00:00 DAILY STATS AT 2018-11-14 00:00 UTC: Games: 244, Asc: 6, Scum: 11. 1020759 turns, 14229170 points. 14d 21:38 gametime. (35%Arc), (43%Hum), (52%Law), (77%Fem), 16d 23:59 remaining. 00:00 -!- Bugpowder has joined #tnnt 00:01 [EU] [D]: gargor (Wiz-Hum-Fem-Cha), 332 points, 1038 turns, killed by a hobbit 00:01 [US] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) genocided class ;, on T:55244 00:01 [EU] tacco (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:35361 00:02 weird, I got the Reincarnation Cancelled achievement without actually tinning any trolls. haven't seen a single tinning kit in this tournament 00:02 maybe I ate a pre-made tin of troll meat 00:04 [EU] tacco (Hea Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:35373 00:04 [US] murphyslaw (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:1511 00:09 [US] [D]: eerr (Kni-Hum-Fem-Law), 2706 points, 4694 turns, killed by Ms. Inuvik; the shopkeeper, while sleeping off a magical draught 00:10 [EU] [D]: gargor (Wiz-Hum-Fem-Cha), 82 points, 458 turns, killed by a small mimic 00:11 [EU] tacco (Hea Gno Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:35641 00:11 <@ShivanHunter> Welp it would appear freenode's webchat had an aneurysm 00:13 [US] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed partly eaten chickatrice corpse", on T:55332 00:13 [US] [D]: Kame (Rog-Hum-Fem-Cha), 314 points, 842 turns, killed by a bat 00:14 -!- Tmasher has joined #tnnt 00:14 [US] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Famine, on T:55344 00:15 [US] [A]: rebatela (Mon-Hum-Mal-Neu), 2065958 points, 55367 turns, ascended (and 6 others) https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rebatela/tnnt/dumplog/1541941193.tnnt.txt 00:15 [Ac] rebatela just earned Dragon Rider, Are You Still Pudding Farming, and Yeenoghu-Slayer. 00:15 [US] [D]: Kame (Rog-Hum-Fem-Cha), 209 points, 475 turns, killed by a goblin (and 1 others) 00:18 [US] [D]: Kame (Rog-Hum-Fem-Cha), 289 points, 775 turns, killed by a large kobold 00:19 -!- funcrunch has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:19 [EU] gargor (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:1556 00:20 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Quit: Bugpowder] 00:21 -!- Bugpowder has joined #tnnt 00:21 [EU] [D]: gargor (Wiz-Hum-Fem-Cha), 1074 points, 1701 turns, killed by a gnome, while sleeping 00:22 [Ac] gargor just earned Go Forth and Smite and Neutralized. 00:28 [EU] noims (Bar Orc Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:13157 00:30 [US] Luxidream (Cav Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:46764 00:30 [US] Luxidream (Cav Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:46764 00:32 [US] [D]: toneLive (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 0 points, 1774 turns, killed by a system shock (and 38 others) 00:34 !tell funcrunch Did you lock up a troll corpse in a box? That also gives the achievement. 00:34 Will do, aosdict! 00:36 [US] Luxidream (Cav Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:48162 00:36 -!- Araganor has joined #tnnt 00:36 -!- Araganor has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:38 [EU] [D]: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 86384 points, 20287 turns, choked on a white dragon corpse 00:38 [US] Luxidream (Cav Hum Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:48696 00:38 [US] Luxidream (Cav Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:48697 00:39 [EU] tacco (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:35985 00:39 [Ac] Kontroller just earned 16 new achievements. 00:39 [EU] tacco (Hea Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:35987 00:41 [US] [D]: quervo (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 4167 points, 2922 turns, killed by a vampire bat 00:41 [US] IceBox (Hea Hum Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping an effervescent potion on an altar, on T:3022 00:41 [US] Luxidream (Cav Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:48962 00:41 [Ac] quervo just earned Pot of Greed, You Are What You Eat, and Never Saw It Coming. 00:42 [US] Luxidream (Cav Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:49016 00:42 [US] Luxidream (Cav Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:49020 00:43 [US] Luxidream (Cav Hum Fem Law) killed Famine, on T:49036 00:43 [US] Luxidream (Cav Hum Fem Law) killed Famine, on T:49059 00:43 [EU] tacco (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:36104 00:43 [US] [A]: Luxidream (Cav-Hum-Fem-Law), 1955216 points, 49067 turns, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/tnnt/dumplog/1542135315.tnnt.txt 00:45 [EU] inari (Arc Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Minion of Huhetotl, on T:33054 00:45 [EU] noims (Bar Orc Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:14648 00:45 [EU] inari (Arc Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:33056 00:46 wow, that guy hits hard.. 00:47 [US] [D]: iyarkonan (Arc-Dwa-Fem-Law), 4124 points, 6778 turns, killed by a crocodile 00:47 [US] Kame (Mon Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:4172 00:47 [Ac] iyarkonan just earned Prize Inside! and Spam, Spam, Spam. 00:48 [EU] tacco (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:36346 00:50 <@Tone> 'grats @luxidream 😄 00:50 [US] Bugpowder (Ran Elf Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:10302 00:53 [EU] [D]: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 668 points, 1800 turns, killed by a rothe 00:53 -!- BEHiker91W has joined #tnnt 00:57 [EU] tacco (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:36790 01:00 Hourly Stats at 2018-11-14 01:00 UTC: Games: 172, Asc: 2, Scum: 152. 151140 turns, 4121624 points. (50%Wiz), 16d 22:59 remaining. 01:01 -!- Cassieopeia has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:03 -!- ninetale has joined #tnnt 01:03 greetings! 01:04 !time 01:04 ninetale: 2018-11-14 01:04:00 UTC. 2018 Tournament closes in 16d 22:56:00 01:04 !? 01:04 !help 01:04 ninetale: https://www.hardfought.org/nethack 01:04 [US] Kame (Mon Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:5609 01:07 I think the player could know the gray stone by that message either a luckstone or just a flintstone. 01:07 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Quit: Bugpowder] 01:07 [US] Delraven (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Ixoth, on T:20723 01:07 <@ShivanHunter> yep, I've used it 01:08 <@ShivanHunter> kinda cheaty but whatevs 01:08 [US] Delraven (Kni Hum Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:20724 01:08 -!- jonadab has joined #tnnt 01:08 isnt it a cheating? .. 01:08 The rules page explicitly mentions it as allowed 01:08 ^^ this 01:08 okay I see 01:08 I would have never thought of doing it until the page mentioned it 01:09 Then again, I usually die on Sokoban before going to the Mines 01:09 that is intended contents then 01:10 content 01:10 what roles do you play tmasher? Maybe dip into the Mines first and get your AC down, then do Soko? 01:10 [EU] tacco (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:37438 01:10 I've only really been successful as Valks 01:10 If I play a squishy role, I usually get overwhelmed in the Mines and die 01:11 I recently got to Mine's End as a Barb, but got killed by a barbed devil 01:11 [US] toneLive has 100 consecutive games less than 100 turns. 01:11 I try to play Tourist, because it's fun. But sometimes I die. 01:11 Ok, often I die. 01:11 Tourist early game is hard 01:12 .. as some easy conducts. 01:12 I think it's only medium-hard. Much harder than Valk, sure; but much easier than e.g. Arc or Hea 01:13 Or Wiz 01:13 (Unless you play a variant that rebalances Pw regen.) 01:13 blessed PYEC later on is pretty badass 01:13 easier than arc? I dont think so. 01:13 Tou is way easier than Arc 01:13 Tou start with +2 darts 01:14 and a camera 01:14 And can get expert in Dagger 01:14 So as long as you find some daggers before running out of darts, your avoid-getting-my-squishy-2hp-character-into-melee options are much better than Arc's. 01:14 but an arc can use mattock! 01:15 (You can of course also use your pet; but all roles can do that.) 01:15 mattocks are brilliant until you’re gifted an artifact 01:15 ninetale: only if you first use your pick-axe enough to get your skill up. It's hard to hit with a mattock at basic. 01:15 Due to the -4 penalty. 01:15 well, you need to discard the whip right away.. 01:15 yeah I used to do that 01:15 Tou have a fairly good variety of decent weapon options. 01:16 Yes, the whip is useless. 01:16 except for disaming dwarves with said mattocks.. 01:16 I mean, sure, you don't _start_ with a good weapon as a Tourist. I did say it's harder than Valkyrie. 01:16 silver saber will do the last work in the late games 01:16 Saber is good for most roles. 01:16 Including Tourist, also Arc. 01:17 noooo whip+pet can kill the watch captain 01:17 Scimitar is surprisingly non-horrible in the early game. 01:17 And fairly easy to find. 01:17 pet can kill the watch captain by itself. 01:17 are scimitars the «curved swords»? 01:17 Assuming your pet is something real, not like a dog. 01:17 realinari: the ones orcs carry, yes. 01:18 Scimitars are curved swords if unidentified Realinari 01:18 They're not as good base stats as longsword, but not much is. 01:18 yeap 01:18 [US] Menche (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:13207 01:21 [US] toneLive has 100 consecutive games less than 100 turns. 01:25 <@luxidream> !who 01:25 @luxidream: [EU] inari noims tacco | [US] Kame IceBox eitwinston Delraven jmcunx toneLive Tmasher lapis Menche | [AU] No current players 01:27 [US] toneLive has 200 consecutive games less than 100 turns. 01:27 startscum shaming? 01:27 lol 01:30 It's better than having the bot report each and every one of those deaths. 01:31 [US] IceBox (Hea Hum Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Hermes, on T:3198 01:32 [EU] tacco (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:38134 01:32 [US] [D]: lapis (Wiz-Hum-Fem-Cha), 2360 points, 2924 turns, killed by a white unicorn 01:33 [Ac] lapis just earned 5 new achievements. 01:33 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:37 [EU] tacco (Hea Gno Fem Neu) entered the Planes, on T:38191 01:37 [EU] tacco (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:38192 01:37 -!- rebatela has joined #tnnt 01:37 <@luxidream> !whereis Glord 01:37 @luxidream: [US] Glord : (Kni Hum Mal Law) T:95 The Dungeons of Doom level: 1 01:38 -!- lunatunez has joined #tnnt 01:39 [US] toneLive (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed figurine of an archon", on T:2 01:41 <@ShivanHunter> wut 01:41 [US] IceBox (Hea Hum Fem Neu) became literate by engraving "test", on T:3855 01:41 <@ShivanHunter> @Tone wut 01:42 <@rikersan> may have startscummed for blessed smoky potions on gnome wiz 01:42 <@rikersan> to get the wish there 01:42 <@ShivanHunter> ahhhhhhhhh 01:43 <@rikersan> probably going for the respectably sized impossible (all conducts when you #chat to quest leader) 01:43 <@ShivanHunter> oh yeah I lookd at a couple dumplogs after I saw the scum thingy from Croesus, he was quaffing pots 01:43 <@ShivanHunter> nah, wishless 01:43 <@rikersan> oh true 01:43 <@rikersan> ... I hope he realizees that 01:43 <@ShivanHunter> probably pacifict and/or speedrun 01:43 <@rikersan> but yeah that list of conducts includes pacifist and foodless so 01:43 <@ShivanHunter> he's not blind either, the respectably sized impossible basically requires arc DfV to Quest 01:43 <@rikersan> it doesn't require zen does it? 01:44 <@ShivanHunter> think so 01:44 <@Tone> I'm not doing the respectably sized impossible 01:44 <@Tone> And yes that requires zen 01:45 <@rikersan> oh cool 01:45 [EU] noims (Bar Orc Mal Cha) had Grimtooth bestowed upon him by Set, on T:20536 01:45 <@Tone> I might give paci a shot 01:45 -!- ninetale has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:45 [US] lunatunez (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:18434 01:45 <@rikersan> zen in this is permablind? or do you just need a starting blindfold 01:45 [US] Kame (Mon Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed fixed greased platinum yendorian express card", on T:10690 01:45 <@ShivanHunter> it's permablind, yes 01:46 permablind, as per 3.6.0 01:46 <@ShivanHunter> you can break the conduct if you get the Eyes of the Overworld 01:46 [US] Kame (Mon Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased bag of holding", on T:10693 01:46 [US] [D]: lapis (Wiz-Hum-Fem-Cha), 823 points, 1248 turns, killed by a dwarf 01:46 <@ShivanHunter> and nudist, which starts you with no armor and breaks if you put any on 01:46 <@luxidream> There have been a few zen wins so far 01:46 <@luxidream> seems popular 01:47 <@rikersan> I think it's bugged though 01:47 <@rikersan> someobdy was saying that it sometimes gave you info you shouldn't have gotten (such as changes on distant piles of items) 01:48 <@luxidream> probably a bug with blindness in general? 01:48 <@ShivanHunter> there's a few terminal update related bugs in 3.6 I've noticed 01:48 <@ShivanHunter> even when nonblind 01:48 !rng Monk Rogue 01:48 <@rikersan> I believe this was just zen in this tournament (not blind, just zen) 01:49 <@rikersan> <@Beholder> Monk 01:49 <@rikersan> I'm beholder now 01:49 <@ShivanHunter> lol 01:49 <@luxidream> zen just gives you permanent blind intrinsic 01:49 <@rikersan> 4:25 PM] BOTIRCBot: <@hypnotist> it wouldn't surprise me if it were zen specific, i found a half dozen zen bugs this game 01:50 <@rikersan> .s/^/[ 01:50 -!- Noims has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:50 [US] Glord (Kni Hum Mal Law) made his first wish - "blessed figurine of an archon", on T:1146 01:51 I really hope nooodle actually reports those zen bugs 01:51 <@rikersan> yea lol 01:51 <@luxidream> not sure how unique bugs would come up in permablind 01:51 <@rikersan> I know from experience with weird visual bugs that it can be very hard to repro though 01:52 it’s a 10% chance of that being angry, right? 01:52 <@luxidream> rather than just regular blindness 01:52 <@rikersan> luxidream: the code may treat permablind weird with regards to things that should "cure" blindness, so if say he quaffs extra healing it may be buggy? idk 01:52 [EU] tacco (Hea Gno Fem Neu) genocided class ;, on T:38377 01:52 <@rikersan> it may also have blind vs permablind be 2 distinct flags and only check for blind in some places 01:52 <@rikersan> neither of which would surprise me to be honest 01:53 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #tnnt 01:54 <@ShivanHunter> realinari: yep 01:55 <@ShivanHunter> there may also be bugs that only get noticed when permablind, since blindness normally just lasts a hundred rounds max and you're usually just waiting it out 01:55 <@rikersan> that's true 01:55 [EU] tacco (Hea Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed wand of death", on T:38387 01:55 <@rikersan> I believe nooodle mentioned that as well 01:56 <@rikersan> [4:37 PM] BOTIRCBot: <@hypnotist> that might not be a zen bug, might just be an all-nethack bug 01:56 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:57 what shivanhunter said 01:58 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:58 generally a temporary blind player won't be casting detect treasure and noticing object piles change 01:58 <@rikersan> I should try a zen dnh drow 01:58 <@rikersan> aka basically a normal dnh drow 01:59 [US] Kame (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:11817 02:00 [US] lunatunez (Val Hum Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:18850 02:05 [US] [D]: lapis (Wiz-Hum-Fem-Cha), 329 points, 1448 turns, killed by a jackal, while frozen by a monster's gaze 02:05 [US] zoya (Kni Hum Mal Law) polymorphed his first object, on T:48697 02:05 [EU] tacco (Hea Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed ring of conflict", on T:38474 02:08 [US] [D]: jmcunx (Bar-Orc-Fem-Cha), 3739 points, 7484 turns, poisoned by a rotted killer bee corpse 02:09 [Ac] jmcunx just earned Who's That Pretty Girl in the Mirror, There?. 02:09 [US] Webmant (Mon Hum Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:9596 02:10 [EU] tacco (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed Famine, on T:38489 02:10 -!- shadowcat has joined #tnnt 02:12 [US] eitwinston (Pri Elf Fem Cha) was chosen to steal souls for the Glory of Susanowo, on T:38916 02:16 [US] [D]: shadowcat (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 2556 points, 3475 turns, killed by a soldier ant 02:17 "Moving the altar would be a very bad idea." 02:18 <@ShivanHunter> heh 02:23 [US] Kame (Mon Hum Fem Neu) wished for "2 scrolls of enchant armor", on T:12914 02:24 [US] Kame (Mon Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased +2 helm of brilliance", on T:12921 02:25 [EU] [A]: tacco (Hea-Gno-Fem-Cha), 1027864 points, 38583 turns, ascended 02:25 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/t/tacco/tnnt/dumplog/1541644057.tnnt.txt 02:25 [US] Kame (Mon Hum Fem Neu) wished for "magic marker", on T:12926 02:25 <@rikersan> grats taco 02:25 thanks 02:25 [US] hypnotist (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:33241 02:26 [Ac] tacco just earned 48 new achievements. 02:26 [R] Clan unfoog moves to ranking position 7! 02:27 [US] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law) received Excalibur, on T:1968 02:27 -!- remirol is now known as lorimer 02:29 congrats tacco 02:29 [US] Kame (Mon Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed eye of the aethiopica", on T:12956 02:30 cheers 02:30 [US] [D]: Glord (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 6635 points, 3230 turns, killed by a cobra 02:31 [Ac] Glord just earned Furry Little Problem. 02:31 [US] IceBox (Hea Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:8788 02:32 [US] lunatunez (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:20066 02:35 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 02:37 [US] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a purple worm, on T:3100 02:42 [US] [D]: toneLive (Wiz-Gno-Mal-Neu), 159 points, 1177 turns, killed by a gas spore's explosion (and 61 others) 02:42 [US] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed fixed rustproof +3 gauntlets of power", on T:3582 02:46 [US] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:3944 02:58 [US] hypnotist (Mon Hum Mal Neu) became Chih Sung-tzu's Envoy of Balance, on T:34987 02:59 whoops 02:59 omg. is the really cool T-shirt a luckstone?? 02:59 it should have been impossible for me to be crowned 03:00 this is a foodless game so if the T-shirt is a luckstone, I just got shafted 03:03 -!- scorchgeek has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:05 [US] shadowcat (Val Hum Fem Law) performed her first genocide (master mind flayer), on T:7181 03:08 ok i'm geniunely confused about / doubtful about this from a tournament design decision, especially with so many trophies involving getting to the end of the mines 03:08 Nooodle: Just tested and yes, the really cool shirt is in fact a luckstone 03:08 why have another luckstone 03:09 i mean, besides that i'm mad i didn't know that and got accidentally crowned, which in a foodless game is a major issue. I just didn't think the T-shirt could be a luckstone because that would make no sense :p 03:10 -!- realinari has quit [Quit: realinari] 03:11 -!- realinari has joined #tnnt 03:11 tshirt is a luckstone?? 03:11 nooodle why shouldnt it be lucky 03:11 yes it acts as a luckstone 03:12 i only realized it behaves as a fortune cookie when you read it 03:12 because from a game design standpoint it makes no sense to have another easily-acquired guaranteed luckstone 03:12 that's also an armor, like, it makes it so there's no need to ever get an actual luckstone 03:12 and blessed, i assume it gives all ttue rumors 03:12 its not exactly easy to get 03:12 K2: what isnat? 03:12 *isn’t 03:12 the shirt 03:13 the really cool T-shirt is super easy to get, it requires only 3 scrolls that are easily found, in a branch you need to explore anyway 03:13 and not everyone cares for the mines 03:13 lol, i’ve found all my scrolls above level 6 03:13 well folks what can I say? welcome to the 1st ever run through of the tournament 03:13 i like the tournament <3 03:14 it’s a really cool shirt though.. 03:14 The next tournament will keep all the current stuff, right? 03:14 if you come across something you think isnt right, then *provide a solution along with your critique* 03:14 me too, that was not critizism 03:14 or however you type that.. criticicm 03:15 critizicm 03:15 yeah i mis-spell it often 03:15 zriticism 03:15 juhrgiuehg 03:15 ^ that 03:15 my suggestion would be to remove the luck effect from the shirt; since in nethack, even just having a guaranteed shirt *at all* is a good thing, even if it has no other effects, since it's an extra AC slot 03:15 PavelB I would imagine so, yeah 03:15 especially for, say, monk 03:15 no juhrgiuehg what so ever.. 03:16 nooodle when making an artifact prize for the devteam level, we didnt want to make something too over the top, but be useful at the same time. this iteration was our current solution and i believe its solid 03:16 use more tweaks? sure 03:16 but i think it has value in its current form 03:17 [US] [D]: IceBox (Hea-Hum-Fem-Neu), 37493 points, 10825 turns, killed by an energy vortex 03:17 K2: of course, it is absolutely the best shirt in the game 03:17 and everyone needs a shirt 03:17 i think even just having a guaranteed shirt, even if it had no other effects, would be major 03:17 in fact when I first got it, I thought "sweet, guaranteed shirt" 03:17 i voted for it being fooproofed and enchanted but was overruled :P 03:18 i didn’t know about the luckstone part, and i found it brilliant only with the rumors.. 03:18 it's solid... but ya, my vote would be remove the luck effect and possibly also remove warning. I don't know about the rumor effect, I haven't figured that out (maybe because the first game where I got it I was permablind) 03:19 whaaaat? 03:19 it gives warning? 03:19 it gives warning *when carried* 03:19 i thought that was my role 03:19 you might also be getting it from your role and other sources 03:20 arc 03:20 <@luxidream> !ping 03:20 @luxidream: Pong! 03:20 but, you don't even need to wear it for that effect, which is also major. Other sources of carryable warning have a drawback that they weigh a lot 03:20 [US] [Q]: Xaleth (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 20044 points, 9777 turns, quit 03:20 That would leave it as just a T-shirt that eats up the number of generated artifacts counter and can be read for rumors which you can read all of out of game anyway. 03:20 [Ac] Xaleth just earned Who Was That David Person Anyway?. 03:20 wait wait omg 03:20 i didn't know it ate up the generated artifacts counter 03:21 it's an artifact 03:21 wow ok. I'm getting schooled now 03:21 it gets generated 03:21 i didn't realize it was an artifact against the generated count 03:21 aosdict: i don’t read that stuff out of game, all my spoilers come from you guys 03:21 <@luxidream> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa 03:21 ant attack? 03:21 and i’m saving money not having to talk with the oracle 03:21 ;) 03:21 ok, hold on, now i have to change my mind 03:21 i may never get the shirt again 03:22 i didn't realize the HUGE drawback that it counts against your artifact count 03:22 FWIW we didn't add any major oracleisms. 03:22 Where is this devteam level? 03:22 aosdict: it’s not the same? 03:22 not every game requires wishing for artifacts ya know 03:22 <@luxidream> @mtf 03:22 fortune cookies and the oracle? 03:23 <@mtf> 😦 03:23 <@luxidream> your bot got another yasd 03:23 i wish for artifacts for every role except rogue, they are insanely powerful 03:23 unless pursuing a conduct 03:23 <@luxidream> not much we can do about it I guess 03:23 <@luxidream> time to head to IRC 03:23 well good thing is, the devteam quest is purely optional 03:24 <@mtf> rebooting again... but I'll need to look into this more, it's happening too often 03:24 Artifacts are insanely powerful? Not if you're chaotic. (Includes Rogues, I guess) 03:24 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:24 i have one word for powerful chaotic artifacts 03:24 DIRGE 03:24 if you're chaotic but non-rogue, then wishing for the key is a no-brainer. As in, there's virtually no reason not to, and it's incredibly powerful to do so 03:24 \o/ 03:25 Is that a nickname for Grimtooth? 03:25 that's setting aside the value of converting to neutral and then wishing for the eye 03:25 It's the Rogue's quest artifact, the Master Key of Thievery BEHiker91W 03:25 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 03:25 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 03:26 I don't think Grimtooth is good enough for a wish 03:27 ok -- i retract my criticism of the really cool T-shirt. 03:27 Read scrolls and talked to Izchak, went on the quest, visited Gehennom, but no hints on the devteam level yet... 03:27 [US] eitwinston (Pri Elf Fem Cha) averted death, on T:44348 03:27 BEHiker91W : have you visited the Rogue level yet -- the 9-room black and white level with the ghosts of the Rogue devs? 03:28 BEHiker91W dirge is a somewhat powerful chaotic sword in sporkhack 03:29 -!- funcrunch has joined #tnnt 03:29 the anti-excalibur 03:29 Yes, I've been through the Rogue level twice. 03:29 But I can search it more... 03:30 if you're playing in the TNNT, there should be three stairs on the rogue level 03:30 [US] [D]: Karnac (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 1192 points, 2053 turns, killed by a jackal, while fainted from lack of food 03:30 <@luxidream> DIRGE 03:31 \o/ 03:32 ok i gotta get to bed, been running on 2-3 hrs of sleep a night for past week. bleh 03:32 gnite all 03:33 reading back.. definitely should have made the shirt enchanted! 03:34 the tshirt is a luckstone?? 03:34 wtf lol 03:34 so the reason I didn't think of it increasing the artifact count is that other artifacts are generated when you enter a level, and I didn't think they would add a level that automatically generated a new artifact when you enter it 03:35 <@Tone> I like the T Shirt fwiw 03:35 when you wish for an artifact, of course, you know what you're doing 03:35 [US] eitwinston (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:44971 03:35 wait, what counts as an artifact? 03:35 it seems that when you turn in the 3 scrolls, at that moment it creates a new artifact in your game, the T-shirt, and increases the count of artifacts generated 03:35 UGH 03:36 THAT'S why I blew 4 wishes trying to get the eye when I thought there were only 2 artifacts created 03:36 I knew it didn't make sense 03:36 right, you thought you had a 2/3 shot 03:36 i did something similar last game with the PYEC 03:36 exactly 03:37 <@luxiDIRGE> well, we can't have the player polymorphing into a nymph and stealing it from mike stephenson 03:38 maybe i would have it so that when you get the shirt, it makes it clear that it is summoned to you as if via a wish 03:38 if you don't get the shirt at all, but visit the level, does it increase the counter? 03:38 i'm not sure 03:38 what is the benefit of the shirt again? I got it in my second ascension just for the achievement but I already had a shirt and didn't see any difference when I wore it 03:38 funcrunch: Message from aosdict at 2018-11-14 00:34 UTC: Did you lock up a troll corpse in a box? That also gives the achievement. 03:39 <@Tone> That depends if the shirt exists 03:39 i assumed no, because i thought it would be too cruel to have a level that increases the artifact count when you enter it :) 03:39 <@Tone> Which I'm not sure of 03:39 <@Tone> That happens on your quest level 03:39 <@luxiDIRGE> I killed mike stephenson he doesn't have it 03:39 <@Tone> As well as levels with random artifacts 03:39 Tone, yes, but only on the last level, and that's at least something people know well about nethack 03:39 they tell you you are seeking an artifact when you begin the quest 03:40 <@Tone> but now that people know the shirt, it doesn't seem like a problem 03:40 <@Tone> you can decide to go there after arti wishing 03:40 man... I knew it didn't make sense my wishes were denied. I thought maybe i had missed bones or an A with a sunsword or something 03:40 randomly getting Trollsbane lying on the ground on level 17 is like having the rng spit in my face lol 03:40 <@Tone> it's worse when you don't see it :/ 03:40 yep. or Sting from bones... 03:41 or KNOW that the unenchanted T-shirt is a luckstone and artifact lol 03:41 it's a luckstone? that would explain why I didn't notice any difference I guess 03:42 ok, but seriously though, i'm willing to admit that i probably should have realized i was generating an artifact, and it was only a vanilla-induced blindspot that i didn't 03:42 it's a luckstone and it conveys warning when carried 03:42 [US] [D]: lapis (Wiz-Hum-Fem-Cha), 8019 points, 7008 turns, killed by a dwarf king 03:42 as a priest I already had warning, and I had the luckstone from mine's end already too 03:42 [Ac] lapis just earned Shafted, Absolute Monarchy, Best Friends Forever, and Playerbanebane. 03:42 but at least I got the achievement, and it was a fun level 03:42 funcrunch: it gives rumors when read 03:42 yeah.. i dunno. I never would have realized in a million years if I didn't read on here 03:42 ah cool 03:43