00:00 [US] [D]: Entitas (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 15667 points, 6773 turns, killed by a panther 00:01 [hdf-eu] [dnh] bubbles (Bin Inc Mal Non), 23098 points, T:3619, killed by Ms. Enniscorthy, the shopkeeper 00:02 They are two holes into the same bag 00:03 yeah - that's they way I look at it ^^ 00:05 I must take the washing out brb 00:05 * aosdict is cooking stuffed shells 00:05 as opposed to the same-chest-in-two-places (if that were the case, you would only get one deposit-withdraw cycle) 00:06 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 00:09 aosdict: shells as in shellfish, or like pasta/ravioli? 00:10 tiny/minor bug - if I'm standing on an altar and I wish for an item and my inventory is full - as it drops, there's no BUC-id (happened to me with a magic marker) - will send msg to devs 00:11 bubbles_nh: pasta 00:13 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Bin Orc Mal Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2031 00:14 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Bin Orc Mal Non), 3984 points, T:2191, killed by Mr. Izchak, the shopkeeper 00:14 <@rikersan> damnit 00:14 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 914 points, T:1287, killed by a giant bat 00:14 <@rikersan> eurynome triggered on a conflict ring I was wearing next to izchak 00:14 <@rikersan> counterattacked, pissed him off for real 00:14 ouch 00:14 hahaha 00:14 "£($*& elf kibble 00:15 orc eating lembas 00:15 <@rikersan> that's my bad lol 00:15 <@rikersan> that was gonna be great too 00:15 <@rikersan> I think that was at least 1 magic lamp in izchak and a candle in the tool shop 00:15 ya - I walked up to the VotD priest earlier with a conflict ring on - he whacked me and cursed my blindfold 00:15 <@rikersan> had eurynome & buer for my 2 spirits so far :( 00:16 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 161 points, T:309, killed by a jackal 00:17 <@rikersan> let's try this eurynome/buer thing again shall we 00:17 is there some kind of trophy for spirits? 00:18 <@rikersan> this isn't tnnt 00:18 <@rikersan> also god eurynome's full BAB for unarmed? spicy 00:18 oh ic 00:19 ptah you idiot, crown me already 00:19 <@rikersan> eraserhead: this is just dnh but i'm talking about it in here cuz I know bubbles is also doing a dnh binder right now (diff race) 00:19 <@rikersan> and porkman I know used to "play" dnethack 00:20 dnh is love dnh is truth 00:20 <@rikersan> porkman: nice, he did :) 00:20 <@rikersan> did you find grays? 00:21 yez 00:22 oh shiznit 00:22 ludios! 00:23 -!- stenno\proc has joined #hardfought 00:27 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Bin Orc Mal Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2917 00:29 -!- stenno\proc has joined #hardfought 00:33 -!- TheGame20 has joined #hardfought 00:36 My only issue with binder is buer/eurynome/miska is too strong 00:39 <@rikersan> yes 00:42 @rikersan do you think it would be possible to ascend without binding a spirit (outside the required/automatic quest/otiax)? 00:42 <@rikersan> anything is possible with enough RNG 00:42 <@rikersan> you could probably do a pretty simple quest ones 00:43 <@rikersan> for what it's worth - the only two you are forced to have are otiax & dahlver-nar I think, no others 00:43 I think eurynome's taboo should be if you haven't moved X tiles in Y moves 00:43 <@rikersan> (the quest and otiax like you said, just don't think there's any other reqs) 00:43 <@rikersan> hm that's not a bad idea actually 00:43 <@rikersan> @ChrisANG thoughts? ^^ 00:43 More in keeping with her "style" 00:43 <@rikersan> also somebody ate my goddamn luckstone and I don't know where it went 00:44 [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Bar Vam Mal Cha), 4070 points, T:2357, killed by a gnome 00:44 <@rikersan> at mimic of the mines and I do'nt see it :/ 00:44 <@rikersan> oh well I guess I'll find one later :/ 00:44 Do you think we can get dragonspeaker to join the irc? 00:44 S/he plays so much dnh 00:44 <@rikersan> I may mail him 00:45 Yes! spectate and mail! 00:45 does dnh have coloured hp? 00:46 <{Demo}> yeah you can configure it 00:46 <@rikersan> copy my rc if youw ant 00:46 <@rikersan> I have some curses stuff 00:47 <{Demo}> steal pork's rc 00:47 <@rikersan> that's a better iea 00:47 <{Demo}> he probably porked it anyway 00:47 <@rikersan> I trust porkman more than literally anybody else except nero in terms of understanding dnh intuitively 00:47 <@rikersan> he's literally ascended to becmoe one with the codebase 00:47 <{Demo}> like theres probably at least 100 blessed full healing potions in there 00:48 hah 00:48 <@rikersan> just hidden in his rc? no 00:48 [US] [D]: efot (Hea-Gno-Fem-Neu), 116 points, 507 turns, killed by a fox 00:48 <@rikersan> there's def more than that 00:49 [hdf-eu] [dnh] bubbles (Bin Inc Mal Non), 5011 points, T:2244, absorbing too much energy and exploding 00:49 oh fuck 00:49 i miscounted 00:49 cursed glass of wine innit 00:50 <{Demo}> play ndnh 00:50 ok 00:50 <{Demo}> you can't explode in ndnh 00:50 OK FNE 00:50 FINE 00:50 <{Demo}> well actually you do explode but you don't die 00:50 whyh is an illithibinderalsdjaskld a role not a race? :hmm: 00:50 jugh now I need a new rc file 00:51 <@rikersan> bubbles: how much alcohol do you drnk playing nethack jesus 00:51 <@rikersan> this seems like variety too 00:51 <@rikersan> also eyyyy 00:51 <@rikersan> engagement is conflict! 00:52 @rikersan 1. I had a liver function test because of all the drugs I take and it came back 100% functional 00:52 <@rikersan> that's gonna be funky 00:52 2. My doctor said I did not have a drinking problem 00:52 <{Demo}> LOL 00:52 3. I dunno, like a bottle of wine and a few pints per night? 00:52 drugs = medicine 00:52 <{Demo}> oh 00:52 not sure if there is a semantic difference in American 00:52 <{Demo}> ur doctor sounds rad 00:52 <@rikersan> ^ 00:52 My doctor once told me, after I went in for some depression related bants, "You look like you need a drink" 00:53 "Here's a sick note" 00:53 "Go have fun" 00:53 Honest to god 00:53 But yeah, 100% liver function, I'm like some half-alcohol-dragon 00:53 <{Demo}> what a guy 00:53 I can't look this gift in the mouth 00:53 it's a she {Demo} ! 00:54 <{Demo}> OK still what a guy 00:55 {Demo}: can a brain golem grow up? 00:56 <{Demo}> no but they have high base stats for a starting pet 00:56 {Demo}: also he doens't folow me like in dnh, given his 12 speed (and my 12?) 00:56 So he's level 9 already? :o 00:56 <{Demo}> yeah well hes kind of a dumbass but he's useful to use as a meatshield when fighting spirits 00:57 [US] [D]: Entitas (Mon-Hum-Fem-Neu), 310 points, 1051 turns, killed by a goblin, while frozen by a monster's gaze 00:57 the minute i wish for a hob its just gonna pop up in my game 00:58 [US] [D]: efot (Hea-Gno-Fem-Neu), 973 points, 1641 turns, killed by a falling rock 00:58 Also what the cuss, {Demo} I am not restricted in everything as a binder? 00:58 <{Demo}> you arent a binder 00:58 you can copy my rc file if you need 00:58 <{Demo}> you are the antihesis of a binder 00:58 i ascended the first ACU ^_^ 00:58 vus? 00:59 Porkman: thanks bbz! 00:59 hint: make an incantifier, then summon astaroth, go get the gillystone 00:59 What is an ACU? Agnostic Chirpotean Ummm? 00:59 anachronounbinder 00:59 Porkman: I am not sure if you are talking ndhn or dnh now : 00:59 ndnh 00:59 <{Demo}> bubbles hes talking about the ndnh role you are playing 01:00 <@rikersan> porkman: what does that do? 01:00 -!- stenno\proc has joined #hardfought 01:00 <@rikersan> something stupid I'm sure but what 01:02 I just told a random dude to go to a place to find the amulet 01:02 I hope he doesn't come back! 01:03 {Demo}: illi* should be able to force locks with their tentacle 01:03 astaroth lets you actually do the archipleago 01:03 Also {Demo} / Porkman is it regular dnh wishing rules 01:03 ? 01:03 oldschool 01:03 i.e. I'm safe to name artifacts without crushing my wish chance later 01:03 ugh 01:03 lame 01:03 before the nonsense 3 arti thing 01:04 <{Demo}> its oldschool yeah 01:04 yeah, you can name artis without crushing wish chance 01:04 i mean, dnh oldschool, not vanilla 01:04 <{Demo}> yeah that 01:04 Oh named ones don't affect wishing? 01:04 <{Demo}> no its the old dnh wishing system 01:04 <{Demo}> so yes 01:04 no, named and found ones don't 01:04 <{Demo}> naming and found don't affect wished 01:05 You feel a deep sense of kinship to the tin! Eat it anyway? [yn] (n) 01:05 HMMM 01:05 it had kobolds in it 01:05 <{Demo}> yeah they are scaley 01:05 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 01:05 <{Demo}> and have the reptilian flag 01:06 <{Demo}> which is used for salamanders 01:06 <@ShivanHunter> paxed: Wasn't sure if the bug was a TNNT "permadeaf" bug or a vanilla bug. Went ahead and tested in 3.6.2 and submitted (also another one for magic whistles and instruments). Also submitted one for magic whistles and instruments, since I tested those in 3.6.2 as well 01:06 Hmm what do I need to do to level up :hmm: 01:07 It said something on startup about xlvl but I ignored it 01:07 <@rikersan> summon the dude and punch it to death 01:07 <@rikersan> berith and on are dangerous 01:07 <@rikersan> be careful 01:07 <@rikersan> the rest are relatively straightforward 01:07 <@ShivanHunter> K2: Speaking of bugs related to the permadeaf option, the "You can hear again." message isn't suppressed when deafness (say, from a drum) times out 01:07 <@rikersan> balam is a bitch and doesn't move last I checked so taht's funny 01:07 Ahhhhh 01:07 I see 01:08 <@rikersan> they give xp too but it doesn't matter how much xp you have, you need to kill them first to level up 01:08 So I have to kill the spirits 01:08 <@rikersan> ahazu is useless he does food though 01:08 <@rikersan> yea 01:08 @ShivanHunter a lot of the instruments ones I reported yesterday and have been fixed 01:08 <@rikersan> amon for lvl 2, whatever comes after that for lvl 3 (andre?), etc. 01:08 <@ShivanHunter> ahh 01:09 tone was compiling a list of other ones that haven't been addressed 01:09 the You can hear again thing is on us 01:09 ok andrapeheleusus is scary 01:10 <{Demo}> do keep in mind that you effectively have a spirit bound while its monster is alive 01:10 {Demo}: say what now? 01:11 So i can summon then abandon the level and have all of them bound? 01:11 <{Demo}> no 01:11 <{Demo}> you cannot have more than one alive at once 01:11 I will kill all of them 01:11 I am the antibinder 01:12 <{Demo}> some of them drop unique artifacts 01:12 <@rikersan> from buer on, right? 01:13 <{Demo}> a lot of which are useful for asc kits 01:13 I KILL ALL 01:13 <{Demo}> the first one with a unique arti is... berith i think 01:13 Is there still a gnomish mines? 01:13 <{Demo}> if you choose it 01:13 <{Demo}> from the wizard menu 01:13 but it has no altar 01:13 <{Demo}> the guy that wanted to know where the amulet was 01:13 <{Demo}> yeah instead it has an armorsmith 01:14 <{Demo}> the ones with altars are 50% ice, 100% black forest, and the only with a temple is 100% swamp 01:14 Ah 01:14 I completelye forgot which one I chose 01:14 no 01:14 archipelago has a guaranteed altar 01:14 Should I keep astaroth alive then? 01:14 <{Demo}> oh yeah i forgot arc 01:14 or smash him? 01:14 i always go for archipelago 01:15 my fave 01:15 i am going to smash him 01:15 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] bubbles (Acu Sal Mal Law), 5376 points, T:2039, killed by Astaroth 01:15 I did not smash him 01:15 <@rikersan> i almost punched a chickatrice without gloves 01:15 <@rikersan> RIP 01:15 @rikersan jeez before I had PH but wasn't wearing them and then died to a c 01:15 fml 01:15 Ok colour me intrigued re ndnh 01:16 <@rikersan> I'm not gonna do prem heart yet maybe idk 01:16 doooo ittt 01:16 <@rikersan> it's very not OP endgame when you can get so many arti weapons hitting at once 01:16 !whereis rikersan 01:16 bubbles_nh: [hdf-us] rikersan [dnh]: (Bin Orc Mal Non) T:8930 The Dungeons of Doom level: 12 01:16 <@rikersan> this is quest level, have one lamp 01:16 Ah orc 01:16 <@rikersan> thoughts y'all? orc binder 01:16 <@rikersan> buer, mother, eurynome rn, xp 12 01:16 Hmm, what you gonna do endgame? 01:16 <@rikersan> I'm thinking about droven crossbow + nudziarth actually 01:16 Sack the quest until xl15 and you get intrinsic mr 01:16 <@rikersan> even though it's probably strictly worse than miska 01:17 <@rikersan> ooooh that's very very true 01:17 nudz gives you 2x spell damage no? 01:17 <@rikersan> probably 01:17 Or more ranged as well? 01:17 <@rikersan> it also does exploding obsidian stuff 01:17 Ah cool 01:17 Ahhh yeah 01:17 <@rikersan> droven crossbow + eve means you can make droven bolts that explode with nudz 01:17 True fact 01:17 <@rikersan> that's lapis's invention 01:17 Interesting. What would hellfire do? 01:17 <@rikersan> well not his invention but his idea 01:17 <@rikersan> probably exploding exploding bolts 01:17 who came up with the idea of the binder spirits nawya 01:17 anwyay 01:18 \o/ 01:18 <@rikersan> the 3.5e tome of magic 01:18 Porkman: I suspect someone dnd-ish 01:18 [EU] [D]: phorbin (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 1338 points, 2228 turns, killed by a rope golem, while praying (and 7 other games not reported) 01:18 <@rikersan> and another pathfinder third-party book I believe 01:18 <@rikersan> I was just talking to chris about it 01:18 Every class should be binder but with a different set of 31 near spirits 01:18 fight me 01:18 [hdf-us] [nh363] fcloud (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:35814 01:18 <@rikersan> "pact magic unbound" 01:18 It is the greatest mechanic in any game ever 01:18 <@rikersan> ^^ third party book 01:19 <@rikersan> bubbles: I've considered a necromancer role based on binding/merging with undead, fwiw 01:19 <@rikersan> where you can merge with any kind of undead (inc. uniques, if you've killed them) and gain some intrinsics/ dmg based on that 01:19 Every bubblehack role will be binder-inspired. 01:19 <@rikersan> it's hella similar to binder so i think I ended up making that the power of the QA, similar to the singing sword 01:19 At least inthat I love having so many low-cooldown choices 01:19 sounds like a recipe for not a lot of variety 01:19 [US] [D]: jmcunx (Wiz-Hum-Fem-Cha), 11499 points, 9519 turns, killed by a gargoyle, while fainted from lack of food 01:19 Singing sword is fun 01:19 <@rikersan> aosdict: yep 01:20 aosdict: Just need to come up with a new unique set of 31 spirits for each role 01:20 <{Demo}> idk but i found the pdf 01:20 SIMPLE *cough couh* 01:20 <@rikersan> uh huh 01:20 <@rikersan> :) 01:21 <@rikersan> hm, chaos3 01:21 <@rikersan> that's gonna be FUN with miska 01:21 <@rikersan> since you can miska-arm a two-handed weapon for one arm :) 01:22 miska is only not 100% because of the unihorn 01:22 <@rikersan> ? 01:22 It will hit with the unicorn horn in your inv sometimes 01:23 <@rikersan> ah 01:23 So it won't ALWAYS hit with your other weapon 01:23 <@rikersan> that's wack 01:23 <@rikersan> just get numina + iris I guess 01:23 <@rikersan> also hm found a candle of invokness 01:23 flying boots! 01:23 I think that's my fave thing about new wishing, non-arti wishes are so much less wasted 01:23 <@rikersan> have some! 01:24 <@rikersan> armory :) 01:24 <@ShivanHunter> aosdict: do you have the "gray ooze stops and appears to cringe" on squeaky boards bug listed? It makes sense for humanoid/intelligent monsters, but it looks like it triggers for just anything and it's odd 01:24 hmm 01:24 no 01:24 <@rikersan> dwarf mithil, dwarf helm (I'll find a high-elven here in chaos3 probably), iron gauntlets, starting leather cloak, flying boots 01:24 <@rikersan> considering aegis if I don't want to do eden 01:24 My game progress is defo skewed to "find armory early => good" else " bad" 01:24 feel free to report that yourself 01:24 <@rikersan> !pom 01:24 @rikersan: The moon is at first quarter; full moon in 6 days. 01:24 <@rikersan> damnit 01:25 <@ShivanHunter> on it! 01:25 <@rikersan> no more oopsaxe 01:26 Hmm, can I use same-race polyself to make me un-Satiated? 01:26 [hdf-eu] [dnh] bubbles (Bin Inc Fem Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:706 01:26 welp, I'nm a murder now 01:27 seems like it does make me unsatiated 01:27 interesting 01:27 @riksersan I think refl later is not as required depending on luck with plat/chromatic 01:27 <@rikersan> nice 01:27 <@rikersan> yeah and eden is good 01:28 <@rikersan> I'll probably go ose though for a while 01:28 <@rikersan> since mind blasts are good 01:28 Aye! 01:28 After crowning you can just use premoniion for that 01:28 <@rikersan> ooh true 01:29 <@rikersan> well, I can use premonitino without 01:29 buer/eury/enki/andro/andro are the core I think 01:29 <@rikersan> you mean council of elements 01:29 Yep 01:29 <@rikersan> oh I forgot andro he's so stupid 01:29 Both of them! 01:29 <@rikersan> > weapon_dmg_roll called with <1 die size and non-zero die number! 01:29 <@rikersan> nice, apparently they're STILL broken 01:29 andrre/andro 01:29 [EU] [D]: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 41838 points, 16113 turns, killed by a rock troll 01:29 <@rikersan> guess I'll avoid them like the plague :/ 01:29 <@rikersan> why andre? 01:29 <@rikersan> tele power? 01:29 I think the transdimentional ray late game just for getting mobs the f out of your way is super good 01:30 <@rikersan> ah 01:30 Tele power blocked by amulet 01:30 But +12 ac in corners i think 01:30 + the ray 01:30 <{Demo}> i still stand by unknown god being best for astral 01:30 [hdf-us] [dnh] kdg (Wiz Inc Mal Cha), 3417 points, T:1855, quit 01:30 I wish numina didn't unbind when you change quest/alignment spirit 01:30 Kinda sucks that 01:30 * aosdict isn't quite sure why so much dnh discussion in the middle of tnnt 01:31 <{Demo}> you can change alignment spirits freely now 01:31 <{Demo}> i think 01:31 aosdict: dnh is love dnh is life 01:31 {Demo}: I thought it still pissed numina off? 01:31 <{Demo}> lets test 01:31 aosdict: don't worry I will go back to tnnt this weekend and win us loads of points! 01:31 Also hmm, I killed their captain but the watch don't care 01:32 Heh, this is weird: I'm revgenoing tengu as a lawful, and of course attacking them gets them angry, which knocks my alignment down. So when I summon the next round of tengu, they don't appear peaceful, thus not costing me any more alignment. 01:32 <@rikersan> hm I might go blue dsm for a while 01:32 after playing lots of slashem, un, and DNH/NDNH vanilla feels...lacking 01:32 <@rikersan> it is 01:32 <@rikersan> or I won't go blue dsm 01:32 <@rikersan> thanks djinni very cool 01:32 Porkman: the main problem with slashem is you feel you have to gipsy dance 01:32 I hate it 01:32 <@rikersan> i fought like 8 deep ones for that :/ 01:32 If they removed gipsy wishes I'd play slashem way more 01:33 lol, gipsy dance for a gazillion wishes per game 01:33 ugh 4 geno scrolls down the drain and no teleport control 01:33 Right, igotta sleep 01:33 catch you later 01:34 [US] [D]: GaulGallant (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 1584 points, 3793 turns, killed by a gnome, while praying 01:34 Same Porks 01:34 Seeya all later chappies! 01:34 <{Demo}> oh hey, confirmed you can switch align spirits without losing xlvl and pissing off numina 01:34 * aosdict uses fifth scroll to summon 6 more tengu, all but the last one drops corpse 01:35 * aosdict eats the one corpse and gets teleport control 01:35 nite o/ 01:36 <@rikersan> night k2! 01:37 <@rikersan> orc hp is fun 01:37 ah screw bed the cricket is on 01:37 <@rikersan> 21 con? 145 at lvl 13 :) 01:38 @rikersan soon you can tank ctuhluu 01:38 <@ShivanHunter> why does the RNG love sending me killer bees 01:38 <@ShivanHunter> I feel like Nic Cage over here 01:38 @Shivanhunter to bzzz bzbzb zbzbzzz 01:40 -!- moony has joined #hardfought 01:40 -!- JonathanHanes has joined #hardfought 01:45 ppfft 81 off 9 overs 01:45 please no 01:49 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 487 points, T:605, killed by a bolt of lightning 01:50 [US] [D]: gxe99 (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 8121 points, 7159 turns, killed by a chameleon imitating a master mind flayer 01:52 [US] [D]: Smugzug (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 1452 points, 4031 turns, poisoned by a rotted hobgoblin corpse, while frozen by a potion 01:53 [EU] [D]: Kontroller (Kni-Hum-Mal-Law), 601 points, 1267 turns, killed by an orc zombie 01:53 [R] Clan Order of the Chickatrice advances to rank 17! 01:54 <{Demo}> order of the glockatrice or bust 01:57 -!- Kontroller1 has joined #hardfought 01:58 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 603 points, T:886, killed by a dwarf 02:00 <{Demo}> official order of the glockatrice logo https://i.imgur.com/zkgBPZt.png 02:01 [US] [D]: efot (Hea-Gno-Fem-Neu), 131 points, 522 turns, killed by a boiling potion 02:04 [EU] [D]: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 655 points, 1758 turns, killed by a small mimic 02:07 <@rikersan> bubbles: what does that even mean ("81 off 9 overs") 02:08 [US] [D]: Smugzug (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 458 points, 1947 turns, killed by a dog called Polar 02:09 [hdf-us] [dnh] kdg (Rog Vam Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1612 02:11 [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Kni Clk Mal Law), 1229 points, T:1072, killed by a gnome 02:11 [hdf-eu] [dnh] bubbles (Bin Inc Fem Non), 54934 points, T:6399, killed by a blast of frost 02:11 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Bin Orc Mal Non) was given their Quest, on T:11522 02:12 bubbles_nh: I'm going to the Aus v Pak T20 game tonight. 02:12 good luck @riker babes 02:12 @Tangles nice! 02:13 <{Demo}> I'm going to bed tonight 02:13 I am going to watch the rest of this match from bed though 02:13 I have "work" tomorrow 02:13 bleh 02:13 <@rikersan> thanks bubbles lol 02:13 <@rikersan> ah cricket 02:13 <@rikersan> wacko baseball 02:14 heh. Which match are you watching? NZ/England? 02:14 Yeah! 02:14 Just got big CdG out 02:14 so it's pretty even I'd say 02:15 Weird team selection though, no buttler what the cuss? I guess new players 02:15 But see you all later my good folks! 02:15 Yeah buttler seems an odd omission. Anyway' good night! 02:16 [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 5440 points, 5151 turns, killed by a gargoyle (and 3 other games not reported) 02:18 [US] [D]: efot (Hea-Gno-Fem-Neu), 373 points, 3788 turns, killed by a homunculus 02:20 <@rikersan> oh yeah drain for gain exists 02:21 [US] [D]: Bliss56 (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 286555 points, 41891 turns, killed by an iron golem 02:27 [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 493 points, 1518 turns, killed by an imp (and 11 other games not reported) 02:29 [US] [D]: bebing (Arc-Hum-Mal-Neu), 34531 points, 16794 turns, petrified by a chickatrice 02:35 huh, we still have the 'you now detect it where the vampire bat was' bug 02:36 <@ShivanHunter> "You add the "identify" spell to your repertoire." Awww yeee 02:37 [US] [D]: shadowcat (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 13326 points, 9518 turns, killed by a death ray 02:41 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Bin Orc Mal Non) wished for "blessed fixed +3 greased helm of drain resistance", on T:15196 02:41 <@rikersan> do'nt play with acererak without drain res kids 02:43 [US] [D]: MHL (Rog-Orc-Fem-Cha), 335340 points, 46003 turns, killed by an invisible titan 02:44 [US] [D]: efot (Hea-Gno-Fem-Neu), 203 points, 1027 turns, killed by a falling rock 02:44 <@rikersan> damnit I broke buer 02:44 [Tr] MHL now has Lesser Rogue! 02:49 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Bin Orc Mal Non), 405851 points, T:17120, killed by a hellfire colossus 02:49 <@rikersan> oh well gg 02:51 [US] [D]: zoya (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 18763 points, 14759 turns, killed by an invisible stalker (and one other game not reported) 02:57 [US] [D]: efot (Hea-Gno-Fem-Neu), 578 points, 1827 turns, killed by a wererat 02:57 YANI: If you currently hold charges from the confuse monster scroll (hands glowing red), your spell list gains a "confuse" spell which has a 0% failure rate; using this lets you "zap" the confusion effect in any direction, affecting only the first monster it hits. 03:01 -!- stenno\proc has joined #hardfought 03:02 [hdf-us] [nh363] fcloud (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a flaming sphere, on T:41544 03:07 [US] [D]: Bliss56 (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 2144 points, 2624 turns, killed by a rothe 03:12 [EU] [D]: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 6950 points, 7938 turns, killed by a bolt of fire 03:12 [hdf-us] [nh363] fcloud (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Lord Surtur, on T:41735 03:12 [hdf-us] [nh363] fcloud (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:41739 03:17 [US] [D]: Bliss56 (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 373 points, 1109 turns, poisoned by a little dart 03:18 [EU] [D]: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 113 points, 455 turns, killed by a sewer rat 03:19 -!- Porkmantwo has joined #hardfought 03:21 aosdict: Just make the spell AoE. 03:21 Err, the scroll. 03:22 jonadab: That's the simple solution but might be a little overpowered 03:22 (I was actually going to make it a touch spell.) 03:24 This would allow it to be more useful against higher level stuff, since that would have the standard character level bonus rather than the wimpy scroll bonus versus monster MR. 03:26 [US] [D]: Bartlem (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 1152 points, 3362 turns, killed by a giant bat 03:30 [EU] [A]: Anerag (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 2451848 points, 29492 turns, ascended 03:30 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Anerag/tnnt/dumplog/1572896174.tnnt.html 03:30 Anyone know if anyone's actually _reported_ "travel is completely broken if there are traps between you and the destination" to the devteam? 03:31 [Tr] Anerag now has Both Genders! 03:33 !tell larientelrunya guess it's time to start logging channels 03:33 Will do, bug_sniper! 03:34 !tell larientelrunya alternatively, start adding the nice patch ideas you've been overlooking while digging out the evil patch ideas 03:34 No worries, bug_sniper, I've got this! 03:36 nice patch idea: pit traps filled with pillows that deal absolutely no damage to you and only slow you down 03:37 nice patch idea: trapdoors that deploy ladders when you fall into them, letting you instantly climb back up 03:37 that's consistent with how if you fall several floors you also take 0 damage :D 03:37 [US] [D]: Bartlem (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 352 points, 1003 turns, killed by a hobbit 03:37 yeah, it is 03:45 nice patch idea: give the player an angel minion while entering gehennom and an archon instead of an angel at the astral plane, to make minions and conflict matter more 03:46 <@John Keel> just found wand of wishing number 3 03:46 <@John Keel> what is this run 03:47 <@rikersan> jinxed 03:47 <@rikersan> you'll get demogorgon off a random horned devil and die instantly 03:47 <@John Keel> I have effectively 10 amulets of life saving right now 03:47 @luxidream I'm at orcus. Should I apply magicbymccauley tactics? 03:48 <@luxidream> I got the trifecta in a recent game 03:48 <@luxidream> maybe he's on to something 03:48 <@luxidream> :p 03:48 I can't even remember what I was supposed to do, other than avoid walking back across this level to the upstairs. 03:49 get a couple whacks in, then dig down, then levelport 2 floors up? 03:49 <@rikersan> that's so stupid 03:49 <@luxidream> tame MR SHOUTY and have him fight orcus 03:50 I do kind of want to see demogorgon though. No one in my clan has killed him yet. 03:52 <@rikersan> what exactly was mcm's plan? 03:53 -!- bouquet has joined #hardfought 03:53 <@luxidream> he doesn't think orcus is a follower 03:53 <@luxidream> so 03:53 <@luxidream> his plan is to come up from below, whack orcus 03:54 @rikersan if you care to dig through the literal tens of thousands of words of arguing on the wiki, go ahead 03:54 <@luxidream> when he teleports to the stairs, levelport up one level then come back down 03:54 <@rikersan> aosdict: I didn't want to that's why I asked :) 03:54 <@rikersan> and uhh yeah ok that's not gonna work 03:54 <@ShivanHunter> wouldn't that... put you not on the stairs 03:54 <@rikersan> yeah it'll put you next to it 03:54 <@ShivanHunter> lmao 03:54 <@rikersan> generally I save wands of tele - zap them real quick and step on 03:54 <@rikersan> it's easier that way 03:54 <@luxidream> well, that's the least of his factual errors 03:56 [US] [D]: EndlessMike (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 2670 points, 2662 turns, killed by a jaguar 03:56 [US] [D]: OtsMcGee (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 305 points, 1040 turns, killed by a hobbit 03:59 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 03:59 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 04:02 [US] [Q]: dingotron (Hea-Gno-Mal-Neu), 1040 points, 2147 turns, quit 04:02 -!- TheGame20__ has joined #hardfought 04:08 mystery of the day: why are so many elves wandering around in hell 04:11 [US] [D]: iyarkonan (Arc-Hum-Mal-Law), 2235 points, 6418 turns, killed by a giant ant 04:12 @le?hellgnome 04:12 hellgnome ~2~ bell gnome (G) | Lvl: 3 | Diff: 5 | Spd: 6 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 10 | Generates: special | AC: 4 | Attacks: 1d6 weapon physical, 0d0 touch gives-you-parkinsons | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, omnivore, infravisible 04:12 [US] [D]: iyarkonan (Arc-Hum-Mal-Law), 127 points, 421 turns, killed by a kobold mummy 04:13 !le?hellelf 04:13 @le?hellelf 04:13 hellelf ~3~ hellcat (f) | Lvl: 12 | Diff: 14 | Spd: 12 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: special | AC: 6 | Attacks: 4d4 claw physical, 4d4 claw physical, 3d10 bite fire | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, infravisible 04:13 @le?devil elf 04:13 devil elf ~3~ evil fly (a) | Lvl: 25 | Diff: 28 | Spd: 8 | Res: cold poison | Confers: poison | MR: 40 | Generates: special | AC: -7 | Attacks: 1d22 sting drain dex, 1d22 sting bad-random-effect | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, flies, oviparous, poisonous 04:13 @le?hellbat 04:13 hellbat (B) | Lvl: 7 | Diff: 11 | Spd: 22 | Res: fire | Confers: fire | MR: 0 | Generates: special | AC: 7 | Attacks: 1d12 bite fire | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, flies, infravisible 04:13 sorry, I can't explain it either 04:14 * aosdict is mildly surprised that he guessed a slex monster in one go 04:14 @le?pointy mugger 04:14 No such monster. 04:14 @le?demon elf 04:14 demon elf ~3~ demon dog (d) | Lvl: 22 | Diff: 25 | Spd: 13 | Res: poison | Confers: nothing | MR: 20 | Generates: special | AC: 2 | Attacks: 4d10 bite physical, 3d7 breath drain str | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore 04:15 oh how cruel... a 5x3 spellbook store on dlvl2. I should just dig straight down and leave them all for bones 04:15 well, at least with the wide variety, I'm more likely to stumble into a random monster with whatever Isearch for 04:16 [EU] [D]: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 17273 points, 7684 turns, poisoned by an orcish arrow 04:17 15 spellbooks for the price of 1 tripe ration. 04:20 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 04:21 G is >so painful< without TC - I think I might have to wish for =oTC 04:24 I wonder whether you should wish for that, or maybe a magic marker to write genocide scrolls and summon tengu. 04:25 that's actually a decent idea... ...but I'm pretty close to doing Run so I'll prolly burn a wish 04:25 I'm actually short on empty scrolls from writing MMs 04:35 ahhh... ...forgot I can dip in the moats - then I can write some more ?oMMs 04:42 crapola - forgot about Orcus - sloppy game 8^P 05:02 -!- stenno\proc has joined #hardfought 05:03 [hdf-us] [nh363] RyanHill (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:35829 05:03 [hdf-us] [nh363] RyanHill (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:35831 05:04 <@scj643> Welp managed to lose my password for hardfought 05:19 [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 2978 points, 4430 turns, killed by a giant bat (and 31 other games not reported) 05:20 [hdf-us] [nh363] RyanHill (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed rustproof +2 gauntlets of power", on T:37035 05:27 -!- jessek has joined #hardfought 05:35 @ShivanHunter: thanks 05:45 [hdf-eu] [nh363] Vis (Tou Hum Mal Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon him by The Lady, on T:16066 05:52 [US] [A]: Luxidream (Pri-Hum-Fem-Law), 1626292 points, 47879 turns, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/tnnt/dumplog/1572910982.tnnt.html 05:52 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 05:52 [Tr] Luxidream now has Longest Streak! 05:52 [US] [D]: EndlessMike (Mon-Hum-Mal-Law), 2086 points, 3692 turns, killed by a soldier ant, while praying 05:52 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 05:54 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 385 points, T:997, killed by a giant bat 05:57 [hdf-us] [nh363] lordjoe (Cav Hum Fem Neu), 18064 points, T:11005, killed by a hill giant, while sleeping 05:58 [hdf-us] [nh363] lordjoe (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 162 points, T:53, killed by a kitten called Catnip 06:00 Current Day as of 2019-11-05 06:00 UTC: Games: 215, Asc: 2, Scum: 176. 316476 turns, 4882728 points. 3d 00:48 gametime. (28%Val), (54%Hum), (49%Law), (56%Fem), 25d 17:59 remaining. 06:02 [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 2867 points, 3619 turns, killed by a cave spider (and 30 other games not reported) 06:02 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 418 points, T:687, killed by a rabid rat 06:02 if I read a ?oMM on the planes, will I get confused? (I'm in a bit of a connundrum as I haven't forgotten my earliest spells yet 8^P 06:03 ...and a cursed unihorn takes forever to get confusion (if RNG is not with me) 06:05 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 131 points, T:333, killed by a bat 06:05 crapola - planes are mappable so that won't work 06:09 [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 651 points, 371 turns, killed by a dwarf (and 62 other games not reported) 06:12 at first I thought you said scroll of magic missile 06:16 [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 866 points, 686 turns, killed by a dagger (and 6 other games not reported) 06:16 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 458 points, T:1629, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted kitten 06:17 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 06:19 [hdf-us] [fh] Toc (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 14160 points, T:797, killed by a fox, while fainted from lack of food 06:20 [hdf-eu] [nh363] Vis (Tou Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "magic marker", on T:18151 06:20 nic 06:23 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 380 points, T:735, killed by a giant bat 06:24 [US] [D]: eraserhead97 (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 637115 points, 30845 turns, killed by a touch of death (with the Amulet), while helpless 06:24 [hdf-eu] [nh363] Vis (Tou Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:18377 06:26 [hdf-eu] [nh363] Vis (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 46811 points, T:18405, killed by a spotted jelly 06:28 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 725 points, 2078 turns, killed by a kobold lord 06:28 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 511 points, T:740, killed by a giant mimic 06:38 [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 1059 points, 1527 turns, killed by a killer bee (and 56 other games not reported) 06:42 [hdf-us] [nh363] colonelj (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 34 points, T:371, poisoned by a rotted kobold corpse 06:51 [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 1474 points, 2314 turns, killed by an ice devil (and 5 other games not reported) 06:52 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 1005 points, 2871 turns, killed by a dingo 06:54 in general: 1d5 vs 1d3+1 - which is better? 07:03 -!- stenno\proc has joined #hardfought 07:03 <@ShivanHunter> hmmmm. If I'm understanding the notation right, they have the same expected value (3) but 1d3+1 has less variance. So I guess I'd go with that 07:04 <@ShivanHunter> elven dagger vs +1 orcish? 07:05 [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 124158 points, 27455 turns, killed by a winged gargoyle 07:09 nah. totally different game, but the idea is the same as in nh 07:09 <@ShivanHunter> ah 07:15 [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 1183 points, 1874 turns, killed by an arrow (and 31 other games not reported) 07:16 [US] [D]: dbanethacker (Val-Hum-Mal-Neu), 507201 points, 34652 turns, choked on a wraith corpse 07:17 [R] Clan Bane of Rodney advances to rank 6! 07:21 <@ShivanHunter> RIP 07:22 -!- dbanethacker has joined #hardfought 07:23 YASD - I ate a wraith with my =ofSD on - dang dang dang !!!! 07:24 my bones pile is good just for the BoH. Alas. 07:24 [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 738 points, 1197 turns, killed by a gnome (and 70 other games not reported) 07:30 [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 474 points, 1082 turns, killed by a dwarf (and 37 other games not reported) 07:51 -!- merleke has joined #hardfought 08:18 -!- ProzacElf_ has joined #hardfought 08:49 -!- spontiff has joined #hardfought 08:56 -!- joes has joined #hardfought 09:02 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 09:03 -!- stenno\proc has joined #hardfought 09:05 [US] [A]: Luxidream (Val-Hum-Fem-Neu), 1448084 points, 40892 turns, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/tnnt/dumplog/1572933344.tnnt.html 09:05 [Tr] Luxidream now has Longest Streak! 09:09 [EU] [D]: saso (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 161 points, 939 turns, killed by a hobbit 09:21 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #hardfought 09:25 -!- stenno\proc has joined #hardfought 09:35 [EU] [D]: joes (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 1959 points, 5368 turns, killed by a panther 09:36 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 3185 points, 8966 turns, killed by a giant mimic 09:47 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 630 points, 1140 turns, killed by a giant ant, while unconscious from rotten food 09:48 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 59 points, 374 turns, killed by a sewer rat 09:50 [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 4240 points, 3653 turns, killed by a gargoyle (and 14 other games not reported) 09:56 @luxidream congrats to your foodless wizard 09:58 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 09:58 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 10:00 so zipcode did exactly 200 ascensions in 5 months 10:02 man praise eris for the scoreboard 10:03 -!- stenno\proc has joined #hardfought 10:03 such an amazing resource 10:04 <@luxidream> which foodless wizard? 10:04 <@luxidream> :p 10:04 <@luxidream> thanks 10:04 [EU] [D]: saso (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 943 points, 3790 turns, killed by a wolf 10:04 @luxidream err 10:04 maybe the conducts on the page are borked 10:05 oh wait maybe the conduct list is borked 10:05 arti geno vegt vegn elbe food wiz ride vlad bone swap neme prst pets 10:05 actually 4 foodless 10:06 oh slow digestion from the swapchest? 10:06 <@luxidream> scumming 10:06 boo 10:07 <@luxidream> TNNT is quite broken this year 10:07 how come? 10:08 <@luxidream> look at the point totals for the wizards 10:08 500k-ish 10:08 its possible when you start with the right spellbooks 10:09 mostly +oID i think 10:09 <@luxidream> no the tnnt points 10:09 <@luxidream> not score lol 10:09 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 1508 points, 3277 turns, killed by a gnome mummy 10:10 hmm i don't find it :/ 10:10 -!- eLtMosen1 has joined #hardfought 10:11 hey luxi how about this: 228 ascensions in 5 months with an asc ratio of 66.6% 10:11 thats zipcodes track record 10:11 the problem is spending 5 months on this means that you are either really rich or, like, unemployed or so 10:12 <@luxidream> Bottom of the page 10:12 <@luxidream> filter out achievement, trophy 10:12 <@luxidream> should be just raw ascension points 10:13 the total at the botton doesn't change 10:13 <@luxidream> the point total for each ascension is absurd 10:13 so you have 1.3k points for trophies 10:14 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 27 points, 256 turns, killed by a kobold 10:14 <@luxidream> makes trophies, regular ascensions, achievements really pointless 10:14 achievements only give 1 point 10:14 [EU] [D]: saso (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 219 points, 1339 turns, killed by a sewer rat, while fainted from lack of food 10:14 that is clearly not that relevant 10:14 but its good for beginners i guess? 10:15 <@luxidream> for example wizard ascension is 400+ points 10:15 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 173 points, 585 turns, killed by a gecko 10:15 [EU] [D]: saso (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 88 points, 107 turns, killed by a falling rock 10:15 <@luxidream> ascending all roles gives you 260 points 10:18 oof 10:18 i see now 10:23 <@luxidream> You can also do a 5k turn speedrun 10:23 <@luxidream> for a whopping 100 points 10:24 oof 10:24 5k turns is elite, this should give more points 10:24 <@luxidream> or do a 1 hour real-time which is literally not rewarded at all 10:44 -!- stenno\proc has joined #hardfought 10:53 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 3122 points, 4452 turns, killed by a black unicorn 11:06 [US] [D]: Luxidream (Ran-Orc-Fem-Cha), 2210 points, 4425 turns, killed by a killer bee, while praying 11:09 i ate rings of regeneration <3 11:26 -!- stenno\proc has joined #hardfought 11:45 Enjoy 11:56 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 1841 points, 3971 turns, killed by a giant spider 11:58 [US] [D]: Noah (Hea-Gno-Mal-Neu), 302 points, 1899 turns, killed by a dwarf zombie 12:00 Current Day as of 2019-11-05 12:00 UTC: Games: 588, Asc: 3, Scum: 519. 512823 turns, 7631017 points. 5d 01:25 gametime. (43%Wiz), (38%Hum), (39%Neu), (55%Fem), 25d 11:59 remaining. 12:10 [US] [D]: Noah (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 348 points, 1182 turns, killed by a carnivorous bag 12:12 if you had intrinsic regen and polymorphed into an arbitrary monster, would you still have regen while poly'd? 12:12 <{Demo}> yes 12:12 wot 12:13 <{Demo}> ndnh symbiote gets intrinsic regen at level 1 12:13 <{Demo}> and while taking a host (effectively polymorphed) still has regen 12:14 <{Demo}> are there any ways to get intrinsic regen in vanilla? 12:14 so if you poly into non-eating, you wont get any hunger penalty? 12:14 well, eating a ring of regen like Porkmantwo did 12:15 <{Demo}> yeah I think eating a ring of regen would work for that 12:15 this sounds borderline broken 12:15 <{Demo}> why? 12:15 slotless intrinsic regen without hunger penalty? 12:15 sounds pretty good 12:16 to an arbitrary monster form 12:16 <{Demo}> at the cost of? 12:16 at the cost of unchanging 12:16 <{Demo}> then you have to stay in some shitty uneating form 12:16 and i guess the actual regen ring 12:16 there are also non-shitty uneating 12:16 <{Demo}> 3 regen rings 12:16 which don't have regen 12:17 <{Demo}> isn't it a 1/3 chance of conferring resistance 12:17 doesn't scale that good into the lategame 12:17 sure.. 12:17 <{Demo}> and you have to get lucky and have regen be edible 12:18 you will get a penalty from intrinsic regen 12:18 when poly'd into non-eating even? 12:18 that i dunno 12:18 thats the question 12:19 <{Demo}> it doesn't seem that useful beyond the first 10000 turns 12:19 it is always useful 12:19 yeah as i said it doesn't really scale well into the lategame 12:19 <{Demo}> and if you can pull that off that early there are probably way better things you can do 12:19 hmm dunno about that though 12:19 <{Demo}> but by a bit into the game a hunger penalty is pretty meaningless for the most part 12:20 it is relevant unless you feel like wasting your carry cap 12:25 i just decided i dont like vanilla at all 12:25 DNH and NDNH are so much better 12:27 dnh's new content is insane imo 12:27 its so creative and brutal 12:27 and its just sooooo much 12:27 really great 12:27 and its so atmospheric imo 12:27 it has the best atmosphere of all the nethacks 12:29 -!- hdf-guest-56 has joined #hardfought 12:31 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 2093 points, 3255 turns, killed by a bugbear, while fainted from lack of food 12:32 [US] [D]: Noah (Pri-Hum-Fem-Law), 443 points, 2458 turns, killed by a giant bat 12:32 oh for fucksake 12:33 "£*$&("£&$"*(£$&*"(£$&"£*( 12:43 -!- stenno\proc has joined #hardfought 12:50 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 147 points, 684 turns, killed by a boulder 12:53 [US] [D]: Ashpool (Wiz-Gno-Mal-Neu), 29931 points, 16034 turns, killed by a white unicorn 12:53 [US] [D]: engelson (Hea-Hum-Fem-Neu), 236 points, 794 turns, killed by a dwarf 12:58 [US] [D]: Noah (Rog-Hum-Fem-Cha), 1709 points, 3916 turns, killed by a gnome lord 12:58 @luxidream Seems like we didn't adjust the conduct multipliers properly, especially for the new stuff, because it didn't spend enough time in beta. It happens. 12:58 Though I'm still left wondering how you can so consistently ascend without killing the Wizard. 13:01 [US] [D]: Noah (Hea-Gno-Fem-Neu), 96 points, 724 turns, killed by a fox 13:02 gotta go fast 13:03 TIL rodney is not sleep resistant 13:05 -!- bubbles_nhww has joined #hardfought 13:05 o/ 13:06 o/ 13:07 [hdf-eu] [nh363] kernelrain (Val Hum Fem Law), 148 points, T:754, killed by a fox 13:08 I have one question for you high profile players 13:09 on speedruns...how the hell do you find the vibrating square that quick? 13:09 nowadays, portal detection 13:09 the area of where a VS is is restricted 13:09 How is porkman not a high profile player? :hmm: 13:09 !asc porkman 13:09 bubbles_nhww: [hdf-us] porkman has ascended 5 times in 274 games (1.82%): ndnh:1 (16.67%), dnh:4 (8.89%) | [hdf-eu] porkman has not ascended in 1801 games. 13:10 it must be so and so many tiles away from the map border, and so and so many tiles from the upstairs 13:10 and if you do realtime running you can just uppercase-move through the level and it should just take a minute or so 13:11 (strats before the vs was detectable) 13:11 What is realtime running? 13:11 so you don't have to check all the tiles 13:12 realtime speedrunning 13:12 (as opposed to gametime speedrunning) 13:12 ah I feel you 13:12 yeah, i like to scum 13:12 but i mean, gametime speedrunners 13:12 oh gametime 13:12 gotta get lucky 13:13 (in 3.4.3) 13:13 thankfully thats not an issue anymore 13:13 I think start scumming is the least bad form of scumming 13:13 i always found VS detection to be a poor metagame 13:13 Sometimes you just want to try some fun combo 13:13 bubbles_nhww, its the only legal form of scumming :P 13:14 Aye 13:14 In bubblehack (he says) you'll choose your starting equipment I think 13:14 acehack had a reroll feature 13:14 Meh, then you just reroll until 13:14 I'll give the player a starting budget and have some shops on pre-dl1 13:15 idk about that 13:15 With role/race-specific set inventories 13:15 Nah I mean like "choose a bow, dagger, shortsword" 13:15 that type of thing 13:15 i thought about that too but now you are wiring the item quality to the price 13:15 Ah yeah I have a plan for that 13:15 and price is often not an indicator about quality 13:15 Those shops won't take $ 13:15 well i would be interested about your plans regarding that because i thought about this a lot too 13:16 Your starting inventory would be like "10 shopkeeper tokens" 13:16 So you can drop them for credit in the store 13:16 But it would basically be the current starting loadouts 13:16 So if you want to start with an oil lamp rather than an extra few daggers you can 13:16 (for example) 13:17 and would a level 1 spellbook be just as expensive as a level 3 spellbook? 13:17 No 13:17 Probs 1token/level for spellbooks 13:17 or 40 poisoned arrows better than 20 non-poisoned arrows? (rogue) 13:17 WAIT 13:17 er 13:17 ranger 13:17 what do you mean in 3.4.3 13:17 Porkmantwo, lmao i knew it 13:17 thats why i pointed it out several times 13:17 hahahaha 13:17 you can detect the VS in 3.6.x 13:18 oh ffs 13:18 stennowork probs all non-poison and sell a 2 poison pots for a token 13:18 Again, choice. But I think it's not too terrible to balance 13:18 lol 13:18 and iw as digging the ehwole damn place 13:18 You do you porky 13:19 aw 13:19 Also don't you get a message in 3.6 13:19 When you get within 10 squares or something 13:20 so if a monster bashes you with a rubber chicken, is it instadeath or delayed? 13:21 delayed 13:22 so basically the only time you instadie is through your own foolishness, hm 13:22 have they fixed vampire and mind flayer polymorphed extra attacks that stone you? 13:23 no 13:23 not to my knowledge 13:23 slackers. Slashem, UN and DNH all have 13:23 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 13:23 well un does a few other things with cockatrices in general 13:24 for example you will have the 25% unskilled to-hit cap 13:24 and it will only delayed-stone monsters if _you_ hit them with it 13:24 what do you mean? 13:25 now, i think NDNH needs the wallet of perseus, and the black market implemented 13:25 that is what i mean 13:25 in vanilla, you insta-stone monsters when you hit them with c corpse 13:25 [US] [D]: OneColdCanuck (Bar-Orc-Mal-Cha), 2897 points, 3459 turns, killed by a dog (and 2 other games not reported) 13:25 in un, its much less likely to hit them in the first place, and even then its delayed instadeath 13:26 its a delayed even in vanilla 13:26 but very few things have means to cure it 13:28 you hitting a monster with c corpse is delayed instadeath in vanilla? 13:28 why did i think otherwise 13:29 maybe because most monsters are slower than the player 13:29 idk 13:32 [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 1687 points, 2729 turns, killed by a gnome lord (and 62 other games not reported) 13:36 -!- tonehack has joined #hardfought 13:40 [US] [D]: Noah (Pri-Hum-Fem-Neu), 1900 points, 4351 turns, killed by a killer bee 13:44 [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 615497 points, 42816 turns, killed by a touch of death 13:47 [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 567 points, 1081 turns, killed by a kobold lord (and 79 other games not reported) 13:47 -!- ProzacElf_ has joined #hardfought 13:47 eyyy 3.6.3 pre-release 13:47 getting close :) 13:48 why is devteam pre-releasing the windows builds? is that like a beta build? 13:48 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 4261 points, 2958 turns, killed by a wolf, while sleeping off a magical draught 13:48 I thought 'there's never going to be a 3.6.2 release, it's just for bug fixes while we work on 3.7' and then the same thing again for 3.6.3 13:48 [US] [D]: CALLOUS (Val-Hum-Fem-Neu), 495 points, 2021 turns, killed by a rabid rat 13:49 they'll go on like that until 3.6.996 and then it'll be another ten years between major versions 13:49 [hdf-eu] [dnh] bubbles (Bin Inc Mal Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1087 13:50 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 896 points, T:1683, killed by a dwarf 13:50 can we just get 5.0 with tons of new gameplay features 13:50 a new role, a new branch 13:50 how about sheol 13:50 [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 146 points, 614 turns, killed by a grid bug 13:51 never mind, for some reason i still think that devteam uses semver 13:52 stennowork: gehennom overhaul >>> sheol 13:53 if that includes stripping the MF, i am all for it 13:54 the words "gehennom overhaul" can't *not* imply stripping the MF 13:54 <{Demo}> I wanna see someone actually competent try to do what ndnh tries to do to early game diversity with the village level/multiple options for a first branch instead of just mines 13:55 i really like that village thing in ndnh 13:55 at least what i have seen so far 13:55 [EU] [D]: snes (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 67799 points, 14296 turns, killed by a guard 13:55 <{Demo}> it's a cool idea on paper but the execution is sloppy 13:55 yes, it's sort of like if you had your choice of mines' ends and you could pick whichever one will be the most worth for your character 13:56 <@Tone> Porkmantwo: Before trap detection worked on the VS, you would just find it before you were even allowed into the quest 13:56 [R] Clan They All Float Down Here advances to rank 10! 13:56 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Pri Hum Mal Law) had Demonbane bestowed upon him by Mercury, on T:2350 13:56 wait, why am I porkmantwo 13:56 <@Tone> Top end speed runs actually have a fair bit of time to kill 13:57 <@Tone> That's a deep question 13:57 -!- Porkman has joined #hardfought 13:57 better! 13:58 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 980 points, 1329 turns, killed by an imp 13:58 -!- stenno\proc has joined #hardfought 13:59 oh yeah good point - maud-style speedruns probably have a few hundred turns to find the VS 14:00 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Pri Hum Mal Law), 2037 points, T:2826, killed by a rothe, while fainted from lack of food 14:01 <{Demo}> idk by mines end you kind of have an idea of that 14:01 [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 906 points, 2122 turns, killed by a homunculus 14:02 <{Demo}> by dlvl 4 you aren't very well established and usually the deciding factor for which branch is based on role/race 14:02 * stennowork always goes mines first 14:02 especially after the soko depth nerf 14:06 [US] [D]: Noah (Pri-Hum-Fem-Neu), 684 points, 3694 turns, killed by a dwarf 14:07 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 227 points, 857 turns, killed by a coyote 14:07 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 14:08 [US] [D]: SkippitoFriskito (Bar-Orc-Mal-Cha), 28 points, 127 turns, killed by a sewer rat 14:09 [US] [D]: Noah (Pri-Hum-Fem-Neu), 230 points, 695 turns, killed by a gnome lord 14:09 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 98 points, 522 turns, killed by a bear trap 14:10 [US] [D]: richards (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 1489 points, 1190 turns, killed by a dwarf lord 14:13 [US] [D]: SkippitoFriskito (Bar-Orc-Mal-Cha), 251 points, 633 turns, killed by a magic missile 14:18 <@Tone> In my current game I had a Dlvl 5 Oracle so I rushed soko at xl 4 to generate a low DIF zoo floor 14:18 <@Tone> Probably dangerous but figured it would be fun 14:18 how do you rush soko 14:19 [EU] [D]: khamul (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 201350 points, 26217 turns, killed by an Olog-hai (and one other game not reported) 14:19 <@Tone> well just doing soko at XL 4 is rushed 14:19 <@Tone> I gained a few levels on the way up, ended up with a DIF 8 top floor 14:19 'ah yes I need to get there fast; let's spend thousands of turns pushing rocks around' 14:19 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 2112 points, 1802 turns, killed by a gecko, while fainted from lack of food 14:20 <@Tone> I forget, does phasing work through walls there? 14:20 no 14:20 otherwise you would have a LOT more wizards scumming for poly and poly control 14:21 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 106 points, 115 turns, killed by a boulder 14:21 <@Tone> You can't start with both 14:22 <@Tone> well maybe you can start with the potion? I know you can't get the wand and the ring 14:23 [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Bar Inc Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2552 14:24 [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 2362 points, 4515 turns, killed by a hill orc 14:24 oh you're right, getting any polyitem forces no poly control and vice versa 14:28 -!- bubbles_nhww91 has joined #hardfought 14:28 ugh 14:28 Incantifier + slow digestion has no effect right? 14:29 <{Demo}> yep 14:29 So I can just eat it for 250 food whenever 14:29 col 14:30 <{Demo}> idk if u can eat it 14:30 <{Demo}> I think if it is iron and ur a metal eater that u cant 14:31 I thought you can eat any ring 14:31 I will try! 14:31 Ugh found romahahdhdydhdad on a shop floor 14:31 To berith or not to berith 14:31 [US] [D]: SkippitoFriskito (Bar-Orc-Mal-Cha), 987 points, 1773 turns, killed by an Elvenking, while praying 14:32 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 1333 points, 1197 turns, killed by a jaguar 14:38 [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 488 points, 1203 turns, killed by a dagger 14:38 {Demo} yeah you can eat +slowdig 14:38 = 14:39 oh hello bones 14:39 <{Demo}> oh neat 14:39 Who is sflicht? 14:43 [hdf-eu] [dnh] bubbles (Bin Inc Mal Non) was given the Pen of the Void, on T:8030 14:43 [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 455 points, 1267 turns, killed by a hobbit 14:43 !who 14:43 bug_sniper: [hdf-us] hackedhead [nh363] porkman [tnnt] hothraxxa [tnnt] tsingi [tnnt] Bugpowder [tnnt] ansic [tnnt] SkippitoFriskito [tnnt] LoneWolf [tnnt] klintos [tnnt] Tmasher [tnnt] Grouchy [tnnt] Entitas [tnnt] towardsdawn [tnnt] Merlek [tnnt] luxor [slshm] dragonspeaker [dnh] | [hdf- 14:43 eu] noims [tnnt] Dins [tnnt] Raisse [tnnt] rootkit [tnnt] khamul [tnnt] snes [tnnt] Graznop [tnnt] Muad [tnnt] bubbles [dnh] mightyquinn [evil] | [hdf-au] Andrio [tnnt] Tangles [tnnt] DarkLightDragon [tnnt] 14:44 uhhh... so that's annoying: nh363 soko doesn't render pits properly in curses with DECGraphics 14:44 (they look the same as floor) 14:45 oh, no, nevermnind 14:45 it's a bad coloring 14:46 [US] [D]: SkippitoFriskito (Bar-Orc-Mal-Cha), 1797 points, 1881 turns, killed by a dwarf lord 14:48 oops just shot the oracle 14:48 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 576 points, 2758 turns, killed by a hobbit, while fainted from lack of food 14:48 happy little accidents 14:48 Not dead though so it should be ok 14:52 [EU] [D]: Ashpool (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 7098 points, 8286 turns, killed by a white unicorn 14:53 how do i make nh363 not render pits in black? 14:54 (why in the world does it do that?) 14:56 -!- Xjs has joined #hardfought 14:56 [EU] [D]: khamul (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 2708 points, 2904 turns, killed by a wolf 14:58 hackedhead: what value has your use_darkgray option? it's at the top, not settable ingame 14:59 try changing that in your option file. either OPTIONS=!use_darkgray or OPTIONS=use_darkgray 14:59 or look at the options of your terminal. 14:59 I feel mm has been too nerfed in dnh 14:59 You have to be level 16 for it to do more damage to a single target than fb 14:59 And fb can hit two targets 14:59 mm doesn't kill potions but 15:00 So mm is 4 times less efficient than fb at level 16 15:00 At 30 it is the same single target efficiency :-\ 15:03 [US] [D]: Tmasher (Mon-Hum-Fem-Law), 2293 points, 3112 turns, killed by a panther 15:13 [US] [A]: porkman (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 2534431 points, 49692 turns, ascended (and 37 other games not reported) https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/p/porkman/tnnt/dumplog/1572889581.tnnt.html 15:13 [EU] [D]: joes (Mon-Hum-Fem-Law), 3711 points, 5205 turns, killed by an owlbear 15:14 eyy Porkman 15:14 grats 15:14 <{Demo}> so long and thanks for the sdsm 15:14 [R] Clan Teenage NetHack Ninja Turtles advances to rank 3! 15:15 now i hope i can streak 15:15 gotta play more carefully 15:15 of coruse this next wizard is ass to start with 15:19 what's the point of the different notes squeaky boards do? 15:20 just to differenciate them 15:20 assume there are several squeaky boards 15:21 <{Demo}> then you know which one went off I guess 15:22 yep 15:22 if you have observed which one is whcih, of course 15:22 or even then it already gives you information that monsters stepped on two different or the same board 15:22 grammar, but i hope you get the point 15:23 <{Demo}> how is the player so musically talented 15:23 apparently they spawn with absolute hearing 15:23 whatsitcalled in english 15:23 really? every player can cast magic and THAT's what you wonder about? 15:23 absolute pitch 15:25 hehe 15:25 <{Demo}> bhaak yeah but they have to read books on how to do that 15:25 okay, then it's okay :-) 15:26 {Demo} how tough are aligned priests? 15:26 You think I can smash one with magic missile at xl12? 15:27 <{Demo}> I wouldn't 15:27 <{Demo}> one fucked me up hard when I was cheating 15:27 [US] [D]: porkman (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 1778 points, 1555 turns, killed by a rothe 15:31 [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 8139 points, 7542 turns, killed by a fire ant 15:32 -!- stenno\proc has joined #hardfought 15:33 [US] [D]: wooble (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 70362 points, 15806 turns, killed by Lord Surtur 15:34 [R] Clan It Explodes! advances to rank 15! 15:35 here in this other channel i can laugh about wooble dying to surtur :D 15:36 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 656 points, 1618 turns, killed by a small mimic 15:40 [EU] [D]: saso (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 1025 points, 2678 turns, killed by an explosion 15:40 I won't laugh at wooble for deaths because he's the unique deaths expert who probably did it for that reason 15:41 <Wooble> well that's embarrassing. 15:41 heh 15:42 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) had a dagger entrusted to him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:20925 15:43 [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 270 points, 1385 turns, killed by a hobbit 15:46 [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 72 points, 412 turns, killed by a fox 15:46 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) had a spear entrusted to him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:21081 15:46 [EU] [D]: spline (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 210 points, 1279 turns, killed by a hobbit 15:47 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 144 points, 890 turns, killed by a fox 15:48 wooble is a funny name 15:48 I like it 15:48 he is a veteran 15:48 fml mind flayer broke h&m 15:49 i think wooble is one of the players who played since 1.3d 15:49 [US] [D]: tsingi (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 10090 points, 10897 turns, killed by a soldier 15:49 [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 40 points, 478 turns, killed by a newt 15:52 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 27475 points, T:21969, burned by molten lava, while helpless 15:52 -!- joes has joined #hardfought 15:58 <{Demo}> how bad is 1.3d rng? 15:58 <{Demo}> could it be a fun weekend project? 15:58 for exploit? 16:00 <{Demo}> yeah also where is the repo 16:00 the code is on the wiki but idk about the repo 16:01 probably in bhaak 's vicinity given htat he did quite some work for junethack with it 16:01 <{Demo}> why is code doesn't belong in wikis 16:01 <{Demo}> delete why is 16:01 [US] [D]: EndlessMike (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 430 points, 1953 turns, killed by a giant bat 16:01 [EU] [D]: jannis (Mon-Hum-Mal-Law), 497 points, 2121 turns, killed by a kitten called Aja, while praying 16:01 Finally, after 31163 turns, I have learned how to magically detect food. My days of hunger are over. 16:02 the code on the wiki used to be awesome, because it had a lot of comments 16:02 but nowadays, after the switch to the new mediawiki, not even the #line fragments work anymore 16:03 {Demo}: you could go the nethackwiki page of 1.3d to find out :-) 16:03 <{Demo}> detect food is such a let them eat cake spell 16:03 <{Demo}> bhaak I opened that page for like a second 16:03 {Demo}: https://bitbucket.org/bhaak/nethack-1.3d-revived 16:03 <{Demo}> then was like nah this couldn't be it 16:03 <{Demo}> thanks 16:03 -!- JonathanHanes has joined #hardfought 16:04 it probably uses the standard C rand() function 16:04 <{Demo}> I hope so 16:04 <{Demo}> cause then it'll be really easy 16:04 <{Demo}> :/ mercurial conflicts with my religion 16:05 of source control tools with sane command line options? 16:06 never heard of that affiliation 16:06 <{Demo}> haha 16:07 did you watch that talk of linus introducing git 16:08 linus said that mercurial was the least bad one 16:08 [US] [D]: wooble (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 1420 points, 1518 turns, killed by a Mordor orc 16:08 <{Demo}> whoa, it reads an environment variable for a seed if you specify it I think 16:09 <{Demo}> just seeds with time() otherwise and just uses C rand() 16:11 [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Bar Inc Mal Cha) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:6630 16:13 stennowork: mercurial was slow in the beginning. also it tried to ease the transition from svn to hg and didn't have some of the advanced feature of git, yet. 16:14 Meh it's a tool who cares what they use 16:14 fair 16:14 At least it's not MKS 16:15 [EU] [D]: Ashpool (Wiz-Gno-Mal-Neu), 334 points, 1496 turns, killed by a gas spore's explosion 16:15 <{Demo}> I just don't have the space on my drive for it 16:15 bubbles_nhww91, you shouldn't think like that about VCS 16:15 I am pragmatic 16:16 idk if you could call that 'pragmatic' tbh :P 16:16 I just use what I'm given 16:16 I take it! 16:20 <{Demo}> yey, bhaakhack 1.3d builds and runs 16:22 nice 16:23 <{Demo}> oh hmm it seems my system has the same time as hdf 16:26 [US] [D]: Kame (Tou-Hum-Fem-Neu), 1794 points, 1010 turns, killed by a human zombie 16:27 [US] [D]: Kame (Tou-Hum-Fem-Neu), 162 points, 251 turns, killed by a falling rock 16:27 -!- towardsdawn has joined #hardfought 16:28 [US] [D]: porkman (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 116 points, 448 turns, killed by a small mimic (and 6 other games not reported) 16:30 [US] [D]: wooble (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 333 points, 644 turns, killed by a giant bat 16:30 -!- stenno\proc has joined #hardfought 16:30 [EU] [D]: thorsb (Mon-Hum-Mal-Neu), 15890 points, 8757 turns, killed by a soldier ant 16:35 [US] [D]: richards (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 1728 points, 1372 turns, killed by a paper golem 16:42 [R] Clan Order of the Chickatrice advances to rank 17! 16:42 [R] Clan Smile Mold advances to rank 15! 16:42 [R] Clan The Would-Be Kings advances to rank 13! 16:42 [R] Clan #pray advances to rank 18! 16:42 [R] Clan Free State Project advances to rank 16! 16:42 [R] Clan Team Ant advances to rank 12! 16:42 [R] Clan They All Float Down Here advances to rank 10! 16:43 -!- jonathanhanes has joined #hardfought 16:43 [EU] [D]: spline (Ran-Elf-Mal-Cha), 447 points, 671 turns, killed by a kitten 16:46 is order of the chickatrice the recruiting clan for ottc 16:50 october team tenthack competition 16:50 I assume 16:51 [EU] [D]: asdf (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 521 points, 1441 turns, killed by a rothe 16:52 how do I report a bug? 16:52 entered the NPC deathmatch level and now my warhorse is permanently leashed to me 16:54 Sounds like someone needs to unleash the beast 17:00 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 180 points, T:440, killed by trying to drink molten lava 17:00 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 17:00 [hdf-us] [nh363] RyanHill (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:44578 17:02 hmm chaos1 17:02 Is that a good thing or a bad thing? 17:04 [US] [D]: shadowcat (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 8676 points, 5524 turns, killed by brainlessness 17:04 [US] [D]: tsingi (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 873 points, 2431 turns, killed by a crossbow bolt 17:05 [hdf-eu] [dnh] bubbles (Bin Inc Mal Non), 108714 points, T:13280, killed by a dire sheep 17:05 yes, it is 17:08 towardsdawn heya 17:08 [US] [D]: SkippitoFriskito (Bar-Orc-Mal-Cha), 1576 points, 2212 turns, killed by a gnome king 17:09 towardsdawn: so you were riding your horse when you entered the portal to the npc deathmatch, and now its perm leashed to you <--- that correct? and any other details that you feel might be important? 17:09 [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Bar Inc Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:10065 17:09 yes that's it 17:09 the warhorse didn't come with me into the level 17:09 but when I exited when I applied the leash it said 17:09 "the horse is already leashed to you" 17:10 ok 17:10 is it? or is it just an odd message 17:10 it is still leashed to me 17:10 ok 17:11 I also got the standard bug message 17:11 have you tried to break this phantom leash at all? 17:11 the "program in disorder" 17:11 ok 17:11 what username you play under and which server 17:11 no I haven't, I guess I can try with a door or something 17:11 <{Demo}> anyone know of any good tools for recording and replaying terminal input? 17:11 towardsdawn US server 17:11 ok thanks 17:11 do you want me to save and quit? 17:12 it happened like 10 min ago, I'm still playing 17:12 [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Bar Inc Mal Cha) was given Atlantean Royal Sword, on T:10347 17:12 can you do me a favor and save/exit real quick? going to backup your save 17:13 [hdf-us] [nh363] eraserhead97 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 327 points, T:1400, killed by a death ray 17:13 yep just quit 17:13 ok got it 17:13 you can resume 17:14 thanks for the bug report 17:14 no problem :) having lots of fun, first time playing tnnt 17:14 awesome :) 17:14 there's channel #tnnt also if you want to see livelogging in real time of games going on 17:14 -!- truculent has joined #hardfought 17:16 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 3300 points, 4316 turns, killed by a soldier ant 17:16 {Demo} in addition to termrec? 17:16 asciinema 17:17 [hdf-eu] [dnh] bubbles (Mon Hlf Mal Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2064 17:17 <{Demo}> I want input recorded, not output 17:17 -!- Hratt_ has joined #hardfought 17:18 [EU] [D]: saso (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 3353 points, 4603 turns, killed by a killer bee 17:18 towardsdawn: I think riding a steed into the portal was one of the cases we didn't account for. sorry. 17:19 The warhorse is welded to your hand! 17:19 xD 17:19 no worries +aosdict 17:20 [US] [D]: porkman (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 2642 points, 3727 turns, killed by a dwarf lord (and 8 other games not reported) 17:22 {Demo}sorry 17:23 [US] [D]: eraserhead97 (Mon-Hum-Fem-Cha), 243 points, 590 turns, killed by a magic missile 17:23 {Demo} https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/292711/how-do-i-record-all-terminal-input-and-output-to-a-local-file-by-default-for-eac 17:23 If you didn't see that alreayd 17:24 porkman I got your lvl30 -35ac wizard in the NPC deathmatch, don't think I can kill you anytime soon 17:24 -!- AntiVirus has joined #hardfought 17:24 what's the NPC deathmatch? 17:26 [US] [D]: shadowcat (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 1087 points, 2613 turns, killed by a giant ant 17:26 in TNNT there's a portal that leads to a room with lava and a random NPC player 17:26 there's an achievement for killing whoever's in there 17:26 <{Demo}> I killed them using only my feet 17:26 oh you can kick them? 17:27 <{Demo}> I couldn't do anything else but kick them 17:27 do they have insane AC? 17:27 that's brilliant 17:27 <{Demo}> I'm a monk 17:27 <{Demo}> I have a tohit issue 17:27 <{Demo}> couldn't hit with my hands or stormy 17:27 yeah he's got -35AC 17:28 oh wow 17:28 kick! 17:28 kick kick 17:28 this will be difficult to hit with any weapon 17:28 so yeah thank god kicking bypasses the AC check for whatever reason 17:29 oh darn the portal disappears if you leave 17:29 oh well def gonna try the kicking thing next time 17:30 :D 17:31 <{Demo}> my guy had 200 hp, a full healing, and an aols 17:31 <{Demo}> it was a long fight and I had to use consumables 17:31 [US] [D]: wooble (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Cha), 83 points, 297 turns, killed by a goblin 17:31 [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Bar Inc Mal Cha), 109764 points, T:11180, killed by a xorn 17:33 <{Demo}> by my guy I mean my enemy 17:34 at least its a bit quicker with martial arts :D 17:34 [hdf-eu] [dnh] bubbles (Mon Hlf Mal Law) was given Helping Hand, on T:5698 17:34 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Val Ang Fem Law) genocided golden naga, on T:34104 17:35 oof 17:35 [EU] [D]: khamul (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 7397 points, 4617 turns, poisoned by a snake 17:36 [US] [D]: richards (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 431 points, 1290 turns, killed by a homunculus, while fainted from lack of food 17:36 <{Demo}> yeah it's a wonder I lived cause that guys sword hurt 17:38 [hdf-us] [nh363] SkydiveMike (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 325 points, T:1457, killed by a homunculus, while sleeping 17:41 [hdf-us] [nh363] hackedhead (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 1182 points, T:2204, killed by a housecat 17:42 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Val Ang Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:34360 17:48 [US] [D]: Kame (Tou-Hum-Fem-Neu), 8582 points, 5497 turns, killed by a rothe 17:48 [US] [D]: wooble (Arc-Gno-Fem-Neu), 1600 points, 3288 turns, killed by a giant beetle (and one other game not reported) 17:50 Can I safely poly a vault guard? 17:51 [US] [D]: oh6 (Cav-Hum-Mal-Law), 644325 points, 41621 turns, poisoned by Demogorgon, while paralyzed by a monster 17:51 gah 17:52 rip 17:52 guess I should have levelported out of there after all 17:52 :/ 17:53 <@IceBox> sorry oh6, that's a rough one 17:54 [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Bar Inc Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2670 17:54 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 9855 points, T:7681, killed by a death ray 17:56 YANI: Heisenberg's bag - contains blue meth. dropped by quantum mechanics. Grants Very Fast intrinsic. 17:58 [US] [D]: SkippitoFriskito (Bar-Orc-Mal-Cha), 2074 points, 2426 turns, killed by a killer bee 17:59 sounds strong 17:59 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 18:00 [US] [D]: richards (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 2244 points, 2835 turns, killed by a fire ant 18:00 Current Day as of 2019-11-05 18:00 UTC: Games: 948, Asc: 4, Scum: 797. 891534 turns, 11931367 points. 9d 15:27 gametime. (47%Wiz), (44%Hum), (46%Neu), (54%Fem), 25d 05:59 remaining. 18:02 [hdf-us] [nh363] hackedhead (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 993 points, T:2028, killed by a rothe 18:02 I'm really bad at the new vanilla. =| 18:03 [EU] [D]: spline (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 1407 points, 1745 turns, poisoned by a rotted gnome corpse 18:03 -!- stenno\proc has joined #hardfought 18:04 -!- eLtMosen1 has joined #hardfought 18:08 [hdf-eu] [dnh] bubbles (Mon Hlf Mal Law), 42933 points, T:8404, killed by a gnome, while reading a book 18:08 I am never reading anything ever again \p/ 18:10 oh noooooo 18:12 K2: the leash let go when the horse fell down a trapdoor and I got the "program disorder" message again and a "the warhorse is leashed, without a leash" message 18:12 ok 18:14 towardsdawn you remember the exact program in disorder message? 18:15 [US] [D]: IceBox (Wiz-Orc-Mal-Cha), 973792 points, 56333 turns, petrified by a cockatrice corpse (and 18 other games not reported) 18:16 the one that just happened with the trapdoor is "Program in disorder! (Saving and reloading may fix this problem.)" 18:16 ok 18:16 I think the NPC deathmatch one was the same 18:16 -!- jonathanhanes_ has joined #hardfought 18:19 yup i see it (i downloaded your ttyrec) 18:19 !lastgame icebox 18:19 AntiVirus: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/I/IceBox/nethack/dumplog/1572543754.nh.html 18:19 when i have time to spend uninterupted i'll try to re-create it see if we can address it 18:20 prob not for current game but for future games 18:21 ok great 18:22 [EU] [D]: amateurhour (Mon-Hum-Mal-Cha), 42241 points, 13412 turns, killed by a fire elemental 18:22 [EU] [D]: rsa (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 669 points, 1565 turns, killed by a garter snake, while reading a book 18:23 [R] Clan They All Float Down Here advances to rank 9! 18:25 [R] Clan They All Float Down Here advances to rank 6! 18:26 [R] Clan Bane of Rodney advances to rank 6! 18:28 [hdf-eu] [nh363] Vis (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 295 points, T:1492, killed by a bat 18:28 [R] Clan They All Float Down Here advances to rank 6! 18:28 [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Bar Inc Fem Cha), 19736 points, T:5221, killed by an ape, while reading a book 18:29 [R] Clan Bane of Rodney advances to rank 6! 18:31 [US] [D]: engelson (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 520 points, 1702 turns, killed by a mind flayer 18:32 [R] Clan They All Float Down Here advances to rank 6! 18:33 -!- ais523_ has joined #hardfought 18:34 [R] Clan Bane of Rodney advances to rank 6! 18:35 Beholder: messages? 18:35 ais523: Message from FIQ at 2019-11-02 10:41 EST: Managed to track down several subtle problems with 4.2-save. 1: Last diff state isn't loaded correctly when 4.2 loads a save in any way (easy fix). 2: Loading a save using NH3-style load will not load the state fully. I have yet to figure out the reason for this, but there are subtle differences in diffs it 18:35 creates from loading in NH3 vs never going through a save-load cycle (assuming 1 is 18:35 ais523: Message from FIQ at 2019-11-02 10:42 EST: fixed -- otherwise the diff will obviously be massively different). Making the "save" function not actually create a NH3 save will, combined with a fix to 1, allow the game to correctly restore the gamestate fully. 18:35 [R] Clan They All Float Down Here advances to rank 6! 18:35 FIQ: I'm not even sure what to do with bugfixes to 4.2save :-D 18:36 it's not like any of my variants use it at the moment 18:36 if the bugs also exist in dynahack, I guess we could patch them there 18:37 unlikely? as it still uses the old nitrohack save system 18:38 [hdf-eu] [nh363] Vis (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 630 points, T:1477, killed by an imp 18:38 [R] Clan Bane of Rodney advances to rank 6! 18:40 [R] Clan They All Float Down Here advances to rank 6! 18:41 [R] Clan Bane of Rodney advances to rank 6! 18:43 [R] Clan They All Float Down Here advances to rank 6! 18:43 [US] [D]: CALLOUS (Tou-Hum-Fem-Neu), 552 points, 2489 turns, killed by a gecko 18:44 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Val Ang Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:35272 18:46 [US] [D]: wooble (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 35 points, 209 turns, killed by a jackal 18:47 [R] Clan Bane of Rodney advances to rank 6! 18:47 [US] [D]: allanb (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 6710 points, 7102 turns, killed by a white unicorn 18:47 -!- spontiff has joined #hardfought 18:49 [R] Clan They All Float Down Here advances to rank 6! 18:50 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 1036 points, T:2232, killed by a dingo 18:50 [R] Clan Bane of Rodney advances to rank 6! 18:51 [R] Clan They All Float Down Here advances to rank 6! 18:52 [R] Clan Bane of Rodney advances to rank 6! 18:52 [US] [D]: wooble (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 442 points, 1199 turns, killed by a fire ant 18:55 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 602 points, T:1009, killed by a bolt of lightning 18:58 [R] Clan They All Float Down Here advances to rank 6! 18:59 [R] Clan Bane of Rodney advances to rank 6! 19:00 -!- tolkien.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ ¤ public irc logs available on website ¤ ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ¤ TNNT 2019 has begun! Good luck and have fun all! 19:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Croesus] by ChanServ 19:00 [R] Clan They All Float Down Here advances to rank 6! 19:00 [US] [D]: allanb (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 1241 points, 3059 turns, killed by a bugbear 19:01 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Val Ang Fem Law) killed the invisible Malcanthet, on T:35803 19:01 [R] Clan Bane of Rodney advances to rank 6! 19:05 ais523_: heh 19:05 I was mostly wondering if you knew how to decipher diffs 19:05 [R] Clan They All Float Down Here advances to rank 6! 19:05 [EU] [D]: Graznop (Arc-Hum-Fem-Neu), 30098 points, 16353 turns, killed by a soldier ant 19:05 I don't have access to my own computer right now, and won't for about a week 19:05 one problem I noticed is that it seems that save+load leaves the game in a different state from what it's supposed to 19:06 [US] [D]: zoya (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 855 points, 2276 turns, killed by a spear (and 2 other games not reported) 19:06 this mean that the "null" diffs aren't actually correct 19:06 that doesn't actually use diffs in 4.2save, though, does it? 19:06 and after fixing the null diff bug, I notice that it seems to always be the same problem 19:06 [R] Clan Bane of Rodney advances to rank 6! 19:06 [R] Clan Meanwhile in Europe advances to rank 16! 19:06 that uses the appended binary save 19:07 sample save logline in 4.2: 19:07 >5dbf55c0:0:0 d:2 19:07 <7ac1 19:07 ~ f:$315$eNo75MDYwOwOJDJ2uTI2FNoDWaL/6+UCgOz/9ZvDwNTZBDC1OwpMTfcGU38gSlwgPBUI5RQIprj8wNR7RyCl5sTYwLMSaCynBojQBhEhMIIZRLDdARIGjA7MDfoseoxAtj6zA1ODPisLkCkEVrrKA2xeuT+Y4vcFUyshDtibDKYYIDbnhoKpl55g6h6EYofo+1+/IhrMSIwAU59AppaHMDa4sQEt2QAiEkDEUxDxB0R4g4i4//Vnghgb8pmBbMZsICFYAiTuv3EHACdLdX4= 19:07 >5dbf55c0:0:0 d:2 19:07 er, minus 4th line 19:07 [hdf-us] [nh363] RyanHill (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:46927 19:07 when you load from a save, the diff is huge because it doesn't have a "last memfile" stored 19:07 but the diff isn't even right 19:08 because once I fixed the null diff problem 19:08 it's consistently wrong by a few bytes 19:08 as if it's missing something 19:08 [EU] [D]: amateurhour (Mon-Hum-Mal-Cha), 8602 points, 3257 turns, killed by an owlbear 19:08 [R] Clan They All Float Down Here advances to rank 6! 19:08 one thing I noticed when debugging saves, using excessive loading and playing with replay mode 19:08 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Val Ang Fem Law) averted death, on T:36031 19:08 is that whenever you load a save 19:08 things have a major habit of desyncing 19:09 [hdf-us] [nh363] RyanHill (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "2 blessed charging scrolls", on T:47007 19:09 I did find other desync problems, but this is one of the more major cases 19:09 since, well 19:09 it's save+load 19:09 I was able to work-around the problem 19:09 if I disable the "fast diff loading" feature 19:09 and the NH3-style saves 19:09 [hdf-us] [nh363] RyanHill (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of genocide", on T:47007 19:09 [EU] [D]: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 105 points, 517 turns, killed by a small mimic 19:09 [hdf-us] [nh363] RyanHill (Val Hum Fem Law) genocided class ;, on T:47008 19:09 forcing the game to replay using commands+diffs the "slow" way 19:10 it will properly restore the gamestate completely 19:10 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 19:10 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris_ANG] by ChanServ 19:10 and the diffs, etc, that it makes are identical 19:10 such a save *never* broke down in replaymode (which is a useful way to debug the robustness of the save system) 19:10 [hdf-us] [nh363] RyanHill (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed amulet of life saving", on T:47009 19:10 but without these changes 19:11 and enough length of a game with several save+loads 19:11 the save would eventually fail to playback further 19:11 also I found something that I considered rather odd 19:11 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Val Ang Fem Law), 665379 points, T:36040, killed by an invisible marilith, while moving through the air 19:11 4.2 has desync detection 19:12 but it never actually uses this 19:12 outside replaymode 19:12 by default 19:12 for some reason 19:12 :P 19:12 One other thing I found rather odd was that if I tried to replay backwards, the save would consistently desync at tag MTAG_VERSION 19:12 which made no sense to me 19:13 and I was pondering on whether or not this was actually the same bug as what causes loaded games to have a slightly incorrect gamestate 19:13 [hdf-us] [nh363] RyanHill (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased rustproof +2 helm of brilliance", on T:47014 19:13 -!- ProzacElf has joined #hardfought 19:14 [hdf-us] [nh363] RyanHill (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of genocide", on T:47016 19:14 [hdf-us] [nh363] RyanHill (Val Hum Fem Law) genocided class V, on T:47017 19:14 [hdf-us] [nh363] RyanHill (Val Hum Fem Law) genocided class R, on T:47017 19:15 [hdf-us] [nh363] RyanHill (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "2 blessed potions of gain ability", on T:47018 19:22 You feel that someone might be looking for this... 19:22 You can't decipher it. 19:22 You read the scroll. This looks like an arcane fragment of C code. 19:22 omg 19:23 -!- eraserhead97 has joined #hardfought 19:23 does luck impact magic lamps at all or can I rub one out anytime it's blessed? 19:25 [hdf-us] [nh363] RyanHill (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:47160 19:25 [hdf-eu] [nh363] Vis (Tou Hum Mal Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon him by The Lady, on T:2024 19:25 eraserhead97 it impacts the wishing I think 19:25 the enchantment etc 19:26 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 2320 points, T:4793, killed by a death ray, while being terrified of a ghost 19:26 ic - I'll wait until I get a luckstone and pump it up then - thx ^^ 19:27 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Pri Hum Mal Law) made his first wish - "blessed rustproof +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:4790 19:27 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 19:28 @shadowcat is your bowl of Chocolate Chex vegan? 19:28 [EU] [D]: Hill (Arc-Hum-Mal-Neu), 2463 points, 4112 turns, killed by a dwarf, while sleeping 19:33 -!- luxidream2 has joined #hardfought 19:33 -!- luxidream has joined #hardfought 19:33 -!- luxidream3 has joined #hardfought 19:35 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 19:36 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 497 points, T:723, killed by a death ray, while frozen by a monster's gaze 19:36 <{Demo}> found a copy of porks ndnh rc on my hard drive in an unexpected place 19:36 Oho 19:37 [hdf-eu] [nh363] Vis (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 2694 points, T:3562, killed by an orcish arrow 19:38 [EU] [D]: amateurhour (Mon-Hum-Mal-Cha), 191 points, 630 turns, killed by a giant mimic 19:43 !rng break polypileless and bore myself polypiling | go for it 19:43 aosdict: go for it 19:43 [EU] [D]: amateurhour (Mon-Hum-Mal-Cha), 110 points, 507 turns, killed by a giant mimic 19:43 thanks Beholder, just wanted some validation :) 19:44 -!- Chris__ANG has joined #hardfought 19:44 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Chris__ANG] by ChanServ 19:45 <@luxidream> !rng owo uwu :3 19:45 @luxidream: :3 19:46 [EU] [A]: voffer (Val-Hum-Fem-Neu), 2802401 points, 38746 turns, ascended 19:46 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/v/voffer/tnnt/dumplog/1572769069.tnnt.html 19:53 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1422 points, T:1878, killed by a quasit, while praying 19:54 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Pri Hum Mal Law), 12829 points, T:6861, killed by a pit viper, while frozen by a monster's gaze 19:58 [hdf-us] [nh363] hackedhead (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 173 points, T:587, killed by a gnome lord 20:03 [US] [D]: zoya (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 566 points, 1753 turns, killed by a kitten (and one other game not reported) 20:12 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 3299 points, 6964 turns, killed by an owlbear 20:12 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 20:13 [US] [D]: Kame (Tou-Hum-Fem-Neu), 4244 points, 2987 turns, killed by a magic missile 20:17 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 427 points, T:1340, killed by a bolt of cold 20:21 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 166 points, T:266, killed by a small mimic 20:24 ls 20:24 ls 20:24 no 20:24 not here sorry 20:24 . 20:24 .. 20:24 /bin 20:24 /pr0n 20:24 /usr/bin/nethack -D -u wizard 20:25 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 132 points, T:429, killed by a large mimic 20:26 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 1621 points, T:3154, zombified by a kobold zombie 20:27 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 88 points, T:299, killed by a goblin 20:30 [EU] [D]: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 10189 points, 7191 turns, killed by an invisible stalker 20:31 [EU] [D]: gargor (Tou-Hum-Fem-Neu), 264 points, 938 turns, killed by a magic missile 20:34 [hdf-us] [nh363] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 926 points, T:1674, killed by a gnome 20:37 [hdf-eu] [dnh] bubbles (Bin Hlf Mal Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:3166 20:39 [US] [D]: SkippitoFriskito (Bar-Orc-Mal-Cha), 174 points, 524 turns, killed by a jackal, while sleeping off a magical draught 20:40 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 495 points, 1351 turns, killed by an owlbear 20:44 [US] [D]: k2 (Arc-Hum-Mal-Law), 1556 points, 1201 turns, killed by a large cat called Miezekatze 20:44 <{Demo}> haha raisse cat got u 20:44 [US] [D]: shadowcat (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 1470 points, 4050 turns, killed by a little dog 20:45 <{Demo}> I always hope is is a miezekatze bones when I find a bones 20:45 or Poes bones? 20:46 yes Poes still kills people, at least Valks 20:46 <{Demo}> poes is actually in tnnt 20:46 <{Demo}> on the dt level 20:46 <{Demo}> I tamed poes and now poes is a jabberwock 20:50 [US] [D]: Kame (Tou-Hum-Fem-Neu), 10277 points, 7274 turns, killed by a giant mummy 20:51 [hdf-us] [slex] dolores (Dea Dro Fem Cha), 11869 points, T:4888, killed by a monster (master play figure) 20:56 -!- stenno\proc has joined #hardfought 20:57 [EU] [D]: Raisse (Wiz-Gno-Fem-Neu), 842 points, 4533 turns, killed by a shattered potion 20:57 [US] [D]: shadowcat (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 200 points, 1042 turns, killed by a kobold zombie 20:57 The arch-lich touches you! The arch-lich casts a spell at you! 20:57 DL12 20:57 heeeelpppp meeeeee 20:58 If i dig a hole he'll follow yeah? 20:58 it will not follow 20:59 phrew 20:59 It was a doppelgagner thingie 20:59 Turned into an electric eel 20:59 that was scary 21:00 if you teleport a ; on a level with a moat, is it guaranteed to land in the moat because its a 'safe tile'? 21:02 [US] [D]: k2 (Arc-Hum-Mal-Law), 177 points, 602 turns, killed by a gnome 21:07 [US] [D]: k2 (Arc-Hum-Mal-Law), 783 points, 655 turns, killed by an orc-captain 21:10 [US] [D]: Kame (Pri-Hum-Fem-Neu), 2731 points, 3159 turns, killed by a gnome 21:14 Do leather gloves not autoidentify? 21:14 Ahh they could be orychchch 21:15 [hdf-us] [nh363] lordjoe (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 1308 points, T:1728, killed by a gold golem 21:15 <{Demo}> they used to autoid 21:15 <{Demo}> now they dont 21:15 <{Demo}> they still do in ndnh 21:15 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 631 points, T:1097, killed by a gnome lady 21:17 [hdf-us] [nh363] RyanHill (Val Hum Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:53356 21:19 [US] [D]: Kame (Val-Hum-Fem-Neu), 3359 points, 1393 turns, killed by a hill orc called Aiulogruk of Baneaizu 21:21 [US] [D]: engelson (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 5633 points, 3892 turns, killed by a gnome king 21:22 [hdf-eu] [dnh] bubbles (Bin Hlf Mal Non) was given the Pen of the Void, on T:15209 21:22 [EU] [D]: asdf (Pri-Hum-Mal-Law), 780 points, 2278 turns, killed by a giant mimic, while praying 21:24 [US] [D]: k2 (Arc-Hum-Mal-Law), 105 points, 441 turns, killed by a boulder 21:28 in 3.4 does oilskin give mc3? 21:30 [US] [D]: k2 (Arc-Hum-Mal-Law), 575 points, 862 turns, killed by a bolt of cold 21:30 [hdf-eu] [dnh] bubbles (Bin Hlf Mal Non), 110750 points, T:17335, killed by an ogre lord 21:30 not that it matters \o/ 21:32 [US] [D]: k2 (Arc-Hum-Mal-Law), 48 points, 320 turns, killed by a newt 21:34 [hdf-us] [nh363] lordjoe (Kni Hum Mal Law) had Excalibur thrown at them by some watery tart, on T:2270 21:37 [US] [D]: k2 (Arc-Hum-Mal-Law), 70 points, 769 turns, killed by a sewer rat 21:38 go K2 you can do it! 21:39 [US] [D]: IceBox (Wiz-Orc-Fem-Cha), 284 points, 1734 turns, killed by a gas spore's explosion (and one other game not reported) 21:39 apparently I cannot 21:40 -!- eraserhead97 has joined #hardfought 21:48 [US] [D]: tsingi (Rog-Orc-Fem-Cha), 7778 points, 10231 turns, killed by an energy vortex 21:49 [US] [D]: SkippitoFriskito (Bar-Orc-Mal-Cha), 1684 points, 2397 turns, killed by a rabid rat 21:50 bubbles_nh: I think it's MC2 in nh3.x 21:50 er, in both 3.4.x and 3.6.x 21:51 [US] [D]: allanb (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 135 points, 482 turns, killed by a goblin 21:52 [EU] [D]: asdf (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 4017 points, 3352 turns, killed by a Woodland-elf 21:55 [hdf-us] [slex] dolores (Sag Ang Fem Cha) killed the invisible Linus the Cat, on T:3434 21:59 [EU] [D]: Dins (Val-Dwa-Fem-Law), 420619 points, 38140 turns, killed by invisible Demogorgon 22:00 damn - Demo 22:04 [US] [D]: jackofclubs (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 5554 points, 5322 turns, killed by an ettin zombie 22:06 -!- ais523_ has joined #hardfought 22:10 funky RNG - just when I get a chance to go wishless/weaponless/vegan w/lawful monk, I get 3 bonez, 3 magic lamps, magicbane, excalibur, and longsword unlock (just got down to Dlvl:10)... ...got MR from Raisse bonez - looking for reflection now 22:12 I'll prolly YASD w/rubber-chicken or c-egg or green slime or something ridiculous - karmic balance 22:13 YANI: using multiple light sources at once increases the radius of the resulting light in a root-sum-square way (currently, candles increase the radius in a logarithmic way, nothing else stacks) 22:15 [EU] [D]: Graznop (Tou-Hum-Fem-Neu), 332 points, 2252 turns, killed by a dagger 22:18 does MR or reflection counter WoD? 22:18 both do 22:18 oh... 22:18 i think you get some damage with only MR 22:18 and none with reflection 22:18 ic 22:18 thx ^^ 22:18 [EU] [D]: amateurhour (Mon-Hum-Mal-Cha), 23293 points, 7371 turns, killed by a leocrotta 22:19 unless you target yourself with it 22:19 in which case you die no matter what 22:19 unless you are, say, a vampire (you feel no deader than before) or hallucinating (you have an out of body experience) 22:22 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 22:23 lol - it almost sounds like you've tried it b4 - rofl 22:23 well i have gone in vampire form against death on astral 22:23 ok - quest portal in large room 22:24 [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 833 points, 1638 turns, killed by an invisible dwarf (and 66 other games not reported) 22:24 how does that help (lemme know - I got killed by death yesterday - didn't have a =oFA and even an amuLS didn't save me)? 22:25 "oLS reduces paralysis duration to 1 turn, IIRC 22:26 most code for reducing helplessness does so by setting the duration to 1 turn rather than trying to cancel it outright, presumably to avoid bugs due to it not ending properly 22:26 unfortunately, in some cases, that 1 turn is enough time for the monster to kill you again :-( 22:27 I still got effectively two shotted by death - the first time, I lost hp/maxHP - 2nd time, "LS disintegrated and I was dead 22:27 maybe there were some shades or something else around 22:29 death's touch of death reduces HP even when you are MR 22:29 but not if you are already undead 22:29 iirc 22:29 [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 263 points, 641 turns, killed by a gnome (and 11 other games not reported) 22:30 at least, it does in variants 22:30 ic - that's a neat trick (I like it ^^) 22:31 iirc rubber-chicken doesn't break weaponless, right? 22:34 correct 22:35 ty ^^ 22:35 [US] [Q]: Luxidream (Wiz-Orc-Fem-Cha), 9842 points, 8213 turns, quit (and 17 other games not reported) 22:35 ais523_: I thought you already implemented the light source thing...? (At least, we've already discussed this, and xnethack has candles stack according to sqrt(num of candles). 22:36 I don't remember doing that, maybe I did though 22:36 I know I had the idea earlier for candles 22:36 it just crossed my mind that it'd make sense for other light sources too 22:36 [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 508 points, 1434 turns, killed by an elven dagger (and 15 other games not reported) 22:37 How would that combine exactly? 1 candle has "light power" of 2, but I think that's an offset from 1 or something, like a candle is 1 and then you always add 1 to the output to make it not meaningless? 22:37 How many candles would I need to augment a lantern to make its radius 4? 22:37 one candle has a light radius of sqrt(2) 22:37 (yes, this is a new idea with respect to non-candles) 22:38 (NetHack does radius calculations with square roots already, so it's easy enough to handle this) 22:38 if you want a radius of four, that's sqrt(16), so you would need eight candles 22:38 with a lantern you'd subtract the square of its radius from 16 and halve 22:39 what is the radius of a lantern, anyway? I can't remember offhand 22:39 3 22:39 it's 3 for all lamps + blessed Sunsword 22:39 if it's exactly 3, = sqrt(9), then you'd need 3½ candles 22:39 to bring it up to 16 22:39 but it might be 3 and a bit, the fractional part isn't easy to see during typical gameplay 22:40 wtf - 4th magic lamp and I'm only on Dlvl:13 22:40 my memory of it is more like sqrt(10) than 3 22:40 If one candle has radius of sqrt(2) then won't it just light up the 8 adjacent squares making it mostly useless 22:40 oh right, yes 22:40 [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 167 points, 144 turns, killed by a red mold (and 72 other games not reported) 22:40 for some reason I thought that that's what they did 22:40 but they light up more than that 22:40 hmm, perhaps the player "naturally" has a light radius of sqrt(2) 22:40 then light sources add on to that 22:41 IIRC there's some compensation explicitly to avoid the light source 22:41 IIRC there's some compensation explicitly to avoid the *light source radius of 1 22:41 yellow lights have a radius of sqrt(2), don't they? 22:41 yes 22:42 but I think the player is brighter than that in yellow light polyform? 22:42 or maybe not? 22:42 the current code (only candles stack) has the radius start at 1 and increment once, plus once more for each power of 7 in the stack 22:43 yes, that's the official-devteam-NetHack code 22:43 I don't like it mostly because a) it's physically unrealistic, b) it's gameplay-unrealistic (even gathering 49 candles is silly, and 343 is ridiculous) 22:43 oh yes I agree totally with you there 22:44 it just appears not to do any sort of square root or squaring calculation when dealing with radii, so I'm unsure what your code would look like 22:44 the numbers are all stored as their squares itnernally 22:44 *internally 22:45 the code for determining whether something is within a given radius does an x * x + y * y calculation on the differences in x and y coordinates, using Pythagoras' theorem 22:45 [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 535 points, 1153 turns, killed by a kitten (and 5 other games not reported) 22:45 but that's the only place the squaring actually explicitly happens, otherwise the code just works entirely with squared radii 22:45 so n starts at 2 (fake "natural" light) then adds 2 for each lit candle being carried and 9 for each lamp being carried? 22:46 that seems about right 22:46 maybe candles have to be 3 22:46 they should probably be able to reach at least sqrt(5) (a knight's move), otherwise they'd still be mostly useless 22:46 [US] [D]: tsingi (Rog-Orc-Fem-Cha), 876 points, 2322 turns, killed by a bolt of cold 22:46 oh right, sqrt(4) only gives you the ring of 8 plus 4 squares 22:47 However, if you wanted to do anything with these more fine-grained radii, you might have to rewrite the light code 22:48 [US] [D]: jackofclubs (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 2062 points, 2866 turns, killed by a vampire bat 22:48 I think, or at least hope, that it works based on calculating the player's light radius first 22:48 so that would fix it for players and monsters, at least 22:48 unattended lights lying on the ground would be harder 22:48 Other idea: Do the calculation I mentioned above for n, then find the square root of n (rounding down), and return that integer 22:48 [US] [D]: Kame (Val-Hum-Fem-Neu), 155049 points, 11749 turns, killed by a water elemental (and one other game not reported) 22:49 [US] [D]: truculent (Cav-Hum-Mal-Neu), 134478 points, 32586 turns, killed by a death ray 22:49 (do unattended candles lying on the ground grow more brightly in large stacks? what if you split the stacks?) 22:51 Carrying a stack of 3 wax candles and 4 tallow candles, both lit, in vanilla still only gives me a light radius of 2 22:54 [US] [D]: porkman (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 4490 points, 3377 turns, killed by a forest centaur (and 52 other games not reported) 22:57 [hdf-us] [nh363] samiam (Pri Hum Mal Law), 562 points, T:3188, killed by a kobold lord 22:58 ugh 22:58 this feels like a strong TDTTOE violation :-( 22:59 unfortunately, I have no real hope of fixing it in the near future 23:04 [US] [D]: oh6 (Hea-Hum-Fem-Neu), 2422 points, 3262 turns, killed by a black unicorn 23:04 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 1373 points, T:2078, killed by a gnome, while sleeping 23:04 -!- jessek has joined #hardfought 23:04 [US] [D]: jmcunx (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 1187 points, 3938 turns, killed by a killer bee 23:05 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 89 points, T:154, killed by a kobold 23:07 [US] [D]: porkman (Wiz-Gno-Mal-Neu), 442 points, 1033 turns, killed by a giant bat (and 22 other games not reported) 23:07 -!- AntiVirus has joined #hardfought 23:07 5th magic lamp, 4th bonez by Dlvl:21 23:07 [US] [D]: efot (Hea-Gno-Fem-Neu), 2384 points, 9970 turns, killed by a chameleon imitating a jabberwock 23:08 truculent-Cav-Hum-Mal-Neu, killed by death ray - knew it was coming 8^P 23:11 [US] [D]: IceBox (Wiz-Orc-Fem-Cha), 8945 points, 9346 turns, killed by a dog, while frozen by a monster's gaze (and 25 other games not reported) 23:11 <@scj643> Any admins on? 23:11 yeah 23:12 whats up 23:12 <@scj643> I forgot my password 23:12 <@scj643> Password manager must not have saved it 23:12 either private message me or send an email to admin@hardfought.org the email account you used to make your account 23:12 and your username 23:14 <@scj643> Sent 23:15 got it 23:15 one sec 23:16 [US] [D]: IceBox (Wiz-Orc-Fem-Cha), 104 points, 583 turns, killed by a fox (and 35 other games not reported) 23:18 @scj643 replied with what to do 23:20 [US] [D]: allanb (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 15771 points, 9702 turns, killed by an ogre 23:22 <@scj643> Thanks 23:22 no prob 23:22 <@scj643> K2: How hard would it be to implement ssh key auth 23:24 that wouldnt be practical, dlg isnt written for it. plus it'd screw up the rcedit function on the website 23:24 *dgl 23:25 [hdf-us] [nh363] lordjoe (Kni Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:9458 23:26 -!- dbanethacker has joined #hardfought 23:26 <@scj643> Ah 23:27 Hi K2 - I figured out more about that towel. When I 'x' to a different weapon, then the status of my towel (moist, dry) changes in Curses. Otherwise if I hit 'i' its status doesn't change in Curses. 23:29 [EU] [D]: deki (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 2184 points, 3920 turns, killed by a hill orc 23:31 ok cool 23:31 you want to send up a bug report to the devteam? :) 23:32 you get the credit 23:32 https://nethack.org/common/contact.html 23:33 <@rikersan> isn't that a curses bug, not a vanilla nethack bug? 23:33 <@rikersan> or does the devteam take responsibility for both 23:33 curses made its way into 3.6.x official 23:33 thanks to Tangles 23:34 <@rikersan> ooh nice 23:34 where you been lol 23:35 <@rikersan> playing dnethack not vanilla :) 23:35 [EU] [D]: Graznop (Wiz-Elf-Fem-Cha), 787 points, 1989 turns, killed by a gnome 23:36 [US] [D]: oh6 (Pri-Hum-Mal-Law), 1809 points, 3119 turns, killed by a watch captain 23:38 [EU] [A]: Anerag (Bar-Orc-Mal-Cha), 2374106 points, 33628 turns, ascended 23:38 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Anerag/tnnt/dumplog/1572957493.tnnt.html 23:38 [Tr] Anerag now has All The Alignments! 23:42 -!- AntiVirus has joined #hardfought 23:43 [US] [D]: porkman (Wiz-Gno-Mal-Neu), 872 points, 2039 turns, killed by a rothe, while taking off clothes (and 58 other games not reported) 23:45 -!- stenno\proc has joined #hardfought 23:52 [hdf-us] [nh363] lordjoe (Kni Hum Mal Law), 30875 points, T:11293, killed by a giant mummy, while praying 23:56 "£($*& orctown 23:57 <@rikersan> be an orc and summon all the demon lords you can on the altar 23:57 all 2 of them 23:57 <@rikersan> sssshhhh 23:57 <@rikersan> you can get free foocubi too! 23:57 YANI: The vibrating square appears in #overview. 23:57 Assuming you discovered it on the map.