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00:00 <K2> alrighty. beta period is now over. clan sign up will be available in a few minutes
00:01 <hothraxxa> are we there yet?
00:01 <hothraxxa> i need to pee
00:01 <crunchbubba> don't make me stop this car
00:02 <hothraxxa> mom! he's touching me!
00:14 <K2> clan sign up is now active
00:15 <Bleeko> Wooooo!
00:15 <Demo> nice
00:15 <Demo> but im actually non affiliated
00:30 <rld> <@TheYOUNGster> Im down to join any clan for tnnt, preferabpy one with a cool name 😛
01:02 <rld> <@TheYOUNGster> But ive never even made it to the castle
01:04 <crunchbubba> are you user youngster?
01:04 <rld> <@TheYOUNGster> Yes
01:05 <crunchbubba> login to tnnt.org
01:16 <rld> <@TheYOUNGster> I accepted it
01:17 <crunchbubba> welcome!
01:17 <rld> <@TheYOUNGster> Surly dinos
01:17 <rld> <@TheYOUNGster> Nice name 🙂
01:17 <crunchbubba> we trend ... old. and surly
01:18 <rld> <@TheYOUNGster> Haha i see
01:19 <rld> <@TheYOUNGster> I suppose i would be new blood here
01:19 <Bleeko> Old and surly describes the entire tournament :-)
01:21 <rld> <@TheYOUNGster> Very fitting
01:21 <rld> <@TheYOUNGster> How would the surly dinos communicate, Irc?
01:22 <crunchbubba> on a mud, mostly, but I am on irc #nethack a lot, as are a few others
01:23 <rld> <@TheYOUNGster> How could i access the mud?
01:28 <crunchbubba> I would like to avoid broadcasting that. is there a place to DM you? you're on a relay from discord?
01:29 <rld> <@TheYOUNGster> Yes im in discord rn
01:30 <rld> <@TheYOUNGster> I wonder if u could DM from irc
01:41 <crunchbubba> OK, from a terminal  telnet dino.surly.org 6250   or  ssh -p 24 mud@dino.surly.org   user guest password guest  and if you're impolite you will not last (that happened recently)
01:47 <rld> <@TheYOUNGster> Ok thanks for letting me know, even though u would rather not share the info in public, appreciate it
01:48 <crunchbubba> I suspect irc #nethack will be far better, if you want advice. many good players there
01:49 <PhantomLumina> Hardfought's fine from the discord side
01:49 <PhantomLumina> As far as advice goes
01:49 <crunchbubba> I should probably open that channel
01:50 <PhantomLumina> #hardfought if you want it
01:53 <rld> <@TheYOUNGster> For sure i will ask for advice at #nethack too, just felt like we may need a way to talk together cos i saw some of those trophies could be earned by splitting tasks within the team
01:55 <rld> <@TheYOUNGster> I think that working together towards the goal adds to the team spirit 🙂
01:57 <PhantomLumina> crunchbubba does tend to frequent #nethack more, so yeah
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09:57 <rld> <@nabru> $time
09:57 <Croesus> @nabru: 2022-10-31 09:57:14 UTC. 2022 Tournament begins in 0d 14:02:45
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11:39 <aosdict> longstanding clan Teenage NetHack Ninja Turtles is once again accepting new members; if you've been in the clan previously, I will send out an invite as well
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12:36 <Snes_NH> Anyone able to help with a login issue to TNNT's site?
12:37 <Snes_NH> Had the same issue last year and ended up ditching the tourney because of it. I just can't log in to tnnt's site with my hardfought credentials
12:39 <Snes_NH> Sorted - had to change my password in dgame. Setting it to the same one didn't work - had to change it to a new one.
12:52 <K2> these are the best kinds of issues. they get sorted out before dev sees them :)
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12:55 <K2> $time
12:55 <Croesus> K2: 2022-10-31 12:55:14 UTC. 2022 Tournament begins in 0d 11:04:46
13:08 <nabru> $time
13:08 <Croesus> nabru: 2022-10-31 13:08:31 UTC. 2022 Tournament begins in 0d 10:51:29
13:08 <nabru> yay! less than 12 hours!
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13:09 <theWeaver> :o
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13:53 <rld> <@malor> $time
13:53 <Croesus> @malor: 2022-10-31 13:53:13 UTC. 2022 Tournament begins in 0d 10:06:46
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13:57 <K2> wooo
13:57 <K2> gettin there
13:57 <Demo> nope
13:57 <K2> yup
13:57 <Demo> time dilation
13:57 <K2> Demo are you playing this year?
13:57 <Demo> time does not flow the same Halloween night as it does the rest of the days
13:57 <Demo> probably play a game like usual
13:58 <K2> a game, as in just one? :)
13:58 <Demo> yeah, like usual
13:58 <K2> heh
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13:58 <Demo> 100% (50% now) asc rate on a valk dwa
13:59 <Demo> I would like free dsm though
14:00 <Demo> so I might camp the chest
14:01 <theWeaver> I'd be hard pressed to play even one game
14:02 <theWeaver> Demo: are you running order of the glockatrice this year?
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14:21 <Demo> probably not
14:35 <theWeaver> fair
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15:25 <qt> $time
15:25 <Croesus> qt: 2022-10-31 15:25:41 UTC. 2022 Tournament begins in 0d 08:34:19
15:25 <qt> 0d!?
15:26 <K2> -1 days
15:26 <K2> sqrt of -1 days
15:26 <qt> K2: I'd like to report a zero-day found in Croesus 
15:26 <K2> heh
15:26 <K2> i need to do a proper user mask for Croesus
15:27 <cbus> 0day
15:27 <cbus> sounds like nethack to me ;)
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16:31 <HalNovek> $time
16:31 <Croesus> HalNovek: 2022-10-31 16:31:03 UTC. 2022 Tournament begins in 0d 07:28:56
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16:34 <K2> :)
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17:02 <nabru> $time
17:02 <Croesus> nabru: 2022-10-31 17:02:00 UTC. 2022 Tournament begins in 0d 06:57:59
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17:09 <dragonmaster> What's the difference between scumming and abusing the RNG?
17:10 <dragonmaster> I'm just going over the rules and I found it interesting that scumming is permitted (even encouraged?) but "don't abuse the RNG."
17:11 <cbus> scumming = startscumming
17:11 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> abusing is prolly something more along the lines of using a tas to manipulate rng in your favor
17:11 <cbus> abusing the rng I guess is manipulating the RNG
17:11 <theWeaver> RNG abuse involves knowing in advance or back-calculating the seed and then manipulating the RNG to get good items
17:11 <cbus> or what shadow said
17:11 <theWeaver> but this shouldn't really be possible anyway
17:11 <dragonmaster> I hope not!
17:12 <dragonmaster> and thanks all for the responses
17:12 <theWeaver> some TAS exploits have been done to abuse the RNG of nethack in the past but the inner workings of the RNG have been tightened up to prevent that afaik
17:12 <theWeaver> and anyway any kind of TAS thing would be against the no bots rule
17:12 <dragonmaster> indeed
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18:54 <theWeaver> who wants to join Clan Spoopy Hack?
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19:11 <rld> <@greeny> count me in!
19:11 <qt> can someone get in touch with Odorus Orcs and tell them they are missing an o
19:12 <rld> <@greeny> @TheWeaver my nethack name ist greenbourne277. feel free to send me an invite
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19:21 <qt> greeny: you are the one I was spectating and tried to mail the other day
19:21 <qt> and I waited and waited and then finally looked up your rcfile and realized you had mail turned off
19:22 <rld> <@greeny> yes i have mail turned off 😄
19:22 <qt> you missed out big time on my wise commentary
19:22 <rld> <@greeny> i'll enable it again
19:22 <rld> <@greeny> i imagine
19:22 <rld> <@greeny> what was i running then?
19:22 <rld> <@greeny> barbarian?
19:22 <qt> I can't remember. I didn't actually have anything productive to say either, just "nice one" or something I think
19:23 <rld> <@greeny> ah ok 😄
19:23 <Demo> he sent u a high five
19:24 <rld> <@greeny> ok mail is activated again 🙂
19:24 <rld> <@greeny> i don't even know why is disabled it in the first place. probably just copy&paste from someone i got the config
19:35 <crunchbubba> Orcs can't spel gud
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19:55 <rld> <@malor> $time
19:55 <Croesus> @malor: 2022-10-31 19:55:20 UTC. 2022 Tournament begins in 0d 04:04:40
20:04 <elenmirie> $time
20:04 <Croesus> elenmirie: 2022-10-31 20:04:50 UTC. 2022 Tournament begins in 0d 03:55:09
20:05 * elenmirie taps fingers
20:08 <Bleeko> Oct 31  --  https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-cant-wait-impatient-anxious-eagerly-gif-15247947
20:08 <Bleeko> Nov 30 -- https://tenor.com/view/tired-spongebob-gif-11775826
20:09 <elenmirie> that's about the size of it, Bleeko!
20:12 <K2> https://www.hardfought.org/phpBB3/gallery/image/2530/source
20:13 <elenmirie> when in trouble and full of doubt, run in circles, and scream and shout!
20:44 <nabru> $time
20:44 <Croesus> nabru: 2022-10-31 20:44:39 UTC. 2022 Tournament begins in 0d 03:15:21
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21:16 <rld> <@greeny> i'm still in now clan 😢 who wants to send me an invite? greenbourne277
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21:28 <tacco> hiho!
21:28 <tacco> $time
21:28 <Croesus> tacco: 2022-10-31 21:28:35 UTC. 2022 Tournament begins in 0d 02:31:24
21:32 <K2> o/
21:33 <Demo> ok so i have decided when tnnt is
21:33 <Demo> we can start in about 2 and a half hours or so
21:33 <Demo> if this time doesnt work for anyone, too bad, maybe next year you
21:33 <Demo> 'll get input on when we start
21:37 <qt> thanks for being decisive about that Demo. I think a lot of people in your position would have been too afraid the schedule wouldn't work for someone, and would just keep discussing it until November has come and gone entirely
21:37 <Demo> thats what happened to the october tournament
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22:18 <rebatela> hello y'all... when does this start again?
22:19 <rebatela> oic midnight utc
22:19 <rebatela> carry on
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22:19 <rebatela> GO TEAMSPLAT
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22:23 <PhantomLumina> $time
22:23 <Croesus> PhantomLumina: 2022-10-31 22:23:45 UTC. 2022 Tournament begins in 0d 01:36:14
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22:38 <rld> <@TheYOUNGster> @crunchbubba i wasnt able to figure out how i could join the mud, but i figured out a way to kinda DM each other for troubleshooting. If u want, we could chat thru the mail system in a regular nethack game
22:39 <crunchbubba> ha. OK. did you use the terminal commands I gave you?
22:39 <crunchbubba> I still think IRC is probably best
22:41 <rld> <@TheYOUNGster> i tried, but it jumps straight to password, assuming the user is "mud"
22:42 <rld> <@TheYOUNGster> would it be more convenient for u or I to host a nethack game?
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22:43 <rld> <@TheYOUNGster> actually, how do we do IRC?
22:44 <crunchbubba> you would connect to #hardfought or #nethack in the same relay way you are now connected to #tnnt
22:44 <nabru> he's using Discord
22:44 <crunchbubba> yes
22:44 <nabru> https://web.libera.chat/?channel=#hardfought will put him into #hardfought
22:44 <Demo> what's discord?
22:44 <nabru> from there, he can join #tnnt
22:45 <crunchbubba> "somehow he's already connected to #tnnt through a relay (+rld)
22:45 <rld> <@TheYOUNGster> im connected to hardfought, tnnt, and #nethack thru the discord relay
22:45 <nabru> crunchbubba: yep, it's the IRC/discord relay
22:46 <Demo> is discord some halloween thing?
22:46 <nabru> but #nethack on the discord is not #nethack from IRC, it's ##nethack-discord
22:46 <rld> <@TheYOUNGster> discord is a chat and call messaging platform
22:46 <qt> demo it means lack of agreement or harmony
22:46 <crunchbubba> https://discord.com/
22:47 <Demo> whoa wtf theres nonfree javascript on this page
22:47 <Demo> my browser can't load that
22:47 <qt> told you it leads to disharmony
22:52 <Demo> 75% of these are probably javascript :( https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/639626937366478859/1036774620893814794/unknown.png
22:54 <nabru> unfortunately javascript has eaten over the world
22:54 <rld> <@nabru> $time
22:54 <Croesus> @nabru: 2022-10-31 22:54:56 UTC. 2022 Tournament begins in 0d 01:05:04
22:55 <rld> <@nabru> we're almost there!
22:58 <Demo> i am not a developer but yet i still find myself writing js for work :(
22:59 <qt> by js you mean jerk stuff, i.e. erotic fiction?
23:00 <qt> or jerk stories, that would have been a better term if i had only come up with it in time
23:00 <PhantomLumina> jerksity
23:01 <qt> is that a reference to jerkcity?
23:01 <qt> great comic
23:01 <PhantomLumina> agree
23:03 <qt> last time i heard someone mention that was years ago
23:09 <nabru> $time
23:09 <Croesus> nabru: 2022-10-31 23:09:09 UTC. 2022 Tournament begins in 0d 00:50:50
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23:21 <qt> $time please, Croesus. thanks in advance :)
23:21 <Croesus> qt: 2022-10-31 23:21:36 UTC. 2022 Tournament begins in 0d 00:38:23
23:21 <qt> thank you
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23:22 <nabru> $ping Croesus
23:22 <Croesus> nabru: Pong! Croesus
23:22 <nabru> $ping rougelike
23:22 <Croesus> nabru: Pong! rougelike
23:22 <rld> <@Eternal Guardian> It's spelled roguelike.
23:22 <rld> <@Eternal Guardian> It's spelled roguelike.
23:32 <PhantomLumina> Lemme see what clans're open...
23:39 <qt> someone invite poor greenbourne277 :(
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23:41 <nabru> $time
23:41 <Croesus> nabru: 2022-10-31 23:41:25 UTC. 2022 Tournament begins in 0d 00:18:34
23:41 <nabru> yay! less than 20 minutes
23:42 <qt> 20 minutes!? but my bedtime is in 15 minutes
23:42 <nabru> play it in bed
23:42 <nabru> bring your computer with you
23:43 <Bleeko> So what, I'm already asleep.
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23:44 <Bleeko> All of you exist only in my dream
23:44 <qt> how am I supposed to bring this PDP-11 into my bed nabru? tell me that
23:44 <nabru> bring your terminal with you and run some wires to it
23:45 <Bleeko> Those dec flip chips throw a surprising amount of heat.   Just like a nice electric blanket
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23:47 <K2> wooop
23:47 <K2> i just left a halloween party to see this kick off hah
23:47 * K2 is going back tho
23:47 <aosdict> wooo back in time for tnnt to start
23:47 <K2> \o/
23:47 <qt> wow K2 and aosdict did you both leave the same party early?
23:47 <K2> weather cooperated for a change
23:48 <K2> nice outdoor party with a bonfire
23:48 <aosdict> no I just left the halloween party from your apartment at 3am
23:48 <K2> hah
23:48 <qt> wow you were here all day enjoying the halloween party and you didn't even say hi to me?
23:49 <aosdict> in fact I did just come back from brooklyn
23:49 <K2> all, remember - do not login to the server until go time hits, otherwise you'll be on the old menu and tnnt will still be locked
23:49 <aosdict> obligatory pronouncement that clan Teenage NetHack Ninja Turtles is open to new members
23:49 <qt> invite greenbourne277
23:49 <qt> aka @greeny
23:50 <qt> was looking for a clan earlier and nobody would invite them
23:50 <Bleeko> @aosdict   PhantomLumina was also looking for you to get an invite
23:50 <PhantomLumina> Already handled
23:50 <qt> not due to an actual refusal but just nobody being here
23:50 <PhantomLumina> Seconds before you posted :B
23:50 <PhantomLumina> Oh, did green not get picked up?
23:51 <aosdict> ok I invited greenbourne
23:51 <qt> i don't think so PhantomLumina, he came back and asked a second time a little after the first one
23:51 <aosdict> it would be nice if the clan signup page didn't log you out after a few minutes
23:51 <aosdict> who made this piece of crap website anyway
23:51 <aosdict> :P
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23:51 <K2> hah
23:52 <K2> $time
23:52 <Croesus> K2: 2022-10-31 23:52:07 UTC. 2022 Tournament begins in 0d 00:07:52
23:52 <K2> errmahgerd
23:52 <nabru> less than 8 minutes for some EPIC GAMING
23:52 <qt> epic games? i've heard of them, they make forntite
23:54 <qt> $time
23:54 <Croesus> qt: 2022-10-31 23:54:59 UTC. 2022 Tournament begins in 0d 00:05:00
23:55 <qt> wow got it right on the 5, that's good luck
23:55 <qt> i will die in 5 turns
23:55 <aosdict> too many zeroes!
23:55 <nabru> well, I died on turn 2
23:55 <nabru> https://old.reddit.com/r/nethack/comments/y369zs/how_to_die_on_turn_2/
23:55 <Bleeko> Gotta start warming up the ASCII accellerator card, takes a few minutes for the power supply to stabilize
23:55 <nabru> I really want those crisp @s and &s
23:56 <qt> nabru: exactly, it's good luck because I'll last 3 more turns than usual
23:57 <spleen> @aosdict can you invite me?
23:57 <aosdict> name "spleen"?
23:57 <spleen> yes
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23:58 <aosdict> ah yes you're a returning member, right this way
23:58 <spleen> ty :)
23:58 <nabru> $time
23:58 <Croesus> nabru: 2022-10-31 23:58:43 UTC. 2022 Tournament begins in 0d 00:01:17
23:58 <efot> yay!
23:59 <K2> one last reminder, remember - do not login to the server until go time hits, otherwise you'll be on the old menu and tnnt will still be locked
23:59 <K2> ^ if you are connected early
23:59 <efot> then it will be @ time
23:59 <efot> followed by 🪦 time
23:59 <Bleeko> Just like the start of the cannonball run
23:59 <nabru> $time
23:59 <Croesus> nabru: 2022-10-31 23:59:56 UTC. 2022 Tournament begins in 0d 00:00:03
23:59 <qt> $time
23:59 <Croesus> qt: 2022-10-31 23:59:57 UTC. 2022 Tournament begins in 0d 00:00:03
23:59 <aosdict> $time
23:59 <Croesus> aosdict: 2022-10-31 23:59:57 UTC. 2022 Tournament begins in 0d 00:00:03