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What happens to the candelabrum? 00:42 I don't know if it's physically possible for a monster to do so with any of the invocation items. 00:43 -!- BilldaCat has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:43 So Vlad would stay on the stairs if he's holding the candelabrum? 00:48 -!- tinklebear has joined #tnnt 00:50 -!- BilldaCat has joined #tnnt 00:50 "I don't know" 00:50 just that, idk 00:51 You'd have to find the answer to that question first 00:51 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 00:51 -!- kewldewd has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:51 -!- kewldewd has joined #tnnt 00:55 -!- kewldewd has quit [Client Quit] 00:55 interesting questions, tjw 00:58 could ask similar questions about quest nemesis 01:00 getting ready for tnnt 2023! 01:01 I figure it's either a way to get a trophy or make your game unwinnable, I just don't know which! 01:05 it would be poor taste for a trophy to require making game unwinnable 01:08 [US] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed bleeko's ghost, the former Pillager, on T:6390 01:08 Ermagerd! Mah gerst!!! 01:09 wonder how long the tnnt games/bones/swap-chest will be available 01:15 Can you even still start new games? I just thought it was available for a week to finish up old ones. 01:18 I think you can 01:19 [US] laura (Rog Orc Fem Cha) destroyed Gandelf's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:6924 01:20 yes, you can. i just started a wizard. 01:22 -!- Furey58 has joined #tnnt 01:22 My guess is the grace period is for people to get closure on their november games, not for us guests to hang around the host's space forever. 01:23 Oh right, hdf doesn't usually run 3.6.6, only 343, 370 and the variants. I understand 01:24 not the 3.6.6-ness, they already have 20 variants. but the tnnt-ness. 01:25 swap? 01:25 Or the many, many wiz bones bringing cloaks to all good children? :-) 01:26 -!- Furey has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:27 [US] laura (Rog Orc Fem Cha) destroyed dbanethacker's ghost, the former Fighter, on T:7244 01:28 not mechanisms, but psychology. tnnt is a thing that the admins do, and admins are people too, and they like to close the books. 01:28 Imagine if tnnt-2021 was still a playable option on hdf, it would just be getting in the way. Gotta close things sometime. 01:29 [US] laura (Rog Orc Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 14 darts on an altar, on T:7249 01:29 Sure, and I'm one of those players who only wakes up on halloween. Don't really play the rest of the year, although I did do Junethack for the first time this year. 01:30 i looked at junethack, leaning against it. i didn't see an achievements section. 01:30 Well the whole thing is achievements of a sort, but spread out as similar things in many variants. 01:31 Also I really like the swapchests, and I didn't see those on junethack. 01:31 <@post163> I prefer junethack - there are trophies to earn in both vanilla and variants. 01:32 What kinda trophies? 01:32 I was working hard banging on code and fixing my porch this summer, and Junethack was a welcome chance to try some different stuff. I enjoyed it much more than I expected 01:34 <@post163> Trophies for reaching branches, killing Medusa, or even playing 1000 turns (which can take me multiple attempts): https://junethack.net/trophies 01:35 Looking ... meh, I like tnnt achievements a lot more. It's okay, 300 people can enjoy junethack. :) 01:35 it seems to me like Junethack leaves it up to each variant's devs, what counts as an achievement in their variant 01:35 but maybe I misunderstood something 01:36 [US] a1 (Sam Hum Mal Law) ate for the first time - goblin corpse, on T:6303 01:36 [US] a1 (Sam Hum Mal Law) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a goblin corpse, on T:6303 01:36 Furey58: Take a look at shadowriders stats https://junethack.net/user/shadowrider38 -- he did a bunch. You can fill in boxes by playing the different variants and doing many different normal and crazy things. 01:37 I would characterize TNNT as being depth and Junethack being breadth 01:39 the tnnt inter-player swap chest mechanism is super cool. I agree, Furey58 01:40 25 asc in one month in different variants is a lot of skill, all right. But still - I would rather make the game do something different. Like, exploding a large box or chest is different. 01:40 I really enjoyed that this month too. 01:40 Like, I want to do road trips on 2-lane highways, and other people want to do coast-to-coast cannonball runs all month. 01:41 Next year I want to do some of the not-dying trophies. I did riders-not-dying but the others look a lot harder. 01:41 And there is room for everyone to play the game they want, which is fantastic. 01:42 Thinking about joining a team whose goal is all achievements. 01:44 Nemesis not dying wasn't too bad, but I was against the dark one. Master Kahn might be a bit different. 01:45 Depends on their resistances. 01:45 Vlad was tougher. No teleport, so I had to walk him over to the stairs and he ended up getting 5 level off me before I could scram 01:46 this month i learned restore ability restores *levels* which is very useful 01:46 The high priest was kinda in between. Had to polymorph twice because the first go I only got spellbooks and then he reverted me, but second time I got the amulet and cursed GL got me out quick 01:47 Yes, I applied that newfound knowledge myself after vlad :-) 01:47 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 01:47 Are nymphs the only polyform that can steal? 01:48 Not sure, but they seem the most capable 01:48 wiki says monkey can do it too 01:49 Fair amount of monsters have some form of theft, and then there's bullwhips 01:49 Now that would be some style points! 01:49 Bullwhip won't get amulet off high priest, I bet. 01:49 Can you get an item with a bullwhip or just disarm? 01:49 Nah, it only targets weapons 01:49 So if you're a daring Samurai perhaps 01:50 Never thought about that for samurai quest 01:50 Oh yeah, I think you can also do theft as a foocubus? 01:50 wiki page says you can. 01:50 Bleeko: Good, don't do it :B 01:50 Huh, really. 01:51 -!- crunchbubba has joined #tnnt 01:51 You can also tame monsters and they drop items. Have to check who's tameable though. 01:51 Umbire: Now I wanna do it :) 01:54 Humans and quest nemesis cannot be tamed. Riders can be (have done it). Vlad probably can be. 01:54 Don't know if a monkey can wear armor, but a nymph can. Which is kinda helpful when getting up-close and personal with these folks 01:55 Plus a smack on the head with paralysis makes everything go smoother ... 01:56 Monkeys're too small for it I think. 01:56 Nymphs and foocubi can wear all armor. 01:56 Oh, Vlad is covetous, covetous cannot be tamed. 01:57 Also it's hard to tame a rider without killing it a lot. 01:57 I was afraid of bullwhips while farming Orcus 01:59 Farming Orcus for Demogorgon. 01:59 ? 01:59 Yea, never got him, but did get Geryon and Dispater 01:59 I have a technique for Demogorgon. 02:01 After waking up Orcus, take him to the entry room of Wiz Tower. There's a corner square on lower right with portal next to it. I stand on that corner, and many of the monsters Orcus summons are spawned outside the tower, and some more monsters wander through the portal. Leaves me with a lot fewer summoned monsters to kill. 02:01 And no umber hulk can wreck that layout. 02:01 Nice 02:02 How do you get Orcus up there? Just cycle the portal yourself until he comes through? 02:02 He will follow you through a portal. 02:03 Wake him up, levport down to portal level, go to portal, go through portal. 02:03 Talk smack to him while waiting 260 turns. :) 02:04 But when fighting them, dont they warp to the ladder to recover? 02:04 Sure. Then you kill off some spawnees, maybe heal yourself, etc. Orcus will be back. 02:05 But when demo shows, how do you keep him from constantly fleeing? 02:06 Same as with Orcus or Rodney -- !oPara, rubber chicken, or DPS of 30+ (they have a threshold of about 50 HP for fleeing, and hero will occasionally get two rounds in) 02:07 also jousting, or superb multishot 02:07 Okay, after waiting so long a chicken would be tough without a wish, but para is always good. 02:08 It would be funny to prep an ice box at the wiz tower kill station 02:08 LOL 02:08 Also if I am doing 100000+ turn game, I often genocide c 02:09 I did a 115k game for the kill everything ach, that took some wind out of my sails 02:11 I figured out I wanted "kill everything" before I started genocides, so I just worked it in parallel with all the other things. I was only worried about missing exotics like fire vortex. 02:13 Yeah a 5 day game is mentally difficult. I am not going for "most achievements in one game" next year. 02:13 I started with the baby Ds because the clan was missing that, but then figured I'd keep going. Never did see a natural sasquatch and didn't want to wait until water for electric eels so had to revgeno those. 02:14 I got all the sea creatures before plane of water iirc. 02:14 But it's a small matter to wear an oilskin cloak for a while. 02:15 had some extra wishes, so I did cursed figurines for Archon, Kirin, and Djinni. I wanted everything out of the way before the planes. 02:15 My cursed djinni came out *tame* 02:17 10%'d 02:17 archons are a lot easier when you are prepped for them 02:17 ...also why cursed? 02:17 "kill them all" achievement 02:17 oooo 02:17 Usually makes em hostile 02:17 Right right 02:17 Yeah, 80% chance though 02:17 So you got unlucky 02:18 umbire, how was your tournament? 02:18 You hit your pet "That's what you get for all those missing wishes!" -- more -- 02:19 It was alright 02:19 Could've nailed an amazing finish had I started that game back up an hour earlier, but hey ho. 02:19 Next year! 02:21 Have to say, it was a godly finish for someone without holy water who ran out of gold detection before Water. 02:21 I need to learn: permablind, permahallu, nudist. And I need to practice: pacifist, foodless. 02:21 And who got para'd into mindflaying. 02:27 Never done pacifist. That seems crazy hard to me 02:29 I've attempted it on local 3.4.3. The UI challenge is insane. Gotta be on alert every move for a long time. 02:29 And then there's engulfers, and floating eyes, and other tough monsters. 02:29 [US] [D]: efot (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 1450 points, 1928 turns, killed by a rope golem 02:29 And no kills -> no death drops. 02:30 I got as far as gehennom once before I killed somethign. 02:30 Wow. If pet is doing all the work, don't you get drops from them? 02:31 Monsters are genned with some items, and you can get those, but no death drops. 02:31 So pet doesn't get death drops, only you do. 02:32 That's right. 02:32 Didn't realize that. 02:32 Plus the constant "m" to keep from bump killing ... 02:32 Hurts my play style, I like building up a 600 item stash. 02:33 That's why I want to find a team to do all achievements. Some achievements are gonna take 5 days and I don't want my whole tournament to be pacifist/nudist/permablind/permahallo. Wanna split those up. 02:34 Did a couple levels of soko hallucinating because reasons. That was interesting. 02:37 Oh BTW, could you drop hallu after the quest by removing it from your options? 02:37 I dunno. But I did do permadeaf achievement, and changing my options and my option file did not remove deafness. 02:37 Hmmm 02:38 It's okay to splat a game after a hard achievement. 02:39 Of course, I use those to get some pretty good unique deaths, like tasting medusa meat. 02:40 I kick-boxed a swap chest. It won. :) 02:40 LOL 02:41 I saw that -- trampled by an interdimensional luggage or something like that :) 02:42 "trampled to death by an angry box" 02:42 I really enjoyed giving my quest leader a boot to the head on my way to the planes 02:42 Oh I think I saw that. "thank you for your wisdom, master. now kindly receive this boot to the head." 02:42 One of my favorite songs 02:45 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8VD4JXUozM 02:48 gonna head back to nao now, put some training in 02:50 -!- Furey58 has quit [Quit: Client closed] 02:50 Bleeko: you can drop hallu by wielding grayswandir. So I hear 02:50 it breaks the conduct 03:00 -!- elenmirie has joined #tnnt 03:12 -!- shadowcat has joined #tnnt 03:21 Yeah, Grayswandir suppresses hallucination 03:21 Doesn't actually prevent the status 03:27 -!- BilldaCat has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:28 -!- cathartes has joined #tnnt 03:28 -!- BilldaCat has joined #tnnt 03:30 -!- dbanethacker has joined #tnnt 03:33 -!- BilldaCat has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:35 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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(sticks fingers in ears) 19:11 [EU] [D]: nmlkj (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 524 points, 2089 turns, killed by a dwarf king 19:14 [US] [D]: dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 20675 points, 9298 turns, killed by an incubus 19:23 -!- crunchbubba has quit [Quit: Client closed] 19:29 [US] [D]: dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 405 points, 601 turns, killed by a gnome 19:34 I made a big mistake starting my variant name with X because no month starts with x 19:34 the february fourk/fiqhack tournament, the september splicehack tournament, etc 19:37 the xanuary nethack tournament 19:42 xanuary xnethack xtreme xtournament 19:43 -!- Furey has joined #tnnt 19:45 -!- Furey has quit [Client Quit] 19:47 xanuary always seems like the longest month. An xournament would help break that up! 19:48 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:12 -!- Umbire has joined #tnnt 20:19 -!- elenmirie has joined #tnnt 20:27 [US] kewldewd (Val Hum Fem Law) completed the DevTeam Quest, on T:45155 20:34 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest8362 20:34 -!- Umbire has joined #tnnt 20:36 -!- Guest8362 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:41 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:12 [US] [D]: dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 517 points, 597 turns, killed by a kobold lord 21:14 -!- malor has joined #tnnt 21:14 -!- malor has left #tnnt 21:26 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 21:32 -!- Umbire has joined #tnnt 22:10 -!- elenmirie has joined #tnnt 22:40 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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