00:34 -!- stenno has joined #tnnt 00:39 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:03 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 03:19 -!- truculent has joined #tnnt 04:33 -!- truculent has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 04:35 -!- stenno has joined #tnnt 04:40 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:36 -!- stenno has joined #tnnt 06:41 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:00 -!- amateurhour has joined #tnnt 08:15 -!- luxidream has joined #tnnt 08:46 -!- FIQ has left #tnnt 08:51 -!- stenno has joined #tnnt 09:28 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:09 -!- luxidream has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:14 -!- stenno has joined #tnnt 11:19 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:30 -!- stenno has joined #tnnt 14:14 -!- HanClinto has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:50 -!- spicycat has joined #tnnt 15:13 -!- jeremiahL has joined #tnnt 15:44 -!- spicycat has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:42 -!- spicycat has joined #tnnt 17:37 i think one of the things that makes Great Role feel more repetitive, and harmful to your Z-score, is that many of them require you to play 2 or even 3 humans. maybe it'd be more palatable if Great Role simply required "one of each available race and alignment" for the role 17:37 great arc, bar, cav, pri, ran, val, and wiz would require one fewer human than before. only priest and monk would still require multiple 17:52 -!- jeremiahL has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:58 hmm 17:59 I think it ameliorates the problem a bit but doesn't solve it 18:01 I still don't see a problem with great role 18:02 all roles should probs be buffed, but great race is generally speaking better than great role if you're scheming for points 18:03 the only problem I have with great role is that it's not balanced for the amount of ascs for it in terms of reward 18:04 you get an extra 50 per asc, but for wizard your z-score removes more potential points (5 ascs) than for monk (3 ascs) 18:05 not that it's a huge problem as great role is a bad idea for points anyway 18:08 the trophy's badness may not be as obvious to other folks 18:09 i know we had someone who was quite intent on getting great gnome. 18:09 ...although probably not for points, more due to being a fan of gnomes 18:21 -!- spicycat is now known as spicycebolla 18:22 -!- jeremiahL has joined #tnnt 18:27 <@Tone> The role z score and Great Role trophies contradict each other a bit, but simultaneously punishing and rewarding the player or clan for playing repeat roles 18:27 <@Tone> by* 18:39 that's why it's been suggested to remove it from individual status, and be clan only 18:40 great role as an individual = boring, repetitive; as a clan = multiple people can do it and not get burned out on it 18:44 sounds good 18:52 once again I fail to see the problem 18:52 it's already not the best strategy for points 18:53 there are some roles that people enjoy doing over and over, see the regulars that just play monks, valks, or sams 18:54 if anything, all trophies should be available to both individuals and clans 18:54 there shouldnt be any separation 18:54 would be better to adjust how its scored 19:00 or have no scores 19:01 great role is awarded as a recognition, but all these conversations about point balance go away 19:07 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #tnnt 19:16 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 19:22 seeing as how the survey showed the respondants were roughly split evenly on that, i'd recommend this - we keep the scoring system, but add leaderboards for all of the trophies 19:23 see how that goes for 2021 and then adjust accordingly afterwards 19:26 I would like to get leaderboards done relatively quickly (ie not in october) 19:26 but aoei and I have to decide whether to toss out the perl backend first 19:26 agreed 19:26 do it 19:27 make it js 19:27 so i can contribute 19:27 :) 19:27 we could do some cool ajax like stuff too 19:28 sure but it should work without js 19:28 (i meant node in the backend, to clarify) 19:31 NodeJS? pfft move over grandpa, Deno is here 19:31 I would prefer python 19:32 <{Demo}> i support a js backend 19:33 python would work too i guess, but is not as good in certain things as node 19:33 for example its not good in parallel fetching of web sources which is what those things do 19:34 start using deno and change ur nick to sdenno 19:35 the fact that node is non-blocking allows to be one long-running process without any threading nonsense 19:38 * K2 watches the application process unfold 19:39 fwiw, stenno you absoltely have my vote to join the team if you want to help out 19:40 however, since it would be aoei and aosdict doing the majority of the web work, it's really their call 19:40 where is the web stuff? 19:40 ah i found it 19:41 you'd also have to change your name to 'atenno' 19:41 no one can work on tnnt web stuff unless your nickname starts with a 19:42 oh its like the scoreboard integrated 19:42 hey we're not obligated to help if our nick starts with 'a' are we? 19:42 heh 19:42 not obligated, just a requirement 19:47 -!- HanClinto has joined #tnnt 19:49 K2 shh, yes you're obligated 19:49 also I haven't really been involved with the backend. if aoei decides it's easier to keep the perl backend, I will continue not really being involved with it 20:01 stenno, send gifts to aoei 20:06 -!- aoei has joined #tnnt 20:06 here now hi y'all 20:06 gifts received 20:06 i will not participate in discussions right htis minute 20:06 cuz im a bit preoccupied 20:06 but im in the chan now at least 20:08 -!- spicycebolla has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:09 aoei, so you're caught up - stenno would like to help with tnnt, and rewrite the website using BASIC so people can view it using netscape 4.0 20:10 lmao 20:10 :P 20:10 K2: you jmade me lol irl 20:10 nice one 20:10 \o/ 20:10 oh no i didn't forget anything 20:10 i just left after tourney was over 20:10 beacuse i assumed nobody was gonna talk here anymoire XD 20:12 never say never heh 20:12 i guess k2 lol 20:24 -!- luxidream has joined #tnnt 20:37 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:00 -!- spicycebolla has joined #tnnt 21:06 -!- luxidream has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:19 -!- spicycebolla has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:26 -!- luxidream has joined #tnnt 21:45 -!- Umbire has joined #tnnt 21:51 -!- luxidream has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:52 -!- spicycebolla has joined #tnnt 22:09 -!- luxidream has joined #tnnt 22:23 -!- stenno has joined #tnnt 22:25 K2: you joke, but there is a pretty decent "freebasic" implementation, inspired very much by qbasic. ;) 22:25 i think it could be done... 22:25 loool you would know that wouldn't you 22:26 aoei: it's on my list of languages to do adventofcode with. 22:26 ofcourse :) 22:26 (once i stop being so darned behind). 22:26 but naturally my dear 22:26 lol i only did thefirst 3 days 22:26 its the 15th now 22:26 i have a feeling the gap is now too wide 22:26 the inertia too high 22:27 yeah... :( i have done... day 7...part 1... 22:27 had to fully relearn perl, turns out i had forgotten even the rudimentary perl i thought i knew, and it turned out i never understood nested data structures in perl back then. 22:28 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:45 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:56 -!- jeremiahL has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:26 -!- HanClinto has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:51 -!- HanClinto has joined #tnnt