00:00 -!- NetSysHellFire has quit [Quit: client quit] 00:01 -!- NetSysFire has joined #tnnt 00:02 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 00:33 -!- crunchbubba has joined #tnnt 00:39 -!- stagnate has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:39 -!- crunchbubba has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:50 $time 00:50 nabru: 2023-10-20 00:50:54 UTC. 2023 Tournament begins in 11d 23:09:06 00:50 yey 00:50 $streak 00:50 nabru: No streaks for nabru. 00:59 -!- Bleeko has quit [Quit: Bleeko] 01:00 -!- Bleeko has joined #tnnt 01:02 -!- Bleeko has quit [Client Quit] 01:02 -!- Bleeko has joined #tnnt 01:02 -!- crunchbubba has joined #tnnt 01:06 -!- Bleeko has quit [Client Quit] 01:06 -!- Bleeko has joined #tnnt 01:15 -!- Bleeko has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:23 -!- tinklebear has joined #tnnt 01:28 -!- crunchbubba has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 01:29 -!- crunchbubba has joined #tnnt 02:01 -!- crunchbubba has quit [Quit: Client closed] 02:01 -!- crunchbubba has joined #tnnt 02:42 -!- greeter has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:47 -!- greeter has joined #tnnt 03:09 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 03:34 -!- crunchbubba has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 04:06 -!- crunchbubba has joined #tnnt 04:09 -!- crunchbubba has quit [Client Quit] 06:16 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 06:36 -!- raisse has joined #tnnt 06:41 -!- theRaisse has joined #tnnt 06:45 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:13 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #tnnt 07:14 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #tnnt 07:14 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:17 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:11 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:11 -!- Umbire has joined #tnnt 10:27 -!- aosdict has joined #tnnt 10:27 -!- mode/#tnnt [+o aosdict] by ChanServ 10:59 -!- Bleeko has joined #tnnt 11:36 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:55 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 11:56 time for another episode of swap chest lab 11:57 T:104459, neutral human priest 11:57 polyself nymph 11:57 try to pick up swap chest: 'There is a mysterious sapient pearwood container here, but you cannot lift any more. 11:57 ' 12:00 apply grappling hook to swap chest: 'You snag an object from the floor! There is a mysterious sapient pearwood container here, but you cannot lift any more.' 12:05 polyself gray dragon 12:05 try to pick up swap chest: 'There is a mysterious sapient pearwood container here, but you cannot lift any more.' 12:06 -!- joes has joined #tnnt 12:06 haha, i'm waiting to rehumanize, and this nurse rolls up and starts dancing 12:09 that's the end of this episode of swap chest lab. 12:15 -!- theRaisse has joined #tnnt 12:15 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 12:28 -!- Bleeko has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:56 -!- aosdict has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.0.5] 13:08 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 13:08 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 13:52 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:57 huh I don't know what should happen when you try to eat the swap chest. maybe you should explode since that's what happens to normal gelcubes 13:58 probably just a yafm 13:58 Furey: was it an active swap chest or had it already started ignoring you? 14:00 qt: the swap chest i ate was on ignore 14:00 (1 item out already) 14:00 Furey: I saw in #nethack :) I wonder if that makes a difference to whether items would have come out. I think the temp items all get free'd when the swap chest closes up shop 14:01 how did you eat it? 14:01 polyself gelatinous cube, then just plain 'e'at command 14:02 hmm. when I try that locally with an active swap chest I can't eat it 14:02 maybe player gelcubes are forbidden from eating items with contents 14:03 us swap chest has had about six items for days now 14:04 when the swapchest starts ignoring you the items in it (I mean internally, in the contents pointer/linked list -- obviously not the actual swapchest contents) are deleted 14:04 so to the game it would have appeared as though it had no contents 14:04 yeah there's a rule here that player gelcubes can't eat an item with contents 14:04 qt, that rules out one otherwise excellent way to obtain the contents of a cursed bag of holding 14:04 though monster gelcubes can do it 14:04 -!- ais523 has joined #tnnt 14:05 i'm actually at the votd swap chest now 14:05 no items taken out of this one yet 14:07 ok well any experiment you try just keep in mind you won't be able to get the contents out of a swapchest that you've already taken an item from (I mean by a pinata approach -- those other things you did like cancellation, that involve resetting the "ignoring you" counter and accessing it normally, obviously do work!) 14:07 I did try the gelcube thing myself in wizard mode and I can't eat it when it has contents :( 14:07 let me try eating this one 14:08 you may have to put an item in first to activate it before contents will populate 14:08 or at least open the #loot menu 14:09 I think it starts out empty, and then every time you open the #loot menu the contents get populated/refreshed, then when it shuts up all teh contents are free'd 14:09 this chest is at state: 2 items in, 0 items out. 14:09 polyform gelatinous cube 14:09 You try to feel what is lying here on the floor. You feel here a mysterious sapient pearwood container. 14:10 -!- Bleeko has joined #tnnt 14:10 You don't have anything to eat. 14:10 yeah that's what happened to me in wizard mode too 14:10 'e'at command doesn't recognize the swapchest on the floor as an earable. 14:11 i dropped a towel on the tile and now 'e'at offers to eat the towel but not the swapchest. 14:12 yeah it just doesn't treat it as an edible item when it has contents 14:14 okay that sounds simple and safe to me. 14:14 that's a vanilla thing apparently 14:16 shall i take out an item and then try eating the ignoring-me chest again? 14:16 sure, you can, but I don't see why it would produce a different result than the last time you did that 14:18 it's just fun :) 14:18 i suppose someone could make grief bones on votd with no swap chest 14:19 I wonder if/how that's addressed in TNNT 14:19 maybe VOTD was made no-bones because of the swapchest 14:19 or maybe the swapchest gets reset in bones 14:20 ah yeah it gets reset in bones 14:20 so that would be a viable griefing tactic 14:22 hahahaha, i'm waiting to polyself, no armor, no weapons, and a NURSE comes over to help ... for once the RNG likes me 14:26 -!- theRaisse has joined #tnnt 14:26 I think I'm just going to add a swap chest exception to is_edible. that's sort of boring but it's already what happens when the swap chest has contents, so at least it's consistent. and it matches the handling for other special items (invocation items, Amulet). 14:28 okay i ate the votd swap chest. 14:28 'This swap chest is delicious!' 14:28 yum 14:30 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:31 next game get a monster gelcube to eat it :) 14:31 it won't reveal any bugs (I hope) but it's pretty funny 14:31 I did bring a tame cube to mines end, but it was uninterested in eating. 14:32 I suppose I need an un-tame cube -- they do have different eating behaviors. 14:32 yeah I think so 14:33 wand of undead turning to the rescue 14:34 (so wherever you find one, you can haul its corpse to where you want it) 14:34 this would make a great tee shirt. a picture of a gelatinous cube eating a light green treasure chest. on the front: 'This swap chest is delicious!' On the back: tnnt beta 2023. 14:35 good idea, levelport, teleport (or walk), spell of undead turning 14:38 [tnnt] entrez pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/tnnt-devteam/tnnt/compare/b8e8d8b3426d...b1a639f83a05 14:38 [tnnt] entrez b1a639f - Make swapchest inedible 14:38 heh 14:39 nomnomnom 14:40 aw, i thought i had something really good when i ate a (ignoring-me) swap chest 14:43 that was a good find 14:43 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 14:43 -!- ais523 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:44 -!- ais523 has joined #tnnt 14:44 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 14:45 -!- ais523 has quit [Client Quit] 14:45 gonna get back to normal achievement-hunting now 14:45 -!- ais523 has joined #tnnt 14:47 thank you for your service 14:48 does add a lot of spice, doing weird things in the name of testing 14:49 and it's very helpful to us, so thank you again :) 14:51 -!- crunchbubba has joined #tnnt 14:52 $time 14:52 nabru [@nabrurocks]: 2023-10-20 14:52:00 UTC. 2023 Tournament begins in 11d 09:08:00 15:02 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 15:04 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 15:26 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 15:37 -!- tinklebear has left #tnnt 15:48 -!- theRaisse has joined #tnnt 15:49 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:49 woo 15:50 i think i'll do the 'tnnt 2023' post on reddit tonight 15:50 close enough to 10 days out 16:06 -!- crunchbubba has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:08 When do you plan to open it up for clan formation? 16:12 signup will be 24 hrs prior, just like previous years 16:13 welp now you made me still the beans. no need for a reddit post 16:13 *spill 16:13 :P 16:15 you stilled the beans as they were teetering and now they won't spill 16:16 chill beans ... now they are cool beans 16:16 my misspellings are legendary 16:19 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 16:20 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 16:20 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:22 k2 or qt: did you know the '#tnntdebug' command is still available in the regular interface, and do you have a plan to take it out soon? (i haven't been (ab)using it, just noticed it was in the list of '#'-commands) 16:23 yeah its available during beta period. it's shut off before go time 16:23 so feel free to abuse it 16:24 it's set up to be globally available only if TNNT_BETA is enabled, I guess so the information can be used in testing? 16:25 okay if it's still there after go time, then i will pipe up 16:27 one year i did forget to disable it, was noticed about 2 days in 16:27 since then, been pretty good about remembering to turn it off :) 16:29 you could add a date check so that it doesn't work in November 16:29 good idea 16:44 november is relative 16:45 each server has a different idea of when novemeber is 16:45 Hey, look! Beans! The musical fruit! 16:46 tnnt.org shows one definite single time that november starts 16:47 * Bleeko considers changing fruit:durian to fruit:beans 16:48 it would be an easy mistake to make to have tnnt debug be available during tnnt on accident if a date check is used and that isn't considered 16:52 -!- theRaisse has joined #tnnt 17:02 we could also restrict it even during TNNT_BETA mode with something in sysconf like WIZARDS, SHELLERS etc 17:04 -!- crunchbubba has joined #tnnt 17:05 oh! is there a tournament coming up? 17:06 crunchbubba: yep, next month 17:07 =D 17:10 Tournament? Oh, good! I love watching volleyball! 17:12 it's the makeup tournament for people who missed TOBNT (The October Beta Nethack Tournament) 17:12 LOL 17:13 Actually it was TOFAR (The October Furey Achievement Romp) 17:14 tnnt is gonna be like groundhog day, i am prepping so hard 17:55 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 18:15 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 19:00 -!- K2 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:00 -!- Croesus has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:01 -!- molybdenum.libera.chat changed the topic on #tnnt to: Welcome to 'The November NetHack Tournament' :: public irc logs available at https://www.hardfought.org/tnnt/irclog :: https://tnnt.org :: TNNT 2022 is over! Thanks for playing, see you all next year! 19:01 -!- mode/#tnnt [+o Croesus] by ChanServ 19:02 -!- iridium.libera.chat changed the topic on #tnnt to: Welcome to 'The November NetHack Tournament' :: public irc logs available at https://www.hardfought.org/tnnt/irclog :: https://tnnt.org :: TNNT 2022 is over! Thanks for playing, see you all next year! 19:02 -!- mode/#tnnt [+o Croesus] by ChanServ 19:04 -!- K2 has joined #tnnt 19:04 -!- mode/#tnnt [+o K2] by ChanServ 19:07 -!- zinc.libera.chat changed the topic on #tnnt to: Welcome to 'The November NetHack Tournament' :: public irc logs available at https://www.hardfought.org/tnnt/irclog :: https://tnnt.org :: TNNT 2022 is over! Thanks for playing, see you all next year! 19:07 -!- mode/#tnnt [+o Croesus_] by ChanServ 19:09 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 19:09 -!- Croesus has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:10 -!- K2_ has joined #tnnt 19:10 -!- mode/#tnnt [+o K2_] by ChanServ 19:10 -!- K2 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:10 -!- joes has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:11 [tnnt] entrez pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±5] https://github.com/tnnt-devteam/tnnt/compare/b1a639f83a05...825f3376d353 19:11 [tnnt] entrez 825f337 - Restrict #tnntdebug access during beta period 19:11 -!- K2_ is now known as K2 19:12 $time 19:12 K2: 2023-10-20 19:12:47 UTC. 2023 Tournament begins in 11d 04:47:13 19:19 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 19:29 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 19:58 $who 19:58 K2: [EU] No current players | [US] Bartlem Furey | [AU] No current players 20:24 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:26 $who 20:26 K2: [US] Bartlem Furey | [EU] No current players | [AU] No current players 20:27 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 20:56 $who 20:56 qt: [EU] No current players | [US] Furey | [AU] No current players 20:56 qt: do you need me to save? 20:56 I don't know, K2 kept saying $who and I wanted to contribute too 20:57 $who 20:57 Furey: [US] Furey | [EU] No current players | [AU] No current players 20:57 K2 might 20:57 but better wait for him to weigh in 21:06 $who 21:06 Noisytoot: [US] Furey | [EU] No current players | [AU] No current players 21:12 Buncha owls in here ... 21:53 $who 21:53 Furey: [EU] No current players | [US] spleen | [AU] No current players 21:54 And I'm out! 22:04 question: what's the option setting for permadeaf? 22:10 did you try OPTIONS=deaf? 22:13 nope, haven't tried anything yet ... let's try that 22:13 Maybe acoustics:false? 22:13 sorry, !acoustics 22:14 it's OPTIONS=deaf I'm pretty sure 22:14 yeah it's OPTIONS=deaf 22:15 OPTIONS=deaf works, thank you kindly 22:16 I know nudist is just OPTIONS=nudist, tried that a bit last year. 22:16 Do both at the same time! 22:16 i put nudist on my skip list for 2023. it's beyond my limits. 22:16 do mention_walls so you can play blindfolded irl 22:18 next up is receive-the-quest-atheist receive-the-quest-deaf valkyrie 22:20 Foodless was fun last year, really had to work for it. Would not recommend foodless athiest though. 0/10 would not play again :-) 22:21 that was impressive, only one player got foodless in 2022 22:22 I think that was my wiz. 22:23 my experience is =oSD -> early game is harder and then it's just a perma ring slot, no =oSD -> imperfect prayer response means death in 10000 turns if not sooner 22:24 i did a foodless this month, pissed off god once, and saved the game with polymorph + polycontrol. 22:26 Yea, it was a gnomish wiz that I start scummed for slow digestion. But I had a couple close calls - saced a newt or something to just be sure my timeout was okay and it was "Hey little buddy! Heres magicbane!" 22:27 Really had to hustle because I was already weak. 22:28 Yeah the game-ruining "gift" 22:29 "What's the matter? You don't look happy!" 22:29 I don't start scum, so it takes me longer, playing desparate heros trying not to get "displeased". 22:30 One game I found a ring shop on dlvl 2 and use-tested about 8 rings of the right price until I got one that kept away the hunger. It was fun. 22:33 I don't usually, but for something very specific like that I'll run through a few dozen until I get something thats workable. Not going to spend a lot of time looking for the "perfect" init though. 22:35 in /dev/null/nethack I usually startscummed for an oil lamp on a valk 22:35 in order to get the grue challenge over quickly, so that it wouldn't interfere with the other challenges 22:35 For grue? 22:36 it is hard to do without a light source 22:36 Yea, I liked to get grue out of the way soon too. That was my favorite challenge out of all of them. 22:38 Would just play normally though. Lamps are common enough. Thing that I often had trouble with was getting the mechanism IDed so I could deactivate it. 22:39 yes, by far the hardest part of that quest was the formal ID requirement 23:02 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 23:37 [backscroll] yeah i'm going to update tnnt tonight 23:37 shouldnt break saves 23:55 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt