00:00 -!- jonadab has joined #hardfought 00:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v jonadab] by ChanServ 00:00 <@carlarc> is there a shortened command for #kick 00:00 <@carlarc> or at least something that repeats last action 00:00 Ctrl-D 00:01 <@carlarc> ty 00:01 NH4 has a repeat-last-action key, but I don't know if vanilla does. 00:02 <@rikersan> !whereis carlarc 00:02 @rikersan: [hdf-us] carlarc [nh363]: (Ran Elf Mal Cha) T:17998 The Dungeons of Doom level: 19 00:02 [US] [D]: bouquet (Kni-Hum-Fem-Law), 4834 points, 5384 turns, killed by a soldier ant 00:18 [US] [D]: whendricso (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 83 points, 397 turns, killed by a bear trap (and one other game not reported) 00:20 [US] [D]: bouquet (Kni-Hum-Fem-Law), 2651 points, 2198 turns, killed by a giant bat 00:22 [US] [D]: Cropper (Val-Hum-Fem-Neu), 115776 points, 22806 turns, crushed to death by a collapsing drawbridge 00:24 [US] [D]: whendricso (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 160 points, 440 turns, killed by a thrown potion 00:25 [Tr] Cropper now has Lesser Valkyrie! 00:28 [hdf-us] [nh363] carlarc (Ran Elf Mal Cha) had Werebane bestowed upon him by Mars, on T:20500 00:29 -!- ichbinmiah has joined #hardfought 00:32 -!- TheGame20 has joined #hardfought 00:37 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 297 points, T:866, killed by a gnome lord 00:40 [US] [D]: dgoddard (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Cha), 2492 points, 3206 turns, killed by an orc-captain 00:41 [hdf-us] [nh363] carlarc (Ran Elf Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:21278 00:42 jonadab: it does (they're both ctrl-A), but NH4's works much better, vanilla's is somewhat inconsistent 00:42 about how much it repeats and how much it asks for again 00:44 -!- TheGame20____ has joined #hardfought 00:46 [EU] [D]: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Neu), 29181 points, 13998 turns, killed by an Elvenking 00:46 ais523: if you had a theme song, would you call it la marseillais523? 00:50 [US] [D]: OneColdCanuck (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 17314 points, 7491 turns, killed by a magic missile, while dressing up 00:58 aosdict: almost certainly not 00:59 (my brain wanted to end that last sentence with a smiley that acted as an exclamation mark, but in retrospect I don't think there is one, so take this text description of it instead) 01:02 [EU] [D]: tacco (Mon-Hum-Fem-Neu), 18341 points, 8322 turns, killed by a quasit, while reading a book 01:13 [US] [D]: Wolfechu (Cav-Gno-Mal-Neu), 1619 points, 2427 turns, killed by a rope golem 01:18 [US] [D]: whendricso (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 530 points, 1547 turns, killed by a magic missile 01:19 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 01:23 [US] [D]: Dakira (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 667 points, 2686 turns, killed by a homunculus 01:24 [US] [D]: iyarkonan (Bar-Hum-Fem-Cha), 2565 points, 3202 turns, killed by invisible Yeenoghu 01:27 -!- Kontroller1 has joined #hardfought 01:31 [US] [D]: whendricso (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 468 points, 1145 turns, killed by a bolt of lightning 01:32 -!- Tangles has joined #hardfought 01:32 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Tangles] by ChanServ 01:38 [US] [D]: SkippitoFriskito (Bar-Orc-Mal-Cha), 1223 points, 1430 turns, killed by a rabid rat 01:40 [US] [D]: SkippitoFriskito (Bar-Orc-Mal-Cha), 72 points, 224 turns, killed by an electric shock 01:47 [US] [D]: allanb (Mon-Hum-Mal-Law), 17449 points, 10652 turns, killed by a giant mimic 01:53 [hdf-us] [nh363] carlarc (Ran Elf Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (woodchuck), on T:25429 01:55 <@carlarc> i want to move my stash to a lower level 01:55 <@carlarc> would simply digging down with my stash box on that tile suffice? 01:55 <@carlarc> would it break all the potions inside? 01:56 <@carlarc> by the fall i mean 01:58 [US] [D]: bouquet (Kni-Hum-Fem-Law), 463 points, 1313 turns, killed by a giant bat 02:01 [hdf-us] [nh363] shadowsapex (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 2503 points, T:3969, killed by a bugbear 02:02 <@carlarc> boh cancelling 02:02 <@carlarc> i'm a genius 02:12 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1161 points, T:2286, killed by an Uruk-hai 02:12 [US] [D]: whendricso (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 1176 points, 2411 turns, killed by a gnome 02:13 [US] [D]: jmcunx (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 2313 points, 5048 turns, killed by a chameleon imitating a warhorse 02:15 [US] [D]: jeremiahL (Mon-Hum-Fem-Neu), 26748 points, 12222 turns, killed by a leocrotta 02:16 [US] [D]: bouquet (Kni-Hum-Fem-Law), 1010 points, 3488 turns, killed by an acidic glob 02:21 -!- JonathanHanes has joined #hardfought 02:21 [US] [D]: whendricso (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 272 points, 966 turns, killed by a gas spore's explosion 02:24 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 02:25 -!- Tangles has joined #hardfought 02:25 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Tangles] by ChanServ 02:28 [hdf-us] [nh363] carlarc (Ran Elf Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:27203 02:36 -!- Grasshopper_ has joined #hardfought 02:36 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 02:38 [US] [D]: Dakira (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 5135 points, 7667 turns, killed by a soldier ant 02:38 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 02:38 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 02:38 [US] [D]: dgoddard (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Cha), 6773 points, 4419 turns, killed by a dwarf 02:46 <@carlarc> boh canceled 02:46 <@carlarc> stormbringer evaporated 02:46 <@carlarc> i'm a genius 02:47 <@rikersan> could be worse, you could have eaten it 02:47 Doesn't cancelling a BoH cost you 1 holy water? Not the end of the world. 02:47 <@rikersan> I'm assuming she means the wand went INTO the bag, not the beam onto the bag :/ 02:48 ON reflection that does seem likely. 02:48 [US] [D]: bouquet (Kni-Hum-Fem-Law), 519 points, 1038 turns, killed by a gnome lord 02:52 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 740 points, T:1358, killed by a hill orc 02:53 [US] [D]: arnibald (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 1303 points, 2771 turns, killed by an ape 02:56 [hdf-us] [nh363] carlarc (Ran Elf Mal Cha) had Fire Brand bestowed upon him by Mars, on T:29025 03:08 [US] [D]: HanClinto (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 1555 points, 1477 turns, killed by a crossbow bolt (and 3 other games not reported) 03:09 [EU] [A]: hilliance (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 1303200 points, 36185 turns, ascended 03:09 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/h/hilliance/tnnt/dumplog/1574054961.tnnt.html 03:13 [US] [A]: Bartlem (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 2734145 points, 53026 turns, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/B/Bartlem/tnnt/dumplog/1573844014.tnnt.html 03:15 [US] [D]: bouquet (Kni-Hum-Fem-Law), 2106 points, 3397 turns, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted soldier ant, while frozen by a potion 03:15 [Tr] Bartlem now has Both Genders! 03:15 [R] Clan Bane of Rodney advances to rank 11! 03:18 -!- Grasshopper_ has joined #hardfought 03:22 [hdf-us] [nh363] carlarc (Ran Elf Mal Cha) killed Scorpius, on T:36037 03:22 [hdf-us] [nh363] carlarc (Ran Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:36040 03:26 [US] [D]: klintos (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 5444 points, 10247 turns, killed by a Woodland-elf 03:28 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 4970340 points, T:152847, drowned in a pool of water 03:31 [US] [D]: klintos (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 146 points, 354 turns, killed by an exploding large box (and one other game not reported) 03:32 [US] [D]: arnibald (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 1698 points, 5687 turns, killed by a wand 03:33 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 659 points, T:1558, killed by a giant rat 03:44 [US] [Q]: HanClinto (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 1780 points, 1793 turns, quit (and one other game not reported) 03:49 [US] [D]: klintos (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 496 points, 1248 turns, killed by a goblin 03:50 [US] [D]: HanClinto (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 343 points, 904 turns, killed by a homunculus, while sleeping (and 3 other games not reported) 03:51 [AU] [D]: djm2000 (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 5936 points, 6102 turns, killed by a soldier ant 03:56 [US] [D]: shadowcat (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 16477 points, 8904 turns, killed by a leocrotta, while praying 04:01 <@rikersan> YANI: the magic mirror of merlin grants reflection, not MR, when carried 04:01 <@rikersan> it's a mirror, for lugh's sake 04:01 [US] [D]: allanb (Mon-Hum-Mal-Law), 4555 points, 6940 turns, killed by a Woodland-elf 04:02 [US] [D]: Cevn (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 9123 points, 2932 turns, killed by an iron piercer 04:03 [US] [D]: klintos (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 325 points, 899 turns, killed by a gnome (and one other game not reported) 04:04 [US] [D]: shadowcat (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 548 points, 1050 turns, killed by a water demon 04:08 [US] [D]: klintos (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 292 points, 701 turns, killed by a hobbit 04:15 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 04:21 [hdf-us] [un] woodstea23 (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 631 points, T:2763, killed by a falling rock 04:25 [US] [D]: dgoddard (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Cha), 3431 points, 4058 turns, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted snake 04:30 [hdf-us] [nh363] carlarc (Ran Elf Mal Cha) averted death, on T:40922 04:30 <@carlarc> electric eel zapped my ring of levitation over water 04:30 <@carlarc> gay. 04:30 <@rikersan> that's not very groovy of him 04:31 <@carlarc> i think i'm stranded on a medusa island now lmao 04:31 <@carlarc> oh wait no 04:31 those electric eels are pain in the ass, one of them blew up one of my wands of death in my game 04:31 https://theoatmeal.com/pl/minor_differences2/gay how old are you? 04:32 <@rikersan> pinkbeast: carlarc is a gay female, last I checked, but fair enough 04:33 <@rikersan> (you don't get the wonders of profile pictures on your side I believe) 04:35 <@carlarc> i use gay as a fake insult 04:35 <@carlarc> not like whatever... the hell you posted 04:35 <@carlarc> nobody talks like that 04:36 <@rikersan> the entirety of 8th grade boys in america would probably disagree with that statement 04:36 <@rikersan> source - attended 8th grade in a public high school in america, as a human male 04:38 @carlarc - You don't read The Oatmeal? How old are you? ;) 04:39 <@carlarc> :( 04:39 [US] [D]: Bartlem (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 3032 points, 2796 turns, killed by a Mordor orc 04:46 it's the worst webcomic, and I am including Abstruse Goose in this assessment. 04:47 shameless pandering not for any demographic but google hits, and only google hits 04:48 Oh man I haven't read abstruse goose in ages. Is that still going? 04:48 Last time I checked, yes 04:53 [US] [D]: klintos (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 2029 points, 4386 turns, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted Uruk-hai 05:01 [hdf-us] [un] woodstea23 (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 2176 points, T:3234, killed by a giant spider 05:03 [hdf-us] [un] woodstea23 (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 81 points, T:292, killed by a newt 05:08 [US] [D]: murgatroid99 (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 29304 points, 13085 turns, killed by a warg 05:10 [hdf-us] [un] woodstea23 (Arc Hum Fem Law), 289 points, T:1133, killed by a rope golem, while dressing up 05:12 [US] [Q]: jonathanhanes (Ran-Elf-Mal-Cha), 2023 points, 2187 turns, quit (and 2 other games not reported) 05:28 [AU] [D]: Andrio (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 2720 points, 4757 turns, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted water moccasin 05:33 [US] [D]: jonathanhanes (Ran-Elf-Mal-Cha), 1580 points, 3482 turns, killed by a giant spider (and one other game not reported) 05:39 [US] [D]: murgatroid99 (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 2790 points, 4080 turns, killed by a killer bee 05:43 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 05:55 [AU] [D]: djm2000 (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 780 points, 1809 turns, killed by a soldier ant 06:00 Current Day as of 2019-11-19 06:00 UTC: Games: 65, Asc: 2, Scum: 9. 304123 turns, 4379789 points. 3d 12:44 gametime. (34%Wiz), (57%Hum), (43%Cha), (57%Fem), 11d 17:59 remaining. 06:01 !ping 06:01 JonathanHanes: Pong! 06:01 @v?floating eye 06:01 floating eye (e) | Lvl: 2 | Diff: 3 | Spd: 1 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 10 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 9 | Attacks: 0d70 passive paralyze | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, flies, amphibious, infravisible 06:03 -!- bouquet has joined #hardfought 06:06 [US] [D]: chromatic (Arc-Dwa-Fem-Law), 66451 points, 26931 turns, killed by a winter wolf 06:12 [US] [D]: chromatic (Arc-Dwa-Fem-Law), 11 points, 450 turns, killed by a jackal (and one other game not reported) 06:14 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 06:16 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 1220 points, 7468 turns, killed by a pony, while fainted from lack of food 06:17 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 163 points, 481 turns, killed by a boulder 06:32 -!- Jonathan__ has joined #hardfought 06:34 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 854 points, 2894 turns, killed by a kitten 06:49 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 07:04 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 3269 points, 3864 turns, killed by an owlbear 07:08 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 135 points, 946 turns, killed by a jackal 07:11 [US] [D]: chromatic (Arc-Dwa-Fem-Law), 112 points, 957 turns, killed by a small mimic 07:13 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 299 points, 2048 turns, killed by a giant bat, while fainted from lack of food 07:18 [US] [D]: DexSG (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 48642 points, 15061 turns, petrified by a chickatrice corpse 07:19 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 341 points, 1747 turns, killed by a coyote 07:20 <@dexsg> ahhh missed my gloves being removed by a foocubus and got stoned 07:21 [US] [D]: eraserhead97 (Mon-Hum-Mal-Law), 1293 points, 1426 turns, killed by a magic missile 07:35 -!- lapis_ has joined #hardfought 07:38 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 654 points, 1320 turns, killed by a gnome 07:53 [EU] [D]: RandomHacker (Bar-Hum-Mal-Neu), 2490 points, 5173 turns, killed by a bolt of fire 07:58 [US] [D]: murgatroid99 (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 48352 points, 14650 turns, killed by a bugbear 08:05 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 08:10 [AU] [D]: Numbgoon (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 449 points, 848 turns, killed by a dwarvish spear 08:15 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 08:23 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 08:23 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 08:32 jonadab: of course plot-critical levels like quest goal, vlad or rodney cannot be replaced in slex; did Porkman really make it sound like I would make those not guaranteed? :P 08:35 K2: what do you have against my beautiful cuddly fleecy 3.4.3 :( 08:37 [US] [D]: oh6 (Hea-Hum-Fem-Neu), 3026 points, 4504 turns, killed by a soldier ant, while dressing up 08:39 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 08:46 [EU] [D]: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Neu), 1447 points, 2113 turns, killed by a wand 08:50 [EU] [D]: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Neu), 136 points, 764 turns, killed by a wand 08:52 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 08:52 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 08:57 [US] [D]: Wolfechu (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 570 points, 1409 turns, killed by a giant bat 09:20 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 14037 points, 11823 turns, killed by a bolt of cold 09:27 -!- stennowork has joined #hardfought 09:28 i should try to get at least one ascension in before the tourney ends 09:37 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 2268 points, 4101 turns, killed by a gnome lord 09:44 [AU] [D]: Numbgoon (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 7313 points, 6085 turns, killed by an owlbear 09:45 [EU] [D]: jannis (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 474 points, 1139 turns, killed by a goblin 09:47 [EU] [D]: Anerag (Bar-Hum-Fem-Cha), 1808 points, 1972 turns, killed by a soldier ant called stupid ant 09:52 -!- spontiff has joined #hardfought 09:58 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 1923 points, 3656 turns, killed by a gnome 10:02 -!- lorimer has joined #hardfought 10:02 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v lorimer] by ChanServ 10:07 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 934 points, 2557 turns, killed by a rock piercer, while reading a book 10:09 [EU] [D]: Anerag (Mon-Hum-Fem-Law), 3395 points, 1881 turns, zapped herself with a wand 10:09 [AU] [D]: Numbgoon (Pri-Hum-Mal-Neu), 971 points, 3132 turns, poisoned by a dart 10:09 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 164 points, 431 turns, killed by a water demon 10:16 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 390 points, 1286 turns, killed by a gnome lord 10:29 [EU] [D]: jannis (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 112 points, 502 turns, killed by a fox 10:30 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 1064 points, T:1964, killed by a hobbit 10:33 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 207 points, T:386, killed by a jackal 10:39 [EU] [D]: jannis (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 583 points, 3111 turns, killed by a little dog 10:42 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 308 points, T:1396, killed by a small mimic 10:49 -!- spontiff has joined #hardfought 10:54 [EU] [D]: elenmirie (Mon-Hum-Fem-Cha), 13664 points, 9121 turns, killed by an ape 10:56 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 1270 points, 2903 turns, killed by a dwarf lord 10:58 [EU] [D]: Anerag (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Cha), 7312 points, 6818 turns, killed by a scroll of genocide 11:02 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 11:12 -!- stennowork has left #hardfought 11:13 -!- stennowork has joined #hardfought 11:24 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 11:34 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 11:40 [US] [A]: efot (Arc-Hum-Fem-Neu), 2129708 points, 38359 turns, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/e/efot/tnnt/dumplog/1573953083.tnnt.html 11:40 [R] Clan The Strong and the Bad advances to rank 9! 11:41 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 92 points, 306 turns, killed by a goblin 11:45 [EU] [D]: jannis (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 572 points, 1805 turns, killed by a dwarf 11:47 [US] [D]: kitty (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 68112 points, 15608 turns, killed by a death ray 12:00 Current Day as of 2019-11-19 12:00 UTC: Games: 106, Asc: 3, Scum: 9. 515805 turns, 6814815 points. 6d 19:03 gametime. (43%Wiz), (46%Hum), (52%Cha), (52%Mal), 11d 11:59 remaining. 12:02 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 3134 points, 4714 turns, killed by a gnome lord 12:21 [US] [D]: scorchgeek (Arc-Dwa-Fem-Law), 271 points, 935 turns, killed by a bugbear 12:35 [EU] [D]: RandomHacker (Mon-Hum-Fem-Cha), 27671 points, 11633 turns, killed by a priestess of Huan Ti, while paralyzed by a monster 12:36 [EU] [D]: saso (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 574 points, 6029 turns, killed by a bolt of lightning 12:38 [US] [D]: efot (Arc-Hum-Fem-Law), 2691 points, 3305 turns, killed by a wererat 12:43 [US] [D]: efot (Arc-Hum-Fem-Law), 652 points, 557 turns, killed by a wererat 12:46 [EU] [D]: jannis (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 2091 points, 3677 turns, killed by a bolt of fire 13:17 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 6580 points, 6958 turns, killed by a soldier ant 13:21 -!- bebing has joined #hardfought 13:22 -!- spontiff has joined #hardfought 13:34 [EU] [D]: PeterQ (Rog-Orc-Fem-Cha), 417015 points, 67898 turns, crushed to death by a collapsing drawbridge 13:36 [EU] [D]: jannis (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 5191 points, 4175 turns, poisoned by an orcish arrow 13:42 -!- spontiff has joined #hardfought 14:13 [EU] [D]: PeterQ (Rog-Orc-Fem-Cha), 164 points, 1765 turns, killed by a coyote 14:22 [EU] [D]: RandomHacker (Sam-Hum-Fem-Law), 8193 points, 5949 turns, petrified by touching a cockatrice corpse bare-handed 14:30 [EU] [D]: PeterQ (Rog-Orc-Fem-Cha), 412 points, 7642 turns, killed by a hobbit 14:35 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 14:38 [EU] [D]: PeterQ (Rog-Orc-Fem-Cha), 592 points, 1948 turns, killed by a gnome 14:43 [hdf-us] [evil] Everdying (Mon Dwa Fem Neu) genocided master mind flayer, on T:47468 14:44 [US] [D]: kitty (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 526 points, 1622 turns, killed by a large mimic, while reading a book 14:47 [hdf-us] [evil] Everdying (Mon Dwa Fem Neu) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of taming", on T:47537 14:49 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 118 points, 530 turns, killed by a water moccasin 14:52 [EU] [D]: RandomHacker (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 330 points, 1866 turns, killed by a little dog 14:56 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 713 points, 1241 turns, killed by a small mimic 14:59 [US] [D]: klintos (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 536 points, 2006 turns, killed by a hobbit 15:01 -!- Grasshopper_ has joined #hardfought 15:01 -!- Glasshopper has joined #hardfought 15:04 [US] [D]: klintos (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 116 points, 560 turns, killed by a newt 15:22 [EU] [D]: PeterQ (Rog-Orc-Fem-Cha), 984 points, 9330 turns, killed by a gnome lord 15:23 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed Eye of the Aethiopica", on T:2787 15:23 -!- joes has joined #hardfought 15:24 [AU] [A]: Andrio (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 2482228 points, 47499 turns, ascended 15:24 https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Andrio/tnnt/dumplog/1574141366.tnnt.html 15:24 grats Andrio 15:24 Thanks :o 15:25 [Tr] Andrio now has Both Genders! 15:31 [US] [D]: klintos (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 388 points, 1074 turns, killed by a giant rat (and one other game not reported) 15:41 [EU] [D]: PeterQ (Rog-Orc-Fem-Cha), 116 points, 2484 turns, killed by a jackal 15:43 [US] [D]: klintos (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 538 points, 1263 turns, killed by a hill orc 15:44 <@bubbles> aloha 15:44 Hello @bubbles, Welcome to #hardfought 15:45 salut 15:45 Hello stennowork, Welcome to #hardfought 15:45 bonjour 15:45 Hello stennowork, Welcome to #hardfought 15:45 good bot 15:45 moin 15:45 damn son 15:45 <@bubbles> https://i.imgur.com/xLLxh3z.png 15:45 <@bubbles> I finally god my to-hit code mildly implemented! 15:46 hit zones? 15:46 <@luxidream> ni hao 15:46 nihao 15:46 bad bot 15:46 racist 15:46 ohaio 15:47 <@luxidream> chao 15:47 :o 15:48 [US] [D]: klintos (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 140 points, 729 turns, killed by a falling rock 15:48 <{Demo}> you destroyed your left arm? 15:48 i am chao 15:49 ciao 15:49 Hello stennowork, Welcome to #hardfought 15:49 good bot 15:49 ciao is like aloha in that it means both hello and goodbye (iirc?) 15:51 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed rustproof +2 Mjollnir", on T:3359 15:51 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/646376946481233920/2Q.png 15:51 <@luxidream> chao 15:53 [EU] [D]: PeterQ (Rog-Orc-Fem-Cha), 181 points, 3881 turns, killed by a dwarf 15:53 my 'chao' is something different 15:53 its the singular form of 'chaos' 15:55 <@luxidream> it's a formal greeting in viet 15:55 https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Principia_Discordia#THE_SACRED_CHAO 15:55 -!- spontiff7 has joined #hardfought 15:56 <@bubbles> {Demo} where did I hit my left arm? 15:56 <@bubbles> And yeah hit zones work 15:57 <@bubbles> So basically your tohit/luck modifiers increase your chance of hitting a "higher" zone, which means you have more chance of scoring a kill due to N-body-parts being destroyed 15:57 <@bubbles> Which is a lot less total hp to eat through than the "died of its wounds", which is 1/2 the total hp gone 15:58 <@bubbles> Your actual hit roll is based only on your own skill 15:58 <{Demo}> oh I thought it said with your left arm 15:58 <{Demo}> nvm 15:58 <@bubbles> So at restricted it's ~40% hit, expert would be 95% 16:02 <@bubbles> Still not convinced I'm going to do crits though, don't think they translate to rogue/nethack very well 16:02 <@bubbles> In a tabletop it's exciting, and in a realtime where you hit many times for it to even out it's ok, but it's kinda unreliable/lame in nethack (in my opinion) 16:02 <@bubbles> Too spiokey 16:04 <@luxidream> you hit many times in nethack 16:04 <@luxidream> imagine leocrotta crits though 16:04 <@luxidream> seems fair 16:04 <@bubbles> Many times in the same combat* 16:05 <@bubbles> I think I'd always take slightly lower, but more consistent damage, but I am pretty bad at the game so I am not a good person to ask! 16:10 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 1928 points, 4454 turns, killed by a jackal, while frozen by a monster's gaze 16:11 [hdf-us] [evil] Everdying (Mon Dwa Fem Neu) killed Dispater, on T:48101 16:13 -!- moony has joined #hardfought 16:15 [US] [D]: SkydiveMike (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 7816 points, 17184 turns, killed by an owlbear 16:15 -!- spontiff has joined #hardfought 16:19 [hdf-us] [nh363] carlarc (Ran Elf Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:41991 16:27 -!- moony has joined #hardfought 16:37 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:6079 16:42 [US] [D]: Bartlem (Arc-Gno-Mal-Neu), 270 points, 802 turns, killed by an exploding rune 16:43 -!- bug_sniper_ has joined #hardfought 16:44 [hdf-us] [nh363] carlarc (Ran Elf Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a gray dragon, on T:42421 16:44 [US] [D]: dgoddard (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Cha), 1132 points, 3399 turns, killed by a hill orc 16:50 [hdf-us] [nh363] carlarc (Ran Elf Fem Cha) was chosen to take lives for the Glory of Mars, on T:42881 16:54 [EU] [D]: PeterQ (Rog-Orc-Fem-Cha), 2269 points, 9521 turns, killed by a Woodland-elf, while praying 16:58 [EU] [D]: RandomHacker (Sam-Hum-Fem-Law), 9796 points, 6900 turns, killed by a leocrotta 17:11 [US] [D]: dgoddard (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Cha), 3894 points, 4303 turns, killed by a giant beetle 17:17 -!- Grasshopper_ has joined #hardfought 17:23 [US] [D]: SkippitoFriskito (Bar-Orc-Mal-Cha), 317 points, 1046 turns, killed by a jackal, while frozen by a monster's gaze 17:23 [EU] [D]: Anerag (Bar-Hum-Fem-Cha), 53461 points, 16771 turns, killed by a death ray 17:24 [hdf-us] [evil] Everdying (Mon Dwa Fem Neu) killed Geryon, on T:48407 17:28 [US] [D]: SkippitoFriskito (Bar-Orc-Mal-Cha), 461 points, 1029 turns, killed by a giant bat 17:28 [US] [D]: dgoddard (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Cha), 1889 points, 2888 turns, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted dwarf, while fainted from lack of food 17:29 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8276 17:37 [EU] [D]: gargor (Arc-Hum-Mal-Neu), 179 points, 263 turns, killed by a hobbit 17:42 [EU] [D]: gargor (Arc-Hum-Mal-Neu), 188 points, 505 turns, killed by a dwarf 17:45 -!- truculent has joined #hardfought 17:47 [US] [D]: allanb (Mon-Hum-Mal-Law), 15877 points, 8977 turns, killed by Juiblex 17:47 [EU] [D]: PeterQ (Rog-Orc-Fem-Cha), 904 points, 3092 turns, killed by a wand 17:49 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:9265 17:51 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 5411 points, 10953 turns, killed by a crossbow bolt 18:00 Current Day as of 2019-11-19 18:00 UTC: Games: 152, Asc: 4, Scum: 9. 809300 turns, 9882845 points. 9d 08:49 gametime. (39%Wiz), (45%Hum), (54%Cha), (52%Mal), 11d 05:59 remaining. 18:04 [EU] [D]: amateurhour (Rog-Hum-Fem-Cha), 4619 points, 4019 turns, killed by a gray unicorn 18:09 [US] [D]: Luxidream (Pri-Hum-Fem-Law), 1983 points, 1912 turns, killed by a soldier ant 18:21 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 43376 points, T:9838, killed by an Olog-hai 18:25 [hdf-us] [nh4] vexana (hackedhead) (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 39662 points, T:4553, killed by a white unicorn 18:25 ugh. killed by "being invisible near a unicorn", should be. 18:27 what a wierd interaction: if you're visible, they avoid melee and LOS, if you're invisible, they attack indiscriminately (and in fact, I tried to move away from this fight, and it followed me, did it follow me, or did I just get unlucky that it moved in step with me?) 18:27 If you're invisible they don't seem to mind occupying a space next to you 18:28 [US] [D]: klintos (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 3648 points, 7214 turns, killed by a ghoul 18:28 I don't know if they will willingly move to a spot next to you though 18:28 they will, apparently. 18:28 But since you're invisible that doesn't apply 18:28 well, right. 18:28 BEcause they don't "technically" know you are on that square 18:28 [US] [D]: chromatic (Arc-Dwa-Fem-Law), 351 points, 1435 turns, fell into a pit 18:28 or something 18:29 but what's odd is that they don't "bump into you" when you're invis 18:29 they just straight up attack you. 18:29 if they become adjacent. 18:29 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 18:30 Maybe they have radius-1 see invisible. 18:30 [US] [D]: klintos (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 207 points, 410 turns, killed by a hobbit 18:30 [EU] [D]: amateurhour (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 2844 points, 2941 turns, killed by an orc-captain 18:32 [US] [D]: klintos (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 232 points, 726 turns, killed by a giant rat 18:33 I've got two "died due to stomach acid" type deaths this month. 18:33 I'm sort of proud of that achievement. 18:34 [US] [D]: klintos (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 105 points, 409 turns, killed by a sewer rat 18:35 [US] [D]: klintos (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 13 points, 124 turns, killed by a kobold 18:36 [US] [D]: klintos (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 19 points, 137 turns, killed by a sewer rat 18:38 [hdf-us] [nh363] Hekik (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:52262 18:38 [US] [A]: Grouchy (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 3093682 points, 49182 turns, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/G/Grouchy/tnnt/dumplog/1573842159.tnnt.html 18:38 [hdf-us] [nh363] Hekik (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:52263 18:38 -!- Hekik has joined #hardfought 18:40 [R] Clan Destine advances to rank 14! 18:46 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 1632 points, 4060 turns, killed by an elf zombie, while fainted from lack of food 18:47 [US] [D]: klintos (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 420 points, 1258 turns, killed by a giant bat (and one other game not reported) 18:48 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 21 points, 304 turns, killed by a fox 18:49 [US] [D]: klintos (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 158 points, 448 turns, killed by a hobbit 18:52 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 313 points, 1101 turns, killed by a giant bat 18:53 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 176 points, 254 turns, killed by a gnome 18:53 clan teenage nethack ninja turtles is #1 for unique deaths. So proud 18:56 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 19:01 [hdf-us] [nh363] vhorthor (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 1053 points, T:2858, killed by a gnome 19:09 -!- joes has joined #hardfought 19:09 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 2284 points, 3616 turns, killed by a dwarf 19:11 [EU] [D]: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Neu), 17469 points, 9905 turns, killed by a giant mummy 19:11 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 83 points, 193 turns, killed by a falling rock 19:14 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 154 points, 861 turns, killed by a jackal, while fainted from lack of food 19:15 [hdf-us] [nh363] vhorthor (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 332 points, T:1369, killed by a giant bat 19:15 [US] [D]: chromatic (Arc-Dwa-Fem-Law), 546 points, 1796 turns, killed by a giant bat 19:18 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 261 points, 826 turns, killed by a large mimic 19:19 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 41 points, 186 turns, killed by a sewer rat 19:20 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 35 points, 115 turns, killed by a jackal 19:20 [US] [D]: dgoddard (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Cha), 10 points, 198 turns, killed by a kobold zombie 19:20 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 93 points, 288 turns, killed by a kobold 19:23 -!- joes has joined #hardfought 19:28 [US] [D]: dgoddard (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Cha), 517 points, 1569 turns, killed by a little dog 19:28 [hdf-us] [nh363] RyanHill (Kni Hum Mal Law) signified by divine providence, was chosen to carry Excalibur, on T:3100 19:30 [US] [Q]: Nobbs (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 838534 points, 56290 turns, quit (and 2 other games not reported) 19:32 -!- spontiff has joined #hardfought 19:32 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 19:32 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 19:35 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 19:36 [hdf-us] [nh363] RyanHill (Kni Hum Mal Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping 9 daggers on an altar, on T:3805 19:36 [EU] [D]: amateurhour (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 9105 points, 4191 turns, killed by a vampire lord 19:46 [US] [D]: chromatic (Arc-Dwa-Fem-Law), 423 points, 1159 turns, fell into a pit 19:47 [US] [D]: quervo1 (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 6 points, 136 turns, killed by a bolt of fire 19:51 [US] [D]: klintos (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 1915 points, 6641 turns, killed by a raven (and one other game not reported) 19:53 [US] [D]: klintos (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 121 points, 137 turns, killed by a kobold zombie 19:56 [US] [D]: klintos (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 174 points, 446 turns, killed by a guisarme 19:59 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 20:01 -!- Andrio has joined #hardfought 20:11 [US] [D]: quervo1 (Arc-Hum-Mal-Law), 1613 points, 2296 turns, killed by a wand 20:12 [US] [D]: dgoddard (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Cha), 7201 points, 5639 turns, killed by a soldier ant 20:12 [EU] [D]: amateurhour (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 5558 points, 3064 turns, poisoned by a rotted wolf corpse 20:14 [EU] [D]: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Neu), 10849 points, 6917 turns, killed by a human zombie, while frozen by a monster's gaze 20:16 [US] [D]: SkippitoFriskito (Bar-Orc-Mal-Cha), 8269 points, 5375 turns, burned by a tower of flame 20:19 [US] [D]: DexSG (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 537 points, 2046 turns, killed by a dwarf zombie 20:22 [hdf-us] [nh363] vhorthor (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 4807 points, T:4436, killed by a hobbit, while frozen by a monster's gaze 20:24 [US] [D]: chromatic (Arc-Dwa-Fem-Law), 1116 points, 2209 turns, killed by a kitten 20:25 [EU] [D]: amateurhour (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 102 points, 565 turns, killed by a wand 20:30 [hdf-us] [nh363] RyanHill (Kni Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a vampire lord, on T:9197 20:31 [hdf-us] [nh363] RyanHill (Kni Hum Mal Law), 16609 points, T:9257, petrified by a cockatrice 20:31 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 20:34 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 12959 points, 7586 turns, killed by a hobbit 20:36 <@carlarc> @hackedhead i just died to travel modeling and passing by an unicorn, while visible 20:36 <@carlarc> i think it was in a pit 20:36 <@carlarc> that was some mega bull 20:37 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 176 points, 713 turns, killed by a crossbow bolt 20:38 -!- GreenScreen has joined #hardfought 20:42 <@Tone> Yeah auto travel is awful in nethack 20:42 <@Tone> Probably my top complaint in vanilla right now 20:50 Auto-travel is a bad idea in roguelikes generally. 20:51 jonadab: ohh, does that mean you're also in the anti-autoexplore camp that I'm in? :) 20:51 <@Tone> Auto travel makes the games much more accessible to a lot of players though 20:51 <@Tone> The main thing with nethack is that it doesn't stop when threats appear 20:51 @Tone I think it makes players wonder why they are dying all the time (Brogue) or why the level design is so boring (DCSS). 20:52 autotravel is probably bad when your char is so frail that you can die to a single hit from a strong monster, but I've never had that problem 20:52 we're talking about the thing where you hit _ (underscore), select a target, and then let the game move you there, right? 20:52 <@Tone> I can do a count wait to "rest" and a minotaur will enter the opposite end of the room and walk up to me and attack me before it stops waiting 20:52 (The problem in Brogue is that auto-explore is turn-inefficient and causes hunger-clock issues.) 20:53 LarienTelrunya: No, not that. 20:53 <@IceBox> LarienTelrunya, some games have full-on auto-explore where you press a button and the game just plays for you 20:53 That's just travel. Which is fine. 20:53 <@IceBox> but it behaves kinda like auto-travel...it just picks the destinations for you 20:53 @Tone Umm, that's a bug. And won't happen in NH4. 20:53 <@Tone> Interesting, I should test it a bit and report it perhaps 20:54 <@IceBox> yeah it definitely happens (and sucks) in 3.6.3 20:54 @IceBox: yes, I've played such a game, Pinkbeast is a great fan of it... and every time I pressed the autoexplore button in that game by mistake, my char explored in LIGHTNING SPEED, like 1 turn per frame or so, and when I finally hit a key to stop it, I was already in a dead end and monsters spawned and killed me when I wanted to move out of that 20:54 dead end. 20:54 @Tone: I should clarify: it's a bug if you can see the monster when you start the prefix. 20:54 <@IceBox> haha yep you can explicitly configure it so that the game doesn't render anything during auto-explore 20:54 Because when you the monster enters your field of view, is when it's supposed to stop. 20:54 <@IceBox> so 300 turns can pass in a single frame 20:55 <@Tone> DCSS seems to be designed around the idea that you are meant to play it via autoexplore 20:55 And yes, the animation setting (animation in NH4, forget what it's called in vanilla, maybe runmode or something) is configurable. 20:55 Up to a point. 20:55 @Tone Yes, and that's a bad thing. 20:55 <@Tone> It feels like a series of separate random encounters to me 20:56 Exploration is at least half the point of roguelikes, and at least three quarters of the point of procedural content generation. 20:56 when I play DCSS, it always feels like I'm hoping that the game doesn't randomly spawn a monster that will own me, because there seems to be so little you can do against monsters that are too strong 20:56 If a roguelike makes exploration so boring that players want to skip it, it's bad game design, period. 20:56 (Which, I mean, Gehennom.) 20:57 sure you can try to flee, go to a different level or something... but if you keep encountering strong monsters on those too, you'll eventually run out of safe areas and die 20:57 LarienTelrunya: Have you watched Malcolm Rose stream? 20:57 It appears that with skill, you can almost always survive somehow. 20:57 jonadab: no, don't even know who that's supposed to be? 20:57 LarienTelrunya: DCSS streamer on Twitch. 20:58 <@Tone> LarienTelrunya: Good DCSS players seem to be able to overcome out of depth monsters in DCSS than good nethack players can overcome early traps, poison instadeath, monsters with wands 20:58 Streamed a bunch of games during their recent tournament. 20:58 [US] [D]: misifus (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 474 points, 2509 turns, killed by a gnome 20:58 Apparently the world record streak lengths for the two games are rather similar. 20:58 But DCSS appears to have a larger number of players who can get streaks of about that length. 20:58 <@Tone> Yep 20:58 _Possibly_ just because DCSS has a larger number of online players. 20:58 (NetHack probably has more offline players.) 20:59 (ais523 estimates that 90% of NetHack players play offline.) 20:59 (Though there's a large amount of guesswork in that estimate.) 20:59 <@Tone> Look at the streaks in the dcss tourney that just ended compared to the current nethack tourney 21:00 <@Tone> Although to be fair, tournament structure and scoring will dictate that to an extent 21:00 heh, watching some DCSS uberplayer won't allow me to get better at the game though... I don't even have a good standard strategy for that game, so those god-tier players talking about advanced strategy won't be of any help to me :P 21:00 <@Tone> LarienTelrunya: Malcolm's stream is actually excellent for learning DCSS, I've been watching it myself and have learned a lot 21:01 The NetHack tournament structure does not encourage streaking. 21:01 Nonetheless, more DCSS players can do 15-streaks, than NetHack players, I think. 21:02 Malcolm does a good job of talking about WHY he's doing things. 21:02 And why he's _thinking_ about _maybe_ doing this or that, and why he decides to do this other thing instead... 21:02 At first, he was pretty over my head. 21:02 But I'm starting to assimilate a few things. 21:03 @Tone: there's several problems; one, I don't have enough free time to watch such a stream; second, I can't really play along because if I play, things will be different enough that trying to apply some gosu strategy won't work cleanly, and third, I certainly can't make a slexified DCSS variant so gitting gud at the game would be for naught :P 21:03 He does a good job of explaining the pros and cons of various DCSS dieties. Which the wiki does a really bad job of. 21:03 The wiki just makes them all seem terrible. 21:03 <{Demo}> does DCSS have +9 elven runeswords? 21:03 Probably. 21:03 With +2 MR and RF+ 21:03 <{Demo}> does it have broad/universal/narrow weapons? 21:04 <@Tone> LarienTelrunya: Well those issues are different than saying that watching a good player stream won't help you with the game :P 21:04 heh 21:04 Personally, I'm watching his stream _instead_ of trying to play the game myself. 21:04 admittedly I learned how to ascend vanilla from reading a screenshot LP, maybe a good screenshot LP of DCSS would help similarly 21:04 As an alternative way of experiencing the game. 21:04 Because I pretty much gave up on playing it myself. 21:04 <@Tone> jonadab: Looking at other roguelike wikis makes me really appreciate how useful the nethack wiki is 21:05 <@IceBox> nethack's wiki is amazing 21:05 and obviously, the NH screenshot LP in question was using... drumroll please... the samurai aka the best role :D 21:05 Yeah, NetHack has probably the best wiki of any Roguelike. 21:05 <@IceBox> just objectively great 21:05 Brogue's is pathetic. 21:05 <{Demo}> the nethack wiki would be a lot better if good contributers didnt get banned for no reason :( 21:05 <@IceBox> some roguelikes are somewhat doomed because of the frequent updates (cogmind/qud) 21:05 {Demo}: Please tell me you are not magicbymckaulkin or whoever. 21:05 <@IceBox> i think we're about to learn something 21:05 <{Demo}> im not im making a joke about him 21:05 <@IceBox> ok phew 😉 21:06 {Demo}: LOL :D you should ask if the best way to defeat Orcus is to dig down, then use several scrolls of teleport while confused and sometimes hitting him so he warps to the upstair :D 21:06 <{Demo}> honestly i want an archive of his best work for a hidden branch level under the oracle very rarely 21:07 <{Demo}> just like some hall of wisdom full of rubber houses and mbm quotes 21:07 Snickersnee does slightly less than double the damage of a normal katana, but over many rounds of combat it's +1d5 to hit will double it's damage output. 21:07 Magicbane, while not doing double damage on each hit, has a chance of inflicting a number of status effects on a monster such as extra damage, stunning, scaring and cancelling. These effects allow more unanswered hits by the player, thus doubling their damage output over time. 21:07 [US] [D]: misifus (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 218 points, 973 turns, killed by a gas spore's explosion 21:07 All players should try and obtain a powerful artifact weapon as soon as possible. This becomes more crucial the weaker the physical stats of the role chosen as many artifact weapons can double damage output and compensate for To Hit deficits. 21:08 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 2157 points, 5686 turns, killed by a gold golem 21:08 Scrolls of Teleportation are the best way to defeat Orcus. As soon as you are aware you are at Orcus Town (by magic mapping, or by seeing the mimic shops), dig down below the level and fall through. Then proceed though the level below and take the upstairs back up to Orcus Town. 21:08 (and on and on; I've immortalized those quotes and a bunch of others in slex) 21:08 <{Demo}> ah 21:09 just look at how GENIUS that guy is! he found out that +1d5 to-hit will somehow double Snickersnee's damage output! what would we do without his endless wisdom? 21:09 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 36 points, 185 turns, killed by a sewer rat 21:10 I mean, among his assorted changes, there were a handful of actually good ones. Unsurprisingly: even a random number generator will give the right answer to arithmetic questions occasionally. 21:10 We just don't (collectively, the entire NetHack community) have enough free time to triage it all, plus deal with all the arguments. 21:11 lol, I've posted a slex quiz a while ago and there's at least one question (IIRC several) where *no one* of the 13 participants picked the correct answer, even though there are only 4 possible answers of which one is correct. 21:11 [US] [D]: chromatic (Arc-Dwa-Fem-Law), 1190 points, 1997 turns, killed by a werejackal 21:11 <@luxidream> snickersnee isn't even +1d5 21:11 so sometimes, humans can fail more often than a pure RNG :D 21:11 <{Demo}> isnt snickersnee +1d8? 21:12 I don't remember. 21:12 <@luxidream> +1 21:12 <{Demo}> me neither i just know its worse than excal 21:12 <{Demo}> oh the tohit 21:12 <@Tone> LarienTelrunya: The participants weren't choosing randomly though, maybe the question/answers were misleading 21:13 I went through Snickersnee's stats once, went, "Oh, it's like Excalibur except strictly worse, and without the searching buffs, and harder to obtain", and moved on. 21:13 <{Demo}> yeah im not sure why snickersnee is a thing 21:13 @Tone: you should take the slex quiz! *bundlebundlebundlebundlebundle!* ♥♥♥♥♥ if you want to give it a try, it's here: https://forms.gle/qVcGsbvwY7gHRfmQ8 :) 21:13 Looks like the to-hit bonus is just +1 on Snick. 21:13 Damage bonus is +1d8, vs Excalibur's +1d10. 21:13 <@Tone> That +1 will eventually equal double damage if you swing it enough times though 21:14 <{Demo}> oh wait amy is this a new quiz 21:14 Excalibur also has a better to-hit bonus (+1d5). 21:14 {Demo}: I dunno; posted it maybe a week or so ago 21:15 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 21:15 * jonadab is now imagining Tone streaming slex on Friday nights. 21:15 <{Demo}> yeah im thinking of one from months ago 21:15 {Demo} if you didn't take this quiz yet you should also participate *bundlebundlebundle* :D 21:16 it takes only about 5 minutes 21:16 <@Tone> I don't think I know enough about slex to take a quiz on it 😄 21:16 <@luxidream> unsurprisingly, when questioned about things that only amy would know, people get questions wrong 21:17 @Tone: you don't have to know all that much about it, just guessing on the stuff you're unfamiliar with is also fun ;) 21:17 jonadab, against small monsters the lower damage bonus is exactly compensated by the better base type; against large monsters Excalibur does slightly more damage 21:17 @luxidream yeah, but with only 4 possible answers per question (of which 1 is correct) there's statistically a 25% chance to get it right 21:19 LarienTelrunya: Program a computer to take the quiz repeatedly, by just randomly picking from the 4 choices. 21:19 It'll be totally random. 21:19 jonadab: yes, and by running that algorithm often enough the success rate for all questions will approach 25% ;) 21:19 I've had statistics courses too 21:20 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 559 points, 3263 turns, killed by a gnome 21:20 but what I find interesting is that with humans trying to answer the questions, some of them have far below a 25% success rate 21:20 LarienTelrunya: Your sample size is probably less than ten thousand. 21:21 i.e. some questions I mean (well actually some participants also scored less than 25% of points :D) 21:21 So the margin for error on that 25% is high. 21:21 haha yeah I guess it's not really statistically significant 21:21 my PhD thesis supervisor once said "if you present statistics, any sample size below 100 is not statistically significant!" 21:22 When I was in about third grade, I had myself convinced that dimes turn up tails about 60% of the time. I flipped a dime 100 times to determine this fact. 21:22 heh yeah, even with 100 there's still quite some error 21:22 60 +- 10 or so IIRC? 21:22 Depends what you want your confidence level to be. 21:23 actually there's a formula tool in excel that calculates it based on the actual results :P 21:23 But the short version is, 100 is a very small sample size. 21:23 oh cool, someone took the quiz! {Demo}, was it you? 21:23 Even 1000 is a pretty small sample size in the scheme of things. 21:25 <{Demo}> yeah 21:25 <{Demo}> i got owned pretty hard which is good 21:27 [US] [D]: chromatic (Arc-Dwa-Fem-Law), 289 points, 858 turns, killed by a giant rat 21:27 {Demo}: actually you were one of the best participants with that score 21:28 what was your score? 21:28 <{Demo}> like a 50% 21:28 dayum 21:29 i had 13/30 i think 21:29 iirc 21:31 need to go to bed now, night guys! 21:32 sleep well 21:32 <{Demo}> dream of shoes 21:34 [EU] [D]: joes (Ran-Orc-Fem-Cha), 15719 points, 11569 turns, killed by an owlbear, while frozen by a monster's gaze 21:34 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Cav Hum Mal Law), 848 points, T:2158, killed by a gnome 21:35 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 21:41 [EU] [D]: amateurhour (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 7021 points, 4327 turns, killed by an invisible nalfeshnee 21:45 ^ entirely avoidable (one-hitted a floating eye before tho), and was actually going well 21:54 [US] [D]: misifus (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 726 points, 917 turns, killed by a giant mimic (and 34 other games not reported) 21:54 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 22:03 [US] [D]: SkydiveMike (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 157 points, 888 turns, killed by a sewer rat (and 9 other games not reported) 22:13 [US] [D]: chromatic (Arc-Dwa-Fem-Law), 506 points, 1896 turns, killed by a jaguar 22:15 [US] [D]: HanClinto (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 2975 points, 3279 turns, killed by a giant rat, while frozen by a monster's gaze (and one other game not reported) 22:16 [US] [D]: allanb (Mon-Hum-Mal-Law), 4209 points, 5276 turns, killed by a gold golem 22:18 [US] [D]: whendricso (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 2419 points, 4436 turns, killed by an ice vortex 22:19 -!- GreenScreen has left #hardfought 22:23 [US] [D]: HanClinto (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 122 points, 242 turns, killed by a gnome 22:31 [US] [D]: quervo1 (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 18 points, 115 turns, killed by an exploding wand 22:47 [hdf-us] [nh363] Lachtain (Sam Hum Fem Law), 0 points, T:1291, died of starvation 22:48 -!- Grasshopper_ has joined #hardfought 22:49 -!- Porkman has joined #hardfought 23:10 [US] [D]: misifus (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 1728 points, 1913 turns, killed by a wand (and 6 other games not reported) 23:14 -!- tonehack has joined #hardfought 23:20 [hdf-us] [nh363] Lachtain (Val Hum Fem Law), 0 points, T:73, choked on a food ration 23:21 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 23:25 [US] [D]: scorchgeek (Arc-Dwa-Fem-Law), 371 points, 1099 turns, killed by an orcish dagger 23:28 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 23:30 -!- ichbinmiah has joined #hardfought 23:35 [US] [D]: chromatic (Arc-Dwa-Fem-Law), 1641 points, 2250 turns, killed by a land mine 23:37 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Cav Hum Mal Law), 1328 points, T:2501, killed by a fall onto poison spikes 23:44 NetHack 363-hdf updated (all servers) 23:44 ^ official 'beta' status 23:47 [hdf-us] [nh363] k2 (Cav Dwa Mal Law), 8 points, T:124, killed by a goblin 23:47 !lastgame k2 23:47 K2: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/nethack/dumplog/1572956578.nh.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/splicehack/dumplog/1573414406.splice.html | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/splicehack/dumplog/1573414501.splice.html 23:48 YANI: Make Excalibur's base stats just so-so, but allow you to perform further feats to enhance its power as you progress through the game. Things like: slaying a dragon, returning to King Arthur with the Quest complete, re-dipping it into a fountain at a high XL, etc 23:50 <@rikersan> being crowned as lawful as well, probably 23:50 yes good idea 23:50 normally that just gives you excalibur but most people who are getting crowned wielding a long sword will already have it 23:51 <@rikersan> exactly, which is why I suggested it :) 23:51 <@rikersan> I think when I get crowned for excal it's generally to unrestrict long sword 23:55 <@luxidream> you don't need to create excal to unrestrict long sword when crowning 23:55 <@luxidream> it's like how wizards unrestrict broadsword when they receive the spellbook of finger of death 23:56 <@rikersan> that should read *with excal 23:56 <@Tone> ha, didn't realize that 23:56 <@rikersan> but yea I've done that with sabers or similar while getting excal 23:56 -!- Hratt has joined #hardfought 23:59 or excalibur realizes its full power when reunited with its scabbard 23:59 these are all some cool ideas 23:59 <@luxidream> the scabbard that gives regeneration? 23:59 and excellence 23:59 the scabbard of regeneration and excellence