00:00 DAILY STATS AT 2023-11-08 00:00 UTC: Games: 538, Asc: 16, Scum: 178. 1811970 turns, 49121691 points. 22d 22:55 gametime. (25%Pri), (63%Hum), (42%Neu), (54%Fem), 22d 23:59 remaining. 00:00 this is the optimal fountain strategy: don't use fountains until you can handle the monsters they spawn. Then, explore every level down to medusa. Quaff once at every fountain until the minimum depth for fountain wishes, dropping your items you don't want cursed when you do. For fountains that can potentially give a wish, quaff once to test if it's 00:00 magic. If it isn't, dip something in it you don't care about until it dries up. 00:00 [EU] blankman (Cav Gno Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:38191 00:00 -!- klepto has quit [Quit: Client closed] 00:00 or you can just quaff from them from the start 00:01 I don't quaff fountains except in dnethack where curse resistance protects from the curses (magicbane doesn't in vanilla) 00:01 Loggers_VIII: optimal dip item, if you don't need the fountain for blanking, is a potion of water formally IDed as uncursed 00:01 yeah for unholy water 00:01 a stack, ideally 00:02 but, I generally use most of the fountains in the dungeon for blanking or uncursing 00:02 you can't get wishes past dlvl 19 00:02 (from fountains) 00:03 [EU] DoktorL (Rog Orc Mal Cha) wished for "marker", on T:32940 00:03 as opposed to the horrifying alternative of swimming with max luck 00:03 yeah 00:03 [US] tjw (Bar Orc Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:51441 00:03 [US] tjw (Bar Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:51444 00:03 i often use fountains to get cursed water 00:05 -!- a1 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:05 [EU] tacco (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:29021 00:05 [EU] DoktorL (Rog Orc Mal Cha) wished for "marker", on T:33003 00:05 the smart play is confused remove curse, but dipping is more gratifying 00:05 [US] terrapin (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:26028 00:05 [EU] tacco (Bar Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:29031 00:06 I would only do the confused remove curse thing when I found an early non-cursed genocide. 00:07 That way I can obtain MR/reflection throw the unholy water. 00:07 confused remove curse requires a lot of setup and is often not practical 00:07 fountain dipping... well there they are 00:08 In fountain dipping any less tedious though? 00:08 and you do get a wish once in a while from fountains 00:08 [EU] nurdglaw (Val Hum Fem Law) found kitten, on T:1601 00:08 i think it is 00:08 The true big brain move is to find a golden naga and camp in its face 00:08 arseniy I mean you just dip the water in the fountain 00:08 confused remove curse requires a lot more setup 00:08 Yes but it's 1/30 chance or something 00:08 can take forever 00:08 practically requires an altar as well 00:09 same odds as uncursing somtehing, which i do all the time as well 00:09 Uncursing is much more probable 00:09 same probability as excat I think 00:09 excal* 00:10 ah. it's 1/30 for curse, 4/30 for uncurse 00:11 [EU] blankman (Cav Gno Mal Neu) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:38354 00:11 [EU] blankman (Cav Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:38356 00:12 Fountains typically disappear after 2-4 uses, so that's a lot of fountains for one uncurse. 00:12 [US] Grouchy (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:6722 00:13 works for me 00:13 usually only takes a few fountains 00:13 I mostly dip to uncurse if I'm wish hunting anyway or feeling a need to save scrolls 00:13 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 00:13 it can be a gamesaver in the early game 00:13 I've done it in emergency situations 00:14 like if I have no ?RC 00:14 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 00:14 Well if you need to breed dragons, anything goes 00:14 [US] Grouchy (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) destroyed richo's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:6823 00:14 [US] Bean (Sam Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:8082 00:17 [US] tjw (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed Orcus, on T:51660 00:17 [EU] [D]: Merlek (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 1138 points, 2682 turns, killed by a dingo 00:19 [EU] [D]: Arasaka (Cav Dwa Mal Law), 319 points, 821 turns, killed by a dwarf zombie (and one other game not reported) 00:19 [US] kodon (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) destroyed Raisse's ghost, the former Field Worker, on T:29035 00:20 [US] eitwinston (Val Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed +2 grey dragon scale mail", on T:29529 00:24 [US] eitwinston (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:29688 00:24 [US] eitwinston (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "magic marker", on T:29688 00:25 [US] eitwinston (Val Hum Fem Law) genocided class L, on T:29695 00:25 [US] eitwinston (Val Hum Fem Law) genocided class h, on T:29696 00:26 [US] [D]: richo (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 18 points, 124 turns, killed by a water moccasin 00:29 [US] karafruit (Ran Elf Fem Cha) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:31717 00:30 [US] [D]: qt (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 2219 points, 3122 turns, killed by a snake 00:31 [US] xdminsy (Tou Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:13324 00:33 I have the amulet but not enough stuff like potions. How bad is farming gonna be? 00:34 the amulet of yendor? at that point Rodney will be chasing you all game, farming may reduce rather than increase your victory chances 00:34 farming with the amu ... yikes 00:34 I get that 00:34 there are a lot of random potion drops in Gehennom, though, so that's probably the best place 00:35 you could go to dlvl1 and chase rodney up the upstairs 00:35 and then farm all you like 00:35 I'm at an altar on DL3 00:35 because he'll never come back 00:35 Oh yeah, that poofs him from the game altogether 00:35 wait really? He doesn't appear on PoE then? 00:35 [US] [D]: spazm (Sam Hum Mal Law), 4019 points, 3193 turns, poisoned by a centipede 00:35 yeah 00:35 $whereis nesta 00:35 anselmus: nesta is not playing. 00:36 define not enough potions 00:36 it's a bug that was fixed in 3.7 but in 3.6 you can get rid of him permanently 00:36 I need 1-2 b!oFH for Pesty? 00:36 nah 00:36 I should probably have a spare unicorn horn but I don;t 00:36 depends on how well prepared you are otherwise 00:36 you need exactly one /oD for pesty 00:37 it's a useful backup but one that usually doesn't come up 00:37 failing that holy water works like a charm 00:37 [US] AmElm (Mon Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "3 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:28576 00:37 I do recommend having some number of !oFH for Astral (blessing them is mostly unimportant, but is cheap) – they are a good generic solution to a whole load of potential Astral problems 00:37 but it's possible to make do without if the character is prepared enough 00:37 T120K, XP30, AC-39, HP314 elf ranger 00:38 i'm in votd with the amu and have at least 2 spare wishes. anything special needed in the swapchest? 00:38 blessed figurine of a woodchuck named Carl 00:38 ^ wish that up 00:38 blankman a cursed scroll of genocide would be nice 00:38 Nesta: you don't need anything for Pesty specifically, it's just that you might get low on HP for whatever reason 00:38 this is what would be considered nethack catfishing 00:38 [US] AmElm (Mon Hum Mal Neu) made his first artifact wish - "blessed fixed +2 staff of aesculapius", on T:28578 00:38 does the chest accept the figurine ? 00:38 when I was at the swapchest I was really looking for a wand of cancellation, but there wasn't one, so I ascended without and don't need it any more :-) 00:38 come on man, those stats are insane 00:39 (I found one on the ground in the filler next to Orcustown eventually) 00:39 also yeah nesta you'll be fine go kick some ass 00:39 People have splatted on Astral with that statline and better, but honestly I think Nesta can manage it 00:39 you should see what my Astral statlines are like :-) 00:39 I left my wands of cancellation on DL21. Less chance of an accident 00:40 if you f up so badly that you need FH then you deserve to die 00:40 blankman yes it will 00:40 you would honestly have to be quite bad to splat on astral with higher stats than that :P 00:40 I've died on every plane except earth, and I've died on fire twice and astral twice 00:40 I think in my recent ascension, I did Astral with only 1 luck on top of the luckstone's boost 00:40 and to start with, a +0 bow (but firing +7 ammo) and +1 melee weapon 00:40 I was well prepared before Ihad to fight rodney 8 times 00:40 [EU] blankman (Cav Gno Mal Neu) wished for "blessed figurine of a woodchuck named Carl", on T:39212 00:40 (ammo enchantments are worth more than launcher enchantments) 00:40 legitimately take as much FH as you feel is needed 00:40 rodney is easy in vanilla anyway (give him magic resistance) 00:41 seriously he's the wizard why doesn't he have magic resistance 00:41 [EU] blankman (Cav Gno Mal Neu) wished for "3 cursed scrolls of genocide", on T:39223 00:41 Loggers_VIII: there was a recent conversation in here where we thought it might be interesting to make him initially spawn with a CoMR, but he deathdrops it and doesn't have it when he respawns 00:41 sounds great 00:42 [US] richo (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3501 00:42 and there was surprisingly little disagreement with that plan 00:42 yeah i think that was a cool idea 00:42 it's because everyone knows the current rodney first kill is anticlimactic 00:43 WoD is still difficultish for subsequent encounters due to AC 00:43 but yeah it has Potential 00:43 give him a little time to laugh fiendishly :P 00:43 I realised that you don't actually need to cross the top floor moat on the Rodney first kill 00:43 yeah you can snipe him 00:43 just dig through the wall at range with a wand, then zap him with something to wake him up, and he brings the Book to you 00:43 you can probably OHKO him from across the water too, but then you do need to cross the moat to get the Book 00:43 ah I see what you mean 00:44 better yet, wake him up from outside with mind blasts or drum of earthquake 00:44 you can cursed !oInvis rodney, even faster 00:44 can you do that from outside the tower? 00:44 no 00:44 Have to be inside and on the same floor 00:44 aw I got excited for a second 00:45 Nothing works outside the tower in current stable except, I think drum of EQ? 00:45 [US] AmElm (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed platinum yendorian express card", on T:28584 00:45 Or like a mind flayer blast? 00:45 oic, your techniques work from outside 00:45 These are exactly the two things that work 00:45 yeah with mind blast/earthquake you don't even have to do the tower! it's great 00:45 7 holy waters. I think the fewest I've taken to the planes before was 30 00:46 30? Have you been colluding with spazm? 00:46 Loggers_VIII: it used to work in 3.4.3 00:46 haha 100K turns is a short game for me 00:47 oh, just the mind blast approach 00:47 I think c!oI might have a limited range that isn't long enough to reach? 00:47 ahhhhhhh a gnome released a djinni from a smoky potions :( 00:47 pontion range in infinite on a normal level but the tower is not a normal level 00:47 cursed invisibility has a large (if not unlimited) range, but I think that he's protected by the tower 00:48 well now I have 3 !oFH running out of excuses 00:48 That can be enough 00:48 wondering if earth elementals death drop potions 00:49 [EU] [D]: Merlek (Val Hum Fem Law), 1731 points, 2071 turns, killed by a rope golem 00:49 If *that* is not enough then maybe one can indeed start to wonder about the whole "deserve to die" thing... 00:49 my recent ascension, I used one "oLS and 4-5 !oFH but my stats were terrible 00:49 $lastasc ais523 00:49 Loggers_VIII: [EU] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/a/ais523/tnnt/dumplog/1699342201.tnnt.html 00:49 [US] richo (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) murdered her faithful large cat, on T:4231 00:49 i just don't want to blow it on a tournament game lol 00:49 i'd never get past the shame 00:49 [US] [D]: richo (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 4082 points, 4238 turns, killed by a giant spider 00:49 the humiliation 00:49 the agony of defeat 00:50 Plenty of people at your skill or better/worse have astral splats 00:50 ... huh did not know that pressing enter on "which direction" for force bolt just blows up everything near you 00:50 Loggers_VIII: I wrote a ?oEW on Astral and used it to enchant the Longbow of Diana, it was +0 when I entered the plane 00:50 It may not get much better if you start grinding 00:50 the servers run on player tears 00:50 And there's a whole 3 weeks left 00:50 …also alchemised the !oFH on the spot 00:50 -!- klepto has joined #tnnt 00:50 lol 00:50 it's the +7 arrows that 1-shotted death for you ais 00:50 thus the !oEH left over in my inventory because not the whole stack alchemized 00:51 Nesta: of course, that was the whole point 00:51 everything became pretty easy once the plane thinned out a bit and I could actually fight things from range 00:51 but the start was very scary 00:51 if you have resources to breed chickens, it's a non-issue 00:51 but on a wishless game you might not 00:52 chickens are super good in vanilla yeah 00:52 Loggers_VIII: in case the low stats are confusing, a) I often play like that because I find it more fun, but b) I was playing wishless polypileless (and didn't grind very much) so I didn't have a whole lot to work with 00:52 impressive 00:52 also that was my first Ranger ascension 00:53 I have a love/hate relationship with polypileless 00:53 rangers are fun! especially the quest 00:53 [US] [D]: Evendur (Ran Orc Fem Cha), 585 points, 1468 turns, killed by a rothe 00:53 apparently the iron bars there are immune to acid, in addition to the trees being too tough to cut down 00:53 (learned that one from experience) 00:53 oh yeah the first level is absolute hell. but I adore everything after that 00:53 Undiggable level makes iron bars unbreakable 00:53 yeah one chicken is more efficient than 10 EW/EA 00:54 ah, I assumed you were being sarcastic (but I don't mind the first level that much) 00:54 Quest past the first level isn't ASS, at worst it's unremarkable 00:54 you can farm a lot of fruit there easily 00:54 common vegan ranger W 00:54 I quite like the flavor of the ranger quest. plus the nemesis isn't boring 00:55 yeah legitimately just fix that first fucking level and it's Fine™ 00:55 well, as far as I can tell the Ranger quest nemesis dies even more easily than Lord Surtur 00:55 wand spam is still a kick in the ass but manageable even without reflection 00:55 yeah he's like, 10 AC base 00:55 although it does get some deathly illness attacks off in the meantime 00:55 but he can sicken you if -- yeah 00:56 I just like that he can be kind of scary if you let him get a hit in 00:56 no mon MR either 00:56 still obviously not up there with the goat master kaen 00:56 or the cyclops 00:56 YANI: Scorpius in EvilHack and Hack'EM should have the base stats of a giant scorpion 00:56 you raise a very good point actually 00:56 Master Kaen comes from a variant where monks are incredibly overpowered, and was statted accordingly 00:56 [US] [D]: Grouchy (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 13793 points, 10728 turns, killed by a psychic blast 00:56 * anselmus still hasn't forgotten his splat to scorpius 00:56 [EU] blankman (Cav Gno Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:39669 00:57 [EU] blankman (Cav Gno Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:39670 00:57 (but apparently in Slash'EM, a sensibly built monk can one-shot Master Kaen anyway) 00:57 Oh wow, that's unique for sure 00:57 I keep forgetting those can chip you 00:57 ais523, you just #tech him to death according to the wiki 00:57 yep 00:58 and ironically, by balancing him for overpowered characters, he is actually interesting to face for regular character 00:58 *characters 00:58 techs do have a cooldown, but using them on Master Kaen is worth the opportunity cost 00:58 Yeah you won't need a second pop of them ideally 00:58 -!- Arseniy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:58 the cyclops is one also that I don't think people give enough credit (probably since no one plays healer) 00:59 -!- klepto has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:59 I play healer >:c 00:59 also Cylcops is p. known to be a dickhead even before wielding your QA at you 00:59 or that's my impression anyway 01:00 Hourly Stats at 2023-11-08 01:00 UTC: Games: 11, Asc: 0, Scum: 1. 28698 turns, 27928 points. (60%Cha), 22d 22:59 remaining. 01:00 yeah well I ascend healer so get rekt :P 01:00 I consider it's a role for pacifist. 01:00 (one healer. once) 01:00 I literally have a 3.7 healer parked p. sure 01:00 I didn't find what advantages that healers have that attract me. 01:00 not sure what stenno was doing but i'm pretty sure you should be parked on scare or E against cyclops 01:01 anyway, all this to say: buff the demon bosses already dammit 01:01 the boring ones, that is 01:01 xnh did that 01:01 bit obtuse in some cases though 01:01 (or so I hear, been a minute) 01:02 I did like xnethack's implementation but I think they'd be too radical for vanilla 01:02 Though healers can reach skilled at sabers. 01:02 But they cannot two-weaponing :( 01:02 the main reason to play healers is the starting spells 01:03 Damage output past a certain point can be p. winmore 01:03 healing is really good, and stone to flesh has a lot of utility uses 01:03 and they get reasonable magic missile success anyway so :B 01:03 If no grayswandir + silver saber, then that damage is not enough for me :P 01:03 you are such a fiend for grayswandir 01:03 Greedy one. 01:03 Healers get the best artifact weapon in the game, but have to wait until the quest for it. 01:04 🧢 01:04 Yes healers have healing spells, but I think it's mainly for pets. 01:04 Swandy isn't really good for big damage. Even Excalibur produces more. 01:04 that is factually incorrect 01:04 (and I hate grayswandir) 01:04 Gray and Excal have better base damage and don't fizzle against drain resistant monsters 01:04 Why can Excalibur do more damage than Grayswandir? 01:04 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 01:04 oh, something I only realised in the last few days, is that flails are one of the best non-artifact weapons in the game (for characters who can't skill into long swords) 01:05 the Staff is pretty good but best artifact weapon is a major stretch 01:05 yeah flails are surprisingly good 01:05 it's a pity that there are no artifact flails, that means that investing in the skill is mostly a waste 01:05 I dislike playing lawful so I hardly use Excalibur. 01:05 ais523, flails and morning stars are more solid than sword addicts like to give credit for :B 01:05 The base damage for Swandy is low, so the bonus from Excalibur outclasses mere doubling. 01:05 ais523 simple fix: introduce an artifact flail 01:05 Butcher 01:05 Butcher 01:05 Butcher!!! 01:05 Loggers_VIII: I have been wondering about that 01:05 * Umbire slams table 01:05 butcher!!!! 01:05 Butcher!!! Butcher!!! Butcher!!! Butcher!!! 01:05 I don't mind base damage, I just need the +7 x2. 01:05 I'm still using runed daggers this game :P 01:06 The big monsters aren't drain resistant. 01:06 in my Ranger ascension, my melee weapon was +1 Frost Brand 01:06 heehee buff yeenoghu and give us a badass artifact in one... my plan is coming to fruitiinnn 01:06 *frution 01:06 it was surprisingly solid against Gehennom popcorn, despite the low stats and only having it at basic 01:06 A lot of Gehennom has big monsters 01:06 So Aesculapius is the best weapon for big damage 01:06 I enchant 400 +6 arrows last game, but maybe only used 100 of them. 01:06 that's just kind of wrong though lol 01:06 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 01:06 It has lower base dice than both long swords and sabers wdym 01:06 xdminsy: I went through a lot more than 100, probably around 300 01:07 in my game 01:07 Loggers_VIII, I mean Yeen is pretty scary as is with the magic missiles and para melee 01:07 yeah fair 01:07 also confusion 01:07 although, I didn't grind up luck 01:07 so they'd break more often 01:07 an extra buff isn't something I'd whine about mind 01:07 and sometimes I had to use them in situations where they'd be hard to retrieve 01:07 yeenoghu's weapon attack being confusion is weird 01:07 Gehennom monsters are mostly medium. Nothing like high priests and plains elemetals. 01:07 There's a lot of monsters that has drain resistance. 01:07 if you want the game to be hard, that's what conducts are for 01:07 My only several healers use grayswandir iirc. 01:07 anselmus that's a lie I'm getting tired of hearing 01:07 Gehennom monsters resist draining, though, where those don't 01:08 BEHiker91W: this is a good reason to play with understatted characters, it helps give you a sense of the relative danger of Gehennom monsters 01:08 [EU] tacco (Bar Orc Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:31073 01:08 also the seasoned veteran bias is real lmao 01:08 whereas with a typical character you plow through everything and can't tell the differences 01:08 Those L V and demons all resist draining. 01:08 one can always choose to make ones game harder, but you can't make it easier 01:08 for a given level of typical 01:08 conducts don't really make the game harder in a meaningful way, and you can absolutely make the game easier 01:08 that also doesn't feel entirely correct 01:08 Aesculapius also gives you drain resistance, so you don't need to load up on protection. 01:08 lol damnit Loggers_VIII 01:08 anselmus: the issue with conducts is that most of them are only relevant later in the game, whereas the hard part is the early game 01:09 -!- a1 has joined #tnnt 01:09 You rarely have to anyway if nothing gets close enough to drain you 01:09 i define harder as more effort required 01:09 if you mean more deaths, then i don't see the point 01:09 oh, I define harder as lower win rate for the amount of effort the player is prepared to put in 01:09 which isn't quite the same 01:09 I do like aesculapius a LOT, but 01:09 1) it's two-handed 01:09 2) its base damage sucks and you'll be using that base damage a lot throughout late game 01:10 Yes, so I dislike it :P 01:10 and again, Gehennom is most of the late game and a reasonable amount of mons resist it 01:10 what happens if you fight the Cyclops in a drain resistant polyform? (e.g. vampire lord) 01:10 ais523: Yes. I once ascended a wizard without fire resistance and only mediocre AC. It educates you about just how weak Gehennom is. 01:10 then he jsut smacks you 01:10 anselmus idk difficulty=more deaths is kind of the whole roguelike thing :P 01:10 really fucking hard 01:10 the main monster that troubled me was jabberwocks 01:10 4d8 x2 + 2d6 01:10 former is weapon 01:11 not because I was in risk of death, but I had to go into serious mode, arrowstorming them repeatedly 01:11 prioritizing targets is half the game as a ranger 01:11 and would lose about ⅓ of my HP to one jabberwock if it caught me in melee range 01:11 if not more 01:11 BEHiker91W to be fair, as wizard you just point at stuff and it dies 01:11 literally 01:11 [US] strathmeyer has 100 consecutive games less than 100 turns. 01:11 magic missile and/or cone of cold = you just win for a majority of Gehennom anyway 01:12 Loggers_VIII: a great spell, I agree, and in no way overpowered, but it doesn't work on Gehennom monsters. 01:12 Loggers_VIII: conducts do indeed make the game more difficult 01:12 he's speaking in the figurative sense 01:12 in fact artificial difficulty like poison instadeaths is one of my biggest grievances with nethack 01:12 I didn't mean finger of death, I meant literally any offensive spell as high-level wizard 01:12 [US] Bean (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:15925 01:12 anselmus this is probably the most agreeable sentence I've ever heard 01:13 anselmus: my biggest gripe is that for most roles, the difficulty in the early game ramps up faster than your character's ability to deal with it 01:13 but I don't think buffing demon bosses to make them actually challenging would be "artificial difficulty" 01:13 [US] strathmeyer (Hea Gno Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed figurine of an Archon", on T:3 01:13 [US] Bean (Sam Hum Fem Law) removed blankman's 3 cursed scrolls of genocide from the swap chest, on T:15933 01:13 I think poison instadeaths are something of a symptom of that – they become a real threat earlier than you get a reasonable opportunity to mitigate them 01:14 The early game I like to buy some protection before doing sokoban. 01:14 Loggers_VIII: You could make Demogorgon the base difficulty level (for Asmo, e.g.) and scale them up from there. 01:14 [US] Bean (Sam Hum Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:15938 01:14 luckily poison instadeath is gone in 3.7 so that's nice 01:14 [US] Bean (Sam Hum Fem Law) genocided class h, on T:15938 01:14 I would often reach -5 or even -10 AC before sokoban. 01:14 recently I have been doing the entirety of the Mines before Sokoban, although that's partly swapchest-related 01:14 And if no poison resistance, I would always carrying the pets and Elbereth when encountering poisonous monsters. 01:14 in 3.4.3 that would be a very suboptimal order, but Sokoban is so much harder than it used to be 01:14 BEHiker91W nah demogorgon's probably too difficult for vanilla already. I just mean small, numbers-related buffs 01:14 Loggers_VIII: then that would just become a matter of extra preparation, no? more effort? 01:15 anselmus, you can reduce any "challenge" in nethack to that 01:15 I only did mines end before sokoban in evilhack. 01:15 by your logic, nothing in nethack is challenging, it just takes effort 01:15 I group grinding with luck – something is unbalanced if it takes too much luck or grinding 01:15 in order to survive it 01:15 I find a interesting thing is that I have never complete a game wishlessly. 01:16 xdminsy: if you're willing to polypile it's pretty easy, just a bit tedius 01:16 * tedious 01:16 i think i get what you're saying 01:16 Even I'm well armored I may likely just wish for a marker or whatever. 01:16 and anyway, the issue with the demon lords is not exactly "they are challenging but I'm an evilhack player so I want them to FUCKING KILL ME" it's "they require no effort whatsoever to deal with" 01:16 i just think it's already enough effort :) 01:16 lol I can't argue with that 01:17 [EU] [A]: blankman (Cav Gno Mal Neu), 2492114 points, 39889 turns, ascended 01:17 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/b/blankman/tnnt/dumplog/1699239068.tnnt.html 01:17 gg 01:17 Loggers_VIII: you do have to know how to beat covetous monsters – the problem is that beating covetous monsters is actually really annoying 01:17 yeah 01:17 grats blankman. 01:18 thanks 01:18 grats blankman! 01:18 -!- efot has joined #tnnt 01:18 incidentally, this reasoning is part of what inspired the wands balance patch 01:18 at least two very-late-game bosses get wands as a major attack, and yet they do nothing to a player who actually gets that far 01:18 also, so many of the & monsters use poison attacks- why? who is going to gehennom without poison resistance? 01:18 ais523 three! asmo, dispater, and orcus :) 01:18 there is basically no way that a player in Gehennom will have neither reflection nor the appropriate elemental resistance 01:19 even people like me, who often play without one, will take care to have the other 01:19 Maybe it's difficulty for atheist foodless player. 01:19 maybe it's overestimating gremlins? 01:19 But there's many extrinsic way to obtain poison reisstance too. 01:19 luckily 3.7 alleviates the wand thing a little now that monsters stop using wands if they see you resist it 01:20 Loggers_VIII: doesn't that mean that having the resistance now means you get a wand with more charges? 01:20 even cold res for asmo is a pain to acquire 01:20 so it's even more overpowered 01:20 yes ais523 01:20 anselmus there are so many monsters that grant cold resistance you will see before asmodeus, just eat one 01:20 anselmus: nowadays I find that I'm often using resistance rings into Gehennom, to cover missing intrinsics 01:21 failing that, get crowned? 01:21 Loggers_VIII: anselmus is talking about atheist foodless 01:21 which denies the two major options 01:21 I just get crowned at the start of every game, it significantly reduces effort 01:21 oh I see 01:21 Valks start with it, Monks at... 01:21 I would crowned afer I got MR. 01:21 11? 13? I don't remember exactly 01:21 if you're playing atheist foodless, who cares you're playing atheist foodless 01:22 Don't know how to play such things. 01:22 Foodless adds significantly difficulty when combined with other conducts. 01:22 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 01:24 Atheist incidentally removes a major source of nutrition for normal foodless play 01:24 still sounds like you want your char to be always taking damage, which again is easily achievable through conducts 01:25 live on the edge all you want 01:25 I want the lategame to not be the boring slog that it currently is 01:26 it's a slog you're gonna be taking damage through anyway, just not severe damage most often 01:27 again, I don't even want to constantly be on the verge of death. but I want to have to use my brain a LITTLE bit 01:27 don't always have to increase damage per se to make things interesting the way I think Loggers is suggesting 01:28 Loggers_VIII: you want to do speedruns. dfv! 01:28 incorrect 01:28 dfv? 01:28 I also don't know what that means lol 01:28 Digging for victory 01:29 ah 01:29 also he does want to do speedruns sometimes but that isn't necessarily a factor here 01:29 (or not much of one I'd think) 01:29 so he just wants to die more :p 01:29 I have tried to deny the speedrunner allegations on multiple occasions, people just don't listen >:( 01:29 "again, I don't even want to constantly be on the verge of death. but I want to have to use my brain a LITTLE bit" 01:30 I play normally but faster than average, that is not speedrunning 01:30 risk of death is just one means among many to that end 01:30 Loggers_VIII, tomato tomahto 01:31 Loggers_VIII: have you ascended under 20k turns? 01:31 my speed is a curse everyone can dismiss my arguments with "you a crazy speedrunner" :( 01:31 [US] stoicjin (Sam Hum Fem Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:2722 01:31 kodon I don't think so? let me check 01:31 [US] [D]: bouquet (Kni Hum Fem Law), 406 points, 1582 turns, killed by a sewer rat 01:31 -!- BEHiker91W has quit [Quit: Client closed] 01:31 no 01:32 my lowest turncount is 28k 01:32 [US] [D]: Delrav (Sam Hum Mal Law), 9219 points, 5626 turns, poisoned by a pit viper 01:32 maybe you think you're too GOOD for the game!? 01:32 Loggers_VIII: and you've ascended every conduct? 01:32 My average turn count may be 20k more than others. 01:32 kodon no, why would that be relevant 01:32 Loggers_VIII, ftr I'm japing 01:33 I'm japing back :) 01:33 Loggers_VIII: that's what conducts are for. make the game more challenging so you still have to use your brain even in the end game 01:33 I should not need to ascend every conduct to think that most of the DEMON LORDS in HELL being trivial to defeat is an odd gameplay choice 01:34 i think kodon is on to something tho, the early game is supposed to be the hardest 01:34 I think I've ascended under 20k in the past, but my games are nowhere near that nowadays 01:34 -!- crunchbubba has joined #tnnt 01:35 kodon, with all due respect, doing something boring but blindfolded is not the same as doing something interesting 01:35 Loggers_VIII: for what it's worth, in HyperRogue, Hell is the easiest area by far 01:35 (it is the equivalent of the Sanctum in NetHack – an area that only unlocks once you've done enough tasks elsewhere to unlock the endgame) 01:36 zen is a joke once you have object detection 01:36 [EU] tacco (Bar Orc Mal Cha) genocided class ;, on T:31230 01:36 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 01:36 well at least we've got them beat in that aspect, since the sanctum is actually difficult 01:36 and I think one reason to do it like that is that it's the only mandatory area, everything else in HyperRogue gives you a choice 01:36 Zen is rather simple one I think :P 01:36 I think people overstate how difficult the Sanctum is 01:36 i find it interesting that minmaxing to me is sub 20k, but to others the complete opposite 01:36 it is harder than most of Gehennom but this is not a high bar 01:37 several conducts make the early game a lot harder but don't do too much later on, which just compounds the problem 01:37 ie hundreds of thousands of turns collecting everything 01:37 anselmus: I think of 20k as a "natural" speed target because it is the length of time it takes to forget a spell 01:37 and 80k as another, because it is the length of time for a spellbook to run out completely 01:37 even with conducts, the difficulty curve is still the same 01:37 but to me it's hard to imagine spending 80k turns, surely you would run out of things to do? 01:38 I don't want an insanely difficult early game and a challenging lategame, I want to play a challenging video game :P 01:38 [US] [D]: schoen (Bar Hum Fem Neu), 36034 points, 18443 turns, killed by an elf mummy 01:38 maybe altar camping, that's very slow in turns of turncount if you don't have a way to spawn monsters 01:38 ais523: yeah it boggles my mind too 01:38 my longest game is 311k turns 01:38 Loggers_VIII: well, wishless makes the lategame harder and has basically no impact early 01:38 especially since farming has been nerfed 01:39 you just reminded me of the NH4 pudding AI 01:39 ok fine, wishless, genocideless, polypileless are the only conducts I respect 01:39 designed to improve performance when players are massively pudding farming 01:39 I wish I'd played nethack when pudding farming was still a thing 01:40 (it also happens to make it a little harder to pudding farm by pastescript – if the punishment for pudding farming is supposed to be pudding farming, you don't want players dodging the punishment) 01:40 the world was not ready for your genius 01:40 sadly true :( 01:40 Loggers_VIII: there are plenty of versions and variants where pudding farming still works 01:40 I hardly do polypileless too :P 01:40 [US] stoicjin (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:3982 01:40 yeah but all those variants/versions have better versions afaik 01:41 one of the only times i died in the Sanctum was as an illiterate 01:41 you can play 3.4.3 on hardfought, and NH4 will happily let you collect pudding deathdrops (although it has puddingsplitless as a conduct, as usual for conducts, nothing happens if you break it) 01:41 also I have discovered that puddingsplitless is surprisingly hard to not break by accident 01:41 3.4.3... *shudder* 01:41 3.4.3 with interface improvements 01:41 Farming in evilhack can get those best artifacts. 01:41 Is it edged weapons or just iron in NH4? 01:41 That's cool. 01:42 Umbire: iron 01:42 Bet 01:42 farming in evilhack is pretty busted 01:42 but you can easily get powerful enough to win without it so I think it's fine 01:42 [US] knnn (Bar Hum Mal Cha) destroyed k2's ghost, the former Adept, on T:16006 01:42 -!- Noims76 has quit [Quit: Client closed] 01:42 I remember the early days of (non-Slash'EM) NetHack variants, back when SporkHack was fairly new 01:43 I complained that it had nerfed most of the ways to get good weapons early, but not altar camping, meaning that the game became really biased towards altar camping 01:43 and I am worrying that something like that is happening to vanilla nowadays 01:43 maybe not altar camping specifically, but some sort of early-game grind 01:44 what are the wish sources for All You Ever Wanted? Wand, demon-from-fountain, djinn-from-lamp, djinn-from-smokey, throne? am I missing anything? 01:44 [EU] tacco (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed Famine, on T:31301 01:44 it feels like when I win, it's because I had slightly above average early-game luck (that is, for me specifically – a better player probably wouldn't need as much luck) 01:44 I think that's it 01:44 whereas 3.4.3, I felt like the losses were my fault 01:44 Sacrificing in vanilla is not so attractive to me. 01:44 [US] karafruit (Ran Elf Fem Cha) wished for "uncursed fixed magic marker", on T:33288 01:44 ais523 I get the same feeling 01:44 also in early game I don't necessarily shoot for artiweapons by default but I get the feeling 01:45 my silly ass will happily make do with like, a scimitar or just a regular ass long sword sometimes 01:45 I think there's a small but significant gap between exploring early mines/DoD and doing mine's end/sokoban that needs to be filled with something 01:45 the valk win, I found four magic lamps early (although it took some time to find a way to bless them) 01:45 ais523: if grinding guaranteed a win i don't think anyone would complain 01:45 Every game I ascend is some kind of lucky. 01:45 I unintentionally ascended wishless once because I just found or polypiled anything I needed 01:45 anselmus grinding pretty much does guarantee a win if you do enough of it 01:45 I would be rather annoyed if it is a totally bad game :P 01:45 anselmus: I would, I think, unless the same win could be guaranteed without excessive grinding 01:46 Loggers_VIII: a bold statement perhaps even a lie 01:46 anselmus, as someone who has altar camped for 4 hours on level one, it is true 01:46 I attempted to altarcamp in the game I just played, and almost died to a particularly bad monster spawn 01:47 Loggers_VIII: that is more the case in evilhack where you can also get armour from altar camping 01:47 hehe i don't think i want to know 01:47 obviously you will never "guarantee" a win. but you can make it so you have enough equipment that any halfway decent player simply will not lose 01:47 noisytoot I've done it in vanilla too, deathdrops pay the bills 01:47 Loggers_VIII: but bear in mind that the vast majority of 3.4.3 games are ascendable without camping – I am not sure to what extent that relies on E abuse, though 01:48 Apparently luck factor involved in a lot games. 01:48 I think that 3.6/7 definitely decreased the amount of totally ascendable games, but I don't think it was by a very significant margin 01:48 My previous ranger just encounter a gnome with fire horn in first level of the mines, but I remained 1 hp :P 01:48 xdminsy lucky, I've been oneshot by that before :P 01:49 [US] skwrl (Bar Hum Mal Cha) murdered his faithful pony, on T:9152 01:49 xdminsy: was that in 3.7? there's a 3.7 mechanic to stop you getting oneshot by HP damage from full HP the first time it would happen 01:49 Yes I was about to doing some kind of protection racket, didn't kill all monsters by myself, I was only 32 hp that time. 01:49 you just end up at 1hp with no message 01:49 It's tnnt, my last ranger. 01:50 there should be a message 01:50 -!- tacco has joined #tnnt 01:50 why isn't there? 01:50 I agree with noisytoot, there should at least be some sort of ambiguous message 01:50 the dev who implemented it didn't add one, and I'm not sure whether the mechanic's supposed to be secret or not 01:51 xdminsy: that moment must have felt like the rocky movies 01:51 I think the reasoning is to make there more exciting moments in battle that feel organic, but it would still be nice to have some indication of when it happened 01:51 DCSS has a message for when you lose over half your max HP in one turn 01:51 [US] skwrl (Bar Hum Mal Cha) murdered his faithful gold golem, on T:9240 01:51 [US] eitwinston (Val Hum Fem Law) bribed Asmodeus with 91 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:31138 01:51 "Ouch! That really hurt!" 01:52 heh 01:52 there is the life force running out one 01:52 hah maybe, I'm not deliberately doing some win streaks. 01:52 I tried to get into DCSS but I just dislike the way they streamline it 01:52 anselmus: that's a reference to Gauntlet, and in Gauntlet, as in NetHack, it would usually happen as a consequence of a whole load of small attacks, not one big attack 01:52 there was a mechanic that especially annoyed me, where there's a chance that when you move, a trap will just be created under you 01:53 -!- Umbire has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:53 (IIRC in Gauntlet you have negative HP regeneration, meaning you need to constantly find healing items to survive, as an equivalent of a food clock) 01:53 there's also the cwwnanwn message, and the banshee one 01:53 Loggers_VIII: modern DCSS is a huge mess 01:53 for the reasons you stated 01:53 your point of view is not at all unpopular 01:53 -!- Umbire has joined #tnnt 01:53 [EU] [A]: tacco (Bar Orc Mal Law), 1085187 points, 31332 turns, ascended 01:53 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/t/tacco/tnnt/dumplog/1698836953.tnnt.html 01:53 I'm glad to hear that 01:53 [US] [D]: rvcx (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 7 points, 382 turns, killed by a fox (and 6 other games not reported) 01:54 I'll probably try to play some older version of it at some point when I have the time 01:54 gg 01:54 Glad to hear what btw 01:54 Client choked 01:54 grats tacco. 01:54 i was about to try angband for the longterm aspect but then read a review that said you can instadeathed anytime in that game 01:54 cbf to peek at discord side 01:54 even weeks into the game 01:55 anselmus: angband is a depth/resistance game – NetHack is similar but blurrier, Angband plays it straight 01:55 also I keep thinking back to that frost horn dodge on my monk and how it by all means should've killed me 01:55 thanks xdminsy <3 01:55 just that my dislike of DCSS's modern streamlining isn't an unpopular point of view, umbire 01:55 but for the protection spell I'd used earlier 01:55 Loggers_VIII, it isn't! 01:55 [US] skwrl (Bar Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:9343 01:55 if you go too deep without the appropriate intrinsics to survive at that depth, things will kill you very quickly, maybe even in one shot 01:55 so here i am :p 01:55 yeah angband is very "you will die, if you don't have x to survive y. no funny business. we will fucking kill you". 01:56 gun emoji 01:56 in NetHack the cut-offs are softer, e.g. it's no longer the case that you instantly lose if you enter Gehennom without fire resistance 01:56 dragons are also not only (comparatively) more threatening they're downright bastards 01:56 so I hear 01:57 the dragons in Brogue are really frightening 01:57 came across a guide or two while poking around angband resources for a tty player I think 01:57 ALL monsters in brogue are frightening 01:57 that game does not pull punches 01:57 they feel like they were a monster invented to punish people who don't have the appropriate resistances, but there are no appropriate resistances (that are at all likely to generate, at least – I think there's an armor of dragon immunity implemented but most games don't have access to it) 01:57 I've been playing it on/off for a little while. deepest I got was like depth 20 01:58 [US] xdminsy (Tou Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:16618 01:58 brogue also suffers from streamlining just a tiny bit, but not nearly as much as DCSS imo 01:59 I played it a while back, it was during a period where new versions were fairly frequent, but tended to have balance issues that needed another new version to fix them 01:59 plus it looks very pretty 01:59 -!- BEHiker91W has joined #tnnt 01:59 brogue has the best atmosphere far and away of any roguelike I've played 01:59 -!- crunchbubba has quit [Quit: Client closed] 02:00 it was at the time of the ally nerf (the version where I started playing, an ally build could carry you regardless of your equipment; that was fixed by requiring enchants to be invested into allies, but that had major game balance implications that weren't properly resolved) 02:00 nethack has feeling, but it still rarely feels like you're actually there; brogue is very immersive 02:00 I've yet to try brouge but I keep hearing good things about it 02:00 it is very different from NetHack 02:00 a very low-headroom game 02:00 but is probably worth a try to see if you like it 02:01 [US] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Croesus, on T:18546 02:01 the part about brogue I dislike is that sometimes (rarely, mind you), you will simply not get enough gear/enchants to win against a monster you encounter, and you just die 02:01 [US] Bean (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:23547 02:01 well, Brogue basically sets you the task of "here are the items you get this game, try to assemble them into a workable build" 02:01 so if you want to play a particular character, rather than the build the game gives you, you need to startscum 02:01 yeah. It does a good job of giving you enough ingredients most of the time, but sometimes you get got 02:02 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 02:02 don't remember why brogue didn't appeal to me last time but i'll have to take another look 02:02 (and this is accepted by the community, there are even startscumming bots and seed catalogs) 02:02 The swap chest spits out my touchstone :( 02:02 haven't actually played it 02:02 xdminsy: IIRC that was a fix to some Archaeologist-related exploit 02:02 hm was it windows only? 02:02 [US] [D]: ryokanhard (Arc Hum Mal Law), 587 points, 1844 turns, killed by a jackal 02:02 anselmus: no, it works fine on Linux 02:03 I don't know what to donate then. 02:03 I think I need one bag of holding :) 02:03 but it doesn't integrate well with most terminal emulators, so generally people use the game's built-in terminal emulation 02:03 you can also just play it in your browser at brogue.roguelikelike.com 02:04 (it should be technically possible to make it work in a truecolor terminal – I'm not sure whether or not anyone has yet) 02:04 * anselmus invites all clans to try brogue today 02:04 maybe once tourney is over 02:05 @Loggers_VIII please explain 'farming in evilhack is busted' 02:05 I have ascended Brogue before, but long enough ago that I forget the details 02:05 I have brogue locally on GNU/Linux. It's not windows-only. 02:05 i think it's actually quite advantagous for the player, esp early game 02:05 not that its necessary 02:05 K2: I interpreted "busted" as "too strong", not as "nonfunctional" 02:06 but I guess we can wait for the clarification 02:06 yeah i'm not even sure nowadays if 'busted' is a complaint or a compliement 02:06 <-- old 02:06 Sadly there's no boh in swap chest.. 02:07 I generally donate random spellbooks or redundant rings, if I'm not sure what to put in 02:07 or wands of polymorph – one of them was taken but the others haven't been yet 02:08 [US] eitwinston (Val Hum Fem Law) averted death (drowned in a pool of water by a python), on T:32529 02:08 lmao 02:08 :c 02:08 just talked about this 02:08 I knew it existed, but it's rare for pythons to get near water in the first place 02:08 so it's surprising to actually see it 02:08 -!- crunchbubba has joined #tnnt 02:09 i've been drown by a python before. havent taken them for granted since 02:09 It's rather painful for me to play without bag of holding. 02:09 Usually happens on Medusa 02:10 Can also happen in the dungeon near swamps rarely, I'd figure 02:10 xdminsy you are not alone 02:10 [US] Bean (Sam Hum Fem Law) murdered her faithful orange dragon, on T:24138 02:10 Speaking of swamps, surprised there aren't more anacondas in those for Evil 02:10 BoH addiction is real 02:10 K2: all the practice with silly ascensions like the large box ascension paid off in my most recent game 02:10 [US] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:19562 02:10 there was no mithril anywhere in the mines, so I wore splint mail to survive and had a much lower carry cap than usual 02:10 but I knew what to do from all the conduct games 02:11 [US] Scuzzery (Mon Hum Fem Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:5519 02:11 (eventually I found mithril in the big room, but that's much later than usual) 02:11 Splint/banded can be serviceable 02:11 I've also had a python drown me...at least they will follow you onto land 02:11 (and then a little after that I crafted some GDSM and had carry cap to spare for stupid things like achievements) 02:11 even chain mail 02:13 my current thoughts about NetHack is that you need a bag of holding, or a stash, but it's usually possible to do without both 02:13 so using a bag of holding cuts down on tedium sorting out your stashes, because it can be the stash 02:14 (you still need mini-stashes for wands of cancellation if you don't want to keep those in your main inventory, unless you aren't planning to use them at all) 02:14 ais523 nice 02:15 seriously, devteam should add the conduct 'never used a portable container' 02:15 I don't use cancellation, if I need I would travel to it. 02:15 K2 as “busted” I just meant “very very strong” 02:15 come to them with code scrolls 02:15 hah loggers gotcha 02:15 in my day busted meant broken 02:15 K2: is that "never carried a container" (i.e. moved while holding one) or "never carried a bag"? 02:15 future is now old man or whatever 02:15 it still does 02:16 but now broken also means overpowered 02:16 K2: the meaning of "broken" has changed and "busted" has changed to match 02:16 ais523 I would say never carried a bag. carrying a chest or even a large box is very risky 02:16 allow your mind to be corrupted by the modern vernacular 02:16 K2: I do it sometimes even in non-conduct games to move it off a thrown 02:16 :) 02:16 * off a throne 02:17 incidentally, carrying a large box is not risky if it doesn't burden you, just annoying as you have to do so much more stashing 02:18 [US] [D]: rvcx (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 307 points, 2314 turns, killed by a gecko, while frozen by a monster's gaze (and 6 other games not reported) 02:20 summoning Yeenoghu via same-race sacrifice while wielding stormbringer... wondering how long until I accidentally attack him :thinking: 02:20 Large box can be used in credit cloning. 02:20 That's a simple way to gain a lot of AC :P 02:20 If low level. 02:21 I use boxes in the early game when playing giant 02:21 I have the spare carrycap and I can shove zombies in it 02:21 xdminsy: I'm surprised that the kittens can lift it 02:21 giant is interesting, I never found much success with them 02:21 only large cats iirc? 02:21 Of course you need large pets lol. 02:21 tortles are cooler I think 02:22 maybe a pony can carry a box? 02:22 YANI: saddle bags for steeds 02:22 Yes ponies have 1000 carry capacity. 02:22 Polyself into a stoning resistant monster stops stoning, righT? 02:23 No boh and no scroll of identiy then I need to quaff test some potions. 02:23 K2: I remember seeing a discussion of iron balls of holding (you put items inside and they move around on your chain) but can't remember whether it was my YANI or someone else's 02:23 they don't actually have to reduce the item weight because you're dragging them anywa 02:23 * anyway 02:23 [US] bleeko (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) genocided class R, on T:76885 02:23 [US] [D]: post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 109 points, 169 turns, slipped while mounting a saddled pony (and one other game not reported) 02:23 [US] Bean (Sam Hum Fem Law) wished for "2 Blessed scrolls of charging", on T:26055 02:24 I remember reading rgh posts from like 1987 and someone had a YANI for saddlebags 02:24 [US] Bean (Sam Hum Fem Law) wished for "+2 Blessed fixed cloak of magic resistance", on T:26055 02:24 [US] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Dragonbane bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:20443 02:24 Let the convicts have the ability to store items in the iron balls :P 02:24 That's cool, can protect some items in early game. 02:25 hah 02:25 iron ball of holding 02:25 'nice balls, how much do they hold?' 02:25 yeah i went there 02:25 convicts would be adept at smuggling if they ever got transferred 02:25 yknow where this is going 02:26 [US] [D]: DekaFumoPuzzle (Kni Hum Fem Law), 11174 points, 7182 turns, killed by a blue jelly 02:26 omg two middle-school level jokes at the same time \o/ 02:26 $lastgame dekafumopuzzle 02:26 -!- tacco has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:27 did anything pop up on the irc side for that command or is Croesus ignoring me 02:27 It did not 02:27 [US] bouquet (Kni Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:798 02:27 I don't think Croesus was given the Beholder treatment 02:27 $lastgame dekafumopuzzle 02:27 Umbire: [US] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/D/DekaFumoPuzzle/tnnt/dumplog/1699331086.tnnt.html 02:27 dere u og 02:27 sad 02:27 go* 02:28 [US] bleeko (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) genocided class t, on T:76951 02:28 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/503281133438369792/1171637313600765972/IMG_3812.jpg?ex=655d6747&is=654af247&hm=835389762c8883eff76f354b643bd4c99d3d83eacbe158c1f9ac5461cd38a14a& 02:28 [US] bouquet (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:800 02:28 damn right in the path of the boulder 02:28 [US] bouquet (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed +2 cloak of magic resistance", on T:811 02:29 ...with a wand of striking tho 02:29 :c 02:29 bouquet, nice early wand! 02:29 yeah should’ve struck that mf 02:29 [US] bouquet (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed +2 gauntlets of power", on T:814 02:30 nice 02:30 Werid where is the @ in that game. 02:30 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:30 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 02:30 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 02:30 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 02:30 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 02:30 [EU] [D]: post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 0 points, 402 turns, slipped while mounting a saddled pony (and 9 other games not reported) 02:31 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 02:31 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 02:32 the alternating of wishes with pots games is a nice contrast 02:32 the goat of pony deaths has returned 02:32 it is still so fucking funny to me that post is on the “Notable Players” wiki page 02:33 omg hp/pw levelup gains aren't throttled in tnnt 02:33 ngl that annoyed me for quite a bit 02:33 also xdminsy they were invisible 02:33 * terrapin laughs maniacally 02:33 you can't see your glyph while invisible 02:33 terrapin that means they arent throttled in vanilla either 02:33 (unless you have see invis) 02:33 game mechanics are untouched 02:33 yeah 02:34 i'd thought it was in 3.6 for some reason 02:34 3.7 nerfs it I think 02:34 Ah I see. 02:34 TIL there's a notable players page :P 02:34 you can get on it if you do funny stuff 02:34 that page is dated 02:35 yeah, like most of the community-related pages on the wiki 02:35 if I beat tariru’s streak someone put me on there please 02:36 [US] jackofclubs (Bar Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed ring of slow digestion", on T:31331 02:36 You can beat tariru if you counts fast deaths :P 02:36 heh 02:36 [US] [D]: qt (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1777 points, 1290 turns, killed by a soldier ant 02:36 Lol. 02:36 same soldier ant that got you in minetown nabru 02:36 just you watch, I’ll streak this game into the ground 02:36 K2: I find that hard to believe 02:37 [US] Scuzzery (Mon Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:7945 02:37 [US] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:21527 02:37 kodon that the notable players page is dated? 02:38 [US] arnibald (Rog Orc Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed greased rustproof +2 cloak of magic resistance", on T:47561 02:38 that tnnt hasn't been altered 02:38 It's rather strange that my recent maybe 10 water demons are all hostile :( 02:38 ah 02:38 kodon: optional content and stuff has been added but the actual mechanics of the game aren't changed 02:38 -!- crunchbubba has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 02:38 Isn't it a 3.7 change? 02:38 yes tnnt has been altered as in there are side branches, the achievement system, etc 02:38 but how the game works and behaves vs vanilla 3.6.7 is unchanged 02:38 [US] jackofclubs (Bar Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed touchstone", on T:31547 02:39 [AU] ranchyang96 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) rejected atheism by offering a gnomish wizard corpse on an altar of The Lady, on T:3629 02:39 [AU] ranchyang96 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by The Lady, on T:3629 02:39 feel free to look over the github repo for verification 02:40 still, i've never gone this long in vanilla with such bad luck 02:40 can confirm, gameplay on nao 3.6.7 and tnnt 3.6.7 is near identical 02:40 your deposits are safe with yendorian trust fund 02:40 [US] arnibald (Rog Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed rustproof +2 jumping boots", on T:47569 02:40 kodon welcome to what we refer to as the RNG 02:41 K2: the NAO RNG just doesn't seem to be quite as cruel 02:41 last year I knocked out 11 asecnsions during tnnt, this year i'll be lucky to get 2 at the rate i'm going 02:41 rng hates me this year 02:41 K2: ah, so you've noticed it too 02:42 [US] disperse (Hea Gno Fem Neu) wished for "marker", on T:39923 02:42 it comes and goes 02:42 [US] arnibald (Rog Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:47576 02:42 like the sands in the hourglass, so ar ethe days of our lives 02:42 what would be one example of the bad luck you've experienced 02:42 ^ if you get this reference, you are old 02:42 anselmus, dying a few turns after wishing up that sweet artifact weapon 02:42 nethack is sort of like a soap opera now that you mention it 02:43 except that ais523 won't tell me who's cybering with whom 02:43 Like I have no bag of holding and no scrolls of identify this game. 02:43 UrinatingTree still makes those references so 02:43 what is up with orc town? observational bias by players, or is there than 1/8 frequency over the population space? 02:43 [US] stoicjin (Sam Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:8075 02:43 Already 20k turns but I haven't desend to level 8 :P 02:43 [US] disperse (Hea Gno Fem Neu) wished for "2 uncursed scrolls of genocide", on T:39927 02:43 Furey: I encountered my first orctown very recently 02:43 i love orctown 02:43 I don't know why I play all roles like convicts.. 02:43 although, I don't play variants/versions that have it that often 02:44 modified orctown in xnethack/evilhack is even better 02:44 [US] jackofclubs (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:31846 02:44 I like the level tactically but am dubious about what it does for the game strategically 02:44 Yes I think orctown is evilhack is really fancy. 02:44 yeah vanilla orctown is really rough 02:44 [US] disperse (Hea Gno Fem Neu) genocided class L, on T:39930 02:44 tell me about it 02:44 the xnh one is cool 02:44 I've had 3 protection rackets ruined this tournament by orctown 02:45 if you get fort ludios you can easily do the prot racket in the votd 02:45 [AU] Andrio (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:78288 02:45 [US] disperse (Hea Gno Fem Neu) genocided class h, on T:39933 02:45 brb 02:46 I think it isn't the prot racket at that point 02:46 -!- crunchbubba has joined #tnnt 02:47 -!- BEHiker91W has quit [Quit: Client closed] 02:48 [US] [D]: rvcx (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 468 points, 2248 turns, killed by a soldier ant (and 10 other games not reported) 02:49 $lastgame rcxv 02:49 richo: No last game for rcxv. 02:49 $lastgame rvcx 02:49 richo: [US] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rvcx/tnnt/dumplog/1699410267.tnnt.html 02:49 I consider protection racket is keeping at level 1. 02:49 YANI: guaranteed ring of protection in Orctown 02:49 I only get miffed by OrcTown if I was hoping to buy a ton of protection 02:49 like with my current TNNT Knight 02:50 also turns out I killed the only other shopkeep in the main dungeon for it and the remaining one sold tools 02:50 first time i saw orctown, i ascended. 02:50 minor setback but very annoying 02:50 the xnh/evil thing has some good consolation for lack of protection because you get some of the loot from the shops for free and Izchak is still there 02:50 [US] arnibald (Rog Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased rustproof +2 helm of brilliance", on T:47820 02:50 Casty rogue? o: 02:51 I would always want to buy soem protections in minetown. 02:51 If everybody buy some protections, would be much less deaths to those team q or team a. 02:51 Don't know how y'all rack up the money for protection 02:51 Vaults 02:51 I normally raid vaults 02:51 Tourists and Healers start with a bunch of money 02:51 Shops :P 02:52 I think this is a balance issue with the reduction in early-game gold 02:52 nowadays, gold balance is basically "you can't afford anything until you have a way to raid vaults, and then you can afford everything" 02:52 which makes the prices on items basically completely irrelvant 02:52 Not always, just as often I have to be picky about what I buy 02:52 but I do find a lot less gold than I'd like to generally 02:52 pre-Mines I generally have about $40 total 02:53 enough for maybe one identify scroll or a couple of uncursed potions of water 02:53 then once I have a vault raiding kit (typically a pick-axe) I have more like $1500 02:53 Tangent: vomiting by overeating (especially with magical breathing) cures food poisoning, right? 02:53 One shop can provide $1000~4000. 02:54 I tend to pick up everything I find when starting for the purposes of flogging the unwanted things in exchange for money 02:54 So that means one can always buy maybe around 5 points of AC? 02:54 Which is just as well for me but not necessarily ideal for anyone else 02:54 And dig some vaults, keeping at level 5 or 6. 02:54 And if the dungeon is sparse or else gives me too good things then lol 02:55 [US] jackofclubs (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:32426 02:56 [US] disperse (Hea Gno Fem Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 4 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:40596 02:56 [US] richo (Arc Gno Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:1229 02:56 That's the stable way to achieve AC if no wishes and no scrolls of enchant armor. 02:56 also ais523 you happen to know if overeating and vomiting works as I asked above? 02:57 Umbire: I think that vomiting cures FoodPois but not Ill, but I am not 100% confident and thus didn't volunteer an answer in case I ended up killing someone's character 02:58 Oh no this isn't mission critical 02:58 This is my usual "for wiki/sake of asking" thing 02:58 I am not sure whether vomiting by nausea and vomiting by overeating are different 02:58 well, if you put this on the wiki and I'm wrong, it might kill someone's character in the future :-) 02:58 safest to test in wizmode 02:58 Vomiting def. cures food poisoning that I can tell, which motivated me to double check overeating vomiting 02:58 [US] DekaFumoPuzzle (Kni Hum Fem Law) received Excalibur, on T:3061 02:59 Hmm 02:59 [US] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:24350 02:59 I tend to be limited in what I can test exactly in wizmode by the fact I simply do not erase my save after testing so 02:59 gonna call it a night, gnite everyone. great games and chat as usual o/ 02:59 I think I can swing this however 02:59 night K2 02:59 before you go though 02:59 night o/ 02:59 -!- efot has quit [Quit: Client closed] 03:00 Hourly Stats at 2023-11-08 03:00 UTC: Games: 29, Asc: 0, Scum: 12. 16043 turns, 14487 points. (94%Hum), 22d 20:59 remaining. 03:00 night K2 03:00 [US] arnibald (Rog Orc Fem Cha) was chosen to steal souls for the Glory of Kos, on T:48202 03:00 I will be going to bed soon myself 03:00 what's a good early game wish for a monk? 03:00 Depends on what you're aiming for with that monk 03:00 won't my to-hit suck if I wish for gdsm? should I just hold off and use the magic lamp for light now? 03:01 weaponless, armorless, etc. 03:01 high Luck is meant to compensate for it 03:01 i'm just aiming to survive!!! 03:01 qt: i go for gauntlets of power 03:01 If you want a defensive option then amulet of reflection or cloak of magic resistance are monk-friendly 03:01 Then maybe gdsm and carry pets then get the luckstone in mines end. 03:01 speed boots are good for basically any character, so I assume they're good for monks too 03:02 You don't need to kill monsters yourself, you can just survive with -15 AC to obtain luckstone. 03:02 Then maximize your luck then you can hit :) 03:02 K2, https://www.youtube.com/@UrinatingTree/search?query=Days%20of%20Our%20Steelers 03:02 [US] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) genocided class L, on T:24586 03:02 or anyone else sufficiently into sports 03:03 yeah what xdminsy is saying sounds reasonable... I will give that a shot and see how it goes. maybe I won't even get the wish (for the second time in a row) and it'll be moot 03:03 i play monk weaponless, no body armor, no shield, vegan 03:03 [US] qt (Mon Hum Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:2032 03:03 [US] BEHiker91W (Ran Elf Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:28627 03:03 Yes if you wanna survival the early game, most important is AC and reflection and MR. 03:03 ugh invoking at even 100 turns isn't guaranteed 03:03 Never was 03:04 You can just get a lot AC from dragon scale mail, and one reflection or MR. 03:04 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 03:04 13 luck and XL30 can compensate for the body armour penalty 03:04 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 03:05 Late hi, Furey 03:05 [US] haldisse (Tou Hum Fem Neu) averted death (killed by a dwarvish spear), on T:3569 03:05 Many players ascend at XL14. It's a -20 to-hit penalty so an XL30 monk with body armour will hit as an XL20 non-monk (ignoring everything else). 03:05 hi, umbire 03:05 s/20/10/ 03:06 s/XL20/XL10/ 03:06 alright, satiate my wizard ranger 03:06 "wizard ranger"? 03:06 I've tried once weaponless but carelessly hit with a pickaxe. 03:06 wish for and put on magical breathing... 03:06 Furey, wizmode ranger I should say 03:06 OPTIONS=!autodig helps with the pick-axe safety 03:07 My monk ascended with that option 03:07 I just had to unwield constantly like no one was watching 03:07 :3 03:07 [US] arnibald (Rog Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:48279 03:08 I feel like I've harped on too much about that asc, though 03:08 (proud as I am of it) 03:08 alright, now wish up cursed unihorn and... 03:08 [US] Spider74656 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4013 03:09 spam blessed horn after every few attempts because of course I'm gonna roll everything else but sickness because that's sheer statistics... 03:10 realize it only inflicts terminal illnes... 03:10 Yes if you wanna survival the early game, most important is AC and reflection and MR. ← MR isn't actually that relevant in the early game, it mostly only matters for saving SDSM from polytraps 03:10 it becomes a lot more imporant later 03:10 cure everything and wish for old corpse instead 03:10 [US] efot (Arc Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:14355 03:10 -!- blankman has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:10 -!- efot has joined #tnnt 03:10 and run immediately into a hurdle 03:10 [US] disperse (Hea Gno Fem Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 1 zorkmid for safe passage, on T:41665 03:10 How does one wish for an old corpse exactly 03:11 Yes, MR isn't neccesary in early game, I would always wish sdsm in 3.7. 03:11 I think there's an adjective that works 03:11 Then wish for comr at castle. 03:11 I forget which one offhand 03:11 This is 3.6.6 for the record 03:11 But I find that in 3.6 there're a lot arch-liches in castle, so I weigh MR higher. 03:11 [US] jackofclubs (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed Orcus, on T:33023 03:12 not a lot, usually only the 1 purple L is enough to give you trouble there 03:12 I'm gonna try a "zombie corpse" wish 03:12 If you don't use the only wish for MR, you may hard to obtain MR then. 03:12 castle isn't early game :-) 03:12 lmao random corpse instead 03:12 -!- blankman has joined #tnnt 03:12 let's try a figurine of a giant zombie 03:12 Yes, but I'll reach there definitely :P Need to consider that. 03:12 Umbire: "poisoned" is the appropriate adjective 03:13 In 3.7 it's very okay to obtain the castle wand without MR. 03:13 correct, thank you 03:13 but due to the way the "too old to eat" status is stored in-game, it just backdates the corpse to having been killed on T:1 03:13 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 03:13 so, if you do it right at the start of the game it won't work properly 03:13 [US] Spider74656 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:4130 03:13 I mean MR protects from things that aren't ToD 03:13 [US] crunchbubba (Ran Gno Mal Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Venus, on T:2848 03:13 curse items in particular 03:13 most of the relevant early-game things that MR blocks are also blocked by reflection 03:13 [US] BEHiker91W (Ran Elf Fem Cha) removed ais523's wand of polymorph (0:7) from the swap chest, on T:28881 03:13 now to overeat! 03:14 I have been having some success putting wands of polymorph into swap chests 03:14 [US] disperse (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed Orcus, on T:41821 03:14 …maybe I shouldn't spoil my secrets :-D 03:14 they're great utility for people not doing the conduct 03:14 exactly 03:14 ain't that big a secret :B 03:14 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 03:14 You stuff yourself and then vomit voluminously. You feel cured. What a relief! You can move again. 03:14 confirmed 03:15 [US] karafruit (Ran Elf Fem Cha) destroyed klipto's ghost, the former Joshu, on T:35630 03:16 Now another thing: isn't it possible to vomit from overeating without magical breathing, with a low chance? 03:16 and if so what're the probs on that 03:16 it is, but the chance is pretty small 03:16 from memory 5% but I may well have misremembered 03:16 wiki says yes, but i've never gone there 03:16 hmmmmmmm 03:16 if (Breathless || (!Strangled && !rn2(20))) { 03:16 I can dive eat.c for this 03:16 ah nvm 03:17 ty 03:17 and 3.7 makes it so that hunger causes you to always vomit from overeating, I think? 03:17 hey, devs, if you want to see heros die, change the chance of life-saving vomiting from 5% to 9% 03:17 ? 03:17 argh ... from 5% to 95% 03:17 🗞 03:18 I actually think that would reduce the death rate from overeating rather than increasing it 03:18 then people will treat them like wraith corpses and taking that 5% death chance, can't stay away 03:18 although I can see what you're getting at 03:18 lmao 03:18 hehe 03:18 accidental overeating is pretty common at the moment 03:18 oh, does phasing stop you sinking into lava any? 03:18 [US] [D]: qt (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 1229 points, 3781 turns, killed by a pit fiend 03:18 tnnt 2024 achievment, "vommit from every source" 03:18 wellll 03:18 make it set temporary HStrangled like in dnh 03:18 Oh fuck off 03:19 $lastgame qt 03:19 Umbire: [US] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/q/qt/tnnt/dumplog/1699411711.tnnt.html 03:19 xdminsy: your idea worked well but then I fell down a shaft and lost my pets. and then pit fiends showed up 03:19 lol 03:19 with the amount you can survive depending on con and you can pray to clear it 03:19 you put him dead to exactly "other things hitting poly traps" 03:19 ya jerk >:c 03:19 /j 03:19 Maybe you can find that polytrap and later polymorph your pet :) 03:20 it was worth the squeeze at least 03:20 yeah if he doesn't just die again 03:20 those pit fiends weren't naturally generated, at least – it is impossible for a monster to naturally be that out of depth 03:20 I think normal dogs or cats may not able to deal with pit fiends. 03:20 my guess is that a monster polymorph was involved somehow 03:20 Or just dive down to the end. 03:20 I already specified poly trap lamo 03:20 GDSM is only a good early monk wish if pacifist 03:20 yeah ais523 it was a gnome lord who jumped onto a polytrap when I was unable to hit him bc no pets 03:20 lmao* 03:20 [US] [D]: haldisse (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 3719 points, 4609 turns, killed by a mumak 03:20 well now I know the dangers of that maneuver ;) 03:21 No worries you can skip him :P 03:21 [US] stoicjin (Sam Hum Fem Law) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:10052 03:21 hmm, maybe this makes me more confident in my idea of speed boots – you might have been able to catch the gnome before it reached the polytrap 03:21 Pit fiends are slow. 03:21 that presumes you knew it was there 03:21 I did know it was there 03:21 also he got hemmed in and they're in a pretty important looking hallway 03:21 [US] arnibald (Rog Orc Fem Cha) has entered the Arena, on T:48673 03:22 [US] Scuzzery (Mon Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (disenchanter), on T:11112 03:22 I ran down that hallway because I briefly was able to outmaneuver them and was trying to find the upstairs to escape 03:22 maybe wouldn't be hemmed in if speed-booted away before pit find summoned second pit fiend 03:22 [US] stoicjin (Sam Hum Fem Law) had Fire Brand bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:11352 03:22 yeah I think speed boots would have been a better wish as it turns out 03:22 and it wasn't in that hallway, right? 03:22 [US] eitbo (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:47344 03:22 gop would have worked better too 03:22 looks like you would've last locationed it in the NW corner 03:22 the trap or the stairs? well, either way, no, neither was there 03:23 $where qt 03:23 supports my belief that mines fights are the best fights. 03:23 staits 03:23 yeah I think it has to have been there Umbire 03:23 it was pretty fun actually 03:23 $whereis qt 03:23 xdminsy: qt is not playing. 03:23 when you get some crazy monster from a polytrap even when you die it's fun IMO, as long as it's not some instakill and you are forced to try to outwit it 03:23 I have fun with that 03:23 Ah you died. 03:23 [US] Roke (Rog Hum Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (gremlin), on T:7664 03:23 -!- crunchbubba has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 03:23 yeah I died to some pit fiends xdminsy after falling down a shaft and losing my pets 03:24 I tamed 2 horses but it was too late 03:24 play time of 1 hour instead of 10 hours, real actual danger to character, and smart use of an item can make a difference 03:24 [US] arnibald (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed BEHiker91W the Lady in a deathmatch, on T:48712 03:25 that's what we were discussing whole time 03:25 Sad, that's the power of trap doors and polytraps :P 03:25 It's the danger of mines lol. 03:25 lol :B 03:25 uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 03:25 there is this brief moment in every nethack game between "not having any tools to get out of trouble" and "having all the tools and it is too easy" 03:25 [US] allanb (Pri Elf Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:18993 03:25 brief he says 03:25 Right, I was asking about lava - does phasing have any effect on that at all or no? 03:25 trap door in gehennom: oh bother, gotta remember which level to go up to and keep crawling 03:27 [US] Scuzzery (Mon Hum Fem Neu) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:11483 03:27 Umbire: doesn't seem like it 03:27 even as a xorn I get "stuck in the lava" in wizmode 03:27 I don't think phasing lets you move downwards through the floor 03:28 so at least it's consistent in that respect 03:28 Was thinking more "trudging your way out" 03:28 by walking towards land 03:28 but yeah I suppose that tracks 03:28 -!- crunchbubba has joined #tnnt 03:28 Umbire: oh, my mind's still stuck in lava-time-bug-land 03:28 [US] disperse (Hea Gno Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:42263 03:28 lmao 03:29 [US] disperse (Hea Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:42268 03:29 which would make that sort of test difficult 03:29 [US] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) found kitten, on T:27390 03:29 argh was gonna polypile at castle but came back to find tame R ate everything 03:29 why did you have a tame R 03:30 shenanigans? 03:30 I lost a lot of my second batch of arrows at the Castle to rust monsters 03:30 because charm? 03:30 but decided it was worth it 03:30 ah 03:30 [US] stoicjin (Sam Hum Fem Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:14711 03:30 yeah you don't exactly ever run out of arrows minus some really bad beats early on 03:30 as a ranger 03:30 [US] BEHiker91W (Ran Elf Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:29210 03:31 the change in approach that got me to that ascension, which felt like it might be something genuine rather than a coincidence 03:31 [US] disperse (Hea Gno Mal Neu) genocided disenchanter, on T:42372 03:31 is to focus hard on levelling up bow skill in the early game, even though it means spending ammo to do that (the +2, of course, because it levels you up with less ammo loss than the +0) 03:32 [US] disperse (Hea Gno Mal Neu) wished for "marker", on T:42372 03:32 ye 03:32 [US] anselmus (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) genocided class h, on T:9482 03:32 that gives you an emergency attack quickly enough to cover for your poor defences 03:32 [US] kodon (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:32933 03:32 [US] arnibald (Rog Orc Fem Cha) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:49021 03:32 then I sacfested for a usable melee weapon, and even though it was Orcrist, the difference between Orcrist and a dagger is really noticeable 03:32 (had to be sacfested for rather than named to unlock the skill) 03:35 -!- karafruit32 has quit [Quit: Client closed] 03:37 [US] eitbo (Tou Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:47826 03:37 good night all 03:37 [US] eitbo (Tou Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:47834 03:37 [US] [D]: Spider74656 (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 2155 points, 4156 turns, killed by a rabid rat (and one other game not reported) 03:37 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 03:38 [US] anselmus (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:9498 03:38 [US] [D]: crunchbubba (Ran Gno Mal Neu), 1146 points, 3802 turns, killed by a watchman, while disrobing 03:40 anselmus: daaamn 03:41 shh we don't want the real speedrunners to show up now do we 03:41 [US] [D]: allanb (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 65967 points, 20580 turns, burned by molten lava, while helpless 03:41 good night qt. 03:41 gn qt. 03:41 I really miss 3.7 that merge the saber and scimitar skills. 03:41 anselmus: I wouldn't mind watch ducky do it in 8k 03:42 [US] [D]: Roke (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 10486 points, 11540 turns, killed by an Uruk-hai, while praying 03:42 time to switch from Bar to Cav... 03:42 I like to dual-wield two scimitars in 3.7 then wish for grayswandir at castle. 03:42 Now I'm dual-wielding two elven daggers this game :P 03:44 $lastgame allanb 03:44 tjw: [US] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/a/allanb/tnnt/dumplog/1699387534.tnnt.html 03:45 kodon: yeah not sure if billdacat is playing this year 03:45 [US] allanb (Pri Elf Mal Cha) found kitten, on T:921 03:46 anselmus: the only speedrun that I have watch was ContraDuck waaay back when 03:46 s/watch/watched/ 03:47 there were so many pros then TT 03:47 -!- karafruit73 has joined #tnnt 03:48 [US] arnibald (Rog Orc Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:49653 03:49 [US] [D]: allanb (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 261 points, 1599 turns, killed by a small mimic 03:52 [US] DekaFumoPuzzle (Kni Hum Fem Law) destroyed qt's ghost, the former Novice, on T:6582 03:54 [US] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Master Kaen, on T:30135 03:54 [US] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:30146 04:00 [EU] blankman (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3493 04:01 [US] anselmus (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) bribed Asmodeus with 906 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:9776 04:01 [US] karafruit (Ran Elf Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:36255 04:02 [US] Scuzzery (Mon Hum Fem Neu) had Vorpal Blade bestowed upon her by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:13546 04:02 testing strangulation effects and you can apparently get "rotten metal" 04:02 very annoting 04:03 annoying* even 04:03 K2: i think that show is still on the air 04:07 [US] anselmus (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) bribed Baalzebub with 660 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:9818 04:07 [US] arnibald (Rog Orc Fem Cha) removed richo's can of grease (0:14) from the swap chest, on T:50540 04:08 huh. either grease is more useful than i thought, or the us swap chest is more depleted than i thought. 04:09 great. the titan medusa level... how hard is the death match anyway? 04:09 ha random conflict in gehennom 04:09 It's very useful 04:09 generally for helm/outer armor (usually cloak) 04:10 annoying to lose to stuff like pudding and rust mons but can be reapplied as necessary 04:10 also forgot I might've eaten magical breathing for that effect so my testing was worthless anyway 04:11 -!- karafruit73 has quit [Quit: Client closed] 04:12 kodon: death match not as hard or scary as intimidating dungeon messages make it out to be 04:14 I lost it once when the opponent had a trice corpse 04:15 i've retreated but haven't died 04:15 Go into the arena, scout your opponent, then come back later so any corpses rot 04:16 You physically cannot do that 04:16 At least not if you cross point of no return 04:16 Not actually into the arena, just the level 04:17 I should've phrased that better 04:17 [US] anselmus (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:9938 04:17 hero can discover name of npc before tile of no return, then player can check dumplogs (or just always leave, wait, come back) 04:18 [US] anselmus (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:9943 04:20 [US] a1 (Val Dwa Mal Law) wished for "2 blessed tins of spinach", on T:45802 04:21 kodon's char is xp 13, ac -14, 87 hp, wizard -- not strong enough for arena -- will fail to-hit on every attack 04:22 has anyone died in the arena and is there an achievement for it?] 04:22 dunno if anyone has died 04:23 [US] Scuzzery (Mon Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +2 boots of speed", on T:14763 04:23 [US] xdminsy (Tou Hum Fem Neu) polymorphed her first item, on T:24716 04:23 I mean do you think missile spam will work out for that char? 04:24 there's no achuevements for dying except the one specific achievemeny for using up AoLS 04:24 achievenemy 04:24 missile spam needs a to-hit roll 04:25 i usually write ach :) 04:26 I mean it probably won't be ENOUGH enough to count the damage output in usually-melee, just positing for sake of discussion 04:26 [US] haldisse (Tou Hum Fem Neu) destroyed haldisse's ghost, the former Excursionist, on T:4754 04:26 My monk had trouble hitting in melee let alone with a footrice egg or corpse 04:26 so I had to fall back on shuriken instead 04:26 i went in with xp 13 or xp 14 once 04:27 (usual max luck, no armor, no weapon, about... XL 15-17?) 04:27 I don't recall 04:27 dozens of attempts with a c egg all missed 04:27 To be fair my opp was a Spazm wiz that was -30 or so? 04:27 -38 in fact, I think 04:27 -!- karafruit95 has joined #tnnt 04:28 My npc killed nabru in the arena 04:29 during beta testing it was furey vs furey a couple of times 04:30 [US] DekaFumoPuzzle (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8313 04:30 if this c corpse holds up until orcus this will be quite the coup 04:30 Alright now, more "for wiki" questions: how do you stop a monster drowning you 04:30 I know you can scare them and put them to sleep but I can't remember much else off the top of my head 04:30 teleport, cold? 04:31 polymorph? 04:31 darn the level below him was no teleport 04:31 genocide? 04:31 And it's either teleporting you or the monster, doesn't matter which, right? 04:31 (barring obv. no-tele placeS) 04:32 [US] anselmus (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Orcus, on T:10145 04:32 o/ 04:32 gj 04:32 this lasted way more than 100 turns 04:32 barring non-tele levels which is mosr levels 04:33 I said that already Furey! 04:34 i mean to say, teleport self is pedantically correct, but usually not available 04:34 But it would work otherwise which is the important thing for me 04:35 (primarily applicable to swamps and I think fake wiz tower?) 04:35 fair enough 04:36 oilskin cloak is a good counter for not getting grabbed in the first place 04:36 Uh huh, I remember all that 04:36 Focusing on "if you were already grabbed" before that 04:36 since I remember those less 04:36 conflict? 04:37 I feel like that's just as likely to still kill you 04:37 unless that somehow forces a monster to let you go and attack another one instead 04:37 sure, low chance 04:38 charm monster works I'm sure 04:39 "oMB? 04:40 yeah i think i've even done that 04:40 [US] a1 (Val Dwa Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:46312 04:40 [US] a1 (Val Dwa Mal Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:46316 04:41 scroll of earth? 04:41 [US] [D]: haldisse (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 2887 points, 5629 turns, killed by a mumak 04:42 alright, think I got everything 04:43 [US] bouquet (Kni Hum Fem Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping 5 daggers on an altar, on T:3182 04:44 not "everything" everything but all answers so far are accounted for 04:45 cursed oilskin only works 2/3 of the time correct 04:46 [US] a1 (Val Dwa Mal Law) performed the invocation, on T:46542 04:46 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 04:47 yep, just checked 04:48 [US] efot (Arc Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:20172 04:49 -!- efot has quit [Quit: Client closed] 04:51 [US] bouquet (Kni Hum Fem Law) had Demonbane bestowed upon her by Lugh, on T:3946 04:52 [US] [D]: arthur (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 1985 points, 4536 turns, killed by a snake 04:52 [US] [D]: Masami (Val Hum Fem Law), 517 points, 2485 turns, killed by a wererat 04:55 I did not know that (strategy depends on oilskin cloaks) 04:56 [EU] [D]: NetSysFire (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 1115 points, 4108 turns, killed by a sasquatch 04:56 [EU] Arasaka (Cav Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:7803 04:56 Interesting, dying by digestion just returns you to normal form and spits you out 04:56 in 343 04:57 and that puts you at dead in one turn due to the bug 04:57 on the next digestion 04:58 [US] a1 (Val Dwa Mal Law) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:46892 04:59 [US] a1 (Val Dwa Mal Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:46899 04:59 gg a1 05:00 now to test in 3.6.6 05:01 [US] arthur (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:994 05:01 [EU] [D]: NetSysFire (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 450 points, 1119 turns, killed by a dwarf 05:01 The purple worm digests you! You feel wise! You must have been very observant. 05:03 [US] karafruit (Ran Elf Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a xorn, on T:37293 05:03 [EU] [D]: NetSysFire (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 18 points, 273 turns, killed by a black pudding 05:04 alright, so successful prayer stops digestion for those 3 turns, and being digested in polyform "lifesaves" as normal 05:06 [EU] [D]: NetSysFire (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 181 points, 454 turns, killed by a hobbit 05:06 [US] bouquet (Kni Hum Fem Law) destroyed Grouchy's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:4731 05:07 Opening magic works also 05:08 [US] [D]: bouquet (Kni Hum Fem Law), 7101 points, 4862 turns, killed by brainlessness 05:09 [US] [D]: haldisse (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 161 points, 807 turns, killed by a jackal 05:09 grouchy, I tried to avenge your death but I ran out of brains :( 05:09 [EU] [D]: Arasaka (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 14426 points, 9032 turns, killed by a gray unicorn (and one other game not reported) 05:09 left sweet bones, though! 05:09 Minesflayer? 05:09 ya 05:10 >: 05:10 found a WoW on dlvl 1 and loaded up 05:10 had it all... SDSM, CoMR, magic whistle, dragonbane, BoH, Magic Lamp. Someone is going to get lucky! 05:11 early WoW games aren't my jam, though. I prefer the struggle. 05:11 Everything but a greased helm eh 05:11 no wands? 05:11 ...also why Dragonbane? Force of habit? 05:13 did have a greased helm. 05:13 the minesflayer was too fast 05:13 $lastgame bouquet 05:13 Umbire: [US] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/b/bouquet/tnnt/dumplog/1699407224.tnnt.html 05:13 got dragonbane as a sacgift 05:14 Oh that's rough 05:15 No Elbereth? 05:15 I never elbereth. Just never got in the habit. 05:16 No suitable implements for a guaranteed one anyway 05:16 Minesflayers are a reason why it's sometimes just better to run 05:17 [EU] NetSysFire (Pri Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:1480 05:19 It's taken me till now to really work past my <=3.4 engraving habits 05:19 -!- Waffa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:19 For instance I never genocided L's because athames are the most powerful weapon in 3.4.3 :-) 05:20 it's gotta suck even worse for literate pacifists now 05:21 [US] BEHiker91W (Ran Elf Fem Cha) made her first wish - "magic marker", on T:30456 05:23 [US] [D]: haldisse (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 250 points, 1450 turns, killed by a giant bat 05:25 here's a new one: my Cavewoman just found a katana on level 1. Should be an interesting game. 05:25 -!- crunchbubba has quit [Quit: Client closed] 05:26 Cav can't advance long sword at all, but its +1 to-hit bonus & high avg dmg might give me some kind of chance...? 05:31 [US] [D]: haldisse (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 274 points, 1464 turns, killed by a gnome lord 05:33 [US] [D]: haldisse (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 39 points, 271 turns, killed by a falling rock 05:34 [US] arthur (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:3775 05:35 [US] tjw (Bar Orc Mal Cha) had Grimtooth bestowed upon him by Set, on T:53375 05:36 [US] [D]: BEHiker91W (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 338279 points, 30832 turns, killed by a gray dragon called 2 05:37 -!- BEHiker91W has joined #tnnt 05:37 I need to go back to my stash on DL21. Walk there and back with the AoY, or drop the AoY on DL1 and levelport? 05:38 Hopium sacrifice for long sword first gift? 05:38 At worst you unrestrict 05:38 if I find the right altar, definitely. 05:38 Tricky stuff, that hopium. 05:39 -!- BEHiker91W has quit [Client Quit] 05:39 yes, I never plan on it in RL, but in a game, I'll try it. 05:40 As for Nesta it depends on what you need to get from stash - drop and levelport is much quicker generally 05:41 By a few factors, I'd think 05:41 [EU] [D]: NetSysFire (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 7080 points, 5419 turns, killed by a soldier ant 05:41 classic 05:41 F 05:41 go team a 05:41 So if I levelport, when I come back with my luck Rodney will be there waiting with the amulet 05:42 levelport. I've done it. Stash it under a boulder though 05:42 i had gdsm 05:42 Rodney only goes after you, he doesn't just queue up on a completely different level unless you left him there in the first place 05:42 my other thought is to do the sploit where you make him flee to the planes without you 05:42 i had spellbook of id 05:42 (or he levelported there) 05:42 right but I mean when I arrive on DL1 he would spawn and beat me to the square 05:42 Honestly I'd just do that at this point if you're this intent 05:42 [US] karafruit (Ran Elf Fem Cha) has entered the Arena, on T:39329 05:42 Also there's no guarantee he would 05:42 NetSysFire: I just left some awesome bones in the mines. You should go find them 05:42 i died in frickin soko 05:43 so no bones :( 05:43 Some of my AK is on DL21 05:43 Unless his harassment schedule determines that he spawns at that exact moment 05:43 can we get rodney banned for harassment 05:43 pretty sure thats against our coc 05:43 there's an element of "with my luck" ... this game has been super super easy the whole time 05:43 !pom 05:43 so I'm sure I'm gonna die 1 turn before the ascension ritual 05:44 "The moon is waning crescent; new moon in 4 days." 05:44 we're here to chear you on (or jeer you for failing)! 05:44 Gentledoubleenners, what is the thought behind the expression "allowed to die" in the conducts summary? 05:45 fairly sure you can rob rodney, your quest nemesis and so on instead of letting them die 05:45 It's a funny way of saying "if it died on your turn, you killed it." 05:45 [US] haldisse (Tou Hum Fem Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1317 05:45 * docpi ahas 05:45 Aha 05:46 So Rodney won't steal the AoY from under a boulder and it'll allow itself to be under there 05:46 [US] karafruit (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed blankman the Wayfarer in a deathmatch, on T:39364 05:46 Pretty sure. 05:46 If you levelport and land near your stash you can be back in a just a few turns 05:47 ^ 05:47 sorry to be so squeamish, this is only my 2nd time with the amulet in 3.6 and the best I've ever done in a tourney 05:47 and the 1st time Rodney & his summoning horde YASD'd me 05:48 if you take a bag of holding from the deathmatch, is it empty? 05:48 It happens to the best of us 05:48 karafruit95, yes 05:48 You get the singular item (stack) you pick from their inventory 05:48 gotcha 05:48 [US] jackbunny (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:56650 05:49 items that were originally yours don't count, for projectile users 05:49 (can confirm from direct experience) 05:49 time for a game of "guess which boots are speed" 05:49 [US] [D]: terrapin (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 566408 points, 44949 turns, killed by Nalzok, while dressing up 05:50 Oh sweet jesus 05:50 $lastgame terrapin 05:50 Umbire: [US] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/t/terrapin/tnnt/dumplog/1699307701.tnnt.html 05:50 What happened? 05:52 [US] DekaFumoPuzzle (Kni Hum Fem Law) found kitten, on T:11206 05:52 [US] [D]: docpi (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 614 points, 1988 turns, killed by a small mimic 05:53 Yes, wielding a dagger instead of your regular weapon because you forgot to switch back after you forced open a locked container does that to you. 05:54 oh nooo 05:55 -!- fakepass has joined #tnnt 05:55 [US] jackbunny (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:56664 05:56 [US] jackbunny (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 gauntlets of power", on T:56666 05:56 -!- karafruit95 has quit [Quit: Client closed] 05:58 -!- elenmirie has joined #tnnt 06:00 Current Day as of 2023-11-08 06:00 UTC: Games: 221, Asc: 2, Scum: 163. 313609 turns, 4692376 points. 4d 13:06 gametime. (26%Kni), (69%Hum), (41%Law), (69%Fem), 22d 17:59 remaining. 06:00 Umbire a succubus took off all my armor 06:01 [US] [D]: mindcool (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 542 points, 1372 turns, killed by a wand 06:01 had no MR, started to put my GDSM back on, never finished 06:01 No way to get off level? 06:01 i was on the stairs, so i went up, but nalzok followed 06:02 maybe i should have ?oEarthed and levelported 06:02 [US] [D]: bouquet (Kni Hum Fem Law), 944 points, 2539 turns, killed by a gnome king 06:02 forgot how long putting GDSM took 06:02 Teleporting yourself and then levelporting also 06:02 GDSM on took 06:02 That's shit, man, I'm sorry 06:02 it happens 06:02 [US] oh6 (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided white unicorn, on T:58307 06:02 third time's the charm! 06:03 If you are not invisible, you can apply a mirror to foocubi. 06:03 oh neat 06:03 ...that's for nymphs dude 06:04 [US] oh6 (Val Dwa Fem Law) murdered her faithful hill orc, on T:58311 06:04 for nymphs they'll take it and port away. Other monsters may be frightened by their appearance. 06:04 [US] oh6 (Val Dwa Fem Law) murdered her faithful hill orc, on T:58312 06:04 [US] oh6 (Val Dwa Fem Law) murdered her faithful hill orc, on T:58313 06:04 -!- raisse has joined #tnnt 06:04 ...everything okay over there 06:04 Mirrors work on foocubi too. 06:04 Oh, so it does. 06:04 Incidentally dragons can still apply mirrors. 06:05 (testing #monster aimed at self) 06:05 That's why I often carry one mirror with me, though often I'm invisble :P 06:05 silver dragons ARE basically mirrors 06:05 physical mirrors 06:06 It's painful to dual-wield two +0 elven daggers to reach castle. 06:06 Next time I would try to train long sword or whatever. 06:06 ...why ARE you dual wielding daggers 06:06 $whereis xdminsy 06:06 Umbire: [US] xdminsy : (Tou Hum Fem Neu) T:31102 The Dungeons of Doom level: 26 06:06 Cuz I want to save my skill slots lol. 06:06 There's so many weapons that work fine with two weaponing, you don't need expert lmao 06:07 You'll also have skill slots to spare, Basic in most weapons is Enough™ for a Tourist to use them effectively 06:07 esp. when it comes to artiweapons 06:07 [EU] [D]: blankman (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1276 points, 7696 turns, killed by a bolt of lightning 06:07 I usually train daggers and darts and sabers, I'm not sure if level 14 is enough. 06:08 I would go 2 long swords next time :( 06:08 You don't need to train up daggers That Much, and you can save slots avoiding spellcasting 06:09 Skilled is as high as you need to go, and a saber + like, a short sword will do ya fine 06:09 's what I did for my local tourist 06:09 (MBane + short sword) 06:09 Yes, I like to dual-wield two scimitars. 06:10 Not good my wishing wand is 0:1 again. 06:10 I think I need Grayswandir and boh. 06:11 I had a tourist once who was as good a spellcaster as your average orc wizard, but that was an outlier 06:11 [US] jackbunny (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed ring of teleport control", on T:57453 06:11 usually for weapons I try for Magicbane and a saber 06:11 Not really? 06:12 Well it might've been an outlier for your playstyle 06:12 [US] xdminsy (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed bag of holding", on T:31347 06:12 I think my playstyle is an outlier for tourists, I see so many people concentrate on weapons 06:13 I may only cast as wizards or monks. 06:13 I focus on whatever takes my fancy at the moment 06:14 xdminsy: you don't play priests? 06:14 My priests often just go Excalibur. 06:15 It's much smooth to play tourist in 3.7 that I can just dualwield two scimitars than reach castle and wish for Grayswandir :P 06:15 (in other news: I'm now doing the soko zoo EXTREMELY PATIENTLY, tapping one monster on the shoulder and taking it into the corridor to fight, hoping I don't stumble into the floating eye and the yellow light doesn't explode at me 06:15 I just try the same strategy that dual-wielding the 2 elven daggers. 06:15 Well it has so few damage lol. 06:16 You don't need but so much damage to win (and you can just magic missile if you care that much) 06:16 [speaking generally, I know YOU you actually do care] 06:16 [US] [D]: haldisse (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 2102 points, 4472 turns, killed by a straw golem 06:16 Lol yes I see a lot people ascend with maybe only +1 normal artefact. 06:17 [US] [D]: mindcool (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 1302 points, 1319 turns, killed by a gnome 06:17 I use mjollnir in my previous tourist, I think it's pity that not using grayswandir :P 06:18 Mjollnir is a baller choice even if it falls off around Sanctum 06:18 This game I have maybe 3 neutral altars, and I do tried sacrifice a lot but no gifts. 06:18 Then I just do the grayswandir things lol. 06:19 [EU] Raisse (Arc Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:9743 06:20 lol just got Boy Scout in spite of reading the scroll of earth and breaking all those boulders 06:20 aw spazm splatted just when it was getting interesting 06:21 [EU] elenmirie (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 76 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:34976 06:21 ? 06:21 You mean the samurai? 06:22 going for 6, one shotted by centipede poison 06:22 Thought so 06:22 [US] Unguarded1765 (Mon Hum Fem Neu) became Chih Sung-tzu's Envoy of Balance, on T:44300 06:23 The tournament RNG is mocking me: I heard the chime of a cash register, searched around in vain for a while, found a secret door to a closet, then found a secret door which led to a passage to a room with another secret door with a closed, then another secret doors, and another secret door with a secret passage, and then she shop was closed for inventory. 06:24 * anselmus also loves starting a streak game with wiz (no food) then being unable to find food or the stairs 06:24 [US] [D]: mindcool (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 308 points, 825 turns, killed by a water moccasin 06:25 In that case, anselmus, you can still pray your way to the next flesh golem. 06:25 Sort of. 06:26 if i even bothered to kill anything at that point 06:26 and then you've also got the lovely moons in play 06:26 Moons? Whose? 06:27 moon phases 06:27 Was there a moonfest that I missed? 06:27 !pom 06:27 * docpi frantically starts moo- "Oh, _that_ moon." 06:27 $pom 06:27 [US] xdminsy (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:32020 06:28 [07:27] raisse: The moon is waning crescent; new moon in 4 days. 06:28 yay, 4 points AC from the priest of camaxtli in minetown 06:28 (on the first donation, and another on the second, and now I'm out of soko money) 06:29 "Waning crescent"? Hah. I only ever want to know about Mornington Crescent. 06:31 5 is often decent enough 06:31 I like to try for full 9 if I can though 06:32 Does "waxing descent" involve some downstairs, hairlessness, and full clothing? 06:32 You can often buy 5 points in ealry game. 06:32 * docpi chuckles 06:33 [US] a1 (Val Dwa Mal Law) entered the Planes, on T:49286 06:33 [US] a1 (Val Dwa Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:49287 06:33 [US] [D]: mindcool (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 210 points, 732 turns, poisoned by a rotted kobold corpse 06:34 [US] [D]: docpi (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 522 points, 1670 turns, killed by a werejackal, while frozen by a monster's gaze 06:35 [US] Nesta (Ran Elf Mal Cha) genocided class P, on T:120889 06:35 [US] Nesta (Ran Elf Mal Cha) genocided class R, on T:120890 06:35 Those sneaky floating eyes! 06:35 I bump into them too often. 06:36 * docpi develops a serious genocidal concept involving floating eyes 06:36 [US] [D]: terrapin (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 389 points, 422 turns, killed by a newt 06:36 Is terrapin actually Dudley in disguise? 06:38 [EU] Raisse (Arc Dwa Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:11640 06:41 [US] anselmus (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) genocided class ;, on T:10436 06:41 [EU] Raisse (Arc Dwa Fem Law) removed spazm's uncursed +0 unicorn horn from the swap chest, on T:11761 06:41 this dungeon is very short on actual unicorns, there's a white one in soko that I don't want to kill 06:42 and there's nothing reflective in there 06:42 You do not have to do it yourself, raisse. You can have your pets do it for you! 06:42 [US] [D]: terrapin (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 161 points, 638 turns, killed by a bear trap 06:42 Kill-and-revive gambit using a pet that doesn't eat meat? 06:43 Oh you got one, nvm 06:43 oh I'll rephrase, "that I don't want killed" 06:43 Unihorns are a thing everyone needs so there should always be some in the chest 06:43 because I can identify gems and throw them at it when I need extra luck 06:43 [US] tsingi (Rog Orc Fem Cha) destroyed mindcool's ghost, the former Pillager, on T:3099 06:43 raisse, once you have a luckstone, you just max out your luck, and then can harvest the horn. 06:44 don't need to do that any more so I can just leave it alone for emergencies 06:44 Also, touchstones are useful for identifying jewels. 06:44 that's why I'm identifying gems now, usually don't bother with gems at all when I'm not an arc 06:45 I always collect gems tbh 06:45 well i guess i'm off to the planes then :-( 06:45 I once kept a dragon just downstairs from my main stash. I killed, and revived it repeatedly to get its scales, and drops. 06:46 I did that maybe a dozen times, maybe more. I was wondering whath the poor monster was thinking. 06:46 the !lev i got from swap chest for castle went unused and proves to be my ticket to the planes instead 06:46 Except, of course, for "Oh no. Not again!" 06:47 [US] [D]: terrapin (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 19 points, 197 turns, killed by a goblin 06:47 "eh? did I dream I was dead or something?" 06:48 [US] [D]: mindcool (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 523 points, 1387 turns, poisoned by a rotted orc corpse 06:48 raisse: Only to get killed on the next turn. It could not escape the room it was in, so it was quite a horrible scene. 06:52 [US] xdminsy (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the Master of Thieves, on T:33390 06:52 [US] xdminsy (Tou Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:33391 06:53 [US] xdminsy (Tou Hum Fem Neu) made her first artifact wish - "blessed greased fixed +2 Grayswandir", on T:33394 06:53 Oh my dear grayswandir disappear :P 06:53 Your QA counts for artifacts 06:53 [US] xdminsy (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 Grayswandir", on T:33395 06:53 The time to make that wish was before you hit the goal level 06:53 xdminsy: Forbidden wish? 06:54 I have no artifacts, or is that cool shirt counts when I enter devteam office? 06:54 If that counts I would avoid entering that next time :) 06:54 [US] [D]: terrapin (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 140 points, 517 turns, killed by a crossbow bolt 06:54 That should be one 06:55 so 2/3 chance? 06:55 Yes but I think I need a boh to protect my WoW, so then I need pyec to recharge it. 06:55 Shirt and PYEC make two 06:56 Yes I deliberately didn't receive the shirt :( 06:56 but seems it still generates. 06:56 If the shirt isn't generated yet it shouldn't count 06:57 so yeah should be 1 06:57 I'm not sure, I didn't give the last code to devteam. 06:57 Maybe another artifact get generated somewhere I didn't notice. 06:58 [US] [D]: terrapin (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 451 points, 404 turns, killed by a gnome lord 06:58 xdminsy, on the floor somewhere, or sitting pretty in a shop. 06:59 -!- mobileuser has joined #tnnt 07:00 Hourly Stats at 2023-11-08 07:00 UTC: Games: 14, Asc: 0, Scum: 0. 0d 07:03 gametime. (36%Orc), 22d 16:59 remaining. 07:00 [EU] elenmirie (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:35812 07:00 That's rather annoying to find where is an artifact :( 07:02 when doing confused levport does scroll beatitude help? 07:02 xdminsy, the mazes in Gehennom are annoying (as hell! haha!), too, so the game does have its unappealing sides. 07:03 Lol yes I got sent back a lot of times yesterday. 07:03 Really made me somwhat mad. 07:04 I feel like it doesn't? 07:04 dunno for sure 07:04 [US] rvcx (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "the blessed eyes of the overworld", on T:9117 07:05 [US] bleeko (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:85453 07:06 [US] bleeko (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:85458 07:09 hahhhhhhhh I forgot I was playing as a gnome 07:09 And you genocided G? 07:09 no, I sacced one 07:10 and my god felt introducing me to jubilex would be a reasonable retort 07:11 At least you got an ach for it 07:11 Ah that's pretty severe punishment. 07:11 [US] bleeko (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:85506 07:11 [EU] elenmirie (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:36601 07:11 true! and it was on dlvl1 so I can probably just never go there again 07:12 [EU] elenmirie (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:36604 07:12 I actually figured I would get sick trying to run away 07:12 in which you remember Juiblex is slow 07:12 also you get a unicorn horn and a wand of digging and you're good to make free exp 07:13 At least Dlvl1 won't be a roadblock until you are ready to take him on 07:13 yeah exactly 07:13 Does digging deal half damage to Juiblex too? 07:13 although the only altar I've seen was there 07:13 That's 3.7/Evil 07:13 3.6.7 it still sets him to 1 07:14 Ah that's too powerful. 07:15 lol and now I got myself punished because of course angering your god means you can't make holy water 07:16 Yeah you kinda need to mollify them first lmao 07:16 Deeper you go 07:17 ayup, also now I need to remember how on earth to get rid of the ball 07:18 [US] [D]: terrapin (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 409 points, 1496 turns, killed by a fox 07:18 [US] anselmus (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:10701 07:18 [US] anselmus (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:10702 07:19 -!- botifico has quit [Server closed connection] 07:21 $lastgame docpi 07:21 richo: [US] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/d/docpi/tnnt/dumplog/1699422835.tnnt.html 07:22 [US] rvcx (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:10474 07:24 [US] xdminsy (Tou Hum Fem Neu) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:34712 07:25 [US] anselmus (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:10814 07:25 [US] [D]: schoen (Bar Hum Fem Neu), 122 points, 1038 turns, killed by a potion of acid 07:26 [US] [D]: richo (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 2216 points, 4586 turns, killed by a blue jelly 07:27 [US] [D]: schoen (Bar Hum Fem Neu), 35 points, 141 turns, killed by a goblin 07:27 richo: My games so far are odd. 07:28 richo: Are you looking for something specific? 07:31 [US] [D]: schoen (Bar Hum Fem Neu), 243 points, 1069 turns, killed by a hobbit 07:31 richo: do you want spoilers for the ball? 07:32 docpi: I found your bones, I think it's kosher to use lastgame to see what was in them? 07:32 raisse: it doesn't directly matter, I convinced myself hitting that jelly once more wouldn't hurt me too bad 07:33 but I think remove curse is the easiest way? I still hadn't seen ID so I had no idea what my scrolsl were (and they were mostly cursed) 07:33 yes, remove curse will remove it, or you can have a nymph steal it, and sometimes $DEITY will think it's a major problem 07:34 I have so many scrolls labeled ZLORFIK that I think it's identify (I do know what teleport is) 07:35 raisse, richo was punished by their deity lmao 07:35 oh right, I remember that now 07:36 [US] anselmus (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:10895 07:36 [US] anselmus (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:10898 07:39 [US] tsingi (Rog Orc Fem Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon her by Kos, on T:4203 07:40 -!- Bleeko has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:43 Of course, richo, I can tell you all about my bones. Sorry for the poor loot. My games so far sucked. 07:45 [EU] elenmirie (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) wished for "3 blessed scrolls of genocide", on T:38311 07:45 [US] rvcx (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) removed Shrigis' wand of polymorph (0:5) from the swap chest, on T:11745 07:46 [EU] elenmirie (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:38313 07:53 [US] rvcx (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:12354 07:59 [EU] elenmirie (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:38682 07:59 [EU] elenmirie (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:38691 08:00 -!- Arseniy has joined #tnnt 08:01 [EU] elenmirie (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:38720 08:01 [EU] elenmirie (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:38733 08:06 [EU] Raisse (Arc Dwa Fem Law) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:17312 08:07 richo? 08:08 [US] [D]: terrapin (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 4139 points, 4458 turns, killed by a yeti 08:11 [US] [D]: schoen (Bar Hum Fem Neu), 4277 points, 8123 turns, killed by a jaguar, while frozen by a monster's gaze 08:12 -!- a1 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:16 [US] anselmus (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:11724 08:18 [US] anselmus (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:11798 08:18 lol I tamed a kitten and it promptly turned into a chickatrice 08:19 I love shapechanger pets (though they usually don't last long) 08:19 [US] [D]: walkera (Val Hum Fem Neu), 6911 points, 6981 turns, poisoned by a giant spider 08:19 [EU] elenmirie (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:39002 08:19 [EU] elenmirie (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:39006 08:21 [US] xdminsy (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed wand of polymorph", on T:35556 08:22 [US] rvcx (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) destroyed NetSysFire's ghost, the former Acolyte, on T:14913 08:23 [US] BEHiker91W (Bar Orc Mal Cha) found kitten, on T:1573 08:30 [EU] Raisse (Arc Dwa Fem Law) murdered Shifty, her faithful chameleon, on T:19573 08:30 eek! 08:31 I was blind, and it was temporarily brainless, I think 08:31 Mindless but yeah 08:31 Mindless, yes. 08:35 [US] [D]: walkera (Val Hum Fem Neu), 595 points, 2118 turns, killed by a hill orc, while fainted from lack of food 08:38 -!- stenno has joined #tnnt 08:41 raisse, because of infravision? 08:43 -!- noims has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:43 [EU] elenmirie (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:40550 08:44 -!- arahael has joined #tnnt 08:49 [US] rvcx (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:17314 08:52 [EU] elenmirie (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 336 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:41338 08:52 [US] [D]: walkera (Val Hum Fem Neu), 824 points, 2412 turns, killed by a gnome lord 08:54 [US] rvcx (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:17396 08:58 docpi because of telepathy if your pet is mindless and you are blind. nothing to do with infravision 08:59 Ah, mobileuser. I had assumed infravision because raisse was playing as a gnome. 08:59 dwarf, but same difference :-) 09:03 [US] walkera (Val Hum Fem Neu) found kitten, on T:1822 09:04 [US] xdminsy (Tou Hum Fem Neu) became The Lady's Envoy of Balance, on T:36141 09:06 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 156309 points, 24398 turns, killed by a death ray 09:06 medusa zapped me with a wand of death! I hope it bounced and killed her as well 09:07 comes from trying to be Actual Perseus 09:08 I haven't played a single gnome yet this tournament! only orc and dwarf (but yes, they both have infravision too) 09:08 anyway infravision doesn't do anything when you're blind 09:08 ouch 09:10 I had neither reflection nor magic resistance, and not enough XP for the quest 09:10 I shouldn't have gone upstairs to medusa but downstairs to the castle (but then the soldiers might have had wands of death too) 09:11 !lastgame raisse 09:11 .lastgame raisse 09:11 $lastgame raisse 09:11 raisse: [EU] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/R/Raisse/tnnt/dumplog/1699394410.tnnt.html 09:11 pff 09:11 medusa with wand of death, that is extremely unlucky 09:12 Isn't there any reflection or MR in the swap chest? 09:12 -!- HalNovek has joined #tnnt 09:13 not when I got there, I got a unicorn horn 09:13 [EU] lacca (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:3130 09:13 would certainly have got reflection or MR if there had been any 09:14 well, that's enough arc for a while, I'll go and punish myself with tourists 09:14 That's pity, the useful things would be taken out quickly :P 09:14 and you don't see everything that's in the chest, I think, just a selection 09:14 at least you never see your own things 09:15 You can call somebody in the channel put something into it. 09:15 but *you don't see everything that's in the chest* 09:15 Yes, but last time shadowrider put in a marker then I got it. 09:15 It's possible to do that, if you are lucky. 09:15 it's not guaranteed though 09:16 I think you see the most recent n items in your region, where n is around 30 09:16 and items are shuffled occasionally 09:16 I have been wondering how the fact is handled that if you can put more items in the chest, but can only take one out, the selection would grow infinitely overt ime. 09:16 This time, an item has a 60% chance of staying in the same region 09:16 *sigh* that's why you don't see everything, just a selection 09:17 [US] [D]: walkera (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1335 points, 3111 turns, killed by a gnome 09:17 [EU] [D]: lacca (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 7521 points, 3645 turns, killed by a fall onto poison spikes 09:17 docpi I suspect old items just fall off the end 09:17 Yes, raisse, but do items eventually disappear for good, or does the pool grow indefinitely until the end of the tournament? 09:17 -!- a1 has joined #tnnt 09:17 * docpi hms 09:17 Hm. 09:17 docpi: I don't know 09:18 I think not everybody put 3 items into it. 09:18 Maybe many only put one and get one if they are not easily to ascend? 09:19 But they _could_, xdminsy, and some do, so I was wondering about the consequences, and handling, of that specific rule. 09:20 [US] xdminsy (Tou Hum Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:36464 09:23 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 376 points, 1302 turns, killed by a water moccasin 09:23 I usually put 2-3 in depending on what I've got 09:25 lol finally found an elven helm wearing elf lord but didn't notice the gel cube behind it which promptly ate it after he was killed 09:26 Oh I found there's a Giantslayer in castle, well. 09:32 [US] [D]: walkera (Val Hum Fem Neu), 724 points, 1759 turns, killed by a gnome 09:32 [US] anselmus (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:12686 09:32 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Law) received Excalibur, on T:168917 09:33 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 09:33 Bollocks. I forgot using a HoOA would remove by 21 points of intrinsic protection :( 09:34 [US] xdminsy (Tou Hum Fem Neu) removed iyarkonan's uncursed +0 silver saber from the swap chest, on T:36913 09:34 That's cool my 4 or 5 captains didn't give me even one silver saber. 09:35 But the only weapon in my swap chest is the silver saber :P 09:35 21 points oh my 09:35 Thank you iyarkonan. 09:35 nice, sabers are awesome 09:35 Then how's your AC now? 09:35 anselmus yeah and I've already unalived all the priests in the game :( 09:35 AC is at -36, idk how I'll ever deal with this 09:36 I had 100k gold and drained myself to level 1 and donated it all 400 at a time lol 09:36 also anselmus, nice speed ascension you've got going :D gl 09:36 :( 09:37 ty 09:37 You killed the priest in votd? 09:37 I always leave them alive. 09:37 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:37 Okay then -36 is still fine :P 09:38 yep, doing an extinctionist thing and killing everything in the game except the Devteam, Izchak, and Karlach (the succubus I used to level up) 09:38 i'm sure you're still invincible, but 09:38 Cool extinctionist, good luck. 09:43 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 09:43 -!- raisse has joined #tnnt 09:44 [US] xdminsy (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:37212 09:47 [US] xdminsy (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:37418 09:50 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:53 [US] xdminsy (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Orcus, on T:37710 09:54 god the plane of water is such a troll 09:55 watching anselmus's ascension :) 09:55 xdminsy, by the time I get to the Valley of the Dead, my pets are daring enough to attack, and kill the priest. Which suits me fine. More swag for me. 09:55 the force was pretty brutal as well 09:56 [AU] 9629 (Pri Elf Fem Cha) had Orcrist bestowed upon her by Mars, on T:2512 09:56 Oh yes, the pets influence. 09:56 .oO(Chocolate Orcrist) 09:57 [EU] [D]: lacca (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 170 points, 820 turns, killed by a hobbit 09:58 [US] xdminsy (Tou Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:37859 09:58 [US] xdminsy (Tou Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:37861 09:58 Well vlad kill himself with wand of lightning. 09:58 lmao 09:59 [US] anselmus (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the invisible Famine, on T:12926 10:00 [AU] [D]: 9629 (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 986 points, 2999 turns, poisoned by a centipede 10:02 [US] anselmus (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "helm of opposite alignment", on T:12953 10:03 < 13k, very nice :D 10:03 [US] [A]: anselmus (Wiz Elf Mal Law), 409188 points, 12956 turns, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/a/anselmus/tnnt/dumplog/1699169796.tnnt.html 10:03 grats anselmus. 10:03 congrats anselmus! 10:03 thank you! 10:04 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:04 gj, should really have died one more time though 10:04 we agreed not to talk about that 10:05 hey, no shame in spending AoLS on astral 10:06 i did panic when an invisible pri hit me with some shrivelling spell and thought it was famine 10:06 let's see what the next wiz has lol 10:06 wasn't it? 10:06 lol 10:06 It says you killed famine twice 10:07 anselmus: RESPECT 10:07 ... 10:07 guess i got lucky again hehe 10:07 lol 10:07 I thought you were joking, there is no shrivelling spell 10:07 because i only lost like 20 hp 10:07 IIRC "reaches out and your body withers" is definitely famine, I don't think there's a spell with that text 10:08 that makes sense because i could've sworn i hit him first with the trice corpse 10:08 not only that, you didn't have to hit first shot with wand of death 10:08 TIL a rider can revive as invisible? 10:09 Don't they all resist stoning? 10:09 [EU] [D]: lacca (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 3038 points, 2950 turns, killed by a raven, while praying 10:09 I was on the edge of my seat realizing you were gonna go through Astral with no magic resistance :D 10:10 well now i know why it didn't work 10:11 quiet please, i'm rolling the next char 10:11 verrry important 10:12 well, as long as you don't get paralysed by a priest, it can be survivable 10:12 and if you do get paralysed and die, you then put MR on I guess :) 10:13 [US] [D]: docpi (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 314 points, 1256 turns, killed by a giant bat 10:13 [US] xdminsy (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:38689 10:13 marker and cold res 10:13 Once more while wielding a dagger instead of my original weapon, because I had just eaten from a tin 10:13 [US] xdminsy (Tou Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:38692 10:13 [US] Shrigis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) has entered the Arena, on T:43462 10:14 i feel like you're just pointing out how lucky i was at this point :) 10:15 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) averted death (shot himself with a death ray), on T:168933 10:15 It's all par for the course for a semi-speedrun 10:15 [US] xdminsy (Tou Hum Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:38771 10:17 [US] Shrigis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) killed allanb the Heroine in a deathmatch, on T:43513 10:17 or I guess, given no start scumming, it is just a speedrun for a given character 10:17 -!- HalNovek has quit [Quit: Client closed] 10:18 [US] xdminsy (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:38877 10:18 [US] xdminsy (Tou Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:38880 10:22 -!- a1 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:31 [US] xdminsy (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:39739 10:33 [US] Shrigis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:44733 10:33 [US] Shrigis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:44734 10:34 [US] Shrigis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:44743 10:35 [US] xdminsy (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:40076 10:36 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) murdered his faithful baby long worm, on T:172574 10:36 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) murdered his faithful baby long worm, on T:172575 10:36 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) murdered his faithful baby long worm, on T:172578 10:36 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) murdered his faithful baby long worm, on T:172579 10:36 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) murdered his faithful baby long worm, on T:172584 10:37 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) murdered his faithful baby long worm, on T:172591 10:37 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) murdered his faithful baby long worm, on T:172593 10:37 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) murdered his faithful baby long worm, on T:172594 10:37 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) murdered his faithful baby long worm, on T:172597 10:37 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) murdered his faithful baby long worm, on T:172598 10:37 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) murdered his faithful baby long worm, on T:172599 10:37 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) murdered his faithful baby long worm, on T:172600 10:37 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) murdered his faithful baby long worm, on T:172601 10:37 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) murdered his faithful baby long worm, on T:172602 10:37 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) murdered his faithful baby long worm, on T:172602 10:37 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) murdered his faithful baby long worm, on T:172602 10:37 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) murdered his faithful baby long worm, on T:172602 10:37 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) murdered his faithful baby long worm, on T:172602 10:37 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) murdered his faithful baby long worm, on T:172613 10:38 going for -13 luck? 10:38 [US] rvcx (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:26244 10:38 I think he's doing extinction? 10:38 nope, just hatched way too many of them trying to get the achievement :D 10:39 ah :-) 10:39 [US] Shrigis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:44865 10:39 [US] Shrigis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:44868 10:41 [EU] [D]: Mandevil (Kni Hum Mal Law), 534 points, 1978 turns, killed by a rothe 10:43 -!- martinp has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:44 [US] xdminsy (Tou Hum Fem Neu) entered the Planes, on T:41070 10:46 -!- martinp has joined #tnnt 10:49 -!- docpi has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:50 [AU] Tangles (Ran Elf Mal Cha) destroyed schoen's ghost, the former Bandit, on T:1433 10:50 [EU] mobileuser (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:21475 10:51 [EU] [D]: Mandevil (Kni Hum Mal Law), 396 points, 591 turns, killed by a gnome king 10:52 -!- docpi has joined #tnnt 10:53 [US] xdminsy (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Death, on T:41350 10:54 [EU] [D]: Arasaka (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 1848 points, 3385 turns, killed by a gray unicorn (and 3 other games not reported) 10:55 [US] wispofvapor (Sam Hum Fem Law) destroyed noims' ghost, the former Wanderer, on T:11340 10:55 [US] xdminsy (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Pestilence, on T:41413 10:56 -!- anselmus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:57 [US] [A]: xdminsy (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 1779712 points, 41421 turns, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/x/xdminsy/tnnt/dumplog/1699393972.tnnt.html 11:00 Hourly Stats at 2023-11-08 11:00 UTC: Games: 11, Asc: 2, Scum: 0. 1d 07:23 gametime. (36%Cav), 22d 12:59 remaining. 11:00 -!- HalNovek has joined #tnnt 11:01 [US] Shrigis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:47135 11:02 [US] Shrigis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:47140 11:02 [EU] mobileuser (Val Dwa Fem Law) removed anselmus' uncursed ring of teleport control from the swap chest, on T:21748 11:03 congrats xdminsy! 11:04 thx mobileuser! 11:04 [EU] [D]: Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 401 points, 1165 turns, killed by a dwarf 11:09 Congrats xdminsy! :) and still streaking at 100% (playing tourist, lol) 11:09 grats xdminsy 11:09 Congrats :o 11:10 -!- a1 has joined #tnnt 11:10 thx all :P 11:10 Tourist is the tourist lol. 11:11 [US] Furey (Cav Gno Mal Neu) found kitten, on T:7460 11:11 Yeah~ 11:16 [US] Shrigis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) genocided class ;, on T:47545 11:17 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 11:18 [US] Shrigis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) wished for "blessed partly eaten cockatrice corpse", on T:47635 11:20 [US] Shrigis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) killed Death, on T:47645 11:20 [US] jonosmalls88 (Sam Hum Mal Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:22224 11:22 [AU] Andrio (Rog Orc Mal Cha) wished for "a marker", on T:83624 11:23 [US] [A]: Shrigis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 2089284 points, 47667 turns, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/S/Shrigis/tnnt/dumplog/1699283860.tnnt.html 11:25 grats shrigis. 11:25 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:26 [AU] Andrio (Rog Orc Mal Cha) wished for "a marker", on T:83683 11:26 [EU] elenmirie (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:42527 11:27 [US] wispofvapor (Sam Hum Fem Law) destroyed walkera's ghost, the former Fighter, on T:12555 11:33 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 11:34 [US] wispofvapor (Sam Hum Fem Law) received Excalibur, on T:13479 11:34 [EU] elenmirie (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:42964 11:35 [EU] elenmirie (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) genocided class h, on T:42969 11:40 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) murdered his faithful djinni, on T:180516 11:41 -!- raisse has joined #tnnt 11:42 [EU] [D]: Mandevil (Kni Hum Mal Law), 12 points, 335 turns, killed by a jackal 11:43 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had Fire Brand bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:180941 11:45 [AU] Andrio (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:85437 11:45 [AU] Andrio (Rog Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:85438 11:46 btw a bit of an oversight with the swap chest: it doesn't accept pickaxes even if they are appropriately enchanted. that blessed rustproof +7 pick-axe in my boh was supposed to be a present for someone 11:47 [US] [D]: Furey (Cav Gno Mal Neu), 6909 points, 8456 turns, killed by a Grey-elf 11:47 [AU] Andrio (Rog Orc Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:85529 11:48 shrigis: sounds like it should, i will file a bug report 11:49 yes please and thank you 11:51 [US] walkera (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:3591 11:53 $tell qt bug report: from player shrigis: swap chest does not accept a blessed rustproof +7 pick-axe. i think: weapon-tool should be treated like weapon in this regard, swap chest should accept a non-magical weapon-tool that is non-cursed and enchanted to +3 or higher. (magical weapon-tool, unicorn horn, already eligible). what do you think? 11:53 qt shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, Furey. 11:53 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 276 points, 1898 turns, killed by a bat 11:53 [AU] Andrio (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:85845 11:54 [AU] Andrio (Rog Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:85869 11:55 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 64 points, 650 turns, killed by a newt 11:56 [US] [D]: Shrigis (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 221 points, 842 turns, killed by a gnome lord 11:56 -!- wop has joined #tnnt 11:57 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 161 points, 645 turns, killed by a jackal 11:58 [US] wispofvapor (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:14819 11:58 [US] schnaader (Val Hum Fem Law) found kitten, on T:1764 12:00 Current Day as of 2023-11-08 12:00 UTC: Games: 271, Asc: 5, Scum: 164. 536224 turns, 9181500 points. 7d 03:10 gametime. (20%Pri), (58%Hum), (38%Neu), (73%Fem), 22d 11:59 remaining. 12:00 [US] schnaader (Val Hum Fem Law) received Excalibur, on T:2088 12:06 -!- HalNovek has quit [Quit: Client closed] 12:07 [AU] Andrio (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:87119 12:09 [US] schnaader (Val Hum Fem Law) became literate by engraving "foo", on T:3263 12:12 [AU] Andrio (Rog Orc Mal Cha) wished for "death", on T:87649 12:12 [US] jientho (Arc Gno Mal Neu) found kitten, on T:1525 12:13 -!- a1 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:13 I forgot I had that cockatrice corpse... 12:15 [US] [D]: schnaader (Val Hum Fem Law), 4606 points, 4049 turns, killed by a leocrotta, while helpless 12:15 -!- Bleeko has joined #tnnt 12:16 -!- tsingi has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:19 [AU] Andrio (Rog Orc Mal Cha) wished for "a marker", on T:88584 12:19 [EU] [D]: Mandevil (Kni Hum Mal Law), 1930 points, 3940 turns, killed by a werewolf 12:19 [AU] Andrio (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (10 times), on T:88586 12:22 [US] bleeko (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:85825 12:24 [AU] Tangles (Ran Elf Mal Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Mars, on T:4158 12:24 -!- klepto has joined #tnnt 12:24 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 12:25 [EU] [D]: Merlek (Val Hum Fem Law), 446 points, 1128 turns, killed by a little dog 12:27 -!- Waffa has joined #tnnt 12:28 [US] [D]: Shrigis (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 3751 points, 3359 turns, killed by a jaguar 12:28 [US] [D]: jientho (Arc Gno Mal Neu), 719 points, 1852 turns, killed by a kitten 12:29 gg Shrigis! 12:31 -!- tsingi has joined #tnnt 12:34 [EU] finitelycraig (Sam Hum Fem Law) bribed Asmodeus with 35 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:35470 12:34 [US] efot (Arc Hum Fem Law) killed Croesus, on T:21640 12:35 [EU] finitelycraig (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:35633 12:38 -!- elenmirie has joined #tnnt 12:40 [AU] Tangles (Ran Elf Mal Cha) had Werebane bestowed upon him by Mars, on T:5250 12:45 -!- wop has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:45 -!- wop has joined #tnnt 12:48 [EU] finitelycraig (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Baalzebub, on T:36428 12:49 [US] wispofvapor (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Croesus, on T:17103 12:50 [US] WizardOfPoland (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Juiblex, on T:31086 12:53 Several recent changes to the Nethack Scoreboard. https://nethackscoreboard.org/ I am done with my changes for a while. If someone sees an error or has a suggestion (I handled quite a few of the pending suggestions) please let me know. 12:54 [EU] askhl (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:14807 12:55 [AU] Andrio (Rog Orc Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:89486 12:55 [US] allanb (Pri Elf Mal Cha) found kitten, on T:1900 12:59 [US] tsingi (Rog Orc Fem Cha) had Fire Brand bestowed upon her by Kos, on T:7297 12:59 [EU] elenmirie (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) entered the Planes, on T:44648 13:01 I'm visible, not wielding Excalibur, neutral, but Asmodeus is always attacking me on sight instead of asking for money. What am I doing wrong? 13:01 [EU] elenmirie (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (10 times), on T:44681 13:02 [US] WizardOfPoland (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Asmodeus, on T:31324 13:02 -!- Arseniy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:03 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 13:03 -!- mobileuser has joined #tnnt 13:04 [US] WizardOfPoland (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:31358 13:06 [EU] elenmirie (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) genocided class ;, on T:44817 13:10 [EU] askhl (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:16213 13:13 [EU] Raisse (Tou Hum Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3814 13:13 wop, what about Demonbane? 13:14 [EU] elenmirie (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Death, on T:45018 13:14 [AU] Andrio (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed Famine, on T:90524 13:15 [US] bleeko (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed bag of holding", on T:87297 13:15 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 2800 points, 3950 turns, killed by a gold golem 13:16 [EU] askhl (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) had Werebane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:16418 13:16 Where'd Famine get a wand of death? 13:16 Gimme 13:16 Andrio: nope, just Magicbane 13:17 -!- kewldewd has joined #tnnt 13:17 He can spawn with one 13:17 wop do you have conflict or something? 13:18 [AU] Andrio (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed Death, on T:90606 13:18 [US] jmcunx (Mon Hum Fem Law) consumed animal products (candy bar) for the first time, on T:6993 13:19 [US] jientho (Pri Elf Fem Cha) destroyed Merlek's ghost, the former Skirmisher, on T:920 13:19 [AU] Andrio (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed Pestilence, on T:90662 13:19 [EU] elenmirie (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed the invisible Pestilence, on T:45079 13:19 [US] bleeko (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed bag of holding named LIGHT AS A FEATHER", on T:87447 13:20 Cloudmillion the invisible Lama wields a long sword named Frost Brand! Andrio the invisible Lama wields a greased long sword named Giantslayer! 13:20 Otacon, it's me! I'm fighting myself 13:21 lol 13:22 I had +8 Giantslayer, too. :o 13:23 yeah I think that astral NPCs can get their weapons enchanted up to +9 13:23 [AU] [A]: Andrio (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 3982938 points, 90696 turns, ascended 13:23 https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Andrio/tnnt/dumplog/1699281138.tnnt.html 13:24 congrats Andrio! 13:24 \o/ 13:24 [EU] elenmirie (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Famine, on T:45140 13:25 -!- karafruit80 has joined #tnnt 13:25 \o/ 13:26 Thanks~ 13:26 congrats andrio! 13:27 wow, very tanky rogue 13:27 [EU] [A]: elenmirie (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 2157160 points, 45166 turns, ascended 13:27 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/e/elenmirie/tnnt/dumplog/1699203264.tnnt.html 13:27 -!- crunchbubba has joined #tnnt 13:28 congrats elenmirie! 13:28 thanks mobi! 13:28 elenmirie also! Congrats, elenmirie.~ 13:28 [EU] askhl (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (class h), on T:16566 13:28 grats Andrio! 13:29 grats elenmirie! 13:29 thanks! 13:29 back-to-back asc, nice 13:29 \o/ 13:31 [US] [D]: jmcunx (Mon Hum Fem Law), 16552 points, 7706 turns, petrified by a cockatrice 13:32 [US] hothraxxa (Kni Hum Mal Law) entered Gehennom, on T:39476 13:33 rld: nope, no conflict 13:34 did you aggravate monsters or something? 13:34 I can’t think of any other reason asmo’d attack you 13:35 [US] Staengia (Arc Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a black light, on T:14681 13:35 wop: I'm assuming you had some gold in open inventory? 13:35 tjw: this time 1 piece, yes 13:36 That might not be enough 13:37 They select 21-100% of your gold in inventory- if the percentage they select would be equal to below one gold piece, they are hostile 13:38 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "marker named lol smoky gain level", on T:187332 13:38 [US] Staengia (Arc Hum Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:15274 13:42 -!- HalNovek has joined #tnnt 13:42 [US] [D]: Staengia (Arc Hum Mal Law), 19066 points, 15511 turns, killed by an invisible forest centaur 13:43 -!- ais523 has joined #tnnt 13:45 [US] hothraxxa (Kni Hum Mal Law) removed spazm's blessed +3 cloak of protection from the swap chest, on T:39694 13:45 thanks spazm 13:46 [US] [D]: Delrav (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 452 points, 1951 turns, killed by a homunculus 13:50 [US] skwrl (Bar Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming an ettin, on T:10533 13:50 [US] bleeko (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:87952 13:57 -!- kewldewd has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:58 -!- HalNovek has quit [Quit: Client closed] 13:59 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 14:00 [EU] [D]: Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 2214 points, 1860 turns, killed by a dwarf 14:03 [EU] Raisse (Tou Hum Fem Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by The Lady, on T:3849 14:04 yay! 14:04 wow 14:05 [US] Darothok (Val Hum Fem Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a concave amulet on an altar, on T:3221 14:06 * ais523 rustproofs my starting valk longsword 14:06 Thats handy 14:06 -!- klepto has quit [Quit: Client closed] 14:06 so that I can dip it for Excal without fear of it rusting 14:06 normally this wouldn't be good strategy, but I somehow have four enchant weapon scrolls early 14:06 hey man, sometimes it gets rusty and then you gotta fight some snakes 14:07 yep 14:07 -!- HalNovek has joined #tnnt 14:07 [US] Darothok (Val Hum Fem Law) destroyed Raisse's ghost, the former Excursionist, on T:3333 14:07 how deliberate about your dips are you? do you aim for low to high dips? or just get to oracle and do the all included experience? 14:07 I should probably bless the others before wielding them 14:07 low dips = higher chance that if water demon, then wish 14:07 Demo: I normally don't dip until I think I can handle the consequences 14:08 which can include snakes, demons, and my only good weapon rusting 14:08 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 1624 points, 4466 turns, killed by a soldier ant 14:08 well, if you are ready, then do you aim low to high, or just go to oracle and get the all included experience? 14:08 [EU] ais523 (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur, on T:2368 14:08 low to high will always be optimal, ready or not 14:08 argh, playerbanebanebane 14:08 -!- crunchbubba has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 14:08 heck... 14:08 I don't think there's a reason to do the high-wish-chance fountains first 14:08 given that I'll be probably dipping in all of them to blank or uncurse anyway 14:09 i want a wish NOW 14:09 -!- crunchbubba has joined #tnnt 14:09 the weird things caused by the wish chances from fountains i think are part of what keeps nethack fun 14:09 fwiw I don't think I've gotten a fountain wish in ages 14:10 despite making such heavy use of fountain dips 14:10 I have gotten a few water demons 14:10 and more nymphs 14:10 i got a bunch of them in unnethack because there was a bigroom that meant to use } but used { instead 14:10 so it had hundreds of fountains on it 14:10 but then they were shitty unnethack nonmagical wishes so it wasn't that useful 14:11 [EU] mobileuser (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed +2 water walking boots", on T:22170 14:12 [US] [D]: jientho (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 1298 points, 2042 turns, killed by a giant mimic 14:13 [US] [D]: arkanoid (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 429 points, 2017 turns, killed by a hobgoblin 14:13 whoa, achievement bug(?) 14:13 a mind flayer ate my brain 14:13 and then I came back to a cones level and got the Mr Bones Wild Ride ach 14:14 for 4 bones levels 14:14 but there's only 3. This one was just counted twice 14:14 1337 |-|4>< 14:16 [EU] [D]: Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 83 points, 287 turns, killed by a falling rock 14:20 [EU] [D]: ais523 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2560 points, 3279 turns, killed by a killer bee 14:20 [US] tsingi (Rog Orc Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:11225 14:21 [US] Darothok (Val Hum Fem Law) received Excalibur, on T:3903 14:22 [EU] [D]: Mandevil (Kni Hum Mal Law), 1144 points, 2704 turns, killed by a killer bee 14:22 hey Mandevil 14:22 Next YASD lesson: Check your HP before eating that second grey ooze blob. 14:22 hmm, I just played a priest game that failed to even beat the first jackal in a fight 14:23 and jackals are too weak to run from 14:23 I wonder whether that was an unavoidable death or not 14:23 (couldn't pray – it was too early) 14:23 [US] [D]: docpi (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 2945 points, 3278 turns, killed by an acidic glob 14:23 a priest will normally beat a jackal in a fight, but there is randomness involved 14:23 You can Elbereth I think. 14:24 [US] Shrigis (Rog Orc Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:5551 14:24 ais523, I read in the Wiki that you managed to die spectacularly on T:1 14:24 [EU] mobileuser (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "magic marker", on T:22289 14:24 docpi: well, a bot I was running did 14:25 took a few million tries 14:25 Aha. 14:25 Well seems you do elberethless petless. 14:25 xdminsy: yes 14:25 that's a good point – E would have been enough 14:25 [EU] [D]: Merlek (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 536 points, 1468 turns, killed by a brown mold 14:25 but because i play without it nowadays, I don't think of it 14:25 it would also have saved my valk game that juts died 14:26 I've died to jackals a lot times when I play drow convict. 14:26 Jackals and foxes are the fastest in that early game. 14:27 part of the reason Elbereth is still in the game is because the game balance sometimes requires it for the weaker roles to be winnable 14:29 [US] hothraxxa (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:40629 14:29 [US] Shrigis (Rog Orc Mal Cha) removed elenmirie's blessed +0 pair of gauntlets of power from the swap chest, on T:5796 14:30 Evilhack requires to read Elbereth before one can use it, but seems still able to streak a drow convict. 14:31 But I do play with pets in early game, petless will make the early game harder. 14:32 Especially before 3.7 I think I always let pets fight those poisonous monsters. 14:32 [US] Darothok (Val Hum Fem Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:4664 14:32 How can a non-orc to avoid the risk of being instakilled by poison attacks? 14:32 [EU] [D]: Merlek (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 664 points, 1554 turns, killed by a rothe 14:32 I'm not sure, I think I need a scaring tool in such case. 14:33 xdminsy: aggressively go for any poison res source available early game 14:33 e.g. eat bees, wear extrinsic poison res if you find it 14:33 also, getting a good ranged attack helps because some poisonous enemies can be killed before they get into melee range 14:34 even a limited-use one like wands 14:35 Okay I see. 14:35 [US] Darothok (Val Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "Greased blessed fixed +2 grey dragon scale mail", on T:4679 14:38 < ais523> part of the reason Elbereth is still in the game is because the game balance sometimes requires it for the weaker roles to be winnable 14:38 i've ascended all roles in several variants so i don't agree with this 14:39 If it were not for Elbereth, I would have lost to a mean-spirited RNG way more often. 14:39 i don't use elbereth 14:39 hothraxxa: well, we were discussing an incident where a pet or E was required to avoid a death right at the start of the game 14:39 Granted, I ended up dying anyway, but at least I was able to hold it off a bit longer each time. 14:39 sure there are cases where it will save you, but to say roles need it to win is not true 14:40 hothraxxa: oh, I said that incorrectly 14:40 I meant that some roles need it to win some games 14:40 you did!Q 14:40 I would do Elberethless in evilhack. 14:40 But in vanilla as it provide Elbereth and it can reduce risks, then I would happily use Elbereth. 14:40 i have 16 elbereth-less ascensions in evilhack 14:40 however that was in the early days when evilhack was fun to play 14:41 it still is 14:41 for for ME to play 14:41 you just like to complain when things get a bit more challenging 14:41 no 14:41 i just like to complain 14:41 yesa actually. have proof 14:41 As opposed to me, who likes to complain no matter what. 14:41 no, i'm with you 14:41 hah 14:42 * docpi waves at hothraxxa through the raining arrows. 14:42 [EU] noims (Hea Gno Mal Neu) had Frost Brand bestowed upon him by Hermes, on T:12593 14:43 k2: you know well that's it's not about more challenge, it's about less enjoyment 14:44 hothraxxa, the revelation of the devteam being calvinists would explain a few things, indeed.. 14:44 [US] bleeko (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) genocided class ;, on T:88370 14:45 there is some optimal level of challenge for any game or player 14:45 hothraxxa: you dont even play evilhack anymore. not sure why you still feel the need to harp on about it. i'd rather you just stfu about it if you dont have anything good to say. you're misleading other people who might want to give it a shot 14:45 it's gotten old... long time ago 14:45 in general I think that most variants make NetHack too difficult, which makes me less inclined to play a variant that is intended to be difficult 14:45 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #tnnt 14:46 ais523: have you tried gnollhack? 14:46 didn't you say that you wouldn't play evilhack because it has a 1/6th weight BoH? 14:46 hothraxxa: no 14:46 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Client Quit] 14:46 I concur, ais523, 3.6, and 3.7 being excellent examples of such abominations. 14:46 give it a shot. you can adjust the difficulty level 14:47 Noisytoot: that's another thing that turns me off somewhat 14:47 docpi: I agree that 3.6 and 3.7 are too difficult 14:47 * docpi feels vindicated. 14:48 -!- klepto has joined #tnnt 14:48 but what normally happens is that a) another dev makes a change that ruins the game balance, b) I complain, c) nobody listens to me 14:48 3.7 is a lot easier than 3.6 in my view. 14:48 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #tnnt 14:49 hi loggers. 14:49 ab o/ 14:50 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: sorry about my connection] 14:50 -!- theRaisse has joined #tnnt 14:50 how goes the hacking 14:50 -!- ais523 has joined #tnnt 14:50 xdminsy: yes, 3.7 is better than 3.6 14:51 although valk was nerfed, which primarily has the effect that all the roles feel the increased difficulty compared to 3.4.3, as opposed to all the roles but valk feeling it 14:51 -!- Umbire has joined #tnnt 14:51 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:51 they made the game harder because it was too easy 14:51 sup K2 did you see the achievement bug? If you forget a bones level you can get the "Mr Bones Wild Ride" achievement without having 4 bones levels in your game 14:51 also TNNT is awesome btw, thanks :D 14:52 it is too easy >:( 14:52 -!- Umbire has joined #tnnt 14:52 [US] allanb (Pri Elf Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4138 14:52 Hi 14:52 -!- shadowrider38 has joined #tnnt 14:52 ab 14:53 @shivanhunter i didnt but thank you 14:53 will add it to the list 14:53 Loggers_VIII ab 14:53 I wrote up that neothelid page on the wiki, needs some looking over probably 14:53 Demo: They made the game different because too many people complained about no updates for many years. I guess that the devteam then wanted to shut up the revolting commoners for good by showing them what a hurried release looks like. 14:53 also k2, can neothelids wear barding 14:53 docpi is a hater don't listen :p 14:54 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:54 ? 14:54 Actually, Loggers_VIII, I am a sufferer. Big difference. 14:54 [EU] [D]: Merlek (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 892 points, 1878 turns, killed by a hill orc 14:55 yo yo yo ndnh had neothelids first evilhack stole them im going to variant court 14:55 what are they like in ndnh 14:55 Loggers_VIII no they cant 14:55 lame that would be awesome 14:55 you cant ride w 14:55 howdy yall 14:55 heya shadowrider38 14:56 hi shadowrider. 14:56 hi shadowrider 14:56 have i missed anything awesome 14:56 no 14:56 well there were a lot of ascensions. but that's it 14:56 uninteresting filler for acu quest 14:56 shadowrider38, I died a few times. Many other players did as well, some ascended. 14:57 * docpi tries to keep a straight facer. 14:57 * docpi tries to keep a straight face. 14:57 I ate three delicious artifacts. Probably not interesting to anyone else, but they were delicious. 14:57 each one of those are awesome how dare you take away from that 14:57 I love lamp 14:57 well by awesome I thought you meant like, unusual :P 14:58 that is very awesome Demo and docpi and karafruit80 14:58 sometimes the simple things in life are the most awesome 14:58 I take it K2's already looked the page over or is about to 14:58 * K2 is about to 14:58 not to say that ascending is a very simple thing to do 14:58 shadowrider38: I died some undignified deaths, many of them YASDs, early on. 14:59 undignified !! 14:59 [EU] finitelycraig (Sam Hum Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:38220 14:59 I only die dignified deaths personally 14:59 dying is also very awesome 14:59 Yes, shadowrider38, like bumbing into floating eyes a few times. 14:59 heh 14:59 Yes, shadowrider38, like bumping into floating eyes a few times. 14:59 blessed-geno e 14:59 floating eyes suck 15:00 Hourly Stats at 2023-11-08 15:00 UTC: Games: 13, Asc: 0, Scum: 0. 0d 06:10 gametime. (46%Neu), 22d 08:59 remaining. 15:00 i find interesting deaths to be the most memorable games for me 15:00 I have been considering excatly that, Loggers_VIII. 15:00 Thats cuz your wins is much more than deaths :) 15:00 [EU] finitelycraig (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:38314 15:00 xdminsy beat me to it :) 15:00 ndnh neothelids would probably be more dangerous than evilhack neothelids if they existed in evilhack, because of how AD_DRIN attacks work in dnethack (the dice mean the amount of int drained, not physical damage) and the armor-destruction attack. 15:00 One particular run, I was doing very well, when a Wand of Death got me mid-Mines. 15:01 ONCE MORE 15:01 So that makes, what, third WoD in the Mines I ever encountered. 15:01 lol bruh 15:01 [US] Shrigis (Rog Orc Mal Cha) polymorphed his first item, on T:8306 15:01 loggers I'm afraid to do that :P 15:01 evilhack neothelids drain 3d2 int. ndnh neothelids drain 3d4 int 15:02 no its more that wins in nethack feel the same because they follow the same route 15:02 so it blurs together after a while 15:02 dnethack neothelids are also speed 3, and have higher AC and barely any MR 15:02 ndnh I mean 15:03 Loggers_VIII i made a slight edit to the article 15:03 looks good 15:03 [US] hothraxxa (Kni Hum Mal Law) bribed Baalzebub with 1 zorkmid for safe passage, on T:41265 15:03 awesome 15:04 they are also not dangerous because of where they appear (acus can mind-blast them and have an artifact helmet that blocks brain-eating attacks) 15:04 [US] wispofvapor (Sam Hum Fem Law) removed xdminsy's 2 blessed scrolls of genocide from the swap chest, on T:19016 15:04 [US] wispofvapor (Sam Hum Fem Law) genocided class h, on T:19017 15:04 [US] wispofvapor (Sam Hum Fem Law) genocided class L, on T:19017 15:04 that's kind of true for evilhack neothelids too, you only really see them in the wizard's tower 15:05 you can very unluckily see them in the main dungeon but it's only happened once before I thik 15:05 *think 15:05 Wow i see my scrolls of genocide. 15:05 in ndnh they have armor shredding i think 15:05 there's a chance to see one in tal'gath's level too 15:05 so you want to avoid them 15:05 wow you can take 2 scrolls of genocide out of the swap chest? 15:05 interface YANI: you have two quiver slots, one for thrown weapons and one for ammo; the 'f' command uses an appropriate quiver slot based on what you are wielding, or throws your wielded weapon if it is a returning weapon (Mjollnir / aklys / boomerang) 15:05 what if you put in like 10? 15:05 is that a good idea? 15:05 The wiki describes the acu quest nemesis as an alhoon, but he's mindless. Why? 15:06 Loggers_VIII, It's a single item stack, those are fine to put in or take out 15:06 ais523 that sounds interesting 15:06 why did livelogging swap chest get added after i gave up on tnnt 15:06 [US] hothraxxa (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed Juiblex, on T:41311 15:06 ais523 sounds nice 15:06 Yes, I have 5 but only put 2, but in the last I didn't use the 3. 15:06 shadowrider38 because 15:06 you can't give up on tnnt you need to ascend more 15:07 nah 15:07 yall got it with or without me 15:07 [EU] noims (Hea Gno Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:15639 15:07 yeah I guess 15:08 ooh, if I make that 'f' behaviour an option, it might be able to go into vanilla 15:08 ais523: yes, and you should be able to fire from offhands and switch weapons as a free action 15:08 although, adding a new inventory slot is fraught with danger 15:08 I agree with noisytoot, you should be able to switch from a launcher to a melee weapon freely 15:08 Noisytoot: that would be a different change 15:08 -!- wop has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:08 it would make sense for NH4 at least, where you can already switch weapons as a free action 15:08 [US] jackofclubs (Bar Orc Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:34072 15:09 [US] jackofclubs (Bar Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:34074 15:09 (it does make a balance difference in some cases, if your weapon provides extrinsics while wielded, you could do something like continuously wielding Magicbane while firing a bow at monsters) 15:10 so we all get three hands? 15:10 you'd still be wielding magicbane for 1 turn after you fire the bow 15:10 juggling 15:10 for rogues 15:10 [EU] finitelycraig (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:38766 15:11 it'd also make stormbringer just a UI screw rather than mainly a UI screw with a minor balance difference (you can't displace pets) 15:11 stormbringer is already the best weapon anyway 15:12 its actually bad and I used excal instead of it on my barb asc earlier this month because excal is good 15:12 I should have trained broadsword and switched to it for planes but oh well 15:12 [US] allanb (Pri Elf Mal Cha) destroyed Raisse's ghost, the former Excursionist, on T:5339 15:13 stormbringer is bad in vanilla and any variant with vanilla-style bloodthirstiness. It is good in nh4 15:13 [US] bleeko (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Pestilence, on T:88557 15:15 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 15:15 I mean yeah it's not very good but it is kind of fun 15:16 [EU] [D]: blankman (Val Dwa Fem Law), 200 points, 1700 turns, killed by a giant bat 15:16 [EU] [D]: ais523 (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 6300 points, 3808 turns, killed by a blue dragon (and 2 other games not reported) 15:16 [US] wispofvapor (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:20231 15:16 rip 15:16 $lastgame ais523 15:16 Loggers_VIII: [EU] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/a/ais523/tnnt/dumplog/1699453359.tnnt.html 15:17 [US] [D]: jientho (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 250 points, 876 turns, killed by a hobgoblin, while sleeping 15:17 Loggers_VIII: I'm assuming polytrap 15:17 suddenly came across a bunch of out of depth monsters in the Mines 15:18 it was my fault for going that deep 15:18 or bones? 15:18 yeah that'll do it 15:18 doesn't look like bones, most of the map was explored 15:18 well it may be bones now :-D 15:19 I feel like I remember something about 3.7 making dragons a little more scary, am I making that up? 15:19 I could perhaps have tried to run, but then the dragon would start breathing if it lined up 15:19 [US] arnibald (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed Asmodeus, on T:53299 15:19 yeah, I'm guessing you didn't have that amulet id'd 15:20 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 partly eaten swap chest", on T:194837 15:20 aw damn. Was hoping that would work 15:20 ;) 15:20 ooh wiz bones 15:20 Loggers_VIII: yes, not IDed 15:20 the devs were wayyyyy ahead of ya on that one 15:21 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "marker named TDTTOE ;)", on T:194892 15:21 [US] allanb (Pri Elf Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:5568 15:21 in pity it's a retrospect that the troll's wand of fire missed 15:21 if it had hit, I would have known that my amulet was reflection 15:21 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "marker named wow two potion wishes in a row", on T:194893 15:21 [EU] Raisse (Tou Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Merlek's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:1701 15:22 -!- shadowrider38 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:22 it would be more likely to hit if you had worse AC 15:23 therefore worse AC is better and you may not have died if you had had worse AC 15:23 [EU] [D]: ais523 (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 162 points, 574 turns, killed by a small mimic 15:23 let him cook 15:25 [EU] DeVoid (Ran Hum Fem Neu) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:22084 15:29 [US] Shrigis (Rog Orc Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:12036 15:30 [EU] [D]: HalNovek (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 955 points, 2572 turns, killed by a wand 15:31 [US] Grouchy (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) murdered her faithful kitten, on T:927 15:33 [US] allanb (Pri Elf Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:5637 15:35 [US] wispofvapor (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:21797 15:35 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 15:36 [EU] [D]: Arasaka (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 0 points, 2084 turns, died of starvation, while fainted 15:37 [US] Shrigis (Rog Orc Mal Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Kos, on T:12918 15:38 [EU] [D]: Arasaka (Cav Dwa Mal Law), 0 points, 107 turns, killed by a jackal (and 2 other games not reported) 15:38 [US] Grouchy (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:1945 15:38 [EU] [D]: Arasaka (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 61 points, 100 turns, killed by a sewer rat (and one other game not reported) 15:38 [EU] [D]: arjjra (Val Hum Fem Neu), 655 points, 930 turns, killed by a coyote 15:39 [EU] [D]: Arasaka (Cav Dwa Mal Law), 12 points, 133 turns, killed by a goblin 15:39 [EU] askhl (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) destroyed BEHiker91W's ghost, the former Arbalester, on T:17154 15:39 [US] bleeko (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Famine, on T:88850 15:39 [US] bleeko (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) murdered his faithful winged gargoyle, on T:88850 15:39 [US] Shrigis (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:13113 15:39 [EU] Merlek (Val Hum Fem Law) destroyed blankman's ghost, the former Stripling, on T:3221 15:40 good morning 15:40 qt: Message from Furey at 2023-11-08 11:53 UTC: bug report: from player shrigis: swap chest does not accept a blessed rustproof +7 pick-axe. i think: weapon-tool should be treated like weapon in this regard, swap chest should accept a non-magical weapon-tool that is non-cursed and enchanted to +3 or higher. (magical weapon-tool, unicorn horn, already eligible). what do you think? 15:41 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 1151 points, 2872 turns, killed by a rothe 15:41 [US] bleeko (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Death, on T:88873 15:44 so that only affects pick axe and grappling hook. i guess someone could find a high enchanted pick axe useful. high enchanted grappling hook probably not, but I guess not more so than a highly enchanted dart or something 15:44 and nobody is likely to have one anyway 15:47 [EU] [D]: ais523 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1581 points, 3670 turns, killed by a hill orc, while frozen by a monster's gaze 15:49 [EU] mobileuser (Val Dwa Fem Law) has entered the Arena, on T:22733 15:49 [EU] Merlek (Val Hum Fem Law) became literate by reading a book, on T:4476 15:52 [EU] mobileuser (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed tromix the Slayer in a deathmatch, on T:22781 15:53 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 15:54 [US] bleeko (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed helm of opposite alignment", on T:88993 15:55 qt i think digging tools were purposely left out of being an eligible swapchest obj 15:57 [US] Grouchy (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had Werebane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:3852 16:00 Hourly Stats at 2023-11-08 16:00 UTC: Games: 15, Asc: 0, Scum: 0. 0d 05:02 gametime. (73%Fem), 22d 07:59 remaining. 16:00 [US] Grouchy (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) destroyed Shrigis' ghost, the former Rogue, on T:4326 16:03 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 16:04 [US] klepto (Mon Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:15103 16:05 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 16:06 -!- engelson has joined #tnnt 16:06 [EU] [D]: lacca (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 801 points, 2271 turns, killed by a giant spider 16:08 digging tools aren't all ineligible. currently, a pick-axe is ineligible, but a dwarvish mattock is eligible. 16:09 [US] allanb (Pri Elf Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8013 16:12 [EU] [D]: elenmirie (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 82 points, 118 turns, killed by a jackal 16:13 [EU] Merlek (Val Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:7905 16:13 [US] crunchbubba (Ran Gno Mal Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a bow on an altar, on T:4373 16:15 [EU] Merlek (Val Hum Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:8208 16:16 [US] allanb (Pri Elf Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a werewolf, on T:8214 16:18 [US] [D]: allanb (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 11892 points, 8233 turns, killed by a dwarf 16:18 [US] bleeko (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Pestilence (5 times), on T:89351 16:19 -!- floating_eye has quit [Server closed connection] 16:19 -!- floating_eye has joined #tnnt 16:21 [US] [D]: crunchbubba (Ran Gno Mal Neu), 1713 points, 4538 turns, killed by a fire ant 16:21 [EU] [D]: Arasaka (Cav Dwa Mal Law), 853 points, 2264 turns, killed by a rothe 16:23 [US] karafruit (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed Scorpius, on T:41813 16:23 [US] karafruit (Ran Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:41817 16:24 [US] [D]: allanb (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 164 points, 1082 turns, killed by a wand 16:24 [US] [A]: bleeko (Wiz Elf Mal Law), 1764136 points, 89376 turns, ascended (and 10 other games not reported) https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/b/bleeko/tnnt/dumplog/1699086325.tnnt.html 16:24 -!- crunchbubba has quit [Quit: Client closed] 16:24 -!- crunchbubba has joined #tnnt 16:25 -!- a1 has joined #tnnt 16:25 Dinos represent!!!! 16:25 w00t, gg bleeko! 16:25 I wish inferior tin openers were still around 16:25 Congrats! :) 16:25 what happened to ito? 16:26 grats bleeko ... your original high priest must be totally perplexed 16:26 gg bleeko! 16:27 I kinda accidentally nudged him with stormy :-) 16:28 they get mad if you quake astral, too 16:29 they are mean and sometimes beat me up 16:29 [US] klepto (Mon Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a vampire lord, on T:16942 16:29 [US] strathmeyer (Hea Gno Mal Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a crested helmet on an altar, on T:3677 16:32 [EU] Merlek (Val Hum Fem Law) removed wispofvapor's uncursed +0 pair of gauntlets of power from the swap chest, on T:9929 16:34 Wow bleeko extincted newts! 16:34 Yup, last night 16:34 A wizard did it :) 16:35 Lol and I was hoping to be first to get Buzzing with energy 16:35 How to do that? 16:35 5 mild buzzes from eating newt 16:35 Level down to about level 1 or 2 than keep create monsters? 16:35 grats bleeko. 16:36 [US] allanb (Pri Elf Mal Cha) found kitten, on T:1897 16:39 [EU] [D]: HalNovek (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 1125 points, 2417 turns, killed by a bolt of fire 16:42 [US] disperse (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:44646 16:42 gg Bleeko 16:43 [US] disperse (Hea Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:44648 16:43 [US] allanb (Pri Elf Mal Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3178 16:44 [US] disperse (Hea Gno Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:44660 16:44 [US] allanb (Pri Elf Mal Cha) had Orcrist bestowed upon him by Offler, on T:3477 16:46 [US] [D]: allanb (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 771 points, 3731 turns, killed by a wand 16:46 -!- crunchbubba has quit [Quit: Client closed] 16:53 [US] disperse (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:44922 16:53 [US] disperse (Hea Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:44923 16:55 -!- botifico has joined #tnnt 16:55 [tnnt] entrez pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/tnnt-devteam/tnnt/compare/1092737df2e7...9fdc5a52c363 16:55 [tnnt] entrez 9fdc5a5 - Treat weptools like weapons for swap chest 16:57 [EU] elenmirie (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed crunchbubba's ghost, the former Lookout, on T:3935 16:58 -!- klepto has quit [Quit: Client closed] 16:59 latest updates are live 17:00 -!- rebatela has joined #tnnt 17:02 [EU] elenmirie (Val Dwa Fem Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping 5 daggers on an altar, on T:3941 17:04 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:06 [US] [D]: klipto (Sam Hum Mal Law), 49 points, 278 turns, poisoned by a rotted newt corpse, while helpless 17:07 [US] disperse (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:45932 17:08 -!- Waffa1 has joined #tnnt 17:08 [US] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) destroyed blankman's ghost, the former Stripling, on T:8723 17:10 [US] [D]: shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law), 130 points, 548 turns, killed by a kobold 17:11 [EU] finitelycraig (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:44289 17:11 -!- Waffa has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:11 [EU] finitelycraig (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:44292 17:12 [US] [D]: klipto (Sam Hum Mal Law), 447 points, 1387 turns, killed by a wererat 17:12 -!- Waffa1 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:13 [US] disperse (Hea Gno Mal Neu) wished for "2 blessed tins of spinach", on T:46463 17:13 [US] disperse (Hea Gno Mal Neu) wished for "2 blessed eucalyptus", on T:46464 17:13 [US] [D]: allanb (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 1302 points, 3339 turns, killed by a death ray 17:13 omelet 17:14 [US] arnibald (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:57159 17:15 -!- crunchbubba has joined #tnnt 17:16 [EU] finitelycraig (Sam Hum Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:44632 17:18 [US] [D]: klipto (Sam Hum Mal Law), 574 points, 1255 turns, killed by a sewer rat 17:18 [US] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) destroyed kewldewd's ghost, the former Fighter, on T:9035 17:18 -!- klepto has joined #tnnt 17:19 i messed up. I converted myself to another alignment before the quest 17:19 [US] [D]: shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law), 781 points, 2370 turns, killed by a rothe 17:19 is my game unwinnable? 17:19 [US] karafruit (Ran Elf Fem Cha) genocided class m, on T:43022 17:19 bye 17:19 [US] [D]: jientho (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1060 points, 2653 turns, killed by a bolt of cold 17:19 mimics 17:20 klepto: I think so :( 17:20 but maybe wait for someone else to weigh in before quitting 17:20 I've never had that happen 17:20 if it was a perma-convert, yeah, it's unwinnable 17:21 sacrificing a white unicorn at a neutral altar won't convert me back? 17:21 -!- Waffa has joined #tnnt 17:21 [EU] finitelycraig (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:44887 17:21 [EU] finitelycraig (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:44898 17:22 i don't think i've ever remembered to geno mimics pre-orcus town like that (i assume that's why you did it?) 17:22 -!- engelson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:22 I think you can only permanently convert yourself once per game for some reason klepto, but again not so certain that I wouldn't wait for someone else to confirm 17:22 yeah. And just want revenge for my 9-item store on floor 25 containing five mimics >:D 17:22 always forget 17:23 [US] [D]: shadowcat (Bar Hum Fem Cha), 401 points, 976 turns, killed by a giant bat 17:23 oof ya that sucks 17:23 -!- raisse has joined #tnnt 17:23 esp since one of them was posing as a stethoscope I really wanted:(  just found two in the quest though 17:23 maybe should've gone sea-monster but there's still plenty of time for that 17:23 nice. yeah i still need one in my game. going to polypile tools i think 17:24 i usually do the sea monsters like ON the plane of water 17:24 already wiped out archliches from a throne, and killed a polytrap'd jellyfish with a trident, so ; is next 17:24 is there a reason for waiting? 17:24 oh, so other stuff does'nt gen instead? 17:24 i think the theory is then it kills them all 17:24 well it's been fun qt, time to start over 17:24 yeah 17:25 hmm 17:25 another day, another stupid game-ending mistake 17:25 what happens if you permaconvert and then HoOA back to your original alignment? 17:25 i like how it evilhack you can just kill the quest leader i think if that happens 17:25 the quest leader still doesn't let you in? 17:26 rebatela: I think that's in 3.7 too 17:26 [US] [Q]: klepto (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 112042 points, 20349 turns, quit 17:26 nice. yeah i was gonna say. it seems antiquated 17:26 [US] Delrav (Bar Orc Fem Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a tripe ration, on T:3169 17:26 but I think it's heavily discouraged, I got the sense Pat doesn't like it 17:26 qt and klepto: yeah, quest leader sees through the HoOA, permaconvert is game ender. 17:26 lots of things like displacing peacefuls feels like it's been around forever 17:27 hm I guess the bright side of the floor 25 shop is I can easily get my K kill in for LEARN THE ALPHABET 17:27 [EU] elenmirie (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +3 grey dragon scale mail", on T:5193 17:27 except maybe if hero can manage to wish for eye of the aethiopica and branchport in 17:27 -!- kewldewd has joined #tnnt 17:27 does that work? 17:28 [US] [D]: klepto (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 50 points, 262 turns, killed by a kobold zombie 17:28 are you neutral? 17:28 wouldn't that only work if you've already entered the quest? 17:28 -!- klepto has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:28 I think that only helps if you angered the leader, not for alignment problems 17:28 I think what qt said 17:28 yeah i feel like it wouldn't bring you there 17:28 -!- a1 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:28 -!- klepto has joined #tnnt 17:28 is there a good way to acquire potions of acid? they're my smoky and I'm trying to get All You Ever Wanted. I'm cursing myself for putting my horn of plenty in the swap chest earlier 17:28 well the chances of art wish were already low with sting, orcrist and giantslayer 17:29 i was neutral, yeah 17:29 [US] [D]: shadowcat (Bar Hum Fem Cha), 735 points, 1437 turns, killed by a sewer rat 17:29 the EotA doesn't know about branches where you haven't been 17:29 karafruit80: I think you can alchemize acid? 17:29 Because klepto's problem isn't getting into Home 1, it's getting admitted to go further 17:30 qt: not from what I saw on the wiki, unless I missed something 17:30 unless you mean hoping for random ones 17:30 are you sue about that? i feel like when I go to vlad's i can branch port there but not until 17:30 yeah I meant one of the random results 17:30 it's one of those things that I read up on ages ago, never thought it'd happen to me 17:31 gray and white unicorns can look really similar when you're playing fast 17:31 oof 17:31 oh shit is that what happened? 17:31 yep 17:31 that's really rough 17:31 rip my full ascension kit + 2 magic markers 17:31 [US] disperse (Hea Gno Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:48163 17:31 [US] disperse (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (10 times), on T:48163 17:31 [US] maneatingcow (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:6754 17:32 oh yeah karafruit80 you're right alchemy isn't feasible, I thought acid was one of the ones with a slightly higher chance (like sickness) 17:32 [US] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) destroyed haldisse's ghost, the former Fighter, on T:9063 17:32 but I guess not 17:32 [EU] elenmirie (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur, on T:5704 17:32 I probably got acid randomly one game and just had the impression it was a more likely alchemy result from that :P 17:33 polypiling wouldn't work (well) either 17:33 yeah 17:33 if wiki is correct 17:33 monsters sometimes get them randomly but they usually throw and break them, so either getting them to miss with displacement or kill things fast seems my best bet 17:33 or finding another horn of plenty 17:33 if they miss the potion breaks anyway 17:34 not if they don't throw it at you 17:34 if they throw it where you aren't it usually doesn't 17:34 yeah if they throw it at some spot they think you're at but you aren't, it won't break 17:34 [EU] DeVoid (Ran Hum Fem Neu) became Venus' Envoy of Balance, on T:26173 17:34 guess I could wish for them with the castle wand but I'll probably have better things to wish for, heh 17:34 -!- crunchbubba has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:34 you have to drink your acid to grow up big and strong 17:35 I've already drank like 5 D: 17:35 kara did you already get fountain and throne wishes? 17:35 yep 17:35 why wish for acid when you can wish for a horn of plenty? 17:36 only ones I'm missing are wand and potion 17:36 I think you are more likely to grind for another WoW than for the amount of potions of acid you may need. 17:36 Noisytoot: because horn of plenty only gens them 0.3% of the time looks like 17:36 wow the achievement is in sight, but gotta farm and farm for the acid 17:37 [US] Delrav (Bar Orc Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 3 darts on an altar, on T:3479 17:37 horn of plenty + smoky acid + PYEC = infinite wish generator 17:37 yeah I figured the fountain would be the tough part but I went kicking them after I got the throne and got lucky 17:37 My son went through the same thing last year, only it was oil instead of acid 17:37 is it actually feasible though because karafruit80 is chaotic right? 17:37 "what do you wish for? 3 blessed smoky potions" 17:37 yeah can't use PYEC 17:37 plus even if I could use it, there have been so many artifacts already I probably couldn't wish for it 17:37 you could permaconvert to neutral post-quest and wish for it if there's a neutral altar somewhere 17:37 quick, someone leave a bones file with it...? 17:38 [EU] [D]: ansic (Kni Hum Fem Law), 96 points, 409 turns, killed by a water moccasin 17:38 -!- crunchbubba has joined #tnnt 17:38 oh yeah I just did the quest so that would be an option 17:38 *has stormbringer and excalibur, converts to neutral for PYEC* 17:38 or ask people to donate many potions of acid to swap chest, or to carry acid when ascending and hope you get their char in arena 17:39 already did arena 17:39 can you put stacks in the swap chest? 17:40 yeah you can karafruit80 17:40 oh cool 17:40 [US] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:9321 17:40 well I think so 17:40 I remember there was some bug if you tried to remove a partial stack 17:40 I don't think the swapchest accepts non-magical potions 17:41 I don't think it was fixed by banning stacks but would be worth double checking 17:41 dammnit.. i just wanted holy water. that counts towards artificat wishing too right? any artifacts? 17:41 oh good point tjw that's probably right 17:41 yeah rebatela 17:41 i'm so bad at vanilla. especially 3.6 lol 17:43 well i guess i will just skip sokoban 17:43 there is a troll with three attacks and a weapon 17:44 you got trolled 17:44 yep, 3 attacks 17:44 invisible too so 17:44 he will just kill me 17:44 -!- martinp has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:44 thats what DL10 sokoban does 17:44 [US] Leggman (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:21535 17:45 i guess i will do castle first and then i might be strong enough to kill a troll 17:45 [EU] [D]: ansic (Kni Hum Fem Law), 34 points, 293 turns, killed by a goblin 17:45 -!- martinp has joined #tnnt 17:46 AC: -8 and 94 HP are not enough to fight a troll 17:46 someone remind me to schedule in a bit of nh this weekend 17:46 pls 17:46 Will do. 17:46 okay I'll text you 17:46 thanks babe 17:46 [US] [D]: hilarita (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 386 points, 985 turns, killed by a wererat 17:47 Also that sounds like it'd be enough ordinarily, but if you're doing another pacifist then... 17:47 imagine having a social life, smh 17:47 aw nuts, tjw is right, only magical potions and holy water and unholy water 17:47 Wishing for a blessed horn of plenty wouldn't work either (333 charges for 10 blessed potions of acid). The best strategy is actually to zap a WoW and wish for 3 blessed potions of acid, quaff them and then repeat the process. And hope that the wand at the castle has 3 charges. (Or to wait another game to get this achievement: some potions are much 17:47 easier to produce than others.) 17:47 theWeaver\Splend: when you get a text with a nude picture of me, that will be the signal that it's time to play nethack 17:47 i did tell friends i plan to be a hermit Sat/Sun tho 17:47 [US] [D]: maneatingcow (Val Dwa Fem Law), 6038 points, 7498 turns, killed by a fire ant 17:47 qt: just like old times eh 17:48 yes the traditional signal 17:48 :ok_hand: 17:48 [US] [D]: hilarita (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 64 points, 102 turns, killed by a jackal 17:48 HalNovek yeah that's what I'm thinking 17:48 i would wreck a whole game to get All You Ever Wanted 17:48 I think I got it last year just through good luck 17:49 last year: furey, hothraxxa, jt, qt 17:49 wow I got 3 ascensions last year, no way am I going to do that this year 17:49 it's what, EV of two items when you wish for 3? so if the WoW from castle has one charge, that's 5 attempts, which is 10 expected... hrm hrm 17:49 way too rusty. I'll be lucky to get 1 ascension 17:50 plus polypiling and monster drops 17:50 throne not farmable, fountain not farmable, if i get both, i'm farming a lamp if it takes all day 17:51 [US] disperse (Hea Gno Mal Neu) wished for "marker", on T:48668 17:51 yeah I got the throne wish (having already used a lamp wish) and figured I'd see if I could get the fountain on the upper levels and got lucky, and now I'm just sad acid is rare 17:51 other question: can a stack of potions of acid be blessed? (with potion, or do you need confused remove curse?) 17:51 can bless with potion 17:52 of holy water, I mean 17:52 I've done it already 17:52 for the last five I chugged 17:52 At least that! :) And good luck for the achievement! 17:54 [EU] blankman (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:3073 17:54 -!- martinp_ has joined #tnnt 17:55 I'm so terrified I'm gonna YASD on medusa island, even though I really have no reason to be worrying afaik 17:56 had to spend a /oDeath charge against that troll and then ate his corpse 17:56 kinda OP that they just spawn invinsible again if they already were invisible 17:57 -!- martinp has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:57 -!- crunchbubba has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:57 No reason you couldn't bless a stack of potions. 17:57 Acid only reacts to normal water, nothing special with (un)holy water. 17:57 when i got throne and fountain last year, i camped on dlvl 1 and farmed a magic lamp. took 25000 turns. i got it. the djinni spurned me. 17:58 Last year my son farmed oil potions as a Tourist with PYEC 17:59 [US] karafruit (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:43352 17:59 get reflect'd, nerd 18:00 Current Day as of 2023-11-08 18:00 UTC: Games: 336, Asc: 8, Scum: 165. 919206 turns, 17304038 points. 12d 00:43 gametime. (19%Pri), (54%Hum), (37%Law), (65%Fem), 22d 05:59 remaining. 18:00 [EU] [D]: ansic (Kni Hum Fem Law), 917 points, 2090 turns, killed by a giant ant 18:01 [US] disperse (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed Pestilence, on T:48740 18:01 [US] disperse (Hea Gno Mal Neu) murdered his faithful purple worm, on T:48740 18:02 [US] maneatingcow (Val Dwa Fem Law) murdered her faithful kitten, on T:2067 18:02 [EU] [D]: Mandevil (Kni Hum Mal Law), 1098 points, 1980 turns, killed by a killer bee 18:02 [US] disperse (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed Death, on T:48774 18:03 [US] rvcx (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:28503 18:03 [EU] elenmirie (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:8490 18:03 [US] Leggman (Val Dwa Fem Law) polymorphed her first item, on T:22483 18:06 [US] [A]: disperse (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 1743018 points, 48821 turns, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/d/disperse/tnnt/dumplog/1699296025.tnnt.html 18:07 [US] [D]: qt (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1958 points, 3335 turns, killed by an elf mummy 18:10 -!- Waffa has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:11 -!- engelson has joined #tnnt 18:12 [EU] Merlek (Val Hum Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:25846 18:13 [US] [D]: qt (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 394 points, 762 turns, killed by a werejackal 18:14 gg 18:15 Thanks! 18:15 [EU] [D]: ansic (Kni Hum Fem Law), 52 points, 137 turns, killed by a water moccasin 18:18 Congrats! :) 18:18 [EU] spontiff (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:62415 18:20 -!- crunchbubba has joined #tnnt 18:20 [US] Delrav (Bar Orc Fem Cha) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Set, on T:3890 18:20 -!- fakepass has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:21 -!- spontiff has joined #tnnt 18:21 -!- crunchbubba has quit [Client Quit] 18:22 [US] tsingi (Rog Orc Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:16875 18:22 [US] [D]: qt (Kni Hum Mal Law), 810 points, 1835 turns, killed by a death ray 18:22 gwtwod lol, classic 18:22 well my poor steed Bucephalus had just died anyway :( 18:23 [EU] Merlek (Val Hum Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a baluchitherium, on T:27763 18:23 [EU] [D]: engelson (Sam Hum Mal Law), 3849 points, 4700 turns, killed by an ettin mummy 18:23 [EU] [D]: ansic (Kni Hum Fem Law), 130 points, 593 turns, killed by a jackal 18:23 -!- martinp_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:25 [EU] mobileuser (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:23412 18:25 [US] [D]: Delrav (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 5131 points, 4070 turns, killed by brainlessness 18:26 -!- martinp has joined #tnnt 18:26 [US] klepto (Mon Hum Fem Neu) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a red naga corpse, on T:4988 18:27 [US] [D]: hilarita (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 850 points, 4055 turns, killed by a rabid rat 18:27 damn. MMF in the mines (and of course it's more bones) 18:28 -!- a1 has joined #tnnt 18:28 [US] klepto (Mon Hum Fem Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:5119 18:29 3.6 has the amnesia where i will forget the maps item id? 18:29 yes 18:30 [EU] [D]: ansic (Kni Hum Fem Law), 140 points, 447 turns, killed by a jackal (and one other game not reported) 18:30 i definitely prefer that than to going to basic in martial arts suddenly and no spells deep in dungeon 18:31 that draining is a death sentence for monk 18:31 [EU] finitelycraig (Sam Hum Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:45582 18:32 [EU] spontiff (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed Asmodeus, on T:63135 18:34 [EU] Merlek (Val Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:28297 18:35 [US] [D]: qt (Kni Hum Mal Law), 1335 points, 2654 turns, killed by a gnome lord 18:36 [EU] arjjra (Val Hum Fem Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:4232 18:37 [US] tsingi (Rog Orc Mal Cha) removed eitwinston's uncursed amulet of reflection from the swap chest, on T:17447 18:37 @Loggers_VIII, nice work on neolithid 18:38 giving it a go over and just for info's sake, dying of digestion while polymorphed doesn't kill you through that in 3.6.7 18:38 you return to normal form and get spit out 18:38 dunno if K2 changed that in Evil, though 18:38 [EU] [D]: Merlek (Val Hum Fem Law), 199281 points, 28423 turns, killed by a minotaur 18:38 [US] [D]: tsingi (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 27381 points, 17534 turns, killed by a balrog 18:39 oh good. looks like Bones hero had Cleaver as well (at least it wasn't some other garbage artifact that will be held against me) 18:39 [US] Furey (Cav Gno Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5326 18:39 [EU] blankman (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:6628 18:40 -!- engelson has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:40 i think i'm just gonna turn bones off. Now that I remember the wishing rules the ghosts give me anxiety 18:40 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 896 points, 1383 turns, killed by a dwarf 18:41 [EU] blankman (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Merlek's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:6876 18:41 this guy did have a magic whistle though so it would be nice to get that without having my brains sucked by the mmf 18:42 [EU] spontiff (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:63778 18:42 [EU] mobileuser (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:23855 18:42 -!- HalNovek has quit [Quit: Client closed] 18:45 [EU] blankman (Val Dwa Fem Law) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:7311 18:45 [EU] ais523 (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur, on T:2334 18:45 peaceful demilich on D:8 for some reason 18:46 ah, there is a polytrap in this room 18:46 [EU] [D]: engelson (Val Dwa Fem Law), 386 points, 1503 turns, killed by a giant mimic 18:46 I am glad that it's peaceful! 18:46 tfw a soldier throws a potion of acid and breaks it:(  :( :( 18:48 [US] Grouchy (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed amulet of life saving", on T:12498 18:48 [EU] mobileuser (Val Dwa Fem Law) bribed Baalzebub with 13 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:24145 18:49 [US] jackofclubs (Bar Orc Mal Cha) genocided master mind flayer, on T:35920 18:50 [US] klepto (Mon Hum Fem Neu) destroyed qt the dwarf mummy, and former Fighter, on T:6588 18:50 [EU] blankman (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "3 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:7587 18:50 [US] arnibald (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:58961 18:51 dear vanilla devteam, please give caveman some interesting features so they are not a low-rent barbarian with only reason for playing being a role completionist. 18:54 [EU] spontiff (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed Yeenoghu, on T:64355 18:54 -!- Arseniy has joined #tnnt 18:55 -!- spontiff has quit [Quit: Client closed] 18:55 -!- spontiff has joined #tnnt 18:55 [US] [D]: Staengia (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1413 points, 3130 turns, killed by a giant mimic (and one other game not reported) 18:56 [EU] nmlkj (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:4457 18:56 [US] [D]: hilarita (Pri Hum Fem Cha), 1053 points, 2801 turns, killed by a white unicorn 18:57 [US] jackofclubs (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:35963 18:57 [US] Athor (Mon Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:9607 18:57 [US] jackofclubs (Bar Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:35974 18:59 [EU] spontiff (Hea Gno Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:64512 18:59 [EU] spontiff (Hea Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:64519 19:00 Hourly Stats at 2023-11-08 19:00 UTC: Games: 45, Asc: 1, Scum: 24. 1d 10:46 gametime. (67%Law), 22d 04:59 remaining. 19:02 -!- tacco has joined #tnnt 19:03 [US] [D]: jmcunx (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 15 points, 131 turns, killed by a fox 19:03 [EU] HalNovek (Rog Orc Mal Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Kos, on T:3827 19:03 [US] jackofclubs (Bar Orc Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:36194 19:05 [US] klepto (Mon Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming an elf-lord, on T:7578 19:05 [US] Grouchy (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) averted death (poisoned by a giant spider), on T:14116 19:05 [EU] Merlek (Bar Hum Mal Neu) destroyed engelson's ghost, the former Skirmisher, on T:1717 19:05 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 19:07 [US] klepto (Mon Hum Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:7941 19:07 [EU] HarmathZsolt (Cav Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:16911 19:08 [US] jackofclubs (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:36319 19:09 [US] jackofclubs (Bar Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:36320 19:09 [EU] lacca (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a crude dagger on an altar, on T:3341 19:09 [EU] ais523 (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:5176 19:09 [EU] [D]: lacca (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 3544 points, 3347 turns, killed by an orcish arrow 19:09 [EU] mobileuser (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:24637 19:10 [EU] [D]: nmlkj (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 4432 points, 6755 turns, killed by a soldier ant, while praying 19:11 [EU] ais523 (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:5244 19:12 [EU] mobileuser (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:24654 19:12 -!- mobileuser has joined #tnnt 19:12 [US] Grouchy (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) removed hothraxxa's uncursed +0 set of silver dragon scales from the swap chest, on T:14751 19:13 [EU] [D]: Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 204 points, 629 turns, killed by a gas spore's explosion 19:13 [EU] ais523 (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:5294 19:13 [US] Grouchy (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:14768 19:14 [EU] Merlek (Bar Hum Mal Neu) became literate by reading a book, on T:3378 19:14 [US] [D]: jmcunx (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 294 points, 1222 turns, killed by a sewer rat 19:15 [EU] [D]: ais523 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 16852 points, 5422 turns, killed by a raven 19:17 [US] [D]: terrapin (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1229 points, 2416 turns, killed by a killer bee 19:17 [US] allanb (Val Dwa Fem Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a candy bar on an altar, on T:3169 19:18 -!- Waffa has joined #tnnt 19:19 -!- xdminsy has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:21 [US] klepto (Mon Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8627 19:21 [EU] [D]: ais523 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 906 points, 1451 turns, killed by a wererat 19:22 [US] strathmeyer (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed for the first time, on T:6377 19:24 [US] [D]: Delrav (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 645 points, 1779 turns, killed by a gnome 19:24 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 19:25 -!- Waffa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:26 [EU] [D]: Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 299 points, 960 turns, killed by a water demon 19:26 -!- Waffa has joined #tnnt 19:27 [EU] [D]: ais523 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 983 points, 1210 turns, killed by a water moccasin 19:32 -!- a1 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:33 [EU] [D]: ais523 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1024 points, 1315 turns, killed by a hill orc 19:34 [EU] blankman (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:10790 19:34 [US] [D]: jmcunx (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 5227 points, 1798 turns, killed by a killer bee 19:38 [US] Grouchy (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:17091 19:39 [EU] tromix (Bar Hum Mal Neu) had Vorpal Blade bestowed upon him by Crom, on T:27923 19:39 -!- Waffa has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:40 [US] Nesta (Ran Elf Mal Cha) murdered Mehitabel, his faithful wood nymph, on T:120958 19:40 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 19:40 [EU] [D]: ais523 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1113 points, 1486 turns, killed by a rope golem, while praying 19:40 -!- Furey has quit [Client Quit] 19:42 [US] Nesta (Ran Elf Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:120999 19:42 [EU] spontiff (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:66480 19:42 [EU] blankman (Val Dwa Fem Law) removed wispofvapor's blessed +4 silver dragon scale mail from the swap chest, on T:11258 19:44 [EU] Merlek (Bar Hum Mal Neu) removed blankman's uncursed +0 pair of gauntlets of power from the swap chest, on T:7270 19:44 [EU] [Q]: arjjra (Val Hum Fem Neu), 9082 points, 6638 turns, quit 19:47 -!- Waffa has joined #tnnt 19:48 [US] Athor (Mon Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:12835 19:48 -!- spontiff has quit [Quit: spontiff] 19:50 [US] allanb (Val Dwa Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:5940 19:50 is there an in-game way of seeing how many times youve killed rodney? he was level 41 last time i think 19:51 -!- Waffa1 has joined #tnnt 19:51 -!- Waffa has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:51 -!- Waffa1 is now known as Waffa 19:51 [EU] [D]: ais523 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1109 points, 2086 turns, killed by a giant spider 19:52 Nesta: it's probably on #species or #tnntstats 19:52 15 times 19:52 twice on PoE 19:52 which is a first for me 19:52 [US] Bartlem (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed the Master Assassin, on T:32860 19:52 [US] Bartlem (Rog Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:32860 19:53 [US] Grouchy (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (master mind flayer), on T:18095 19:54 [US] k2 (Pri Hum Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4380 19:55 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #tnnt 19:56 -!- Waffa has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:58 [US] Staengia (Arc Hum Mal Law) averted death (killed by a rabid rat), on T:2052 19:58 [US] [D]: Staengia (Arc Hum Mal Law), 658 points, 2054 turns, killed by a sewer rat 20:00 Hourly Stats at 2023-11-08 20:00 UTC: Games: 18, Asc: 0, Scum: 1. 47077 turns, 47978 points. (47%Val), 22d 03:59 remaining. 20:01 -!- klepto has quit [Quit: Client closed] 20:02 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 20:02 [US] klepto (Mon Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:12644 20:03 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:03 -!- Umbire has joined #tnnt 20:04 [EU] Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu) found kitten, on T:3792 20:04 all right, here we go... 20:04 [US] karafruit (Ran Elf Fem Cha) wished for "3 blessed potions of acid named please...", on T:44613 20:05 [US] Ardub (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Croesus, on T:25571 20:05 [US] karafruit (Ran Elf Fem Cha) wished for "3 blessed potions of acid named I can't believe I'm doing this", on T:44614 20:05 karafruit are you going for the all wish sources thing? 20:05 [US] Athor (Mon Hum Mal Cha) removed spazm's blessed +2 cloak of protection from the swap chest, on T:14643 20:05 [US] karafruit (Ran Elf Fem Cha) wished for "3 blessed potions of acid", on T:44618 20:05 yep... 20:06 lol 20:06 [US] k2 (Pri Hum Mal Neu) had Giantslayer bestowed upon him by Odin, on T:5794 20:06 only one i need yet is smoky 20:07 [US] karafruit (Ran Elf Fem Cha) wished for "3 blessed potions of acid", on T:44622 20:08 [EU] Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:4030 20:08 [US] karafruit (Ran Elf Fem Cha) wished for "3 blessed potions of acid", on T:44625 20:08 [US] Athor (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:15069 20:09 [US] karafruit (Ran Elf Fem Cha) wished for "3 blessed potions of acid", on T:44628 20:09 wish for 2 20:09 2 is lower expected value 20:09 wishing for 3'll get you less potions on average 20:09 3 gets you two on average, 2 gets you 1.67 on average 20:09 anyway, got it 20:10 wishing for 2 is twice as likely with only 1/3 less payout though 20:10 cause isn't 3 only a 1/3 chance 20:10 3 is half, 2 is 2/3 20:10 [US] k2 (Pri Hum Mal Neu) had Fire Brand bestowed upon him by Odin, on T:6760 20:10 50%??? holy 20:10 so three you get 1 half the time and 3 half the time, for expected value of 2 20:10 I need to wish for 3 20:11 [US] allanb (Val Dwa Fem Law) removed Bean's uncursed amulet of reflection from the swap chest, on T:7717 20:11 2 you get 2 two-thirds and 1 one-third, for 1.67 expected value 20:11 thank you jesus odin 20:11 [US] allanb (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7735 20:11 [US] karafruit (Ran Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased rustproof +2 helm of brilliance named All I Ever Wanted", on T:44629 20:11 my whole life I've been living a lie 20:11 should've wished for that helm +3 20:12 2 is slightly higher EV with blessed scroll of enchant armor after 20:12 blessed scroll of enchant armor is more likely to do +2 enchant than +3, often ending you up with +4 armor :( 20:12 I don't know if it's actually more likely, but it sure as hell feels like it :P 20:13 I don't really care about getting exactly +5 at this point, just want higher expected value :P 20:13 * karafruit80 looks at AC of -37 20:13 heh fair enough 20:13 though I guess there's the achievement for -50... 20:13 I always forget there's not much of a difference in +4/+5 armor in vanilla 20:13 you could drain yourself to level one and buy 20 points of protection! 20:14 lol. Already have 9, so getting the last 11 would be tricky, but true, a lot cehaper at level 1 20:14 [US] martinp (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) rejected atheism by offering a gnome corpse on an altar of Anhur, on T:5198 20:15 oh I have two enchant armor scrolls left, not just one 20:16 -!- mobileuser has joined #tnnt 20:16 ...shoot I should have checked the castle stores before wishing for armor maybe 20:16 [EU] [D]: AlbertB (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 6265 points, 11344 turns, killed by a wolf, while paralyzed by a monster 20:16 well-known fact that the castle stores never have anything useful unless you wished for that thing already 20:17 [US] [D]: hilarita (Val Hum Fem Law), 1409 points, 2712 turns, killed by a giant spider 20:17 ooh, then I'll have two and can risk trying to get +6 :D 20:17 [EU] Merlek (Bar Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a garter snake, on T:12165 20:18 [US] [D]: Staengia (Arc Hum Mal Law), 2374 points, 2940 turns, killed by a hill orc 20:18 [US] Athor (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:15468 20:19 [EU] blankman (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:14241 20:19 [EU] tromix (Bar Hum Mal Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon him by Crom, on T:29978 20:19 well, there's a helmet of a different kind I hadn't identified yet, so even if I'd object detected beforehand I wouldn't have known without going there and identifying it 20:20 could be speed 20:20 wait no that's not in vanilla 20:20 either telepathy or opposite alignment I think at this point 20:20 I'll know soon enough 20:21 [EU] finitelycraig (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:47697 20:21 [EU] finitelycraig (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:47698 20:21 at least variant brain hasn't been completely beating your ass Loggers_VIII 20:21 opposite alignment's nice if you don't have any scruples about usin' it on astral 20:22 also did you see what I said re: flayerworm article 20:22 true 20:22 [US] DekaFumoPuzzle (Kni Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:16506 20:22 oh yeah umbire 20:22 *shakes 21% spell failure rate* what do you want from me, game? D:  (presumably a robe...) 20:23 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 20:23 it's probably worth mentioning that ith race players can get instakilled, but I haven't looked to see the changes yet 20:23 $whereis karafruit 20:23 Umbire: [US] karafruit : (Ran Elf Fem Cha) T:44612 The Dungeons of Doom level: 29 20:23 [US] [D]: SkydiveMike (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 191 points, 956 turns, killed by a gas spore's explosion 20:23 What armor are you wearing 20:24 GDSM and no iron (boots of speed, cloak of protection, helm of brilliance, gauntlets of dex) 20:24 oh and the Really Cool Shirt, ofc 20:25 ah, just ranger casting issues then 20:25 21% fail rate for what may I ask 20:27 [US] [D]: rvcx (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 237654 points, 33784 turns, killed by a captain (and 13 other games not reported) 20:27 yeah, ranger casting issues lol. basically everything except high-level stuff and healing (because emergency penalty) 20:27 it's fine for identify really, just annoying 20:27 omg karafruit, you got the achievement! 20:27 and detect treasure 20:27 I did 20:27 took me six wishes and 14 smoky potions 20:28 [EU] mobileuser (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:25440 20:28 [EU] mobileuser (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:25441 20:28 (plus the several I'd chugged earlier in the game...) 20:28 Loggers_VIII: how do illithids get instakilled by neothelids? 20:28 congratulations, that one is so hard 20:28 noisytoot, digestion 20:28 [US] [D]: terrapin (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 173 points, 281 turns, killed by a water demon 20:28 I def got super lucky, both on the fountain demon and in getting 3 potions from 5 of my six wishes 20:28 it's obviously pretty unlikely given the nature of digestion but it can still happen 20:29 neothelids are tanky 20:29 -!- elenmirie has joined #tnnt 20:30 [US] [D]: hilarita (Pri Hum Fem Law), 120 points, 329 turns, killed by a newt 20:32 Loggers_VIII, lemme know when you look over the pass I gave it 20:33 aight I'll take a look now 20:35 -!- Log has joined #tnnt 20:37 [US] [D]: hilarita (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 334 points, 1123 turns, killed by a giant mimic 20:37 [EU] Raisse (Tou Hum Fem Neu) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:5370 20:37 [US] [D]: terrapin (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 184 points, 705 turns, killed by a gnome lord 20:37 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:38 -!- Log is now known as Loggers_VIII 20:40 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 1847 points, 6366 turns, killed by a giant ant 20:40 [US] eitwinston (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "amulet of life saving", on T:33509 20:40 [US] kodon (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:36113 20:41 [EU] tromix (Bar Hum Mal Neu) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon him by Crom, on T:33496 20:41 [EU] Merlek (Bar Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:15689 20:42 [US] [D]: Athor (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 60247 points, 18733 turns, petrified by a cockatrice 20:42 [US] [D]: Evendur (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 110 points, 566 turns, killed by a small mimic 20:42 congrats karafruit80 20:43 [US] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) made his first artifact wish - "blessed rustproof +2 Stormbringer", on T:31804 20:43 that is a weird wish 20:44 [EU] finitelycraig (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Famine, on T:48408 20:44 [US] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:32040 20:44 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:45 for the drain resistance? 20:45 [EU] finitelycraig (Sam Hum Fem Law) wished for "helm of opposite alignment", on T:48428 20:45 Why use a wish instead of just getting crowned? 20:46 [EU] DoktorL (Rog Orc Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:33009 20:46 [EU] Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu) murdered his faithful little dog, on T:5315 20:47 [EU] [A]: finitelycraig (Sam Hum Fem Cha), 1173879 points, 48430 turns, ascended 20:47 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/f/finitelycraig/tnnt/dumplog/1699318275.tnnt.html 20:47 gg 20:47 gg 20:47 [EU] mobileuser (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "magic marker", on T:25460 20:48 [EU] DoktorL (Rog Orc Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:33108 20:48 tjw: monk not only would have to get crowned, but be carrying a +oRA 20:48 [US] [D]: k2 (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 10700 points, 9740 turns, killed by an owlbear (and 5 other games not reported) 20:49 :c 20:49 [US] Nesta (Ran Elf Mal Cha) killed Death, on T:122661 20:49 [US] tjw (Bar Orc Mal Cha) removed Bean's uncursed +0 alchemy smock from the swap chest, on T:58952 20:50 grats 20:50 [US] [D]: mindcool (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 1098 points, 1551 turns, killed by a rabid rat 20:50 [US] [D]: hilarita (Arc Gno Mal Neu), 227 points, 491 turns, killed by a small mimic 20:50 thanks tjw! 20:50 [US] eitwinston (Val Hum Fem Law) bribed Baalzebub with 55 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:34274 20:51 [EU] [D]: fragmites (Pri Hum Fem Cha), 676 points, 1750 turns, killed by a giant mimic 20:52 I'd like to think that my GDSM contributed in some small way to that magnificent achievement 20:52 [EU] Merlek (Bar Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed greased fixed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:17090 20:52 [US] Nesta (Ran Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed rusty ice box named Iggloo", on T:122726 20:53 [US] [D]: allanb (Val Dwa Fem Law), 27530 points, 11533 turns, killed by a flesh golem 20:53 [US] Nesta (Ran Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed figurine of a succubus named Lafawnduh", on T:122733 20:53 Nesta, almost forgot to check in, glad you've pulled it off 20:53 tjw: oh yeah, that was yours! It def was a huge help, otherwise I probably still wouldn't have magic resistance and would have died or not had the spare wishes for 16 potions of acid lol 20:54 -!- Waffa has joined #tnnt 20:54 also shoutouts to klipto for the huge hoard in their bones file :D 20:54 Though, did you check to see your ice box was empty after wishing it up? 20:56 [US] [D]: Staengia (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1176 points, 1887 turns, killed by a water elemental 20:57 [US] Jilvane (Bar Orc Fem Cha) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Set, on T:4021 20:58 [US] [D]: hilarita (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 718 points, 1480 turns, killed by a giant ant 20:59 dang, all the other ungotten achievements look like they take actual work and not just a lot of luck :P  any ballparks on how many confused create monster scrolls it would take to fill astral with acid blobs? 20:59 [EU] [D]: AlbertB (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 1179 points, 3706 turns, killed by a dwarf zombie, while frozen by a monster's gaze 20:59 gg 20:59 and that's a wrap 21:00 Hourly Stats at 2023-11-08 21:00 UTC: Games: 25, Asc: 1, Scum: 1. 161790 turns, 1528250 points. (25%Pri), 22d 02:59 remaining. 21:00 [US] Delrav (Val Hum Fem Law) received Excalibur, on T:2520 21:00 oh congrats karafruit80, nice one 21:00 [US] Jilvane (Bar Orc Fem Cha) murdered smunchkin, her faithful large cat, on T:4179 21:00 [EU] [D]: fragmites (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 852 points, 1430 turns, killed by a bear trap 21:00 tjw: true. I might risk it as a Wiz 21:00 it wasn't even close to empty and it took me forever to figure that out lol 21:00 eh, why not ... karafruit80, i brought 48 scrolls and got the ach 21:01 I said that for a reason lmao 21:01 [EU] Merlek (Bar Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:19018 21:01 If you insist on the demigod bar tradition I feel like you might be able to specify an empty one 21:01 [US] allanb (Pri Elf Mal Cha) had Sting bestowed upon him by Huhetotl, on T:1299 21:02 umbire: i haven't ascended with an ice box, but i brought an ice box to the dev team office and put in 18 boozes and 4 fruit juices 21:02 [US] [D]: mindcool (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 265 points, 897 turns, killed by a black pudding (and one other game not reported) 21:02 killed rodney 18 times. 21:02 -!- Waffa has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:03 [US] DekaFumoPuzzle (Kni Hum Fem Law) had Grayswandir bestowed upon her by Lugh, on T:18838 21:03 $whereis nesta 21:03 Loggers_VIII: [US] Nesta : (Ran Elf Mal Cha) T:122757 The Elemental Planes level: -5 21:03 Nesta just ascended, going through the endgame logs 21:03 -!- Dictyostelium has joined #tnnt 21:04 i think it's my first "survivor" asc 21:05 only real bummer was I never found the 3rd devteam scroll. 21:06 [EU] DoktorL (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed the Master Assassin, on T:35153 21:06 [EU] DoktorL (Rog Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:35155 21:06 that is gonna be my only objective next game 21:06 [US] [A]: Nesta (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 4055944 points, 122757 turns, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/N/Nesta/tnnt/dumplog/1699069619.tnnt.html 21:06 grats nesta! 21:06 [US] [D]: Delrav (Val Hum Fem Law), 1299 points, 3285 turns, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted gnome lord, while fainted from lack of food 21:08 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 21:08 [US] allanb (Pri Elf Mal Cha) had Orcrist bestowed upon him by Huhetotl, on T:2121 21:09 gg Nesta 21:09 does the tnnt site take time to update? I wanna see my asc 21:09 [US] [D]: mindcool (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 591 points, 1358 turns, killed by a goblin, while frozen by a monster's gaze 21:09 [US] [D]: Jilvane (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 9994 points, 5150 turns, killed by a tiger 21:10 nesta: iirc, site updates once every ten minutes, but that's just my impression 21:10 do another asc while you're waiting (if you are disperse) 21:10 [EU] [D]: fragmites (Val Dwa Fem Law), 537 points, 1224 turns, killed by a little dog, while fainted from lack of food 21:11 wow, ok 21:11 that is the fastest I have ever died 21:11 [US] [D]: allanb (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 703 points, 2444 turns, killed by a bolt of cold 21:11 it updated 21:11 wait that wasn't even a tournament game 21:11 whoops 21:12 holy shit started a new game to find werebane sitting right next to the opening stairs 21:12 and yeah i might do a valk or a wiz next time. I've been trying to ascend an elf ranger in NAO tournaments for (mumble) years 21:12 turn 3 21:12 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/503281133438369792/1171920298912796762/image.png?ex=655e6ed4&is=654bf9d4&hm=85c0c32becb3c237f3c43c98c1c762be55646acffb1a69a5081cbbaccb3299b1& 21:13 site does take 10 minutes to update 21:13 -!- a1 has joined #tnnt 21:14 [EU] DoktorL (Rog Orc Mal Cha) genocided class h, on T:35411 21:14 [US] [D]: jmcunx (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 252 points, 2192 turns, killed by a brown mold 21:14 [US] [D]: k2 (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 186 points, 917 turns, killed by a coyote (and 3 other games not reported) 21:15 [US] [D]: tizreader (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 68 points, 262 turns, killed by a fox 21:15 [US] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Croesus, on T:19749 21:15 [US] [D]: terrapin (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 1353 points, 3127 turns, killed by a crossbow bolt 21:15 of course, werebane kind of sucks and I can't gain skill in silver saber 21:15 that was stupid 21:15 [EU] [D]: fragmites (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 185 points, 609 turns, killed by a small mimic 21:16 [US] eitwinston (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:34299 21:19 -!- mobileuser has joined #tnnt 21:23 how does a Tiger hit me three times in melee combat, when it has speed 12, and i was fast at Speed 16, unencumbered. 21:23 I literally pressed one move into the tiger, and then my game was instantly over 21:24 speed system is semirandom 21:24 the tiger, in the log, literally got THREE FULL TURNS 21:24 hitting me with all attacks, before i even connected 21:24 ??? 21:24 speed system, it is semirandom 21:24 can I see the log 21:24 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 21:25 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/J/Jilvane/tnnt/dumplog/1699413542.tnnt.html 21:25 -!- klepto has joined #tnnt 21:25 [US] [D]: qt (Kni Hum Fem Law), 1719 points, 4387 turns, killed by a fire ant 21:26 damn fire ant snuck up on me 21:26 [US] a1 (Val Dwa Mal Law) genocided class ;, on T:50162 21:27 [US] kodon (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +3 helm of brilliance", on T:36437 21:27 [EU] DoktorL (Rog Orc Mal Cha) bribed Asmodeus with 1000 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:36333 21:27 [US] [D]: mindcool (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 1073 points, 1793 turns, killed by a blue jelly 21:27 [US] [D]: hilarita (Val Hum Fem Law), 535 points, 1263 turns, killed by a fox 21:28 yeah looks like you just got super system’s 21:28 *speed system’s 21:28 *SYSTEM’D 21:28 [EU] DoktorL (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:36711 21:29 gotta love it 21:29 [EU] DoktorL (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:36715 21:29 randomized speed feels like a scam sometimes 21:29 is tnnt based on 3.6.0? 21:29 3.6.7 21:29 [EU] [D]: Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 15620 points, 8941 turns, killed by a soldier ant 21:29 yeah i got speed scammed once by the Elder Priest in the sanctum of Moloch in Dnethack 21:29 and then my run was instantly over 21:29 [US] [D]: jientho (Ran Orc Mal Cha), 856 points, 1687 turns, killed by a killer bee 21:30 o well 21:30 [US] [D]: mindcool (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 142 points, 282 turns, killed by a hobbit 21:30 rip 21:30 kinda pissed off already because my Large Kitten Smunchkin, also walked right into range of my Cleaver and got one shot 21:30 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #tnnt 21:31 altho that one is way on me 21:31 anyways, time for another run 21:31 I'm not sure exactly how the speed system works, but I think that maybe you lost a movement point and the tiger gained one? 21:31 on the same turn 21:32 [EU] DoktorL (Rog Orc Mal Cha) bribed Baalzebub with 1488 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:37250 21:32 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Client Quit] 21:32 [US] a1 (Val Dwa Mal Law) killed Famine, on T:50239 21:32 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #tnnt 21:34 -!- Dictyostelium has quit [Quit: Client closed] 21:36 -!- crunchbubba has joined #tnnt 21:36 [EU] DoktorL (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed Orcus, on T:37675 21:37 [US] [D]: nabru (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 2321 points, 4432 turns, killed by a large mimic 21:37 [US] [A]: a1 (Val Dwa Mal Law), 3344442 points, 50262 turns, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/a/a1/tnnt/dumplog/1699167331.tnnt.html 21:38 [EU] [D]: Dictyostelium (Val Dwa Fem Law), 230 points, 1556 turns, killed by a wand, while sleeping 21:38 woooo. my first deathless ascension ever 21:39 congrats a1! 21:39 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 21:39 thank you kind mobileuser 21:39 grats a1! 21:39 congrats a1! 21:39 gj 21:40 $lastgame allanb 21:40 nabru: [US] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/a/allanb/tnnt/dumplog/1699476797.tnnt.html 21:40 [US] nabru (Bar Orc Fem Cha) destroyed allanb's ghost, the former Acolyte, on T:217 21:40 gg 21:41 gg a1 21:41 [EU] DoktorL (Rog Orc Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:38344 21:41 [EU] DoktorL (Rog Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:38346 21:41 [EU] khamul (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered Gehennom, on T:42010 21:42 [US] Zolar (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:791 21:42 [US] eitwinston (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:36316 21:42 thanks all! it feels good to be getting better! 21:44 [US] [D]: tizreader (Sam Hum Fem Law), 491 points, 1312 turns, killed by an acid blob 21:44 an acid blob???? 21:44 dammit I was blind 21:45 [US] [D]: nabru (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 1428 points, 749 turns, killed by a giant ant 21:45 go team a! 21:45 what do you typically do with unID'd rings/amulets? 21:45 do you just wear them? 21:46 at least try to discover whether they're cursed or not 21:46 [EU] [D]: Dictyostelium (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 112 points, 416 turns, killed by a poisonous corpse 21:47 [US] [D]: jmcunx (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 779 points, 2364 turns, killed by a hobbit 21:47 dang Kops are so not prepared to defend a shop on the 25th floor 21:47 [EU] Evilparsnips (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:31987 21:48 kops are this hack 1.0.3d feature (i think) and haven't been rebalanced in decades 21:49 awww, cream pies aren't valid in swap chest? I wanted to dump a stack of like 50 in there lol 21:49 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 21:49 [US] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed tizreader's ghost, the former Ronin, on T:674 21:49 $lastgame tizreader 21:49 nabru: [US] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/t/tizreader/tnnt/dumplog/1699478144.tnnt.html 21:49 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #tnnt 21:50 The way it aged makes them suitably Keystone-y I think 21:50 even for hack 1.0.3d they're pretty wimpy 21:50 [US] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) murdered your 2004 Toyota, her faithful little dog, on T:686 21:51 [EU] finitelycraig (Bar Hum Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping an orcish dagger on an altar, on T:4633 21:52 [US] [D]: nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 720 points, 827 turns, killed by a rothe 21:53 [US] [D]: mindcool (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 1682 points, 2121 turns, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted Green-elf, while frozen by a monster's gaze 21:53 [US] [D]: tizreader (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 368 points, 1017 turns, killed by a gas spore's explosion 21:53 ouch 21:54 that was a bad idea ™️ 21:54 -!- a1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:54 [EU] khamul (Sam Hum Mal Law) removed xdminsy's uncursed ring of levitation from the swap chest, on T:42447 21:54 [US] mrflash818 (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:30219 21:54 [EU] DoktorL (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:40025 21:54 [EU] DoktorL (Rog Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:40028 21:55 [EU] mobileuser (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided mind flayer, on T:25665 21:55 [EU] DoktorL (Rog Orc Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:40057 21:56 [EU] mobileuser (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided master mind flayer, on T:25671 21:57 -!- klepto has quit [Quit: Client closed] 21:59 [US] hothraxxa (Kni Hum Mal Law) genocided class m, on T:43621 22:00 Hourly Stats at 2023-11-08 22:00 UTC: Games: 36, Asc: 1, Scum: 2. 107887 turns, 3389302 points. (26%Pri), 22d 01:59 remaining. 22:00 [US] [D]: maneatingcow (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1383 points, 3132 turns, killed by an ape 22:01 -!- a1 has joined #tnnt 22:01 [EU] fragmites (Pri Hum Mal Cha) averted death (killed by a gnome), on T:4877 22:04 [EU] DoktorL (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:40632 22:04 [EU] DoktorL (Rog Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:40635 22:06 [EU] Evilparsnips (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "Blessed ring of levitation", on T:32660 22:06 [EU] finitelycraig (Bar Hum Fem Neu) murdered HOOFS, her faithful horse, on T:7567 22:08 [US] [D]: mindcool (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 1587 points, 1726 turns, killed by a dwarf 22:08 -!- efot has joined #tnnt 22:08 [US] [D]: peterg (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 2856 points, 3910 turns, killed by a fire ant 22:09 [EU] [D]: finitelycraig (Bar Hum Fem Neu), 11133 points, 8195 turns, killed by a white unicorn 22:09 [US] [D]: mindcool (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 5 points, 100 turns, killed by a water moccasin 22:11 [EU] [D]: fragmites (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 4325 points, 5884 turns, killed by a jaguar 22:11 [US] kodon (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "fixed +3 magic marker", on T:37209 22:11 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 22:11 [US] karafruit (Ran Elf Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:46370 22:11 [EU] DoktorL (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:41619 22:14 worm next to tower magic portal. I wonder if his tail went through the portal. I'm sure I saw a tail earlier. 22:14 [US] kodon (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "magic marker", on T:37221 22:14 -!- crunchbubba has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 22:15 [US] [D]: nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1336 points, 1709 turns, killed by an owlbear 22:15 I don't think that's possible. 22:16 [EU] [D]: Dictyostelium (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 500 points, 2030 turns, killed by a giant rat, while frozen by a monster's gaze 22:16 [EU] blankman (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:21746 22:16 [EU] blankman (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:21749 22:17 -!- a1 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:17 [EU] DoktorL (Rog Orc Mal Cha) wished for "marker", on T:42484 22:19 [EU] DoktorL (Rog Orc Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:42560 22:19 [EU] DoktorL (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (10 times), on T:42561 22:19 [EU] khamul (Sam Hum Mal Law) genocided master mind flayer, on T:42991 22:19 [US] [D]: mindcool (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 1466 points, 2138 turns, killed by a Green-elf 22:20 [US] [D]: jmcunx (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 136 points, 769 turns, killed by a goblin 22:21 [EU] [D]: Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 4039 points, 3406 turns, killed by an ogre 22:21 [EU] blankman (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:22477 22:21 [US] karafruit (Ran Elf Fem Cha) removed Merlek's uncursed ring of free action from the swap chest, on T:46582 22:22 thanks Merlek! 22:22 ah shoot I meant to put more stuff in first tho 22:22 [US] maneatingcow (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3121 22:22 [US] jackofclubs (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:37341 22:22 [EU] DoktorL (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed Pestilence, on T:42745 22:23 [EU] fragmites (Mon Hum Fem Law) destroyed Dictyostelium's ghost, the former Empiric, on T:1298 22:23 [EU] [A]: DoktorL (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 1773872 points, 42765 turns, ascended 22:23 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/D/DoktorL/tnnt/dumplog/1699311486.tnnt.html 22:23 TOURNAMENT MILESTONE: 100 ascended games. 22:24 heh I reached the vibrating square level but I haven't forgotten my spell yet for confused gold detection 22:24 yay 100th ascension get 22:24 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 22:24 \o/ 22:24 congrats!! 22:24 woohoo 22:24 excellent Arseniy 22:24 not shabby 22:25 wait a second 22:25 does tho 100 ascension count beta period or what? 22:25 100 sounds like a lot 22:25 leaderboard absolutely doess not add up to 100 22:25 yeah I just counted that too 22:25 [US] [D]: maneatingcow (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2315 points, 3673 turns, killed by a soldier ant 22:26 [EU] Evilparsnips (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "Blessed +2 rustproof elven boots", on T:33464 22:26 me too lol 22:26 interesting wish Evilparsnips 22:26 i did 6 ascs in beta, dunno if anyone else did any, if that helps rectify your counts 22:26 like, 85 or so? 22:26 Yes 22:26 [EU] finitelycraig (Bar Hum Fem Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Crom, on T:4447 22:26 actually i do know, hearsegirl ascended in beta 22:27 i had it count all my deaths as ascensions on the scoreboard 22:27 [US] jackofclubs (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed Asmodeus, on T:37568 22:27 oh hmm 22:27 so did torpedojuice or torpedovariant 22:27 or does it add up 22:27 to give a more even playing field given my skill level 22:27 and maybe disperse did too 22:27 i will use the power of javascript to find out 22:27 all those oct 31 players 22:27 don't do it stenno 22:27 the power of javascript corrupts javascriptlutely 22:28 stenno: I counted clan leaderboard too and got 83 without the one I just did 22:28 No javascript, just write 25+14+8+7+7+6+4+3+2+2+2+1+1+1 22:28 DoktorL was my dethmatch arena foe 22:29 not the hardest opponent usually 22:30 arseniy: your numbers are clan numbers, several players who are not in clans have ascended 22:30 [EU] finitelycraig (Bar Hum Fem Neu) destroyed mindcool's ghost, the former Pillager, on T:5124 22:31 its 100 22:31 oh right 22:31 well, 99 22:31 [...document.querySelectorAll('td:nth-child(4):not(.rightmenu)')].reduce((acc,cur) => acc + +cur.innerText, 0) 22:31 mine is still not there 22:32 yeah 22:32 woo, successfully shoo'd yeenoghu out of the dungeon :D 22:32 [US] allanb (Pri Elf Mal Cha) destroyed mindcool's ghost, the former Pillager, on T:3808 22:32 well then, time flies! 22:32 so actually really 100 ascs 22:32 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 22:32 [EU] [D]: Dictyostelium (Cav Hum Fem Neu), 299 points, 1424 turns, killed by a gnome king 22:33 Also, go dinos! You're in contention for 3rd place. 22:33 [US] [D]: OmegaDino (Val Hum Fem Neu), 2417 points, 2977 turns, killed by a bolt of fire 22:33 [US] Dx34 (Kni Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed wand of polymorph", on T:25296 22:34 -!- mobileuser has joined #tnnt 22:34 [EU] Evilparsnips (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) bribed Asmodeus with 3 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:34177 22:36 [EU] nurdglaw (Val Hum Fem Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a scroll labeled ASHPD SODALG named not cursed on an altar, on T:6527 22:37 =--- 22:37 -!- mobileuser has quit [Client Quit] 22:37 Wow, spazm just had the bullshittest ending to a streak in the history of streaks 22:37 [EU] blankman (Val Dwa Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:22730 22:38 [US] hothraxxa (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:44690 22:38 [US] Scuzzery (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:15362 22:38 [EU] finitelycraig (Bar Hum Fem Neu) destroyed nabru's ghost, the former Pillager, on T:5282 22:39 karafruit80: good going, you're on fire! 22:39 I feel mildly warm. 22:39 [US] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:880 22:40 [EU] deki (Val Hum Fem Law) found kitten, on T:2307 22:41 [US] Bean (Sam Hum Fem Law) wished for "Blessed magic marker", on T:26069 22:42 [US] hothraxxa (Kni Hum Mal Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:44832 22:43 [US] allanb (Pri Elf Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:4790 22:43 [US] hothraxxa (Kni Hum Mal Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:44836 22:43 Arseniy: grid bug? 22:43 [EU] [D]: Dictyostelium (Bar Hum Mal Cha), 349 points, 798 turns, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted kitten 22:46 [US] Scuzzery (Mon Hum Fem Neu) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a lizard corpse, on T:15723 22:46 [US] [D]: Zolar (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 7252 points, 7318 turns, killed by a chameleon imitating a purple worm 22:47 No, that would be the lamest. It was poisen instadeath on first hit. 22:48 The game full of shit you see, not the player :) 22:48 [EU] [D]: Dictyostelium (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 90 points, 364 turns, poisoned by a rotted kobold corpse 22:49 -!- tacco has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:49 [US] jackofclubs (Bar Orc Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:38757 22:49 [US] Bean (Sam Hum Fem Law) wished for "Blessed magic marker", on T:26162 22:49 [US] jackofclubs (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (10 times), on T:38758 22:50 [EU] deki (Val Hum Fem Law) received Excalibur, on T:4178 22:51 when I lost one of my streak attempts to poison instadeath, at least it was a spiked pit which I stepped into for the second time 22:51 -!- crunchbubba has joined #tnnt 22:51 they said somewhere the odds of it instakilling them were like 1 in 457 or something 22:54 [US] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (woodchuck), on T:25648 22:54 [US] Bean (Sam Hum Fem Law) wished for "Blessed amulet of life saving", on T:26211 22:54 [EU] blankman (Val Dwa Fem Law) has entered the Arena, on T:23030 22:55 [US] Bean (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:26220 22:55 [US] Dx34 (Kni Hum Mal Law) polymorphed his first object, on T:26260 22:57 sounds about right 22:57 [EU] blankman (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Loggers the Excavator in a deathmatch, on T:23063 22:58 :( 23:00 Hourly Stats at 2023-11-08 23:00 UTC: Games: 18, Asc: 1, Scum: 0. 92318 turns, 1815360 points. (44%Cha), 22d 00:59 remaining. 23:01 mean :( 23:01 [EU] fragmites (Mon Hum Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:3633 23:02 [US] [D]: dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 203557 points, 26049 turns, killed by an exploding wand 23:03 [US] peterg (Arc Gno Fem Neu) destroyed Dictyostelium's ghost, the former Troglodyte, on T:964 23:04 [US] [D]: richo (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 369 points, 832 turns, killed by a hobbit 23:05 [EU] fragmites (Mon Hum Fem Law) removed Raisse's cursed wand of create monster (0:14) from the swap chest, on T:3664 23:07 -!- efot has quit [Quit: Client closed] 23:07 [EU] blankman (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:23318 23:07 [EU] [D]: deki (Val Hum Fem Law), 17510 points, 6871 turns, killed by a soldier ant 23:08 [US] klepto (Mon Hum Fem Neu) destroyed dbanethacker's ghost, the former Woman-at-arms, on T:25543 23:13 [US] [D]: peterg (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 854 points, 1547 turns, killed by an arrow 23:13 [EU] [D]: Gandelf (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 730 points, 2334 turns, killed by a dwarf lord 23:14 [US] Leggman (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:27792 23:14 -!- elenmirie has joined #tnnt 23:15 [US] tjw (Bar Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed sprig of wolfsbane named OMELET", on T:60777 23:15 [US] Dx34 (Kni Hum Mal Law) just blew up his bag of holding, on T:26593 23:16 [US] [Q]: nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1601 points, 3192 turns, quit 23:16 stupid nymph 23:22 [US] [D]: quervo1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 200 points, 686 turns, killed by a gecko 23:23 [US] [D]: Staengia (Arc Hum Mal Law), 2451 points, 3175 turns, killed by an elf zombie 23:25 [US] klepto (Mon Hum Fem Neu) averted death (killed by an invisible titan), on T:26553 23:25 [US] [D]: quervo1 (Arc Hum Mal Law), 959 points, 680 turns, killed by a grid bug 23:25 [US] [D]: nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 729 points, 1666 turns, killed by a blast of acid 23:25 ... WTF YELLOW DRAGON IN MINES 23:25 $lastgame nabru 23:25 nabru: [US] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/tnnt/dumplog/1699485386.tnnt.html 23:26 and those weren't bones, either 23:26 [US] Scuzzery (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Croesus, on T:17623 23:27 digging for swap chest and instead you got acid burned 23:28 polytrap? 23:28 tjw: probably 23:28 [US] efot (Arc Hum Fem Law) had Grayswandir bestowed upon her by Quetzalcoatl, on T:24900 23:28 I had one of those make a black dragon in my Mines. Good times. 23:29 [US] Leggman (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:28380 23:29 [US] Leggman (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed +3 greased fireproof cloak of magic resistance", on T:28381 23:29 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 23:29 [EU] nurdglaw (Val Hum Fem Law) received Excalibur, on T:8522 23:29 [US] Leggman (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed +3 fireproof silver dragon scale mail", on T:28385 23:30 [US] Bean (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Ashikaga Takauji, on T:29176 23:30 [US] Bean (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:29177 23:31 [US] Ardub (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:27310 23:31 [EU] [D]: ansic (Kni Hum Fem Law), 116 points, 619 turns, killed by a bolt of fire 23:31 zapped at dungeon level 2 23:31 [US] Leggman (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed +3 fireproof boots of speed", on T:28398 23:31 do you have nobones set? 23:31 Yes, why? 23:32 sorry, nabru, do you have nobones set? 23:32 [US] Leggman (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed +3 greased fireproof helm of telepathy", on T:28432 23:32 crunchbubba: nope 23:32 [EU] ansic (Kni Hum Fem Law) murdered her faithful pony, on T:31 23:32 [US] Leggman (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first artifact wish - "blessed +3 Grayswandir", on T:28435 23:34 then how do you know the yellow dragons aren't from bones? (I may be misreading again) 23:34 [EU] [D]: ansic (Kni Hum Fem Law), 10 points, 113 turns, killed by a goblin 23:34 [US] [D]: klepto (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 175359 points, 27420 turns, petrified by a cockatrice 23:35 [EU] [D]: ansic (Kni Hum Fem Law), 48 points, 156 turns, killed by a water demon 23:35 -!- klepto has joined #tnnt 23:35 -!- Noims has joined #tnnt 23:36 dammit, orc town for the 3rd time in 8 days 23:36 OMG zruty did 50 points of damage in one shot 23:37 [US] [D]: nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 654 points, 1477 turns, killed by a killer bee 23:37 crunchbubba: it could be from bones, indeed 23:37 $lastgame klepto 23:37 tjw: [US] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/klepto/tnnt/dumplog/1699464485.tnnt.html 23:37 I guess I will just dive to mines end, then 23:38 [US] [D]: Furey (Cav Gno Mal Neu), 21969 points, 13251 turns, killed by a zruty 23:38 F 23:39 [US] [D]: k2 (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1610 points, 4802 turns, killed by a rothe (and 3 other games not reported) 23:39 titan vaporizing my gloves just before fighting a cockatrice barehanded is just golden 23:39 [EU] [D]: ansic (Kni Hum Fem Law), 288 points, 1298 turns, killed by a kobold lord 23:40 $lastgame Furey 23:40 Furey: [US] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/F/Furey/tnnt/dumplog/1699444464.tnnt.html 23:40 [US] [D]: k2 (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 68 points, 179 turns, killed by a falling rock 23:40 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 23:41 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 23:41 -!- tinklebear has joined #tnnt 23:41 [US] karafruit (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:47394 23:41 Watch out for falling rock! 23:42 You miss the zruty. 23:42 The zruty hits! 23:42 The zruty hits! 23:42 The zruty bites! 23:42 The zruty hits! 23:42 The zruty hits! 23:42 The zruty bites! 23:42 You die... 23:42 that zruty knows how to fight 23:42 Maybe that was movement point jitter, or maybe that was my fault for being burdened 23:43 they aren't slow 23:43 [US] Bean (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:30706 23:43 [US] allanb (Pri Elf Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:6754 23:43 Yes they are. Speed 8. 23:43 so they are 23:44 I was AC 0, never bought prot because I attack wanded in minetown and the ray went all the way to a shopkeeper door. 23:44 [EU] blankman (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:25114 23:44 Well, you got me, RNG! Good one. 23:44 [EU] DoktorL (Ran Hum Mal Cha) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a hobbit corpse, on T:3301 23:44 being burdened’ll do that to you 23:44 they hit hard, and that was a lot of hits 23:45 (see, not everything I say is untrue) 23:45 it only got two turns on you, presumably since you were burdened. They get two claws and a bite every turn 23:45 rip :( 23:46 [US] [D]: k2 (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 227 points, 818 turns, zapped himself with a wand (and one other game not reported) 23:46 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 23:46 [US] Bean (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:31082 23:47 djinni chances are only to get one, right? Like the odds of a wish are fixed? 23:47 [US] karafruit (Ran Elf Fem Cha) bribed Asmodeus with 1 zorkmid for safe passage, on T:47581 23:48 [US] karafruit (Ran Elf Fem Cha) genocided class L, on T:47597 23:49 richo: potion or lamp? 23:49 [US] Bean (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:31389 23:50 [US] Dx34 (Kni Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed greased bag of holding", on T:29848 23:50 [US] allanb (Pri Elf Mal Cha) found kitten, on T:7708 23:51 [US] Bean (Sam Hum Fem Law) genocided class R, on T:31505 23:51 [EU] [D]: blankman (Val Dwa Fem Law), 421832 points, 25419 turns, choked on a wraith corpse 23:51 [US] [D]: richo (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 4431 points, 2820 turns, killed by a giant spider 23:51 tjw: potion 23:51 [US] Dx34 (Kni Hum Mal Law) entered Gehennom, on T:29859 23:52 also rip, I actually felt like Iw as onto a good thing on that one :( 23:52 [EU] nurdglaw (Val Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:9763 23:52 [US] klepto (Mon Hum Fem Neu) found kitten, on T:1315 23:55 -!- martinp has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:55 Right, the number of djinn affects chance of a smoky potion to produce one, then what happens depends on the BUC of the potion, same as lamp 23:56 -!- martinp has joined #tnnt 23:56 [US] karafruit (Ran Elf Fem Cha) bribed Baalzebub with 3 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:47836 23:56 [US] Bean (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:32055 23:56 [US] Dx34 (Kni Hum Mal Law) genocided class V, on T:30057 23:57 $lastgame blankman 23:57 tjw: [EU] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/b/blankman/tnnt/dumplog/1699456577.tnnt.html 23:59 [US] allanb (Pri Elf Mal Cha) destroyed Zolar's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:8222