00:00 DAILY STATS AT 2023-11-18 00:00 UTC: Games: 338, Asc: 12, Scum: 85. 1381331 turns, 33508710 points. 15d 13:53 gametime. (29%Wiz), (40%Hum), (62%Neu), (53%Mal), 12d 23:59 remaining. 00:00 [US] tjw (Ran Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed ring of teleportation", on T:55132 00:00 [US] Furey (Hea Gno Mal Neu) removed mobileuser's uncursed +0 set of gray dragon scales from the swap chest, on T:23537 00:01 [US] [D]: tizreader (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 102 points, 641 turns, killed by a fox 00:03 [US] tjw (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Death (10 times), on T:55161 00:03 two guaranteed sinks in devteam office, i think the devteam members themselves use their sinks for level-up parties 00:03 [AU] Tangles (Ran Elf Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:32965 00:03 [AU] Tangles (Ran Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:32966 00:04 [US] [D]: nabru (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 94 points, 215 turns, killed by a magic missile 00:05 The office sink got my current knight to XL 14. That succubus still has like 25k of my gold. 00:05 Furey: Yeah I could have done that. Multiple sinks elsewhere in the dungeon too. 00:05 [US] [D]: tizreader (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 67 points, 501 turns, killed by a sewer rat 00:05 man it is very easy to die as a tourist 00:06 ooh, a towel 00:06 y double-team. nice 00:06 ...and a red dragon on the way out of vlad's tower drops a potion of gain level. 00:06 said like a true tourist 00:07 dragons are great for late-game potions 00:07 man this plate mail is great for defense but heavy as all hell 00:08 You're not encumbered I hope 00:08 burdened 00:08 maybe I'll just endure it until level 2 00:08 I'm being bullied by a wererat :( 00:09 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 00:10 [US] Furey (Hea Gno Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:23830 00:10 if I drop all my food, I'm no longer burdened 00:11 yeah I don't need 9 food ration right now 00:11 -!- Arseniy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:11 Throne wish in DevTeam office! 00:12 -!- Demo1 has joined #tnnt 00:12 [EU] HalNovek (Hea Gno Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed amulet of reflection", on T:21039 00:12 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 00:13 [US] tjw (Ran Elf Fem Cha) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Mars, on T:55415 00:13 woah! shop magic marker 00:14 hang on 00:14 If I put gold into a bag and become unencumbered, does that mean it's a BoH? 00:15 yes! :) 00:15 also a non-cursed one! 00:15 -!- Demo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:16 err, with gold specifically, there's a possibility it wasn't a BoH 00:16 if there was gold inside it already 00:16 due to rounding errors 00:17 it's pretty unlikely but has been observed to happen on occasion 00:17 [US] [D]: nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 548 points, 1176 turns, killed by a water elemental 00:17 oh, thanks, I didn't know that! Then tizreader has to put in something else to be sure. 00:17 e.g. 60zm and 120zm both weigh 1 I think 00:18 so you can reduce your inventory weight very slightly by combining a 60zm stack inside a container with a 60zm stack outside 00:18 or vice versa 00:18 [US] bouquet (Rog Hum Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:68573 00:19 [US] stagnate (Sam Hum Mal Law) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3686 00:20 [EU] noims (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:45623 00:23 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 00:24 [US] [D]: nabru (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 1494 points, 727 turns, killed by a dwarf, while praying 00:25 'night! time to sleep... :) 00:25 -!- HalNovek has quit [Quit: Client closed] 00:26 [US] [D]: tizreader (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 428 points, 1346 turns, killed by a dart 00:26 and that's why encumberance is bad 00:26 I see now 00:26 welp 00:29 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 00:30 [US] nabru (Bar Orc Fem Cha) destroyed tizreader's ghost, the former Sightseer, on T:1414 00:30 You got burdened and a dart caught up to you? 😏 00:30 $lastgame Tizreader 00:30 nabru: [US] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/t/tizreader/tnnt/dumplog/1700265931.tnnt.html 00:31 nice, +4 elven mithril coat 00:31 Na-bruh 00:31 zapped /oPoly at my little dog... The little dog turns into a dog! 00:31 [US] rvcx (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:11785 00:35 [US] tjw (Ran Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed chrysoberyl stone", on T:55796 00:35 [EU] finitelycraig (Pri Hum Mal Law) killed Medusa, on T:47070 00:36 [US] bouquet (Rog Hum Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:69457 00:38 [US] [D]: k2 (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 321 points, 890 turns, killed by a gnomish wizard 00:42 [EU] askhl (Sam Hum Fem Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:16519 00:43 [US] hothraxxa (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Orcus, on T:69858 00:43 [US] nabru (Bar Orc Fem Cha) murdered her faithful large dog, on T:2821 00:46 [US] nabru (Bar Orc Fem Cha) removed Furey's uncursed +0 pair of speed boots from the swap chest, on T:3127 00:49 [US] nabru (Bar Orc Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:3465 00:50 freaking dogs are food vacuums 00:51 [US] klepto (Ran Elf Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:11070 00:52 [US] nabru (Bar Orc Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:3561 00:52 [EU] Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu) removed Furey's blessed bag of holding from the swap chest, on T:17924 00:53 [US] nabru (Bar Orc Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a newt, on T:3790 00:53 ... 00:53 at least I don't break out of my armor 00:54 [EU] askhl (Sam Hum Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:16592 00:54 [US] terrapin (Val Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:9490 00:55 [US] nabru (Bar Orc Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed greased fireproof +3 cloak of magic resistance", on T:3973 00:55 there's still hope 00:55 [US] haldisse (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:18243 00:56 [EU] Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:18051 00:59 [US] [D]: karafruit (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 2670 points, 7458 turns, choked on a bugbear corpse 00:59 whoops 00:59 totally forgotten I'd just eaten a huge chunk of meat... 01:01 [US] [D]: habib (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 6360 points, 5966 turns, killed by a mastodon called cat 01:02 what choking sounds like 01:02 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/503281133438369792/1175239553083260999/image.png?ex=656a8220&is=65580d20&hm=781c3b0ed62a18273e4449b53ccede0d320164fa539104134914d4f108b4b16b& 01:02 [US] [D]: haldisse (Val Dwa Fem Law), 46463 points, 18914 turns, killed by a gray unicorn 01:04 why did I wield that katana 01:04 I was too excited and it was cursed 01:04 well there's an excuse to train up longsword I guess 01:05 [EU] askhl (Sam Hum Fem Law) received Excalibur, on T:17151 01:05 -!- efot has joined #tnnt 01:06 [US] nabru (Bar Orc Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5249 01:07 if there's one thing better than a cursed katana it's a cursed corroded katana 01:08 oh god that's a wand of death, not sleep 01:09 [US] tizreader (Tou Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:3718 01:09 [US] jonosmalls88 (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (master mind flayer), on T:10184 01:09 Well that's one way to drop a cursed katana 01:09 [US] habib (Cav Hum Fem Law) found kitten, on T:991 01:10 can you pray to cure lycanthropy or do I need to be human? 01:11 [US] [D]: nabru (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 27885 points, 5441 turns, killed by a troll 01:11 you can pray 01:14 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 01:15 [US] efot (Ran Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased fireproof +2 cloak of protection", on T:23445 01:16 [US] rvcx (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:14458 01:17 [US] klepto (Ran Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:14237 01:17 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 01:22 [US] spleen (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:57184 01:23 [US] klepto (Ran Elf Fem Cha) removed cathartes' uncursed scroll of genocide from the swap chest, on T:14933 01:28 [US] klepto (Ran Elf Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:15601 01:30 PANIK 01:30 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/503281133438369792/1175246710331682857/image.png?ex=656a88ca&is=655813ca&hm=0efa6bc84b9d9a6efe4f78d247cd13fc2905832a47ae67cd6ff3516afca13a1d& 01:30 do not want to throw that 01:31 [AU] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) became literate by engraving "asdfasdf", on T:4428 01:31 [EU] askhl (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:17791 01:32 [US] [D]: tizreader (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 2484 points, 5759 turns, killed by an ape 01:32 aaaaaaaargh 01:33 and this is why you don't hold s for any period of time 01:33 counts will be my friend 01:33 [EU] noims (Val Dwa Fem Law) removed Shrigis' 4 blessed scrolls of enchant weapon from the swap chest, on T:50841 01:33 never hold s indeed 01:35 [US] bleeko (Pri Elf Fem Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3253 01:36 aaaargh is right ditto 01:36 [US] [D]: Nesta (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 2448 points, 5492 turns, killed by a soldier ant 01:36 [EU] Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu) averted death (died of starvation), on T:21884 01:36 [EU] noims (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased rustproof +3 helm of telepathy", on T:50900 01:36 n22s or n55s are my goto 01:37 No particular reason for the numbers other than being the same key. 01:37 Though I must say I'm surprised at how tough my orcish barbs have been 01:37 "9s" keys wear on on my keyboards 01:38 I've typed E-yElbereth so much I can probably do it in sub 1ms 01:39 [US] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:80197 01:39 I usually use n100s 01:39 100 is probably overkill 01:39 [US] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:80201 01:40 I usually use 20s 01:40 Then when I get MB I usually stop E-a Elbereth losing MB's biggest power, like an idiot 01:40 I don't like 100 because I want to manage hunger.  If I don't find something by ~55 I'll leave it until later since usually it isn't truly important. 01:40 many many many many many dead wizards thanks to me 01:41 [US] [D]: Kewl (Ran Hum Mal Neu), 3086 points, 3968 turns, killed by a rothe 01:41 [EU] noims (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided class ;, on T:50917 01:42 [US] efot (Ran Elf Fem Cha) bribed Asmodeus with 1124 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:24711 01:42 I usually have my main weapon on a. If I have an permanent engraving item (athame in vanilla) it's often also my main weapon. I once accidentally engraved with a (which was a long sword) when my permanent engraving item was on b and had a demon lord summoned while I was engraving because it's not interruptible for some reason (until 3.7). 01:42 [EU] noims (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:50926 01:46 [US] bleeko (Pri Elf Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3697 01:47 [US] [D]: bleeko (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 2983 points, 3713 turns, killed by a soldier ant 01:50 [US] Bean (Hea Hum Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:34123 01:50 [US] walkera (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:90326 01:54 [US] a1 (Kni Hum Fem Law) had Demonbane bestowed upon her by Lugh, on T:25864 01:55 [US] Bean (Hea Hum Fem Neu) removed cathartes' uncursed ring of conflict from the swap chest, on T:34528 01:59 [US] k2 (Rog Orc Mal Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Kos, on T:1829 02:01 [US] Bean (Hea Hum Fem Neu) wished for "Blessed amulet of life saving", on T:34860 02:01 [EU] [D]: Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 56904 points, 24780 turns, poisoned by a rotted dwarf corpse, while fainted from lack of food 02:02 [US] [D]: jonosmalls88 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 72573 points, 11634 turns, killed by an elf-lord, while sleeping 02:02 [US] walkera (Val Hum Fem Neu) genocided class L, on T:90669 02:02 [US] Bean (Hea Hum Fem Neu) wished for "2 Blessed scrolls of genocide", on T:34867 02:02 [US] Bean (Hea Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:34868 02:03 [US] Bean (Hea Hum Fem Neu) wished for "Blessed magic marker", on T:34870 02:03 [US] Bean (Hea Hum Fem Neu) genocided class h, on T:34872 02:04 [US] gruefood (Bar Hum Mal Neu) found kitten, on T:31536 02:04 [EU] noims (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:52347 02:04 [EU] noims (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:52348 02:04 you can force stormbringer with sting and orcrist named correct? 02:05 If you're an Elf 02:06 [US] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Law) performed the invocation, on T:80592 02:07 [US] Zolar (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:33442 02:08 [US] Kewl (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) murdered his faithful kitten, on T:172 02:10 I am so should be fine 02:10 ty tjw 02:10 [US] Bean (Hea Hum Fem Neu) killed Asmodeus, on T:35320 02:10 [US] bleeko (Pri Elf Fem Cha) found kitten, on T:1521 02:11 [US] klepto (Ran Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:17976 02:12 [US] Bean (Hea Hum Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:35359 02:12 [US] [D]: bleeko (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 628 points, 1608 turns, killed by a gnome lord 02:12 [US] [D]: stagnate (Sam Hum Mal Law), 6145 points, 5546 turns, killed by a black unicorn 02:14 [US] [D]: Kewl (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 376 points, 1109 turns, killed by Ms. Konosja; the shopkeeper 02:16 also if you're not a wizard (they get magicbane anyway) 02:20 [AU] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:6421 02:25 -!- anselmus has joined #tnnt 02:27 [US] klepto (Ran Elf Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:19622 02:27 never again monster poly 02:27 you never think you'll get an arch lich until you do 02:28 [US] karafruit (Hea Gno Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed rustproof the platinum yendorian express card", on T:5628 02:29 [US] Bean (Hea Hum Fem Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:36918 02:30 [US] klepto (Ran Elf Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:20221 02:31 Noisytoot I've ruined a lot of weapons by muscle memory that way and died also, but not to a demon lord yay! 02:31 [EU] noims (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided master mind flayer, on T:53781 02:34 [EU] noims (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:53826 02:34 [EU] noims (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:53827 02:35 [US] mrflash818 (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed jmcunx's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:27014 02:36 haha +1 hob raises my int to 8 02:36 [US] Ardub (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) became literate by reading a book, on T:4078 02:36 [US] [D]: jmcunx (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 326 points, 1461 turns, killed by Ms. Upernavik; the shopkeeper 02:37 [EU] noims (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:54007 02:38 [US] Bean (Hea Hum Fem Neu) killed Yeenoghu, on T:37606 02:39 [US] Bean (Hea Hum Fem Neu) killed Orcus, on T:37647 02:39 [US] rvcx (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) just blew up her bag of holding, on T:21498 02:39 [US] Bean (Hea Hum Fem Neu) wished for "Blessed magic marker", on T:37666 02:42 trying to id an obscure jpop song, any ideas where i could ask? 02:42 [US] spazm (Tou Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:12180 02:42 [US] Kewl (Kni Hum Mal Law) received Excalibur, on T:2411 02:43 -!- blackpenguin has quit [Server closed connection] 02:43 -!- blackpenguin has joined #tnnt 02:44 [US] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:81183 02:44 -!- crunchbubba has joined #tnnt 02:44 [US] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:81185 02:45 [EU] noims (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:54413 02:45 [EU] noims (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:54417 02:46 [US] jackbunny (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:17830 02:47 [US] karafruit (Hea Gno Mal Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Hermes, on T:6615 02:49 [US] klepto (Ran Elf Fem Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon her by Mars, on T:22414 02:49 [US] [D]: klepto (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 46310 points, 22443 turns, killed by Mr. Berbek; the shopkeeper, while praying 02:50 [US] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Law) wished for "fireproof marker", on T:81229 02:50 that was fast 02:50 [US] Bean (Hea Hum Fem Neu) just blew up her bag of holding, on T:38343 02:50 [US] spleen (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:59389 02:50 [US] a1 (Kni Hum Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a pit fiend, on T:27885 02:50 oh no klepto :( 02:51 rip :( 02:51 it was a good run. didn't think i'd make it past the arch lich in soko4 so I'm happy with how far I made it 02:52 It's gonna be one hell of a bones w/ that magic lamp and BoH 02:52 [US] Furey (Hea Gno Mal Neu) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:28329 02:52 if it's a shk death, those bones will be a lot more dangerous to you than anyone else 02:52 straight line between stormy and the angry shopkeeper 29 turns later? 02:53 [US] [D]: spleen (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 856670 points, 59439 turns, killed by a minotaur 02:54 aww spleen was pretty far in also 02:54 I’ve done that, stormy is really easy to forget about somehow 02:54 Loggers_VIII said: 02:54 !lastgame spleen 02:54 $lastgame spleen 02:54 [US] Bean (Hea Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:38704 02:54 [US] mrflash818 (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:27671 02:54 [US] Bean (Hea Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:38705 02:54 $lastgame spleen 02:54 giskjdkkfjjjd I always forget 02:54 Nesta: [US] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/s/spleen/tnnt/dumplog/1698990597.tnnt.html 02:55 -!- log has joined #tnnt 02:55 $lastgame spleen 02:55 log: [US] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/s/spleen/tnnt/dumplog/1698990597.tnnt.html 02:55 -!- log has quit [Client Quit] 02:55 Minos hurt :( 02:56 those minotaur butts tho 02:56 xan pricks too 03:00 No speed boots +burdened, looks like minotaur got 6-7 turns to his one. I wonder if being in a pit has an effect on to-hit either way. 03:02 seeing a death like that when the player has everything imaginable in their pack too 03:03 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #tnnt 03:04 [US] [D]: kewldewd (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 3753 points, 3666 turns, killed by a bolt of lightning 03:04 will sinks cause cursed levitation boots to fall off in this version? 03:04 so it was kyohei tsutsumi who i never even knew existed 03:05 bouquet yes I just wizmode'd it 03:06 heh, so did I but I only have evilhack for wiztesting. Wasn't sure how much the lined up 03:06 that is now the only jpop artist I know :-) noted and thanks 03:06 and yeah -14 isn't gonna do crap against a mino 03:07 o wow 70s, groovy 03:08 this is the song i was trying to id hehe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDu4hx--EF0 03:09 -!- Staengia has joined #tnnt 03:09 [US] bouquet (Rog Hum Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:71351 03:10 [US] Zolar (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "magic marker", on T:39886 03:11 for comparison my genre is Finnish melodic death metal (Insomnium, Swallow the Sun, Moonsorrow)... very different from this 03:11 [EU] noims (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed -3 bill-guisarme named unusual wish", on T:56352 03:12 melodic death metal lol 03:13 it's a serious genre with high musicianship and production standards and I'm not joking so 03:14 melodic death metal's fun 03:14 i know, i have a great respect for guitarists 03:15 my genre of choice is straight boring old hip hop :P 03:15 [US] [D]: rvcx (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 107973 points, 24481 turns, killed by a giant beetle (and 21 other games not reported) 03:15 death metal would be appropriate for my performance in tnnt 03:15 For something lighter and more accessible, how about the French band Gojira? 03:16 [US] [D]: Loggers (Bar Hum Mal Cha), 508 points, 1246 turns, killed by a fox, while frozen by a monster's gaze 03:16 -!- blankman has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:16 Or the English band Tesseract? Some of my all time favorites. 03:17 [EU] noims (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of gold detection", on T:56633 03:17 -!- blankman has joined #tnnt 03:18 my prob with most music now is the lyrics 03:18 [US] arnibald (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:75591 03:18 -!- nicole has quit [*.net *.split] 03:18 -!- nicole has joined #tnnt 03:19 but used to like all that stuff 03:20 Finnish death metal lyrics are like "In shrouding veil of thickening dusk In the caress of darkening woods 03:20 There winds my path, narrow and fading" 03:23 99% of 70's lyrics were shit 03:23 the rfk level NKEs should change appearance when hallucinating 03:23 [US] bleeko (Pri Elf Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:3634 03:23 [US] Bean (Hea Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:41108 03:23 either about sex or intentionally obscure crap no one can possibly care about 03:23 [US] Bean (Hea Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:41111 03:23 [US] Loggers (Bar Hum Mal Cha) found kitten, on T:1684 03:24 -!- Noims has joined #tnnt 03:24 [US] arnibald (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:75957 03:24 Bands like Spirit, Asleep at the Wheel, Mountain and Foghat were pretty solid with their lyrics. 03:25 What do you think of when you think "70s?" Yes, King Crimson, Rush? 03:25 [US] Bean (Hea Hum Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:41315 03:25 Rush & Pink Floyd 03:25 [EU] noims (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:56876 03:25 Who had more intelligent, literate, well edited lyrics than Rush? 03:26 I saw Rush in the 80's and my ears rang for 2 days lol 03:26 [US] [D]: Evendur (Ran Orc Fem Cha), 129 points, 625 turns, killed by a black pudding 03:26 I saw the Stones twice in one day, Dallas and Fort Worth TX 03:26 i'm not sure anyone really had anything to say, so they just tried to be "profound" 03:26 Peart & Waters lyrics ruled. 03:26 Nick Drake had a lot to say 03:27 [US] Bean (Hea Hum Fem Neu) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:41433 03:27 [US] Bean (Hea Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:41435 03:27 I think you can probably say that about literally any poet who's ever lived lol 03:28 "That Johnny Keats sure did go on and on about nothing!" 03:28 -!- Bleeko has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:29 [US] [D]: Loggers (Bar Hum Mal Cha), 1361 points, 2645 turns, killed by a dwarf 03:29 what would be an example of these great lyricsts 03:30 -!- stagnate has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:30 "You can be the Captain, 03:30 I will draw the Chart, 03:30 Sailing into destiny, 03:30 Closer to the Heart" 03:31 oh come on 03:31 If you've penned better lyrics than that can I be your agent? 03:31 anselmus: Paul Simon 03:31 Tom Waits 03:31 even sailing by christopher cross would beat that 03:32 That's a well crafted song in every respect, sure. 03:33 I'm going to go with Weird Al for best lyricist of all time lol 03:33 John Prine, Robert Hunter, Lamont Dozier 03:33 lol kewldewd 03:34 You might not be wrong w/Al frfr 03:34 I don't know about all time 03:34 definitely top 5 :p 03:34 Loggers_VIII: well, he'd be up there lmao 03:35 [EU] noims (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:57204 03:35 i've always felt the cocteau twins' lyrics had certain je ne sais quoi 03:35 I mean Irving Berlin, Hoagie Carmichael, Oscar Hammerstein? 03:35 anselmus: Cross swept the grammys with that album. 03:36 the hell is a je ne sais quoi 03:36 [US] arnibald (Bar Orc Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:76905 03:36 [US] arnibald (Bar Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:76909 03:36 actually I looked it up, that might be a hard question to answer 03:36 [EU] noims (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Death, on T:57233 03:36 heh 03:36 terrapin: love the cocteau twins, but I can't understand the lyrics 03:37 exactly 03:37 Loggers_VIII: "I don't know." 03:37 "je ne sais quoi" 03:37 Jerome Kern? Johnny Mathis? Goethe? 03:37 kodon: but again is it anything more than "gee i wish i was happy" 03:38 you can simplify any good theme down to one sentence though really 03:38 [US] a1 (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:29345 03:38 "Man has not evolved one inch from the slime which formed him." 03:38 yeah i think maybe pop music is for young people 03:39 [US] Staengia (Arc Hum Mal Law) made his first wish - "blessed amulet of reflection", on T:23472 03:39 "The girl you like does not like you back" is a solid recurring theme 03:39 [EU] noims (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Famine, on T:57320 03:39 anselmus: I'm sure you can simplify most songs into about 4 categories. "Happy" or "Love, "Sad" or "I wish I was happy", "Anger", and "Angst" 03:39 -!- Waffa has joined #tnnt 03:40 pop is fun to listen to but yeah, if you want something a bit more complicated you'll have to listen to other genres usually 03:40 Most music is dead. They've run out of chord progessions without being sued. 03:41 just set your lyrics to a pachelbel canon. people will like and and they won't know why. 03:41 my experience of Eurovision is that mostly they pick a random subset/ordering of the four basic chords I, IV, V, VI and use that 03:41 every possible ordering of those has been used in so many songs that they can't tell which one specifically you copied from :-) 03:42 hahaha ais523 03:42 you just get 100x the copyright infringement, obviously 03:42 Or ii-V-I for a more subtle but even more overworn mood 03:42 [US] [D]: Ardub (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 4943 points, 7232 turns, killed by a dwarf lord 03:43 II, III, VII seem to be reserved for the most ambitious composers, when it comes to what little of current pop music I have heard – and all the more interesting chords even more so 03:43 [EU] noims (Val Dwa Fem Law) averted death (petrified by tasting cockatrice meat), on T:57369 03:43 -!- Waffa1 has joined #tnnt 03:43 once you hear it, the damage is permanent, you can never be fooled again. psychoacoustic modeling is fun, like knowing how a stage illusion is done and still being taken in by the act. 03:44 -!- Waffa has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:44 Nesta: for me, the issue with stage illusions is knowing two or more plausible ways that they could be being done, and being unable to figure out which they're doing or whether they've come up with a third 03:44 -!- efot has quit [Quit: Client closed] 03:44 Like an opera scene that's overacted and hokey as hell but you still get sucked in and start crying. Manipulation by carefully crafted psychoacoustic musical effects 03:45 -!- xdminsy has joined #tnnt 03:45 billy joel said "people change" when asked why he doesn't write anymore, which i take to mean they eventually outgrow their simplistic sentiments 03:45 I've been watching a card trick knowing 2 ways to do it, a gimmicked deck and a fairly impressive slight. When I can't tell which, I'm very enteretained. 03:45 [US] Bean (Hea Hum Fem Neu) entered the Planes, on T:43777 03:46 [US] arnibald (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed Orcus, on T:77483 03:46 haha he really thought he was a Brooklyn badass when he wrote "stiletto". It was SO cringe then, but hilarious now 03:46 -!- Waffa has joined #tnnt 03:47 [EU] noims (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "uncursed scroll of punishment", on T:57378 03:47 lol used to listen to all his albums nonstop 03:47 [EU] noims (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided newt, on T:57380 03:48 -!- Waffa1 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:48 [US] [D]: Loggers (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 54 points, 181 turns, killed by a newt 03:48 I learned every one of his piano parts note for note, it's de riguer and I still play 'em 03:49 [US] [D]: Loggers (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 49 points, 237 turns, killed by a jackal 03:49 [EU] [A]: noims (Val Dwa Fem Law), 3149574 points, 57389 turns, ascended 03:49 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/n/noims/tnnt/dumplog/1700093290.tnnt.html 03:49 oo smoov noims 03:50 Gracias 03:50 gg 03:50 congrats! 03:51 was the 1 death notable? 03:51 grats noims! 03:51 [US] terrapin (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed bleeko's ghost, the former Adept, on T:10518 03:51 It was for an achievement - eatinng a cockatrice. 03:52 congrats on that! 03:52 Cheers. 03:52 also not so easy for a valk to get Doorstop 03:52 that's doable without a death, in theory 03:52 polymorph into something stoning-resistant 03:53 (in 3.7 it is very easy because you can get temporary stoning resistance by eating lizards – it only lasts a few turns, but would maybe be enough to eat a chickatrice?) 03:53 [US] Bean (Hea Hum Fem Neu) killed Death, on T:44024 03:53 [US] karafruit (Hea Gno Fem Neu) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Hermes, on T:11218 03:53 that's the first player-positive thing I've heard about 3.7 03:53 is the temp stoning res from eating gargoyles longer? 03:53 gee thanks Hermes 03:54 nesta perhaps you should learn more about 3.7 03:54 3.6.7 is hard enough, not going there until i have to 03:54 everyone likes to focus on the stuff that makes the game harder but there's a decent amount of buffs for the player in there 03:54 Nesta: IMO 3.7 generally fixes a lot of problems from 3.6 03:54 peak nh was 3.3.0 03:55 there are a few specific changes that lots of players hate, but lots of small improvements 03:55 Lots of interesting stuff at least. Nice to see things change up a bit. 03:55 it's like product reviews, only the complaints get posted :-) 03:55 the only bad 3.7 changes IMO are flipped sokoban and the thing where a monster picking up your projectiles un-ID's them 03:55 flipped sokoban I am okay with but it's so hated I can't in good faith call it a positive addition 03:56 [US] [A]: Bean (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 1854972 points, 44105 turns, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/B/Bean/tnnt/dumplog/1700187138.tnnt.html 03:56 gg 03:56 grats 03:56 these guys just keep coming 03:56 -!- Waffa1 has joined #tnnt 03:56 [US] [D]: Loggers (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 206 points, 658 turns, killed by a gnome zombie 03:56 spazm has 11 fucking ascs 03:57 -!- Waffa has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:57 -!- Waffa1 is now known as Waffa 03:58 just a typical day in the asc factory 03:59 [US] [D]: Ardub (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 490 points, 1419 turns, killed by a hobbit 03:59 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 04:00 Hourly Stats at 2023-11-18 04:00 UTC: Games: 14, Asc: 2, Scum: 2. 144234 turns, 5124711 points. (33%Tou), 12d 19:59 remaining. 04:00 we have the stars but you guys have the deep bench 04:02 [US] tjw (Ran Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed spellbook of stone to flesh", on T:55901 04:02 gg Bean! 04:02 [US] allanb (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed the Master Assassin, on T:33414 04:02 [US] allanb (Rog Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:33415 04:03 i watch their games and I'm like "yeah... same exact keys I would've pressed... but i would've died where they didn't!" 04:03 -!- cathartes has joined #tnnt 04:03 Except when they do utterly insane, infinitely improbable things and the rng rewards them 04:04 [US] tjw (Ran Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed spellbook of create familiar", on T:55916 04:04 The pros are super skilled at the whole "improve your chances of getting to the castle and then reduce the number of unforced errors after" 04:05 kara hermes wants you to know that there are no take backsies 04:05 never seen anyone do drain for gain with ogre, you could be the first 04:05 -!- martinp_ has joined #tnnt 04:05 [US] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) destroyed WizzyTheWeird's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:1684 04:06 -!- martinp has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:06 well I'll need to find some restore ability first... don't wanna lose those levels permenantly 04:07 but... could be worth it 04:07 naked healers need all the HP they can get 04:07 [US] k2 (Rog Orc Mal Cha) destroyed Nesta's ghost, the former Bandit, on T:3922 04:08 you're doing a nudist? yeah you need all the hp you can get. hope you get ?oG for nurse dancing too 04:08 -!- Noims has quit [Quit: Client closed] 04:08 Good luck! 04:08 mostly just trying to get to quest for achievement 04:08 but will see how far I can take it after that 04:08 I'm strongly considering blessed-genociding c if I get the chance 04:09 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:09 [US] spazm (Tou Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed greased fixed +2 cloak of magic resistance", on T:22596 04:09 perhaps mr loggers could improve on his 0.96% asc rate *cough* 04:10 [US] [D]: WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 2044 points, 2011 turns, killed by an ettin called Tina (and one other game not reported) 04:11 ascensions are fast, fun or frequent---pick 2 04:11 no wait that's evilhack. for 3.6 you only get 1 04:12 no i have identified the problem 04:13 [US] terrapin (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:12096 04:14 [US] [D]: Bean (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 430 points, 1641 turns, killed by a dwarf 04:14 [US] a1 (Kni Hum Fem Law) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Lugh, on T:30324 04:15 [US] [D]: WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 198 points, 418 turns, poisoned by a rotted sewer rat corpse (and 2 other games not reported) 04:17 [US] klepto (Ran Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:169 04:20 [US] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:82200 04:22 [US] [D]: klepto (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 348 points, 888 turns, killed by a giant bat 04:23 [US] [D]: WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 219 points, 459 turns, killed by a fox (and 10 other games not reported) 04:23 [US] bouquet (Rog Hum Fem Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:74606 04:24 [US] bouquet (Rog Hum Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 speed boots", on T:74608 04:25 [US] klepto (Ran Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:644 04:28 [US] k2 (Rog Orc Mal Cha) had Trollsbane bestowed upon him by Kos, on T:6486 04:28 [US] [D]: WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 213 points, 468 turns, killed by a dwarf, while unconscious from rotten food (and 3 other games not reported) 04:29 my ghost is honored to be killed by k2 04:29 [US] Staengia (Arc Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:27306 04:30 [US] [D]: Bean (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 584 points, 2507 turns, killed by a kitten, while helpless 04:30 -!- spontiff has joined #tnnt 04:30 karafruit don't be afraid of c's, you can be 100% safe and they are without a doubt THE best weapon in the game :-/ 04:31 ... and how is kara going to wield them? poly into a xorn? 04:31 wait you're gloveless? 04:31 [US] Ardub (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) destroyed Ardub's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:3666 04:31 -!- fakepass__ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:31 oh . nudist healer . yikes carry on 04:32 [US] walkera (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +2 cloak of displacement", on T:93370 04:32 but the xorn form isn't the worst idea 04:33 [US] allanb (Rog Orc Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:35995 04:34 [US] walkera (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed amulet of life saving", on T:93373 04:34 * Furey is taking notes for 2024 04:35 [US] tjw (Ran Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed saddle", on T:56291 04:36 [US] karafruit (Hea Gno Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:13609 04:36 [EU] spontiff (Cav Dwa Fem Law) killed Death, on T:59719 04:38 You feel here: n - corpse of a xorn named Nesta the insufferable troll 04:38 [US] [A]: tjw (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 3241945 points, 56314 turns, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/t/tjw/tnnt/dumplog/1699985505.tnnt.html 04:38 grats fellow dino tjw 04:39 thanks! 04:39 even mapped out the high temple vestibules 04:39 look Nesta I almost wished for a figurine of a troll named Nesta the other day 04:39 [US] k2 (Rog Orc Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8084 04:40 I'm just po'd about my character getting killed in a computer game that's all 04:40 that was for "Well... bye" achievement 04:41 [US] k2 (Rog Orc Mal Cha) removed Bean's uncursed +0 set of gray dragon scales from the swap chest, on T:8153 04:41 [US] [D]: kewldewd (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 1931 points, 3387 turns, killed by a watch captain 04:41 [US] [D]: klepto (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 2086 points, 2672 turns, killed by a giant ant, while frozen by a monster's gaze 04:42 even with the turns you had to spend to wrest the wish they didn't res? 04:43 [US] bouquet (Rog Hum Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:75890 04:43 [US] Staengia (Arc Hum Mal Law) destroyed Gandelf's ghost, the former Student of Stones, on T:28733 04:43 tjw seeing somebody else's elf ranger ascend always brings a tear to my eye ! 04:44 I had the remaining two riders blocked off with boulders so they couldn't bother me 04:45 [EU] spontiff (Cav Dwa Fem Law) killed Pestilence, on T:59794 04:45 [EU] spontiff (Cav Dwa Fem Law) killed Famine, on T:59797 04:45  grats tjw. Did you use a bunch of confused create monster? 04:45 getting boulders on astral is its own interesting gambit 04:45 [US] [D]: WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 814 points, 982 turns, killed by Mr. Kopasker; the shopkeeper 04:46 Can you still farm Death with a polearm or did 3.4.3 fix that? 04:46 [US] walkera (Val Hum Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:94009 04:46 klepto: yes I hoarded all of the ?oCM from the dungeon 04:46 GG tjw 04:47 [EU] spontiff (Cav Dwa Fem Law) wished for "holy figurine of a woodchuck", on T:59812 04:47 Death and other Riders can move monsters out of the way in 3.6. 04:47 so you can't really do the polearm farming 04:47 would /oCM work as well? Just seems like a lot of work with cMon scrolls 04:48 any CM method would work for filling up astral, it's just that acid blobs are harmless and won't cause problems for you 04:48 It might, but it's a lot easier to be surrounded by acid blobs than by random hostiles 04:48 [US] klepto (Ran Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1 04:49 confused ?oCM creates 13 monsters that are passive. /oCM creates 1 monster that is hostile. 04:49 the polearm farming is done with boulders not jellies 04:50 you can't hit a place you can't see with a polearm 04:50 Also the /CM is less efficient on a weight basis 04:50 there was a pretty infamous YAAP on nethack.alt.org where a pretty insane player farmed death umpteen times with a polearm from inside a boulder fort 04:51 but I'm sure that was in the 3.3 era 04:51 -!- Staengia has quit [Quit: Client closed] 04:52 [EU] [A]: spontiff (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 2799381 points, 59816 turns, ascended 04:52 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/s/spontiff/tnnt/dumplog/1699810799.tnnt.html 04:53 GG spontiff 04:53 ty 04:54 [US] allanb (Rog Orc Mal Cha) removed Tangles' uncursed ring of slow digestion from the swap chest, on T:36323 04:54 grats spontiff. deliberately angered Anu before offering? 04:55 No - I thought I'd go for the astral sac achievement and fogot that wishing up the woodchuck had hosed my prayer timeout 04:55 [US] klepto (Ran Elf Fem Cha) found kitten, on T:1198 04:55 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:55 [US] [D]: klepto (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 553 points, 1226 turns, killed by a manes 04:56 [US] [D]: WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 800 points, 890 turns, killed by an imp (and one other game not reported) 04:56 [US] Ardub (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed greased fixed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:4519 04:56 yo nice game spontiff, gg 04:57 [US] klepto (Ran Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:24 04:58 [US] Ardub (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) made his first artifact wish - "blessed fixed Master Key of Thievery", on T:4547 04:58 ty Nesta, klepto 04:59 -!- Umbire has joined #tnnt 04:59 [US] terrapin (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed tizreader's ghost, the former Excursionist, on T:15667 05:00 Hourly Stats at 2023-11-18 05:00 UTC: Games: 35, Asc: 2, Scum: 21. 133895 turns, 6051578 points. (57%Hum), 12d 18:59 remaining. 05:00 [US] [D]: WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 234 points, 394 turns, killed by a large mimic (and 3 other games not reported) 05:02 [US] klepto (Ran Elf Fem Cha) found kitten, on T:1204 05:02 [US] Ardub (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) destroyed WizzyTheWeird's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:4830 05:03 [US] bouquet (Rog Hum Fem Cha) removed terrapin's wand of polymorph (0:8) from the swap chest, on T:77762 05:04 [US] terrapin (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed nabru's ghost, the former Brigand, on T:15889 05:05 [EU] [D]: spontiff (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 391 points, 888 turns, killed by a djinni 05:06 I really need to fix my AC :( 05:06 mood 05:06 Dlvl:20, and AC:3 05:06 I'm just glad my AC is 5 instead of 10 05:10 How did you manage to get to 10!? 05:11 I'm doing a nudist run, so... no armor 05:13 [US] [D]: klepto (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 2191 points, 2759 turns, killed by a rothe 05:14 [US] karafruit (Hea Gno Fem Neu) removed noims' uncursed spellbook of magic missile from the swap chest, on T:15051 05:14 finally, a ranged attack! 05:14 [US] klepto (Ran Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:3 05:15 ... if your healer cav cast cross-school with no robe 05:15 I already had a lv 2 clerical I was at 0% so I knew it would be 0 05:15 [US] spazm (Tou Hum Mal Neu) removed cathartes' uncursed ring of conflict from the swap chest, on T:28636 05:16 oh, oh you can! 05:16 ...huh, I guess I don't need to worry about incubus removing my armor... 05:17 karafruit: Ah, fair. I'm doing similar in BG3, actually. 05:17 [US] gruefood (Bar Hum Mal Neu) averted death (petrified by a chickatrice), on T:36682 05:17 the incubus looks confused. "this is too easy." the incubus asks if you are a Kop! 05:17 Oh, wow, there's a Fire Elemental in the "primitive area". I guess I'm very lucky it's tame. 05:18 How nudist obtain MR? 05:18 PYEC for me rn 05:19 -!- spontiff has quit [Quit: Client closed] 05:19 Oh then there cannot be wishless :P. 05:19 -!- spontiff has joined #tnnt 05:19 I may be a fool, but I'm not that much of a fool. 05:20 No, I remember there's tinklebear who's trying to do nudist MR-less knight in evilhack. 05:20 Respect that. 05:20 [US] Scuzzery (Hea Hum Fem Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Hermes, on T:2797 05:21 [US] walkera (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed ring of slow digestion", on T:96128 05:22 [US] allanb (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed Asmodeus, on T:38071 05:23 [US] Scuzzery (Hea Hum Fem Neu) destroyed kewldewd's ghost, the former Bandit, on T:3057 05:27 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 05:28 [US] gruefood (Bar Hum Mal Neu) wished for "Blessed fireproof +2 cloak of magic resistance", on T:37067 05:29 [US] gruefood (Bar Hum Mal Neu) wished for "Blessed amulet of life saving", on T:37069 05:30 [US] Scuzzery (Hea Hum Fem Neu) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Hermes, on T:3852 05:32 i cannot wrap my head around that. how is the jousting mechanic in evil? 05:34 [US] Bean (Pri Hum Mal Cha) had Orcrist bestowed upon him by Offler, on T:11875 05:34 [US] [D]: Bean (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 14786 points, 11911 turns, killed by a pony 05:34 [US] karafruit (Hea Gno Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:16762 05:37 [AU] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:12099 05:37 I got a Really Cool T-Shirt! 05:37 "Volcom (Luck)Stone" 05:39 [US] Ardub (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7474 05:43 I really, really, really, really, really want a bag. :( 05:44 me too, got no bag in mines, no bag in sokoban, no bag in main dungeon down to level before medusa. using a large box. 05:44 [US] a1 (Kni Hum Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:33348 05:46 they should have an achievement for carrying a large box (or chest!) for 5000 turns or something, for the poor characters who couldn't find a bag 05:48 Tru 05:48 or a conduct, never have a non-empty container in open inventory 05:49 [US] Ardub (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) removed Bean's uncursed spellbook of extra healing from the swap chest, on T:8117 05:49 [US] klepto (Ran Elf Fem Cha) rejected atheism by offering an orc-captain corpse on an altar of Moloch, on T:5372 05:50 [US] a1 (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:33658 05:53 I did my 1st ice box delivery this tourney. only 2 goals i had were that + elf wiz.' 05:53 elf wiz attempts have been humbling, to say the least 05:54 i brought an ice box to the dev team office with booze and fruit juice. when i told patr about it, he got up and moved towards the snack room. :) 05:55 they are very fragile 06:00 Current Day as of 2023-11-18 06:00 UTC: Games: 87, Asc: 4, Scum: 33. 485236 turns, 12331581 points. 5d 17:12 gametime. (22%Wiz), (48%Hum), (46%Cha), (52%Mal), 12d 17:59 remaining. 06:02 [US] [D]: karafruit (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 50302 points, 17974 turns, killed by a leocrotta (and one other game not reported) 06:02 :(  :( :( 06:03 helluva run, kara 06:04 [US] spazm (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:34419 06:04 -!- a1 has joined #tnnt 06:05 yeah. luck was bound to run out sooner or later, was just hoping to get to the quest first 06:05 for the achievement 06:05 was level 12 with one potion of gain level, but hadn't found the level with the portal yet 06:05 leocrottas hit hard 06:07 [US] [D]: arthur (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 492 points, 2126 turns, killed by a bugbear 06:08 -!- spontiff has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:08 yeah i'm not comfortable around leocrottas until i'm about ac -8 06:09 perhaps go perm invis to avoid a lot of animals 06:09 that basically permanently locks you out of shops though because you can't mummy wrapping, would have to teleport in/out 06:09 which might be worth it 06:09 but I was def still using shops for price id'ing a lot 06:10 [US] gruefood (Bar Hum Mal Neu) killed Thoth Amon, on T:39810 06:10 [US] gruefood (Bar Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:39811 06:10 in retrospect I could have saved the run with an elbereth or something giving me time to heal up, but I thought I was two turns away from death, not one 06:12 at some point i would lock out a lot of things, one way suicide run to dev team office and then to quest leader. for rtq atheist, i ran through a big room that i was never going to survive if i saw it again. 06:12 [EU] Everdying (Arc Gno Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a yellow mold, on T:22484 06:13 yeah I dashed through the big room without engaging anything but was lucky the stairs were about 5-6 spaces away so I didn't get swarmed 06:13 going back through could have been rough 06:13 surprised you didn't hang out at mines end working the foocubus to xl 14 06:15 -!- BEHiker91W has joined #tnnt 06:15 I don't fully know how they work--tbh I thought the headache was permanent so I just killed it, but if I'd done my research and known better I probably should have, yeah. 06:18 -!- cathartes has quit [Quit: fly away] 06:22 well, next time. get another rare achievement tee shirt. except this one wouldn't be a tee shirt. an engraved ring, maybe. 06:22 Severe headache is permanent, then you could kill it. 06:22 yeah, I know that now. :) 06:22 Usually I just Elbereth and wait enough time to interact with incubus. 06:23 Still a bit time comsuming. 06:23 -!- elenmirie has joined #tnnt 06:23 yeah. would've probably been worth it though. Didn't have to worry about losing AC or reflection/MR while it was happening at least, either 06:24 [US] klepto (Ran Elf Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:11073 06:24 I'm surprised how easy Dragons are. 06:25 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 06:28 They are not strong but have a lot hp. 06:29 I seriously need a bag. :( 06:31 [US] arthur (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1640 06:33 [AU] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a troll corpse, on T:13568 06:33 [US] spazm (Tou Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased bag of holding", on T:35542 06:33 I used to get a boh from swap chest, but there're few donating boh into swap chest. 06:34 Or maybe they're too popular that cannot stay there long. 06:34 Who is Immanity the Mage? (My opponent) 06:35 That's an ascended character lmao 06:35 Did you step in the Arena? 06:35 Or, if you're just in the lobby it uses player names for the statues iirc 06:36 dunno if that's restricted to people who've ascended or not, never thought to ask 06:39 -!- a1 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:39 -!- karafruit has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 06:44 [US] terrapin (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:16792 06:44 -!- klepto has quit [Quit: Client closed] 06:44 -!- crunchbubba has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 06:45 [US] spazm (Tou Hum Mal Neu) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:36153 06:45 [US] spazm (Tou Hum Mal Neu) wished for "magic marker", on T:36154 06:46 Umbire: I didn't step in, just took a peak. 06:46 Umbire: You're allowed to peek. Just don't actually step *past* the point of no return. 06:46 I know 06:47 [EU] [D]: joes (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 3870 points, 4447 turns, killed by a gnome 06:51 -!- raisse has joined #tnnt 06:58 arahael have you poly'd unicorn horns? 06:58 Nesta: Not in this game, why? 06:59 might be a myth but I think they have a decent chance of turning into containers 06:59 Nesta: Oh, that's an idea. I don't have a means of polymorph either, though. 06:59 -!- kewldewd has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:59 Nesta: I could poly various boxes if I did. 07:00 i.e. chance at a boh. it's why i try to never dip a potion until I have two unihorns 07:00 [US] [D]: arthur (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 822 points, 4269 turns, killed by a rabid rat 07:00 Nesta: I just want a bag. Any freaking bag! 07:00 Nesta: I haven't even found a bag of tricks yet! 07:01 whenever i get a game with no bag, I picture someone else playing who's finding boh's all over the place and I imagine their big kaboom 07:01 You could polymorph those candles in minetown. 07:02 And if you are glad to collect those tools lays in mines or collect mirrors, there're plenty polyfodders. 07:02 that's a 3.6 thing I appreciate, saving a wish for candles used to be de rigeur 07:08 [US] gruefood (Bar Hum Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:41723 07:11 [EU] [D]: joes (Bar Hum Fem Neu), 614 points, 985 turns, killed by a bolt of fire 07:22 [US] [D]: BigLaundryMan (Cav Hum Mal Law), 446 points, 1622 turns, killed by a homunculus 07:23 -!- spontiff has joined #tnnt 07:24 [EU] elenmirie (Arc Gno Fem Neu) became Camaxtli's Envoy of Balance, on T:31375 07:27 [EU] [D]: joes (Bar Hum Fem Neu), 562 points, 1124 turns, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted giant ant, while frozen by a monster's gaze 07:28 *sigh*. No polymorph. No bag. No key. 07:36 -!- rossyrg_ has joined #tnnt 07:36 [US] Ardub (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:18543 07:37 $whereis arahael 07:37 Nesta: [AU] Arahael : (Mon Hum Fem Neu) T:17288 The Dungeons of Doom level: 4 07:37 Nesta: The only place I haven't explored, is the quest. 07:37 (Haven't done medusa eitehr) 07:37 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Killed (lead.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 07:37 [US] [D]: arthur (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 842 points, 1822 turns, killed by a lizard 07:37 -!- Noisytoot has joined #tnnt 07:39 what potions are smoky? 07:40 Acid. 07:40 Sadly, that wasn't a djinn. 07:40 Good idea though. 07:42 [AU] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed fixed fireproof holy Bag Of Holding named The Blessed Sack Containing All Of My Dreams", on T:17756 07:42 [US] Nesta (Bar Orc Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:3558 07:43 Nesta: Thanks for the suggestion. :) 07:44 -!- rld has quit [*.net *.split] 07:44 -!- rossyrg has quit [*.net *.split] 07:45 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 07:45 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 07:45 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 07:45 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 07:46 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:46 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 07:46 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 07:46 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 07:46 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 07:47 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:47 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 07:47 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 07:47 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 07:47 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 07:48 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:48 [US] gruefood (Bar Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:43439 07:53 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 07:53 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 07:53 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 07:53 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 07:53 [US] [D]: arthur (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 244 points, 1394 turns, killed by a fox 07:53 [US] BigLaundryMan (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed joes' ghost, the former Pillager, on T:1648 07:53 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:59 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 07:59 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 07:59 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 07:59 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 07:59 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:00 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:00 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 08:00 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:00 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 08:01 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:01 [US] gruefood (Bar Hum Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:43972 08:03 In hindsight, the name I gave my BoH is tediously long. 08:04 The Blessed Sack Containi 08:07 whee I found the zaniest way to get rid of my cursed weapon 08:07 it was a silver spear, and I got myself infected with lycanthropy :-) 08:10 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 08:11 -!- raisse has joined #tnnt 08:11 raisse turned into a rat and can't manage their connection 08:11 oh wb 08:11 it's a silver connection! 08:11 heehoo 08:11 (but a giant bat killed me) 08:13 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:13 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 08:13 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:13 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 08:13 THUD! Poes drops an orange gem. Neutronium, I assume. 08:14 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:14 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:14 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 08:14 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:14 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 08:14 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:15 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:15 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 08:15 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:15 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 08:15 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:16 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:16 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 08:16 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:16 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 08:17 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:17 -!- Arseniy has joined #tnnt 08:17 [US] Ardub (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:22199 08:18 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:18 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 08:18 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:18 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 08:18 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:18 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:18 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 08:18 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:18 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 08:19 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:20 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:20 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 08:20 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:20 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 08:20 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:21 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:21 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 08:21 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:21 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 08:21 Alright that's worrying 08:21 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:21 Hmm? 08:21 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:21 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 08:21 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:21 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 08:22 @luigi___ @01-MTF bridge connection's bouncing, look into it when you can 08:22 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:22 I thought it was just netsplits! 08:24 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:24 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 08:24 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:24 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 08:25 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:26 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:26 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 08:26 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:26 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 08:26 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:29 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:29 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 08:29 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:29 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 08:30 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:30 [US] [D]: tizreader (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 41 points, 642 turns, killed by a goblin 08:34 [US] [D]: tizreader (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 90 points, 472 turns, killed by a kobold zombie 08:35 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:35 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 08:35 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:35 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 08:35 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:35 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:35 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 08:35 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:35 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 08:36 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:36 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:36 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 08:36 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:36 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 08:37 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:37 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:37 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 08:37 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:37 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 08:38 Hey, so what Xp level and AC should I have before I venture down to the castle? I have MR and reflection already, Xp 12, AC -15 08:38 -!- martinp_ is now known as martinp 08:38 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:39 Sounds like you're in position as it is. What's the role? 08:39 martinp: I'm considering castle, but my AC is -2. 08:43 Valk 08:43 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:43 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 08:43 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:43 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 08:43 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:48 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:48 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 08:48 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:48 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 08:48 martinp, then yeah, go for it. What's the weapons? 08:48 also alignment 08:48 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:49 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:49 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 08:49 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:49 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 08:49 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:49 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:49 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 08:49 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:49 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 08:50 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:52 It depends on whether you have to deal with a Titan 08:53 [US] [D]: tizreader (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 284 points, 1350 turns, killed by a sewer rat 08:53 unless you're an arc or something by the time you can get a path to it you can probably handle it. 08:53 Nesta: Indeed. 08:54 you'd like to wait until you have mr + reflection but the reason you want to storm the castle is to get one or the other or both 08:54 and once a character is hardened off, the castle doesn't get that much easier if you're lacking those 08:55 so you might as well storm UNLESS there's a Titan 08:55 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:55 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 08:55 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:55 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 08:55 and you don't want to go down there without a plan for running away if there is, because there often is 08:55 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:55 What does "storm" mean? 08:55 [US] [D]: tizreader (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 19 points, 151 turns, killed by a jackal 08:55 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:55 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 08:55 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:55 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 08:55 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:55 Umbire: lawful with Excalibur 08:55 do it at xp level 12 or 10 or whatever 08:56 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:56 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 08:56 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:56 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 08:56 @luigi___ @voxofchocolates Keeps disconnecting for anywhere from 15 seconds to about... 12 minutes at longest before reconnecting 08:56 I've got a ring of conflict too 08:56 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:56 i mean rage 08:56 No instrument to play the passtune 08:56 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:56 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 08:56 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:56 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 08:57 wand of opening? striking + earth/cold/etc.? 08:57 i can't get this orc lower than dl5 currently so good luck w/the castle! 08:57 bc I think barring shenanigans (esp. purple L) this should be fairly smooth 08:57 Not sure if I kept any wands of striking, lol 08:57 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:57 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:57 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 08:57 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:57 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 08:58 Have not seen one of opening yet 08:58 I do have a few charges left on a wand of polymorph 08:58 So I could potentially zap some wands...? 08:58 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:59 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:59 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 08:59 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:59 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 08:59 anything that summons and once you step off the upstairs you're a sitting duck. A lot of times it's quiet, a few simple monsters and nothing much until you hit the xorn, or let a ; grab you 08:59 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:59 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:59 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 08:59 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:59 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 08:59 other times there's that titan summoning stuff like jabberwocks or whatever. At least L's respect E, more or less. 09:00 Hmm, thanks folks 09:00 I don't feel quite ready yet 09:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:00 only 12 days of TNNT left lol 09:00 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 09:00 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 09:00 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 09:00 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 09:00 I'll keep chasing my noob dreams 09:00 straight castle dive is a valid playing style but save that idea for when you're playing arcs and you kill 50 of em in an hour anyway 09:01 Yeah, I've invested quite a bit of time into this game, don't want to lose this Valk 09:01 -!- theRaisse has joined #tnnt 09:01 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:01 I'm off to bed, thank you! 09:01 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 09:01 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 09:01 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 09:01 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 09:02 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:02 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:02 -!- stenno has joined #tnnt 09:02 [US] [D]: tizreader (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 560 points, 939 turns, killed by a gnome 09:02 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 09:02 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 09:02 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 09:02 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 09:02 Lot of arcs go straight to minetown in like 100 turns then straight to the castle in like 50 more. They make it look easy. 09:03 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:03 If a titan spawns it's favorable (but NOT 100%) to be peaceful 09:03 [US] [D]: tizreader (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 57 points, 210 turns, killed by a fox 09:04 -!- anselmus has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:04 you could probably get a gnomish healer down there reliably with decent AC,s but prot racket isn't the munchkin it used to be 09:05 I think I need to do the castle without MR. :( 09:05 What time of the day does nightime fall? 09:05 $time 09:05 Nesta: 2023-11-18 09:05:59 UTC. 2023 Tournament closes in 12d 14:54:00 09:06 $pom 09:06 I'm in the server's timezone (AEDT, I believe). 09:06 Would be easier to dig for victory if an archaeologist would just start with a nice flute. 09:06 [AU] unit327 (Kni Hum Fem Law) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:14002 09:07 I understand that purple Ls are being banned from the Castle now. 09:10 -!- anselmus has joined #tnnt 09:11 Looks like it's still "day". 09:11 So I can safely melee the gremlin. 09:12 [US] [D]: tizreader (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 348 points, 1311 turns, killed by a giant bat 09:14 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 09:14 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 09:14 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 09:14 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 09:15 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:15 OOoh. Fort ludios. Wonder if that's safer than medusa/castle. 09:19 -!- Grasshopper has joined #tnnt 09:19 I mean if you have reflection then maybe 09:20 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 09:20 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 09:20 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 09:20 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 09:20 I do. 09:20 -!- HalNovek has joined #tnnt 09:20 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:21 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 09:21 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 09:21 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 09:21 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 09:21 Hmm. Especially if a giant helpfully blocks hte exit. 09:21 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:22 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 09:22 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 09:22 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 09:22 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 09:23 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:25 [US] Spider74656 (Pri Hum Fem Law) destroyed joes' ghost, the former Bandit, on T:5632 09:29 -!- anselmus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:34 -!- Nesta has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:38 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 09:38 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 09:38 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 09:38 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 09:38 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:39 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 09:39 fire E only burn up stuff with their attacks/passives 09:39 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 09:39 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 09:39 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 09:39 they can pick stuff up as normal 09:40 [AU] Cloudmillion (Bar Orc Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:7021 09:40 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:43 [AU] [D]: Cloudmillion (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 13794 points, 7022 turns, killed by a water troll 09:44 [AU] unit327 (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:14550 09:46 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 09:46 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 09:46 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 09:46 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 09:46 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:46 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 09:46 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 09:46 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 09:46 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 09:47 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:47 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 09:47 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 09:47 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 09:47 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 09:47 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:48 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 09:48 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 09:48 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 09:48 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 09:48 -!- spontiff has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:48 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:48 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 09:48 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 09:48 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 09:48 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 09:49 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:53 [US] [D]: tizreader (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 860 points, 3338 turns, killed by a giant bat 09:54 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 09:54 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 09:54 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 09:54 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 09:54 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:55 [AU] [D]: Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 191414 points, 22620 turns, killed by a spotted jelly 09:55 Hmm, lesson learned. 09:55 Didn't realise that spotted jellys would kill you in the hit that kills them. 09:59 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 09:59 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 09:59 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 09:59 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 10:00 [AU] [D]: Cloudmillion (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 1933 points, 2040 turns, killed by a plains centaur 10:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:00 Yes they cannot move or attack you, but they have massive damage passive attack. 10:01 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 10:01 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 10:01 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 10:01 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 10:01 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:02 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 10:02 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 10:02 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 10:02 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 10:02 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:03 -!- Waffa1 has joined #tnnt 10:04 -!- Waffa has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:04 -!- Waffa1 is now known as Waffa 10:15 -!- Waffa1 has joined #tnnt 10:15 -!- Waffa has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:15 -!- Waffa1 is now known as Waffa 10:17 [US] oh6 (Ran Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:50427 10:21 again man 10:21 bohsplosion 10:21 what is wrong with 10:21 me 10:21 again i lost all my stuff 10:21 I feel you, stenno. Happened to mne a few times as well. 10:21 it doesn't happen to me normally but it already happened twice this tournament 10:21 maybe i am just getting bad 10:22 first of all i should change the order in which objects appear and make it that wands appear first 10:22 so i don't blow up the rest of my inventory 10:23 Surprisingly, stenno, my second or third most successful game I ever played featured a BoHsplosion in Mine's End, but I recovered surprisingly well, and went on to play happily. That is when I learned to carry on instead of quitting. The game bears so many surprises. 10:23 stenno, it is Wand of Cancellation, and bag of tricks, right? 10:24 yes 10:24 or another bag of holding 10:24 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 10:25 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 10:25 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 10:25 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 10:25 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 10:26 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:26 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 10:26 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 10:26 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 10:26 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 10:26 [AU] [D]: Cloudmillion (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 3351 points, 3768 turns, killed by a dwarf 10:26 bot didn't announce it at least 10:26 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:27 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 10:27 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 10:27 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 10:27 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 10:27 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:27 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 10:27 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 10:27 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 10:27 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 10:28 Why would the bot Croesus not announce certain deaths, or summarize them later on a subsequent occasion of announcing a death for the same player? 10:28 just after doing soko again 10:28 [US] Shrigis (Hea Gno Mal Neu) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:27147 10:28 idk 10:28 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:29 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 10:29 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 10:29 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 10:29 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 10:30 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:30 * docpi just discovered the achievement "The Omelet of Yendor". 10:30 * docpi blinks 10:32 [US] [D]: hilarita (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 843 points, 1572 turns, killed by a giant ant 10:32 [AU] [D]: Cloudmillion (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 256 points, 517 turns, killed by a small mimic 10:33 I think Croesus has forgotten about europe 10:33 because I just died a horrible death on the level beneath soko, and it should be reporting that 10:34 yeah, I just bribed Baalzebub with 1 zorkmid, and it should have reported that 10:34 congratulations for the 1 zorkmid bribe! 10:34 hehe 10:35 he demanded one zorkmid in his most intimidating Demon Lord voice! 10:36 -!- Waffa1 has joined #tnnt 10:37 -!- Waffa has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:37 -!- Waffa1 is now known as Waffa 10:37 [AU] [D]: Cloudmillion (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 260 points, 798 turns, killed by a gnome 10:37 [AU] unit327 (Kni Hum Fem Law) removed Cloudmillion's uncursed ring of conflict from the swap chest, on T:17319 10:39 $who 10:39 Tangles: [US] oh6 Shrigis docpi wispofvapor Spider74656 | [AU] Arahael Tangles unit327 Cloudmillion 10:39 Yeah the eu bot is down. I will have a look. 10:40 * docpi yos 10:40 Yo. 10:41 $who 10:41 Tangles: [US] oh6 Shrigis docpi wispofvapor Spider74656 | [EU] HalNovek Raisse stenno DoktorL DeVoid Dictyostelium elenmirie | [AU] Arahael Tangles unit327 Cloudmillion 10:42 looks better :) 10:42 elenmirie, I remember seeing a few 1 zorkmid bribes reported during the course of this year's tournament. 10:42 all better now! 10:42 thanks Tangles! 10:42 docpi: yes, it's an achievement :) 10:42 (not that I'm so fond of having my stupid deaths annouced...) 10:42 [US] wispofvapor (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) removed nabru's uncursed spellbook of finger of death from the swap chest, on T:24741 10:42 [EU] DoktorL (Cav Dwa Mal Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon him by Anu, on T:27057 10:44 [EU] HalNovek (Hea Gno Fem Neu) polymorphed her first item, on T:23532 10:44 [AU] [D]: Cloudmillion (Kni Hum Mal Law), 258 points, 778 turns, killed by a fox 10:45 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 10:45 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 10:45 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 10:45 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 10:45 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:45 -!- 029AAAGU6 has joined #tnnt 10:45 -!- 029AAAGU6 has quit [Changing host] 10:45 -!- 029AAAGU6 has joined #tnnt 10:45 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v 029AAAGU6] by ChanServ 10:46 -!- 029AAAGU6 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:46 [EU] DoktorL (Cav Dwa Mal Law) received Excalibur, on T:27537 10:46 -!- 029AAAGVM has joined #tnnt 10:46 -!- 029AAAGVM has quit [Changing host] 10:46 -!- 029AAAGVM has joined #tnnt 10:46 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v 029AAAGVM] by ChanServ 10:47 -!- Waffa1 has joined #tnnt 10:48 [EU] DoktorL (Cav Dwa Mal Law) wished for "2 holy charging", on T:27567 10:48 [EU] DoktorL (Cav Dwa Mal Law) wished for "marker", on T:27569 10:49 -!- Waffa has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:49 [EU] DoktorL (Cav Dwa Mal Law) wished for "marker", on T:27573 10:49 [EU] Raisse (Hea Gno Fem Neu) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3297 10:50 -!- 029AAAGVM has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:50 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 10:50 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 10:50 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 10:50 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 10:50 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:50 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 10:50 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 10:50 -!- Waffa has joined #tnnt 10:51 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:51 [EU] elenmirie (Arc Gno Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:38063 10:51 [EU] elenmirie (Arc Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:38065 10:51 [AU] [D]: Cloudmillion (Arc Gno Mal Neu), 299 points, 612 turns, killed by a gas spore's explosion 10:52 -!- Waffa1 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:54 [US] Shrigis (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed the Cyclops, on T:28548 10:54 [US] Shrigis (Hea Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:28550 10:55 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 952 points, 3647 turns, killed by a giant beetle 10:59 [US] [D]: docpi (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 321 points, 1299 turns, killed by a sewer rat 10:59 [EU] DoktorL (Cav Dwa Mal Law) killed the Chromatic Dragon, on T:28157 10:59 [EU] DoktorL (Cav Dwa Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:28166 10:59 [US] malor (Cav Gno Mal Neu) became Ishtar's Envoy of Balance, on T:32214 11:00 Hourly Stats at 2023-11-18 11:00 UTC: Games: 14, Asc: 0, Scum: 0. 0d 05:16 gametime. (36%Hum), 12d 12:59 remaining. 11:00 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 11:00 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 11:00 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 11:00 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 11:01 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:01 -!- 029AAAG38 has joined #tnnt 11:01 -!- 029AAAG38 has quit [Changing host] 11:01 -!- 029AAAG38 has joined #tnnt 11:01 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v 029AAAG38] by ChanServ 11:02 [AU] Cloudmillion (Ran Orc Fem Cha) destroyed Cloudmillion's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:1793 11:05 -!- 029AAAG38 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:06 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 11:06 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 11:06 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 11:06 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 11:06 [EU] [D]: stenno (Ran Gno Mal Neu), 2354 points, 2726 turns, killed by a white unicorn, while praying 11:06 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:07 [US] malor (Cav Gno Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:32574 11:08 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 11:08 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 11:08 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 11:08 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 11:08 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:09 [EU] elenmirie (Arc Gno Fem Neu) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:39031 11:09 [AU] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) consumed animal products (cream pie) for the first time, on T:3320 11:09 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 11:09 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 11:10 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:10 [EU] elenmirie (Arc Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:39041 11:10 [US] docpi (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) has died so many times, feeling his frustration steadily rise so much, that he is rapidly approaching a debilitating existential crisis, on T:494 11:11 aw 11:11 [EU] DoktorL (Cav Dwa Mal Law) genocided class L, on T:29203 11:12 [AU] Cloudmillion (Ran Orc Fem Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a Woodland-elf corpse, on T:3368 11:12 -!- jientho has joined #tnnt 11:13 -!- Waffa has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:13 Seriously now, how can a game warranting your most likely demise for petty reasons still provide so much entertainment? 11:13 [EU] elenmirie (Arc Gno Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:39074 11:13 -!- Waffa has joined #tnnt 11:14 [EU] DoktorL (Cav Dwa Mal Law) polymorphed his first object, on T:29286 11:15 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 11:15 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 11:15 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 11:15 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 11:15 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:15 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 11:15 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 11:15 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 11:15 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 11:15 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:16 [EU] khamul (Sam Hum Mal Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:64397 11:16 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 11:16 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 11:16 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 11:16 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 11:16 Damn, a barrow wright with a wand of striking... In soko. 11:16 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:16 I needed that boulder. 11:16 [EU] DoktorL (Cav Dwa Mal Law) genocided class R, on T:29371 11:16 [AU] [D]: Cloudmillion (Ran Orc Fem Cha), 4453 points, 3518 turns, killed by a fire ant 11:17 arahael, do you as the player still suffer a penalty when other monsters violate a special rule of sokoban? 11:17 [EU] [D]: tromix (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 2342 points, 3732 turns, killed by a soldier ant 11:17 [EU] DoktorL (Cav Dwa Mal Law) entered Gehennom, on T:29404 11:17 docpi: I don't think so. 11:17 [US] malor (Cav Gno Mal Neu) wished for "blessed rustproof +2 gauntlets of power", on T:32650 11:19 [US] malor (Cav Gno Mal Neu) wished for "blessed +2 shield of reflection", on T:32653 11:21 [US] malor (Cav Gno Mal Neu) genocided disenchanter, on T:32682 11:22 [US] malor (Cav Gno Mal Neu) genocided master mind flayer, on T:32683 11:25 [US] hilarita (Bar Orc Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3147 11:25 [US] [D]: hilarita (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 1932 points, 3152 turns, killed by a soldier ant 11:25 [US] Shrigis (Hea Gno Mal Neu) became Hermes' Envoy of Balance, on T:30393 11:26 [EU] elenmirie (Arc Gno Fem Neu) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:39425 11:26 [EU] elenmirie (Arc Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:39427 11:26 [AU] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Raisse's ghost, the former Embalmer, on T:4365 11:27 -!- Waffa has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:27 -!- Waffa1 has joined #tnnt 11:28 [US] [D]: jientho (Arc Gno Mal Neu), 250 points, 543 turns, killed by a bolt of cold 11:30 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 11:30 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 11:30 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 11:30 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 11:30 [US] wispofvapor (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:25713 11:30 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:31 -!- Waffa has joined #tnnt 11:31 -!- Waffa1 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:31 [EU] [D]: tromix (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 1399 points, 2751 turns, killed by a dwarf zombie 11:32 [AU] [D]: Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 7828 points, 4606 turns, killed by a soldier ant 11:34 [US] Shrigis (Hea Gno Mal Neu) has entered the Arena, on T:31664 11:35 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 11:35 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 11:35 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 11:35 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 11:35 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:35 [US] Shrigis (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed Azoxey the Warrior in a deathmatch, on T:31699 11:36 [US] malor (Cav Gno Mal Neu) killed the Chromatic Dragon, on T:33520 11:36 [US] malor (Cav Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:33521 11:37 -!- mobileuser has joined #tnnt 11:40 -!- Waffa1 has joined #tnnt 11:40 [AU] [D]: Cloudmillion (Pri Hum Mal Law), 691 points, 676 turns, killed by a kitten 11:40 [AU] unit327 (Kni Hum Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:17530 11:40 [EU] [D]: stenno (Ran Gno Mal Neu), 4269 points, 4535 turns, killed by a crocodile 11:40 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 11:40 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 11:40 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 11:40 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 11:40 -!- Waffa has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:40 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:41 -!- Waffa1 is now known as Waffa 11:41 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 11:41 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 11:41 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 11:41 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 11:41 [US] malor (Cav Gno Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased bag of holding", on T:34152 11:41 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:43 [US] Shrigis (Hea Gno Mal Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 26 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:32131 11:45 -!- Waffa has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:45 -!- Waffa has joined #tnnt 11:46 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 11:46 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 11:46 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 11:46 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 11:46 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:47 -!- rld 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docpi (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping 11 poisoned crude arrows on an altar, on T:3354 11:52 [US] malor (Cav Gno Mal Neu) killed the invisible Juiblex, on T:35522 11:53 AND THEY WERE POISONED, TOO! 11:53 * docpi blinksblinkblinks 11:53 Sorry, I was absent for a moment there. Did I miss something? 11:53 -!- Waffa1 has joined #tnnt 11:53 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 11:53 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 11:54 -!- Waffa has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:54 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:54 -!- Waffa1 is now known as Waffa 11:54 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 11:54 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 11:54 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 11:54 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 11:54 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:54 [EU] [D]: NetSysFire (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 400 points, 389 turns, killed by a gnome 11:55 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 11:55 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 11:55 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 11:55 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 11:55 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:55 why do rangers have such bad charisma 11:55 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 11:55 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 11:55 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 11:55 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 11:55 -!- stagnate has joined #tnnt 11:55 aren't they like aragorn or faramir 11:55 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:56 poor rld struggling 11:56 nah they are just more ugly legolases 11:56 i already pinged mtf 11:56 imagine legolas but a gnome 11:56 [US] malor (Cav Gno Mal Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 130 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:35746 11:58 [AU] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:2267 11:58 Well, that's... Lucky. This is a minesflayer mines end, but a gnome brought me the luckstone. 11:58 -!- Waffa has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:58 -!- Waffa1 has joined #tnnt 12:00 Current Day as of 2023-11-18 12:00 UTC: Games: 144, Asc: 4, Scum: 33. 643889 turns, 12665289 points. 7d 04:29 gametime. (21%Bar), (45%Hum), (54%Neu), (50%Mal), 12d 11:59 remaining. 12:00 YANI: decapitating Medusa should drop her head, that can be wielded (while blind or stoning-resistant!) to use its stoning gaze for several turns after casting/zapping turn undead. 12:01 -!- Waffa1 is now known as Waffa 12:01 [EU] [D]: NetSysFire (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 546 points, 1804 turns, killed by a sewer rat 12:01 god dammit 12:02 F 12:02 [US] Shrigis (Hea Gno Mal Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 36 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:33940 12:03 [EU] [D]: NetSysFire (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 350 points, 361 turns, killed by a dagger 12:03 HalNovek: i think some variant already does that 12:06 [US] Shrigis (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed Orcus, on T:34303 12:07 Yay arahael! 12:08 yay! 12:08 docpi yay wuhuuu! 12:08 HalNovek, why the additional condition involving "turn undead"? 12:08 [US] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Asmodeus, on T:38298 12:08 [AU] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Arahael's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:3168 12:09 [EU] NetSysFire (Pri Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Cloudmillion's ghost, the former Digger, on T:2885 12:09 im bad at nethack 12:09 @docpi: to make it less powerful mainly, and also because her corpse does not stone anyone (unless eaten) 12:09 -!- 029AAAH40 has joined #tnnt 12:09 -!- 029AAAH40 has quit [Changing host] 12:09 -!- 029AAAH40 has joined #tnnt 12:09 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v 029AAAH40] by ChanServ 12:10 -!- Waffa1 has joined #tnnt 12:10 -!- 029AAAH40 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:10 -!- 029AAAH48 has joined #tnnt 12:10 -!- 029AAAH48 has quit [Changing host] 12:10 -!- 029AAAH48 has joined #tnnt 12:10 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v 029AAAH48] by ChanServ 12:10 -!- Waffa has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:10 -!- Waffa1 is now known as Waffa 12:11 Most of us are, aoei, we keep dying,. 12:12 [EU] NetSysFire (Pri Hum Fem Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3808 12:12 aoei: You're better at it than I am. 12:12 no I'm not 12:12 [EU] [D]: NetSysFire (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 1184 points, 3991 turns, killed by a giant ant 12:12 y'all are at least playing 12:13 i cant even bring myself to do that! 12:13 [EU] elenmirie (Arc Gno Fem Neu) killed Asmodeus, on T:42255 12:13 [US] Shrigis (Hea Gno Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:34848 12:13 [US] Shrigis (Hea Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:34849 12:13 aoei: I nearly didn't this month! 12:14 -!- 029AAAH48 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:14 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 12:14 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 12:14 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 12:14 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 12:14 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:15 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 12:15 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 12:15 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 12:15 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 12:15 Okay, HalNovek, but why "turn undead" specifically? If there is some obscure cultural reference there, I am ignorant to it. 12:15 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:15 to revive it? 12:15 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 12:15 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 12:15 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 12:15 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 12:15 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:15 Ah, to revive the dead bed head? 12:15 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 12:15 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 12:15 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 12:15 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 12:16 yup 12:16 even i got it 12:16 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:16 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 12:16 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 12:16 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 12:16 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 12:16 [EU] elenmirie (Arc Gno Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:42472 12:16 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:17 also Perseus should wear the cap of invisibility (new helm!): that would be both mythologically correct and explain why the shield of reflection didn't kill Medusa! 12:17 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 12:17 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 12:17 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 12:17 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 12:17 -!- fakepass has joined #tnnt 12:17 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:17 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 12:17 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 12:17 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 12:17 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 12:17 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:19 Not necessary to fix that, HalNovek, because there is nothing to fix in the first place: This is nethack, and our Perseus in it was just as careless as many other adventurers in the Dungeon, and did not actually wear his shield of reflection, but rather kept it in inventory "just in case". 12:19 That makes him a worthy YASDer. 12:19 [EU] NetSysFire (Pri Hum Fem Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3589 12:20 [EU] elenmirie (Arc Gno Fem Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:42653 12:20 [EU] NetSysFire (Pri Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:3641 12:22 [US] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:38852 12:23 [US] [D]: Spider74656 (Pri Hum Fem Law), 8169 points, 8822 turns, killed by an Uruk-hai 12:23 -!- spontiff has joined #tnnt 12:27 [EU] mobileuser (Val Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:41767 12:27 [US] malor (Cav Gno Mal Neu) killed Yeenoghu, on T:36146 12:28 [EU] [D]: Dictyostelium (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 1667 points, 2392 turns, killed by a chameleon imitating a zruty, while praying (and one other game not reported) 12:28 [US] malor (Cav Gno Mal Neu) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:36211 12:29 [EU] mobileuser (Val Hum Fem Neu) genocided class h, on T:41771 12:33 [EU] Dictyostelium (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed NetSysFire's ghost, the former Aspirant, on T:342 12:33 [AU] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a werejackal, on T:4074 12:35 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:35 [US] oh6 (Ran Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a xorn, on T:52501 12:36 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 12:36 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 12:36 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 12:36 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 12:36 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:37 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 12:37 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 12:37 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 12:37 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 12:37 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:37 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 12:37 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 12:37 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 12:37 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 12:37 -!- rld has quit [Client Quit] 12:38 [EU] mobileuser (Val Hum Fem Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 55 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:42075 12:38 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 12:38 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 12:38 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 12:38 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 12:39 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 328 points, 1184 turns, killed by a small mimic 12:40 <(𝐿𝒰-𝟣𝒢𝟣) (what is sever?) [@luigi___]> Ty for rld report, it seems Libera was kicking it for some reason 12:41 [US] [D]: WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 2751 points, 1380 turns, killed by a giant bat (and 9 other games not reported) 12:42 What 150 or 200 cost potion would be sold in a food store?  I thought only fruit juice or booze would be sold there. 12:42 Blecch! Rotten food! You feel healthy. 12:42 [US] wispofvapor (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:26503 12:42 no it says Remote host closed the connection 12:43 ahh I see.  health food store isn't just a label, they sell different things :) 12:43 [EU] Dictyostelium (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur, on T:1437 12:45 [US] wispofvapor (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:26533 12:46 [US] oh6 (Ran Hum Fem Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 30 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:52981 12:46 [US] efot (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:25280 12:46 aw man blessed magic lamp got me a disturbed djinni 12:46 [US] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:39858 12:46 [EU] [D]: Dictyostelium (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1559 points, 1731 turns, poisoned by a rotted leprechaun corpse, while frozen by a potion 12:47 -!- efot has joined #tnnt 12:47 [US] efot (Ran Elf Fem Cha) bribed Baalzebub with 313 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:25341 12:47 [EU] DoktorL (Cav Dwa Mal Law) genocided energy vortex, on T:30192 12:52 [AU] [D]: Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 12774 points, 5568 turns, killed by a giant zombie 12:52 -!- kewldewd has joined #tnnt 12:53 [EU] stenno (Ran Gno Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed greased fixed +3 silver dragon scale mail", on T:3174 12:54 [EU] DoktorL (Cav Dwa Mal Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:30836 12:55 [US] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) found kitten, on T:1564 12:56 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 12:57 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:58 -!- Umbire has joined #tnnt 12:58 [EU] Raisse (Hea Gno Fem Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:649 12:58 [US] [D]: docpi (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 2718 points, 5029 turns, killed by a poisonous corpse 12:59 Yes, YASD. 12:59 [EU] DoktorL (Cav Dwa Mal Law) wished for "holy free action", on T:31176 13:00 Hourly Stats at 2023-11-18 13:00 UTC: Games: 11, Asc: 0, Scum: 1. 0d 14:21 gametime. (40%Pri), 12d 10:59 remaining. 13:00 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 344 points, 960 turns, killed by an orc zombie 13:01 [EU] [D]: Dictyostelium (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 778 points, 1052 turns, killed by a dingo, while praying 13:01 [US] Shrigis (Hea Gno Mal Neu) wished for "cursed magic marker", on T:38895 13:01 [EU] DoktorL (Cav Dwa Mal Law) killed Orcus, on T:31273 13:01 [US] [D]: WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1292 points, 2193 turns, killed by a panther (and one other game not reported) 13:03 [EU] mobileuser (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:42386 13:03 [US] oh6 (Ran Hum Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:54356 13:03 Triangle of beartrap, beartrap, squeeky board.  You'd think I would notice the other beartrap and the corpse it's attached to while I'm trying to free myself from the first one ;) 13:05 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 214 points, 874 turns, killed by a sewer rat, while reading a book 13:07 [EU] DoktorL (Cav Dwa Mal Law) killed Asmodeus, on T:31884 13:07 [US] efot (Ran Elf Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:26596 13:07 [US] efot (Ran Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:26598 13:08 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 13:08 [US] kewldewd (Bar Orc Mal Cha) found kitten, on T:2865 13:08 [EU] [D]: spontiff (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 450 points, 17641 turns, killed by a land mine 13:09 oh good, my pet purple worm polymorphed itself into an ochre jelly...that's a much better pet 13:09 [EU] [D]: Dictyostelium (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 556 points, 913 turns, killed by an arrow 13:11 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 79 points, 203 turns, killed by a fox 13:12 Way more reliable as a pet, efot. Much easier to keep track of it. 13:12 [US] Shrigis (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:39312 13:12 [US] Shrigis (Hea Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:39321 13:13 efot, displace out, and into the trap with magic resistance? 13:13 Just bought a potion of booze and scimitar.  Going to be an interesting evening. 13:13 [EU] mobileuser (Val Hum Fem Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 19 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:42659 13:13 -!- mobileuser has joined #tnnt 13:13 stagnate, scimitars come free with hordes of orcs, and hais. 13:13 [US] Shrigis (Hea Gno Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:39329 13:13 Oh, it definitely wasn't intentional :) 13:13 ah, I see. 13:15 [EU] DoktorL (Cav Dwa Mal Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:32864 13:15 [EU] DoktorL (Cav Dwa Mal Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:32866 13:15 potion of booze and scimitar sound like a pirate's personal effects 13:15 [US] Shrigis (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:39451 13:16 [US] Shrigis (Hea Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:39453 13:17 [EU] DoktorL (Cav Dwa Mal Law) wished for "marker", on T:33140 13:18 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 391 points, 1897 turns, killed by a homunculus, while sleeping 13:19 [US] efot (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed Orcus, on T:27169 13:20 [US] Shrigis (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed Yeenoghu, on T:39795 13:21 <(𝐿𝒰-𝟣𝒢𝟣) (what is sever?) [@luigi___]> Remote host closed connection? Interesting ty 13:25 [EU] mobileuser (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Orcus, on T:43134 13:26 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 13:29 [US] SkippitoFriskito (Bar Orc Mal Cha) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:31813 13:31 [US] Shrigis (Hea Gno Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:41810 13:31 [EU] pinball (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) rejected atheism by consulting with the priest of Thoth, on T:3834 13:32 [EU] DoktorL (Cav Dwa Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:34521 13:32 [EU] DoktorL (Cav Dwa Mal Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:34523 13:32 [EU] DoktorL (Cav Dwa Mal Law) performed the invocation, on T:34539 13:34 [US] SkippitoFriskito (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:32243 13:35 [US] Shrigis (Hea Gno Mal Neu) genocided class ;, on T:41959 13:36 [US] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) found kitten, on T:2906 13:37 [EU] DoktorL (Cav Dwa Mal Law) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:34808 13:37 [EU] DoktorL (Cav Dwa Mal Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:34812 13:38 [US] Shrigis (Hea Gno Mal Neu) wished for "blessed partly eaten cockatrice corpse", on T:42091 13:38 Okay, how does DoktorL actually do it? 13:39 [US] Shrigis (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed the invisible Death, on T:42114 13:39 Survive early game, survive mid-game, get to castle, win. 13:40 [US] Shrigis (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed Famine, on T:42186 13:42 Here's some tips for surviving early game: use your pets. price-id your rings and be comfortable with un-id'd rins (tip from anselmus). watch your dlvl+xlvl, know when soldier ants are eligible to spawn, be careful when you reach this threshold (tip from arseniy, aka doktorl). curse-test a lot of armor, try on a lot of armor, every +1 or +2 helps 13:42 (tip from furey). 13:42 also the teammates are important 13:43 [EU] DoktorL (Cav Dwa Mal Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:35666 13:43 [US] Shrigis (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed Pestilence, on T:42266 13:44 swap chests are really useful too 13:45 I'm a big fan of the protection racket 13:45 the two most likely results are that you die early or you ascend 13:45 [US] Shrigis (Hea Gno Mal Neu) averted death (killed by Famine), on T:42291 13:46 docpi, know when to elbereth and run. run early if needed. know how nasty enemies are which also means you know when to run 13:47 [US] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a baby crocodile, on T:3801 13:47 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 362 points, 2062 turns, killed by a water moccasin 13:47 [US] [A]: Shrigis (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 2488872 points, 42317 turns, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/S/Shrigis/tnnt/dumplog/1700235611.tnnt.html 13:48 grats shrigis 13:48 that was super scuffed. all 3 riders ganged up on me at the same time 13:49 gg shrigis 13:49 -!- crunchbubba has joined #tnnt 13:49 kewldewd, have you managed to grab an ascension yet? 13:49 not meaning to put pressure 13:49 just curious 13:49 I have been kinda out of it during this tournament so other than my initial games I jqust havent felt like playing :( 13:50 [EU] Raisse (Hea Gno Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed +2 grey dragon scale mail", on T:9 13:50 [US] kewldewd (Bar Orc Mal Cha) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:5351 13:51 [US] wispofvapor (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:30015 13:52 [EU] DoktorL (Cav Dwa Mal Law) entered the Planes, on T:36774 13:52 [US] efot (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:28375 13:52 cbus: i tried marker elbereth for the first time the other day, and wow, 100% success rate and it doesn't get scuffed up, and only 4 ink charges. if i start with a marker again i'm gonna use it to survive longer in early game. 13:53 [US] efot (Ran Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:28381 13:53 [US] [D]: SkippitoFriskito (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 175056 points, 32969 turns, killed by a xorn 13:53 [US] efot (Ran Elf Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:28402 13:53 [US] oh6 (Ran Hum Fem Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 44 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:56073 13:54 I'm in a hardware store, and the shopkeeper won't move out of the way. I don't owe him anything. What gives 13:55 nvm 13:55 furey, or start scribbling with - earlier! 13:55 [EU] DoktorL (Cav Dwa Mal Law) genocided class ;, on T:36942 13:56 [US] wispofvapor (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed Yeenoghu, on T:30224 13:58 [US] kewldewd (Bar Orc Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a scroll labeled ABRA KA DABRA on an altar, on T:5522 13:58 [EU] pinball (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:4896 13:59 -!- spontiff has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:59 docpi, have you watched disperses series "nethack overexplained" or tonehacks tourist series btw? 13:59 both those could help optimizing and tightening up gameplay 13:59 and tonehacks reviews of tarirus world record win streak 14:00 Hourly Stats at 2023-11-18 14:00 UTC: Games: 17, Asc: 1, Scum: 6. 103088 turns, 2668394 points. (64%Hea), 12d 09:59 remaining. 14:00 [EU] DoktorL (Cav Dwa Mal Law) killed Death, on T:37029 14:00 [EU] DoktorL (Cav Dwa Mal Law) killed Pestilence, on T:37029 14:00 I will link the first video of the game review https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go0bcf1-caY but have to head out so wont be able to look up links soon 14:00 only minor chatting 14:01 [EU] [D]: Dictyostelium (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 547 points, 1786 turns, killed by a gnome lord 14:01 [US] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:5069 14:02 [US] GrmlyFndsh (Pri Hum Mal Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:78837 14:02 [US] GrmlyFndsh (Pri Hum Mal Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:78838 14:03 [US] efot (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:28572 14:03 [US] efot (Ran Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:28579 14:04 [EU] DoktorL (Cav Dwa Mal Law) killed the invisible Famine, on T:37117 14:04 -!- ais523 has joined #tnnt 14:07 [US] efot (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Dispater, on T:28687 14:07 [EU] [A]: DoktorL (Cav Dwa Mal Law), 1746924 points, 37186 turns, ascended 14:07 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/D/DoktorL/tnnt/dumplog/1700251111.tnnt.html 14:07 [EU] stenno (Ran Gno Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:5920 14:07 nicely done Arseniy 14:10 [US] jientho (Hea Hum Fem Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3164 14:10 thanks! 14:11 now just have to see which race I roll for healer 14:11 gnome if you're lucky 14:12 -!- Waffa1 has joined #tnnt 14:12 Another tip is prepare your pet so it can eat watchmen in minetown and you can get gloves off of one of them because just as Furey said, every +1 helps 14:13 [EU] stenno (Ran Gno Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a silver dragon, on T:6447 14:13 -!- spontiff has joined #tnnt 14:13 -!- Waffa has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:13 -!- Waffa1 is now known as Waffa 14:13 once you are past early game, AC 0 is no better than AC 10 so do whatever you can to get into the negatives 14:16 [EU] [D]: NetSysFire (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 42695 points, 41981 turns, killed by a soldier ant 14:16 god dammit 14:16 $lastgame NetSysFire 14:16 NetSysFire: [EU] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/N/NetSysFire/tnnt/dumplog/1700309610.tnnt.html 14:16 all on dlvl 1 14:16 [US] oh6 (Ran Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:57403 14:16 [US] GrmlyFndsh (Pri Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed spellbook of polymorph", on T:79328 14:16 [US] oh6 (Ran Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:57406 14:16 so no bones :( 14:18 the problem with "every +1 helps is" that it is a) true, but b) means that actually getting some of those +1s early on is going to be a problem beyond the short term because it could be a +2 a little later 14:18 [US] oh6 (Ran Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (master lich), on T:57436 14:18 which is why I make sure to get me that +9 from the priest 14:18 e.g. if you're a wizard and start with an uncursed ?oEA, do you wait until you can bless it before reading? 14:18 except when there's orc town...!@#$%^ orc town 14:18 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:19 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 14:19 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 14:19 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 14:19 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 14:19 efot: this is a balance problem in its own right – the +9 is hard to balance around 14:19 yep 14:19 and with a little good luck right off the bat it's more like a +12 or +13 14:19 however, I find that normally, unless you're doing the protection racket, the point at which you can afford to buy even one round of protection is somewhat beyond the difficulty spike 14:19 ais523: there's little point of improving AC 9 to 8 14:20 right 14:20 Arseniy: right 14:20 I am pretty bad at non-racket ascensions 14:20 [EU] [D]: Dictyostelium (Val Hum Fem Law), 792 points, 1953 turns, killed by a giant spider 14:20 but once you cross AC 0 by other means, it could be worth it 14:20 which is funny because I play extremely carefully for a couple thousand turns 14:20 I do understand why people go for the protection racket 14:20 so that I can hack-and-slash the rest of the game 14:21 it would be pretty easy to remove from the game, just have a minimum donation needed for protection 14:21 and then nobody would play healer again 14:22 healer with just one or two donations is still a success 14:22 sure, but it would suck for the difference between a +2 and a +4 for that first donation to be that much more significant 14:23 human healers exist after all, you're usually aiming at 1 donation with those 14:23 I'm not :) 14:23 -!- Waffa1 has joined #tnnt 14:23 my human healers just have to be a little better equipped for the mines 14:23 if you don't mind dying a couple of times before hitting it, sure, but if you want to win on demand... 14:24 but a wand of digging gets you through easily 14:24 -!- BestGorilla has joined #tnnt 14:24 -!- Waffa has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:24 -!- Waffa1 is now known as Waffa 14:24 just fixed my DSM again after walking into a random polytrap, immediately walk into another polytrap 14:24 at least i didn't waste another cloak 14:24 [US] [D]: bestgorilla (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 4160 points, 6647 turns, poisoned by an orcish arrow 14:25 [EU] mobileuser (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "magic marker", on T:44208 14:25 Honestly, this is just garbage 14:25 [EU] [D]: spontiff (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 435 points, 1911 turns, killed by a boulder 14:25 likewise 14:25 everything lost on a single arrow. 14:25 at least you didn't lose a streak of 5 on that crap 14:26 stenno and this is why gray is the best :p 14:26 It's really really hard to get a foothold, and it all can fall apart so easily... but just dying from one poison arrow 14:26 idk man 14:26 Sucks a HUGE cock 14:26 but yeah poison instadeath sucks balls 14:27 polytraps are the ONLY reason you need mr pre-castle 14:27 bah, another Pw 4 healer rolled up.  I'd almost take the overpowered anti-magic trap change in 3.7 to have a guaranteed 5 starting. 14:27 if I was going for streak I guess I'd only do valkyries 14:27 Its been about 2 weeks, just trying to get control of a single game. 14:27 polytraps are also the reason you have to sequence-break the mines 14:27 maybe one week... perhaps. 14:28 I think of all the healers and arcs I've played...only a couple managed to ascend with an orc minetown 14:28 -!- BestGorilla has quit [Client Quit] 14:28 [EU] [D]: Dictyostelium (Val Dwa Fem Law), 351 points, 950 turns, killed by a werejackal 14:28 polytraps got even nastier with the DSM revert nerf 14:29 [US] [D]: Spider74656 (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 1185 points, 2681 turns, crunched in the head by an iron ball, while dragging an iron ball 14:29 i guess it can happen only so many times because at one point the scales will be +4 14:29 -!- crunchbubba has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 14:29 you can cancel a +4 scales 14:30 thats silly though 14:30 -!- Waffa1 has joined #tnnt 14:30 I'm sure someone has done it 14:30 you don't usually have a wand of cancellation handy 14:30 sure, no doubt 14:30 its still silly 14:30 you don't have to use blessed scrolls for restoring them 14:30 -!- Waffa has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:31 very true...maybe best to keep at +3 14:31 doesn't uncursed give +1? 14:31 nope 14:31 lol 14:31 i rest my case then 14:33 -!- Waffa has joined #tnnt 14:34 -!- Waffa1 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:35 [US] [D]: eitlarry (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 358 points, 1949 turns, killed by a newt 14:36 [US] peterg (Arc Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 cloak of protection", on T:29346 14:36 [EU] [D]: spontiff (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 100 points, 1098 turns, killed by a small mimic (and one other game not reported) 14:37 doesn't +oDL work on scales? 14:37 (apart from possibly grey scales, which can't be polytrapped in the first place) 14:38 [US] Shrigis (Sam Hum Mal Law) destroyed bestgorilla's ghost, the former Rogue, on T:1200 14:38 [US] kewldewd (Bar Orc Mal Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:6628 14:42 [US] Shrigis (Sam Hum Mal Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:1460 14:43 [US] Spider74656 (Ran Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:37 14:43 It can. 14:44 Though maybe drain life would be more rare than cancellation. 14:45 [US] efot (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:30437 14:45 [US] peterg (Arc Gno Fem Neu) wished for "marker", on T:29433 14:46 [US] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) made his first artifact wish - "blessed rustproof +2 Mjollnir", on T:5088 14:47 [US] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) wished for "Blessed ring of polymorph control", on T:5091 14:47 [EU] [D]: NetSysFire (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 586 points, 1026 turns, killed by a gnome lord 14:47 [US] peterg (Arc Gno Fem Neu) wished for "marker", on T:29436 14:48 [US] efot (Ran Elf Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:31145 14:49 [EU] [D]: tromix (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 1202 points, 2178 turns, killed by an invisible dwarf king 14:49 -!- stagnate has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:50 [EU] [D]: Dictyostelium (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 917 points, 3037 turns, killed by a gnome lord 14:50 [US] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) wished for "Blessed amulet of unchanging", on T:5099 14:50 hmm second magic lamp 14:50 * stenno reads list of mrtifacts 14:51 pyec sounds good even though i have "oESP already 14:53 [US] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed Orb of Fate", on T:5240 14:53 [US] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fireproof +2 pair of speed boots", on T:5242 14:54 [US] Shrigis (Sam Hum Mal Law) destroyed eitlarry's ghost, the former Digger, on T:2602 14:56 [US] [D]: habib (Cav Hum Fem Law), 11650 points, 7205 turns, killed by a giant mimic 14:56 [US] allanb (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:39191 14:56 I like pyec 14:56 [US] Staengia (Arc Hum Mal Law) polymorphed his first object, on T:29212 14:57 especially as a lamp wish, because you essentially can keep the magic lamp by recharging it indefinitely 14:57 [US] [A]: efot (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 1829678 points, 31355 turns, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/e/efot/tnnt/dumplog/1700103470.tnnt.html 14:58 grats efot 14:59 thank you :) 14:59 did you get the boomerang achievement? 14:59 no I forgot 15:00 Hourly Stats at 2023-11-18 15:00 UTC: Games: 16, Asc: 2, Scum: 0. 1d 00:57 gametime. (19%Hea), 12d 08:59 remaining. 15:00 I'm just happy I managed riderless 15:00 ooh, that's nice 15:00 *whew* breaking my empty wand of lightning wrested it so I was caught in the ball of lightning, which made my wand of cancellation explode, but that didn't unenchant all my +2 and +3 armor so I'm still AC -15 15:01 I didn't know [a]pply had a chance of wresting 15:01 I think that was new in 3.6 15:01 ah 15:01 oh wow it does call zappable to check now 15:01 I'm pretty sure I've snapped empty digging wands while camped on my main altar on occasion.  That could've gone south... 15:01 confirmed this is real. I didn't believe it either 15:01 #tip-ping a fedora should cancel nearby succubi "m'lady" 15:03 [EU] mobileuser (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:45473 15:03 huh this is interesting 15:03 [EU] mobileuser (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:45475 15:05 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 15:06 [US] hothraxxa (Tou Hum Mal Neu) had Fire Brand bestowed upon him by The Lady, on T:71051 15:06 I've had a wrest from breaking empty create monster this tournament 15:08 [US] habib (Bar Orc Fem Cha) found kitten, on T:973 15:09 [US] allanb (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:39720 15:09 when did nethack add snapping wands? 15:09 [EU] [D]: NetSysFire (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 356 points, 418 turns, killed by a gnome lord 15:09 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 15:09 I am curious if there were any versions where a bug could lead to a double free when snapping a lightning wand 15:11 [EU] elenmirie (Arc Gno Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:43521 15:11 [US] [D]: rvcx (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 42 points, 297 turns, killed by a sewer rat (and 7 other games not reported) 15:12 -!- klepto has joined #tnnt 15:12 [US] stoicjin (Kni Hum Fem Law) received Excalibur, on T:4388 15:12 [US] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:6861 15:15 [US] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:7217 15:16 [US] Shrigis (Sam Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming an Elvenking, on T:4259 15:19 [EU] Raisse (Hea Gno Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:8101 15:19 -!- rebatela has joined #tnnt 15:20 hi 15:20 o/ 15:21 [US] peterg (Arc Gno Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:30100 15:21 [US] Shrigis (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:4611 15:21 Hi 2 \o 15:21 [US] habib (Bar Orc Fem Cha) destroyed Dictyostelium's ghost, the former Skirmisher, on T:1649 15:21 [US] crunchbubba (Ran Gno Mal Neu) wished for "blessed ring of conflict", on T:95603 15:22 Hey 15:22 You killed me again, @habib 15:22 aha, it looks like so! in nethack 3.2.0 the behavior is present, but without taking the wand being snapped out of your invent first. in 3.3.0 that code is added. guessing it was added because a double free was possible if you snapped a wand of lightning, got caught in the shock explosion, and it destroyed itself there from the shock dmg 15:22 [US] [D]: Kewl (Kni Hum Mal Law), 4151 points, 3386 turns, killed by a raven 15:23 [EU] NetSysFire (Pri Hum Fem Neu) averted death (killed by a pony), on T:4900 15:23 cornered by two floating eyes in a corridor with no choice 15:23 Averted death = had amulet of life saving? 15:23 -!- crunchbubba has joined #tnnt 15:24 hmm nope no shock damage from shock wands, nevermind 15:24 yes 15:24 thank you random goblin for dropping a blindfold shortly after 15:24 Do you gztback with full hp then? Same spot? 15:24 ok who keeps putting dragon scales in the swap chest? it literally takes 1 scroll to turn them into mail 15:25 yes 15:25 [US] Shrigis (Sam Hum Mal Law) removed DoktorL's uncursed +0 set of gray dragon scales from the swap chest, on T:4938 15:26 [US] allanb (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:40728 15:26 [US] allanb (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed Orcus, on T:40729 15:26 [EU] [D]: NetSysFire (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 2355 points, 5685 turns, killed by a gnome king 15:28 [US] stoicjin (Kni Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:6903 15:29 [EU] stenno (Ran Gno Mal Neu) made his first artifact wish - "blessed greased fixed platinum yendorian express card", on T:9663 15:34 [US] [D]: efot (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 5521 points, 4000 turns, killed by a dwarf 15:34 [US] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) genocided class L, on T:25623 15:36 [US] [D]: Kewl (Kni Hum Mal Law), 414 points, 803 turns, killed by a vrock 15:36 [EU] [D]: tromix (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 3071 points, 3142 turns, killed by a gray unicorn 15:38 [US] [D]: eitlarry (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 308 points, 1533 turns, killed by a giant spider 15:39 [US] OmegaDino (Pri Hum Fem Neu) became literate by engraving "test", on T:4515 15:39 [US] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) genocided golden naga, on T:26159 15:40 (still no mr..) 15:40 or a container (unless you count the box i'm using) 15:40 [EU] HalNovek (Hea Gno Fem Neu) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:29169 15:41 and somehow i lost my ring of slow digestion 15:42 [EU] Raisse (Hea Gno Fem Neu) removed DoktorL's uncursed wand of teleportation (0:3) from the swap chest, on T:10770 15:43 lots of good stuff but I've already got reflection, MR and BoH (and I'm poison resistant because I'm a healer) 15:43 [US] [D]: Kewl (Kni Hum Mal Law), 294 points, 1266 turns, killed by a bolt of lightning 15:43 I suspect that the uncursed boots I found are WW boots 15:44 wait what 15:44 [EU] DeVoid (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) destroyed xororand's ghost, the former Adept, on T:9124 15:44 this gargoyle just dropped a corpse and i could eat it 15:44 [US] peterg (Arc Gno Fem Neu) removed terrapin's uncursed amulet of unchanging from the swap chest, on T:30731 15:45 hm well i guess that happens 15:45 [EU] Raisse (Hea Gno Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:10913 15:45 -!- Waffa1 has joined #tnnt 15:45 that randomly surprised me lol 15:46 [US] allanb (Rog Orc Mal Cha) destroyed the invisible Vlad the Impaler, on T:41684 15:46 I just ate a gargoyle corpse in soko 15:47 (good thing because I was hungry and didn't really have time to get food out of my bag with all the fighting) 15:47 [US] allanb (Rog Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:41688 15:47 -!- Waffa has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:47 -!- Waffa1 is now known as Waffa 15:47 [EU] [D]: spontiff (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 500 points, 3673 turns, killed by a lizard 15:48 they are like hard shell crabs 15:48 they have tasty bits inside their stone exterior 15:49 [US] allanb (Rog Orc Mal Cha) chose a runed broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:41755 15:49 [US] allanb (Rog Orc Mal Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:41756 15:49 [US] Shrigis (Sam Hum Mal Law) destroyed Bean's ghost, the former Adept, on T:7768 15:49 i always eat gargoyle corpses and i'm a monk! what's the problem? 15:49 sorry, priest of poseidon, I just want to use your altar pretty please? 15:50 i've never given it much though 15:51 You hit the warhorse. The warhorse kicks! The warhorse bites! The warhorse turns into a killer bee! 15:51 didn't really expect it to do that 15:51 one thing i never do though is play encumbered. This is getting annoying 15:52 i guess i will just leave my box on the level above 15:53 [US] oh6 (Ran Hum Fem Neu) removed Bean's uncursed +0 pair of gauntlets of dexterity from the swap chest, on T:58339 15:53 [EU] [D]: NetSysFire (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 646 points, 1124 turns, killed by a gnome lord 15:54 -!- Waffa has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:54 [US] [D]: eitlarry (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 188 points, 899 turns, killed by a bat 15:54 [US] k2 (Rog Orc Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:16345 15:55 water elementals in vanilla are relatively harmless, right? 15:57 yes, after the first couple of wimpy levels 15:57 relatively. they don't set you on fire like fire elementals but they can still hit hard if you don't have good ac 15:57 also when you're neutral they might come out peaceful 15:59 in evil they strangle/suffocate if you don't have magical breathing 15:59 in the worst case scenario they can still summon a demon lord if you are really unlucky 15:59 [EU] [D]: tromix (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 1514 points, 3080 turns, killed by an invisible gnome king 16:00 Hourly Stats at 2023-11-18 16:00 UTC: Games: 55, Asc: 0, Scum: 42. 0d 04:06 gametime. (62%Mal), 12d 07:59 remaining. 16:01 halnovek: very true 16:01 halnovek: huh? water elementals don't summon demon lords 16:01 -!- Waffa has joined #tnnt 16:01 maybe you are thinking of water demons? 16:01 well that's good to know. he's long dead 16:02 yeah no it was elemtnal not the ones from fountains 16:02 Furey: yes water demons! 16:02 I'm going for fountain wishes, and I just read water demons instead of elementals. 16:02 they suck in eh i would get just enough time to switch amulets 16:03 -!- a1 has joined #tnnt 16:04 [US] [D]: stoicjin (Kni Hum Fem Law), 15303 points, 7259 turns, killed by a gold golem, while praying 16:04 maybe master kaen has a bag of some sort 16:04 can't wait to get polymorpoh 16:06 [US] [D]: stoicjin (Kni Hum Mal Law), 274 points, 801 turns, killed by a brown mold 16:06 [EU] spontiff (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1260 16:08 [US] [D]: stoicjin (Kni Hum Mal Law), 113 points, 253 turns, killed by a small mimic 16:08 [US] peterg (Arc Gno Fem Neu) killed Asmodeus, on T:31758 16:08 ohai karafruit's ghost 16:08 [EU] Raisse (Hea Gno Fem Neu) destroyed karafruit's ghost, the former Dresser, on T:13289 16:08 oh wow, Magicbane and Dragonbane and the PYEC 16:08 now I wish I'd taken a wand of cancellation from the swap chest 16:09 [US] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Master Kaen, on T:29005 16:09 [US] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:29015 16:09 -!- Waffa has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:10 [US] oh6 (Ran Hum Fem Neu) killed Orcus, on T:59626 16:10 -!- Waffa1 has joined #tnnt 16:10 hah. i was kidding about the bag, but something right next to Kaen DID drop a bag and I got all excited 16:10 (bag of tricks...) 16:10 [US] hothraxxa (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:71392 16:11 [US] hothraxxa (Tou Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:71394 16:11 rng absolutely messing with my head this game 16:11 -!- elenmirie has joined #tnnt 16:12 ooooo and a magic lamp 16:12 NOT going to wish for a BoH, but it is very tempting 16:13 [US] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed eye of the aethiopica", on T:29098 16:13 -!- Waffa has joined #tnnt 16:14 I think I'm going to try one of my blessed magic lamps (I have 2 blessed and 1 uncursed) and wish for cancellation to handle karafruit's bounty 16:14 charged my lamp using spontiff strats 16:14 -!- Waffa1 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:14 [EU] Raisse (Hea Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed wand of cancellation", on T:13457 16:16 [US] klepto (Ran Elf Fem Cha) found kitten, on T:14403 16:16 [EU] elenmirie (Arc Gno Fem Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:43747 16:16 [EU] [D]: tromix (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 657 points, 1835 turns, killed by a dwarf 16:17 [EU] elenmirie (Arc Gno Fem Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:43748 16:18 [EU] [D]: spontiff (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 878 points, 2878 turns, killed by a gnome lord 16:18 [US] klepto (Ran Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:14569 16:19 hooray, orc town! 16:19 what is lamp charging with spontiff strats? 16:19 did you know what was in the bones, raisse? 16:19 you'd think my orcish wizard would be more excited about this but...not at all 16:19 i badly need cancel as well 16:20 not as much as a bag tho 16:20 but hey, I have a pick-axe, telepathy and a blindfold...so perhaps I'll find somebody in the main dungeon who wants my 5700 gold 16:20 rub lamp.  wish up pyec.  charge lamp with pyec. repeat part 3 as required. 16:20 Not exactly a genius strategy, just a minor tip really 16:21 [EU] stenno (Ran Gno Mal Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon him by Venus, on T:14736 16:21 uuh 16:22 i guess its better than my dagger 16:22 [US] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:12556 16:23 [US] hothraxxa (Tou Hum Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:71417 16:23 [US] klepto (Ran Elf Fem Cha) destroyed klepto's ghost, the former Trailblazer, on T:15397 16:23 rebatela: lots of wonderful stuff but I can't identify anything (haven't even identified the scroll) 16:23 but I'm wielding magicbane now, hermes can go fuck himself 16:23 [US] [D]: Bean (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 787 points, 1715 turns, killed by a bolt of lightning 16:24 i just wasnt' sure if you had looked at the dumplog 16:24 no, I haven't, even if I'd thought of that I consider it borderline cheating 16:24 you just knew the bag was heavyi guess? 16:25 [EU] elenmirie (Arc Gno Fem Neu) entered the Planes, on T:44294 16:25 yes, and I used my last-but-one potion of holy water to uncurse it so I could #tip it on the altar (and it contained 6 more potions of holy water!) 16:26 i thought yuou wished for cancel to uncurse it? 16:29 holy crap dug down to dlvl 15 and found a priest...who woulda thunk it 16:29 tnnt.org/rules explicitly says that "reading other characters' dumplogs" is "fair game", so it's not even borderline to cheating. but ofc players can have their own honor restrictions. (even in tnnt, i don't mess with izchack, and i don't start scum) 16:30 [EU] elenmirie (Arc Gno Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:44391 16:30 [US] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:13101 16:30 [US] [D]: Bean (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 299 points, 777 turns, killed by a dwarf 16:30 i would never mess with izchack but do not lose sleep over start scumming or dumplog peeking lol 16:31 i am so freaking rusty and nethack i need all the help i can get to just get an ascension 16:31 but yeah, everyone has their own style for sure 16:32 [EU] elenmirie (Arc Gno Fem Neu) genocided class ;, on T:44456 16:32 [EU] [D]: NetSysFire (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 582 points, 1705 turns, killed by a gecko (and one other game not reported) 16:33 [US] hothraxxa (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:71642 16:33 man, I love knowing haste and having eota (especially when i don't have speed boots) 16:33 [US] hothraxxa (Tou Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:71646 16:34 scumming is explicitly mentioned as "fair game", too 16:34 I don't scum...but yeah, if they didn't want us reading bones they wouldn't publish their logs 16:34 [EU] NetSysFire (Pri Hum Fem Neu) averted death (killed by a dwarf), on T:718 16:34 [EU] [D]: NetSysFire (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 397 points, 722 turns, killed by a dwarf 16:34 and I don't kill Izchak but have been known to rob him 16:36 as much as I'd love to have a container, it's nice to finally have MR so i will stop complaining 16:36 I don't really care if my pet kills him but I don't personally murder and I usually try to lock his door 16:37 also have weaponless going still so should really put this pickaxe in my box 16:37 [US] [D]: Spider74656 (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 393 points, 1989 turns, killed by a giant bat 16:37 [EU] elenmirie (Arc Gno Fem Neu) killed Death, on T:44703 16:39 [US] a1 (Kni Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed magic marker", on T:36085 16:39 rebatela: no, I wished for cancel to uncurse the whole lot of cursed stuff including magicbane and the PYEC, as well as some potions from the bag 16:40 [US] klepto (Ran Elf Fem Cha) removed wispofvapor's uncursed bag of holding from the swap chest, on T:17807 16:40 when you tip a cursed boh does stuff still vanish? 16:41 yep 16:41 [US] a1 (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed +3 silver dragon scale mail", on T:36090 16:41 has that stopped me on bones when im already loaded? nope 16:41 [EU] stenno (Ran Gno Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:16314 16:41 i guess i don't get why they didn't cancel the bag 16:41 i've never wished for cancel but i've definitely held off on looting a bones bag so that I can cancel and not lose anything 16:42 [US] a1 (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed +3 cloak of magic resistance", on T:36110 16:42 huh, i just randomly got 'The Most Dangerous Game' 16:42 i did not set any traps 16:42 I wished for cancel a few games ago... 16:42 because I knew the cursed bag had a wand of wishing in there 16:43 ha. there ya go 16:43 pit viper hmm 16:43 that's why i was asking if they had viewed the dumplog lol 16:43 maybe a pit viper hiding under one of my items counts as my trap? 16:43 [EU] [A]: elenmirie (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 2331164 points, 44735 turns, ascended 16:43 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/e/elenmirie/tnnt/dumplog/1700150771.tnnt.html 16:43 gg 16:43 [US] a1 (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed +3 gauntlets of power", on T:36120 16:43 grats elenmirie 16:44 gg 16:44 [EU] [D]: NetSysFire (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 1014 points, 1936 turns, killed by a giant ant (and one other game not reported) 16:44 purple L at castle 16:44 and minotaur 16:45 hmm 16:45 guess i die 16:46 thanks klepto and efot! 16:46 [US] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) genocided mind flayer, on T:31592 16:47 [US] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Law) entered the Planes, on T:84004 16:47 hmm...you don't have MR? 16:47 congrats elenmirie! 16:47 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #tnnt 16:47 elenmirie: pog 16:48 ok i killed the minotaur and the purple L 16:48 [US] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Law) murdered Vita Fidelia, his faithful warhorse, on T:84006 16:48 -!- elenmirie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:48 stenno: pog 16:48 guess they die 16:48 that was smooth 16:49 -!- oh6 has joined #tnnt 16:51 [EU] pinball (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Raisse's ghost, the former Rhizotomist, on T:5939 16:52 [US] klepto (Ran Elf Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:19127 16:52 check check mike check 16:52 ok now I can talk to the channel 16:52 weird 16:52 [US] [D]: jmcunx (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 934 points, 2215 turns, killed by a cave spider, while unconscious from rotten food 16:53 yay finally a KEY!!! 32k turns 16:56 [EU] stenno (Ran Gno Mal Neu) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:16707 16:56 [EU] stenno (Ran Gno Mal Neu) wished for "magic marker", on T:16708 16:56 "vanishes in a puff of logic" is a hitch hiker's guide reference right? 16:57 [EU] [D]: elenmirie (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 340 points, 1069 turns, killed by a giant bat 16:57 yes 16:58 i remember rereading it not all that long ago and spitting out my coffee. Hey he stole that from Nethack! 16:59 -!- stagnate has joined #tnnt 17:00 Hourly Stats at 2023-11-18 17:00 UTC: Games: 16, Asc: 1, Scum: 0. 0d 18:05 gametime. (44%Neu), 12d 06:59 remaining. 17:04 rebatela: reminds me of https://nhqdb.alt.org/?651 17:04 that also happened to me, on the priest quest 17:04 [US] jientho (Hea Hum Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a fire horn on an altar, on T:5238 17:04 [EU] HalNovek (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed the Cyclops, on T:30445 17:04 [EU] HalNovek (Hea Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:30450 17:05 lol 17:05 [EU] [D]: elenmirie (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 183 points, 924 turns, killed by a hobbit 17:05 [US] Shrigis (Sam Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:12657 17:06 [EU] AlbertB (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed the invisible Dark One, on T:59418 17:06 [EU] AlbertB (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:59419 17:06 "you resist the urge to flee" ehhh i think i'm gonna go with that urge for now 17:07 took wayyyy to fucking long to get this far 17:07 oh6: oh yeah lots of boxes in that graveyard 17:07 eh, hippocrates, I'm only level 10 17:07 i played exclusively priests for a long t ime when i first got into nethack seriously 17:09 sucks there are no player monsters to get bags from. ANd it makes no sense that monsters don't carry bags (the human type ones at the very least) 17:09 they seem to be able to manage other tools 17:10 [EU] [D]: spontiff (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 1609 points, 4462 turns, killed by a bat, while fainted from lack of food 17:12 [US] [D]: Scuzzery (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 13100 points, 6297 turns, killed by brainlessness (and one other game not reported) 17:12 [US] Bean (Pri Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Dictyostelium's ghost, the former Pillager, on T:7206 17:14 [EU] [D]: elenmirie (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 69 points, 615 turns, killed by a jackal 17:14 [US] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:33206 17:14 doesn't the perseus statue have a sack sometimes? 17:15 yes 17:15 [US] Bean (Pri Hum Mal Cha) had Orcrist bestowed upon him by Set, on T:7752 17:16 YES!!!! 17:17 [EU] stenno (Ran Gno Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:17073 17:17 [US] [D]: docpi (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 836 points, 2028 turns, killed by a hobgoblin 17:17 @DevTeam- I engraved with a +6 Excalibur and the sword got dulled to +5, but my persistent inventory window still says it's +6. Known issue in the TNNT build? 17:17 [US] [D]: Bean (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 10810 points, 8164 turns, killed by a Green-elf, while sleeping 17:17 cya greased box 17:17 Meh. 17:19 [EU] [D]: Dictyostelium (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 1653 points, 1635 turns, killed by a fall onto poison spikes 17:20 -!- Waffa1 has joined #tnnt 17:21 -!- phinxy has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:21 -!- efot has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:22 -!- Waffa has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:22 -!- Waffa1 is now known as Waffa 17:22 [US] rvcx (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping an octagonal amulet on an altar, on T:4279 17:22 [US] hothraxxa (Tou Hum Fem Neu) entered the Planes, on T:72974 17:22 [US] [D]: Bean (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 827 points, 1105 turns, killed by a gnome 17:23 why are sharks '2' under warning and giant eels are '1' ? 17:23 a1: i have seen that happen in vanilla 3.6.7 (inventory window does not refresh on certain weapon actions, including engraving) 17:24 does it just go by damage? Because one is far more dangerous and it's opposite 17:25 [EU] stenno (Ran Gno Mal Neu) removed DoktorL's uncursed +0 pair of gauntlets of power from the swap chest, on T:17513 17:25 sharks are dangerous at all. I mean, a shark could never make you drown 17:25 [US] [D]: skwrl (Bar Hum Mal Cha), 282245 points, 22588 turns, killed by a DevTeam member called lorimer 17:25 arent* 17:25 like IRL, I would never worry about a shark 17:25 but those fuckingj eels are no joke 17:25 they will drag you right the F down 17:26 [EU] pinball (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:8861 17:27 rebatela: warning number is based on monster level, https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Monster_level . monster level does not take into account special attacks. 17:27 So your ring of warning is an imperfect magical tool. 17:27 [US] [D]: Kewl (Kni Hum Mal Law), 1017 points, 1881 turns, killed by a brown mold 17:27 it's intrinsic but yeah for sure 17:28 [US] Shrigis (Sam Hum Mal Law) made his first wish - "blessed fixed +2 gauntlets of power", on T:14536 17:28 in my eyes, bug report would not go to devteam, but an in-game complaint to the power that granted you warning :) 17:29 nah it's not a bug 17:29 more along the lines of "it's the quiet ones ya gotta watch" 17:29 [US] Spider74656 (Ran Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1065 17:29 [US] [D]: Kewl (Kni Hum Mal Law), 117 points, 240 turns, killed by an invisible water demon 17:30 playing unspoiled you don't know eels are dangerous until one ruins a great run, likely the first time you make it to medusa/castle 17:30 [US] [D]: Bean (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 1199 points, 1954 turns, killed by a gnome 17:30 you're too busy worried about the relatively easy sharks... 17:32 [US] [D]: Bean (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 141 points, 448 turns, killed by a magic missile 17:32 i kill the sharks too just because any ; is scary looking and my eyes have gotten bad 17:32 [US] klepto (Ran Elf Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:23834 17:33 lucky throne wish 17:34 [EU] [D]: elenmirie (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 595 points, 2054 turns, killed by elenmirie's ghost, while sleeping 17:34 a1: it updates if you drop it and pick it up again but that's all I know 17:38 [US] Bean (Pri Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Bean's ghost, the former Acolyte, on T:1438 17:39 [EU] [D]: elenmirie (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 444 points, 670 turns, killed by a giant mimic 17:39 [US] Shrigis (Sam Hum Mal Law) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:15588 17:41 -!- spontiff has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:42 -!- Waffa1 has joined #tnnt 17:42 oh man ki-rin at the castle. i tried to charm it, but i don't even have a magic whistle 17:43 [US] hothraxxa (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:73195 17:43 not worth dying trying to tame it 17:43 -!- Waffa has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:43 -!- Waffa1 is now known as Waffa 17:44 [US] [D]: stoicjin (Kni Hum Mal Law), 1238 points, 2656 turns, killed by a dog 17:45 tamed a jabberwock though! 17:45 i really don't likke having pets without stethoscope and magic whistle though.. People who do a re irresponsible pet owners imo 17:45 [EU] [D]: elenmirie (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 208 points, 909 turns, killed by a bat 17:46 [EU] [D]: elenmirie (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 7 points, 125 turns, killed by a jackal 17:49 -!- Waffa1 has joined #tnnt 17:50 [US] [D]: Kewl (Kni Hum Mal Law), 434 points, 2010 turns, killed by a water moccasin 17:51 [EU] [D]: lacca (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 4513 points, 5138 turns, killed by a jaguar (and one other game not reported) 17:51 -!- Waffa has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:51 -!- Waffa1 is now known as Waffa 17:51 beginning healers are so squishy 17:52 I'm lucky that I wanted to dilute something and got a wish very early 17:52 can cobras pull you under water or is that just pythons? 17:53 just pythons 17:53 okay *whew* 17:53 I'm clearing the healer quest home level (mostly of dragons) 17:54 luring them through the portal one by one 17:54 [EU] pinball (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) removed DoktorL's uncursed +0 set of silver dragon scales from the swap chest, on T:10210 17:55 [US] Shrigis (Sam Hum Mal Law) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:16773 17:56 I wonder what happens if you kill Hippocrates with the dragons in vanilla 17:56 the way down gets closed afaik 17:56 aw 17:56 I remember a 3.4.3 game that had a poly trap in hippo's room and he turned himself into a dog and I tamed him 17:57 I don't know whether he'd already admitted me 17:57 [EU] [D]: elenmirie (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 249 points, 1135 turns, killed by a wererat 17:57 hahaha 17:57 ooh a 5x12 leppy hall 17:57 -!- crunchbubba has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:57 he should probably have more MR but it’s funny he doesn’t 17:58 [EU] [D]: elenmirie (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 57 points, 106 turns, killed by a boulder 17:58 though I think he does have more in 3.7 17:59 [US] klepto (Ran Elf Fem Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon her by Mars, on T:26226 17:59 [EU] Dictyostelium (Val Hum Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3024 18:00 Current Day as of 2023-11-18 18:00 UTC: Games: 281, Asc: 8, Scum: 82. 1088769 turns, 21701396 points. 11d 05:27 gametime. (18%Hea), (48%Hum), (54%Neu), (52%Fem), 12d 05:59 remaining. 18:00 [US] stagnate (Sam Hum Fem Law) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:4074 18:00 lol elenmirie and I are both playing gnome healers and it's still 48% human 18:01 (neutral female gnomish healers, too) 18:01 but I'm past the squishy stage with mine so I don't contribute to the gnome healer deaths 18:01 -!- Waffa has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:02 -!- Waffa has joined #tnnt 18:04 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 18:04 [US] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Law) wished for "2 blessed potions of full healing", on T:84570 18:06 [US] stoicjin (Kni Hum Fem Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping 23 darts on an altar, on T:3874 18:08 [EU] [D]: elenmirie (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 340 points, 1676 turns, killed by a kitten 18:08 [US] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Law) wished for "2 blessed potions of full healing", on T:84586 18:10 [US] [D]: tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Law), 1628653 points, 84594 turns, killed by an Angel of Moloch (with the Amulet) 18:12 -!- tinklebear has joined #tnnt 18:13 tinklebear, sorry for le splat. 18:14 tinklebear, you tried to heal yourself, but ultimately the angel was too aggressive? 18:14 two good splats now 18:14 aww rip tinklebear! 18:14 What happened? :( 18:15 didn't bring sufficient supplies to support my poor astral skills 18:15 [US] hothraxxa (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "thoroughly historic blessed greased empty locked poisoned very figurine of a woodchuck named carl s. dejackal, terror of yendor", on T:73626 18:15 !lastgame tinklebear 18:15 $lastgame tinklebear 18:15 Noisytoot: [US] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/t/tinklebear/tnnt/dumplog/1699679625.tnnt.html 18:15 no MR? 18:15 but I'm pretty happy to have splatted twice on astral with no MR 18:16 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 18:16 yeah, no MR, Noisytoot (and efot) 18:16 ... elenmirie and raise and furey are playing gnomish healers 18:16 -!- efot has joined #tnnt 18:16 You kill the wumpus! 18:16 unfortunate 18:16 (re: tinklebear) 18:17 [EU] [D]: elenmirie (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 236 points, 1354 turns, killed by a hill orc called Akhaioth of Ugrisa 18:17 [US] [A]: hothraxxa (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 2731941 points, 73630 turns, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/h/hothraxxa/tnnt/dumplog/1699971777.tnnt.html 18:17 hothraxxa, grats! 18:17 Furey: *Were. At least elenmirie. 18:17 yw 18:17 Congrats! :) 18:17 congrats hothraxxa! 18:17 congrats hothraxxa! 18:18 ty ty 18:18 [EU] Dictyostelium (Val Hum Fem Law) received Excalibur, on T:3322 18:18 I am still playing one (just found ludios) 18:18 * hothraxxa bows, takes second curtain call 18:18 that's great human done 18:18 congrats, hothraxxa 18:18 gj hothraxxa whats next? 18:19 not sure. time to see what the clan needs 18:19 cool, best of luck any how :) 18:19 thanks 18:19 may the rng ever be in your favor! 18:19 hah 18:19 [EU] stenno (Ran Gno Mal Neu) killed Scorpius, on T:19572 18:20 you don't want to know how long i was on the plane of water 18:20 [EU] stenno (Ran Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:19604 18:20 congrats hothraxxa! 18:20 hothraxxa, without any means of walking or breathing? 18:21 no just waiting 18:21 -!- Waffa1 has joined #tnnt 18:21 i had water walking boots (to get ice jesus) but i thought they don't work on 3.6 astral 18:22 -!- Waffa has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:22 -!- Waffa1 is now known as Waffa 18:22 I thought they didn't work on 3.4 plane of water either, and you needed levitation there (and then the levitation method was removed for 3.6) 18:22 [US] stoicjin (Kni Hum Fem Law) received Excalibur, on T:6201 18:22 i left the breathing amulet in my stash 18:22 What were you waiting for, hothraxxa, Christmas? 18:23 [EU] [D]: Evilparsnips (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 318 points, 1479 turns, killed by a wererat 18:23 godot 18:24 I see, hothraxxa, I hear that there is a waiting list for waiting for him. 18:25 [US] stoicjin (Kni Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:6516 18:25 -!- spontiff has joined #tnnt 18:25 [US] [D]: Kewl (Kni Hum Mal Law), 375 points, 1479 turns, killed by a gnome, while frozen by a monster's gaze 18:25 gg hothraxxa! 18:26 [US] [D]: Kewl (Kni Hum Mal Law), 14 points, 205 turns, killed by a goblin 18:27 [US] [D]: Evendur (Ran Orc Fem Cha), 482 points, 1985 turns, killed by a rothe, while sleeping (and one other game not reported) 18:29 [US] [D]: Spider74656 (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 2075 points, 2216 turns, killed by a gnome king 18:31 [US] stoicjin (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "3 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:7029 18:32 stoicjin: Christmas? 18:33 [US] stoicjin (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed +3 silver dragon scale mail", on T:7035 18:33 [US] stoicjin (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fireproof +3 cloak of magic resistance", on T:7047 18:33 argh! 18:34 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 139040 points, 19828 turns, drowned in a moat by a giant eel 18:34 [US] stoicjin (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed fireproof +3 speed boots", on T:7049 18:34 it was going so well! 18:34 gg hothraxxa gj on the great human 18:34 rip 18:34 oh no raisse 18:34 quest? 18:34 ludios 18:35 didn't notice or no escape items? 18:35 [US] stoicjin (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed amulet of life saving", on T:7235 18:35 no levitation, forgot to take wand of teleport out of bag 18:35 there was an eel trapped between my boulders in front of the doors 18:35 [EU] Dictyostelium (Val Hum Fem Law) destroyed elenmirie's ghost, the former Rhizotomist, on T:3684 18:35 I was trying to push the boulder into the moat but it was in the way 18:36 Shrigis: I was really low on resources at the time :( 18:37 [EU] Dictyostelium (Val Hum Fem Law) destroyed elenmirie's ghost, the former Rhizotomist, on T:3711 18:37 I'm sure elenmirie will ascend a gnome healer so I think I'll go back to priestesses 18:37 [US] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:13732 18:38 good luck to you. Hope to do a priest later too if I don't splat this run 18:38 [US] stoicjin (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7642 18:39 Did Dictyostelium just destroy the same ghost twice? 18:39 -!- anselmus has joined #tnnt 18:39 [US] a1 (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased amulet of life saving", on T:37479 18:40 [US] stoicjin (Kni Hum Fem Law) removed terrapin's blessed +0 unicorn horn from the swap chest, on T:7743 18:40 I was so focused on the sea monsters that I nearly got YASD while in the healer quest earlier: it would have been the second death this month to a quest nemesis... ^^'' 18:40 [US] Leggman (Bar Hum Mal Neu) destroyed eitlarry's ghost, the former Digger, on T:5432 18:40  I completely forgot that Cyclops wields and attacks with the draining Staff... And I didn't even use the scroll of scare monsters that I was carrying, and still had my wand of death inside my bag... 18:41 I like to poly him 18:41 one time all I had was a potion so I hit him with that 18:41 And I even had that wand lol... It would have been a really shameful death XD 18:41 and I guess it does the potion effect before the glass damage (so that healing potions don't kill, maybe) 18:42 so the potion turned him into a grid bug...and then the glass damage killed him 18:42 isn't there an achievement for that? 18:42 there's one for killing the nemesis before he has a chance to act 18:43 no, for killing an enemy with HP damage from a potion bottle 18:43 (as opposed to the potion itself) 18:43 oh maybe 18:43 there sure is 18:44 [US] Spider74656 (Ran Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:335 18:45 [US] SkippitoFriskito (Bar Orc Mal Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3480 18:46 [US] SkippitoFriskito (Bar Orc Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 8 crossbow bolts on an altar, on T:3586 18:46 I remember that there was that achievement some year in TNNT. I can't find it now though. But maybe it does not contain the word "potion"? 18:46 Bar Brawler 18:47 maybe has to be a melee attack, given that description 18:47 yes, that one! It contains the word "bottle" instead of "potion" in the description 18:48 [US] terrapin (Val Hum Fem Neu) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:20977 18:51 [EU] stenno (Ran Gno Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:21617 18:51 [EU] [D]: elenmirie (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 750 points, 2707 turns, killed by a killer bee, while reading a book 18:52 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:52 [US] anselmus (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a dagger named s on an altar, on T:5831 18:53 [EU] Dictyostelium (Val Hum Fem Law) destroyed elenmirie's ghost, the former Rhizotomist, on T:3952 18:53 Again?? 18:53 elenmirie_, what is happening with your ghost there? 18:54 * docpi wonders about trolling Troll ghosts 18:55 [US] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) destroyed lacca's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:8273 18:55 [US] [D]: SkippitoFriskito (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 4683 points, 4300 turns, killed by a marilith 18:57 -!- Umbire has joined #tnnt 18:57 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 101 points, 414 turns, killed by a kobold 19:00 Hourly Stats at 2023-11-18 19:00 UTC: Games: 13, Asc: 1, Scum: 0. 5d 06:28 gametime. (38%Gno), 12d 04:59 remaining. 19:00 [US] [D]: docpi (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 315 points, 1219 turns, killed by a giant bat 19:00 Meh. 19:00 You see here an uncursed silver saber named Grayswandir (for sale, 32000 zorkmids). 19:00 I'll never get any skill with that, even if the cat will bring it 19:01 oh right, haven't got a cat at the moment, killed by an orc 19:01 [US] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Trollsbane bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:8508 19:01 [US] DekaFumoPuzzle (Bar Hum Mal Cha) bribed Asmodeus with 2060 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:30434 19:01 [US] stoicjin (Kni Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:10518 19:01 [US] haldisse (Cav Dwa Mal Law) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3131 19:02 [EU] [D]: elenmirie (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 630 points, 1337 turns, killed by a hobbit 19:02 [US] GrmlyFndsh (Pri Hum Mal Law) genocided class R, on T:81991 19:04 No more rust, no more disenchantment. 19:04 The grid bug bites! You get zapped! The zap doesn't shock you! 19:04 messages I have never seen before 19:04 (normally I never get shock res that early) 19:04 [US] a1 (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:38543 19:05 you have never started with a ring of shock resistance as a wizard? 19:05 [US] klepto (Ran Elf Fem Cha) had Fire Brand bestowed upon her by Mars, on T:31569 19:05 [US] DekaFumoPuzzle (Bar Hum Mal Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:30734 19:06 Noisytoot: just this game and never before 19:06 I don't play wizard very often 19:06 I have been trying to learn it 19:06 although, mostly I'm experimenting to see what changes to the game would be needed to make petless E-less wizard viable 19:07 [EU] HarmathZsolt (Cav Dwa Fem Law) killed the Chromatic Dragon, on T:56490 19:07 petless E-less wizard is usually viable I think 19:07 [EU] HarmathZsolt (Cav Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:56491 19:07 (of course there’s all the bs that comes with NetHack early game like attack wands, but MR helps against a lot of stuff) 19:08 [EU] Kontroller (Bar Hum Mal Cha) wished for "wand of cancellation", on T:17164 19:08 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Pri Hum Fem Law), 536 points, 1747 turns, killed by an iguana, while frozen by a monster's gaze 19:09 @dev 19:09 ais523, I have played as a wizard almost entirely since I started playing nethack some 30 years ago. Petless is no problem. 19:09 I mean, you still die. 19:09 Often. 19:09 [US] peterg (Arc Gno Fem Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:33694 19:09 But independently of having a pet or not. 19:10 there are a few special cases where it matters, e.g. early game sleep traps 19:10 ais523, in 3.6 you mean? I cannot remember dying from a sleeping gas trap often, or at all. 19:10 in 3.4.3 19:11 [EU] [D]: ais523 (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 680 points, 1508 turns, killed by a wererat 19:11 sleep traps are unchanged since 3.4.3 19:11 ugh the one time i get lazy and don't id rings it turns out i had conflict and could've finished soko zoo with it 19:11 docpi: maybe you usally play elves? 19:11 but right, it doesn't come up very often 19:11 dl 10 soko had air E and the works 19:12 ais523, strictly neutral female human wizards, or priests. 19:12 wizards at least get force bolt and maybe another useful spell 19:12 [US] peterg (Arc Gno Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:33767 19:12 though hunger can rarely be an issue if you don’t start with 18 int 19:12 docpi: fair enough 19:13 I almost only play human, hardly die from sleep traps. 19:13 I die from sleep traps all the fkin time 19:13 Maybe cuz when monsters attack you you will been soon awaken. 19:13 maybe it’s because I am always on low HP 19:13 this game I have stone to flesh at my current spell, which is basically uncastable at Unskilled 19:13 so I only have one spell until I find a robe or a lower-level healing spellbook 19:15 I think it would be very easy to do a petless e-less elven wizard if start with a tooled horn? 19:15 not really the point 19:15 This is unusual: There is almost more floor space in the corridors on this level than in the rooms. 19:15 I think it would be nice if there were other ways to make casting high level spells easier besides robes 19:15 you can have a good start in various ways, but what about ascending a bad start 19:15 but not really important 19:16 and would also defeat the purpose of high level spell 19:16 No worries, it's not hard to ascend a drow convict. 19:16 [US] a1 (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "wand of fire", on T:38765 19:16 anselmus, as robes already do 19:17 I'm just thinkin that it would be fairly easy to do such wizard. 19:17 [US] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:14763 19:17 Also that’s just incorrect, since you’d still have to go out of your way 19:17 If it's bad start then one need to pay more attension in early game. 19:17 i don't think a starting pri can cast everything 19:18 You are correct, anselmus. 19:18 “Ways to make casting high level spells easier”, anselmus 19:18 [US] efot (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:13439 19:18 which is in fact, exactly what a robe does 19:18 I remember xnethack made some changes about casting? 19:19 [US] DekaFumoPuzzle (Bar Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:31594 19:19 [EU] [D]: elenmirie (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 304 points, 1948 turns, killed by a wererat 19:19 The casting in vanilla is too bound to roles, I often only cast when I play wizard. 19:19 [US] DekaFumoPuzzle (Bar Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:31595 19:19 [US] [D]: eitlarry (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 377 points, 1120 turns, killed by a rothe 19:20 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Pri Hum Fem Law), 160 points, 1353 turns, killed by a kobold zombie 19:20 xNetHack doesn't change that, so much as change how it's calculated 19:21 though it does also make it so that the quarterstaff and wand of nothing provide a similar non-stacking bonus to the robe 19:21 no wonder that this goblin was so hard to hit, they had a +5 iron skull cap 19:21 you can also wield a book to reduce the energy cost on a spell 19:21 raisse, nice 19:21 I forget how xnethack did it but I remember it made that magic missile cost like 30 pw for my tourist 19:22 [EU] [D]: elenmirie (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 71 points, 281 turns, killed by a kobold 19:22 dnethack has more items that grant spellcasting bonuses 19:22 [US] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) found kitten, on T:1155 19:22 [EU] [D]: ais523 (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 395 points, 1292 turns, killed by a water demon 19:22 why wands of nothing? they're not magical 19:23 I like the FIQHack approach where things that would increase spell failure chance instead increase Pw cost 19:23 ais that’s what xnethack does I think 19:24 yep, it's what xnh does 19:24 I enjoy that approach too 19:24 [EU] Evilparsnips (Pri Elf Mal Cha) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:5271 19:24 I enjoy it grudgingly since it makes sense but makes my life harder :p 19:24 They're a focus for magic 19:25 it's not a wand of anything, but it's still a wand, like a harry potter wand 19:26 wands of nothing have charges 19:26 which is a little hard to explain given that they're nonmagical 19:26 does it use a charge when you wield it and cast something in xnh? 19:26 [US] stoicjin (Kni Hum Fem Law) averted death (killed by a blue jelly), on T:13289 19:26 (which would make sense to me) 19:27 it's like a placebo wand? 19:27 Does vanilla have distinctions between magical/nonmagical items? I know variants have stuff like magic detection 19:27 like those magnetic rings/wristbands that people supposedly believe that will cure their anxiety, pain or whatever? 19:27 nabru, it's more like a deceptive wand 19:28 [US] [D]: tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Law), 599 points, 2267 turns, killed by a crossbow bolt 19:28 maybe it's created from a failed attempt to make a useful wand 19:28 I don't know what's magical in evil. 19:28 e.g. there's a spell in it, but the spell doesn't do anything that would be relevant 19:28 When I play wizard, it seems every scrools or potions are all magical :P. 19:28 I think it would be pretty difficult to get a magical charge to do nothing, so maybe it’s actually very impressive magic 19:29 Guess maybe only waters and blank papers are non magical. 19:29 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Pri Hum Fem Law), 390 points, 1476 turns, killed by a bolt of lightning 19:29 -!- kewldewd has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:29 there are more nonmagical potions 19:29 and yes it does 19:29 [EU] stenno (Ran Gno Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (class h), on T:22458 19:29 I went down the mines stairs and immediately a gnome lord zapped me with a bolt of lightning! 19:30 nonmagical items are unlikely to turn into magical items when polypiling 19:30 fruit juice, booze, oil, acid 19:30 [EU] [D]: ais523 (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 248 points, 1204 turns, killed by a small mimic 19:31 [US] haldisse (Cav Dwa Mal Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a dagger on an altar, on T:6095 19:31 almost all tools also, which is why polypiling is so effective 19:31 unihorn polypiling is so lucrative I find myself hoarding like 500 aum of just horns 19:32 [EU] stenno (Ran Gno Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:22764 19:32 oh my something has angered the entire watch 19:33 Yes almost all the magical tools are very useful. 19:33 [EU] [D]: ais523 (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 142 points, 276 turns, killed by a small mimic 19:33 oh gah, I knew the mimic was there, but forgot that waiting with 's' would wake it 19:33 just when i get aligned temple, full shops including boh 19:33 it is surprising how often I die to interface issues in vanilla that are fixed in NH4 19:33 [EU] [D]: elenmirie (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 331 points, 1724 turns, killed by a wererat 19:34 I just wait with . tbh 19:34 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Pri Hum Fem Law), 296 points, 2101 turns, died of starvation, while frozen by a monster's gaze 19:36 [EU] stenno (Ran Gno Mal Neu) removed oh6's uncursed +0 silver dagger from the swap chest, on T:23059 19:36 -!- spontiff has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:36 [US] GrmlyFndsh (Pri Hum Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:88699 19:36 ok the mechanics of how a robe works is really weird, but because it lets you get a negative spellcasting penalty it can give some pretty wild spellcasting chance boosts, like if a spell had a chance of 40% without wearing a robe and you're a monk with no body armour or shield, with robe the adjusted chance should be like 97% (if i got the calculation right) 19:37 [EU] [D]: elenmirie (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 198 points, 758 turns, killed by a fox 19:37 [US] GrmlyFndsh (Pri Hum Mal Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:88712 19:37 (and also assuming not special role spell or emergency spell) 19:37 [US] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) wished for "Blessed spellbook of magic mapping", on T:16590 19:38 yeah robes are crazy 19:39 for priest it should be something like... 40% chance w/o robe gets bumped to 79% with (no shield, no body armour, no special or emergency spell bonus) 19:39 [US] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Dragonbane bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:13041 19:39 since you usually have to murder a pri for it it's a fair reward 19:40 Robes are great and I hardly wear them. 19:40 ^ same 19:40 except when actually pri 19:40 I remember that I always put on amulet of flying in 3.7, then sdsm + comr, sadly no slot for robe. 19:41 But I could sometimes wear robe in evil :P 19:41 just do levitation, GDSM and then your amulet and cloak slot are free 19:41 argh I keep trying to apply my nonexistent stethoscope, been playing too many healers 19:41 does conflict anger the watch in 3.6? 19:41 [US] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) removed stoicjin's blessed +0 gray dragon scale mail from the swap chest, on T:3409 19:41 nooo I found that in 3.7 I need to switch levitation a lot of times in gehennom. 19:41 flying > levitation 19:42 [EU] [D]: elenmirie (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 226 points, 427 turns, killed by a rothe 19:42 -!- efot has quit [Quit: Client closed] 19:42 flying is better than levitation but only really if you are lazy 19:42 which I am admittedly, but for some reason lev ring never bothered me 19:43 [US] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed the Dark One, on T:17093 19:43 [US] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:17094 19:43 In my first few ascensions I used levitation boots, that was really bad 19:43 anselmus I think no, peaceful will attack if in melee range, but they are stil peaceful, just take off ring of confict or walk away. 19:43 [EU] [D]: fragmites (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 161 points, 501 turns, killed by a brown mold 19:43 Lazy me just need to fly. 19:43 the only other thing right before was a yellow light exploding 19:44 yeah the ring's been off 19:44 Have some games switching only levitation in 3.7, like I need to put on and take off the ring five times every level. 19:44 I always wait with s because of eurynome in dnethack 19:45 to the ttyrec 19:45 [EU] stenno (Ran Gno Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 speed boots", on T:23310 19:45 [US] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed rustproof +2 helm of brilliance", on T:13886 19:45 maybe you accidentally tried unlocking a door twice or something 19:45 [US] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) genocided jabberwock, on T:13890 19:45 [US] jmcunx (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) murdered her faithful kitten, on T:3700 19:45 [US] docpi (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) found kitten, on T:1222 19:46 xdminsy: you can use fireproof wwalking instead 19:47 lava does not burn inventory in 3.7 19:47 I know, I always wear speed boots. 19:48 fuck it was the bugle, another 3.6 innovation 19:48 I'm always using the very fixed ascension kits in 3.7 when I play. 19:49 Applying a bugle will allow you to play it. Improvising can awaken or scare nearby monsters, as with a tooled horn[2] - however, it will also awaken, anger, and unparalyze all soldiers and watchmen on the level. 19:49 I prefer the horn for that reason 19:49 anselmus: conflict doesn't anger peacefuls, but they will hit you if you stand adjacent to them 19:49 [US] disperse (Arc Gno Mal Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 425 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:27028 19:49 and if you hit back they will be angered 19:49 aren't bugles lighter? 19:49 possibly but tooled horns aren't very heavy either 19:49 Yes bugle will anger watches, be careful when in minetown. 19:50 * anselmus is used to nh4/343 19:50 [US] [D]: hothraxxa (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 171 points, 622 turns, killed by a gnome 19:50 [US] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:4283 19:50 it's like they expected you to just learn one game 19:50 So just to be really sure: Conflict does not cause the Watch to turn on themselves in Minetown in 3.7 anymore? 19:51 because does that make sense to you? nooo 19:51 docpi: where did you hear that? 19:51 [US] disperse (Arc Gno Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:27124 19:52 actually conflict is the only thing that will possibly save my butt now 19:52 if i can even get out of the temple 19:52 That stupid bugle thing has killed me so many times 19:52 the only 3.7 changes to conflict I'm aware of is that monsters have a chance to resist based on their level, your level, and your charisma, and they have to be able to see you for it to work 19:53 [US] DekaFumoPuzzle (Bar Hum Mal Cha) killed Orcus, on T:33805 19:53 so unless there's some other change i dont know about that isnt in the wiki, it would still be possible in 3.7 to use conflict to make the watch kill eachother 19:53 Ah, no, aoei, I misunderstood what anselmus asked earlier about conflict, and the Watch. 19:53 damn, before 3.7 you didn’t need los? I should have been using conflict more! 19:53 without angering them necessarilz 19:54 [US] disperse (Arc Gno Mal Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 76 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:27329 19:54 no Loggers, you always needed LOS 19:54 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 19:54 but now invisibility stops it working, unless the target can also see invisible 19:54 thats what is meant by they need to be able to see the player 19:54 ahh, i misunderstood 19:55 -!- karafruit has joined #tnnt 19:55 that’s interesting, most people get permanent invisibility pretty early 19:55 [US] jmcunx (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) found kitten, on T:4543 19:56 ooh two elenmirie's ghosts in minetown 19:56 s/interesting/shit 19:56 anselmus: have you considered looking at things in a less negative light 19:56 Loggers, "los"? 19:56 docpi: line of sight 19:56 Ah. 19:56 [US] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur, on T:5156 19:56 * docpi ahed 19:56 not really lol 19:57 [EU] Raisse (Pri Hum Fem Law) destroyed elenmirie's ghost, the former Rhizotomist, on T:2937 19:57 i don't like stuff constantly changing for arbitrary reasons 19:57 it's not an arbitrary reason, it's an attempt at rebalancing 19:57 asking anselmus to look at things in a non negative light is like asking the fish if it’s ever considered living in the mountains :p 19:57 [US] [D]: Qwesti (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 1299 points, 2719 turns, killed by a straw golem 19:57 the idea being that just getting perma invis asap is no longer such a clean cut choice 19:57 Loggers LMAO 19:58 just to be clear, you're saying perm invis disables conflict completely? 19:58 [US] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5427 19:58 anselmus: no 19:58 you can just put on a mummy wrapping if you want it that bad 19:58 [US] [D]: nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 10174 points, 5438 turns, killed by a raven 19:58 anselmus: it prevents it from working on monsters who can't see invisible 19:58 because conflict i suppose was soo op? 19:59 Literally yes 19:59 conflict was and still is pretty fucking op yes 19:59 the 3.7 changes to it don't really make it that much worse tbh 19:59 there's already eh/hackem if i want to die mindlessly thank you 19:59 I cannot sense that :P 20:00 Hourly Stats at 2023-11-18 20:00 UTC: Games: 21, Asc: 0, Scum: 1. 0d 06:03 gametime. (55%Gno), 12d 03:59 remaining. 20:00 your fallback argument is always just “3.7 is actually evilhack now” 20:00 Not sure how conflict working, but usually just put on one. 20:00 permanent invis was already bad unless you can jump into shops 20:00 and now I think magic traps can toggle it, but there's still no reliable way to remove it 20:00 No, 3.6 is evil than 3.7 I think. 20:00 [US] disperse (Arc Gno Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:27696 20:00 if you think 3.7 is bad, play evilhack and you’ll realize how silly it sounds 20:00 [US] disperse (Arc Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:27697 20:00 Noisytoot: the standard practice was always to getr perma invis just before castle, after doing all the shops 20:00 3.7 is easier in many aspects. 20:01 i don't mind hard goals per se, i just like goals that are reasonably attainable 20:01 you like prot runs? no here's orctown 20:01 fucking hate orctown to be fair 20:02 I like orctown but yeah it fucking sucks 20:02 orctown as an orc really sucks 20:02 Lol maybe, I think black dragons have passive disintegrate attacks are reasonable. 20:03 should i play nethack stenno 20:03 it is Saturday, i am alone 20:03 then there were those new castle layouts in unh that basically required reflection wtf 20:03 plus if you get scales then you have passive disintegration so there’s that 20:03 if you want to, do it 20:03 i could actually do it 20:03 i could do it right now 20:03 but i want beer first 20:03 anselmus those maps are actually the worst part of evilhack :P 20:03 -!- oh7 has joined #tnnt 20:03 stenno: should i drink Pils like a good northern girl? 20:03 yes 20:03 okay i will do it 20:03 passive disintegrate (evilhack black dragon) and passive paralysis (floating eye) are bad and should be removed or replaced 20:03 P: 20:04 no they shouldnt 20:04 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:04 -!- oh7 is now known as oh6 20:04 i assume astra 20:04 [US] [D]: jmcunx (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 3329 points, 5217 turns, killed by a tengu 20:04 passive disintegration is great 20:04 I’m ending that debate before it truly kicks off 20:04 [US] a1 (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Asmodeus, on T:40156 20:05 stenno: meh i dont like astra reallz 20:05 really* 20:05 holsten is OK 20:05 aoei: do you do any startscumming type stuff 20:05 it requires thought to deal with black dragons and wearing the scales gives a great instakill, but wrecks loot and poses a danger if a monster gets ahold of your items somehow 20:05 [US] [D]: SkippitoFriskito (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 745 points, 1609 turns, killed by a giant ant 20:05 in short, it is *interesting* 20:05 anselmus: i will reroll my elf priest if the instrument isn't tonal 20:05 [US] disperse (Arc Gno Mal Neu) killed Orcus, on T:27986 20:05 tbf 20:05 do you get trash-talked for drinking holsten instead of astra 20:05 YO DISPERSE IS ON A ROLL 20:06 stenno: why would i get trash-talked for this? 20:06 Arseniy is going for hea as 13th role (nonconsecutive) and just got orctown 20:06 I think the worst evilhack passive is cancellation from gray or slow from orange 20:06 holsten is the superior pilsner 20:06 [US] GrmlyFndsh (Pri Hum Mal Law) performed the invocation, on T:89736 20:06 another castle kirin. tamed this one 20:06 terrapin: anything that makes it easy to instadie (or get your artifact weapon disintegrated) by typoing into a monster is not interesting 20:06 idk for some people its important 20:07 what's up aoei? 20:07 hope things are good yo 20:07 [US] peterg (Arc Gno Fem Neu) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:35955 20:07 well noisy the typoing part is not interesting but if you ignore that all the nuance the passive brings to strategy is pretty interesting 20:07 Noisytoot I get the impression you're of the 'if presents a challenge, it should be removed' camp 20:08 most of your comments about many variants revolve around that premise 20:08 i'm really curious what kind of game it would be if you made your own variant 20:08 K2: typos aren't an interesting challenge. if there was paranoid confirmation for it, it wouldn't be so bad, but would be no less actually challenging 20:09 its not the games job to protect you from yourself 20:09 [EU] elenmirie (Hea Gno Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:3043 20:09 i still believe that hard work is the key to the american dream, not skills or intelligence 20:09 these games are anti american 20:09 ah but you see, that was the real mistake, believing in the american dream at all 20:09 [EU] DoktorL (Hea Gno Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:3587 20:10 ^ may as well give this +3 elven dagger some respect 20:10 [US] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:16418 20:10 [EU] [D]: fragmites (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 3474 points, 3163 turns, killed by a Woodland-elf 20:10 [EU] [D]: elenmirie (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 1282 points, 3081 turns, killed by a giant mimic 20:10 Noisytoot: learn not to typo, or think for a quick second before making a move. it's not hard to do 20:11 turn-based shall set you free 20:11 oh i love typo deaths 20:11 it's what got me into nethack and i can't stand when they get nerfed 20:12 I hate them and they should disappear 20:12 can we talk a bit about paranoid water? 20:12 no 20:12 no 20:12 :) 20:12 * rebatela covers ears for collective 'no' 20:12 :) 20:12 [US] GrmlyFndsh (Pri Hum Mal Law) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:89824 20:12 [US] GrmlyFndsh (Pri Hum Mal Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:89825 20:12 [EU] tromix (Bar Orc Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 7 darts on an altar, on T:3327 20:12 [EU] stenno (Ran Gno Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:24215 20:12 i almost stopped playing evilhack 20:13 easyhack 20:13 there is no “talk” to be had there is only “shouting” :P 20:13 remove poison instadeath 20:13 it's harder not to typo if you have a bad connection 20:13 no doubt 20:13 move closer to k2 20:13 [US] GrmlyFndsh (Pri Hum Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:89864 20:13 rebatela: that's why it's an option. you can disable it if you don't like it. 20:13 oh so we can make our own rules? 20:13 and all play by different rules? cool 20:14 you’ve been able to do stuff like that since options were added 20:14 paranoid liquid is just especially controversial 20:14 it already happened anyway 20:14 you could always use a custom interface to get paranoid liquids, if one existed 20:14 [EU] mobileuser (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:46165 20:15 anything that can be done by a custom interface should be part of the game 20:15 [EU] mobileuser (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:46172 20:15 where do you draw that line? 20:15 whoops i didn't mean to do that? 20:15 i want to go back 20:15 [EU] [D]: ais523 (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 4264 points, 5501 turns, killed by a fire ant 20:15 i mean, that's fine. but it's not nethack 20:16 ehhhh both sides are silly 20:16 I draw the line where it cannot be done with the information the player has (i.e. what can be done by a custom interface). Anything beyond that is a balance change and not automatically a good idea. 20:16 so no physical skill involved 20:16 [EU] mobileuser (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed ring of conflict", on T:46176 20:16 what about people who play for speed? 20:16 i not unsympathetic to the "anti--typo-death" camp, but black dragon instadeaths are borderline impossible 20:16 rebatela, it doesn’t really make a difference 20:17 [US] [D]: Qwesti (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 155 points, 616 turns, killed by a system shock 20:17 [EU] mobileuser (Val Hum Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:46179 20:17 well, enough people cried that there is paranoid water in "evil" hack so i'd say the debate is over anyway 20:17 and in evil, you can always see floating eyes if you have telepathy, which makes typo-ing into them very difficult 20:17 is there paranoid water in 3.7? 20:17 it will impact them in the same way, the natural conclusion making faster navigation of dungeon levels less impressive, but ultimately the optimal speed levels will discourage that anyway because bad play forces a prompt and wastes time 20:17 all this just means that i will rule nhs for years with my 3 streaks woo 20:18 i stopped following it all. But there's no reason to be careful anymore 20:18 rebatela yes 20:18 so everyone can just slam the keyboard 20:18 Ooo, I have an excellent idea! 20:18 * docpi has just had an excellent idea 20:18 [EU] [D]: fragmites (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 281 points, 1106 turns, killed by a small mimic, while fainted from lack of food 20:19 * tinklebear likes the sound of an excellent idea 20:19 are you sure you want to walk into the mimic? 20:19 i like the sound "tinklebear" makes when i say it in my head 20:19 are you sure you want to do die? 20:19 :D 20:20 how you been tinklebear 20:20 hello aoei! 20:20 terrapin: by black dragon instadeaths, do you mean eating beyond satiated, or getting hit by the breath while not wearing any body armor or cloak? 20:20 [US] disperse (Arc Gno Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:28836 20:20 [US] disperse (Arc Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:28837 20:20 o.o a stack of two gray stones that are either touchstones or luckstones? :O 20:20 death by hitting an evilhack black dragon bare-handed 20:20 [US] stoicjin (Kni Hum Fem Law) had Grayswandir bestowed upon her by Lugh, on T:18043 20:20 they ain't flint? 20:20 [US] SkippitoFriskito (Bar Orc Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a square amulet on an altar, on T:3138 20:21 nope, not flint, I have flint identified (cavewoman) 20:21 YANI: "Option: Paranoid nethack play - This option asks you whether you really want to start a new game of nethack. This is a safety feature offering players to avoid wasting hours or even days playing a frustrating game which will leave them feeling sad, and empty inside, once they have died a senseless, unfair permadeath once more, while it was going so well for them." 20:21 (I have been okay, I think. But I'm not very good at telling) 20:21 touchstone is easy to ID 20:21 rub it on something iron 20:21 ah, touchstones 20:21 [US] disperse (Arc Gno Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:28854 20:21 how are things going aoei? 20:21 Maybe they can be 2 loadstone? 20:22 nope, kicked 'em first 20:22 they're touchstones, though 20:22 rebatela: 3.7 has paranoid water and there are still absolutely ways to die if you remove floating eyes and paranoid water 20:22 xdminsy, the double trouble of the common man? 20:22 you still can't ascend by just randomly slamming the keyboard 20:22 well, we should make all the ways to die options and you can turn them on if you like 20:22 Well then there are only 2 choice lol. 20:22 Noisytoot, ook? 20:22 I'm not sure, can those dwarves lift 2 loadstones? 20:22 [US] habib (Bar Orc Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:6174 20:23 at least the ways you tend to die. not the ways other people die. those are still fun 20:23 that exists and it's called exploremode 20:23 [EU] stenno (Ran Gno Mal Neu) killed Orcus, on T:24693 20:23 K2: re: typo deaths, I think they're OK locally but should be removed from a game designed to be played on public servers 20:23 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Pri Hum Fem Law), 5299 points, 4063 turns, killed by a giant spider 20:23 having to wait for a network roundtrip after every keypress is not fun, and you have to do that to avoid the same sort of thing that causes typo deaths 20:23 [EU] mobileuser (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:46311 20:23 [EU] mobileuser (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:46313 20:23 giant spiders are my nemesis 20:23 ais523 this isnt the 90's. braodband is alive and well 20:24 K2: even so, it's still common to get lag spikes of several seconds 20:24 ais523, that sounds like a "public embrarassment" flag for online server games. 20:24 um no not really 20:24 it's certainly the case for me 20:24 [US] SkippitoFriskito (Bar Orc Mal Cha) averted death (killed by a white unicorn), on T:3513 20:24 if you're getting a lag spike for several seconds, you need to switch isp providers or fix your local network 20:24 or both 20:24 not gonna argue it. peoople who barely play the game got it made easier, but its' not fair to the millions of deaths over the years where people just dealt with it and not only got over the frustration but became better players because of it 20:25 Ooo, YANI: A pillory for the three players who have scummed the most within a certain time period. 20:25 now you just go "oh shit i almost jhust died there" NO i don't want to die silly i'm just being careless 20:25 a lag spike that occurs on a regular basic that last for a second or longer is a serious problem 20:25 [US] disperse (Arc Gno Mal Neu) killed the invisible high priest of Moloch, on T:28963 20:25 makes it like every other video game with baby rules 20:25 *basis 20:25 [US] disperse (Arc Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:28972 20:25 are you sure?!? 20:25 No! I spent like 3 hours on this character! don't let me die! 20:25 i don't want to be better, i want to win :) 20:26 Throwing fruit, or eggs, at them abuses wisdom, and charisma, but exercises dexterity. 20:26 that's meeghan talk 20:26 these people will never ascend if they are always typoing into water 20:26 iI you don't like it, you can disable the option. 20:26 I used to typo into water most games and ascend anyway 20:26 i read that the first time you said it 20:26 and I responded. You are going to change the whole game if you make it like that 20:27 but, the typo deaths actually make the game *strategically* less interesting 20:27 [EU] pinball (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed the Dark One, on T:16565 20:27 it's just making the game easier 20:27 [EU] pinball (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:16566 20:27 i would probably enjoy variants a lot more if i wasn't trying to streak 20:27 there is a plausible choice between "cross water with levitation" and "walk through the swamp" with paranoid_liquid on 20:27 then learn not to typo? lol that's YOUR problem, not the games 20:27 [US] [D]: rvcx (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 16152 points, 13510 turns, killed by an air elemental (and 35 other games not reported) 20:27 with paranoid_liquid off this is not a sensible option because you have to play so incredibly slowly with the second option, it isn't any fun 20:27 I don't consider UI defects to be making the game actually harder, just more annoying 20:27 this discussion is getting ridiculous 20:27 I can do it, and have done it at /dev/null/nethack many times in the past for the valk quest 20:27 but it just isn't interesting 20:28 I brought a hostile kirin back to sokoban (changing the subject) 20:28 I guess I would summarise my point of view as "it is possible to gain the skill to avoid typo deaths, and it isn't even really that difficult, but it also isn't at all interesting and just slows down the game for no reason" 20:28 [US] stoicjin (Kni Hum Fem Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Lugh, on T:20244 20:28 and it is kicking my ass 20:28 Is pinball playing a permablind? 20:28 so i left it behind /forgot about it 20:28 I’m back whaddimiss 20:28 < Noisytoot> you still can't ascend by just randomly slamming the keyboard 20:28 [EU] stenno (Ran Gno Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:24844 20:28 not only is this incorrect, but an infinite number of monkeys randomly typing will ascend an infinite number of times 20:28 and now i have a TAME kirin also from the castle 20:28 [EU] stenno (Ran Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:24846 20:28 that i brought back to soko 20:29 ideally i would tame them both but i still don't have a whistle 20:29 hothraxxa: you can't ascend as reliably as someone not randomly slamming the keyboard 20:29 and it's a pita having pets no whistle no stethoscope 20:29 hothraxxa ok, please demonstrate an ascension by randomly slamming the keyboard :) 20:29 hothraxxa, Ook! 20:29 i concede that 20:29 paxed has been running a bot that essentially randomly slams the keyboard for a very long time now, looking for crash bugs 20:29 i don't know what to do 20:29 let the kirins fight? 20:29 I don't think it got anywhere close to ascending 20:29 i feel like i'm gonna die 20:30 slamming the keyboard asc - https://www.hardfought.org/phpBB3/gallery/image/1709/source 20:30 rebatela, welcome to nethack! 20:30 you can just make them fight I guess 20:30 [EU] Dictyostelium (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8123 20:30 somoene look at my game 20:30 right now 20:30 see but no whistle 20:30 Loggers i think that's possible. 20:30 (it did find quite a few bugs in the past, but they all got fixed and it stopped finding more) 20:30 or i would just tame the other one too 20:30 and i'd have a little party 20:30 rebatela, castle wand for whistle? 20:30 yesi literally just got the castle wand 20:30 I remember there're streaming about fishes finishing pokemon or dark souls? 20:30 so i'm going to wish for polymorph and hopefuilly solve all my problems 20:31 so yeah, wish for what you want. 20:31 wand is 0:2 ! 20:31 yeah 20:31 forgot i got the wand :) 20:31 xdminsy haha the fish leaked the streamer’s credit card information 20:31 (sounds like you want a magic whistle) 20:31 did you check the swapchest first? 20:31 Maybe somebody should try that with nethack :P 20:31 xdminsy: a very slightly weighted random number generator was able to finish Pokémon Red/Blue 20:31 I think qt put some magic whistles in 20:31 [EU] tromix (Bar Orc Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed greased +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:4495 20:31 there are only a couple of difficult parts, which would be trivial for humans 20:31 [US] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed spellbook of polymorph", on T:35234 20:31 I put lots of magic whistles in but maybe they are not on the same server or someone got them 20:31 mostly one-way ledges that you have to walk along rather than jump off 20:32 still need boh too 20:32 I’ll do a fish stream of NetHack if I can get some fish 20:32 no i haven't checked chest since mines end. 20:32 where are they again? 20:32 valley right? 20:32 Go fishing and let them play nethack. 20:32 rebatela: top-right corner of valley 20:32 this is farthest i've made it. have not been playing :( 20:32 heh maybe I will 20:32 I haven’t done any fishing in forever 20:33 right thankse. i will hopefully get one from polypiling . i have some unihorns. need boh too 20:33 Meh mee too. 20:33 [US] GrmlyFndsh (Pri Hum Mal Law) entered the Planes, on T:91387 20:34 [US] spazm (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:36505 20:34 $where Doktorl 20:34 [US] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:35289 20:34 $whereis Doktorl 20:34 xdminsy: [EU] DoktorL : (Hea Gno Mal Neu) T:4921 The Dungeons of Doom level: 10 20:34 holy mines full of touchstones 20:34 nice got my boh first zap 20:34 and stethoscope 20:35 \o/ 20:35 [EU] [D]: ais523 (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 104 points, 322 turns, killed by a jackal 20:35 …although really it was a beartrap that killed me 20:36 [US] a1 (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:41766 20:37 [EU] xororand (Pri Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (arch-lich), on T:4776 20:37 [EU] elenmirie (Hea Gno Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:1953 20:38 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Pri Hum Fem Law), 478 points, 1484 turns, killed by a water moccasin 20:39 and whistle lol. i had this crap ready to go 20:40 [US] Qwesti (Arc Dwa Mal Law) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:874 20:40 dang wand shop had 3 wands, and two were mimics :c 20:42 -!- Waffa1 has joined #tnnt 20:42 [US] [D]: Kewl (Kni Hum Mal Law), 169 points, 557 turns, killed by a djinni 20:43 -!- Waffa has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:44 if you have a ring of protection from shape changers, and your discoveries list lacks significant items, shop mimics can be quite useful 20:44 [US] disperse (Arc Gno Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:30641 20:44 [US] peterg (Arc Gno Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:37436 20:44 [US] peterg (Arc Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:37438 20:44 -!- spontiff has joined #tnnt 20:45 [US] disperse (Arc Gno Mal Neu) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:30654 20:45 how so? 20:45 [EU] mobileuser (Val Hum Fem Neu) entered the Planes, on T:47786 20:46 -!- Waffa has joined #tnnt 20:46 [EU] stenno (Ran Gno Mal Neu) wished for "magic marker", on T:25721 20:46 -!- Waffa1 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:47 exercise for the reader, anselmus :D 20:48 [US] allanb (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:45910 20:48 [US] allanb (Rog Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:45923 20:48 -!- Nesta has joined #tnnt 20:49 -!- Waffa1 has joined #tnnt 20:50 -!- Waffa has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:50 -!- Waffa1 is now known as Waffa 20:51 [US] klepto (Ran Elf Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (class h), on T:35619 20:52 [US] allanb (Rog Orc Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:46224 20:52 [US] [A]: GrmlyFndsh (Pri Hum Mal Law), 4031824 points, 91802 turns, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/G/GrmlyFndsh/tnnt/dumplog/1699198625.tnnt.html 20:52 grats 20:52 [US] [D]: Kewl (Kni Hum Mal Law), 689 points, 1341 turns, killed by a gnome 20:52 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:52 grats GrmlyFndsh. 20:52 you keep putting on and taking off the ring and then use the price of the mimic’d item to ID stuff? 20:53 ok witches, its nethacking time 20:53 [US] allanb (Rog Orc Mal Cha) genocided class h, on T:46237 20:53 do i elf priest again 20:53 hm am I brave enough to attack a floating eye to figure out if my amulet is reflection? probably not... 20:53 [US] spazm (Tou Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:37343 20:54 [US] spazm (Tou Hum Mal Neu) genocided class h, on T:37345 20:54 GrmlyFndsh: You never allowed a Rider to die. 20:54 gogo aoei! 20:54 anselmus: safe, babe 20:54 Either way, karafruit, you will be suffering from frozen man syndrome. :) 20:54 [EU] ais523 (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed fixed greased +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:2174 20:55 good luck, aoei! 20:55 [US] Nesta (Bar Orc Fem Cha) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Set, on T:6118 20:55 [US] disperse (Arc Gno Mal Neu) killed Death, on T:30941 20:56 (and congrats GrmlyFndsh, who has a great username) 20:56 [US] DekaFumoPuzzle (Bar Hum Mal Cha) killed the invisible Yeenoghu, on T:36725 20:56 revenge 20:56 [EU] spontiff (Hea Gno Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a succubus, on T:5305 20:56 "Grimly Fiendish, plays the game that never pays..." 20:57 [US] disperse (Arc Gno Mal Neu) wished for "blessed magic flute", on T:30946 20:57 hm, so neither of my amulets are reflection, good to know... *takes notes* 20:57 [EU] elenmirie (Hea Gno Fem Neu) became literate by reading a book, on T:4386 20:57 [US] disperse (Arc Gno Mal Neu) wished for "cursed figurine of a python", on T:30946 20:58 Disperse trying to get drowned? 20:59 [EU] Kontroller (Bar Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:22502 21:00 Hourly Stats at 2023-11-18 21:00 UTC: Games: 15, Asc: 1, Scum: 1. 133841 turns, 4068388 points. (64%Mal), 12d 02:59 remaining. 21:00 wow, this shop had random magic lamp (cursed, but still) and *also* uncursed +2 speed boots 21:00 [US] stoicjin (Kni Hum Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class h), on T:22402 21:00 [US] DekaFumoPuzzle (Bar Hum Mal Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:36962 21:00 [US] [A]: disperse (Arc Gno Mal Neu), 1263608 points, 30954 turns, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/d/disperse/tnnt/dumplog/1699987500.tnnt.html 21:00 [US] WizardOfPoland (Pri Hum Fem Law) removed DekaFumoPuzzle's amulet of life saving from the swap chest, on T:18192 21:01 gg 21:01 lucky 21:01 -!- Umbire has joined #tnnt 21:02 I was trying to pacify a snake with a magic flute but it didn't work for some reason. 21:02 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:02 pacifying snakes you want wooden flute I think, not magic 21:02 magic flute will put things to sleep 21:03 -!- Umbire has joined #tnnt 21:03 woah, store with a +1 boomerang (and another boomerang) and a +1 silver saber (and two other silver sabers) :O 21:03 @disperse (he/him) That interaction only works on normal wooden flutes, I think. Magic ones just put them to sleep. 21:03 [US] stoicjin (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:22717 21:03 [US] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:21961 21:03 [EU] spontiff (Hea Gno Mal Neu) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:5902 21:05 [US] [D]: anselmus (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 8254 points, 6446 turns, killed by a priestess of Anhur 21:06 not even going to get 5 ascs at this rate 21:07 [US] [D]: Qwesti (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 415 points, 1008 turns, killed by a watchman 21:07 [US] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a small glob of gray ooze, on T:3275 21:07 Ahhhhhh 21:08 [US] Kewl (Kni Hum Mal Law) received Excalibur, on T:2083 21:08 I thought magic flute, didn't realize it needed a wooden flute. 21:08 [US] charlie14690 (Arc Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:49882 21:09 a magic flute acts like a wooden flute if you empty it 21:09 [US] [D]: docpi (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 3319 points, 3911 turns, killed by a rope golem 21:10 Yes, I meant to cast a spell, but missed the Z key. 21:10 [US] stoicjin (Kni Hum Fem Law) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:23771 21:10 -!- kewldewd has joined #tnnt 21:10 [US] efot (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:16475 21:10 klepto, it would be unwise emptying a magic flute just to get the equivalent of a wooden flute, though. 21:11 I mean, not if you're literally on the high altar 21:11 I actually did that, unintentionally while trying to get the achievement on the high altar 21:11 woah this shop also has a stack of 11 +2 shuriken? 21:11 unwise? yes. but an achievement is an achievement 21:11 The floot goes toot 21:11 doot de-doot 21:11 Still didn't get the achievement, probably because the snake was asleep 21:12 [US] efot (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) removed wispofvapor's blessed greased bag of holding from the swap chest, on T:16762 21:12 yeah, you can hit it softly with like a lamp or something to wake it up 21:13 you'll get it next time 21:13 [US] tjw (Cav Dwa Fem Law) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3168 21:13 -!- oh6 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:14 [EU] mobileuser (Val Hum Fem Neu) genocided class ;, on T:47943 21:15 underestimated the dmg of a frost horn 21:15 [US] hothraxxa (Hea Hum Fem Neu) became literate by engraving "test", on T:4020 21:15 -!- wop has joined #tnnt 21:15 uhh... an ad aerarium teleport trap just teleported me to a normal room 21:15 [US] [D]: Nesta (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 6783 points, 6986 turns, killed by a bolt of cold 21:16 @Terrapin What level did you find the trap on? It could have been a level teleport trap if you were deep enough. 21:16 nope, definitely a teleport trap---i checked 21:16 terrapin: maybe the vault is occupied? (this has happened to me too, and I did not discover the reason) 21:16 [US] stoicjin (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed rustproof +2 gauntlets of power", on T:24298 21:16 ooh yeah could be 21:17 or ludios portal maybe 21:17 [EU] xororand (Pri Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:10504 21:17 yep, portal 21:17 cool 21:19 i should order a pizza 21:19 can I have one too 21:19 but you should 21:19 :) 21:19 [US] [D]: Spider74656 (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 1059 points, 3211 turns, killed by a gnome 21:20 shouldn't you have gotten that before the beer 21:20 anselmus: dont you tell me what i shouldnt have 21:20 if the point is beer after pizza I think the solution is eazy 21:20 get another beer 21:20 -!- nurdglaw has joined #tnnt 21:21 "If one of the squares in the vault is occupied by a monster or a trap (including the portal to Fort Ludios) or is otherwise unsafe, the vault teleport may fail, in which case the trap will act as an ordinary teleport trap, albeit single-use." 21:22 cbus: yes 21:22 lag going to kill me yet again 21:22 [US] DekaFumoPuzzle (Bar Hum Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:37971 21:23 [EU] tromix (Bar Orc Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:9564 21:23 cbus: i can actually order an additional beer WITH the pizza 21:23 :3 21:23 [US] DekaFumoPuzzle (Bar Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:37985 21:23 [US] GrmlyFndsh (Pri Elf Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3150 21:23 god damn, your country rocks 21:23 Germany ftw 21:24 [US] DekaFumoPuzzle (Bar Hum Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:38004 21:24 [EU] mobileuser (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +2 jumping boots", on T:48043 21:24 oh germany wow 21:24 (its also overpriced as fuck ordering the beer with the pizza, but saves me another trip to the kiosk :b= 21:24 ) 21:24 but kiosk means snacks 21:24 \o/ 21:24 I can do that in Arizona too 21:25 [US] Furey (Hea Gno Mal Neu) became Hermes' Envoy of Balance, on T:52250 21:25 does beer actually go with pizza? (I can't drink the stuff, so I truly don't know.) I drink cola with it, or sometimes root beer. 21:25 beer & wine delivery with food orders 21:25 beer...from a kiosk? 21:25 [US] jientho (Hea Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:8142 21:25 [EU] Dictyostelium (Val Hum Fem Law) destroyed Bean's ghost, the former Adept, on T:9743 21:25 well, either straight from the restaurant of from a store between the restaurant and the destination. 21:26 [US] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law) tasted meat (killer bee) for the first time, on T:3673 21:26 anselmus: in germany kiosks are where you get your beer and cigs 21:26 I can also order all kinds of cannabis products 21:26 [EU] DoktorL (Hea Gno Mal Neu) made his first wish - "holy greased +1 gray dragon scale mail named Im not even taking chances on +2 Im so done just let me win already", on T:6698 21:26 in us kiosk means vending machine 21:27 or are we talking a street vendor 21:27 "small convenience store" 21:27 pretty much 21:27 [EU] mobileuser (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Pestilence, on T:48066 21:27 I've never heard it used in that sense here, so. 21:27 [US] [D]: nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 318 points, 763 turns, killed by a little dog 21:27 it's weird that marijuana delivery is legal here but cigarette delivery is not. 21:28 [US] [D]: tjw (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 2631 points, 3497 turns, killed by a horse, while praying 21:28 do you have gun delivery? 21:28 [US] jmcunx (Sam Hum Fem Law) found kitten, on T:4077 21:28 we probably do have gun delivery! 21:28 oh boomerangs don't return if they hit a monster? sad :( 21:28 they know smokers will come get it 21:28 I wouldn't know, not my thing (too noisy) 21:28 [US] DekaFumoPuzzle (Bar Hum Mal Cha) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:38208 21:29 [US] DekaFumoPuzzle (Bar Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:38209 21:29 Yeah no, they don't 21:29 Boomerangs are best used in stacks 21:29 [US] stoicjin (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Croesus, on T:25264 21:29 [US] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:24895 21:29 They're not actually a bad weapon per se, just unorthodox as all hell 21:29 [EU] Dictyostelium (Val Hum Fem Law) destroyed spontiff's ghost, the former Rhizotomist, on T:9831 21:30 not to mention chakram in hackem :P 21:30 well I only have two, and one of them is +2 and the other is +0. I'll work on finding more :P 21:30 and far as people and projectile choices go, if it ain't broke 21:30 [US] kewldewd (Bar Orc Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:9684 21:30 "if it aint broke get a backup" 21:31 [US] charlie14690 (Arc Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:50489 21:31 Hackem has a chakram? Cool! Somebody must've watched Xena. 21:31 [EU] elenmirie (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed the Oracle, on T:5524 21:31 I think it was taken from splice 21:31 to give proper credit 21:31 or another variant at least 21:31 [EU] ansic (Pri Elf Fem Cha) wished for "magic marker", on T:34987 21:31 Oh I meant the TV show. 21:31 but yeah it does have them unless hackemslashem removed them after last time I saw one :D 21:32 I believe dnh also has chakram but yes, Hack'EM implementation was from Splice. 21:32 [US] [D]: Nesta (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 340 points, 462 turns, killed by a hill orc called Ulaul of Grisarukai 21:32 [EU] [A]: mobileuser (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1925498 points, 48089 turns, ascended 21:32 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/m/mobileuser/tnnt/dumplog/1699953346.tnnt.html 21:32 mobileuser, grats! 21:32 gg mobileuser! 21:32 gg 21:33 [US] [D]: jmcunx (Sam Hum Fem Law), 2294 points, 4443 turns, killed by a gray unicorn 21:33 thanks all! 21:33 gg 21:33 grats 21:33 mobileuser, thats a streak of 3 right? 21:33 4-streak 21:33 ooh 21:33 [US] klepto (Ran Elf Fem Cha) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:39733 21:33 great work 21:33 100% 21:33 mobileuser do you play on mobile? 21:33 wowzers! 21:33 my last asc seems so long ago 21:34 anselmus, mine too 21:34 :D 21:34 slowly catching up to xdminsy :-) 21:34 Nesta I used too 21:34 mine was so easy it gave me a false sense of confidence 21:34 [US] stoicjin (Kni Hum Fem Law) genocided class L, on T:25860 21:34 haven't gotten anywhere since then 21:34 [US] allanb (Rog Orc Mal Cha) averted death (petrified by a storm giant), on T:47205 21:35 [EU] [D]: spontiff (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 1450 points, 7862 turns, killed by a jaguar 21:35 yes how dare you have hoped for something 21:35 [US] [D]: allanb (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 1658965 points, 47210 turns, petrified by a storm giant 21:35 ^ ehh wow 21:35 !lastgame 21:35 I didn't realize any variant other than UnNetHack was playable on a mobile device. 21:36 My goals for this tourney were to asc an elf ranger (done) and and elf wizard (responisble for a lot of COMRs in a lot of bones you're welcome) 21:36 [US] jientho (Hea Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:8143 21:36 I started with iNethack, default user was "Mobile User" :-P 21:36 rld I've played nao on a mobile ssh client 21:36 it's fun for a few hundred turns then gets overly tedious 21:36 [EU] [D]: theWeaver (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 1501 points, 2036 turns, killed by a rothe (and one other game not reported) 21:36 dangit 21:36 [EU] [D]: xororand (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 47304 points, 14415 turns, killed by a death ray 21:37 [EU] DoktorL (Hea Gno Mal Neu) murdered his faithful large cat, on T:7067 21:37 [EU] DoktorL (Hea Gno Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:7067 21:37 mobileuser, do you still play inethack? 21:37 I can't play this game without the exact keyboard, display, desk/chair orientation exactly how I need it :-) 21:37 -!- spontiff has quit [Quit: spontiff] 21:37 sometimes, on a long journey 21:37 but online is a lot more fun :-) 21:37 aha. I'm not an Apple user, so I hadn't heard of that variant. 21:38 Spider, it is quite fun. Also, nice tilesets 21:38 $lastgame allanb 21:38 Arseniy: [US] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/a/allanb/tnnt/dumplog/1700176079.tnnt.html 21:39 UnNetHack is kinda fun, w/several tilesets, but I find a real keyboard far easier to play with. 21:39 when this game get's serious there's as much muscle memory to it as any video game controller setup would be 21:40 playing on a phone would probably make me carsick 21:40 That would probably be different if I didn't start playing roguelikes a millennium ago 21:40 also puts your passengers at risk 21:40 I am pretty sure gnollhack is also mobile friendly 21:40 And has an actual app 21:40 playing on a phone would make me frustrated over how slow and tedious it would be 21:40 Heh, Nesta. 21:40 that said I dont play at all on my phone 21:40 cbus: yes. that's one of the problems. 21:41 There's a truck driver in my Clashoclans clan who I KNOW plays clash while driving 21:41 -!- kewldewd has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:41 that 21:41 's terrifying. 21:42 [EU] AlbertB (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:60791 21:42 [US] stoicjin (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Ixoth, on T:26617 21:42 [US] stoicjin (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:26618 21:42 that's why he's stuck driving trucks 21:43 playing games while driving a vehicle of that mass? Yikes! and Double-Yikes! 21:43 apparently it's a real wealth-generating job for some, subsistence income for others. Feast or famine, the transport business can be. 21:43 true. 21:43 Yeah, trucking is a hell of an occupation. 21:44 I legit just wouldn't play mobile games while doing so, that's the extent of my "judgment". 21:44 [US] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) genocided class L, on T:26987 21:44 but yes very scary and there's probably as many freight lorry drivers texting and driving as any other group. 21:45 the real problem with adding paranoid "options" is it makes any realtime speed records today meanginless. You can't possibly compare to people who couldn't or choose not to play carefree 21:45 it's just that I know they're on the road because they say so in clan chat, and it's obvious how continuously they raid, so definitely playing while on the road :/ 21:46 Nesta, sheesh lmao 21:46 just makes it a different game. Obviously it's an "option' but there used to be some skill in playing fast AND not hitting the wrong key 21:46 [US] [D]: mindcool (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 425 points, 995 turns, killed by a gnome lord 21:46 [US] klepto (Ran Elf Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:40184 21:46 [EU] [D]: ais523 (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 7826 points, 5465 turns, killed by a flaming sphere 21:46 there's been a number of accidents due to train operators not paying attention too 21:47 $lastgame ais523 21:47 ais523: [EU] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/a/ais523/tnnt/dumplog/1700339717.tnnt.html 21:47 changing it because of someone's playstyle and then they start breaking records. it seems kinda dumb to me wheh there's been thousands of typo mistakes over the years that would be totally different 21:47 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 21:47 [US] DekaFumoPuzzle (Bar Hum Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:39750 21:47 rebatela: you're acting as if the way the game was before is necessarily the correct way, rather than the way the game is now 21:47 [US] DekaFumoPuzzle (Bar Hum Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:39751 21:47 [US] [D]: GrmlyFndsh (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 2703 points, 5972 turns, killed by a dart 21:47 from many people's point of views, all those thousands of typo mistakes over the years were dumb and should be eliminated in the future, improving the game 21:48 Damn, did you have the wand of cancellation ID'd? 21:48 Any situation that's 99.44% boredom and 0.56% abject terror is gonna have that risk 21:48 [US] a1 (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Baalzebub, on T:43192 21:48 Umbire: no 21:48 otherwise I would have used it 21:48 maybe I should have used it anyway, teleport and cancel are both god outcomes 21:49 * good outcomes 21:49 but I wasn't expecting the flamign sphere to oneshot me 21:49 my HP wasn't *that* low 21:49 hol' up, there's a way to make the game coddle you from your typos? 21:49 [EU] AlbertB (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) removed oh6's 2 blessed potions of gain ability from the swap chest, on T:60901 21:49 If I make it 10K turns the only things that ever kill me are unforced errors! 21:49 Nesta: paranoid_confirmation stops some number of typos but not all of them 21:49 -!- wop has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:49 paranoid swim ftw 21:50 the food appraisal intrinsic also helps prevent typoed eating of cockatrices 21:50 What WAS your HP when that flaming sphere got you 21:50 ais523, which is funny because people consider food detection useless ordinarily 21:50 Umbire: I'm not sure offhand, would have to check the ttyrec, which is hard because none of the ttyrec players handle my games well 21:50 it is useless for everything but that one specific thing 21:50 Most of my deaths start with me getting upset about a nymph stealing something trivial and going into a super fast (real time) mode 21:51 in AceHack I just give everyone most of food appraisal all the time (if you have the intrinsic it is more accurate at knowing whether corpses are too old) 21:51 I like it for catching out when I've forgotten the age of a corpse 21:51 $ttyrec ais523 21:51 ais523: https://www.hardfought.org/nethack/ttyrecs 21:51 Or if I've grown attached to a pet in the early game and it dies, I start playing jenkins mode in his or her honor. 21:51 what's a forced error, being s-faced? 21:52 There's a few instadeaths that'll kill anyone regardless of their skill or preparation 21:52 It's when I lean over and press random keys on your keyboard as you're playing, anselmus 21:52 [EU] stenno (Ran Gno Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:26238 21:52 To prank you 21:52 [EU] stenno (Ran Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:26242 21:52 Pranked! 21:52 [US] spazm (Tou Hum Mal Neu) genocided disenchanter, on T:41183 21:52 [EU] pinball (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:18579 21:53 On that note, I'm off for a nice, safe nap (recovering from having a tooth removed). See you all later tonight! 21:53 [US] [D]: mindcool (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 638 points, 1012 turns, killed by an imp 21:53 Go stenno! 21:53 Later Spider! 21:53 going! 21:53 the first guy who asked if they could change the rules because they kept falling in the water got laughed right out of Dodge/Yendor, but alas it's 2023 21:53 My cat does that to me pretty often. I have a cat who plays fetch, first time I've ever seen a cat who would retrieve a ball and drop it in your hand. But if you neglect to play, she will bring it to you in the most convenient spot: your keyboard. yay. 21:53 Spider74656 hope your tooth (or lack thereof) feels better 21:53 qt: good premise for nerd horror movie 21:53 [EU] stenno (Ran Gno Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:26249 21:53 [US] DekaFumoPuzzle (Bar Hum Mal Cha) genocided class ;, on T:39990 21:54 "o hai, i see you're looking at the glowy spot mashing the cliky things, here's the mouse u throw it nao" 21:54 I had 17 HP 21:54 (just checked) 21:54 She hasn't killed me in a tournament game yet, but she has chatted with you here a few times 21:54 based start magic marker 21:54 and a flaming sphere does 4d6 21:54 So about... 1/4 to die there. Fairly unlucky 21:54 no, less I think 21:55 but i don't LIKE when i fall in the water! :( 21:55 Slightly more probably, I'm not mathing hard. 21:55 can't you make it ask?!? 21:55 fwiw, falling into the water due to a typo when unimpaired is not realistic – the character can see the water 21:55 and won't enter it unless intending to 21:55 Thanks! it's improving, but the swelling needs to go down. Warm blankets (bed) + ice pack is a weird combination, but I need my face to look normal by T-day. 21:56 Also reba we've done this song and dance before and I'm... genuinely baffled as to the sudden derailing of the ongoing convo, but things change and games evolve whether we agree with them or not. 's not like the game is measurably less difficult for it (and it's literally harder in several other aspects). 21:56 just temporary bouts of suicidal behavior, as one does 21:56 [EU] elenmirie (Hea Gno Fem Neu) made her first artifact wish - "blessed fixed +3 Grayswandir", on T:8451 21:56 elenmirie_, I imagine that answers the saber/unihorn question! 21:57 uh-huh! 21:57 You have one or both of reflection/MR? 21:57 MR 21:57 there should just be a * next to the score/time (*- player slams the keys and falls in the water often) 21:57 24% chance that 4d6 will roll at least 17 21:58 [US] DekaFumoPuzzle (Bar Hum Mal Cha) killed Pestilence, on T:40112 21:58 Ah, closer than I thought. 21:58 I'd be fine with that. But then you're essentially playing a different game. "Are you SURE you want to make the mistake?" 21:58 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 21:58 Dog, we've been playing a different game with every version update, practically. 21:58 rebatela: what we're trying to address is a disconnect between the choices that the player makes and the keys that they press 21:58 if the situation were "the player decides to send the character into water, the game asks if they're sure" you would have a point 21:58 [EU] stenno (Ran Gno Mal Neu) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:26390 21:58 [EU] stenno (Ran Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:26392 21:59 stenno: pog 21:59 Didn't move me then, doesn't move me now. Asterisks for something like that just seems silly. 21:59 but the situation is more usually "the player does not decide to send the character into water, but their hands are on the wrong place on the keyboard / they double-tap rather than single-tapping a key / there is a network lag spike" 21:59 and the character moves into water anyway 21:59 that's the players problem ais523 21:59 priests are roflstomping me 21:59 I #adjust uneatable items onto y, n, and e when playing NetHack – the y and n are to defend against thinkos, but the e is to defend against an accidental double-tap 22:00 Hourly Stats at 2023-11-18 22:00 UTC: Games: 23, Asc: 1, Scum: 5. 2d 06:12 gametime. (17%Pri), 12d 01:59 remaining. 22:00 stenno, how bad we talking? 22:00 [US] DekaFumoPuzzle (Bar Hum Mal Cha) killed Pestilence (5 times), on T:40182 22:00 K2: why should it be the player's problem? 22:00 [EU] [D]: Noisytoot (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 1214 points, 2804 turns, killed by a jaguar, while fainted from lack of food 22:00 [EU] [D]: tromix (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 37216 points, 13099 turns, petrified by a cockatrice corpse 22:00 if you don't pose that problem, but otherwise leave the game the same, the game is more fun 22:00 so it's a problem that exist for no good reason 22:00 [US] DekaFumoPuzzle (Bar Hum Mal Cha) killed Death, on T:40202 22:01 i liked how there were/are variants that addressed it 22:01 How crazy do you have to be to want to make this game HARDER than it already is??? 22:01 AceHack and NH4 are both very aggressive about removing typo deaths 22:01 if you wanted to play a different game that was a little more forgiving, and not so rutheless 22:01 [US] [D]: karibou (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 1596 points, 2481 turns, killed by a wererat 22:01 and you could slam the keys around without having to worry about being careful 22:02 well stepping in water is hardly fatal, annoying but not fatal 22:02 rebatela: NetHack is actually very forgiving of most gameplay mistakes, just not typos for some reason 22:02 ais523: "the player does not decide to send the character into water, but their hands are on the wrong place on the keyboard / they double-tap rather than single-tapping a key / there is a network lag spike" <--- how is that NOT the players problem? lol seriously 22:02 [US] klepto (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed Scorpius, on T:41516 22:02 [US] klepto (Ran Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:41517 22:02 but now there's no option to force the people you are playing with /comparingj scores/times with to play the hard game that used to exist lol 22:02 K2: well, if you decide to make it a problem, then it's a problem – but it's a problem that's easily fixable and doesn't add to the game 22:02 it's all getting tamed down 22:02 we're just gping to have to agree to disagree I suppose 22:02 avoiding the problem is mostly about pressing keys more slowly 22:02 rebatela, that's very distinctly untrue considering there's still everything else in the dungeon trying to kill you. 22:02 which is not fun 22:02 *going 22:02 even "evil" hack, no offense k2. has paranoid water and it's lame imo 22:03 imagine if you were playing NetHack but lost 3 HP every time you pressed a key within 0.4 seconds of pressing another key 22:03 would that make the game better? 22:03 ais523 it is easily fixable - by the player 22:03 it adds a new obstacle to overcome 22:03 well maybe we can make all the things in the dungeon prompt you umbire 22:03 i don't get that argument at all 22:03 [US] [A]: DekaFumoPuzzle (Bar Hum Mal Cha), 2796068 points, 40236 turns, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/D/DekaFumoPuzzle/tnnt/dumplog/1700030252.tnnt.html 22:03 the game used to be hard 22:03 K2: the fix might be easy but it is annoying and no fun 22:03 gg 22:03 ais523 abuse constitution if you play too quickly? 22:03 what? to disciple oneself? 22:03 rebatela: 3.6 is *substantially* harder than 3.4 is 22:03 Because it's not the argument being made, and the game is still very much difficult. 22:03 K2: to slow down 22:03 *discipline 22:03 you don't get as much gameplay in a given length of time 22:03 As someone who didn't exactly warm to paranoid_water at first, casting it as a symptom of a game being "babyfied" is rooted in an incredibly disingenuous slippery slope fallacy. 22:03 oh my 22:03 yeah i was gonna say, 3.6 is way meaner than 3.4.3 22:04 but 3.7 is also harder than 3.6 22:04 -!- phinxy has joined #tnnt 22:04 and 3.7 is the offending version 22:04 [US] a1 (Kni Hum Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:43861 22:04 [US] a1 (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:43862 22:04 And also just, demonstrably untrue besides. 22:04 that has paranoid swim :D 22:04 cbus: I am not sure about that 22:04 it is harder for valk, but I think it's easier for most roles 22:04 [US] terrapin (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:25631 22:04 3.6 only got a LOT harder if you relied on elbereth 22:04 I dont agree 22:04 and a LOT of people did/do 22:04 How do I get my steed over "lake medusa"? 22:04 I think the danger of water, the risk associated with moving next to it, adds greatly to the suspense i feel while traversing Juiblex's swamp 22:04 rebatela: it is substantially harder even if not relying on elbereth 22:05 Which is true, but there are elements unrelated to that what made it more difficult, e.g. speed system. 22:05 I think it adds quit a bit to the game, ais523 22:05 tinklebear: you mean you don't just levitate? 22:05 K2: how do you feel about replacing tnnt with junethack 2 22:05 I had 2 friends who teamed up and beat 1.0.3d or whatever in 1988. They had every kind of spoiler you could get in those days, and I know they didn't savescum because they did it on my computer. I wouldn't believe it otherwise. 22:05 I ride a horse, play knight almost all the time 22:05 I dont agree on 3.7 being easier that is I find 3.7 harder than 3.6 22:05 [US] stoicjin (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed wand of polymorph", on T:29319 22:05 and some people REALLY took offense to the statues looking like the monster for a turn or whatever instead of a ` 22:05 and I usually drown the horse at least once per game 22:05 about 3.4 I am not sure :) 22:05 has this conversation really been going on for 2 hours? 22:05 cbus: what specically do you think makes it harder? 22:05 unihorn nerf 22:05 that made it a lot tougher. those monster statues just jump out of nowhere 22:05 rebatela: I take offence to that because it forces me to farlook more often 22:05 I am very annoyed at, e.g., coyotes and jackals looking the same in vanilla 22:06 it's a great change ais523 22:06 (the statues) 22:06 it is not fun to have to farlook every jackal just in case it'sa coyote 22:06 that's the point 22:06 you think it's real 22:06 Noisytoot I kinda think of this as an ongoing convo that's been running since FIDOnet in the 80s :-) 22:06 it's a statue afterall 22:06 I would not mind the change if it were possible to tell statues and monsters apart without a farlook 22:06 rebatela: when's the last time you confused a statue of a person for a real person in real life? 22:06 [US] [D]: karibou (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 83 points, 494 turns, killed by a jackal, while unconscious from rotten food 22:06 i loved that change 22:06 ais523, I think your idea of fun does not align with how a roguelike is meant to be played 22:06 the last time i was in a dungeon as a weaponless monk! 22:06 dafuq 22:07 K2: I think your idea of how a roguelike is meant to be played does not align with how roguelikes are actually meant to be played 22:07 ais523: a statue seen from 100 meters away in the dark? 22:07 hah 22:07 its spot on actually 22:07 you're supposed to go "HOLY SHIT IT'S A COYOTE! NO IT'S a jackal i thinK!" 22:07 It's hard to really say if 3.7 at the moment is harder than 3.6.X, given that it's still changing even now, but I do feel the change to sphere explosions is a point of difficulty that the former has "over" the latter. 22:07 the statues are dumb, period 22:07 [US] stoicjin (Kni Hum Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:29384 22:07 "Oh shit. it's not A STATUE IT'S REAL!!" 22:07 rebatela: in that case, remove farlook 22:07 * Nesta played rogue before there were roguelikes 22:07 get the daggers out! 22:07 Umbire: I'll buy that, potentially 22:07 [EU] stenno (Ran Gno Mal Neu) killed Yeenoghu, on T:26966 22:07 * Nesta contradicts himself and claims Temple of Apshai was a roguelike 22:07 although 3.7 also has better solutions than 3.6 does to nonreflectable elemental attacks 22:08 * rebatela played rogue in the early 80s 22:08 Well, it's hard for me to say, rather. 22:08 and they are mostly past the difficulty spike and thus don't really matter 22:08 mid 80s i guess 22:08 you can't farlook as a free action in real life 22:08 Noisytoot: you pretty much can, people observe their surroundings all the time 22:08 farlooking isn't a case of "looking intently to see what something is" 22:09 it's a case of having the game tell you something that your character should be able to tell immediately, but the game view isn't high-enough detail to be able to make it out when playing in ASCII 22:09 [US] [D]: DekaFumoPuzzle (Val Hum Fem Neu), 300 points, 371 turns, killed by a dwarf 22:09 (coyotes and jackals have looked different in tiles for pretty much ages, for example) 22:09 The roguelike model is fun in part because it's both a precise and an abstract thing. Some aspects of the world are represented in seconds, and others are just giving the character a vague notion of what events happen before which. 22:10 [US] [D]: mindcool (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 1139 points, 1532 turns, killed by a rothe 22:10 the early versions of Hack didn't have farlook at all 22:10 just a / command which would let you know what a particular letter represented 22:10 e.g. /d would tell you that d was a dog 22:10 I just avoid subscribing to prescriptivist views of what something "should" be as a rule. Not a hard rule, mind, but a rule nonetheless. 22:10 the map was meant to contain all the information you needed to know 22:11 but, with more monsters added, 52 letters was not enough, so then the game started adding things like color 22:11 i remember when hack came out we were dying laughing at the whole pet concept (rogue didn't have pets) 22:11 but, even that isn't enough for all NetHack's monsters 22:11 [US] a1 (Kni Hum Fem Law) murdered her faithful large dog, on T:44063 22:11 [EU] pinball (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:19044 22:11 so you can either use the NetHack approach of having to farlook a lot, or else just guessing 22:12 i far look everything 22:12 The placement of statues seems to be weighted in a somewhat predictable way, so your player instinct should be able to guess which monsters are statues. Then when you internalize the pattern, BAM, it'll hit you with a monster you were SURE was a statue 22:12 or the NH4 approach of using color, background, underlining, etc. to try to make all the possibilities distinct 22:12 actually you don't really need to farlook statues because it's obvious they're not moving 22:12 [EU] stenno (Ran Gno Mal Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 3 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:27208 22:12 ais523: rebatela is saying that you shouldn't be sure if it's a coyote or a jackal. if that's the case, you shouldn't be able to farlook to distinguish them either. 22:12 anselmus: only if you observe them for multiple turns 22:12 i look at items before i bother going to the square (if it's not something i'm interested in i skip entirely) 22:12 saves turns and avoids traps 22:12 based as FUCK 22:12 anselmus that'll trip you up when the statue is a slow or sessile monster. 22:12 learnt sleep *sunglasses* 22:13 in this game there was a goblin that I couldn't tell if it was a statue or not (without farlooking) because it wasn't moving 22:13 I similarly prefer discussions of difficulty in NetHack as a "sum of its parts and more" rather than solely "how I play the game versus how others do" or assigning value judgments thereof. 22:13 turns out it was a goblin and was just slow 22:13 but the ambiguity didn't matter because, well, goblin 22:13 if they're slow you wouldn't worry about them anyway 22:13 [EU] pinball (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 8 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:19065 22:13 I say I play a perfectly executed game with extreme caution, what I actually do is play a super careless, super lazy, berserk game of wishful thinking 22:13 I play recklessly and carelessly because I think the game is more fun that way 22:14 there is a point in the game past which you have obviously won, and just need to go through the motions 22:14 instead of farlooking you would just take the next step into the room which you would've had to do anyway 22:14 and I find the game more fun if I can play sloppily enough that that point is on the high altar 22:14 Most of you are way better players than me, and I wonder if you agree, you know enough about the game internals and the probabilities of various things, you know "what really happens" despite all that, and there's probably a consensus on "what is the right move" at any given turn. 22:15 I guess my viewpoint on the statues is that I kind-of like the flavour, but they should really be distinguishable from monsters without having to farlook 22:15 [EU] stenno (Ran Gno Mal Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 5 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:27420 22:15 Nesta: several days ago we were collectively helping someone through Astral on their second-ever ascension 22:15 [US] stoicjin (Kni Hum Fem Law) genocided class R, on T:29560 22:15 [US] stoicjin (Kni Hum Fem Law) genocided class ;, on T:29560 22:15 UnNetHack underlines statues, if I recall correctly. 22:15 in early game i prefer statues because it saves combat 22:15 ais523: I was proud to be part of that ! 22:15 and they were being incredibly thorough on asking about every move and trying to make sure there was a consensus on every move 22:15 That's not a bad way to do it, in my view. 22:15 there was a consensus for many of the moves, but not all of them 22:16 and in several cases we could outline several plausible plans and say that we thought all would work, but not be sure which one would give the best chance 22:16 Umbire: yes, that's reasonable 22:16 -!- stagnate has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:16 I considered something like that for NH4 but it would involve moving too many monsters to implausible color/underline combinations to make room 22:16 [US] jientho (Hea Hum Fem Neu) wished for "4 blessed scrolls of genocide", on T:8248 22:17 [EU] pinball (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 6 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:19137 22:17 aoei: and another marker in the shop? looks like you've won 22:17 if you're talking about mitzusune no he was not playing optimally despite all the great advice 22:17 Arseniy: IDK about all that 22:17 anselmus: mitzusune was *trying* to play optimally, even if we might not have succeeded 22:17 plenty of opportunities to die between here and astral 22:17 A win's a win, doesn't have to be an always-optimal one. 22:18 I know, just trying to jinx you 22:18 well he'd keep walking up to riders and shooting /death at point blank 22:18 ais523, it's one aspect of a game with a million aspects, literal or otherwise, and Un in particular has more than enough asskicking that it doesn't really move that needle as a change to me. 22:18 after deliberating 30 mins 22:18 Arseniy, not like you have to try. 22:18 just kidding, good luck :) 22:18 (Not a comment on aoei, the game is genuinely Like That sometimes.) 22:18 umbire, exactly you just have to be good enough of a player to notice when you need to slow down and play optimally :) 22:18 [EU] HalNovek (Hea Gno Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:34495 22:20 I mean you can argue a chunk of my monk ascension was suboptimal, but I've always seen it as a matter of what risks you're willing to accept. Same as the time I lost a chaotic monk after struggling to find reflection. 22:20 yeah thats why I find speedrunning interesting 22:20 cause you take calculated risks by playing faster and "ignoring" things slightly 22:21 while speeding up the areas where you can just mash 22:21 I struggle to figure out why my ascensions still take 8 hours even though I'm taking risks by playing faster and ignoring aspect sof the game 22:21 (sub)optimal is kinda meaningless unless you define the parameters for what is optimum play, or an optimum ascension, which really depends what you're going for 22:21 More to the point, I can't force someone else to accept risks if they don't really want to. It's not like NetHack is a game where you're at lack for risks. 22:21 aoei, I'm saying though. 22:21 I suspect NetHack is not remotely fun (and far too easy) if played optimally 22:21 Something something plans and surviving contact with the enemy. 22:22 it has a huge amount of slack in it 22:22 especially past the early game 22:22 for me, I use up that slack on conducts (often unofficial conducts) and on avoiding grinding 22:22 thats when you start to integrate the risk over multiple games 22:22 aka streaking :D 22:22 ais523: to me optimal play includes a clause for making it interesting for me which means conducts or speedrun 22:22 or both# 22:22 [US] karibou (Cav Gno Mal Neu) found kitten, on T:1540 22:22 Suboptimal is not meaningless. Forgetting to drink your speed potions on astral? Suboptimal. 22:22 Arseniy: unless you're using speed boots 22:22 Slack and risk aren't mutually exclusive of each other, is a thing I think people keep forgetting. 22:23 the only thing i've done right this tourney is to bet on Arseniy 22:23 without the boots, of course :) 22:23 And yeah, I've swapped to speed boots for the asc run on that other monk. 22:23 [US] [D]: mindcool (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1460 points, 1655 turns, killed by a watch captain 22:23 I'm talking about two different monks here simultaneously, should really clarify. 22:23 it's been ages since I've used telejump as the Astral strategy 22:23 [US] disperse (Bar Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Nesta's ghost, the former Digger, on T:4605 22:23 [US] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:5278 22:23 The first monk was a chaotic weaponless vegan one: I had no MR and needed to cope on the Perseus shield to win, and keep track of it being on/off for combat when I was certain wands weren't involved - and sure enough the one moment I drop that rhythm, death wand. 22:24 Then I ascended a Knight the very next game. 22:24 [US] stoicjin (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:30311 22:24 partly because I have got pretty good at the Standard Astral Strategy – nowhere near as good as some players here, but good enough to be personally satisfied with my abilities and to win some very understatted characters 22:24 [US] [D]: SkippitoFriskito (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 6690 points, 6701 turns, killed by a fire vortex 22:24 The other one I was talking about was this tnnt's ascension, also vegan and weaponless. Pretty sure it was armorless like the other one, too? 22:24 (body armor-less, rather) 22:24 which means that I've had less inclination to try the others, and also rarely have the pieces 22:25 what is standard astral strategy? melee? 22:25 I did the rubber chicken strategy on one game this TNNT because of a lucky trice spawn (and corpse drop) just as I entered but it's far from standard for me 22:25 Arseniy: i mean, certain playstyles require that you play optimally on astral because otherwise you die 22:25 speedrunning generally predicts arriving at astral not overprepared 22:25 [US] [D]: mindcool (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 122 points, 304 turns, poisoned by a rotted kobold corpse 22:25 anselmus: it relies heavily on wands of death/teleport for clearing crowds, typically speed boots, and a strong attack for situations where the teleport wands would be wasteful or wouldn't work (e.g. vs. Death) 22:26 which could be melee, missile or spell 22:26 also typically has some healing sources, and lots of AC 22:26 I think that was what I went with ultimately. Except I did also outright punch Death, once or twice. 22:26 no revgeno trice? 22:26 [EU] [D]: Noisytoot (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 324 points, 1085 turns, killed by a giant bat 22:26 anselmus: that's not the standard astral strategy, it's a different one (which is also valid, just not standard) 22:27 I think telejump and purple rain are the two other big ones 22:27 No real desire, no real need. 22:27 If you meant me, that is. 22:27 and then there are some minor non-recommended strategies that nonetheless still can work with a sufficiently strong character 22:27 like Melee The Whole Plane Empty 22:27 or Fill Astral With Acid Blobs 22:27 i usually don't have enough marker charges for tele 22:27 I was tilted enough about my pet situation to consider purple rain, but meh. 22:28 [US] stoicjin (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Juiblex, on T:30730 22:28 anselmus: well you write charging to refill your /oTele 22:28 aoei: one some speedruns I've seen "not overprepared" is putting it mildly :) 22:28 if i even find a /tele 22:28 my record high AC for ascension was ascending with AC 0 22:28 [US] [D]: DekaFumoPuzzle (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1312 points, 2646 turns, killed by a rabid rat 22:28 I can't even remember why I did that 22:28 I believe it. 22:28 ais523: speedrunner strategy is often be minotaur or mmf, have lots of teleport charges, and have conflict 22:28 Probably to prove something as you tend to, ais523 :B 22:29 ais523: I've ascended with AC 5 in minotaur form at least once 22:29 are we talking realtime or turns 22:29 [US] disperse (Bar Hum Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping an aklys on an altar, on T:5005 22:29 Umbire: I don't think so – quite possibly I was playing minimalist and didn't have enough paper to write ?oEA 22:29 you tend to have rubbish characters with both 22:30 yeah i've seen billdacat's rig 22:30 anselmus, his rig? 22:30 traditional (non-polyself-based) realtime can have fairly decent AC because it's probably wishing itself up a set of enchanted armor 22:30 [EU] elenmirie (Hea Gno Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:14660 22:30 asc kit, equip 22:30 gametime generally has terrible stats if not polyselfed 22:30 [US] [D]: SkippitoFriskito (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 331 points, 1298 turns, killed by a hobbit 22:30 anselmus: both rt and tc strats will often lead to high AC astral 22:30 [US] karafruit (Cav Dwa Fem Law) removed DekaFumoPuzzle's blessed +1 gray dragon scale mail from the swap chest, on T:9210 22:30 and some realtime runs also use polyself-based strategies nowadays 22:30 delicious scale mail, yum yum thanks 22:30 [US] [D]: Evendur (Ran Orc Fem Cha), 2184 points, 3522 turns, killed by a yeti 22:31 [US] [D]: karibou (Cav Gno Mal Neu), 599 points, 2154 turns, killed by a small mimic 22:31 karafruit, what color? 22:31 gray 22:32 Ah 22:32 caveman thankful to have MR now 22:32 (went through the mines with an amulet of unchanging) 22:32 it goes nicely with my helm of brilliance :P 22:32 [EU] Kontroller (Bar Hum Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:24467 22:33 Lmao nice, you gonna try spellcasting as a bit? 22:33 probably not, just happened to have... erm... acquired a helm of brilliance from an early shop 22:33 I can cast jump with only a 78% failure rate :D 22:33 :D 22:34 [US] a1 (Kni Hum Fem Law) averted death (poisoned by Demogorgon), on T:45091 22:34 If it works it works, any helm'll do in that slot imo 22:34 might as well loot the catacombs, right? 22:34 I might prefer telepathy if it were me 22:34 I'll probably replace it if I find one 22:34 [US] [D]: hothraxxa (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 6373 points, 7506 turns, killed by a wand 22:35 Like I said, it's not strictly necessary 22:35 booooowoooah 22:35 ou add the "identify" spell to your repertoire. 22:35 fuckin 22:35 [US] stoicjin (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:31372 22:35 dont wanna lose this run 22:35 this could be itg 22:36 [US] a1 (Kni Hum Fem Law) averted death (killed by a leocrotta), on T:45100 22:36 woah, just uncursed a ring in a fountain first try, rad 22:36 [US] a1 (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Yeenoghu, on T:45104 22:36 [US] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 613 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:17705 22:37 fuckj 22:37 [EU] [D]: theWeaver (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 680 points, 1466 turns, killed by a rabid rat 22:37 aoei, are you a1? 22:37 no 22:37 im theWeaver 22:37 ahh 22:37 [US] [D]: Scuzzery (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 5223 points, 3556 turns, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted vampire bat 22:38 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmUP5OJEpNU&list=PLChC_Y8sQL22QR0f4SWbcbCyGWKf9x8GU 22:38 rabit rat, the classic 22:38 [US] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:17817 22:38 i coulda lived 22:38 -!- arahael has joined #tnnt 22:38 but i moved too quickly and stepped around the rat 22:38 we've had first polymorph trap, yes, but what about second polymorph trap? 22:38 damn... single nurse took me from 103 hp to 170 hp 22:38 let it get two hits in 22:38 smh, sloppy play 22:38 never had a run that good before 22:39 not from just one nurse 22:39 i'm gon die 22:39 [EU] pinball (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:19623 22:39 K2: pog 22:39 [US] stoicjin (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed +3 ring of increase damage", on T:31678 22:39 [EU] pinball (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:19625 22:39 :P 22:39 lol I read that as 170 HP to 103 HP 22:39 [US] rvcx (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) rejected atheism by consulting with the priestess of Ptah, on T:3702 22:39 heh 22:39 orcus dancing 22:39 omg so far this run I've found a stack of silver arrows, three silver sabers, nad now a silver dagger... o.O 22:39 [US] stoicjin (Kni Hum Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:31702 22:39 [US] stoicjin (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:31704 22:40 I'd hold on to all of it just for souvenir's sake, they're so hard to come by. 22:40 Cavefoo probably get the Most™ out of silver spears, though a proper stack'll be heavy. 22:40 Can use a bow and silver arrows alrightish too, I think? 22:41 I put the +1 silver saber in the swap chest but the other two silver sabers are still in a shop 22:41 holy shit poly wand in the first room 22:41 [EU] [D]: Dictyostelium (Val Hum Fem Law), 34586 points, 11301 turns, petrified by a cockatrice corpse 22:41 this run is BLESSED 22:41 $lastgame mindcool 22:41 Noisytoot: [US] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/m/mindcool/tnnt/dumplog/1700346216.tnnt.html 22:41 [US] karafruit (Cav Dwa Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:9689 22:42 aoei \o/ 22:42 aoei are you going to a speed run? 22:42 idk 22:42 woah, third boomerang. HYPE! 22:42 but a priest starting with /oPoly *miiight* have a shot at TC 22:43 [US] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:18140 22:44 lordy, floating eyes are... something 22:44 [US] karibou (Hea Hum Fem Neu) found kitten, on T:1309 22:44 Ain't they? 22:45 rip. indirectly killed by a floating eye. winter wolf cub got me nearly to death and then I fell in a pit and a fire elemental finished me off :( 22:45 Series of events, eh? 22:45 It happens 22:46 [US] [D]: karafruit (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 14185 points, 10015 turns, killed by a fire elemental 22:46 I misjudged when I prayed, I thought I was low enough for a heal but I wasn't 22:46 [US] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Orcus, on T:18379 22:46 oh well. rip 3-boomerang girl, you'll be missed. 22:46 Unfortunate - hopefully you run it back 22:47 had an unidentified amulet on but alas it was poison not life-saving 22:48 Where did I leave off with my Knight game, actually... I think I was waiting for a few more potions before Rodney's tower? 22:48 [US] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:43357 22:48 Ah yes, book stash problems. 22:49 [US] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:43365 22:49 [AU] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) destroyed GrmlyFndsh's ghost, the former Adept, on T:1409 22:50 Also, trying to find speed monster. Somehow haven't run into that yety. 22:50 [US] [D]: SkippitoFriskito (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 2685 points, 3915 turns, killed by a dwarf 22:51 [EU] Kontroller (Bar Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (energy vortex), on T:25120 22:52 -!- efot has joined #tnnt 22:52 [AU] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) destroyed mindcool's ghost, the former Pillager, on T:1489 22:53 [US] spazm (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the Master of Thieves, on T:43677 22:53 [US] spazm (Tou Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:43679 22:53 [US] terrapin (Val Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed platinum yendorian express card", on T:27424 22:54 [US] stoicjin (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:32790 22:54 [US] stoicjin (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:32797 22:55 [US] [D]: a1 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 957422 points, 45290 turns, poisoned by Demogorgon 22:55 Oh damn. 22:55 [US] stoicjin (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:32918 22:55 $lastgame a1 22:55 Umbire: [US] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/a/a1/tnnt/dumplog/1699816483.tnnt.html 22:55 ran away while terminally ill without realizing it 22:55 Ouch. 22:56 rip a1 :( 22:56 a1, you never wanna go out like that. 22:56 You'll get 'em back though, trust. 22:56 :\ 22:56 I don’t think that level can leave bones, at least 22:57 yeah, i think it was one of the wizard tower levels. 22:57 so no one gets a demogorgon surprise :) 22:57 I don't know if I've ever encountered demogorgon before. Best to avoid him. 22:57 I think those are bones-eligible 22:58 well, not the one with the actual Wizard 22:58 [US] stoicjin (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Geryon, on T:33117 22:58 I don't think it was the Wizard level 22:58 According to wiki, the middle level is in fact eligible. So maybe someone will get demobones :) 22:58  middle level with zoo is bones eligible 22:58 and i've gotten bones there 22:58 eeck. Sorry in advance everyone. 22:59 [US] stoicjin (Kni Hum Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:33226 22:59 [EU] nurdglaw (Val Hum Fem Law) found kitten, on T:5816 22:59 if i find your bones i'll kill demogorgon, recorporealize your body, polymorph it, charm it, and try to ascend with it 22:59 [US] k2 (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed Croesus, on T:25703 22:59 that's be a true honor :) 22:59 that last one may be a tall order 22:59 [US] Furey (Hea Gno Mal Neu) has entered the Arena, on T:55109 23:00 Hourly Stats at 2023-11-18 23:00 UTC: Games: 21, Asc: 1, Scum: 0. 2d 05:17 gametime. (48%Cha), 12d 00:59 remaining. 23:00 [US] [D]: karafruit (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 772 points, 1746 turns, killed by a killer bee 23:00 this is the illness that kills you quickly, right? 23:00 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 23:01 like juib? 23:01 It’s the same as pestilence’s 23:01 yes 23:01 -!- ais523 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:01 [US] stoicjin (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:33425 23:01 -!- ais523 has joined #tnnt 23:01 [US] stoicjin (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:33428 23:01 [US] charlie14690 (Arc Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:50514 23:01 * anselmus once made it to high altar after being poisoned 23:02 Yeah, TermIll 23:02 on this very day someone ascended with termill and being chased by all 3 riders 23:02 the death timer is between 20 and 19+con 23:02 if you get hit again by termill it’s divided by like 3 I think 23:03 and I mean chased, you could see them on the map in the dump log 23:03 the clincher is i had a unihorn and forgot to use it 23:04 so it was self-generated drama 23:04 [US] disperse (Bar Hum Fem Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Crom, on T:8437 23:06 [US] stoicjin (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Baalzebub, on T:34226 23:06 Sometimes shit happens. 23:06 [US] stoicjin (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Asmodeus, on T:34331 23:06 [US] Furey (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed disperse the Robber in a deathmatch, on T:55173 23:06 [US] stoicjin (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Yeenoghu, on T:34371 23:07 [US] peterg (Arc Gno Fem Neu) wished for "marker", on T:39237 23:08 [US] [D]: tjw (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 675 points, 1889 turns, killed by a little dog, while fainted from lack of food 23:09 My second time to the Astral Plane I sacrificed the amulet to the wrong altar 23:09 I think I'd prefer death by illness 23:09 [EU] [D]: NetSysFire (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 222 points, 1309 turns, killed by a gecko (and one other game not reported) 23:09 Eh, death by illness is more of a "shit, i didn't notice". 23:10 well at least the game still recognizes it as an asc :) 23:11 [US] peterg (Arc Gno Fem Neu) genocided disenchanter, on T:39259 23:11 how can you see that? 23:11 ascended in celestial disgrace? 23:11 is it not escaped in celestial disgrace? 23:11 oh 23:11 -!- nurdglaw has quit [Quit: Client closed] 23:12 [US] stoicjin (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:35526 23:12 a somewhat important detail 23:12 -!- HalNovek has quit [Quit: Client closed] 23:12 [US] stoicjin (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:35527 23:13 [EU] stenno (Ran Gno Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:29087 23:13 -!- dbanethacker has joined #tnnt 23:13 Hello all - Vlad escaped the tower.  Any suggestions for how to find him? 23:13 [US] jientho (Hea Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (class c), on T:8430 23:13 [US] Smithgift (Val Hum Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a glass piercer, on T:12554 23:14 escape by stairs or by levelport/ 23:14 Stairs - he's not on any of the tower's levels. 23:14 it's been a while, but I thought the string was " lets you live" 23:15 that might be the message you get but it's not the end-of-game reason 23:15 it counts as an escape 23:15 then he'd be on gehennom level with his stairs, from where he might later run further 23:16 ah yes, I think it was counted as a dungeon escape, points-wise. 23:17 He's not there - do you mean the stairs going up or those going down? 23:17 He's on neither. 23:17 [EU] stenno (Ran Gno Mal Neu) genocided class ;, on T:29243 23:17 This is insane, I think I'm going to choose "holy water" from the pearwood chest. 23:17 did you check with telepathy? 23:17 i'd check the upstairs and then go up and see if he's there 23:18 There's some other good items, but I *need* holy water. 23:18 dbanethacker: he's ded 23:18 Yes 23:18 [AU] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) removed spazm's 2 potions of holy water from the swap chest, on T:3831 23:18 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:18 [US] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:20732 23:18 Ok I'll go upstairs and see.  Thanks for the tips 23:18 arahael: for what? 23:19 [US] stoicjin (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Famine, on T:35892 23:19 [US] Furey (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:55516 23:19 anselmus: I put a lot of stuff into a bag, before realising it's a cursed BoH. 23:20 [EU] [D]: NetSysFire (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 1208 points, 2277 turns, killed by a housecat 23:20 It was stupid. 23:20 [EU] stenno (Ran Gno Mal Neu) killed Pestilence, on T:29341 23:20 cat claws hurt 23:20 doesn't #tip save contents? 23:20 [US] [D]: peterg (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 766550 points, 39577 turns, petrified by losing gloves while wielding a chickatrice corpse 23:20 it would be kinda fun if stuff lost to cursed BoH went to astral 23:20 [US] [A]: stoicjin (Kni Hum Fem Law), 1918218 points, 35921 turns, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/s/stoicjin/tnnt/dumplog/1700329493.tnnt.html 23:20 gg 23:20 [US] Bean (Pri Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "+3 Blessed gray dragon scale mail", on T:1468 23:21 gg stoicjin 23:21 anselmus: I dont think so, no. 23:21 it does if you notice it's cursed 23:21 anselmus: #tip is recommended only because it means you have only one opportunity to loose contents instead of repeated losses. 23:21 klepto: Oh!? 23:22 [EU] stenno (Ran Gno Mal Neu) killed Famine, on T:29400 23:22 i don't remember if it vanishes on putting in but def on taking out 23:22 i just mean to say that you can tip a cursed BoH and stuff wont dissapear 23:22 klepto: It'll vanish even if you change your mind and stop interaction. 23:23 klepto: Ie, loot it, and back out of it like, not even inspect it. 23:24 [EU] stenno (Ran Gno Mal Neu) killed Death, on T:29451 23:24 [US] Smithgift (Val Hum Fem Law) removed DekaFumoPuzzle's blessed +1 red dragon scale mail from the swap chest, on T:13050 23:24 [US] haldisse (Cav Dwa Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:22077 23:24 gg stoicjin 23:24 [EU] [A]: stenno (Ran Gno Mal Neu), 1832884 points, 29479 turns, ascended 23:24 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/s/stenno/tnnt/dumplog/1700308263.tnnt.html 23:24 ok 23:24 grats stenno 23:24 gg stenno 23:25 thx 23:25 -!- anselmus has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:26 good job! 23:26 woo grats stenno 23:26 o7 23:26 grats stenno! 23:26 GG stoicjin and stenno 23:26 this was a smooth one atogether 23:26 [US] Smithgift (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:13303 23:26 did you go without MR? 23:27 pyec 23:27 [AU] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating an egg, on T:4404 23:27 Rodney ever get his hands on it? 23:27 That's another thing about my monk ascension, I was basically trusting that he'd never steal both the Eyes and the PYEC. 23:28 (Ideally because he'd never live long enough to.) 23:28 -!- anselmus has joined #tnnt 23:28 Hmmm, I do seem to have the Candelabraum in my possession.  I guess hunting down Vlad isn't as critical as I thought. 23:28 umbire: when i play monk, i put on a CoMR, chase rodney out of the dungeon, switch back to robe and Eyes 23:28 [EU] [D]: tromix (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 3344 points, 3992 turns, killed by a white unicorn 23:29 I raw dogged it. 23:29 dbanethacker: you killed him and auto picked up the candelabrum shortly thereafter 23:29 So to speak. 23:29 lol 23:29 [US] spazm (Tou Hum Mal Neu) wished for "magic marker", on T:45936 23:29 I did not know #tip doesn't destroy items from a cursed bag and that sounds like it might be a bug 23:29 It can. 23:30 It just minimizes the opportunities for that to happen. 23:30 I prefer not to lose stuff to a cursed bag in the first place if I can help it. 23:30 mind blown, it totally changes the approach to bones 23:30 Furey, but yeah again, that was the risk I accepted going vegan weaponless strictly no-body-armor monk. 23:30 [23:48] [US] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:43357 23:30 [23:49] [US] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:43365 23:30 i, too, play vegan weaponless no-body-armor no-shield monks 23:31 wow. here i am probably gonna kill a valk lol and you're doing ... whatver that is 23:32 [US] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:7695 23:33 firefox esr memory leak has been terrorizing my system for weeks/months 23:33 Nesta, done* 23:34 :B 23:34 But yeah, unlearning the muscle memory from that took a bit after. 23:34 [AU] Tangles (Ran Elf Mal Cha) killed Scorpius, on T:34865 23:34 weaponless monk is not that bad, the hardest thing about it is not accidentally hitting something with a pick-axe 23:34 Weaponless is awesome. 23:34 [US] Umbire (Kni Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed spellbook of identify named The Essence of Time", on T:60937 23:34 clan YTF still dominating 23:35 Legitimately so I can just ID shit faster and better sort my inventory. 23:35 [US] [D]: Nesta (Val Hum Fem Law), 988 points, 2686 turns, killed by a gnome lord 23:35 [US] OmegaDino (Pri Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed +3 shield of reflection", on T:8516 23:35 [US] klepto (Ran Elf Fem Cha) has entered the Arena, on T:43676 23:35 i did it! i killed a valk!!! 23:35 Arseniy, I ended up using wands of digging half the time and still having tons to spare, when I wasn't doing the Unwield Shuffle. 23:35 Nesta, pls, people kill Valks all the time. 23:35 Easiest role it may be but it's still a hard game. 23:36 -!- efot has quit [Quit: Client closed] 23:36 [US] klepto (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed Scuzzery the Student of Waters in a deathmatch, on T:43733 23:36 Arseniy: I set OPTIONS=!autodig when I play monk, makes me pause for every tile I dig. 23:36 Congrats, kelpto. :) 23:36 [AU] Tangles (Ran Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:34866 23:36 i played weaponless monk about a year ago and to this day I still have to stop myself hitting `w -` every three turns 23:37 I'd probably suggest setting a highlight on "wielded". 23:37 [US] jientho (Hea Hum Fem Neu) wished for "3 blessed scrolls of gain ability", on T:8477 23:38 and then the game after. 'this is okay. i am a knight now. knights use swords. this is okay.' 23:38 oh thx arahael. lvl drain op 23:39 I mean, I already do. 23:39 Furey, fax 23:39 [US] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased rustproof +2 helm of brilliance", on T:21276 23:39 15% fail rate, very acceptable. 23:39 [US] eitlarry (Arc Dwa Mal Law) became literate by engraving "foobar", on T:3302 23:39 [US] Nesta (Bar Orc Mal Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:566 23:40 Nesta, how would you just my ascension run, on that note? I recall you watching a bit of it 23:40 [US] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed rustproof +2 gauntlets of power", on T:21284 23:40 [AU] [D]: madelotsofspaget (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 931 points, 1352 turns, killed by a pony 23:41 I watch games like yours realizing that the really hard part was 30K+ turns ago 23:41 I don't know how you get a character like that to the middle game 23:42 [US] Cuchullain (Bar Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Nesta's ghost, the former Skirmisher, on T:2376 23:42 I also think about the sheer madness of the latter parts of the game and can't imagine doing without any possible asset and/or without having backups for everything 23:43 I've had too many overprepared characters die in gehennom or on the planes; I just don't know how you're that good! 23:43 [US] klepto (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:43994 23:43 It wasn't as hard as you'd expect, honestly, but still pretty rough. I think the most trouble was still that godforsaken chameleon. 23:43 Yes, I'm still mad about losing Elberethless there. 23:43 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:43 Don't mind me, I'm just butthurt becasue my character got killed in a computer game. 23:43 [US] Nesta (Bar Orc Mal Cha) found kitten, on T:640 23:44 The frost horn missing me but killing my cat was honestly the nail on which multiverses were built 23:44 Players mostly get good by going through all the possible mistakes and then not making them too many more times 23:45 [US] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:21406 23:45 [US] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:21407 23:45 is elberethless an actually tracked conduct in TNNT? 23:45 you get a report at the end 23:45 [US] jientho (Hea Hum Fem Neu) wished for "3 blessed potions of gain ability", on T:8479 23:45 a couple of different literacy things 23:45 There is probably at least one universe where I ascend Elberethless and survive that chameleon - I think it turned into something piddly before getting a turn as master lich beyond turning invisible I think. 23:46 [AU] unit327 (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "3 blessed charging", on T:19987 23:46 [US] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed ring of conflict", on T:21420 23:46 [AU] unit327 (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed ring of free action", on T:19987 23:46 [US] [D]: a1 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 49 points, 631 turns, killed by a fox 23:46 [AU] unit327 (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "marker", on T:19989 23:48 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 23:49 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 23:51 -!- arahael has joined #tnnt 23:51 [US] [D]: Nesta (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 1459 points, 1349 turns, killed by a magic missile 23:51 you know you're playing bad when even a starting 0:95 marker doesn't excite you 23:51 [US] k2 (Rog Orc Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:27597 23:52 [US] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Orcus, on T:45265 23:52 [AU] unit327 (Kni Hum Fem Law) genocided class h, on T:19997 23:52 [US] terrapin (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 cloak of protection", on T:28514 23:52 anselmus: oh yeah. I've killed so many wizards during this tourny, so many initial advantages amounted to nothing, very frustrating! 23:52 [EU] [D]: ais523 (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 446 points, 1740 turns, killed by a manes 23:53 [US] terrapin (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:28515 23:53 [US] Nesta (Bar Orc Mal Cha) murdered Mehitabel, his faithful kitten, on T:124 23:53 >> monsters appear out of nowhere! The invisible demilich touches the cockatrice! The invisible demilich turns to stone. 23:53 That game was also still pretty hard throughout, I'm not gonna claim it was won by any means. 23:53 and i play close to full paranoid so these repeated starts are killing me 23:54 I play close to totally nonparanoid and the repeated starts are killing me too 23:54 Especially not with un-fixed MA. 23:54 Noisytoot: yes, Elberethless is tracked in TNNT 23:54 [US] [D]: rvcx (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 3711 points, 7107 turns, killed by a fire ant (and 5 other games not reported) 23:54 Honestly I wouldn't hinge a measure of someone's skill on how paranoid they "should"/do play, given I consider both of you to be quite good. 23:55 Especially not when it concerns something I just... straight up don't have to deal with, if I don't want to. 's why it's an option, y'know? 23:55 You could say I play very non-paranoid. ;) 23:56 I mean, I guess, but what you mean by that and what, say, ais means by it are very different things. 23:56 A matter of degree. :D 23:57 [US] Cuchullain (Bar Hum Mal Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a spherical amulet on an altar, on T:3244 23:59 [EU] [D]: ais523 (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 300 points, 1037 turns, killed by a hobbit 23:59 paranoid, like the 5 minutes I just spent on turn 100, trying to decide whether I should force bolt a door in-line or at an angle.