00:24 -!- aosdict has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.0.2] 00:48 Any hints on modifying the color?  The dark blue is invisible on my screen (I thought an alter was a ghost).  Copied my settings over and tried editing the colors in Putty with no success. 00:50 sorry, don't know much about putty. I have very odd colors because blue background (Mac terminal) 00:51 ok, thanks 00:53 having said that, what is your windowtype? (You are seeing colors, just want to make dark blue/blue visible on a black screen?) 00:54 What do you mean by window type?  Yes, just trying to change the appearance of dark blue on black background.  Works fine for 3.7 and 3.4.3 vanilla games. 00:56 in your config file, OPTION windowtype=(something) 00:57 I am having major trouble with color/characters in tnnt as well and I am sure it worked last year. now I have reverted to no color but need to fix that 00:57 Ahh, I thought you meant in Putty.  Using curses. 00:57 is there a putty setting like "use ansi colors" ? 00:58 Yes, that's enabled. 00:58 Allow terminal to specify: ANSI colours, xterm 256-colour mode, and 24-bit colours are all checked.  Changing the color of the ANSI dark blue didn't have any effect. 00:59 is there a setting for "what to say your terminal type is" when negotiating? 01:00 24 bit colors and ansi colors are ... maybe incompatible? ansi has 16 (IIRC) colors 01:00 you could try turning 256-colour mode off – that might cause your custom dark blue to be used when it otherwise wouldn't be 01:01 ANSI has somewhere between 7 and 18 colors depending on how you count 01:01 I think PuTTY does have a terminal type setting somewhere but I can't remember where 01:01 but you probably want it to be "xterm" rather than "xterm-256color" when you find it 01:01 if you want to use custom colors 01:01 I believe that is correct 01:03 If you mean during the initial connection, there isn't any option to specify the terminal type in settings and no interaction when connecting.  There are options about xterm settings but I can't see anything that specifies the terminal type as such. 01:04 Looks like it sends xterm by default and have to dig into somewhere to change it. 01:05 I would suggest setting the settings to "allow terminal to specify ANSI colors" but disabling the permissions to use 256-colour mode and 24-bit colours, also specifying that bolded text should change the colour (and maybe also the font, depending on personal preference) 01:05 also, I just noticed that PuTTY's settings are in British English – I wonder if that's true for everyone or whether I just have a British version 01:07 It's true for everyone.  It's developed by someone in the UK.  I'll see how those settings look 01:19 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 01:20 Disabling both 256-colour and 24-bit appears to have worked.  The 'explored but dark' areas are now a bolded dot instead of the dark blue that I think was the same color as the other things. 01:38 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 01:39 -!- crunchbubba has quit [Quit: Client closed] 02:14 -!- stagnate has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:22 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 02:38 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 02:40 -!- crunchbubba has joined #tnnt 02:41 -!- crunchbubba has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 02:41 -!- crunchbubba has joined #tnnt 02:42 $time 02:42 crunchbubba: 2023-10-16 02:42:45 UTC. 2023 Tournament begins in 15d 21:17:14 03:32 -!- crunchbubba has quit [Quit: Client closed] 03:35 $tell qt bug report: probably in vanilla: hero is barbarian wielding two-handed sword as usual. '#twoweapon' command says: 'Your left hand is empty.' Not true, my left hand is holding part of the two-handed sword. (Small bug, but there it is.) 03:35 Will do, Furey! 04:17 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 04:41 -!- joes has joined #tnnt 04:59 -!- joes has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:05 lol there's a scroll of missing code in the weapons shop, it costs 7 zorkmids 06:12 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:12 -!- Grasshopper has joined #tnnt 06:13 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:14 -!- Grasshopper has joined #tnnt 06:48 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:21 it might be triple bones in orctown, we were all killed by different things 07:21 (a winter wolf cub, a rabid rat and a grey unicorn; I polished off the first two) 07:22 but the unicorn got me, on the altar 07:22 I could have converted the altar with it if I'd been able to kill it, because the altar was lawful and I chaotic 08:04 -!- kingcake has joined #tnnt 08:22 lol I bought a pair of leather gloves in the armor shop and they're -5 (uncursed in a fountain) 08:25 -!- kingcake has quit [Quit: Quit] 08:56 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 09:38 -!- Umbire has joined #tnnt 10:02 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:10 -!- Umbire has joined #tnnt 10:10 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:14 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 12:53 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #tnnt 13:03 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:17 -!- crunchbubba has joined #tnnt 13:21 -!- crunchbubba has quit [Client Quit] 13:29 -!- raisse has joined #tnnt 13:45 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 13:50 -!- qt has joined #tnnt 14:04 -!- crunchbubba has joined #tnnt 14:21 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 14:23 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #tnnt 14:26 -!- joes has joined #tnnt 14:28 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:29 -!- Grasshopper has joined #tnnt 14:29 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 15:17 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 15:19 -!- crunchbubba has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 15:59 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 16:29 -!- crunchbubba has joined #tnnt 16:35 -!- Bleeko has joined #tnnt 16:38 $time 16:38 K2: 2023-10-16 16:38:31 UTC. 2023 Tournament begins in 15d 07:21:28 16:39 K2, did  hardfought change some underlying curses library in the last few months? 16:40 because my hardfought sessions no longer look correct, and the biggest tell is the use of ansi/curses "repeat last character" action 16:41 the same settings work on NAO, and I'm pretty sure they worked in June on HF 16:42 yes 16:43 what are you using to connect? putty? 16:54 mac terminal 16:54 ! @ "yes" 16:55 I assumed I was losing my mind 16:57 so doing something like n100s 16:57 is that what you mean? 16:57 can you tell me exactly what key combo you're trying to do 17:00 no, I mean ... the game when trying to draw, for example, a popup, will send (alt char for upper left corner, flat line) and then send command "repeat last char 55 times" to draw most of the top part of the popup menu.   it is not me trying to do anything, it's the game drawing stuff. let me try to capture an example 17:01 oooh 17:01 lqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqk 17:01 something like that? 17:02 no, that I would understand how to fix  8^) 17:02 hang on 17:03 k 17:03 it draws the box characters as lines, correctly using the alt char set. the "repeat last char" is failing somehow. 17:03 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DExzx1Dn5R_PZT9wO5ykN67g96yy5niP/view?usp=sharing 17:04 oh man 17:04 never seen that before 17:04 me either 17:05 i know in putty, you can tell it to 'enable VT100 line drawing, even in utf-8 mode' and that addresses some curses border display issues 17:05 no idea how to do that with mac terminal 17:06 so the errors are where there are a lot of repeated chars in a line, and I am about 99% sure it's using the ansi "repeat last char" method. you see it's happening even in map display 17:06 yup 17:07 [tnnt] entrez pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/tnnt-devteam/tnnt/compare/b2701cff2690...19000b9b46e0 17:07 [tnnt] entrez 19000b9 - Revise "Horatius at the Bridge" 17:08 I am currently thinking that I will have to use an actual xterm, and that's not awful, but the font I have so far *is* awful 17:09 that window works fine on NAO.  and I'm pretty sure that it worked as recently as June 17:09 by now I may have borked some config file, but they were originally very similar 17:10 :/ 17:11 I guess it's possible that Apple updated the Terminal program, but I can see no evidence of that 17:11 that window works fine on NAO.  and I'm pretty sure that it worked as recently as June on hardfought 17:11 (edit) 17:12 Howdy folks, I just woke up from my six month nap and see a Nethackathon happened last month. What did I miss? 17:13 (I guess it was only five months) 17:16 -!- joes has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:38 it went fine 17:41 Was it a 24hour non-stop thing to raise money for Rodney's Kids? 17:41 yes :) 17:41 exactly that 17:41 Perfect! 18:03 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 18:06 -!- crunchbubba has quit [Quit: Client closed] 18:06 -!- crunchbubba has joined #tnnt 18:41 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 18:43 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #tnnt 18:56 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:57 -!- Noisytoot has joined #tnnt 18:59 -!- Umbire has joined #tnnt 19:00 -!- crunchbubba has quit [Quit: Client closed] 19:08 chocoban! i finally got chocoban! (never got it in 2022 ) 19:11 Nice 19:23 ~o Furey's eating chocolate in Sokoban / Got more achievements than your clan 19:24 Does not quit scan 19:24 ~o Furey's eating chocolate in Sokoban / Got more achievements than your whole clan 19:24 Better :) 19:26 -!- crunchbubba has joined #tnnt 19:27 K2 earlier you answered "yes" to my query of a new curses lib on HF. is that your final answer? because we veered away from that detail immediately 19:29 -!- elenmirie has joined #tnnt 19:30 well... yeah, libs were updated fairly recently 19:30 few weeks ago 19:30 and more importantly, term info as well 19:31 xterm* 19:31 does max terminal allow you to specific which term you can use? I would assume yes 19:31 *mac 19:31 in my flailing to get some combo that works, I am also (perhaps) running into terminfo problems as well 19:32 yes, I have tried ansi and vt100 and verious xterms (which is what used to work) 19:32 xterm-265color is what is recommended 19:33 I was using just xterm, I can't remember why. perhaps to get the standard 16 ansi colors 19:34 xterm-256 instead of xterm seems to have the same repeaated char problems. 19:49 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 19:49 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 19:53 -!- crunchbubba has quit [Quit: Client closed] 19:54 -!- crunchbubba has joined #tnnt 19:56 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #tnnt 19:56 -!- elenmirie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:59 can you tell me what the old and new curses library versions are?  I doubt that will help, but I will file it away 19:59 or maybe terminfo changes 20:00 one sec 20:00 last time libncurses.so.6 was updated was back in July 20:01 but most likely it would have been when terminfo files were updated 20:01 that would fit my "it worked in June" somewhat hazy memory 20:04 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 20:04 terminfo was updated back in May 20:05 crunchbubba do you have access to iTerm2 ? 20:05 the display problems largely(? I think all)  go away if I set windowtype to tty 20:06 yup sounds right 20:06 I don't have that installed ATM, but could do so 20:07 looking up some info on the default mac terminal 20:07 by default it uses xterm-color and utf-8 20:08 in your nethack config, what symset are you using? 20:08 woo! iterm2 seems to work, at first glance 20:09 \o/ 20:09 ... no symset? 20:09 OPTIONS=symset: 20:09 could by symset: curses or IB *IBMgraphics 20:10 the only lines with that are dec and IMBgraphics and commented out 20:10 ok 20:10 C-t 20:10 if playing in curses mode, try setting OPTIONS=symset:curses 20:11 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:12 -!- Umbire has joined #tnnt 20:13 that seems to have the same repeated character display problem, but honestly there are too many variables so I may be doing something wrong 20:13 iterm2 looks like the best bet for now 20:14 cool 20:15 thanks 20:30 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:35 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 20:54 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 21:02 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 21:06 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 21:06 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 21:59 -!- crunchbubba has quit [Quit: Client closed] 21:59 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:00 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #tnnt 22:01 -!- crunchbubba has joined #tnnt 22:19 -!- Umbire has joined #tnnt 22:31 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 23:01 achievements unlocked: receive the quest illiterate, receive the quest elberethless (a subset of illiterate), receive the quest petless 23:01 haven't decided whether to keep playing illiterate/petless or not 23:06 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 23:26 oh yeah crunchbubba I'm getting the same thing with the OSX Terminal app 23:26 qt: Message from Furey at 2023-10-14 19:35 UTC: bug report: probably in vanilla: polyself'ed into vampire lord, i can still throw silver daggers, although i cannot wield them 23:26 qt: Message from Furey at 2023-10-16 03:35 UTC: bug report: probably in vanilla: hero is barbarian wielding two-handed sword as usual. '#twoweapon' command says: 'Your left hand is empty.' Not true, my left hand is holding part of the two-handed sword. (Small bug, but there it is.) 23:26 ! 23:28 I didn't THINK this was me demonstrating PEBKAC but good to have some validation 23:35 how is iterm2 doing for ya? 23:35 $tell Furey thanks for those tells -- you're right that those are both in vanilla. Interesting though 23:35 No worries, qt, I've got this! 23:36 a local copy of TNNT doesn't have this issue in OSX Terminal 23:36 so that's weird 23:36 terminfo files are probably different 23:38 my TERM in Terminal is xterm-256color which is pretty standard, I would've thought Terminal is basically fully compatible with that (at least in all the common things NetHack would do to display the map) 23:41 i dont use a mac because im on good terms with my creator, but when I have to, i use iterm2 23:42 -!- tungsten.libera.chat changed the topic on #tnnt to: Welcome to 'The November NetHack Tournament' :: public irc logs available at https://www.hardfought.org/tnnt/irclog :: https://tnnt.org :: TNNT 2022 is over! Thanks for playing, see you all next year! 23:42 -!- mode/#tnnt [+o Croesus] by ChanServ 23:44 -!- K2 has joined #tnnt 23:44 -!- mode/#tnnt [+o K2] by ChanServ 23:46 K2 I am working on a different project that we discussed earlier, and am running a manual game with cruft in the visuals, so I can't give iterm2 feedback, but I expect it will work fine 23:47 k 23:48 my TERM in mac Terminal was xterm, but I tried with xterm-256colors and got the same result, as best I can tell. honestly I have flipped enough switches that I may not be back in the state I was in June 23:49 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:49 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 23:49 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 23:49 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 23:49 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 23:55 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:56 -!- Umbire has joined #tnnt 23:58 -!- crunchbubba has quit [Quit: Client closed]