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04:41 <rld> <@ShivanHunter> Good to hear :) 3.7 has this bug where sometimes the soko levels are flipped
04:41 <rld> <@ShivanHunter> :7
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14:30 <rld> <@FIQ> I wonder if I can make a case for specifically never flipping sokoban levels to DT
14:30 <rld> <@FIQ> it annoys people who like sokoban because it just artificially increases puzzle count, and annoys people who dislike sokoban because it makes it more prone to mistakes
14:31 <aosdict> but as with everything sokoban, there are people who like it
14:31 <aosdict> who see it as a breath of fresh air after playing the same eight levels forever, and it's not THAT hard to adjust movement...
14:32 <rld> <@FIQ> are you one of those people
14:32 <aosdict> not really
14:32 <rld> <@FIQ> picks up a wand of striking in preparation
14:32 <rld> <@FIQ> oh ok
14:33 <aosdict> I think I'd prefer more sokoban alts (there are so many that can just be copied from variants) over flipped vanilla ones which seem just as stale after playing them a couple times
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14:59 <Andrio> p - an uncursed rustproof +0 pick-axe named Pickaxe of Shame
14:59 <Andrio> I liked seeing those in UnNetHack
16:00 <rld> <@Tone> The puzzle aspect of sokoban is a novelty to me, and the fun of that will always decline over time imo, even if they add more puzzles.  I actually enjoy sokoban though, it offers some unique challenges and rewards, and is possibly the most unique branch out of any roguelike I've played.
16:02 <rld> <@Tone> I'm not sure that I'd actually want to solve a series new and unique puzzles every time I reach sokoban either
16:03 <aosdict> true, it's entirely possible that once someone finally does invent randomized sokoban people don't actually like it that much
18:00 <rld> <@bubbles> more like suckoban amirite
18:15 <rld> <@mtf> I'm in the camp of kinda liking sokoban too
18:15 <rld> <@mtf> I dunno, even when I mess up it's still kinda fun
18:15 <rld> <@mtf> I never fuck it up so bad that it's unsolvable without breaking a bunch of boulders tho
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19:08 <rld> <@Tone> Even breaking a boulder or two isn't a big deal usually
19:08 <rld> <@Tone> It might suck to break a boulder then engrave-test a wand of wishing though
19:09 <aosdict> yes that happens more often than you think
19:09 <rld> <@Tone> ....but you aren't allowed to complain about finding wands of wishing :P
19:10 <rld> <@Tone> I actually never considered that before, I may wait for the luck timeout before IDing wands there in the future
20:05 <K2> i like sokoban
20:05 <K2> except when the levels are flipped/mirrored/both