [AU] unit327 (Ran Orc Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:10719 23:09 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 23:09 mm, the case of the Moving Mimic 23:10 [US] hothraxxa (Rog Hum Mal Cha) removed terrapin's uncursed bag of holding from the swap chest, on T:18308 23:10 yay terrapin, my hero 23:10 i just realized that i can go to mines end early with wizard 23:10 wow this cat is a pro scroll-thief 23:10 for the sawpchest 23:11 DL14, then... 23:11 DL3 23:11 gross 23:12 travel makes it fast as long as teleportitis doesn't proc too hard 23:12 stenno: because of MR? or for some other reason? 23:12 [US] [D]: malor (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 5111 points, 4638 turns, killed by an owlbear 23:12 I feel like MR-blocked things aren't the most dangerous things in the lower Mines any more 23:13 ais523: mr, yes 23:13 i think in general i am a bit too scared of the lower mines 23:13 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 23:13 at some point i have to make some mr-less test runs to see how dangerous it actually is 23:13 I have decided that it's safer than Sokoban – even the second level of Sokoban 23:14 yeah sokoban is so dangerous 23:14 but it's still dangerous primarily just due to monster spawns, and partially due to the possibility of monsters using polytraps 23:14 i die so often there 23:14 i wonder what the actual chance of a polytrap is in the mines at DL8 and below 23:14 I'm not sure, I often do sokoban before mines end. 23:15 It's really high iirc? 23:15 killing a valk with two cones of cold 23:15 could've used just one if I rebounded 23:15 it's not *so* high, but definitely high enough to be relevant 23:15 at the moment, sokoban is probably the place i die the most 23:15 I think it's more likely than minesflayers – probably about equal to NH4 minesflayers before I fixed that bug 23:15 I feel like lower Mines is way harder 23:15 [US] cathartes (Ran Orc Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8435 23:15 ais523: did you touch mkclass ? 23:15 i wrote a program once that could calculate the chances of minesflayer 23:16 stenno: yes – I was changing the way the RNG worked to be more stable while adding a setseed mode 23:16 i think in 3.7, minesflayer are even slightly more likely 23:16 and messed something up in the calculation 23:16 3.7 changes what? 23:16 as i've said here recently, if you wear junk armour and cape then the lower mines are not much of a problem 23:16 and it took ages to diagnose the bug because, well, minesflayers are supposed to happen sometimes, them happening a little more often than intended is hard to recognise as a bug 23:16 xdminsy: the way certain monsters, like minesflayers, are generated 23:17 ais523: yeah lol 23:17 i think i get a poly trap about one out of three times 23:17 gotta fuzz it probably 23:17 hothraxxa: I find that they're *usually* fine, but sometimes you get truly terrible monster spawns, even by the normal generation method 23:17 Yes if there's no polytrap then the mines are safer. 23:17 There's only some harmless h and G.. 23:17 [US] Umbire (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed ring of teleport control named No Go on the Sinks, Buddy", on T:67551 23:17 anyway, part of the reason it's safer than Sokoban is that I normally have ?oT identified by that point, and can use it as an escape item in the Mines 23:17 but it doesn't work in Sokoban 23:17 ais523 i agree, but those are also not too common 23:18 getting luckstone early is so nice, i tended to underrate luckstone 23:18 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: sorry about my connection] 23:18 i played with 0 luck most of the time 23:18 -!- ais523 has joined #tnnt 23:18 but luxidream showed me the goodness of luckstones, and now i like them much more 23:18 it may be that lower Mines is safer when you have hostile mines 23:18 feh 23:18 anyway 3 wishes left 23:18 ais523: why do you think so? 23:18 when you have peaceful mines, the game generates extra monsters to compensate and those are probably more difficult than your typical h or G 23:18 [US] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) genocided energy vortex, on T:36683 23:19 ais523, sounds about rightish 23:19 oh true 23:19 you will get : and d and stuff in the upper peaceful mines 23:19 gnome kings and bugbears aren't so bad 23:19 I feel like polytraps skew it harder 23:19 but it's a logical point 23:19 I always do soko before mines end, but I often do mines end before soko in evilhack. 23:20 but if you have to face the entire slew of difficulty 8 monsters then you are potentially going to end up in serious trouble 23:20 granted I'm also mostly adjusted to combat in Soko since I don't spend as much time solving due to all the practice 23:20 I found that those generated monsters are too difficult and it's hard to escape in soko. 23:20 there are moments where monsters like leocrottas, trolls and xorns can spawn in soko 23:20 Umbire: so unless I spend time improving my character substantially before Sokoban 23:20 and is such limited space for navigation 23:20 But in mines sometimes an elden minotaur is just blocked by pathfinding :P 23:20 truly a death trap 23:20 what happens is that I end up struggling in the second level stairs room 23:20 running away, and dying on the way back 23:20 oh does mines end still generate minotaurs in 3.6.7? 23:21 that bug was fixed, I can't remember which version the fix went into 23:21 I think it was probably one of the 3.6 versions though 23:21 No I think. 23:21 maybe it was a 3.7 bug in the first place 23:21 Yeah that was fixed in 3.6.1 iirc? 23:21 you can still get a polytrapped one though 23:22 Yes it's evilhack that sometimes there're really scary monsters in lower mines, but they just cannot walk to me. 23:22 my TNNT approach to Mine's End is basically "get the luckstone and swap chest then get out" 23:22 [AU] bleeko (Pri Elf Fem Cha) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Loki, on T:19384 23:22 a luckstone is basically a slotless +3 ring of increase accuracy in the early game, which is actually really useful 23:22 also reduces the chance of chest traps firing 23:22 [US] Zolar (Val Dwa Fem Law) found kitten, on T:2575 23:23 in the late game the accuracy increase doesn't matter so much 23:23 stenno: yes, although chest traps are generally a pretty minor part of the game 23:23 i used to stash all my explody stuff when looting the votd, turns out i don't have to worry with high luck 23:23 I'm not sure excatly know what luck affects, but seems it affects a lot. 23:23 i lost quite a few games in teh votd because my resources blew up lol 23:23 [EU] Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu) found kitten, on T:2698 23:23 Always reaching 13 luck when playing.. 23:23 with 0 luck 23:23 I've played games where I entirely disregard the existence of chest traps pre-Castle, and ignore chests post-Castle, and nothing has gone wrong (it could have gone wrong, but the odds are low enough to not really care) 23:24 it _will_ happen in the votd :D 23:24 I got hit by the conf+hallu trap a couple of times, but had a unihorn so it didn't really do anything 23:24 [US] [D]: k2 (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 1242 points, 2496 turns, killed by a Woodland-elf 23:24 fooood time 23:24 stenno: yes, but by the VotD I'm normally past the point where I care about looting chests 23:24 K2: ingame or IRL? 23:24 irl 23:24 you don't loot votd? D: 23:24 thanksgiving leftovers are once again calling to me 23:25 i am hungry too but it is already past midnight 23:25 i could make a cup noodles i guess but i am already in bed 23:25 stenno: why would I? I have the Castle wand at that point 23:25 Ah i would eat that before sleep. 23:25 [US] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming an orc shaman, on T:3488 23:26 and all the items I care about from that point onwards, other than ?oGD, are primarily created as monster deathdrops 23:26 [EU] nurdglaw (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed amulet of life saving", on T:53355 23:26 oh, a few rings I guess 23:26 ais523: scrolls, rings, potions 23:26 but it's easier and faster to wish for any missing asc kit pieces than it is to look in all the chests to see if they're there 23:26 stenno: which scrolls? 23:26 any scrolls 23:26 if only for blanking 23:26 [EU] Dictyostelium (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3216 23:26 for potions, the only one that matters is !oFH and it, and its alchemy ingredients, drop from monsters 23:27 oh, is that why I keep running out of paper? :-D 23:27 but, there are plenty of ?oCM in Gehennom 23:27 paper is really really difficult to get 23:27 can't revgeno golems 23:27 yeah paper is pretty annoying 23:27 i am usually out of paper at some point in the game 23:27 could use some more rightn ow 23:27 not so much which potions 23:27 I save a lot of paper by not bothering writing very much ?oEA 23:27 with* 23:28 [US] crunchbubba (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:17484 23:28 I could use some EA right now 23:28 -20 AC is enough to ascend as long as you have a secondary way to mitigate damage or heal, you don't really need -40 or -50 23:28 Not as a strict necessity mind 23:28 but it's nice and I like nice things 23:28 with the orb of fate and conflict, 0 AC is fine 23:28 [EU] [D]: Gandelf (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 2436 points, 3437 turns, killed by a burning book, while fainted from lack of food 23:28 More than anything I like some fallback material for emergency scrolls 23:29 there is not much that is not possible in nethack 23:29 depends on how much risk you are willing to take 23:29 [US] hothraxxa (Rog Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:18845 23:29 I'm always saying this 23:29 (but actually) 23:29 my Wizard ascension, I had the orb of fate, staff of aesculapius (for lifesteal healing) and like five potions of full healing 23:29 that was enough for all three altars 23:29 if you get FH from monsters, you can also get more paper by killing monsters before they read their paper 23:29 at AC -24 I think 23:29 were you dropping fireball explosions liek a madman? 23:29 oof is such a great artifact, its so powerful but its balanced by its weight 23:29 anyway, I have decided I disagree with people who say that wizard is good lategame 23:30 love it 23:30 I don't know but I often need -35 AC to ascend :P 23:30 if you grind up to really good stats, it's good, but then any other role would be too 23:30 if you are ascending with typical ais523 stats, it is noticeably inferior to, say, valk or ranger 23:30 it has better access to qol stuff in boring hell like magic mapping spam 23:30 hungerless spellcasting is nice 23:30 also unknown-writing scrolls 23:30 [US] a1 (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Ixoth, on T:16407 23:30 and also dropping crazy fireball nukes on astral is awesome 23:30 which is less relevant in the lategame i guess 23:30 because you are limited by Pw which is limited by the amulet of yendor 23:30 Demo: aren't most monsters on Astral fire-immune? 23:30 unnethack teleports the ammy away when you drop it 23:31 so you cannot be sneaky with Pw on the asc run 23:31 in 343, no. 23:31 huh, no, angels are immune to cold but not fire 23:31 as in drop, cast, pick up 23:31 so, they take double damage from fire 23:31 how strange 23:31 in 36/37 i have no idea if it is changed 23:31 this is why firebrand is popular for astral 23:31 and fireball spell 23:31 you can still drop the Amulet to cast I think, but that costs turns 23:31 dropping it, then picking it back up 23:31 you're probably thinking of purple L and like 23:32 astral red D? 23:32 the best thing about the places is that a single dust vortex is generated on the plane of fire and immediately dies because its not fire resistant 23:32 red D is possible on Astral but not that common 23:32 random red DSM playermons 23:32 [US] [D]: tizreader (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1384 points, 3326 turns, killed by a dwarf 23:32 stenno: that reminds me of that one goomba in super mario 64 that spawns at the death plane at the bottom of the map for 1 frame 23:32 i was very happy when i figured that out while calculating chances of Archon spawning on Fire 23:33 augh 23:33 aw rip goomba 23:33 god dammit i will make cup noodles 23:33 -!- HalNovek has quit [Quit: Client closed] 23:33 enemies can exist on the death plane I think? 23:34 Umbire: yes, but it despawns because it's too far away 23:34 right 23:34 "death plane" describes the portion of the map where the game just insta-punts you from the level 23:34 * stenno BLJs from DL1 to the planes without ammy 23:35 * stenno gets softlocked on the Plane of Earth 23:35 [US] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a xorn, on T:53089 23:35 oh right lol 23:35 GBJ 23:35 i'd have to jump to astral directly 23:35 y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-yahooo 23:36 this sounds like a Dudley's Dungeon comic – the problem is that NetHack doesn't have facing so you can't really #jump backwads 23:36 interface question: is there a way to inspect stacks from afar? 23:36 no 23:36 no 23:36 the character isn't suppose to know what's in the stack 23:36 could've sworn I saw someone doing it but I didn't think so 23:37 branchport skip is the closest to blj 23:37 but what about known stacks? 23:37 I'm not even sure whether wand of probing works 23:37 [US] spazm (Pri Elf Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:30010 23:37 Nesta: so the game doesn't actually know whether the stack is known or not 23:37 it should 23:37 pen&paper it is then 23:37 I'm p sure delicatessens aren't supposed to sell statues, right? which means this might be a bones level... hrm 23:37 [US] spazm (Pri Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:30011 23:37 or a mimic 23:37 it just kind-of cheats – it remembers what the character thinks the item on top of the stack looks like, and compares that to the item that actually is on top of the stack 23:37 sometimes mimic forms don't match shop contents 23:37 .......,right, or a mimic 23:37 ais523: grinding up to really good stats is easier as a wizard because you can cast create monster a lot with the EotA 23:38 and if they match, it assumes you know what's there 23:38 * karafruit totally thought of that 23:38 anyway saving again, gonna finish mapping Gehennom for extra loot and then contemplate wiz tower 23:38 this means that if, say, you see a stack of a +1 sword and a +2 sword, and one of them gets stolen, it assumes you know which one is there because you remember "sword" on top of the stack 23:38 [US] [D]: malor (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 4262 points, 2407 turns, killed by an incubus 23:39 as long as there's not a far-look axis I didn't know about, but it's a pain point 23:39 [US] a1 (Kni Hum Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:16735 23:40 FIQHack has the most comprehensive improvements to that problem, it remembers what the character knows about the location of every item in the dungeon 23:40 and lets you do things like search your memory for a particular item 23:40 I would have done this in NH4 but couldn't figure out how to implement it 23:40 thats how it should be btw 23:40 like in dcss 23:40 yes 23:41 implementation difficulty is the primary reason it isn't in my variants – maybe I should look to see how FIQHack does it 23:41 i want to implement that as a feature in my online ttyrec player like you did with jettyplay 23:41 but first i have to clean up 23:42 is that yours that hardfought is using? 23:42 [US] [D]: WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 5438 points, 3783 turns, killed by a gnome king 23:42 jettyplay is my measuring scale on how good my browser thing is working 23:42 hmm dunno 23:42 i know we tried it getting to run at some point 23:42 i thought paxed had something to do with it 23:42 i don't htink that is what is currently used, i think its the one from paxed 23:42 yeah 23:42 I need to work out how to build jettyplay on modern computers 23:42 NAO has one too 23:42 so that I can fix it to work with modern terminals 23:42 ais523: i know how to do gpgpu in the browser now, so that will be something 23:43 anyway for me its biggest failing is not being able to jump to a frame 23:43 [US] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 gauntlets of dexterity", on T:53366 23:43 JTA, which I took the terminal code decoder from, is really showing its age 23:43 i can do that with my online thing but i haven't implemented it yet 23:43 its impossible with paxeds program i think 23:43 i still use jettyplay mostly, but it chokes on big ttyrecs 23:44 https://stenno.github.io/ here is my online ttyrec player, but the load from url is not working atm 23:44 hothraxxa: in what way? 23:44 [US] [D]: quervo1 (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 635 points, 2015 turns, killed by a kitten 23:44 i haven't touched it in a long time because i know i have to do cleanup and stuff but rather would like to implement new features 23:44 it could just be memory exhaustion I think, Java can be really memory-hungry 23:45 it just gets slower and slower loading, and then dies 23:45 yes, memory exhaustion 23:45 yeah i think it's a memory thing 23:45 I think the java runtime has a command-line option to increase how much memory it can use 23:45 hmm 23:45 so i feel bad when doing cleanup because thats not what i want to do, and feel bad when implementing more features because its what i should not do 23:45 how big ttyrecs are we talking? 23:45 I would like to rewrite it in a more efficient language but don't know when I'll have enough mental capacity 23:46 [US] spazm (Pri Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed spellbook of finger of death", on T:30018 23:46 [US] Bean (Rog Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:14235 23:46 but it might also be possible to optimise the internal structures, which generally means writing them in a less Java-like way 23:46 stenno: i sometimes have sessions that are 4-5 hours long. i don't recall where the choke point is though 23:46 [EU] [D]: Dictyostelium (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 3278 points, 3696 turns, poisoned by a rotted forest centaur corpse, while helpless 23:46 there is an amazingly terrible ttyrec to test it 23:46 50 MB 23:46 dnethack i think 23:47 Jettyplay lists memory use on its status bar I think 23:47 [US] spazm (Pri Elf Mal Cha) genocided disenchanter, on T:30095 23:47 it does 23:47 with an insanely large screen 23:47 yeah i use a large screen 23:47 i think it even changes display modes every now and then 23:47 i call it 'the ttyrec of doom' and use it for testing 23:47 gotta look where i have it 23:47 -!- efot has joined #tnnt 23:47 ooh, I bet the reason for the high memory use is that there are lots of consecutive frames where not much changes 23:48 that's the reason i started to use jettyplay. termplay doesn't like non-standard screen sizes 23:48 and yet the entirety of each of them has to be stored in memory 23:48 you'd need some sort of delta compression with keyframes to work around that 23:48 does it? don't you use checkpoints? 23:49 stenno: jettyplay currently basically stores an array of characters and attributes for every frame 23:49 oh ooof 23:49 i implemented checkpoints in mine 23:49 and doesn't decode on the playback thread, the decode is entirely done during loading 23:49 the alternative implementation is to just store screenshots every now and then, and decode forwards from them in order to reach the frames in between 23:49 i do one very quick run where i just pipe dozens of megabytes into my virtual terminal to find max screen size and create checkpoints 23:50 (and number of frames) 23:50 and then just use the checkpoints to create a stream of ttyrec with the raw data 23:50 one property of jettyplay that's important to me is that you can start playback while it decodes in the background 23:50 so i can then parallelize e.g. searching for a thing 23:50 it takes a few seconds only 23:51 so immediate play is not relevant for me 23:51 (this is especially important when using it to watch a live game – it can, e.g., play back a ttyrec that's currently being written to by another process) 23:51 like 3-4 seconds for 50 mb 23:51 stenno: where can I find the (unminified) source code and what is the license? 23:51 I vaguely remember getting it to watch games via dgl, I can't remember whether that was a finished feature or just an experiment 23:52 [US] efot (Cav Gno Fem Neu) genocided class h, on T:42887 23:52 Noisytoot: https://github.com/stenno/onlinettyplay default gh license, so thats MIT i think 23:52 i do some crazy stuff there, and also some nasty stuff that should be cleaned up 23:53 stenno: github doesn't have a default license but package.json says ISC in that case 23:53 ah lol 23:53 i hope thats a good license? :D 23:53 should just do copyleft 23:53 stenno: at present this is default-all-rights-reserved 23:53 or the beer thing 23:53 thus, not usable by others 23:53 ah shit 23:53 well i wont sue anyone lol 23:54 I recommend GPL3/AGPL3 if you want copyleft, or Apache2 if you want a non-copyleft license 23:54 but i should change that 23:54 yeah gpl3 it will be 23:58 hmm actually 23:58 i thought i used indexeddb there 23:59 ah yeah in the development branch 23:59 i didn't merge that to master yet 23:59 [US] efot (Cav Gno Fem Neu) became Ishtar's Envoy of Balance, on T:43201 23:59 Noisytoot: development branch is the interesting one 23:59 wait there is even 'jump to frame' implemented in development lol 23:59 [US] Zolar (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur, on T:4588