00:00 <@luxidream> @ShivanHunter polyselfless? 00:01 <@ShivanHunter> polymorphing cures disease? 00:02 <@luxidream> cures ill 00:02 <@luxidream> same race polymorph 00:02 <@ShivanHunter> oh bloody hell 00:03 <@ShivanHunter> well the game was going nowhere fast anyway 00:04 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 00:04 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 00:04 heya AntiGulp 00:04 Hi! 00:04 Hello AntiGulp, Welcome to #hardfought 00:04 Helllo Beholder :) 00:05 * K2 pets Beholder 00:05 you're a good boy! yes you are! 00:05 -!- Cevn has joined #hardfought 00:06 [hdf-us] [nh363] SkydiveMike (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 5283 points, T:7839, killed by a rothe 00:08 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Kni Ang Fem Law), 469 points, T:1191, defeated by a gnome lord 00:10 [US] [D]: Cromo (Wiz-Gno-Mal-Neu), 168 points, 805 turns, killed by Ms. Havic; the shopkeeper 00:10 [EU] [A]: noims (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 2633650 points, 51019 turns, ascended 00:10 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/n/noims/tnnt/dumplog/1572862055.tnnt.html 00:11 [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Arc Hum Fem Law), 1511 points, T:2646, killed by a falling rock 00:12 <@Tone> Hey guys, wrapping up last night's game on stream. Currently at the wiztower then going for the amulet and the ascension run. 00:12 <@Tone> Link here: https://www.twitch.tv/tonehack 00:13 -!- eraserhead97 has joined #hardfought 00:16 [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Arc Hum Fem Law) was given Xiuhcoatl, on T:769 00:17 [US] [D]: jmcunx (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 19 points, 311 turns, killed by a jackal 00:18 YANI: Steampunk Role 00:19 …which I’m guessing already exists in slex 00:19 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Val Ang Fem Law) made her first wish - "3 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:1350 00:19 [US] [D]: Cromo (Wiz-Hum-Fem-Cha), 355 points, 758 turns, killed by a wererat 00:19 [hdf-us] [slex] Sanae (Ele Hum Fem Cha) killed Ruggo the Gnome King, on T:5551 00:20 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Val Ang Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:1351 00:20 <@rikersan> antigulp: sounds kinda neat, what would it do? 00:21 Assemble gadgets, perhaps? 00:21 Make contraptions? 00:23 -!- AntiVirus has joined #hardfought 00:24 [EU] [A]: Anerag (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 2730224 points, 48930 turns, ascended 00:24 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Anerag/tnnt/dumplog/1573082580.tnnt.html 00:25 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 00:26 <@rikersan> antigulp: hm kinda like a mechanically focused version of an artificer? pretty sure htey've been proposed before 00:26 <@rikersan> congrats anerag 00:26 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 00:26 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 00:27 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Val Ang Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 speed boots", on T:1361 00:27 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Val Ang Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed +2 gauntlets of power", on T:1364 00:28 <@rikersan> why isn't there an enlightenment spell? 00:29 <@rikersan> YANI: spellbook of probing, acts like a wand but touch-range (t's enlightenment when aimed at self and skilled+ otherwise just probing), divination skill 00:30 <@rikersan> probably lvl 3? 00:30 <@rikersan> touch-range is debatable probably, since it's not very useful in general I'd say (but at skilled enlightenment would be nice) 00:30 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Val Ang Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed bag of holding", on T:1366 00:31 stethoscopes already exist 00:31 <@rikersan> yeah, but they don't do enlightenment 00:31 <@luxidream> level 2 00:31 @rikersan I’m guessing because it makes a lot game elements (identification, when it is safe to pray, the feelings of your god) much more trivial to check. 00:31 <@luxidream> might be op at level 2 in vanilla actually 00:31 <@rikersan> ^ that's why I made it lvl 3 since that's what ID is 00:31 <@rikersan> I think 00:32 <@rikersan> also jilles that was the point - I've personally found that both ! and / or enlightenment are semi rare, but enlightenment is neat 00:32 [hdf-us] [slex] Sanae (Ele Hum Fem Cha), 55695 points, T:5656, killed by disturbing their deity 00:32 It would be an excellent wish 00:32 <@luxidream> wish for...enlightenment?' 00:33 <@rikersan> doesn't sound like a good wish to me personally 00:33 <@luxidream> if it didn't give enlightenment it would be fine at L1 probably 00:33 <@rikersan> my thought was level 3 because it's not quite as good as ID - can't formally ID things, but that it can do god feelings, luck, etc. 00:33 <@luxidream> but enlightenment is such a powerful effect 00:33 Enlightenment can be used to ID a lot of useful things, check luck, check prayer, check god anger, and more. Getting it on command would be incredibly powerful. 00:34 At least in my opinion 00:34 <@rikersan> more powerful than +oID? 00:34 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Val Ang Fem Law) made her first artifact wish - "blessed fixed +2 Acidfall", on T:1371 00:34 [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Arc Hum Fem Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2735 00:34 <@luxidream> maybe have it give enlightenment at expert div, and make it level 2 00:35 <@luxidream> so it at least sees some use when probing is actually useful 00:35 <@rikersan> hm, that might work 00:35 AntiGulp, do you empty wands of enlightenment you find? ;-) 00:35 <@rikersan> basic - stethoscope, skilled - probing wand (inventories?), expert - enlightenment on self 00:35 jilles: I don’t, but I should :) 00:35 [US] [D]: jmcunx (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 847 points, 2377 turns, killed by a gas spore's explosion 00:36 <@rikersan> also antigulp what's up with unlimited moon lol 00:36 @rikersan Unlimited Moon bad 00:36 <@rikersan> is it? it looks pretty bad lol 00:36 I’m working on artifacts right now, I should really fix it 00:36 <@luxidream> what does it do 00:37 <@rikersan> it's +d2 damage normally, but +1 per moon phase level I think 00:37 <@rikersan> i.e. a full moon is like +4 to damage, crescent is +1 00:37 Gains a bonus based on phase of moon. Problem is when I wrote the code, I didn’t fully understand the implications of the moon phase calculation, making it really hard to tell the damage it gets. 00:37 <@rikersan> something along those lines at least 00:37 Also, the damage is poopy and bad 00:37 <@luxidream> yeah this game has doomblad 00:37 <@luxidream> and bat from hell 00:37 <@rikersan> wait, doomblade is in spl? 00:38 <@rikersan> and bat form hell? 00:38 it's OK for a priest, since you can get expert in it 00:38 <@luxidream> yeah 00:38 <@rikersan> jesus 00:38 <@luxidream> yeha 00:38 Yup, but keep in mind they don’t get the flat damage bonus that they did in SLASH'EM 00:38 <@luxidream> obviously they don't do max damage 00:38 <@luxidream> but are still ridiculous 00:38 because that feature was stupid 00:38 <@rikersan> yeah but they're still hella good compared to p much anything else/ 00:38 <@rikersan> can't you get skilled club too though as a priest? 00:39 <@luxidream> expert I think? 00:39 I think expert, right? 00:39 <@luxidream> yeah expert 00:39 <@rikersan> yeah ok so bat from hell is pretty much always gonna be better than unlimited moon lol 00:40 Best splice artifacts are basically Gae Buidhe + Gae Dearg dual wielded / BfH / Acidfall 00:40 <@rikersan> what do the pair do? 00:40 <@luxidream> do they do anything special when dual wielded? 00:40 <@luxidream> individually they seem bad 00:41 <@rikersan> I don't speak weeb 00:41 <@rikersan> also that's wack irish though 00:41 -!- TheGame20 has joined #hardfought 00:41 [US] [D]: hothraxxa (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 16028 points, 9146 turns, killed by a Woodland-elf 00:41 <@rikersan> red and yellow field? 00:41 <@rikersan> I think? 00:41 <@rikersan> it looks like something from an anime 00:42 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diarmuid_Ua_Duibhne#Famous_weapons 00:42 (Also I was watching Fate/Zero when I added them probably, so two things can be correct) 00:43 <@rikersan> last I checked gae wasn't spear but huh 00:43 <@rikersan> guess it's an old irish thing 00:43 <@rikersan> neat 00:43 <@rikersan> also I just confirmed - modern irish that's red / yellow gay (the adjective) 00:43 In Splice, one cancels monsters 1/3 of the time on hit and the other drains levels. 00:44 Because Splice wasn’t gay enough 00:44 <@rikersan> they can specifically be dual wielded? 00:44 ye 00:44 <@luxidream> ignores MR? 00:44 <@luxidream> the cancel 00:44 <@rikersan> doesn't look like it 00:44 <@luxidream> bleh 00:44 <@rikersan> just calls cancel_monst 00:44 <@luxidream> the damage on either isn't great 00:45 AntiGulp: you mean the +20 to damage bonus wasn't well balanced? :P 00:45 <@rikersan> what is bulg supposed to mean 00:46 <@rikersan> tha'ts shop? 00:46 FIQ: Hey guys why don’t we give rouges a guaranteed artifact that does +20 damage hahahaha balanced right 00:46 <@rikersan> didn't know that word 00:46 clearly the slash'em author was a rogue fan 00:46 <@luxidream> well I think 2 legendary weapons can do more than +1d2 and +1d4 00:46 <@rikersan> ah, also weird irish 00:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Arc Hum Fem Law), 13350 points, T:4205, killed by a panther 00:47 lux: Eh, probably. I’m working on rebalancing artifacts right now, then trashing the wiki page. 00:47 <@rikersan> antigulp: are you irish? or just found these from fate/go 00:47 [US] [D]: Smugzug (Bar-Hum-Fem-Cha), 471 points, 2080 turns, killed by a werejackal 00:47 <@luxidream> carnwennan is also awful 00:47 <@rikersan> is that nameable in splice? it's nameable in dnh and it's not bad as an early offhand 00:48 @rikersan originally found through Fate, and also because I occasionally binge read wikipedia pages on legendary weapons. 00:48 carnwennan is super trash 00:48 <@luxidream> +1d3 knife 00:48 <@luxidream> searching and stealth 00:48 <@rikersan> ew 00:48 <@luxidream> incredible weapon 00:48 <@rikersan> +1d10 to magic-seekers (trolls and stuff), stealth when wielded and invoke for invis in dnh 00:48 <@luxidream> I always wanted a +1.5 knife 00:48 <@rikersan> but it's nameable for knights so its' not bad 00:48 so that's why nobody uses white dsm in fh :P 00:48 it grants automatic searching 00:49 I’m of the opinion that there need to be some weaker artifacts to make sacrifice balanced, but carnwennan is absolutely way too weak. I’ve always believed that. 00:49 <@luxidream> there's plenty of garbage in the law pool 00:49 <@luxidream> like 00:49 <@luxidream> vanilla demonbane 00:49 <@luxidream> vanilla sunsword 00:49 vanilla demonbane lol 00:49 <@rikersan> do chaotics have anything good? 00:49 isn't it a long sword 00:49 which is stupi 00:49 <@rikersan> other than stormy 00:49 d 00:50 <@luxidream> riker: no 00:50 <@rikersan> lol 00:50 I ascended my first two games ever using stormy. I love it 00:50 <@luxidream> best pool is probably neutral 00:50 @rikersan [backscroll] Spell of probing has been proposed before; the reason I don't like it is that it breaks consumable-renewable by making the wand obsolete. 00:50 aosdict: you mean like 80% of spells do? 00:50 <@rikersan> aosdict: yeah, that's true, but prbings wands are hella rare imo? 00:50 <@luxidream> but then you fall into the giantslayer -> trollsbane ->ogresmasher black hole 00:50 <@rikersan> here, revised YANI 00:51 <@rikersan> in wand skill variants - merge probing & enlightenment wands 00:51 [US] [D]: bebing (Arc-Hum-Mal-Neu), 530 points, 2256 turns, killed by a dwarf 00:51 FIQ: Well, it's easier to argue against this for a new spell than for fixing an existing spell 00:51 <@rikersan> skilled (or exp) is the cutoff for enlightenment on a self zap 00:51 <@rikersan> are you taking notes fiq :) 00:51 @rikersan actually, I think skilled+ probing gives enlightenment? 00:51 @rikersan Actually that is interesting as a regular vanilla YANI... give enlightenment when self-zapping probing, remove /oEnlg 00:51 and master gives spell list 00:51 <@rikersan> fiq: sounds fine to me :) 00:51 <@luxidream> because you didn't know your spell list...? 00:52 @rikersan the wand already works this way 00:52 <@rikersan> monsters too I presume :) 00:52 @luxidream works on monsters too 00:52 <@rikersan> aosdict: yea I mean IMO they're both rare enough, that's a fine change 00:52 <@luxidream> oh, monster spell list 00:52 <@luxidream> that's useful information 00:52 well, and yours 00:52 right now self zapping probing only gives you a clue to alignment 00:52 but that's less useful 00:52 :P 00:54 [US] [D]: k2 (Pri-Elf-Mal-Cha), 12865 points, 7085 turns, killed by a warg 00:54 [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 2856 points, 4436 turns, petrified by a chickatrice (and 8 other games not reported) 00:55 @luxidream do you think fh still has useless DSM colors? 00:55 I know you are blue DSM master race, but that seems more subjective I think 00:55 there's plenty of ways to resist slowing besides that 00:55 so that shouldn't be a dealbreaker alone 00:56 <@luxidream> worst ones are red, white, yellow 00:56 <@luxidream> name "plenty of ways" 00:56 free action 00:56 <@luxidream> that's one 00:57 just having spare blessed potions of speed 00:57 <@luxidream> that's not resistance, you can just get slowed right after that 00:57 and, of course, blue DSM 00:57 those are the means I think 00:57 <@luxidream> if you're unlucky 00:57 <@luxidream> so you have exactly one other way 00:57 <@luxidream> to resist 00:57 free action is useful overall though, not just to resist slow 00:58 it was a strong trinsic as-is that some people consider critical for Astral 00:58 due to paralysis 00:58 and yeah I figured red and white was the worst ones 00:58 <@luxidream> it's fairly rare to die outright because you don't have free action 00:58 <@luxidream> in vanilla 00:58 <@luxidream> it's mostly a precaution 00:59 idk about yellow, feels like a lesser anti-YASD protection to LS 00:59 that only works on petrification 00:59 <@luxidream> yellow is extremely weak and does functionally nothing most of the time 00:59 in addition to the elemental immunity 00:59 hmmm 00:59 doesn't lack of acid res hurt like 00:59 a lot 00:59 if you happen to be up against yellow dragons 00:59 <@luxidream> crowning gives half acid 00:59 <@luxidream> it's manageable 00:59 and the elemental res is *rare* 00:59 oh, right 00:59 I forgot about that 00:59 lol 01:00 @luxidream Wasn't there just an astral splat today where someone got paralyzed by a priest and then killed by Pestilence? 01:00 idk what to do about red or white 01:00 [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 168 points, 486 turns, killed by a fox (and 9 other games not reported) 01:00 yellow might need a slight buff but I think it's mostly good as-is 01:01 <@luxidream> spork makes red give increase damage 01:01 there is no other way to get stone res without polymorph (and wonder) 01:01 I can't remember, does dtsund-DSM give secondary extrinsics to the scales themselves? 01:02 <@luxidream> $lastgame towardsdawn 01:02 @luxidream: [US] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/t/towardsdawn/tnnt/dumplog/1573161613.tnnt.html 01:02 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/t/towardsdawn/tnnt/dumplog/1572761711.tnnt.html 01:02 this is what you're looking for 01:03 [US] [D]: k2 (Pri-Elf-Mal-Cha), 419 points, 1166 turns, killed by a dwarf 01:03 <@luxidream> not paralysis 01:03 <@luxidream> from experience para-->death has happened only a handful of times to me 01:04 iirc Grasshopper once died to a rotten lump of royal jelly on astral 01:04 that was a bit rough 01:05 @luxidream but what about white 01:05 <@luxidream> give white magical breathing or something 01:05 I don't think pseudo-WW is a very good effect, which is what spork does 01:05 ooh magical breathing 01:05 maybe 01:05 but magical breathing is less powerful in fh now 01:05 <@luxidream> how so 01:05 since somewhat recently 01:05 I made water be a delayed instadeath 01:06 a strangulation timer based on your constitution 01:06 shall i rematch pesty? 01:06 well, not really strangulation thematically, but yeah 01:06 similar to water elementals 01:06 has done for a while 01:06 [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Arc Hum Fem Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2672 01:07 <@luxidream> player is unimpeded by water turbulence when moving 01:07 there was a time when water elementals could engulf you on Water, move outside the bubble, making you die instantly once it expelled you (or died) 01:07 this wasn't really intended to stay in the game for as long as it did 01:08 I meant to implement both features at the same time but burned out for a time lol 01:08 @luxidream Hmm, perhaps give magical breathing + remove water turbulence 01:08 actually I think the term for that trinsic is "swimming" 01:08 already exists ingame 01:08 <@luxidream> does swimming allow you to pick up items from the bottom? 01:08 think so, but not sure 01:09 will check it 01:10 [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Arc Hum Fem Law) wished for "a blessed +3 silver dragon scale shield", on T:2862 01:10 ok so for some reason water turbulence still happens when swimming 01:10 that doesn't really make much sense 01:11 besides this, you're still basically underwater 01:11 <@rikersan> when swimming on top of the water? 01:11 so you can pickup items, etc 01:11 <@luxidream> I don't understand why there is water turbulence in still water 01:11 <@luxidream> like moats 01:12 <@luxidream> is it flowing constantly in a circle? 01:12 just checked 01:12 swimming makes it significantly rarer 01:12 but still possible 01:12 I guess that makes a bit more sense 01:12 but it should probably be even rarer or never happen at all 01:12 atm it's 1/12 vs 1/3 01:12 <@rikersan> oh hm, I've never seen that in dnh while swimming 01:12 <@rikersan> which is kinda funky 01:12 maybe I should make it 1/30, or simply never happen 01:12 <@rikersan> wonder if chris changed that 01:12 <@luxidream> because there are so many sources of swimming in vanilla 01:13 <@luxidream> I think Tone considered becoming a water troll for a turncount speedrun 01:13 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 01:13 actually turbulence is just annoying 01:13 <@luxidream> to deal with 3.6.x water plane 01:13 not really sure if it really adds anything to the game besides flavour and major annoyance 01:13 <@luxidream> with just magical breathing it's impossible to get anywhere 01:13 meh, I'll keep it since water is more accessible in general 01:14 but remove it fro swimming 01:14 completely 01:14 *for 01:14 <@luxidream> and wdsm gives swimming? 01:14 <@luxidream> but you can still get suffocated by water elementals right? 01:14 yes 01:14 yes 01:14 <@luxidream> so that makes it worse than magical breathing in a way 01:15 I suppose 01:15 [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Arc Hum Fem Law), 4498 points, T:3426, killed by a dwarf 01:15 I'm not sure if I have a problem with not making them a nonthreat, but it means WDSM might still be kinda useless 01:15 maybe I should just give both 01:15 WDSM gives waterproof as-is 01:15 so there's already partial water attunement to it 01:16 <@luxidream> well I'll keep a diving suit in FH then 01:16 (waterproof: items are immune to water damage) 01:16 <@luxidream> and let you know how it goes 😛 01:16 Heh 01:16 [US] [D]: jmcunx (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 38 points, 163 turns, killed by a sewer rat 01:19 FIQ: port sea dragons from evilhack, there's your 'water attunement' :P 01:21 [US] [D]: bebing (Arc-Hum-Mal-Neu), 544 points, 1627 turns, killed by a dwarf 01:22 aosdict: heh 01:22 [AU] [D]: Numbgoon (Pri-Hum-Mal-Neu), 119927 points, 23353 turns, petrified by a cockatrice 01:22 <@luxidream> port gelcubes from evilhack 01:22 <@luxidream> :p 01:23 paralyze+strangle? 01:23 or are they different from grunt? 01:24 <@luxidream> oh I forgot it's from grunt 01:25 You and Pestilence 01:25 went to your reward with 2330239 points, 01:25 [US] [A]: porkman (Wiz-Gno-Mal-Neu), 2330239 points, 46934 turns, ascended (and 8 other games not reported) https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/p/porkman/tnnt/dumplog/1572997478.tnnt.html 01:25 [hdf-us] [spl] kdg (Pir Hum Mal Cha), 621 points, T:1284, killed by a bone crossbow bolt 01:26 -!- JonathanHanes has joined #hardfought 01:26 @luxidream remember to include the bug where teleporting yourself out of the cube continues to strangle you to death 01:27 [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 1984 points, 2051 turns, killed by a wererat (and 35 other games not reported) 01:28 I've probably forgotten to handle some of the water elemental escape clauses 01:28 but fh takes care of them during turn end anyway as a fallback 01:29 would still be nice to know if I did though, to fix odd messages 01:30 [hdf-us] [dnh] kdg (Ana Hlf Mal Cha), 1008 points, T:1573, quit 01:30 Porkman: slime+taming? 01:30 no 01:30 or poly in general 01:31 you have to level drain him to lvl 0 01:31 oh regular taming works? 01:31 [US] [D]: Smugzug (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 1081 points, 3000 turns, killed by a dwarf zombie 01:31 that was revenge for him splatting me on astral earlier 01:31 haha 01:31 if he is level drained yeah 01:33 !tell K2 minor change: white dsm gives swimming, magical breathing, also swimming never causes turbulence anymore 01:33 K2 shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, FIQ. 01:33 cool 01:33 K2: Message from FIQ at 2019-11-07 20:33 EST: minor change: white dsm gives swimming, magical breathing, also swimming never causes turbulence anymore 01:33 I could port spork's RDSM change but if possible I'd think of something different 01:33 [US] [D]: ArcaneNH (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 17408 points, 10034 turns, killed by a wumpus 01:33 you should oook at evilhack's dsm changes 01:33 rdsm is fire res + infravision? 01:34 look even 01:34 K2: so we should become the Librarian from Discworld. 01:34 yup 01:35 [hdf-eu] [nh363] Vis (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 178 points, T:302, killed by a gnome lord 01:35 <@luxidream> wow that's so much better than fiqhacks 01:35 <@luxidream> wait 01:36 K2: RDSM in fiqhack gives infravision, see invisible and warning 01:36 evilhack also has DSM passive attacks right? 01:36 [US] [D]: pur (Hea-Gno-Fem-Neu), 832 points, 3619 turns, killed by a homunculus, while fainted from lack of food 01:36 DSM changes are right above this header: https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/FIQHack#Changes_applicable_to_junethack_2018 01:37 K2: your changelog entries for dragon scale mail are so non-vague and enlightening 01:37 aosdict: link 01:37 K2 generally has a habit of not actually telling what he changed 01:37 I'm browsing the evil repo locally 01:37 kinda like vanilla does 01:38 it's an annoying habit 01:38 it's in doc/evilhack-changelog-blahblah 01:38 <@luxidream> part of the evil is not telling players any changes 01:38 <@luxidream> :p 01:39 hmm 01:39 evilhack wiki page lists effects 01:39 I was considering giving red DSM curse res, but it doesn't fit 01:39 more appropriate to GDSM which really doesn't need any buffs 01:39 (gray DSM that is) 01:39 unless something about red color gives curse res :P (the ruby heart also does) 01:40 I think your DSMs are turning into a bit of a dnethack style arms race 01:40 aosdict: Yeah, possible 01:40 But I use GDSM and SDSM as baseline 01:40 If my buffs become stronger than those, then they'd need nerfing 01:41 and I will specifically not buff those 01:41 FIQ you are fake news 01:41 [US] [D]: porkman (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 492 points, 1787 turns, killed by a dwarf 01:41 if they're took weak, that means I overbuffed 01:41 K2: ? 01:41 my commits are actually very verbose 01:41 magic 8ball was completely unmentioned in changelog 01:41 save one or two (on purose) 01:41 had to source dive for stuff 01:41 wut 01:41 no its in the change log 01:41 hm 01:42 since? 01:42 I might have checked when it wasn't 01:42 since the beginning of time 01:42 despite the code definitely being there 01:42 K2: can you explain the wiki page's assertion that CPM's transparency to magic might make some people feel like it's a 'bad thing'? 01:42 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/EvilHack 01:42 "transparency to magic" doesn't appear to have any downsides 01:42 like, spells hit you harder or something? 01:42 note how magic 8ball goes completely unmentioned here 01:42 among new items, etc 01:43 8 ball is mentioned 01:43 and there is no link to a more extensive changelog 01:43