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For details, use #species. 02:04 -- looks nice! 02:05 -!- crunchbubba has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 02:48 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:59 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 03:19 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 03:22 qt: bug report on the new snacks reporting. 03:22 You have eaten 4/33 foods. For details, use #snacks. 03:22 ... and then #snacks lists 4 eaten foods and 26 uneaten foods, for a total of 30, not 33. 03:27 -!- crunchbubba has joined #tnnt 03:33 -!- Bleeko has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:34 -!- raisse has joined #tnnt 04:37 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 06:00 -!- crunchbubba has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 06:18 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #tnnt 08:46 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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(www.adiirc.com)] 13:22 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:25 -!- crunchbubba has joined #tnnt 13:34 -!- raisse has joined #tnnt 13:40 thanks for all of your feedback Furey 13:40 you're welcome, thanks for operating tnnt! 13:42 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 13:45 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 13:49 Furey: good catch 13:49 about the foods 13:49 yeah I guess it only counts the multiple glob types as one "glob" 13:52 oic, wiki says there are four globs, but '#snacks' has only one (and it's always been that way, i would remember if the game ever made me eat green slime glob) 13:54 LOL, it's not easy being green. 13:57 qt: did you see my report about levelporting out of arena? i sent it to '#nethack' instead of '#tnnt' by mistake but you might have seen it. 13:58 yes, I did see it. that was a great catch 14:01 we're still considering the best way to fix it -- for some technical reasons it's not possible to make levelporting out of the arena work the same way as taking the portal (in terms of closing the portal and making the level inaccessible). so we could try some kind of workaround for that, or else just block levelporting/using the Eye from the arena 14:03 levelporting/eye are already blocked in one case (carrying amulet) so adding another case sounds easy to do, if that's what you want to do 14:03 yup blocking it outright will be the easiest method. still determining if it's the best method tho 14:08 i'm trying to get 319 achievements in october as practice for november. 14:15 heh nice 14:18 Be sure to kill one of everything in at least two games to make sure the counts are working right :-) 14:20 "gotta kill em all" achieved, part of 192000 move hellgame, 282/325 achievements 14:21 iirc, in 2022 there were bugs in 1 or 2 of the "identify all xxx", and i checked those work okay now. and "kill rodney 20 times" was bugged, i checked that works okay now. (credit given for rodney and double-trouble rodney, but not for resurrected rodney.) 14:21 Yea, I think it took me 100k+ last year two 14:21 too 14:26 Bleeko, how do you get the "keep vlad alive" and "keep rodney alive" trophies? 14:27 paralysis potion to the head and then nymph poly form and then steal and then runaway? for vlad at least, rodney sounds annoying as hell 14:28 what role is best for stupid ascension tricks? 14:28 I don't think I paralysis potioned either one, but was the burliest nymph you ever saw :-) 14:28 wizard, mainly, hungerless casting for spamming create monster and farming 14:28 neutral wizard maybe that wishes pyec? idk 14:29 i tried nymph for the first time ever recently, but the AC -35 npc wasn't having any, even when i level drained them down to mlvl 3. 14:29 0/50 theft attempts succeeded. 14:30 Don't think I did rodney last year, but did do vlad and the high priest. Vlad actually took me two polymorphs because I think I got his sword first and he spanked me. 14:30 paralysis potion to their head is kind of overrated 14:30 I think the turn lastage is pretty variable and can be as low as 1? I forget 14:31 yeah para wears off a lot when i para orcus 14:31 1-24 turns 14:31 err 1-25 14:32 but yeah my luck, it's usually 1-3 :) 14:32 I always just smack orcus with the chicken. Find where he's at and then come back when I'm packing some KFC 14:33 i need to cursed !oInvis orcus, i keep forgetting to pack cursed !oInvis. so i end up digging down, walking, popping up next to him on his staircase. works okay. 14:33 imagine if it was 6d4 instead 14:34 I wish I was that smart about dealing with orcus 14:37 we are on 3.6.7 now, right? I played a bit in june but don't remember if there were any major nerfs that are going to bite me. 14:38 Unix NetHack Version 3.6.7-0 post-release - last build Mon Oct 16 19:48:45 2023 (19000b9b46e0767671c46a322700852c04fa92bc,branch:master) 14:39 [tnnt] entrez pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/tnnt-devteam/tnnt/compare/19000b9b46e0...059a8ec333d7 14:39 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #tnnt 14:39 [tnnt] entrez 059a8ec - Fix total comestible count in #tnntstats 14:41 bleeko: 2 new achievements so far, but maybe they haven't merged from overwhelm-certain-players-with-new-achs branch yet :) 14:48 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:48 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 14:49 Furey: I see you got chocoban yesterday -- too bad, you used up your quota and now it won't appear again for months :-) Never got it myself last year. 14:49 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 14:50 ikr? I did like 10 sokobans in the waning days of 2022 and never got chocoban. 14:51 Wishing for it didn't work, polypiling a candy bar in sokoban didn't work, and iirc, farming monsters until one dropped a candy bar didn't work. 14:51 Also swap chest doesn't accept candy bars. 14:52 throw all the rocks you get from Halloween trick or treating in it 14:54 Swap chest still teleports, but haven't found a way to exploit that. 14:58 Idea: dig a pit under the swap chest, push a boulder in it, let the mysterious sapient pearwood container decay, bad or exploitable things are likely to happen 15:03 -!- joes has joined #tnnt 15:15 I don't think that would work 15:15 cause the chest is still there, right? just underground 15:19 Furey: that is an interesting idea lol 15:19 heh 15:19 Loggers_VIII: organic objects slowly rot when you bury them 15:20 wouldnt be hard to make it so the swapchest couldnt be teleported 15:20 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Pit#Buried_objects 15:20 or (YANI) if you tele the swapchest, it becomes hostile and attacks you 15:20 i'll try it in a few hours and see what happens 15:21 last year i tele'd the swapchest, it landed on a magic trap, and i got a delicious rare YAFMC: 15:21 "There is a swap chest here. You feel like someone is helping you." 15:22 haha 15:24 oh, the swapchest is organic? I thought that'd be accounted for 15:24 can you eat it as a cube 15:25 maybe it's not organic, hard to tell, but it does say "pearwood" 15:25 I feel like this has been discussed 15:25 well we're discussing it again. run it back 15:29 yani: make the swapchest become a super strong monster if you attack it, but if you kill it you get two random items from it 15:30 it would definitely be m class 15:31 * crunchbubba laughs @ "come back when I'm packing some KFC" 15:32 i kicked a swapchest in 2022 until somebody died :) it was funny. 15:33 what i did in 2022 with the swap chest was funnier than anything ever done. hahahahahahahaha 15:34 -!- raisse has joined #tnnt 15:36 and what was that, demo? 15:37 made a website that reported swap chest contents 15:38 On my way to mines end swap chest now. 15:41 on each server, updated every 5 minutes i think 15:41 is that still a thing 15:42 is what still a thing? 15:43 website with swap chest contents 15:43 no, it was banned by the cruel administrators 15:43 1984 15:44 just to check: is it okay if i try burying the swap chest? it is beta, and i won't mind if my game crashes. 15:46 unless K2 has a problem with it I think it's fine. I don't think it would cause anything to crash, it might just give you access to the entire contents of the swap chest 15:46 and that would be good to know :) 15:47 if you use a bullwhip to steal a deathmatch NPC's weapon, can you still pick up one of their items after they die? 15:48 yeah go for it 15:48 beta period is a great time to test these things 15:49 loggers_viii: haven't tried bullwhip, but NPC does throw daggers and eggs. If I pick those up then I still get to pick one, but then the daggers and eggs disappear from my inventory. 15:49 there's not beta time for it 15:49 >:L 15:52 demo is an agent of chaos 15:53 T:25953, i'm at swapchest, and i put in a +3 studded leather armor (organic) and a platinum wand of digging (metal) 15:54 next i drop a $1 bag with a +0 mummy wrapping (organic) and a second platinum wand of digging (metal) 15:54 dollar general bag 15:55 argh, i forgot to bring a pick-axe! 15:55 Furey: your own items won't be in there either way I think 15:55 pretty sure it's only going to be the items from other players, if it does pop undergroundd 15:56 so if there aren't any items from other players in the swapchest, you'd better wait until there are 15:56 qt: true, i should inventory the swap chest carefully before i bury it 15:56 there are items by now 15:56 don't get caught bringing a pick to a mattock fight 15:57 ^free new tnnt rumor 15:58 +3 small shield donated by kh (organic), scroll of destroy armor bestowed by doktorl (organic), another scroll, a potion, a wand of light, a wand of striking 15:58 wand of light is "long" in this game, and wand of striking is "pine" 15:59 on the same square is a $1 bag with a mummy wrapping and a platinum wand 16:00 digging ... reading sokoban scroll ... done 16:00 the mysterious sapient pearwood container is on top of the square. it refused to be buried, similar to an invocation tiem. 16:00 boo 16:03 dig another pit, push another boulder. $1 sack gets buried again. mysterious sapient pearwood container does get buried, again. 16:03 does it scatter() from a landmine under it going off? if teleing it gets banned, that might not get banned. don't tell the devs. 16:03 do you mean sapient pearwood does not get buried again? 16:04 loggers_viii: right, second boulder, same as first. MSPC is on top of the square and $1 sack is not visible. 16:06 if you polyself into a cube can you eat it 16:06 loggers_viii: ah, I left out a "not" in my lab notes. MSPC does NOT get buried, stays on top, both times. 16:06 My hero is an xlvl 11 priest, I do not have a land mine or a polykit, yet. 16:07 these tests are best done in wizard mode on a local build anyways 16:07 So go ahead. 16:08 And I think you're wrong. 16:08 these specific tests 16:09 there is an incredible amount of value to the testing you are generally doing not in wizard mode that covers so much more stuff than quick one off specific wizmode tests would miss 16:09 Swap chest HAS to interact with Amazon servers across server boundaries, using hardfought credentials. A local build without those credentials would necessarily have differences, and the differences might be important. 16:10 I don't think that would affect edibility of the swap chest whatsoever 16:10 Again, so go ahead. 16:10 I don't have local build :c 16:10 I'll compile one when I get home, maybe 16:12 I prefer being in the "ordinary player" mindset when testing, even though it takes more time and I can't just wish up, say, a polykit. 16:12 I could just start scum to get polycontrol as wizard, though 16:12 that might be easier 16:13 One big bug I found was levelporting out of the arena. I wasn't even looking for that, I was just playing more sloppy than usual, and the NPC was kicking my ass, so I did the natural thing and levelported. 16:15 Anyways, my straightforward attempt to bury a swapchest resulted in swapchest popping out of the pit and remaining on the ground. Looks not buggy / not exploitable to me. 16:17 T:26336, lab experiment over. :) 16:20 :) 16:23 i made some todo's to try: landmine, nymph polyself, gelatinous cube polyself 16:24 why nymph? carry capacity? 16:24 yeah 16:24 -!- crunchbubba has quit [Quit: Client closed] 16:24 if that one worked, we could blow this thing wide open :) 16:24 sure, for 15 minutes, during beta 16:25 well if you didn't insist on advertising them all in the channel with the devs maybe we could make it last a little longer :P 16:26 it's part of the deal. devs write free software, admins operate web site, i report exploits. 16:26 I understand 16:27 but it would be funny to wait a little bit longer 16:27 k2 even let me exploit the swap chest cancel bug when i found it in 2022, he didn't have to do that, but i had BIG BIG FUN, it was a packrat's dream come true that my 600 item stash became USEFUL 16:28 hahaha I remember that, always dozens of useless items from furey in the swap chest 16:29 hmm thats way cooler than the swap chest site 16:29 well *I* thought they were useful! 16:29 'Apart from bots, anything within the normal execution of the game is fair game. This includes farming, scumming, abusing program bugs...' 16:30 you get tired of wands of make invisible and slow monster and rings of protection from shape changers after a while 16:30 oh man, identified =oPFSC really is a valuable item 16:32 yeah, would be nice to incentive better donations somehow 16:32 tnnt yani: add an auction special level, where players can put in items like magic lamps and artifacts, and then over the course of a day or two players bid on them 16:33 I like ebegging for dsm of my choice 16:33 every item would have a starting bid of 20k zm, and you have to bid at least 500 more than the previous person 16:34 meh, i don't want to wait two days to get an artifact, i want to keep playing now 16:35 fine, make it 30 minutes from the time someone puts something up to the time it's sold :) 16:35 most fun thing i got in 2022 was a +8 katana from crunchbubba. he likes to polypile and i like to dual wield. 16:36 this year I'm just going to fill the swap chests with goodies 16:36 achievements are whatever 16:37 +8 katana would make me so happy 16:38 I counted. I got 17 rider kills with that katana. 15 of them were one-shots. 16:38 that's probably the closest thing you can put to an artifact in there 16:38 what, with the katana on its own? 16:38 or twoweaponing 16:39 twoweapon 16:40 someone give me sdsm in the first chest and a +9 katana in the valley chest. thanks. 16:40 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 16:40 also someone leave me a bones file with grays and every lawful QA 16:41 https://hardfought.org/userdata/F/Furey/tnnt/dumplog/1669332108.tnnt.html 16:41 oops, my mistake, it was a +8 long sword. 16:42 still a nice treat 16:43 also, +5 ring of increase damage (right hand), +5 ring of increase damage (left hand) 16:44 yey dagger multishot 16:46 9 blessed +8 elven daggers (at the ready) 16:48 I'll be the only one trying to get to the Quest permahallu/zen again 16:49 i saw tinklebear practicing permahullu -- is that you? 16:56 no, I have the same nick 16:57 I don't have a lot of time actually 16:58 i'm not good enough to do permahallu or zen yet. maybe in 2024. 17:05 I gotta expect that after permahallu, the real world is going to be color shifting on you. 17:07 i don't have that problem, but my nethack chars do bleed through if i play back-to-back too fast 17:08 "i'll just cast remove curse ... oops that was last lifetime" 17:09 permahallu means you don't recognise dangerous enemies in time. Zen is just tedious 17:11 do pets still highlight in permahallu? 17:13 -!- crunchbubba has joined #tnnt 17:16 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:21 I don't think so, I think it works just like normal hallucination 17:35 Furey: your idea about getting a nymph to pick up the swapchest, I don't think it's an issue right now but it could be in 3.7 (nymphs will pick up containers in 3.7 but not in 3.6) 17:35 qt: i was thinking polyself nymph, not monster nymph 17:35 oh interesting 17:35 does the hero have huge carry cap when polyed into a nymph? 17:36 it doesn't seem to work when I try it in wizmode 17:37 but anyway, when 3.7 comes we'll have to make sure nymphs can't pick up the swapchest 17:37 github.com/tnnt-devteam/tnnt/commit/725e5ff 17:41 the year you do 3.7, i am going to have lots to report in october, i am sure! 17:42 maybe the default fruit isn't as odd as I thought.  https://www.nikonsmallworld.com/galleries/2023-photomicrography-competition/slime-mold-comatricha-nigra 17:47 it doesn't look very appetizing, crunchbubba 17:47 to each his own. looks like cherries 17:47 okay, I guess I can see it if I turn my head upside down 17:47 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:47 very small cherries 17:47 I think it player is n, carry cap is 1000 17:48 like S_NYMPH 17:48 if player* 18:10 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 18:19 -!- joes has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:45 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #tnnt 18:49 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Client Quit] 19:17 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 19:18 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 19:21 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #tnnt 19:28 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #tnnt 19:30 -!- qt has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:36 -!- qt has joined #tnnt 19:50 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 19:54 -!- Umbire has joined #tnnt 20:25 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 21:06 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:10 crunchbubba: Those photos are fascinating! They are all beautifully strange, and the mouse embryo looks like a baby cthulhu with his mouth tentacles all bundled up. 21:10 yes. amazing photos 21:16 Personally, my fruit is always set to durian -- not quite slime mold, but still an aquired taste. 21:43 -!- stagnate has joined #tnnt 21:50 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 21:55 -!- crunchbubba has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 21:57 -!- crunchbubba has joined #tnnt 21:58 that is fweep fruit as well, Bleeko 22:14 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:20 -!- ais523 has joined #tnnt 22:23 -!- Umbire has joined #tnnt 22:36 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:16 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 23:22 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 23:22 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 23:22 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 23:22 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 23:23 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 23:46 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:46 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 23:46 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 23:46 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 23:46 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 23:50 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:51 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 23:51 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 23:51 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 23:51 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 23:54 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed]