00:14 lurkers, perhaps devs, is the idea of deathmatch that the player, as in Furey's case not even at the castle, can take on ascended players, and win because ... game NPCs are not as smart as humans? 00:15 because otherwise it seems like a Bad Idea for a mid(?) game player to take on an ascended character 00:20 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 00:23 well i did bring a vorpal blade and the npc brought a unicorn horn 00:25 I didn't notice, was that his main weapon? 00:27 yeah, they threw greased daggers (!), then threw darts, and for melee, unicorn horn 00:37 -!- aosdict has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.0.2] 00:59 You don't get the contents of any containers if you take it from deathmatch 00:59 ah 01:00 I guess that would be overkill 01:01 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 01:01 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 01:01 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 01:01 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 01:02 crunchbubba: NPCs also don't have any spellcasting ability or (in this case) artifact weapons 01:03 can they even loot their bags in TNNT? they can't in 3.6 but can in 3.7 01:04 oic, so the NPC probably had magicbane, but to prevent deathmatch from providing you artifact weapons, they don't have them 01:04 tnnt is 3.6.7 based I think 01:04 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Monster_weapon_preference#Choosing_a_melee_weapon 01:05 that list doesn't heed enchantments. suppress the artifact weapons, and unihorn comes out near the top. 01:06 runesword is way to high in that list for the damage it does (same as broadsword) 01:06 well, that makes me slightly more inclined to do deathmatch, but only slightly 01:06 in 2022, NPC oh6 threw eggs at me (presumably cockatrice eggs), which impressed me 01:06 do they have as much HP as the player did? 01:07 that match the NPC has 500HP 01:07 :had 01:08 that's as much as a level ~62-63 monster would have if levels could go that high, so presumably 01:09 if this were november real tournament i would have gone back to stash to prep 01:10 but october is try-it month 01:10 it matches https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/y/youngster/tnnt/dumplog/1668060792.tnnt.html 01:12 so if you wanted to make your deathmatch player monster as hard to fight as possible, you should ascend at XL30, with as much as HP as possible, and wielding a +7 tsurugi 01:12 (and lots of full healing in open inventory since monsters can't loot bags) 01:13 i think the ranged attacks are more important. a +7 tsurugi does nothing when the NPC walks into a bear trap and the hero is two squares away putting arrows into it. 01:14 if i want to grief (which is not really my nature) i'll ascend with zero inventory. :) 01:15 yeah, you should probably take all your shit out of bags right before ascending 01:37 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:37 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 01:37 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 01:37 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 01:37 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 02:05 -!- crunchbubba has quit [Quit: Client closed] 02:17 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 02:26 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 02:29 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:29 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 02:29 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 02:29 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 02:29 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 02:51 -!- crunchbubba has joined #tnnt 04:12 swapchest test: earlier, i put in three items. i try to put in a fourth item. refused. i cast drain life on it 3 times. i try to put in a fourth item. still refused. 04:12 (right behavior from the swapchest) 04:17 -!- tinklebear has joined #tnnt 04:19 "I cast drain life on [the swap chest] 3 times." <-- a nice touch :) 04:21 i daresay most uses of drain life are on objects (armor and weapons) rather than monsters 04:42 * tinklebear is inspired to burn Elbereth IRL on the toilet to enforce respect for privacy 04:43 foocubus was like, "Furey, you're taking too long in there. I need to do my makeup" 05:22 i just like messing with the devteam level 05:58 -!- joes has joined #tnnt 06:05 -!- Grassy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:06 -!- Grassy has joined #tnnt 06:14 another one of those useful but unlinked wiki pages 06:38 -!- crunchbubba has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 06:46 votd swapchest: i put in a bugle (which works now), a unicorn horn, and a polished silver sheld. Not accepted: a blessed touchstone, mjollnir. the swapchest is still empty when i try to take an item out. 06:47 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 06:59 maybe because nobody else put any items in yet? 07:03 -!- Arseniy has joined #tnnt 07:18 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #tnnt 07:25 maybe so. i did get a ?oSM from ripley in an earlier game. 07:25 when more people start playing it will be easier to tell. 08:06 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:06 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:06 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 08:06 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:06 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 08:21 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:21 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:22 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 08:22 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 08:22 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 08:25 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:36 -!- Noisytoot has joined #tnnt 08:50 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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(www.adiirc.com)] 17:46 -!- crunchbubba has joined #tnnt 17:53 the US swapchest has 3 things added by Furey. good job, Furey 17:54 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 17:54 the US swapchest has 3 things added by Furey. good job, Furey 17:55 any non-furey items in US swapchest? 17:59 no 17:59 I added a +3 small shield but it went elsewhere 17:59 crunchbubba: things you add aren't visible to you 18:00 so it could be in the US swapchest 18:00 even if they go to the same server? 18:00 yeah 18:00 ah 18:00 you can't put in an item and pick it back out 18:00 I don't remember why that decision was made 18:00 maybe because that would be a free item ID ? 18:00 I guess so you can't put scrolls in just to ID them when you have additional copies 18:00 yeah I think that might have been it Furey 18:01 I have auto pickup for "pear" (with a secondary rule for "not spear") so every time I stand over it, I try to pick it up. that was confusing for a bit 18:01 oh haha, why do you have an autopickup rule for "pear"? 18:01 that's your fruitname? 18:01 no, just a standard fruit IIRC 18:02 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Pear 18:02 oh yeah 18:02 I forgot about that 18:02 i'm getting "an empty mysterious pearwood sapient container" a lot when i farlook, it's like nethack doesnt know that the swapchest can become not-empty at any time. probably not worth worrying about as more people come. 18:03 yeah it just says that based on your memory of it. it probably would be a good change to hide that info for the swapchest I guess 18:04 does the swapchest ever become know as a swap chest? 18:04 known 18:04 crunchbubba: instead of listing each food item individually, why not have pickup_types:% and AUTOPICKUP_EXCEPTION:" oh i mean > not < 18:04 hmm I don't know if it ever becomes known, I thought it did after you used it but maybe I'm imagining that 18:04 my config is not optimal at all. I have a section for corpses 18:05 :thought so too, but that doesn't seem to happen 18:05 or at least putting stuff in, and examining contents does not do so 18:06 oh yeah, it's once you take an item out that does it 18:06 I just tested it in wizard mode 18:06 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:06 so then when you encounter the next one in votd you'll recognize it as a swap chest 18:06 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 18:06 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 18:06 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 18:06 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 18:07 I need to reread the wiki entry 18:11 actually it seems like the 'known contents' bit for the swapchest isn't supposed to get set 18:12 but clearly it's getting set under certain circumstances if you are seeing it called 'empty' Furey 18:12 i can demo it for you in a few minutes 18:12 I love being a verb 18:13 also i zapped this particular swapchest with cancellation and drain life a few times, so it might be in an unusual state 18:13 (couldn't shove a fourth item in like last year's bug though) 18:15 let me check my swap chest then 18:16 one from Furey and one from someone else 18:17 okay i'm on upstairs and mine's end. i typed '/O' command. output is: 18:17 All objects currently shown on the map: 18:17  <52,16> ( an empty mysterious sapient pearwood container 18:17  <44,17> * a stone 18:18 (btw arseniy is on eu and i am on us so his chest is different from mine) 18:19 Now I am standing on swapchest square and I typed ':'. Output is: 18:19 You see here an empty mysterious sapient pearwood container. 18:19 This is T:67453 if anyone needs to check a ttyrec later. 18:20 I think cknown gets set if the chest is empty when you check it 18:20 Now I am looting it. I can't put an item in. (I put in three items yesterday.) There are three items I can take out: 18:21 a + an uncursed +3 small shield named a token from crunchbubba 18:21 b - an uncursed scroll of destroy armor named generously bestowed by DoktorL 18:21 c - a wand of striking named a token from DoktorL (0:6) 18:22 (doktorl = arseniy, and those items must have come from eu, cool) 18:22 neat 18:23 oops i selected something, my bad. oh well at least i got a nice shield. 18:24 I am still standing on swap chest and ':' command says: 18:24 You see here a swap chest. 18:31 so that's what my random junk was 18:32 I don't think it identified for me though 18:32 or maybe it did after I took a thing out and didn't notice? 18:33 its kicking behavior changes as well. 18:33 before taking item: swap chest will kick back, do damage, can even kill hero. 18:34 after taking item: swap chest inert to a kick. 18:35 The swap chest is unresponsive, but seems quietly amused by your frustration. Thump! Ouch! That hurts! 18:35 Yeah I wanted to test the retaliation after using it but got disappointed 18:36 check discoveries list 18:36 too late, just ended the game 18:37 i'm kicking a swap chest while arseniy ascends again. oh man! :) 18:38 Lol no, I got stuck at medusa and splatted 18:40 wait, what is this ttyrec 18:40 why is curses all messed up on playback 18:41 huh what is it and what are you using to watch it? 18:41 termplay 18:41 what's the url of the ttyrec? 18:41 never had issues with my own ttyrecs before 18:41 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/D/DoktorL/tnnt/ttyrec/2023-10-02.18:02:34.ttyrec.gz 18:41 wow yeah it does look weird 18:42 the map looks OK but the borders of the menus are all screwed up 18:43 ah yes, it self-identifies only when you remove an item 18:45 -!- qt has quit [Quit: bye] 18:46 -!- qt has joined #tnnt 18:47 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:47 Arseniy: weirdly when I download your ttyrec and play it with ttyplay it looks OK 18:47 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 18:47 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 18:47 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 18:47 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 18:47 it's just termplay that has that messed up display of it 18:47 I don't know what that means 18:47 brb 18:47 -!- qt has quit [Client Quit] 18:48 -!- qt has joined #tnnt 18:49 indeed, ttyplay is fine for me as well 18:54 -!- qt has quit [Quit: bye] 18:54 -!- qt has joined #tnnt 18:54 -!- qt has quit [Client Quit] 18:54 -!- qt has joined #tnnt 18:55 -!- qt has quit [Client Quit] 18:56 -!- qt has joined #tnnt 19:04 -!- crunchbubba has quit [Quit: Client closed] 19:13 -!- Umbire has joined #tnnt 19:32 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #tnnt 20:20 bug report: achievement 256, "Peak Condition", raise all attributes to at least 18. 20:21 I got to 18/** 18 18 18 18 17 and then blessed gain ability said I was as charismatic as I could get. The potion was right. I'm a ranger wearing a cornuthaum (bc that was my deathmatch choice so i'm rolling with it, looking forward to not getting clairvoyance spam on the ascension run). 20:23 When I removed the cornuthaum, my attributes are: 18/** 18 18 18 18 18, but I did not earn the ach. 20:23 Oops, that is ach 258, "Peak Condition", not 256. 20:23 there've been bugs like that before with missing triggers 20:24 happened a few turns before T:70076 20:26 i tried setting on an altar (reduces wis by 1) and applying unihorn (restores wisdom) and i'm back to 18/** 18 18 18 18 18 and still no ach. 20:27 oops i had the darn cornuthaum back on 20:29 okay actually did the sit-on-altar, unihorn-restore and the restore gets me to 18/** 18 18 18 18 18 and still no ach. 20:30 next i'll decrease wis and then engrave a few hundred elbereths. 20:31 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:31 -!- ais523 has joined #tnnt 20:32 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 20:32 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 20:32 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 20:32 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 20:32 or better, decrease wis, and then visit the incubus in sokoban 20:33 "severe headache". FINE. I've got two mor incubi locked up in a closet n the devteam office. 20:33 Dont judge me. :) 20:34 got no increase-attribute rings? 20:36 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:36 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 20:36 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 20:36 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 20:36 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 20:36 Ah, I didn't think of increase-attribute rings. I have str rings. 20:36 Anyways the incubus worked. 20:38 Just before T:70444. "You will always remember Delta... Delta demands that you pay him, but you refuse..." and hen I have ach #258 "peak condition". 20:38 To recap, reaching peak condition by removing a cornuthaum did not trigger, and reaching peaj conidtion by restoring wis with a unihorn did not trigger. 20:39 But reaching peak condition with succubus +wis did trigger. 20:40 actually, I'm not sure putting on a ring would have done anything 20:43 all those thing don't call adjattrib, and then there's a case of raising strength while weak and then eating which could be yet another code path 20:45 and similar for raising dex with broken legs 20:46 "here furey, step on this land mine and eat some royal jelly, see if that triggers" 20:47 so i found one path without a trigger and it sounds like you are finding a lot of paths, all of which will need trigger consideration 20:49 -!- martinp has joined #tnnt 20:52 Even a simple thing like: at 16 strength put on +1 ring and eat royal jelly - works. The other way around - doesn't. 20:52 don't have to time it with hunger or broken legs 20:54 but unweakening and healing legs is a different path from putting on and taking off things 20:55 also, all rings are the same code path but cornutham is another 20:55 (btw i'm really happy to be part of public beta!) 21:00 interesting Furey 21:00 (and Arseniy) 21:02 also I'm wondering about dunce cap 21:02 like with strength 17 and rest 18 you put it on, increase strength, take it off 21:03 helm of brilliance and gloves of dex look like yet another code path 21:05 it feels like it would be easier to just check for this achievement at every turn 21:08 I made a note of all this on the development etherpad 21:08 i dont think so. it should be simple if it only cares about your "true" attributes (those in u.acurr.a) and you can just have code in adjattrib which all calls to modify should run through (maybe besides initialization of that data)? 21:09 Demo1: the problem is it currently cares about ACURR instead of ABASE 21:09 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #tnnt 21:09 it sounds like it ought to care about ABASE only? 21:09 so yeah I had thought a simple fix would be to use ABASE instead of ACURR 21:09 i cant tell what the intention is 21:09 achievement cares about visible attributes, not the intrinsic ones that you would have without wearing anything 21:09 but I'm not sure what was intended 21:10 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:10 18 across the board sounds like ABASE was intention 21:10 but maybe it was thought that it could be made possible for other races that cant hit those all at 18 if ACURR was allowed? idk 21:10 the description is "raise all attributes to at least 18" 21:11 sounds like ABASE would help my case (base cha 18, curr cha 17 because of cornuthaum), ut would hurt every orc wizard who gets to 18 int with a HoB. 21:11 yeah for sure Furey 21:11 I found another good bug that lets you examine swap chest contents before donating anything 21:12 hey dont tell that qt guy, i heard he might fix it if he found out 21:12 if you choose "r" for "put something in, then take something out" and then decline to put anything in (or try to put in an object that's invalid), it will still present you with the list of items to take out 21:13 you can't actually take any of them out though 21:13 Demo1: I already wrote a commit to fix it locally, so it will be fixed by the time the tournament actually starts :) 21:14 -!- Demo1 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:14 -!- Demo has joined #tnnt 21:15 Demo1 was clearly unhappy to hear that 21:16 he has been put down 21:17 that's sad 21:20 he'll be back. he never stays down 21:21 like a bad penny 21:37 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:37 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 21:37 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 21:37 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 21:37 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 21:39 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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The swap chest is empty 22:34 just don't expect that to work during the tournament :) 22:38 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 22:54 -!- Arseniy has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:00 [tnnt] entrez pushed 7 commits to master [+0/-0/±10] https://github.com/tnnt-devteam/tnnt/compare/74ed8324dcaf...0c7b2ebe2ff5 23:00 [tnnt] entrez 358d4ef - Fix: blocking access to swapchest before donation 23:00 [tnnt] entrez b849a76 - Don't set cknown for empty swap chest 23:00 [tnnt] entrez 105020c - Use #define for swap chest magic number 23:00 [tnnt] ... and 4 more commits. 23:05 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 23:10 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #tnnt 23:11 -!- Furey has quit [Quit: Client closed] 23:17 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:17 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 23:18 -!- rld has quit [Changing host] 23:18 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 23:18 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 23:24 -!- Umbire has joined #tnnt 23:33 -!- Umbire is now known as PhantomLumina 23:36 -!- crunchbubba has joined #tnnt