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09:35 <BEHiker92W> @K2 There's a magic fountain quaff.
09:36 <BEHiker92W> @K2 There's a bones file
09:37 <BEHiker92W> @K2 Another bones file, this one with a Mummy.
09:37 <BEHiker92W> Tamed a pet that belonged to the Mummy
09:38 <BEHiker92W> Magic trap and died to the Mummy, to be revived later as a mummy.
09:38 <BEHiker92W> @Hero was a Dwarf Valk. 
09:39 <BEHiker92W> ttyrec file is https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/B/BEHiker91W/tnnt/ttyrec/2019-10-26.09:00:08.ttyrec.gz
09:40 <BEHiker92W> Dump https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/B/BEHiker91W/tnnt/dumplog/1572080416.tnnt.txt
09:40 <BEHiker92W> On another subject: Is there any way to see the score during a game?
09:48 <raisse> showscore (in the options under O)
09:50 <BEHiker92W> raisse: The options go safe_pet, showexp, showrace, silent
09:50 <BEHiker92W> No showscore
09:51 <raisse> huh, you're right
09:52 <raisse> it must have been removed between 3.6.1 and 3.6.3 because the nao version still has it
09:52 <raisse> perhaps not enough people wanted it?
09:52 <raisse> or there was no room for score on the status bar
09:53 <raisse> with more status conditions to keep track of 
09:53 <BEHiker92W> Confirmed n.a.o has the option.
09:53 <raisse> I happened to have a nao window open so that's where I looked first
09:55 <raisse> fun fact: if you put OPTIONS=showscore in your rc file, it doesn't give an error message when starting a game but it doesn't actually do anything either
10:00 <BEHiker92W> Fail silently is the key to preventing users from annoying you by reporting all the bugs in your software.
10:03 <raisse> but then they'll annoy you by asking where the option went!
10:03 <raisse> or why it's having no effect
10:04 <raisse> (I never missed it, because I'm not interested in score)
10:04 <BEHiker92W> That could take forever. You might get the next release out by then or pivot and relaunch with a completely different app or at least find a new job where you don't have to take responsibility for all your old bugs.
10:06 <raisse> I don't think any of the current nethack developers do it just as a "job"
10:07 <raisse> or nethack is an "app"
10:07 <raisse> (sorry, pet peeve, not every program is an app)
10:07 <BEHiker92W> I can only repeat what I learned in Silicon Valley. It is the universal center of wisdom.
10:07 <raisse> I'm a European, I don't need to believe that :-)
10:08 <BEHiker92W> I feel sorry for you. You probably don't get to worry about dying because you can't afford health care, either.
10:08 <raisse> exactly.
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11:12 <K2> show score on bottom is a compile time option
11:12 <K2> i'll have a look
11:13 <K2> and i cant recall anyone ever asking me about score on the bottom. ever :)
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11:22 <K2> BEHiker91W i'll enable score on bottom soon, later this morning
11:23 <raisse> ah right, that's why neither hdf 3.6.3 nor tnnt has it
11:24 <raisse> because the latter is made from the former
11:24 <raisse> apparently either very few people care about score, or most people who do aren't here, so nobody noticed until BEHiker91W did
11:25 <K2> its no trouble to enable it actually, just one of those things i never worried about because *no one* had ever asked for it until now
11:26 <K2> and showscore is false by default
11:27 <K2> ok off to work see you all in a bit
11:31 <Andrio> And for some reasons, it breaks save compatibility.
12:02 <raisse> !time
12:02 <Croesus> raisse: 2019-10-28 12:02:13 UTC. 2019 Tournament begins in 3d 11:57:47
12:08 <raisse> somehow we seem to have neglected advertising the tournament on #nethack, people were surprised
12:11 * raisse is ambassadoring
12:12 <K2> the only advertising for tnnt on #nethack would have been the reddit posts rodney announces
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12:14 <K2> Andrio: yeah I was worried about that (enabling show score in config.h break save compat). for tnnt its no big deal, all games get wiped before the 1st so I can just wait and do that on the 31st when the 'shutdown 24 hrs prior to kickoff' goes into effect
12:14 <raisse> K2: shouldn't I have done it then?
12:14 <K2> but for all the other games on hdf... not so much
12:15 <K2> raisse: maybe? i wouldnt worry about it too much. we're not brand new this year
12:16 <K2> but yeah a reminder never hurt
12:16 <raisse> oh right, I thought I'd committed a faux pas by drawing attention to it
12:21 <K2> oh not at all
12:21 <K2> bring all the attention to it you want ;)
12:23 <K2> BEHiker91W thanks for the extra info 
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15:24 <BEHiker91W> Thanks, @K2. As for not caring about score, TNNT has chosen to award two trophies based on it, worth literally as much as 227 separate Dwarf Valk ascensions.
15:26 <rld> <@luxidream> uh, don't play the same role 227 times
15:26 <rld> <@luxidream> z-score will kill you
15:26 <rld> <@luxidream> er, role/racce
15:26 <K2> which score are you referring to BEHiker91W? nethack ingame score or the tnnt scoreboard
15:26 <K2> those are separate
15:27 <BEHiker91W> On the TNNT scoreboard, HIGHEST SCORE and LOWEST SCORE are trophies.
15:27 <BEHiker91W> 150 points each.
15:27 <K2> yup
15:28 <K2> ok i gotcha
15:28 <K2> yeah... valid point
15:28 <K2> so, being able to see your nethack score in-game will be possible before tournament start
15:28 <K2> i dont want to implement now, otherwise i'd make all current beta games save incompatible
15:29 <rld> <@luxidream> is scoring for the new conducts implemented
15:29 <K2> yes
15:29 <K2> there's still a bit more to do on backend
15:29 <BEHiker91W> @K2 Thanks for your work. I love the tournament.
15:29 <rld> <@luxidream> they don't show up next to my old games
15:30 <rld> <@luxidream> or in the scoring breakdown
15:30 <K2> BEHiker91W thanks, but others like aosdict (game code) and Mandevil (web backend) do most of the work
15:31 <K2> i do some and try to organize it all
15:31 <BEHiker91W> I'll try to remember to thank them, too.
15:31 <K2> @luxidream which doesnt show
15:32 <rld> <@luxidream> swapchestless, riderless, petless, etc
15:33 <K2> thats the bit that still needs work on the backend
15:33 <rld> <@luxidream> ah ok
15:33 <K2> right now the scoreboard is still just tracking canocial vanilla ach + e-wordless
15:34 <rld> <@luxidream> that;s going to break all known conduct records on scoreboard 😛
15:34 <K2> hah
15:35 <BEHiker91W> does petless mean no pets ever or just no starting pet?
15:35 <K2> no pets ever
15:35 <BEHiker91W> So my petless pacifist is going to have problems.
15:35 <K2> wow petless pacifist
15:35 <K2> thats hardcore
15:36 <BEHiker91W> Maybe I'll save the Great Impossible for next year.
15:37 <K2> :)
15:39 <rld> <@luxidream> gotta win zenudist first 😉
15:39 <rld> <@luxidream> maybe I'll try it
15:41 <K2> wooo
15:41 <K2> try perm hallu also
15:42 <K2> i'll definitely go for petless, i usually play that way anyways
15:43 <rld> <@luxidream> permahallu just doesn't sound fun
15:43 <rld> <@luxidream> I'll pass
15:43 <K2> it reminds me of playing slex
15:43 <K2> all the fleecy colors
15:44 <K2> ok i gotta minimize irc and get the report done hah :)
15:44 <K2> be back in a bit
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16:10 <aosdict> Should mention, for petless, we ported the xnh/splice guardian angel tweak. The angel shows up merely peaceful, not tame, if and only if you have maintained petless conduct up to the point of arriving on Astral.
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16:11 <aosdict> This is to prevent you from having to deliberately do things to mangle your alignment record down from probably a very high number to below 8 or whatever it is.
16:12 <rld> <@luxidream> or wear conflict to astral
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16:17 <aosdict> The expectation is that there aren't really going to be any players who set nopet in their options, stay away from taming things all game, but then expect to have the guardian angel show up on astral because they DON'T care about petless.
16:18 <aosdict> Also, we did not port xnh's feature where magic traps don't tame monsters anymore, so you can in some rare cases lose petless through no fault of your own (polyselfless also has this problem ofc)
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16:38 <K2> ok thats done
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18:03 <rld> <@luxidream> easy suggestion: livelog for killing arena player monsters
18:04 <rld> <@luxidream> maybe it exists already but I don't know
18:05 <K2> it does
18:05 <K2> Croesus bot wont start chatting until nov 1st midnight UTC
18:06 <K2> *chatting on its own
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18:42 <Not-def6> [tnnt] k21971 pushed 1 commit [+0/-0/±3] https://git.io/JeuRx
18:42 <Not-def6> [tnnt] k21971 6341162 - Killing the NPC from NPC deathmatch quest counts as an achievement
18:50 <raisse> I suppose croesus will answer when we ask it things
18:50 <raisse> !time
18:50 <Croesus> raisse: 2019-10-28 18:50:31 UTC. 2019 Tournament begins in 3d 05:09:28
18:50 <raisse> yes, it does
18:51 <aosdict> !coffee
18:51 <aosdict> ...
18:51 <jonathanhanes_> !commands
18:51 <Croesus> jonathanhanes_: available commands are !help !ping !time !tell !source !lastgame !lastasc !asc !streak !rcedit !scores !sb !score !clanscore !clantag !whereis !players !who !commands
18:51 <aosdict> !streak aosdict
18:51 <Croesus> aosdict: No streaks for aosdict.
18:52 <jonathanhanes_> !whereis jonathanhanes
18:52 <Croesus> jonathanhanes_: jonathanhanes is not playing.
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18:52 <jonathanhanes> !source
18:52 <Croesus> jonathanhanes: https://github.com/tnnt-devteam/tnntbot
18:56 <rld> <@luxidream> !streak
18:56 <Croesus> @luxidream: No streaks for @luxidream.
18:56 <rld> <@Cerebot> luxidream has 5 consecutive wins (VSGl, VSWn, VSFi, VSAr, VSWr).
18:56 <rld> <@luxidream> thanks Cerebot
18:57 <rld> <@luxidream> at least someone acknowledges me
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19:11 <K2> hmm
19:11 <K2> thats not right
19:12 <K2> !lastgame luxidream
19:12 <Croesus> K2: [US] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/tnnt/dumplog/1572191164.tnnt.html
19:12 <K2> heh luxi fix your cfg :)
19:16 -!- tolkien.freenode.net changed the topic on #tnnt to: The November Nethack Tournament - TNNT 2019 is coming :: https://redd.it/dbtsy4 :: Public BETA is now open for play, please report any bugs or issues
19:16 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v Croesus] by ChanServ
19:16 <raisse> ah, that's why I didn't know it
19:16 <K2> !streak luxidream
19:16 <Croesus> K2: [US] luxidream Max: 2 (2019-10-26 - 2019-10-26).
19:16 <K2> !streak @luxidream
19:16 <Croesus> K2: No streaks for @luxidream.
19:16 <K2> ah see
19:16 <K2> luxi no @
19:17 <rld> <@Tone> That's a lot of vinestalkers
19:17 <rld> <@luxidream> lol it's my favorite race
19:17 <rld> <@luxidream> completely brain dead
19:17 <rld> <@Tone> Cool, I'm not really familiar with them yet
19:18 <rld> <@luxidream> they can't use healing potions, but have spirit shield and eventually get regeneration 2
19:20 <rld> <@Tone> I'll have to try one sometime
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20:35 <jonathanhanes> K2 or aosdict: when I try to revoke an invitation made by another admin in the clan I get "Failed to drop invitations (attempt to write a readonly database)" error
20:36 <jonathanhanes> luxidream: maybe you have to be the one to revoke the invite
20:36 <raisse> only the person who issued the invite can revoke it? (makes sense, somehow)
20:37 <jonathanhanes> that's what I was thinking
20:42 <K2> ah hold on
20:42 <K2> one sec jonathanhanes
20:44 <K2> jonathanhanes ok try now
20:44 <jonathanhanes> works
20:44 <K2> yup
20:44 <K2> that was my fault, but easy fix
20:46 <jonathanhanes> thanks :)
20:46 <K2> \o/
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21:27 <FIQ> @luxidream why VS?
21:27 <FIQ> or did you just happen to streak the longest with it?
21:28 <rld> <@luxidream> they have regneration
21:28 <rld> <@luxidream> so if I get into a bad position by tab mashing
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21:28 <rld> <@luxidream> I can just back up
21:28 <FIQ> fair
21:28 <FIQ> I remember playing around with VS
21:28 <aosdict> jonathanhanes: the real question here is why ootc leadership is divided on who they want invited into the clan... HMMM
21:28 <FIQ> it was kinda fun
21:28 <rld> <@luxidream> we're not, I just forgot to invite someone
21:28 <FIQ> my favorite DCSS race is ds though
21:29 <FIQ> well, 90% of the time at least
21:29 <luxidream> ds is weak imo
21:29 <FIQ> it is
21:29 <FIQ> unless you get silly RNG
21:29 <luxidream> later on it is very good
21:29 <FIQ> once I got a ridiculous set of mutations and ended up winning with all 15 runes on it
21:29 <luxidream> especially if you're mega zigging
21:30 <FIQ> also did a ziggurat on it, mostly to see what the hubbub about it was about
21:30 <FIQ> I didn't do more than one
21:30 <luxidream> I have a currently ongoing ziggurat character
21:30 <luxidream> let me see if I can find it
21:30 <FIQ> what setup?
21:30 <FIQ> iirc my 15rune win was a DSFi of Gozag
21:30 <FIQ> *DsFi
21:31 <FIQ> not sure if it was Fi, but it was some melee role
21:31 <luxidream> http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/luxidream/luxidream.txt
21:31 <luxidream> I forgot wucad mu in an earlier zig so this isn't optimal by any means
21:31 <luxidream> but I'm not dead
21:32 <FIQ> has randarts always been able to give +Blink?
21:32 <luxidream> as far as I know
21:32 <FIQ> hmm ok
21:33 <FIQ> isn't *Corrode really bad
21:34 <luxidream> not when you have 68 AC
21:34 <FIQ> fair
21:34 <luxidream> it also doesn't affect spellpower
21:34 <FIQ> indeed
21:34 <luxidream> the +blink is nice because it can be used under silence
21:35 <FIQ> mhm
21:35 <FIQ> but it isn't controlled, is it?
21:35 <luxidream> no it isn't
21:35 <FIQ> only scroll and high-level spell gives that
21:35 <luxidream> teleport control hasn't been a thing in crawl since forever
21:36 <luxidream> correct
21:36 <FIQ> cTele was removed since forever, yeah
21:36 <FIQ> somewhere around 0.18 or so
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23:38 <K2> so fun fact...
23:40 <K2> BEHiker91W i know why you were getting the 'peak condition' achievement when you hadnt gotten all attribs up to 18
23:41 <K2> the scoreboard .json file had some achievements missing. they've been added now, and that in turn *really* screws up the achievements.
23:41 <K2> so to make it right moving forward for the public beta, i need to wipe all the xlogfiles
23:41 <K2> :D
23:41 <luxidream> F
23:41 <K2> hahah
23:42 <K2> if they could have been added to the end of the json config, no problem
23:42 <K2> but they're in the middle
23:42 <K2> the bit assignments are all different now from a certain point
23:43 <K2> luxidream if you look at your player page right now, it shows you made it to your quest while perm blind/perm hallu/perm deaf
23:43 <rld> <@luxidream> yeah it does
23:43 <rld> <@luxidream> the achievements have been broken for a while
23:43 <K2> because 7 were missing
23:44 <aosdict> and celestial disgrace got deleted
23:44 <K2> aosdict had them added to the game code, but i missed adding them to the backend config
23:44 <K2> so thats on me
23:44 <K2> but better now than tournament start
23:44 <K2> this is what public beta is for :)
23:47 <K2> it'll happen later tonight