00:01 <@bubbles> Though I guess very few non English people will know the glory of greggs 00:04 Well, Scottish people, Welsh people, etc... 00:07 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Pir Inf Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a gold spherical amulet on an altar, on T:3316 00:08 [EU] [D]: noims (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 2806 points, 3472 turns, killed by a giant beetle 00:10 <@bubbles> Pink yes northern English and western English! 00:11 Don't confuse the Americans about that more :-( 00:13 <@bubbles> \o/ 00:14 ___)\_____\o/___ 00:15 [US] [D]: tinklebear (Pri-Hum-Mal-Cha), 4644 points, 4664 turns, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted yeti 00:18 [US] [D]: thegame (Bar-Orc-Mal-Cha), 2903 points, 4855 turns, killed by a bolt of cold 00:22 -!- ruffni has joined #hardfought 00:23 [US] [D]: Entitas (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 5218 points, 3938 turns, petrified by tasting cockatrice meat 00:28 -!- ichbinmiah has joined #hardfought 00:37 <@bubbles> ok what the cuss 00:37 <@bubbles> @rikersan I just found rod of the ram and limited moon on the same level, dlvl6 00:37 [US] [D]: allanb (Tou-Hum-Fem-Neu), 170 points, 648 turns, killed by a hobbit 00:38 <{Demo}> ooh, a full limited moon 00:38 <{Demo}> i think? 00:38 <{Demo}> !pom 00:38 {Demo}: The moon is full for 2 more days. 00:38 <@bubbles> yeah 00:38 <@bubbles> but it is nerfed right? 00:38 <{Demo}> yeah 00:38 <{Demo}> still kicks ass that earlyu 00:38 <@bubbles> axes are marionnetnet too 00:40 <@bubbles> I could drain my pw I guess 00:43 [hdf-eu] [dnh] bubbles (Bin Orc Mal Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2777 00:46 <@bubbles> and a magic lamp from minetown 00:47 <@bubbles> and mres hands 00:48 [US] [D]: tinklebear (Mon-Hum-Mal-Cha), 2599 points, 1394 turns, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted watch captain 00:49 [hdf-eu] [dnh] bubbles (Bin Orc Mal Non) was given the Pen of the Void, on T:4870 00:50 [US] [D]: mangotiger (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 16109 points, 15117 turns, killed by a watch captain 00:51 <@bubbles> go team watvh 00:52 <@rikersan> @bubbles start quaffing cursed gain energy 00:52 <@rikersan> limited moon does full 3x damage if you have 0 max energy 00:52 <@rikersan> technically it probably does if you have 0,1,2, but i'm not certain about that 00:54 [US] [D]: JohnKeel (Pri-Hum-Fem-Law), 257 points, 1146 turns, killed by a brown mold 00:56 [US] [D]: Cromo (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 1181 points, 1541 turns, killed by a rock mole 00:57 [US] [D]: krm26 (Arc-Hum-Fem-Law), 5822 points, 6440 turns, killed by a soldier ant 01:00 [US] [D]: Cromo (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 188 points, 337 turns, killed by a kobold 01:01 <@bubbles> oh 3x I thought it was 2x 01:01 <@bubbles> shame I can't get axe skill for ages 01:03 <@bubbles> also I have poly control and an amulet of change 😮 01:03 <@rikersan> that doesn't work 01:03 <@rikersan> change is gender 01:03 <@bubbles> ahh 01:03 <@bubbles> I found a poly trap 01:04 <@bubbles> B ut polyself seems to wear off after 1k turns or so 01:04 [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Arc Hum Fem Law), 8274 points, T:3870, killed by a giant beetle 01:07 [US] [D]: allanb (Tou-Hum-Fem-Neu), 2358 points, 2341 turns, killed by a dwarf, while sleeping 01:07 [hdf-us] [spl] krm26 (Arc Hum Fem Law), 145 points, T:434, sent to the grave by a small mimic 01:07 <@rikersan> you want an amulet of unchagning bubbles 01:07 <@rikersan> that'll lock in a polymorph until you die (and then you jstu die, no reverting form) or you take it off, when it resumes the timer 01:13 <@bubbles> Ok will play with that later, must sleep now 01:13 <@bubbles> nn all 01:15 [US] [D]: Cromo (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 426 points, 1433 turns, killed by Ms. Klodzko; the shopkeeper 01:17 [US] [D]: Cromo (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 50 points, 209 turns, killed by a sewer rat 01:22 [US] [D]: JohnKeel (Pri-Hum-Fem-Law), 368 points, 1267 turns, killed by a black pudding 01:28 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 01:29 [US] [D]: Cromo (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 312 points, 684 turns, killed by a dwarf 01:29 @bubbles [backscroll] I can't connect to your qbin.io site. 01:30 [US] [D]: Smugzug (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 1878 points, 3179 turns, killed by an orcish arrow 01:30 any Priest experts online? I need help with mid-to-late-game weapons. Is there something good I should wish for or should I try #praying? At Xp:8 and getting by with unihorn, but I doubt this will work into mid-late game. 01:30 <@rikersan> lawful? 01:30 chaotic 01:31 <@rikersan> you could get crowned for stormbringer probably 01:33 ok - I've ascended many times, but I've never gotten crowned, ever... ...what's the procedure? do I #pray whenever possible (keep track of timeouts and #offer to shorten timeouts) until I get crowned? 01:33 [US] [D]: jmcunx (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 4109 points, 6439 turns, killed by a tiger 01:34 [US] [D]: Cromo (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 227 points, 495 turns, killed by a dwarf 01:44 -!- Kontroller has joined #hardfought 01:46 basically 01:46 ic - thx 01:47 [hdf-us] [nh363] fcloud (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:44258 01:48 best way to get crowned as far as I know, is to max luck out, then pray while standing on a coaligned altar... and if you dont get crowned the first time, sac until it;s safe to pray again, and just repeat until you get crowned 01:49 @TheGame20 that feels almost like just going for a GIFT - that's why I always get confused 8^P 01:49 but I'll try it - at Mimic of the Mines atm looking for luckstone 01:50 [US] [D]: Cromo (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 251 points, 1885 turns, killed by a giant rat, while fainted from lack of food (and one other game not reported) 01:52 [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Arc Hum Fem Law), 333 points, T:548, killed by a tower of flame 02:00 [US] [D]: Cromo (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 467 points, 741 turns, killed by a little dog 02:03 [US] [D]: jmcunx (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 610 points, 1676 turns, killed by a giant ant 02:05 [AU] [D]: djm2000 (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 6050 points, 4929 turns, killed by an ape 02:15 [US] [D]: shadowcat (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 28266 points, 14041 turns, killed by an owlbear 02:17 -!- Tangles_ has joined #hardfought 02:17 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Tangles_] by ChanServ 02:21 [US] [D]: tinklebear (Mon-Hum-Mal-Neu), 11917 points, 4684 turns, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted ogre king 02:29 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 02:29 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 02:33 YANI: Autogehennom. 02:37 <@luxidream> Autogehennom is not the answer. 02:38 <@ShivanHunter> YANI: gehennom overrun by orcs 02:38 [hdf-eu] [nh363] Vis (Tou Hum Mal Neu) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon him by The Lady, on T:8560 02:39 <@ShivanHunter> orcorcustown 02:39 [hdf-us] [nh363] fcloud (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "uncursed magic marker", on T:47247 02:40 [hdf-us] [nh363] fcloud (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 grey dragon scale mail", on T:47248 02:41 [EU] [A]: Anerag (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 2605574 points, 32849 turns, ascended 02:41 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Anerag/tnnt/dumplog/1573453461.tnnt.html 02:42 [hdf-us] [nh363] fcloud (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed wand of polymorph", on T:47270 02:43 [US] [D]: Xaleth (Pri-Hum-Mal-Cha), 400 points, 857 turns, killed by a water moccasin 02:45 [US] [D]: fionna (Kni-Hum-Fem-Law), 8595 points, 6921 turns, killed by a leocrotta 02:50 [US] [A]: klintos (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 3039340 points, 47254 turns, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/klintos/tnnt/dumplog/1573145142.tnnt.html 02:58 [US] [D]: tinklebear (Sam-Hum-Fem-Law), 3747 points, 1252 turns, killed by a thrown potion 02:58 [US] [D]: bebing (Arc-Hum-Mal-Neu), 1892 points, 2462 turns, killed by a dwarf 03:00 [US] [D]: Smugzug (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 2226 points, 4284 turns, killed by a sewer rat, while frozen by a monster's gaze 03:01 -!- cherryh.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ ¤ public irc logs available on website ¤ ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ¤ TNNT 2019 has begun! Good luck and have fun all! 03:01 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Croesus] by ChanServ 03:01 [hdf-us] [nh363] fcloud (Val Dwa Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:48204 03:01 [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Ran Dro Fem Cha), 197 points, T:231, killed by a marid 03:02 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1061 points, T:1692, killed by a soldier ant 03:02 [hdf-eu] [nh363] Vis (Tou Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:10919 03:08 [hdf-us] [nh363] fcloud (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 cloak of protection", on T:48437 03:08 [hdf-us] [nh363] fcloud (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 boots of speed", on T:48438 03:09 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 308 points, T:262, killed by a gnome, while praying 03:10 [US] [D]: Dakira (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 393 points, 1987 turns, killed by a kobold lord, while frozen by a monster's gaze 03:14 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 281 points, T:474, killed by an acidic corpse 03:27 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 1672 points, T:2540, killed by a bolt of lightning 03:28 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 128 points, T:213, killed by a sewer rat 03:29 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 03:45 [US] [D]: thegame (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 1692 points, 2514 turns, killed by a giant spider 03:53 [hdf-us] [nh363] RyanHill (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 979 points, T:1303, killed by a pony 03:54 -!- tolkien.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ ¤ public irc logs available on website ¤ ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ¤ TNNT 2019 has begun! Good luck and have fun all! 03:54 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Croesus] by ChanServ 04:04 [US] [D]: klintos (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 2713 points, 4416 turns, killed by a crossbow bolt 04:09 [US] [D]: fionna (Kni-Hum-Fem-Law), 704 points, 2371 turns, killed by an imp 04:10 [AU] [D]: Andrio (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 348 points, 854 turns, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted bat 04:12 v.strange - when I throw comestibles at pets, they keep missing (Dx:16) 04:12 What food, what pet, what variant... 04:13 tnnt - candy bar at large dog 04:13 [US] [A]: Bartlem (Val-Hum-Fem-Cha), 1471297 points, 35861 turns, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/B/Bartlem/tnnt/dumplog/1573002240.tnnt.html 04:14 Yuck 04:14 maybe it's just bad luck - slime mold at warhorse was ok 04:15 http://www.statslab.cam.ac.uk/~eva/slashem/pets.html seems to have choked but I would only expect a pet to catch a treat it likes... 04:15 [R] Clan Bane of Rodney advances to rank 10! 04:16 eraserhead97: It's because of the full moon. 04:16 oooh - interesting 04:16 dogs can be distracted by the full moon and won't always catch your treats. 04:18 if you're serious, that's kinda crazy that someone coded that in 8^P 04:19 must've been a dog-owner ^^ 04:19 [US] [D]: klintos (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 648 points, 1325 turns, killed by a rabid rat 04:21 MKoT 1/2 dmg rocks ^^ 04:22 eraserhead97: https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Time - "You have a chance of not being able to tame dogs at night" - so it't only night time during afull moon. 04:23 [US] [A]: efot (Hea-Hum-Mal-Neu), 2715700 points, 46352 turns, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/e/efot/tnnt/dumplog/1573413220.tnnt.html 04:23 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 04:23 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523] by ChanServ 04:24 Beholder: messages? 04:25 [Tr] efot now has Great Healer and Lesser Healer! 04:25 [R] Clan The Strong and the Bad advances to rank 5! 04:32 [US] [D]: tinklebear (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 3684 points, 4070 turns, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted Woodland-elf 04:32 [US] [D]: Bartlem (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 1284 points, 2353 turns, killed by a dwarf zombie 04:35 -!- JonathanHanes has joined #hardfought 05:00 -!- Tangles has joined #hardfought 05:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Tangles] by ChanServ 05:03 -!- Cevn has joined #hardfought 05:19 [US] [E]: Luxidream (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 3019 points, 1702 turns, escaped 05:24 [US] [D]: EndlessMike (Mon-Hum-Mal-Neu), 567 points, 1204 turns, killed by a gnome lord 05:30 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 05:31 [US] [D]: Luxidream (Pri-Hum-Fem-Neu), 2753 points, 3813 turns, killed by a werewolf 05:34 [US] [D]: klintos (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 342 points, 1516 turns, killed by a little dog 05:42 [US] [D]: tinklebear (Wiz-Orc-Fem-Cha), 364 points, 1174 turns, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted wererat 05:43 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 05:45 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 265 points, 381 turns, killed by a coyote 05:45 [US] [D]: mangotiger (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 2739 points, 2000 turns, killed by a dwarf (and one other game not reported) 05:47 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 120 points, 490 turns, killed by a fox 05:48 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 77 points, 111 turns, killed by a fox (and one other game not reported) 05:48 <@ShivanHunter> >tfw I've been playing nethack for literally 15 years and I only just found out invisible stalkers can fly 05:54 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 444 points, 1536 turns, killed by a giant bat, while reading a book 05:57 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 179 points, 905 turns, killed by a fox 05:58 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 37 points, 288 turns, killed by a newt 05:58 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 30 points, 100 turns, killed by a jackal 06:00 Current Day as of 2019-11-12 06:00 UTC: Games: 70, Asc: 4, Scum: 14. 300809 turns, 9970371 points. 4d 03:55 gametime. (41%Wiz), (66%Hum), (48%Neu), (52%Mal), 18d 17:59 remaining. 06:15 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 1922 points, 3173 turns, killed by a dust vortex 06:17 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 399 points, 437 turns, killed by a giant bat 06:22 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 06:32 crapola - unihorn ain't gonna cut it in castle - gonna retreat 8^P 06:38 [AU] [D]: Andrio (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 900 points, 1308 turns, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted pony 06:44 when doing sac-fests, should I pick an altar that is deeper in the dungeon or it doesn't make a difference? I need to get Stormbringer somehow (either GIFT or CROWN)... 06:45 Whatever's more convenient. 06:45 eraserhead97: I usually have my stash by the altar, and then I prefer a deeer lvl altar. but if you need something it doesn't matter where it is located 06:47 thx - I'll stay at Dlvl:3 near the stash then - got a bazillion altars this game (3,6,16,19,23,24) but no sac-gifts yet 8^P 06:47 <@luxidream> It’s easier to get more luck sacrifices at a deeper level than at a lower one 06:47 finally got the create monster spellbook 06:47 <@luxidream> So crowning is faster 06:48 oh - that's what I thought - I'll go for the one on 24 then - tyvm ^^ 06:48 <@luxidream> monsters at a deeper level are more dangerous but more likely to leave corpses 06:48 that makes sense 06:50 [US] [D]: epsilon (Tou-Hum-Fem-Neu), 873 points, 3881 turns, poisoned by an orcish arrow 06:51 -!- dbanethacker has joined #hardfought 06:51 Hi admins - I might have found another issue with TNNT. Not a problem, just an observation. 06:53 When I go through the Rogue level, I can't see the board becuase it defaults to RogueEpyx. No problem, I change it to Plain. 06:53 Then I can see the level just fine. 06:53 board? 06:54 The issue is when I step off the level. The game doesn't remember that I had changed it to Plain. It goes back to Rogue Sim Set (sp?) 06:55 It's level 18, and the option is Roguesymset. I change it from Epyx to plain. The issue is that it doesn't retain my change when I go to dungeon level 17 or 19 06:55 Sorry, what do you mean by board? 06:56 oh, not board - the screen is what I mean. I can't see the rooms very well because of the bad characters everywhere. 06:56 What do you mean by board? 06:56 ah 06:56 You can put that in your config file. 06:56 yes, sorry. board = dungeon level 06:57 Ok, I'll try that. But my observation is that when I go off the level, from dungeon level 18 to either 17 or 19, shouldn't it remember that I had changed it from Epyx to Plain so that when I go back to level 18 it doesn't look like a bunch of gobbledygook? 06:57 Just a passing observation. Not a problem, just wondering if it was intended that way. 06:58 If you changed it in the options menu, it should at least persist until you save 06:58 Yes, I changed it in the options menu. Then I save my game. When I come back, it's as if I hadn't made the change. 06:58 Ah 06:58 Not all options are saved in your save file and are instead reloaded from your config file. 06:59 I'll change it in my .rcfile and see if that is a permanent fix. It should be. 06:59 mm 06:59 I see - okay, well, onward ever deeper! 06:59 Good luck 06:59 2u2 ! 07:04 well, well... I'm OOM - got Orcrist and Sting, but no Stormbringer yet - 'til next time 07:05 got some friendly Woodland-elfs that I could sac - but don't like being followed around by demons 8^) 07:06 I'll go farm on Medusa's Lair until I get my mana back 07:14 [AU] [D]: Andrio (Bar-Hum-Fem-Neu), 1830 points, 2010 turns, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted gnome king 07:14 [US] [D]: fionna (Kni-Hum-Fem-Law), 1733 points, 2565 turns, killed by a paper golem 07:15 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 07:15 [US] [D]: epsilon (Tou-Hum-Fem-Neu), 195 points, 681 turns, killed by an invisible large kobold 07:17 @luxidream woohoo! it worked! my first crowning >EVER< - ty ^^ 07:31 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 07:35 [EU] [D]: RandomHacker (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 270 points, 1157 turns, killed by a little dog 07:35 -!- kritixilithos has joined #hardfought 07:38 [hdf-eu] [nh363] Vis (Tou Hum Mal Neu) had Dragonbane bestowed upon him by The Lady, on T:13490 07:41 [hdf-eu] [nh363] Vis (Tou Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:13981 07:42 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 2645 points, 4387 turns, killed by a wolf 07:46 [US] [D]: fionna (Kni-Hum-Fem-Law), 1527 points, 2449 turns, killed by a dwarf king 07:51 (0:1) T^T 07:54 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 73 points, 344 turns, killed by a grid bug 07:55 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 101 points, 431 turns, killed by a sewer rat 07:56 Go Raisse ! Get killed by everything possible (grin!) 07:58 Stormbringer+MKoT is a rockin' combo ^^ 08:11 <@ShivanHunter> g - an uncursed magic marker (0:96) 08:11 <@ShivanHunter> PRAISE RNGESUS 08:15 [EU] [D]: RandomHacker (Bar-Orc-Fem-Cha), 625 points, 2250 turns, killed by a pony 08:33 -!- jilles has joined #hardfought 08:35 [EU] [D]: arckex (Pri-Hum-Fem-Neu), 316 points, 1265 turns, killed by a small mimic 08:41 -!- spontiff has joined #hardfought 08:46 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 5466 points, 8151 turns, killed by a soldier ant 08:51 [EU] [D]: arckex (Pri-Hum-Fem-Neu), 890 points, 2015 turns, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted gnome 09:01 [EU] [D]: joes (Pri-Elf-Mal-Cha), 304 points, 1356 turns, killed by a bolt of cold, while fainted from lack of food 09:02 [US] [D]: eraserhead97 (Pri-Elf-Mal-Cha), 262973 points, 17687 turns, killed by a barbed devil, while paralyzed by a monster 09:10 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 3363 points, 8768 turns, killed by a wolf, while fainted from lack of food 09:17 -!- stennowork has joined #hardfought 09:20 [EU] [D]: joes (Bar-Orc-Fem-Cha), 238 points, 401 turns, killed by a little dog 09:22 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 09:32 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 09:39 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 64 points, 299 turns, killed by a water moccasin 09:57 [AU] [D]: Andrio (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 8547 points, 6339 turns, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted gray unicorn 09:59 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 2238 points, 4695 turns, killed by a soldier ant 09:59 -!- eraserhead97 has joined #hardfought 10:04 [EU] [D]: elenmirie (Bar-Hum-Mal-Neu), 5542 points, 5241 turns, killed by a vampire bat 10:04 [EU] [D]: joes (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 640 points, 2681 turns, killed by a guard (and one other game not reported) 10:10 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 10:10 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 10:10 weird - did the code change recently for touchstones? when I rub a blessed touchstone against unknown gems, I get "scritch, scritch". (the gray stone came from an archaeologist bones, so I'm assuming it's a touchstone) 10:12 sounds like a bug 10:12 unless the gem is metallic for some reason 10:13 aye - I'm getting the behavior in the current tnnt release 10:13 I mean live tnnt 10:14 I'll log a bug into the system - devs must know if any code has changed recently (should be diffable) 10:17 hmm 10:17 the code was touched recently 10:17 it was related to the butterfiles bug 10:17 ahh... ...as I suspected 10:18 lets see 10:19 here is the commit https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/commit/423bce2bf62abe1b941f452695f106bd30f32f4c 10:19 no wait, never mind 10:19 or hm 10:20 -!- Porkman has joined #hardfought 10:20 wait, I'm not hallucinating, but I AM BLIND 10:20 When I ascended last weekend the touchstone worked as expected. 10:20 so maybe it's NOT A BUG 10:21 xD 10:21 sounds like it's right - If I'm rubbing while BLIND, all I can hear is "Scritch, Scritch" - stennowork's comment about hallucinating made me check 8^P 10:21 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 713 points, 1799 turns, killed by a rabid rat 10:22 https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/blob/15dbf661d96d98332718b71ebd3e42bd1a1e5bf9/src/apply.c#L2387 10:22 So if not blind you see streaks or scratch marks but there's no message regarding what you hear? 10:22 when you are blind, you will always get the scritch message 10:22 hahaha - you're right - there should also be sound! rofl 10:22 not a bug 10:23 in the weird world of nethack you either get the sound or the id, not both - hehehe 10:24 sanity-check reveals that I was insane 10:24 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 51 points, 183 turns, killed by a fox 10:24 its a bit of a bizarre mechanism 10:24 i wonder if it was intended that way 10:25 this implies that you can identify a touchstone reliably by being blind 10:26 DANG - good point! 10:26 you can always reliably ID one 10:26 can you try with a normal other stone? 10:26 you just have to rub it on metal 10:26 and you don't need metal 10:26 well...what do the other stones do while blind 10:26 rub a flint or luckstone on a gem while blind n see 10:26 I was missing metal in my last Priest run (relying on unihorn) 10:27 ah no 10:27 you'd get 'scritch scritch' for any gray stone 10:27 -!- spontiff has joined #hardfought 10:27 so all is fine 10:28 so all gray stones will scritch scritch against gems, but touchstones are special - in addition, they will scritch scritch against metal 10:29 It's not 100% consistent. You should be hearing "scritch, scritch" regardless of whether you are blind or not. 10:29 that's true 10:30 ok - time for some Zzz's - that's my TIL for nethack - gn ^^ 10:31 dito :) 10:38 [EU] [D]: elenmirie (Bar-Hum-Mal-Neu), 5707 points, 5046 turns, killed by a mind flayer 11:13 [AU] [D]: Andrio (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 2471 points, 3433 turns, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted soldier ant 11:17 [hdf-eu] [nh363] Vis (Tou Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed greased bag of holding", on T:15520 11:18 [EU] [D]: wvc (Val-Hum-Fem-Neu), 3375 points, 2585 turns, killed by a dart 11:22 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 11:22 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 11:30 [AU] [D]: Andrio (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 1066 points, 1587 turns, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted pony 11:33 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 11:41 [EU] [D]: Merlek (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 7202 points, 5789 turns, killed by a black unicorn 11:43 I wonder if 'scritch scritch' is another case that mistakenly ignores Deaf. 11:44 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 11:44 yes it is. 11:44 @Tone you still wrting a list? 11:44 yes it is 11:44 vanilla bug 11:45 should i report? do you want to? 11:46 i will jsut report it 11:46 [US] [A]: porkman (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Cha), 2768302 points, 47502 turns, ascended (and 39 other games not reported) https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/p/porkman/tnnt/dumplog/1573376948.tnnt.html 11:46 grats Porkman 11:47 that should complete the great wizard for our team 11:48 stennowork: if he's writing a list, better to give them all at once than to pelt them with individual cases 11:48 and when is the list complete? 11:48 when do you plan on sending the list? 11:49 I suppose when we go a certain amount of time with no one else finding any 11:50 [Tr] porkman now has Both Genders! 11:51 [EU] [D]: Merlek (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 1024 points, 1511 turns, killed by a dingo 11:52 <@bubbles> Tone has a list? 11:52 <@bubbles> Of everyone who's naughty and nice! 11:52 [AU] [D]: Andrio (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 2354 points, 2696 turns, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted watch captain 11:52 Porkman, congratulations on your multitude of genders 11:52 Am I on both of them? 11:53 Andrio, on neither 12:00 Current Day as of 2019-11-12 12:00 UTC: Games: 109, Asc: 5, Scum: 17. 458041 turns, 13067189 points. 5d 21:59 gametime. (39%Wiz), (59%Hum), (50%Neu), (53%Fem), 18d 11:59 remaining. 12:05 [EU] [D]: RandomHacker (Cav-Hum-Fem-Law), 12466 points, 7756 turns, killed by a human mummy, while frozen by a monster's gaze 12:08 [US] [D]: krm26 (Arc-Hum-Fem-Law), 1205 points, 1445 turns, killed by a gnome lord 12:10 <@bubbles> Oh I thought Andrio was asking if he was on both of Pork's genders 12:10 <@bubbles> Verrrry confusing 12:11 [AU] [D]: Andrio (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 1976 points, 2359 turns, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted soldier ant 12:11 oh... I am on those. 12:21 [AU] [D]: Andrio (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 374 points, 1765 turns, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted kitten, while frozen by a monster's gaze 12:22 lay off of the shrooms man 12:22 [EU] [D]: Merlek (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 5383 points, 4261 turns, killed by a giant beetle 12:22 Nah, man 12:27 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 12:28 <@bubbles> Drugs are bad mmmkay 12:36 [US] [D]: krm26 (Arc-Hum-Fem-Law), 782 points, 1061 turns, killed by a gnome 12:36 <@bubbles> !asc dragonspeaker 12:36 @bubbles: [hdf-us] dragonspeaker has not ascended in 163 games. 12:36 <@bubbles> Weird, feels like more than 163 12:38 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 339 points, 525 turns, killed by a werejackal 12:38 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 81 points, 155 turns, killed by a water moccasin 12:41 [EU] [D]: mmj (Arc-Dwa-Fem-Law), 945 points, 2883 turns, killed by a giant spider 12:42 [EU] [D]: Merlek (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 1349 points, 1627 turns, poisoned by an orcish arrow 12:54 [EU] [D]: mmj (Arc-Dwa-Fem-Law), 1108 points, 1568 turns, killed by a hill orc 12:54 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 548 points, 2733 turns, killed by a bat 12:55 <@bubbles> If combat was massively slowed down would people hate it? 12:56 <@bubbles> e.g. if you had reactive defensive abilities, such that when you get hit you can choose to attempt a block/dodge, etc? 12:56 <@bubbles> But if you had to do that on many hits it might become annoying or not? 12:57 Why would you not do that? 12:58 <@bubbles> Not do what? 12:58 <@bubbles> Block? Ah it would based on another Pw stat 12:59 <@bubbles> So you would have to choose which incoming attacks you want to block/dodge 12:59 <@bubbles> As in, it would be a Pw-like thing called "Balance or Reactions" 12:59 <@bubbles> So it would regen moderately fast, but you have to use tactically 13:00 <@bubbles> If you are more vulnerable to one of the attacks than another that you know are going to be used against you maybe you save up some balance for that 13:00 <@bubbles> like lack cold resistance, up against a lich-like thing 13:00 <@bubbles> Might want to block his cold attack rather than some other monster's physical attack 13:01 [EU] [D]: RandomHacker (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 1042 points, 3077 turns, killed by a wand 13:01 <@bubbles> Also making shields more powerful since they would drain less balance than an all-out dodge attempt 13:02 bubbles: its fine if you make levels smaller 13:02 if time spent per level remains the same i think people would be fine with it 13:04 <@bubbles> Gotcha, or fewer enemies 13:04 <@bubbles> Actually that's a really interesting data point to try and mine, I wonder if K2 could gather stuff like average time spent per level etc. 13:04 might want to reconsider zoos ;9 13:04 <@bubbles> Aye 13:04 <@bubbles> I'd prefer fewer, harder enemies in general 13:05 <@bubbles> For me at least, and maybe I am broken, my favourite moments are when I'm searching my inventory every turn of combat, working out exactly what the next best move is, rather than just mowing stuff down 13:05 i think looking into inventory should cost an action 13:06 or at least have some disadvantage to rummaging through your backpack when you have a lich breathing down your neck 13:06 <@bubbles> Well bubblehack open inventory is going to be significantly more restricted 13:07 but i guess it could be fixed by drastically lowering how many slots you have in inventory and add "pocket"-like containers 13:07 <@bubbles> All containers will act like a boh (to a degree) and in return you can carry way fewer items in open inventory, encumbered will be a much bigger combat hit, less big movement hit 13:07 [EU] [D]: snes (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 174740 points, 24042 turns, burned by molten lava 13:07 <@bubbles> ^ ^ ^ 13:07 <@bubbles> You read my mind 13:07 sounds nice 13:07 <@bubbles> Especially stuff like lugging around extra body armour 13:07 combine iron ball with chest and make a cart 13:07 <@bubbles> Fine if you put it away in a sack or whatever, but you shouldn't be able to hold three suits of chain mail in your "backpack" 13:08 <@bubbles> We're not cataclysm yet!!! 13:08 cataclysm? 13:08 <@bubbles> Cataclysm Dark Days Ahead 13:08 <@bubbles> post apocalyptic roguelike, but you need to get shopping trolleys to move your junk around 13:08 never played it 13:08 sounds cool though (postapoc part, not the trolley) 13:09 <@bubbles> I will prototype this active combat 13:09 <@bubbles> I could never get into it much tbh 13:09 roguelikes more advanced than nethack do not survive my attention span very well 13:10 i suppose 'complex' is a better word than advanced 13:10 <@bubbles> Yeah I don't want to make everything TOO weird 13:10 <@bubbles> That's the reason I can't get into slex 13:10 its difficult to find a roguelike more complex than nethack 13:10 the problem with slex is its adding things when it should be removing things 13:10 (complex as in, complex to operate) 13:10 nethack is not so complex 13:10 Dwarf Fortress? 13:10 i find adom much more complex 13:11 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 2040 points, 1807 turns, killed by a Mordor orc called Oggrisairuk of Goragoru 13:11 Murder orcs 13:11 and stretching the roguelike definition far enough you have dwarf fortress yeah 13:11 Well, Dwarf Fortress has an adventure mode 13:12 some roguelike explode the screen with a bunch of "increase stat x,y,z? choose 2 of the following 3 perks, some of which affect which one you get and the ones you have affects which ones are shown" 13:12 when you level up 13:12 dwarf fortress is not a roguelike 13:12 while nethack just goes *ding* 13:12 You feel more confident in your skills. --More-- 13:13 yeah thats all it does. and then it only increases skills you actually use 13:13 so youre not presented with a spiderweb of advancement options when you open the screen 13:13 <@bubbles> nethack has a lot of "hidden" complexity, but the operating interface is much simpler 13:13 <@bubbles> You have a small number of verbs 13:13 "you hit things with axe. want to be better with axe?" 13:13 <@bubbles> That interact in a large number of ways 13:14 lets not mix up complexity with sophistication 13:14 in DF adventure mode, do i have to select which body part i am aiming at 13:14 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 51 points, 408 turns, killed by a kobold 13:14 i mean i would assume that its a bit like fallout 13:15 you have a certain chance to hit a specific body part 13:15 why do you make that assumption 13:15 i never played DF so i dunno 13:15 if you actually declare which body part you want to attack, you get a to-hit malus depending on the 'importance' of the body part 13:15 well because DF goes into very deep detail 13:15 it has damage zones 13:16 most of my character builds in fallout couldn't do that because i liked the perk that makes you shoot more often during a turn 13:16 https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Health_screen 13:16 fallout would make an interesting roguelike 13:16 yes 13:17 its also very approachable by people with an rpg background 13:17 DF is like, 'you have a slightly painful scratch at your left middle finger' or so 13:17 most roguelikes aren't 13:25 <@Tone> aosdict: Yeah I have a few other deaf inconsistencies that I've been keeping track of still 13:25 <@Tone> The instrument stuff took care of a lot of them 13:28 <@bubbles> ... 13:28 <@bubbles> "Tone deaf" 13:28 <@bubbles> chortles 13:29 [EU] [D]: Mandevil (Bar-Orc-Fem-Cha), 22361 points, 8250 turns, killed by a warhorse 13:29