00:06 -!- rossyrg_ has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.8.1 - https://znc.in] 00:06 -!- rossyrg has joined #tnnt 00:26 this channel is getting popular 00:30 $time 00:30 nabru [@nabrurocks]: 2023-10-10 00:30:01 UTC. 2023 Tournament begins in 21d 23:29:59 00:30 only 21 days! 00:30 i'm practicing so hard, i'm gonna need a rest week before the tournament even starts 00:40 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 00:42 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 00:50 why isn't stuff being livelogged already? 01:03 -!- Furey has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:08 -!- crunchbubba has quit [Quit: Client closed] 01:24 Croesus is resting... 01:33 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 03:59 -!- Furey has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:04 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 04:34 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:35 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 04:35 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 04:35 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 04:35 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 04:38 -!- joes has joined #tnnt 04:43 -!- joes has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:01 -!- raisse has joined #tnnt 05:42 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 06:31 -!- Umbire has joined #tnnt 08:43 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 09:30 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 09:43 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:44 -!- Umbire has joined #tnnt 10:31 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:35 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 12:19 grr, made it all the way to the swap chest and then ran into the mumak of the mines which wouldn't stay asleep 12:49 You dream that you feel much better! 13:41 -!- crunchbubba has joined #tnnt 14:08 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 14:59 -!- joes has joined #tnnt 15:21 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 15:33 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 15:34 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 15:46 qt: '#overview' command giving funny results. Here's the whole output: 15:46 (turn counter is T:182935 and I saved/restored to make a fresh ttyrec) 15:47 The Dungeons of Doom: levels 1 to 27 15:47    Level 1: "bot on floor" 15:47    Level 2: 15:47 . 15:47       Stairs down to The Gnomish Mines. 15:47    Level 3: "cube-1" 15:47    Level 6: "cube-7" 15:47    Level 7: "cube-9" 15:47    Level 8: "polyline" 15:47       Oracle of Delphi. 15:47    Level 9: "cube-3" 15:47       Stairs up to Sokoban, level 8. 15:47    Level 11: 15:47       A grave. 15:47    Level 15: <- You are here. 15:47       Sealed portal to The Quest. 15:47    Level 17: 15:47       A grave. 15:47    Level 3: "cube-1" 15:47    Level 6: "cube-7" 15:47    Level 7: "cube-9" 15:47    Level 8: "polyline" 15:47       Oracle of Delphi. 15:47    Level 9: "cube-3" 15:47       Stairs up to Sokoban, level 8. 15:47    Level 11: 15:47       A grave. 15:47    Level 15: <- You are here. 15:47       Sealed portal to The Quest. 15:47    Level 17: 15:47       A grave. 15:47       A primitive area. 15:47       Stairs up to DevTeam Office, level 16. 15:47    Level 19: "cube-6" 15:47    Level 20: "polytrap, incubus zeta" 15:47       Some graves. 15:48       Connection to Gehennom. 15:48 Gehennom: levels 28 to 49 15:48    Level 28: 15:48       A temple, many graves. 15:48       Valley of the Dead. 15:48    Level 31: "cube-13" 15:48       A fountain. 15:48    Level 38: "ORCUS TOWN" 15:48       Some shops, an altar, many graves. 15:48    Level 39: "RODNEY, incubi xi gamel" 15:48       Stairs up to Vlad's Tower, level 38. 15:48    Level 41: "AMULET OF YENDOR" 15:48    Level 42: "cube-14" 15:48    Level 43: "cube-15" 15:48    Level 44: "PORTAL" 15:48    Level 48: "VIBRATING SQUARE" 15:48    Level 49: 15:48       A temple, many graves. 15:48    Level 10: 15:48 The Quest: levels 1 to 6 15:48    Level 1: 15:48       A throne. 15:48       Completed quest for Neferet the Green. 15:48    Level 6: "succubus pi, incubus chi, cube-15" 15:48       A temple to Anhur. 15:48 Sokoban: levels 8 up to 5 15:48    Level 5: "quaked" 15:48       Solved. 15:48    Level 6: "incubus alpha, succubus sigma" 15:48       Solved. 15:48 Fort Ludios: 15:48    Level 1: "incubus iota" 15:48 . 15:48       Fort Ludios. 15:49 DevTeam Office: 15:49    Level 16: 15:50 (some levels have this weird newline-period  at the end of the annotation or as their only annotation) 15:51 ('v' command says: Unix NetHack Version 3.6.7-0 post-release - last build Thu Sep 28 14:37:36 2023 (dd1a2d0c4663bd5f87542b9f7a70b39bb2c7a5c7,branch:master).) 15:51 huh, weird 15:51 I wouldn't have thought TNNT would have modified anything about #overview 15:56 I think I can see how that would happen but it doesn't make a lot of sense to me 15:57 It doesn't look like there's any TNNT specific code in there either 15:58 -!- Furey has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:58 Do you know if there's any point of interest on those levels that is not being printed? 16:00 (shop, altar, throne, fountain, sink, grave, tree) 16:06 oh hmm I did find one way to produce that but I doubt it's happening on that many levels... 16:11 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 16:11 entering a temple on the level without ever catching sight of the altar will produce that same . 16:11 one thing I do different from normal players: I get myself expelled from the quest (it's an achievement). That seals the portal and rewrites the text for the level. 16:12 I can't remember whether it was TNNT or vanilla but I seem to remember a while ago someone having an issue with #overview where practically every level said "The oracle of delphi." 16:12 you're a wizard, can you still get in with the Eye of the A? 16:12 maybe it's a similar thing happening here 16:13 Yeah, that was me, recorded for posterity at https://nhqdb.alt.org/?4059 16:13 I thought it might have been you! 16:13 I guess you are doing something special that really screws up #overview lol 16:14 I guess that was just vanilla, since it was in December? 16:14 raisse: yes, i've visited the quest altar several times after being expelled. 16:14 what do you do to get expelled? attack neferet or the apprentices? 16:14 No the incident was in TNNT, it just got added to the NHQDB on December 14 16:15 Oh wow interesting 16:15 raisse: yeah hit neferet with my excalibur 16:15 the weird thing is that the code in overview is totally vanilla as far as I can see, I don't know why TNNT would have an especially messed up #overview 16:17 I do an awful lot of weird things for the sake of achievements 16:18 My guess is, executing a code path that's bad in vanilla, but (a) hardly anyone ever does it, (b) people don't notice or don't report 16:18 yeah that seems possible 16:24 another idea: mind flayer attack that causes forgetting of a level with annotations? although that's not weird enough for me to be the only victim 16:27 I _think_ the only thing that would cause the '.' to be printed is if the level has the 'temple entered' flag without an 'altar seen' flag. that and the Oracle thing from last year are both based on room traversal and checking the rtype, so maybe something you're doing is messing that up? 16:28 -!- crunchbubba has quit [Quit: Client closed] 16:28 I don't see how that could happen though, idk 16:33 another idea: over at minetown, i killed the priest (or got them killed, forget which) and converted the altar. so far, so normal. later on i needed a lawful altar for the 'visit three different altars' achievement so i put on a HoOA to become lawful and convereted the altar to lawful. That's gotta be singularly unusual behavior. And then later on 16:33 I reverted back to chaotic and converted the altar the third time, back to chaotic again. 16:50 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:05 -!- crunchbubba has joined #tnnt 17:36 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:50 -!- Umbire has joined #tnnt 17:52 -!- crunchbubba has quit [Quit: Client closed] 18:03 -!- raisse has joined #tnnt 18:03 -!- crunchbubba has joined #tnnt 18:06 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 18:07 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:22 $tell qt FYI, https://hardfought.org/userdata/F/Furey/tnnt/dumplog/1668661337.tnnt.html is dumplog from my game in tnnt 2022 with multiple "Oracle of Delphi" showing in '#overview' and showing in the dumlog. 18:22 No worries, Furey, I've got this! 18:25 -!- qt has joined #tnnt 18:26 -!- crunchbubba has quit [Quit: Client closed] 18:51 -!- joes has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:16 -!- crunchbubba has joined #tnnt 19:21 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 19:27 -!- crunchbubba has quit [Quit: Client closed] 19:36 -!- crunchbubba has joined #tnnt 20:04 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 20:08 Furey: please use a pastebin (such as bpa.st or paste.debian.net) next time, otherwise (if it produces snotes), ozone (libera anti-spam bot) may end up joining and k-lining you 20:11 ...? 20:14 what is an snote? and i don't recall seeing anyone using bpa.st or paste.deban.net on this channel 20:18 I use termbin 20:18 qt: Message from Furey at 2023-10-10 18:22 UTC: FYI, https://hardfought.org/userdata/F/Furey/tnnt/dumplog/1668661337.tnnt.html is dumplog from my game in tnnt 2022 with multiple "Oracle of Delphi" showing in '#overview' and showing in the dumlog. 20:18 oh, thanks for tracking that down Furey 20:28 what is robotfindskitten? 20:29 it's fun! 20:29 Noisytoot: https://robotfindskitten.org/ 20:29 it's another terminal game (well, it's not much of a game in the way nethack is -- it bills itself as a "zen simulation") 20:31 as it's implemented as a special tnnt treat, when you find the kitten it's an actual tame kitten 20:33 Do you just walk into stuff until you find the kitten? 20:37 yeah Noisytoot that's right 20:37 sort of the point of the game is the interesting things you encounter on the way I guess 20:37 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:37 it's more about the journey than the destination 20:46 -!- crunchbubba has quit [Quit: Client closed] 20:48 -!- rld has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:48 actual tame kitten is a useful prize at that dlvl for classes like arc and wiz 20:49 btw, a xorn polyform can walk a few more spaces than a human on left and right, doesn't seem to affect gameplay anyways 20:50 i tried polymorph and cancel and drain life but couldn't break the items 20:52 it was fun, i never knew about the game robotfindskitten, so i went into the portal unspiled 21:00 do you go further as a xorn on that level than you do on a normal level? 21:00 I think a xorn can always go into the rock on the sides of the level, to the very edge, right? It's not special to that level? 21:15 dunno about normal levels 21:22 ah, i do know, on wizard quest bottom level, xorns come wandering in from the outer walls and back out again all the time while i'm sacfesting 21:23 and on devteam office, i polyselfed into a xorn and walked around outside and popped up behind the snack lava barrier and devteam members had no ranged attacks :) 21:26 -!- Umbire has quit [Killed (molybdenum.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 21:27 -!- Umbire has joined #tnnt 21:28 You hit the Wizard of Yendor! The Wizard of Yendor escapes the dungeon! 21:36 fyi, achievement 025, kill wizard of yendor 20 times, was bugged last year, but looks good this year. A wizard who pops up to hassle the hero gets counted. A double-trouble wizard gets counted. A wizard resurrected by the hero from a corpse does not get counted. (So hero cannot just kill / resurrect / kill resurrect). 21:41 glad to hear the fix is working 21:41 and I'm glad you were able to test it before he escaped the dungeon permanently ;) 21:49 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 21:49 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 21:49 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 21:49 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 21:50 -!- crunchbubba has joined #tnnt 22:09 -!- Umbire has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:09 -!- Umbire has joined #tnnt 22:26 -!- aosdict has joined #tnnt 22:26 -!- mode/#tnnt [+o aosdict] by ChanServ 22:29 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 22:32 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 22:58 qt: in my current game with corrupted '#overview', i just noticed that dlvl 6 no longer lists the portal to robotfindskitten. the portal is there but the '#overview' does not show it. 22:59 there was originally a fountain in the same room and then i quaffed the fountain until it dried up (made some pools along the way) 23:00 ... and now '#overview' shows the portal again. 23:01 this is just before T:188847 in the ttyrec. 23:01 -!- qt has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:24 -!- qt has joined #tnnt 23:56 -!- crunchbubba has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 23:59 Furey: that's really weird. maybe the overview data storage is being corrupted somehow