00:00 DAILY STATS AT 2018-10-29 00:00 UTC: Games: 96, Asc: 6, Scum: 56. 501438 turns, 14458211 points. 5d 21:35 gametime. (60%Wiz), (48%Elf), (58%Cha), (60%Mal), 2d 23:59 to go! 00:00 [Tr] Luna now has Never Scum a Game! 00:22 -!- stenno\ootc has joined #tnnt 00:27 -!- stenno\ootc has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:29 -!- aosdict is now known as aosdict_ 00:29 -!- aosdict has joined #tnnt 00:29 -!- mode/#tnnt [+o aosdict] by ChanServ 00:30 @boo-tf ok thanks... what the hell was that all about anyways? 00:30 @spookidream it will be yeah 00:30 <@boo-tf> just being an asshole it seems 00:30 couple extra achievements i think 00:31 <@boo-tf> I think he's mad that the burdened status didn't display on screen 00:31 [EU] jt (Arc Dwa Mal Law) had Demonbane bestowed upon him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:5734 00:31 <@reapersan> yeah that's really one of the only things slex does right 00:31 welp. i dont tolerate that behavior 00:31 that and he blames the reset/time crunch for not being able to prepare 00:31 <@reapersan> it abbreviates statuses if they don't fit 00:31 <@reapersan> k2: what'd he do? 00:31 scroll back a bit 00:31 <@boo-tf> us either 00:32 <@boo-tf> so just wanted to let you know 😛 00:32 <@reapersan> k2: lke I konw he died 00:32 -!- aosdict_ has quit [Quit: connection issues resolved woo] 00:32 <@reapersan> what exactly did he do after? just rage? 00:32 <@reapersan> i'm not seeing any msgs from him at least 00:32 <@boo-tf> @reapersan he basically named what he died to a bunch of racial slurs 00:33 called the admins a bunch of slurs in a death message 00:33 <@boo-tf> I deleted it on our side 00:33 <@reapersan> oh I just realized mtf nuked it 00:33 <@reapersan> nvm 00:33 <@reapersan> oof 00:33 mega salt 00:33 <@boo-tf> I felt bad for him before, now I think his loss was hilarious 00:33 wouldnt matter if it were directed at admin or someone else or no one... dont tolerate that language 00:33 <@reapersan> yeah and the RL disc shouldn't/doesn't either 00:42 <@Tone> I think vanilla shortens status effects to an extent as well? 00:42 <@Tone> actually I'm nearly positive it does 00:42 <@Tone> but with showxp on there isn't much room for things 00:54 <@reapersan> it doesn't shorten burdened or satiated, which is the most common one 00:54 <@reapersan> *are the most 01:18 [US] [D]: Karnac (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 556 points, 983 turns, killed by a bolt of lightning 01:20 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:21 -!- rld has joined #tnnt 01:21 -!- mode/#tnnt [+v rld] by ChanServ 01:22 -!- Ixoth has joined #tnnt 01:23 -!- stenno\ootc has joined #tnnt 01:28 -!- stenno\ootc has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:34 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:41 -!- Ixoth has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:53 yeah vanilla can do like "St Cn Bl" if you're out of room 01:53 it should shorten encumbrance/hunger too tbh 01:54 but showexp was his main problem, there's very little reason to ever have it on 01:54 <@reapersan> I use it in dnh so I know when I level up (cuz dnh has wayy less xp per level) 01:55 <@reapersan> but yah I can't see it being used in vanilla 01:59 <@Tone> I have showexp on by default but turn it off if it becomes an issue like that 01:59 <@Tone> It's useful for knowing how close you are to leveling up very early on, and also if you are about to drink gain level or eat a wraith 02:00 -!- greqrg has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:11 -!- stenno\ootc has joined #tnnt 02:14 I always save GL/wraiths until about level 12 when I know I won't be grinding any more normally 02:16 -!- stenno\ootc has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:24 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:5753 02:29 stairs in the mines level: "><" 02:32 rare event but fun 02:33 I've picked up daggers from like 8 different stacks in this game 02:33 and they're in 6 stacks in my inventory 02:34 and there's two stacks that have daggers from different sources, so one of them is PROBABLY the uncursed +0 03:02 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 03:07 I see the savebreak has been - oh well 03:10 lol polytrap generated a woodchuck 03:19 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:12547 03:34 [tnnt] copperwater pushed 5 new commits to master: https://git.io/fxQzO 03:34 tnnt/master 731d49e copperwater: Hack fix: devteam stairs didn't generate if quest portal was on level... 03:34 tnnt/master 5788777 copperwater: Special Izchak chat message if carrying scroll of missing code... 03:34 tnnt/master 6ceff27 copperwater: Implement two more devteam-related achievements... 03:35 <@spookidream> aosdict: shouldn't the really cool shirt grant fire resistance 03:37 <@spookidream> it IS really cool 03:37 You know, I thought that, but we were going for a little weaker than that 03:37 flavor < gameplay 03:43 <@spookidream> darn. I guess the quest is pretty easy 03:50 <@spookidream> hehe. mr shouty 03:50 <@spookidream> just noticed that 03:56 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:1157 04:06 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:3802 04:08 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:4137 04:12 -!- stenno\ootc has joined #tnnt 04:13 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:5326 04:17 -!- stenno\ootc has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:21 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:7695 04:38 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:11083 04:41 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:20298 04:59 <@spookidream> mission accomplished 05:00 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/503281133438369792/506331379458375680/cool.png 05:00 <@spookidream> what, no livelog? 05:01 <@spookidream> !tell aosdict can MR SHOUTY have special dialogue? 05:01 I'm on it, @spookidream. 05:01 <@Cerebot> This command must be issued directly. 05:13 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:16958 05:19 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:17281 05:19 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) genocided class h, on T:17282 05:28 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:19369 05:34 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) genocided class R, on T:20025 05:40 -!- theRaisse has joined #tnnt 05:44 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Arc-Dwa-Fem-Law), 338 points, 182 turns, killed by a werejackal 05:50 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) wished for "2 blessed greased scrolls of charging", on T:20207 05:56 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) genocided class ;, on T:20456 05:56 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the invisible Dark One, on T:28938 05:57 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:28944 06:00 Current Day as of 2018-10-29 06:00 UTC: Games: 14, Asc: 0, Scum: 12. 1543 turns, 1081 points. 0d 00:51 gametime. (50%Arc), (50%Dwa), (50%Cha), (50%Fem), 2d 17:59 to go! 06:07 hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Would bringing my pet balrog into the devteam's level be a bad idea 06:07 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Ashikaga Takauji, on T:21574 06:12 <@spookidream> no, the devteam is too high level for the balrog to attack them 06:13 -!- stenno\ootc has joined #tnnt 06:14 ahhh, I left it outside anyway and it might have gone untame by now. Not too much of a problem now anyway 06:15 lol I had all three scrolls before getting there 06:18 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed amulet of life saving", on T:22940 06:18 -!- stenno\ootc has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:25 <@spookidream> It would seem I overestimated the devteam 06:27 <@spookidream> I prepared for an absurd battle 06:27 <@spookidream> but had no trouble killing them 06:52 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:32695 07:03 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:33587 07:35 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) made his first wish - "holy marker", on T:34291 07:37 T:34432 I finally get a goddamn + of identify 07:49 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Pri-Hum-Fem-Law), 715 points, 1152 turns, killed by a gnome lord 07:51 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "holy marker", on T:34821 07:52 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 partly eaten historic speed boots", on T:34822 07:55 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "holy marker", on T:34895 08:14 -!- stenno\ootc has joined #tnnt 08:19 -!- stenno\ootc has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:20 [EU] Raisse (Hea Gno Fem Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1949 08:22 jfc. I freak out during a polypile binge thinking I've lost or polymorphed the mkot. After 5 minutes of frantically looking through the ttyrec I remember I never got the mkot in this game CD 08:22 XD* 08:26 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) was chosen to steal souls for the Glory of Anhur, on T:36631 08:30 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Hea-Gno-Fem-Neu), 1020 points, 3483 turns, killed by a water moccasin 08:37 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "uncursed marker", on T:37225 08:47 -!- AlbertB has joined #tnnt 08:55 What will happen to running or saved game sessions on eu.hardfought.org when tnnt starts? 09:01 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Croesus, on T:38083 09:04 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:06 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 09:09 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #tnnt 09:11 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:39276 09:12 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Hea-Gno-Fem-Neu), 294 points, 1185 turns, killed by a hobbit 09:53 [EU] [D]: elenmirie (Hea-Gno-Fem-Neu), 1755 points, 900 turns, killed by a bolt of lightning 10:16 -!- stenno\ootc has joined #tnnt 10:21 -!- stenno\ootc has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:28 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:41008 10:30 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Asmodeus, on T:41224 10:32 [EU] [D]: elenmirie (Hea-Gno-Fem-Neu), 392 points, 2597 turns, killed by a wand 10:32 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:41327 10:39 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) destroyed the invisible Vlad the Impaler, on T:41915 10:39 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:41916 10:41 [EU] [D]: elenmirie (Hea-Gno-Fem-Neu), 120 points, 1070 turns, killed by a large kobold 10:42 [EU] [D]: elenmirie (Hea-Gno-Fem-Neu), 4 points, 187 turns, killed by a boiling potion 10:59 is there anything to the PEBCAK Disposal Area other than the lava and the chest? I was hoping there would be a couple dozen Archons to slaughter 11:06 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Orcus, on T:43297 11:07 w00t w00t, got him before he used any charges :D 11:07 (0:7) 11:09 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:43419 11:21 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:44895 11:22 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:44897 11:22 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:44898 11:23 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:44926 11:24 AlbertB: all running/saved games, all xlogfile data will be wiped 24 hrs before tournament start 11:24 access to tnnt will also be turned off same timeframe 11:24 [EU] elenmirie (Hea Gno Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a werejackal, on T:3400 11:25 right at midnight UTC nov 1st it'll come back online, everyone on a clean slate, zero score 11:27 "The priest of Moloch turns into the dingo of Moloch!" lmao 11:27 I was aiming for FoD but a dingo is fine too 11:27 [EU] [D]: elenmirie (Hea-Gno-Fem-Neu), 584 points, 4061 turns, killed by an Uruk-hai, while fainted from lack of food 11:29 K2: BTW, the scoreboard will NOT admit games that started before the starting time. 11:30 K2: So it is possible to not clear on-going games. 11:30 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:45144 11:31 Mandevil right, will need to remind myself to tweak the start time on the board 11:31 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:45150 11:31 but to not clear any current beta testing ongoing games would be grossly unfair 11:32 K2: Why? 11:32 K2: They would not affect the tournament in any way, unless I am missing something. 11:33 swap chest? 11:33 Hm, maybe. 11:33 But I think swap chest can be emptied independently? 11:33 no I mea, start back a game from before the tourney - put a WoW in - grab it with a speedrun char 11:34 to try for first asc 11:34 Got it, the chest would need to be emptied. 11:34 well yes but 11:34 in this scenario, when the tourney starts, the WoW is in the pre-tourney game 11:34 so that needs to be cleared too 11:35 Ah. 11:35 Yes, that's a loophole. 11:35 that's just off the top of my head, there may be other sploits as well 11:36 You could also create bones with your pre-tournament game. 11:39 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:45779 11:40 -!- ShivanHunter has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:51 or you could park a game at astral, tourney starts and 2 seconds later you just won first asc trophy 11:52 and yeah we'll empty the chest too, that's already on the to-do before the actual tournament starts 11:53 -!- Ixoth has joined #tnnt 11:56 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:46895 11:56 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:46897 11:57 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:46914 12:00 Current Day as of 2018-10-29 12:00 UTC: Games: 22, Asc: 0, Scum: 12. 16178 turns, 5965 points. 0d 02:57 gametime. (70%Hea), (70%Gno), (70%Neu), (90%Fem), 2d 11:59 to go! 12:03 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the invisible Famine, on T:47112 12:05 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the invisible Famine, on T:47139 12:05 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Pestilence, on T:47154 12:05 [EU] [D]: elenmirie (Hea-Gno-Fem-Neu), 503 points, 2344 turns, killed by a little dog 12:06 [US] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (newt), on T:47165 12:07 [EU] [D]: elenmirie (Hea-Gno-Fem-Neu), 5 points, 221 turns, killed by a kobold 12:07 [US] [A]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 2295026 points, 47165 turns, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/S/ShivanHunter/tnnt/dumplog/1540769728.tnnt.txt 12:07 TNNT updated (all servers) 12:07 [Ac] ShivanHunter just earned It's Called That For a Reason, Captain Ahab, How Much Wood?, and Team a Headquarters. 12:09 -!- ShivanHunter has joined #tnnt 12:10 grats ShivanHunter 12:10 :D 12:10 did you find the new content? 12:11 I found the devteam room and the Really Cool Shirt! Is there something else? 12:11 nope that's the new content 12:11 !lastgame 12:11 ShivanHunter: [EU] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/e/elenmirie/tnnt/dumplog/1540814739.tnnt.txt | [US] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/S/ShivanHunter/tnnt/dumplog/1540769728.tnnt.txt | [AU] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Tangles/tnnt/dumplog/1540048719.tnnt.txt 12:11 what did you think? 12:11 -!- Anerag has joined #tnnt 12:11 was pretty cool! 12:12 Q: is there more to the "PEBCAK Disposal Area" than the lava and the chest? 12:12 no not at the moment 12:13 ahh 12:13 I was hoping a dozen or so archons would attack when I tried to loot the chest 12:14 heh 12:17 -!- stenno\ootc has joined #tnnt 12:17 also is anything supposed to happen to statues when you genocide a species? 12:18 -!- Ixoth has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:18 I was planning on genoing newts the whole time for the lulz, but I grabbed a statue of a newt on dlvl 1 on a whim, and it survived the geno 12:18 just never tried it before :D 12:20 no i dont think statues are affected by genocide 12:20 if you stone-to-flesh the statue after genociding the species it won't work 12:21 yeah was about to ask 12:21 ahh 12:21 Welp. Night all o/ 12:21 cya 12:21 -!- stenno\ootc has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:22 [US] [D]: oh6 (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 1051 points, 2154 turns, killed by an arrow 12:26 just for the record, I think I never swore at somebody in German on a nethack related channel (that should even include #nethack.de) 12:27 OTOH I added insults to nethack-de ... 12:28 -!- Ixoth has joined #tnnt 12:29 @spookidream too much effort for too little gain. And I'm busy enough already. 12:29 aosdict: Message from @spookidream at 2018-10-29 05:01 UTC: can MR SHOUTY have special dialogue? 12:31 bhaak: https://nhqdb.alt.org/?35 12:32 not german tho 12:34 yeah, I didn't I didn't swear :) 12:36 [EU] [D]: elenmirie (Hea-Gno-Fem-Neu), 1085 points, 2016 turns, killed by a hobbit, while frozen by a monster's gaze 12:36 ;) 12:36 btw, on the devteam quest, I'm missing a troll named kerio that wants to give you scrolls of the fake source code :-) 12:37 [Ac] elenmirie just earned Pet Rescue. 12:37 lol 12:38 -!- Ixoth has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 12:38 -!- Ixoth_ has joined #tnnt 12:43 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Arc-Dwa-Fem-Law), 208 points, 47 turns, killed by a dwarf zombie 12:46 [EU] [D]: elenmirie (Hea-Gno-Fem-Neu), 124 points, 972 turns, killed by a sewer rat 12:50 [EU] [D]: elenmirie (Hea-Gno-Fem-Neu), 21 points, 612 turns, killed by a jackal 12:53 bhaak: K2: should be a peaceful troll, and only get hostile when you refuse to accept the scrolls (which is always) 12:54 it's funny yeah... but I dont think we should tease other nethack community members in the tournament 12:54 unless its bhaak 12:54 bhaak is fair game 12:57 -!- Ixoth_ has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 12:57 -!- Ixoth has joined #tnnt 12:58 that's not teasing, that's accurate depiction of history :-] 12:58 true 12:59 but i personnaly dont think we should use the game as a vehicle to tease/snub people we may or may not care for 12:59 i would rather do that in person 12:59 to their face 12:59 [EU] [D]: elenmirie (Hea-Gno-Fem-Neu), 183 points, 1408 turns, killed by a boulder 13:00 so kerio really did try to get people to download fake source code? 13:02 well, the only thing fake about that source code was that it wasn't technically the "3.5.0" source code 13:03 what about an unnamed troll? 13:04 raisse i could go for that 13:05 ooooh hah 13:05 he might be disappointed if you make him an unnamed troll 13:05 we already have MR SHOUTY the troll, I'm not adding any more 13:05 another unnamed troll that keeps asking for you to fix the code for this idea they had <---- dig on me 13:06 Tangles and aosdict fully understand that one ;) 13:06 yeah these would prob be things for next year 13:06 i think aosdict is done adding content 13:08 there 2 full days left :-) 13:08 need to add punishment for killing devteam members. but that's it 13:08 and a reward for killing bhaak 13:08 :P 13:08 that's its own reward :-) 13:08 lol 13:27 <@spookidream> If you kill Lorimer, orctown shouldn’t be able to spawn 13:28 hah 13:28 -!- AntiGulp has joined #tnnt 13:28 his character would become target #1 13:30 Just received a massive series of “Bad fruit #1?” upon dying, and a series of program in disorder. It’s giving the message for every item in my inventory as my inventory is cleared while dying? 13:31 Update: “Bad fruit #1? Program in disorder!” for every single item in my inventory, just before getting the gravestone message. It looked like it happened when the inventory was cleared out before death. 13:31 [US] [D]: antigulp (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 2328 points, 2082 turns, killed by a dwarf zombie, while praying 13:31 AntiGulp which game? 13:31 oh 13:31 oops 13:31 i thought i was in #hardfought for a second 13:32 tty mode or curses mode? 13:32 [Ac] antigulp just earned Moves and Shakers. 13:33 Curses mode. 13:34 Unfortunately have to go after dropping the bug report, gotta catch a flight. 13:34 i'm going to make an assumption that that's a curse mode issue 13:34 but we'll have a look 13:34 ok AntiGulp have a safe flight 13:34 Yeah, the way it was going item by item and the way I could see my inventory clearing also makes me think it is a Curses bug. 13:34 And thank you! 13:34 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: explodes into confetti] 13:36 [EU] elenmirie (Hea Gno Fem Neu) rejected atheism by consulting with the priest of Poseidon, on T:3371 13:37 K2: Has this ever happened in tty mode? 13:37 not that I know of 13:38 since Tangles is still missing, are there any last eligibility rule tweaks we want to make to the swap chest? 13:39 -!- Ixoth has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:42 -!- Ixoth has joined #tnnt 13:43 <@Tone> Should empty wands be allowed? I saw one in there yesterday 13:43 Probably not. 13:43 Yeah, for this channel, that would be more of a question of "did you see anything in there that made you go "Why did it allow this?" 13:44 <@Tone> Possible exception for empty wands of wishing 14:09 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) wished for "2 greased uncursed rustproof scrolls of gold detection", on T:25450 14:09 [US] [D]: Kame (Tou-Hum-Fem-Neu), 14 points, 84 turns, killed by a water moccasin 14:09 [Tr] Kame now has Never Scum a Game! 14:11 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker named laziness", on T:25503 14:12 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:25548 14:14 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) bribed Asmodeus with 122 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:25735 14:15 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:25909 14:16 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:26158 14:18 -!- stenno\ootc has joined #tnnt 14:21 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:26626 14:21 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:26634 14:21 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) genocided gremlin, on T:26643 14:22 -!- stenno\ootc has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:27 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:30 [US] [D]: Kame (Rog-Hum-Fem-Cha), 1575 points, 1774 turns, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted gnome lord 14:31 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:28120 14:31 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:28129 14:31 [Ac] Kame just earned Dungeon Economics and Those Who Came Before. 14:33 [US] bouquet (Val Hum Fem Law) received Excalibur, on T:2899 14:35 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:28616 14:38 -!- AlbertB has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:38 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:29374 14:39 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:29504 14:39 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:29508 14:42 [US] [D]: Kame (Pri-Hum-Fem-Neu), 1428 points, 2459 turns, killed by a human mummy, while frozen by a monster's gaze 14:42 [Ac] Kame just earned A Little Light Larceny. 14:43 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) bribed Baalzebub with 114 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:30253 14:46 -!- ais523 has joined #tnnt 14:48 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:31434 14:48 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:31435 14:49 -!- callforjudgement has joined #tnnt 14:49 -!- ais523 has quit [Disconnected by services] 14:49 -!- callforjudgement is now known as ais523 14:53 [US] Luxidream (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Death, on T:31769 14:53 [US] [A]: Luxidream (Sam-Hum-Fem-Law), 1513518 points, 31794 turns, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/tnnt/dumplog/1540785065.tnnt.txt 14:54 <@spookidream> Vanquished creatures: 6 devteam members 14:55 -!- ais523 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:55 -!- ais523 has joined #tnnt 14:55 @Spookidream: that's a lot of shopkeepers 14:56 err, tool shopkeepers 14:56 or were you getting the developers from elsewhere? 14:56 (incidentally, it struck me a while back that the shopkeeper named Izchak sells tools as well, and thus fits in with the pattern…) 14:57 @spookidream enjoy it while it lasts 14:58 <@kritixilithos> devteam members are stronger than any other monster on that list? 14:58 <@spookidream> they are level 120 14:58 <@spookidream> weapon 8d8 +weapon 8d8 stun 14:59 <@spookidream> aosdict: can K2 recover dungeon collapses 😉 15:00 nope. it will be a different sort of collapse. one that calls done(DIED) or done(CRUSHED) instead of done(PANICKED) 15:00 <@spookidream> will there at least be an achievement for that 15:01 no. killing devteam members is explicitly discouraged 15:01 And I KNEW stuff like this would happen, months in advance. :P 15:01 <@spookidream> to be fair it wasn't difficult to predict...lol 15:02 wait, has someone added devteam members as a monster in the game? 15:03 <@spookidream> yes 15:03 tnnt has, as an additional challenge 15:03 [EU] [D]: elenmirie (Hea-Gno-Fem-Neu), 4178 points, 9297 turns, choked on a banana 15:03 that doesn't really work flavour-wise, given that the devteam could just arbitrarily change the code to make themselves invulnerable or whatever 15:03 not necessarily. they can only change the code to do that in $NEXTVERSION 15:04 there are some exceptions, such as hardfought 15:04 (which is where TNNT is being played!) 15:06 the planned but as yet unimplemented response to killing a devteam is that you destabilize the dungeon, which promptly collapses on you. 15:07 well, discouraging players from killing us makes sense, at least 15:07 this seems like a very slexish feature, though 15:07 admittedly, it's more guessable than the huge ogre thief thing 15:07 <@spookidream> huge ogre thief? 15:08 it's a Slash'EM Extended monster; if you hit it three times you just die, this isn't really clued or explained at all and there isn't a flavour justification 15:08 <@spookidream> well, the devteam isn't hostile 15:09 <@boo-tf> >luxi says he's done practicing for the tournament 15:09 <@spookidream> it's like a quest level. I don't think the players need to be told not to kill quest friendlies, why not here? 15:09 https://nhqdb.alt.org/?2342 15:09 <@boo-tf> >luxi ascends within 6hrs of this statemnet 15:09 that's not practicing any more, it's just having fun :-D 15:09 the other school of thought was that instead of a dungeon collapse, devteam members should just be ultimate-buffed one-eyed sam living gods 15:09 <@spookidream> @boo-tf I had to kill the devteam ok 15:10 but I think an enterprising player would still find a way to take them down 15:10 aosdict: it's very hard to make something unkillable in NetHack 15:10 <@boo-tf> haha 15:10 I think it'd make more sense to make 1ES respawn rather than to try to prevent a 1ES kill in the first place 15:10 <@boo-tf> 0.o I'm in an alt.org paste 15:10 thus making it more of an ultimate *challenge* and therefore encouragement to kill the devteam, instead of flatly discouraging it 15:10 <@boo-tf> that's a great paste though lol 15:11 <@spookidream> please don't give bhaak ideas 15:11 <@spookidream> I actually like being able to kill OES? 15:11 aosdict: as it is, the dungeon collapse encourages people to go for it for the trickery trophy 15:11 bhaak: make 1ES literally invincible 15:11 (even though the trickery trophy likely doesn't exist in TNNT, people still see it as a goal…) 15:11 <@spookidream> ...there's a trickery trophy 15:11 <@spookidream> ? 15:11 <@spookidream> oh 15:11 /dev/null/nethack has a trickery trophy 15:12 ais523: It's not an actual collapse. It's just a death flavored as one. 15:12 *had 15:12 aosdict: then it's a unique death 15:12 ais523: maybe I should make it "committed suicide" 15:12 probably least rewarding would be to make it "quit" and also flag the game as a startscum 15:13 but that makes even less sense 15:13 <@spookidream> would this happen upon killing any devteam member? 15:13 <@spookidream> can I just kill bhaak and leave 15:14 yes to one, no to other 15:14 why are you so obsessed with killing them 15:14 this is unhealthy 15:14 it's kind-of concerning, here I am trying to make NetHack better and Luxidream wants to kill me :-( 15:14 -!- raisse has joined #tnnt 15:15 <@spookidream> aw 😦 I don't want to kill ais 15:15 which channel on Discord is linked to #tnnt? does Discord have its own TNNT channel? 15:15 <@spookidream> aosdict: lord british postulate? 15:15 I should start using ☹ smilies, I guess, to be more in with the Discord crowd 15:16 the lord british postulate definitely applies to NetHack, I think; it's a good reason why there's no special case code for killing Izchak and no attempt to make him harder to kill 15:16 @mtf ^^^ 15:17 <@boo-tf> It's #nethack-tnnt on our side 15:17 <@boo-tf> and yes 😃 smilies work great here 😛 15:17 I only know how to type ☹ and ☺ 15:18 * aosdict looks up lord british postulate on tvtropes, gets lost for six hours 15:18 <@FrightBox> emotes are the wave of the future, you'll never be confused about how i'm feeling when i type something again 😚 15:18 <@boo-tf> 😉 15:18 aosdict: it's the principle that the harder you try to make a computer game character unkillable, the harder players will try to kill it 15:19 ais523: your smilies are tiny and impossible to read, unlike the ones written by discord people 15:19 I'm talking like 6x6 pixels 15:19 <@spookidream> ☺ 15:19 aosdict: I blame your client (or terminal, if it's a terminal-based client) 15:19 ;_; 15:19 in both cases it's just Unicode 15:20 <@spookidream> 😿 15:20 While I'm on tvtropes, let me just say that I'm miffed that they changed the page "The DevTeam Thinks Of Everything" to the more bland "Developers' Foresight" 15:20 <@spookidream> 😹 15:20 <@spookidream> aosdict: what? heresy 15:20 <@spookidream> isn't nethack the trope namer 15:21 <@spookidream> when did this happen 15:21 it _was_ the trope namer 15:21 they don't like trope names where you can't figure out what the trope is/does from the name 15:21 although I think that's problematic for this change, as the old name is clearer than the new oen 15:21 I tend not to stay on tvtropes any more since they've started to nag me about my adblocker 15:21 *one 15:21 <@spookidream> "the dev team thinks of everything" is pretty self explanation 15:22 <@spookidream> explanatory* 15:22 raisse: that annoyed me enough to read through the source to find a way round it 15:22 nowadays, I have my browser set to claim to TVtropes that it's running Windows Mobile 15:22 -!- Ixoth has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 15:22 -!- Ixoth has joined #tnnt 15:22 lol 15:23 haxxx 15:23 according to the talk page, the original title was being misused and interpreted as "The DevTeam Thinks Of Anything" 15:23 which is an obscure enough browser/OS that they don't have an anti-adblock implementation for it, and it doesn't cross the anti-adblocker's mind that maybe it should just try ones for OSes it does know about 15:23 aosdict: what would that even mean? 15:23