01:53 -!- greqrg has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:59 -!- deadnoob has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:28 [US] IceBox (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:18339 04:58 [US] [D]: Bartlem (Val-Hum-Fem-Neu), 516830 points, 32995 turns, killed by Vlad the Impaler 05:00 -!- Bartlem has joined #tnnt 05:00 -!- Bartlem has quit [Client Quit] 05:15 <@Luxcalibur> !lastgame Bartlem 05:15 @Luxcalibur: [EU] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/B/Bartlem/tnnt/dumplog/1542399244.tnnt.txt | [US] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/B/Bartlem/tnnt/dumplog/1543726717.tnnt.txt 05:16 [US] IceBox (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed fixed greased +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:18499 05:30 -!- raisse has joined #tnnt 05:50 [US] IceBox (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:21251 06:06 [US] IceBox (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) had Grimtooth bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:23758 06:38 -!- Xaleth has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 06:47 -!- irina|log has left #tnnt 07:09 [US] IceBox (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:29457 07:50 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #tnnt 09:27 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:04 -!- eraserhead has joined #tnnt 10:07 [EU] AlbertB (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:38762 10:53 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #tnnt 11:15 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:49 -!- LarienTelrunya has left #tnnt 12:14 -!- raisse has joined #tnnt 12:27 -!- Grasshopper has joined #tnnt 13:11 -!- eraserhead has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:16 -!- eraserhead has joined #tnnt 14:18 -!- greqrg has joined #tnnt 14:42 -!- spontiff has joined #tnnt 15:49 -!- jilles_ has joined #tnnt 15:49 -!- jilles has quit [Quit: moving client] 15:50 -!- jilles_ is now known as jilles 15:59 -!- deki has left #tnnt 16:48 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:49 -!- raisse has joined #tnnt 16:56 <@Tone> K2: Is there any way to know how many wands of wishing were deposited into the swap chests during the tournament? 16:56 hmm 16:56 not sure 16:56 need to ask Tangles 16:57 I got a 0:2 one from the eu chest 16:57 (and would have ascended that one but for Yeenoghu) 16:58 <@Tone> Just curious, I think it would be an interesting statistic. 16:58 <@Tone> I have a feeling the number is a little higher than people might think. 17:01 yeah i'm curious too 17:02 a lot of comments on that reddit thread already 17:02 <@Tone> Yeah it blew up overnight 17:02 <@Tone> I'm going back through it now 17:03 been thinking about the loot we scattered around in the devteam level 17:04 what about it? 17:04 <@Tone> Yeah? 17:04 either remove a lot of it or make it harder to get to 17:04 why? 17:04 <@Tone> That level was pretty useful overall 17:04 sorry mini-me picked that exact time to show me her letter to santa 17:04 I mean that seriously, it's good clean fun, why nerf it? 17:05 just thinking 17:05 <@Tone> I understand it was intended to help with achievements, but the free throne, ID scrolls, sinks, fountain are pretty helpful 17:05 whether you do the devteam quest or not, its a lot of free stuff 17:06 <@Luxcalibur> id scrolls, 2 rings 17:06 yes, what's wrong about it? everybody gets it 17:06 3 spellbooks 17:06 <@Luxcalibur> that's useful to about two roles 17:06 just me thinking out loud 17:06 <@Luxcalibur> and the spells don't increase survivability 17:06 <@Luxcalibur> you're not handing the players magic missile or identify 17:06 divination spells do *so* increase survivability 17:07 if you want to make it more difficult, make the stairs only open when you have all 3 of the scrolls 17:07 maybe keep the loot that's there, but put it all in the chest in the PEBCAK area 17:07 and/or put someone in a small room as the receptionist 17:07 ooh raisse thats a neat idea 17:08 getting to the PEBCAK area is trivial 17:08 <@Tone> I kind of like the idea of having to complete the quest to get access to the goods 17:08 <@Luxcalibur> so that invalidates mike stephenson's advice, right? 17:08 you can leave the scrolls you already found with the receptionist to eliminate the risk of swimming accidents or fire vortices 17:08 <@Tone> The throne might be a little too useful 17:08 <@Luxcalibur> you have to find all three scrolls by yourself 17:09 it's a sort of quest, I don't think a throne is unfair 17:09 I mean what's *against* being generous? 17:09 <@Luxcalibur> oa 17:10 yeah that would invalidate Mike's advice, and his entire dialogue 17:10 put paxed in the anteroom, and have *him* say there might be a scroll on level X if you arrive with 2 (or with the second) 17:10 -!- ais523 has joined #tnnt 17:11 hmm 17:11 well. things to think about anyways 17:15 oh and have the receptionist (paxed or whoever) explain about the code 17:15 mike can do the "thank you, you've done the right thing" part 17:15 and hand out the shirt 17:16 the receptionist can behave like a shopkeeper and just block the door if you don't have all 3 scrolls on you (in open inventory) 17:17 gah, one of these days someone will complain that there are candles and WW boots in vlad's tower 17:19 also (tangent, not pertinent to this particular discussion) it gets on my nerves when someone says "I personally don't need/do/want/like X, it should be removed" 17:24 raisse: IIRC I was a bit upset by the candles in Vlad's, because they make the whole candle-gathering earlier in the game completely pointless 17:25 as in, I think they remove interest from the game by removing any use from the more difficult sources of candles, as you can just take candles from Vlad's instead 17:25 that said, gathering candles possibly wasn't that interesting anyway? 17:25 <@Tone> They are definitely convenient. But it would probably have been fine to just guarantee 7 candles at Izchak's 17:26 a lot of people said that about points for Elberethless conduct 17:26 <@Tone> Actually buying candles from Izchak it a little more difficult now too due to the new gold generation rates 17:26 er, that was in response to the last thing raisse said 17:26 the late-game candles would have a big influence on how I play; I typically skip the Mines anyway nowadays, so they effectively save a wish 17:27 ais523: It's really worth the most as an anti-frustration feature. 17:27 ais523: bug: Izchak still says 'You may well need something from this shop in the future.' 17:27 I could see having a late-game source of candles for people who have destroyed their early-game candles, but more out of the way / harder to get to 17:27 as opposed to being right next to the Candelabrum 17:27 And it means that you can actually _use_ candles you buy in izchak's to light the mines rather than have to save them for later, and remember to save them for later 17:27 jilles: I think that's still a useful hint, isn't it? 17:28 you do in fact need candles in the future, just you don't have to buy them from Izchak 17:28 ais523: Well, you can implement sconces that the player can loot candles from... :-) 17:28 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:32 hmm, shouldn't this conversation be in #hardfought? 17:32 I'll move it over there 17:44 -!- raisse has joined #tnnt 17:58 [US] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) averted death, on T:5797 17:58 [US] [D]: rebatela (Mon-Hum-Mal-Neu), 12545 points, 5801 turns, killed by a chameleon imitating a mastodon (and 10 other games not reported) 18:00 wait, is tnnt still going? 18:00 it isn't november any more 18:01 K2 left it open so people could finish their games. It's not being scored, though 18:01 and I think it will be turned off entirely tomorrow 18:03 yup 18:04 i for got to set it set so you cant start new games, but its not that big a deal 18:04 will remember for next year 18:13 -!- jonadab has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:26 -!- spontiff has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:34 <@ChristmIceBox> when's it gonna be shut down? trying to gauge the level of hustle this orc wiz needs 😃 18:52 rld: quote from K2 on Mov 30 "any current games you want to finish, go for it. you have the entire weekend to finish them" 18:53 so I would say midnight tonight UTC 18:54 -!- eraserhead has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:54 which is another 5 hours 18:55 or perhaps even midnight K2's time so people in the US also have the entire weekend 18:58 raisse: actually where am, tnnt ended a few hours before midnight on Nov 30, so it seems to be tied directly to UTC 18:58 I'm pretty sure it's whenever K2 pulls the switch and not actually scheduled. 18:58 lol yes 18:58 If someone is racing through the Planes, he'll let them finish. 18:58 If someone's just stepped into the Mines... not so much. 19:11 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 19:12 it'll be late tonight my time. no real set time 19:12 midnight-ish 20:47 <@ChristmIceBox> rip then orc wiz icebox, you'll be missed! 21:05 -!- AlbertB has joined #tnnt 21:07 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:08 [EU] AlbertB (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:39530 21:20 [EU] AlbertB (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed +3 rustproof gauntlets of power", on T:39533 21:23 [EU] AlbertB (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed ring of levitation", on T:39539 21:24 [EU] AlbertB (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed amulet of life saving", on T:39539 21:28 [EU] AlbertB (Val Hum Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:39681 22:04 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #tnnt 22:06 I missed the end, but TNNT was great. A big thanks to the organization. 22:09 The Organization is grateful. 22:19 Way to make it sound sinister 22:38 [US] oh6 (Arc Dwa Fem Law) had Demonbane bestowed upon her by Quetzalcoatl, on T:56672 22:58 I am in the valley of the dead and can't find the stairs further down. According to the wiki they should be in the top left cornen. But I can't go there because there are undiggable walls. What can I do? 23:05 <@Tone> AlbertB: There's a secret door at the top right of the temple 23:05 <@Tone> then a few more on the way to the stairs but they are more straightforward 23:05 ^ the one thing that killed my ambitions of ever ascending unspoiled 23:06 Found the door. Thanks! 23:06 <@Tone> did you think you had reached the bottom of the dungeon? 23:07 No, I knew there was *something* I was missing but didn't know where or what or how I was supposed to do it. I didn't suspect a secret door and even if so wasn't going to go search every wall. 23:08 <@Tone> oh, and I don't think the valley can be mapped 23:08 <@Tone> yeah that's tricky 23:10 because all I had at this point was knowing Moloch is the big bad god guy, and there's... a dead end temple to him? 23:10 and level teleportation to below only works from the valley itself... 23:10 The downstairs give me a scaring message and ask if I really want to go down. Is there no way back? I still haven't started my quest. Should I better try the quest first? 23:10 I doubt I knew about level teleportation at that point. 23:10 AlbertB: It's only flavor. 23:10 <@Tone> AlbertB You can go back 23:11 <@Tone> They're just stairs 23:11 Thanks guys! I am a bit scared. As you might assume yet I 23:11 I.ve never been this far. 23:12 "So be it. You fall down the stairs." 23:12 <@Tone> That was always my favorite yafm 😄 23:12 jilles: I doubt I knew about level teleportation at that point. 23:13 YANI: After the valley, have another special level which is the Gates of Hell proper. Complete with lava and demons and FUN 23:13 <@Tone> AlbertB: There's not much to be scared of right away. You'll be seeing a lot of minotaurs though so be ready for that 23:14 <@Tone> Also make sure you have cold resistance if you are going to fight Asmodeus 23:14 and fire resistance to prevent losing maxhp from fire traps 23:14 <@Tone> yep 23:14 I am a valryre. Cold resitsance is no problem. 23:15 Regarding fire I am not sure but I think I have got it. 23:15 Anyway I have to stop now. I'ts already too late. 23:17 -!- AlbertB has quit [Quit: Page closed]