00:00 DAILY STATS AT 2018-11-21 00:00 UTC: Games: 174, Asc: 6, Scum: 12. 880820 turns, 16715724 points. 10d 04:37 gametime. (42%Wiz), (30%Hum), (43%Cha), (60%Fem), 9d 23:59 remaining. 00:05 [US] [D]: truebiz (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 1172 points, 2267 turns, killed by a giant rat 00:08 -!- iyarkonan has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:17 how do I check credit in a shop? 00:18 dang - it's messing up all my Price IDs - is selling +10% now? 00:18 [EU] noims (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:14406 00:19 oh, ic - it's the other way around - divide by 0.9 00:19 [US] eitwinston (Arc Dwa Mal Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:43364 00:19 [US] eitwinston (Arc Dwa Mal Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:43365 00:24 [US] [D]: Xaleth (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 684 points, 600 turns, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted wererat (and one other game not reported) 00:25 -!- Xaleth has joined #tnnt 00:27 You consume pureed floating eye. Yummy. 00:30 [US] eitwinston (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed Orcus, on T:43947 00:34 [US] bouquet (Rog Orc Fem Cha) averted death, on T:2403 00:37 [US] eraserhead97 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7552 00:37 [US] IceBox (Rog Orc Mal Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:47272 00:39 [EU] toneLive (Arc Dwa Mal Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 speed boots", on T:17011 00:40 [US] [D]: bouquet (Rog-Orc-Fem-Cha), 1259 points, 3035 turns, killed by a homunculus, while helpless 00:41 -!- aoei has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:43 [US] Karnac (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:410 00:44 [EU] toneLive (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed the Minion of Huhetotl, on T:17096 00:45 [EU] toneLive (Arc Dwa Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:17098 00:45 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:28520 00:45 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) genocided class h, on T:28521 00:45 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 00:46 [US] Karnac (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:411 00:46 [US] Karnac (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed fireproof +2 pair of speed boots", on T:417 00:48 [US] Karnac (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed ring of polymorph control", on T:434 00:49 [US] Karnac (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed ring of polymorph", on T:435 00:55 [US] Delraven (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:30655 00:56 [US] Delraven (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed Yeenoghu, on T:30669 00:56 [US] eitwinston (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:45542 00:57 [US] eitwinston (Arc Dwa Mal Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:45551 00:58 [US] [D]: Glord (Bar-Orc-Mal-Cha), 407 points, 899 turns, killed by a small mimic 00:58 [EU] toneLive (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed Orcus, on T:17287 01:02 [US] eitwinston (Arc Dwa Mal Law) performed the invocation, on T:45740 01:02 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:34157 01:02 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) genocided class ;, on T:34167 01:02 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) genocided class R, on T:34168 01:02 -!- Glord has joined #tnnt 01:06 [US] Karnac (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:2181 01:07 dang - a blessed +5 Uruk-hai shield 8^P 01:08 [EU] toneLive (Arc Dwa Mal Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:17474 01:09 [EU] toneLive (Arc Dwa Mal Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:17528 01:11 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) genocided gremlin, on T:35228 01:13 [US] eitwinston (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:46004 01:14 [US] eitwinston (Arc Dwa Mal Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:46007 01:20 -!- Noims has joined #tnnt 01:20 [EU] noims (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed +3 silver dragon scale mail", on T:19014 01:23 [US] oh6 (Pri Hum Fem Cha) killed the invisible Nalzok, on T:38639 01:24 [US] oh6 (Pri Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:38653 01:30 [US] [D]: bouquet (Rog-Orc-Fem-Cha), 1954 points, 3286 turns, killed by a giant mimic 01:30 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:38461 01:30 [US] IceBox (Rog Orc Mal Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:47445 01:31 [US] [D]: shadowcat (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 7873 points, 7233 turns, killed by a hill orc 01:32 [US] oh6 (Pri Hum Fem Cha) polymorphed her first item, on T:39095 01:35 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:36 [US] IceBox (Rog Orc Mal Cha) genocided class ;, on T:47718 01:36 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:39246 01:39 [US] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:822 01:39 [US] IceBox (Rog Orc Mal Cha) bribed Asmodeus with 79 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:48064 01:40 [US] [D]: shadowcat (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 764 points, 903 turns, killed by a rabid rat 01:41 [US] Karnac (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur, on T:3945 01:41 [US] IceBox (Rog Orc Mal Cha) bribed Baalzebub with 156 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:48275 01:45 [US] eitwinston (Arc Dwa Mal Law) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:47264 01:46 [US] [D]: shadowcat (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 342 points, 1289 turns, killed by a garter snake, while frozen by a monster's gaze 01:48 [EU] toneLive (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:17853 01:49 [EU] noims (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:20934 01:49 [EU] toneLive (Arc Dwa Mal Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:17864 01:55 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Ashikaga Takauji, on T:42078 01:55 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:42080 01:56 [US] eitwinston (Arc Dwa Mal Law) entered the Planes, on T:47472 01:57 [US] Bartlem (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 423 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:36018 01:58 [US] [D]: shadowcat (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 695 points, 1380 turns, killed by an iguana, while frozen by a monster's gaze 01:59 [US] IceBox (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed Orcus, on T:49446 01:59 [EU] toneLive (Arc Dwa Mal Law) performed the invocation, on T:17950 02:00 [US] aosdict (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed the Master Assassin, on T:20880 02:00 [US] aosdict (Rog Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:20881 02:00 [US] eitwinston (Arc Dwa Mal Law) wished for "wand of death", on T:47526 02:02 [US] aosdict (Rog Orc Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a xorn, on T:20924 02:04 help now I'm stuck in a wall 02:06 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed corrodeproof ring of conflict", on T:43315 02:10 [US] IceBox (Rog Orc Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:50191 02:12 [EU] toneLive (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:18072 02:12 [US] [D]: shadowcat (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 3067 points, 2328 turns, killed by a water demon 02:12 [EU] toneLive (Arc Dwa Mal Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:18074 02:13 oops? 02:13 [US] Bartlem (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:36532 02:13 [US] Bartlem (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:36534 02:15 [US] eitwinston (Arc Dwa Mal Law) wished for "blessed partly eaten cockatrice corpse", on T:47825 02:17 -!- Noims has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:18 [US] eitwinston (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed Death, on T:47848 02:19 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:47172 02:20 Luxidream is a >GOD< 8^O 02:22 [US] eitwinston (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed Pestilence, on T:47913 02:25 [US] [D]: shadowcat (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 1249 points, 2424 turns, killed by a giant ant, while frozen by a monster's gaze 02:26 [US] eitwinston (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed Famine, on T:47971 02:29 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Baalzebub, on T:48478 02:30 hooray, random holy water 02:31 [US] [A]: eitwinston (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 2413362 points, 47998 turns, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/e/eitwinston/tnnt/dumplog/1542415991.tnnt.txt 02:32 [Ac] eitwinston just earned 6 new achievements. 02:34 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:49150 02:34 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:49151 02:34 [AU] [D]: Mishka (Bar-Orc-Mal-Cha), 4308 points, 5894 turns, killed by a dwarf lord 02:34 [US] [D]: shadowcat (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 1169 points, 2059 turns, killed by a straw golem 02:35 [Ac] Mishka just earned Back to Civilisation. 02:36 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:49408 02:36 -!- telegarn has joined #tnnt 02:36 [US] Karnac (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:8394 02:39 [US] Bartlem (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:37344 02:45 -!- BEHiker91W has joined #tnnt 02:47 [EU] toneLive (Arc Dwa Mal Cha) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:18982 02:48 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:50753 02:48 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:50760 02:48 [EU] toneLive (Arc Dwa Mal Cha) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:19071 02:48 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:50792 02:49 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:50908 02:49 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:50912 02:53 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Cha) bribed Asmodeus with 51 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:51695 02:53 [EU] toneLive (Arc Dwa Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:19344 02:53 [US] [D]: eitwinston (Cav-Dwa-Mal-Law), 339 points, 1392 turns, killed by a giant bat 02:55 [EU] toneLive (Arc Dwa Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:19396 02:57 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:52933 03:00 [US] Karnac (Val Dwa Mal Law) wished for "blessed rustproof +2 gauntlets of power", on T:9266 03:00 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Pestilence, on T:53227 03:01 [US] [A]: Luxidream (Sam-Hum-Fem-Cha), 670837 points, 53266 turns, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/tnnt/dumplog/1542752725.tnnt.txt 03:03 [US] [D]: Karnac (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 116394 points, 9335 turns, killed by an orange dragon (and one other game not reported) 03:04 [EU] toneLive (Arc Dwa Mal Cha) wished for "blessed ring of conflict", on T:20020 03:04 -!- scorchgeek_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:09 [US] [D]: Leggman (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 260 points, 1049 turns, killed by a small mimic 03:10 [US] [D]: Pryon (Val-Hum-Fem-Neu), 1351 points, 1736 turns, killed by a wand 03:15 [US] aosdict (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed Croesus, on T:23246 03:16 [EU] toneLive (Arc Dwa Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:20032 03:18 [US] oh6 (Pri Hum Fem Cha) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Poseidon, on T:43281 03:22 [EU] toneLive (Arc Dwa Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:20077 03:26 -!- Tmasher has joined #tnnt 03:30 [US] Karnac (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur, on T:2967 03:33 [US] aosdict (Rog Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 cloak of protection", on T:23499 03:33 By the power of Croesus and his throne! 03:38 [US] [D]: Pryon (Val-Hum-Fem-Neu), 1032 points, 1877 turns, killed by a gnome lord, while reading a book 03:40 [EU] toneLive (Arc Dwa Mal Cha) killed Famine, on T:20322 03:40 [US] eitwinston (Cav Dwa Mal Law) became literate by reading a book, on T:4007 03:44 [US] Karnac (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:4743 03:45 [US] telegarn (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3470 03:47 [EU] toneLive (Arc Dwa Mal Law) wished for "iron ball", on T:20344 03:48 [EU] [A]: toneLive (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 1020028 points, 20349 turns, ascended 03:48 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/t/toneLive/tnnt/dumplog/1541883300.tnnt.txt 03:49 [Ac] toneLive just earned 8 new achievements. 03:50 Did a new binary just get released? The HP/MP positions look nice in curses, but sometimes, the MP numbers disappear... 03:50 [EU] Muad (Pri Hum Fem Law) killed Yeenoghu, on T:29023 03:53 [US] eitwinston (Cav Dwa Mal Law) had Grayswandir bestowed upon him by Anu, on T:5076 03:55 [US] k2 (Pri Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:2757 04:00 [US] [D]: Glord (Bar-Orc-Mal-Cha), 0 points, 158 turns, killed by a guard 04:01 -!- Tmasher has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:06 -!- attie has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:09 [US] [D]: k2 (Pri-Hum-Mal-Neu), 5999 points, 4196 turns, killed by an owlbear 04:10 -!- attie has joined #tnnt 04:10 [Ac] k2 just earned Pygmalion. 04:15 -!- Muad has joined #tnnt 04:15 hmm, I so rarely fill oil lamps I didn't remember you have to turn it off first. 04:16 <@Tone> ah, a rare case of "NetHack is like real life" 04:19 :) 04:22 Kaboom? 04:23 You survived though? 04:24 -!- telegarn has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:27 oh yeah, I'm fireproof and pretty much ready to ascend 04:30 Wow, I have 98826 gold. Nearly there :D 04:32 ShivanHunter: I just read your dumplog from your extinctionist conduct run. That's pretty funny. Ascended wearing an Amulet of Strangulation... Kinky. 04:34 What do you want to eat? [arM or ?*] 04:35 I'm hungry, but not *that* hungry 04:35 eat lEG, a new way to escape punishment? 04:36 YANI: losing body parts 04:36 Or a bear trap 04:37 Rings of invisibility are gold in my game. Isn't that right, Nazgul? 04:37 if you lose both legs, you have a severe speed penalty unless riding or levitating 04:37 [US] eitwinston (Cav Dwa Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:7862 04:38 and also can't wear boots 04:38 <@Luxcalibur> autocannibalism is not the answer 04:40 [EU] Muad (Pri Hum Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:30032 04:48 <@Tone> What breaks ties (in points scored) on the TNNT player scoreboard? 04:49 <@Tone> Actually for clans too, while we're talking about it 😄 04:52 <@Tone> That's probably a question for Mandevil, I'd guess ^ 04:52 [EU] [D]: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 268112 points, 30008 turns, killed by a minotaur 04:53 [Ac] Kontroller just earned 21 new achievements. 04:54 [US] IceBox (Rog Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:50193 04:55 <@Tone> !lastgame 04:55 @Tone: [EU] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/K/Kontroller/tnnt/dumplog/1542442386.tnnt.txt | [US] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/tnnt/dumplog/1542748554.tnnt.txt | [AU] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/M/Mishka/tnnt/dumplog/1542521129.tnnt.txt 04:57 [US] Menche (Sam Hum Mal Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3262 04:58 [US] [D]: Menche (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 2222 points, 3285 turns, killed by a plains centaur 04:58 [Ac] Menche just earned It's The Pits. 04:59 [US] [D]: shadowcat (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 2369 points, 2382 turns, killed by a soldier ant 04:59 heh bouquet I ascended after self-polying and genociding '@' once 05:01 does that say "ascended while already on charon's boat"? ^_^" 05:01 <@Tone> Ascended, while already on Charon's boat 05:01 <@Tone> 😄 05:01 unfortunately nope lol 05:02 I was hoping for a "final attribute" thingy at least 05:02 feature request 05:02 but I guess once you turn into a demigod(dess), you are only half-dead 05:03 Castle treasury and gem storeroom? More like the room where they keep all the rocks left over from building the place. 05:03 <@Tone> lol very true some games 05:04 treasurer was corrupt, replaced piles of gems with rocks covered up by bits colored glass 05:04 attie: Exactly! 05:04 [US] eraserhead97 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:14673 05:06 [US] BEHiker91W (Mon Hum Mal Law) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3046 05:06 how do you ascend if you genocide @? 05:09 be polymorphed into a non-@ and #offer the amulet before you turn back 05:10 (an amulet of unchanging may help) 05:10 ^ 05:10 I was a mmf 05:10 (I should have just been a newt) 05:10 newt might be a bit risky from a HP perspective! 05:11 heh, have to make sure nothing's in the room before you try it 05:11 maybe make sure you get a triple "less hassled" as well to make sure 05:12 at the end of an extinctionist game, I guess astral could be quite empty 05:12 it kind of sounds like a fun challenge, I should try extinctionist sometime 05:12 <@Tone> Fill the place with acid blobs and you'd be safe 05:12 it's pretty boring tbh 05:13 well yeah 05:13 <@Tone> Just don't accidently bump one 😬 05:13 I spent a LOT of time in an acid-blob-filled Sokoban copying and pasting "create monster then 'F'ight in a direction 5 times" over and over 05:13 right, to replace pudding farming? 05:13 basically 05:13 -!- Grasshopper has joined #tnnt 05:14 I think it might suit me 05:14 and you got the ever-important grid bug meat, don't forget that 05:14 <@Tone> Well that's how you generate things to extinct them 05:14 I made an account dedicated to pudding farming once back in 343 cause I thought it was fun 05:14 manual farming too, no copy-paste 05:15 I wonder if, since this is really the next way to farm, whether the devteam will axe the farmable aspect of it in the future. (A move I would be totally behind.) 05:15 hmm 05:15 why would you, though 05:15 most of the loot I got was from monster inventories, not death drops 05:15 <@Tone> No death drops from magically created monsters? 05:15 <@Tone> That's not a bad idea 05:15 there should be some way to acquire resources if you really, really want to 05:15 so they'd have to find a way to nerf that for an extinctionist but not in normal gameplay 05:16 [US] [D]: Camwin (Arc-Gno-Mal-Neu), 930 points, 1895 turns, killed by a bat 05:16 <@Tone> No one really exploits it, but the summon nasties giant farm should probably be nerfed 05:16 it'd suck to be limited to what the dungeon gave you when it was first generated 05:16 attie: one of my design principles is don't let the player stall indefinitely while never advancing in the game. All forms of farming kind of fall under that. 05:17 well why not 05:18 if I decide to want to live in the dungeons of doom rather than be at the beck and call of some stupid god and his stupid lost bling, shouldn't that be my choice? 05:18 because if you can stall indefinitely, a byproduct of that tends to be arbitrary amounts of resources, which always eventually tends towards breaking the game 05:18 -!- greqrg has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:18 breaking it in the player's favor, that is 05:18 meaning, optimal gameplay will tend towards doing that 05:20 [US] aosdict (Rog Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +3 silver dagger", on T:24498 05:20 It's great to make grinding unnecessary, but why make it impossible? 05:21 because it encourages less skilled players to grind until they make their game winnable 05:22 a phenomenon that, with pudding farming, has turned people off of nethack entirely 05:22 [US] aosdict (Rog Orc Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:24500 05:23 extinctionism isn't really something that early characters can do though (unlike pudding farming which was much safer by comparison) 05:23 yeah I think you need a fair amount of skill to get to the point where you can farm, now 05:23 Not extinctionism, necessarily, but create monster farming. 05:23 at the very least you need the Eye of the AEtheioaieoiaghs, and a wiz with the Eye is going to be pretty ascendable in just a matter of time 05:24 yeah maybe 05:24 [US] Luxidream (Ran Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a werejackal, on T:3816 05:24 I mean, altar camping with wands of create monster is possible too 05:24 I've altar farmed with CM a few times but it doesn't really change the game much 05:24 ^ 05:25 Yes, but THAT is only possible indefinitely if you have the PYEC (and a bag of tricks instead of wands). 05:25 would it be a big improvement to tell players "well anhur didn't like you enough to give you MB on the first five sacrifices, so fuck you I guess"? 05:25 [US] BEHiker91W (Mon Hum Mal Law) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:3432 05:25 attie: I suppose I wouldn't be opposed to having farming in the game if it's harder to get your character to the point where they can farm than it is to win. (Similar to, uh, that ADOM challenge? DCSS?) 05:26 attie: I think a lot of players feel entitled to early artifacts because it's so random, actually. 05:27 The chance of an early artifact is nonzero once you hit XL3, so players will start getting annoyed even after the first few sacrifices... 05:29 so you think the playing field is too level, players should be screwed over by RNG in more ways than they currently are? 05:33 (random idea) artifact chances going up like altar conversion, but getting punished even harder for having existing artifacts? 05:33 going up with level* 05:33 or would you prefer a less random approach, say "you have to sacrifice corpses of overall value 10000, the your god says well done and gives you an artifact"? 05:35 I also like the idea of sort of "building up" sacrifice value over multiple sacs, and the idea of rewarding sacs that give good intrinsics you don't have yet 05:35 I would lean towards less random, and also think that artifacts should be given in response to prayers, not sacrifices. 05:35 like "OK dude I'm giving you a floating eye, you better appreciate this" 05:35 [EU] Muad (Pri Hum Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:31229 05:35 [EU] Muad (Pri Hum Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:31230 05:35 ShivanHunter: Good idea there, for most corpses it isn't an actual *sacrifice*, but if it's an important intrinsic you don't have... 05:36 also grid bug corpses should be worth MAXINT ;) 05:36 is there any point to carrying the Really Cool Shirt? 05:36 (i have a +5 Hawaiian) 05:36 Muad: it gives warning and acts as a luckstone! 05:36 yeah, I don't like getting rewarded as a non-poison-resistant character, getting rid of junk like kobolds that I was never gonna use anyway 05:36 attie: There's a good enough action to indicate that the hero specifically wants something from their god: if they pray with no current troubles. 05:36 attie, luckstone, huh? that would save a bit of weight.. 05:37 so more like crowning, but the artifact is random? 05:38 I kinda like that idea too 05:38 so saccing is just "input", that can raise your god's appreciation and possibly Luck but can't screw you over by randomly giving you Sting 05:39 maybe when you pray for a gift, it takes into account your sacrifice history to this point 05:39 if you sacrificed three coyotes, you get sting 05:39 [US] Luxidream (Ran Hum Mal Cha) had Sting bestowed upon him by Mars, on T:8735 05:39 if you sacrificed 10 crossaligned unicorns, you get grayswandir 05:39 lmao Luxidream 05:39 It's hard for a puny mortal to catch the ear of the god as to *what* exactly you want 05:39 also, if anything gets decided on, I think rnz() should be involved in some way. For the lulz 05:40 yeah, not 100% deterministic I guess, but weighted by how generous you were to your god beforehand 05:40 attie: Mmm... That would mean the game needs to decide on relative values of artifacts, which is probably best stayed away from. 05:41 Sacrifice history influencing what you get in general is an interesting idea though. 05:41 [US] BEHiker91W (Mon Hum Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:3960 05:41 like, sacrifice a lot of orcs, get sting? 05:41 if you sac trolls too much you get trollsbane? 05:42 I think the game could still have classes of artifacts 05:42 No, I mean influencing the quality of the prayer boon (under this system artifacts are a prayer boon) 05:42 ah so like it's less likely to get an artifact if you haven't sacrificed much? 05:44 what's wrong with considering average damage output as a rough artifact value? 05:44 yes, although of course we don't want to incentivize total sacfesting and altar farming. But that already exists as an incentive so... 05:45 altar camping is somewhat risky too, and it needs resources (food at minimum) 05:46 Yeah, this is all wrapped up in a bunch of other ideas I have regarding food. Ideally, I think I am aiming at a hunger clock that is finite but very loose, so: plentiful permafood, BUT corpses don't give you enough nutrition to live on them alone. 05:49 [US] Glord (Bar Orc Mal Cha) became literate by reading a book, on T:3415 05:49 [US] Luxidream (Ran Hum Mal Cha) was chosen to steal souls for the Glory of Mars, on T:14068 05:50 [US] [D]: Bugpowder (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 977 points, 2989 turns, killed by a gnome 05:51 [EU] [D]: Kontroller (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 1626 points, 3745 turns, killed by a killer bee 05:52 [US] Glord (Bar Orc Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a circular amulet on an altar, on T:3691 05:53 [US] [D]: bouquet (Rog-Orc-Fem-Cha), 4279 points, 4794 turns, killed by an owlbear, while praying 05:54 [Ac] bouquet just earned Pygmalion. 05:54 aosdict: I don't like carrying food, it's cumbersome. I'd rather subsist on corpses if no ring of slow digestion has appeared. 05:55 I think we should be able to use those scrolls of fire to cook our corpses. 05:55 and maybe season them with wolfsbane and potion of teriyaki sauce. 06:00 Current Day as of 2018-11-21 06:00 UTC: Games: 34, Asc: 3, Scum: 3. 225861 turns, 4535135 points. 2d 20:25 gametime. (45%Val), (48%Hum), (55%Law), (61%Fem), 9d 17:59 remaining. 06:00 I thought of a nethack delicacy the other day - cockatrice sashimi, dipped in acid sauce and garnished with fried lizard bits 06:00 served for the thrill, similarly to that one pufferfish 06:00 -!- eraserhead has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:01 [US] [D]: BEHiker91W (Mon-Hum-Mal-Law), 10504 points, 4328 turns, killed by a black unicorn 06:02 [Ac] BEHiker91W just earned Father Figure. 06:03 Three liches (two arch and one master) appeared sequentially upon entering a level, and yielded two athames 06:04 now you can dual-wield and engrave two elbereths simultaneously! 06:04 one of them in mirror script, for any dyslexic monsters 06:07 You engrave "htereble." Leopardo da vinci turns to flee! 06:07 [US] IceBox (Rog Orc Mal Cha) genocided class R, on T:51388 06:09 -!- funcrunch has joined #tnnt 06:14 [US] Luxidream (Ran Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:19777 06:17 !lastgame 06:17 BEHiker91W: [EU] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/K/Kontroller/tnnt/dumplog/1542778271.tnnt.txt | [US] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/B/BEHiker91W/tnnt/dumplog/1542780344.tnnt.txt | [AU] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/M/Mishka/tnnt/dumplog/1542521129.tnnt.txt 06:17 -!- raisse has joined #tnnt 06:21 [US] [Q]: BEHiker91W (Mon-Hum-Mal-Law), 2164 points, 1111 turns, quit (and 7 other games not reported) 06:25 [US] [D]: BEHiker91W (Mon-Hum-Mal-Law), 284 points, 459 turns, killed by a sewer rat, while frozen by a monster's gaze 06:27 -!- Xaleth has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.2] 06:29 [US] IceBox (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:51755 06:29 [US] IceBox (Rog Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:51763 06:31 [US] Luxidream (Ran Hum Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:22583 06:33 -!- funcrunch has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:33 [US] [D]: BEHiker91W (Mon-Hum-Mal-Law), 1899 points, 511 turns, killed by a land mine (and 8 other games not reported) 06:47 [US] Luxidream (Ran Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "2 cursed greased scrolls of genocide", on T:25645 06:55 [EU] Muad (Pri Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:32476 06:57 [EU] khamul (Bar Orc Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:10496 06:57 [EU] Raisse (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:6867 07:02 [EU] Muad (Pri Hum Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:32497 07:06 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #tnnt 07:07 [US] Luxidream (Ran Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased fireproof wand of polymorph", on T:28537 07:09 [US] Luxidream (Ran Hum Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:28702 07:12 [US] Luxidream (Ran Hum Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:28891 07:15 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Fem-Cha), 11698 points, 8233 turns, killed by a giant ant 07:17 [EU] khamul (Bar Orc Mal Cha) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Set, on T:11457 07:19 [AU] Tangles (Rog Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fireproof +5 speed boots", on T:25658 07:20 [AU] Tangles (Rog Hum Mal Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:25664 07:22 [AU] Tangles (Rog Hum Mal Cha) wished for "3 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:25670 07:23 [US] Luxidream (Ran Hum Mal Cha) wished for "2 blessed greased scrolls of charging", on T:29034 07:26 [US] Luxidream (Ran Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:29131 07:26 [AU] Tangles (Rog Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased rustproof +5 helm of brilliance", on T:25672 07:27 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Fem-Cha), 514 points, 1427 turns, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted sewer rat 07:31 [US] eerr (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur, on T:1569 07:32 -!- eraserhead has joined #tnnt 07:32 [US] eraserhead97 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed greased fixed +3 silver dragon scale mail", on T:18808 07:35 [US] [D]: TreehouseGuru59 (Val-Hum-Fem-Neu), 933 points, 2317 turns, killed by a giant bat 07:36 [Ac] TreehouseGuru59 just earned Dungeon Economics and Never Saw It Coming. 07:36 @tone Ties are broken by who gets there first. 07:37 [EU] Muad (Pri Hum Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:32660 07:38 -!- funcrunch has joined #tnnt 07:39 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Fem-Cha), 1239 points, 2393 turns, killed by a boulder 07:40 [US] [D]: Bard (Mon-Hum-Mal-Neu), 6871 points, 6272 turns, killed by a soldier (and one other game not reported) 07:40 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Fem-Cha), 8 points, 287 turns, killed by a sewer rat 07:40 [Ac] Bard just earned A Little Light Larceny, Pet Whisperer, and Absolute Monarchy. 07:50 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Fem-Cha), 807 points, 3380 turns, killed by a dwarf 07:57 [EU] Muad (Pri Hum Fem Law) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:33090 07:57 [EU] Muad (Pri Hum Fem Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:33092 08:00 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Fem-Cha), 1118 points, 1621 turns, killed by a dwarf 08:00 -!- rebatela has joined #tnnt 08:01 [US] winny (Mon Hum Mal Law) had Sunsword bestowed upon him by Shan Lai Ching, on T:3004 08:02 [AU] [D]: Mishka (Bar-Orc-Fem-Cha), 2224 points, 3620 turns, killed by a dog 08:03 !rng MKoT SpeedBoots 08:03 Croesus doesn't know that 08:03 you'll have to ask Beholder or Rodney 08:03 [US] funcrunch (Pri Hum Fem Cha) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:35693 08:03 -!- rebatela has quit [Read error: No route to host] 08:03 hehe - I just checked in #NetHack - got SpeedBoots 08:05 [US] eraserhead97 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased fireproof +3 boots of speed", on T:18924 08:05 [US] winny (Mon Hum Mal Law) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3020 08:07 so we found an interesting bug yesterday? if you call an item, and then wish for the name, there is a chance that you will get the called item, not the actual item 08:08 so if you call your wand of invisibility 'cancellation' (wand called cancellation), and you wish for "wand of cancellation", you might get wand of invisibility 08:08 [US] [D]: winny (Mon-Hum-Mal-Law), 3096 points, 3128 turns, killed by a gnome lord, while praying 08:08 -!- eerr has joined #tnnt 08:08 oh, that's bad 08:09 yay, coaligned minetown 08:09 i think aosdict tried it yesterday and got 1 wand of invis out of 3 wishes or so 08:09 I'm level 08:09 stennowork: what if I called my wand of wishing 'cancellation' and wish for "wand of cancellation"? 08:09 [Ac] winny just earned What It Was Made For, Go Forth and Smite, and Curse the Darkness. 08:09 I'm leve 7 in sokoban and I just encountered an arch-lich 08:09 you'll never get a wand of wishing from a wish 08:09 eraserhead, i asked him about that, he went source diving but never re-appeared to the surface 08:09 hehehe ^^ 08:09 What do I do? 08:10 eerr, drop a scroll of scare monster maybe 08:10 it will most likely be a chameleon so it should transform into something more harmless in a few turns 08:10 lol, this hardware store has only towels and blindfolds (2 towels, 4 blindfolds 08:10 eerr: you evade for a few rounds - prolly a shapeshifter that'll turn into something else in a few rounds 08:10 ) 08:10 fortunately I need a blindfold 08:10 [EU] khamul (Bar Orc Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:15758 08:10 raisse: sounds it opened next door to a Turkish Bath or something... 08:11 I'm gonna zap my wand of slow monster and run away 08:11 very kinky turkish bath if they have all those blindfolds! 08:11 do arch-liches have magic resistance? 08:11 yes 08:11 perhaps it's a hotel so they have sleep masks 08:11 like, 90 08:12 MR90 08:12 I just used my expensive camera on it! BINGO 08:12 nice! 08:12 #notatourist 08:13 gawd I love /oTeleportation - one of the best escape devices (especially when surrounded by @'s) 08:14 I've nevered tried /oDigging - if I zap > - I'll fall down to the next level? (quicky?) 08:14 quickly? 08:14 yes 08:14 instantly 08:14 (unless the floor is undiggable) 08:14 nice - that could be a good one, too... 08:14 My cat turned in to a forest centaur for my trouble. 08:14 follower monsters will come with you, of course 08:14 eraserhead, but consider there are followers 08:14 yeah that 08:15