00:00 aosdict, eraserhead97, etc: i know about the zscoring, but i'd like to get a weaponless asc. so am going to play one more monk and then i will vary it up ! TURTLES! 00:02 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Mon Hum Fem Law) killed Death, on T:57229 00:02 i'm debating whether to start scum.. it sure LOOKS bad lol... The funny thing is that I did roll a few times trying to get a marker and then gave up. i should have just gone with the first character... 00:02 * rebatela scums for marker 00:03 -!- TheGame20 has joined #hardfought 00:04 [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Sam Swn Fem Law) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:8298 00:07 Kontroller-Val-Hum-Fem-Law bonze 00:07 salivating over potential longsword (but will need to unlock as archaeologist) 00:09 a very corroded long sword - makes you go hmm... 00:09 [EU] [D]: swegen (Ran-Elf-Mal-Cha), 21609 points, 12100 turns, killed by a jabberwock 00:10 [hdf-us] [nh363] oh6 (Mon Hum Fem Law), 3070089 points, T:57310, ascended 00:10 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/o/oh6/nethack/dumplog/1572322634.nh.html 00:10 Gratz, oh6! 00:13 <@rikersan> wow demo the archipelago is rather lethal 00:13 <@rikersan> there's hella moccasins 00:15 :thanks, eraserhead97! 00:15 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 00:17 <@rikersan> @d?mortai 00:17 mortai (E) | Lvl: 20 | Diff: 26 | Spd: 24 | Res: poison petrification | Confers: nothing | MR: 125 | Generates: special | AC: -10 | Attacks: 10d10 cast shock, 5d10 claw wet, 5d10 engulf physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: flies, mindless, unsolid, regenerates, vegan 00:18 [US] [D]: ShivanHunter (Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha), 442 points, 1097 turns, killed by a kitten (and 12 other games not reported) 00:18 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Cav Bat Mal Neu), 20 points, T:101, killed by a falling rock 00:19 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Cav Bat Mal Neu), 258 points, T:141, killed by a marid 00:19 -!- jonathanhanes_ has joined #hardfought 00:21 [hdf-au] [nh363] plisp (Sam Hum Fem Law), 6052 points, T:4452, killed by a vampire in bat form, while frozen by a monster's gaze 00:27 [hdf-us] [nh363] SkydiveMike (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 5316650 points, T:145596, ascended 00:27 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/S/SkydiveMike/nethack/dumplog/1565831390.nh.html 00:28 -!- hdf-guest-6 has joined #hardfought 00:32 [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Sam Swn Fem Law), 36198 points, T:11685, killed by an ettin mummy 00:39 damn - almost sloppy death by Muzak 8^P 00:39 mumak 00:40 [US] ShivanHunter has 100 consecutive games less than 100 turns. 00:40 [US] [Q]: jonathanhanes (Sam-Hum-Mal-Law), 10692 points, 8225 turns, quit 00:44 [US] [D]: gxe99 (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 590 points, 1699 turns, killed by a dwarf lord 00:48 [US] [D]: krm26 (Arc-Hum-Fem-Law), 4173 points, 5042 turns, killed by a rabid rat 00:49 [EU] [D]: thorsb (Bar-Hum-Mal-Neu), 8053 points, 6222 turns, killed by an ochre jelly 00:50 [R] Clan The Would-Be Kings moves to ranking position 9! 00:50 [US] [D]: gxe99 (Pri-Elf-Fem-Cha), 223 points, 1037 turns, killed by a dwarf 00:58 -!- ruffni has joined #hardfought 01:13 [US] [D]: MHL (Tou-Hum-Fem-Neu), 3596 points, 5341 turns, killed by a bolt of cold 01:13 if I #force a chest with Excalibur, it's unbreakable, right? (Xp:9 and I don't have a key - kinda embarrassing) 01:18 [US] [D]: Bartlem (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 59 points, 112 turns, killed by a newt 01:18 <{Demo}> i think its totally breakable 01:18 <{Demo}> in vanilla 01:19 ok - thx ^^ 01:20 forgot I had daggers - think it's time for a break 01:24 [AU] [D]: ogmobot (Rog-Hum-Fem-Cha), 14930 points, 10761 turns, killed by a mumak 01:25 [R] Clan #pray moves to ranking position 11! 01:25 ya i use daggers early on when i don't have key. i don't think exaclibur will break on a chest tho! that would drive me nuts if it did 01:25 [US] [D]: Bartlem (Tou-Hum-Fem-Neu), 226 points, 1095 turns, killed by a hobbit 01:25 <{Demo}> never trust vanilla to protect artifacts 01:26 oh i've vaporized them before 01:26 <{Demo}> eating them is an issue 01:26 <{Demo}> ok looks like forcing with excal is fine 01:26 [EU] [D]: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 23813 points, 9149 turns, killed by a watch captain 01:26 but i don't see exaclibur snapping on a chest lock 01:27 [R] Clan unfoog moves to ranking position 4! 01:27 might be a cheap imitation of excalibur ^^ 01:28 <@Umby> Excalipoor 01:28 rofl 01:29 <{Demo}> the votd is kind of goofy 01:29 <{Demo}> and i think that can be seen by some of the things some variants do with it 01:30 Artifacts can break in vanilla when forcing chests. 01:30 [US] [D]: Bartlem (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 153 points, 388 turns, killed by a gnome lord 01:30 <{Demo}> ah yeah shit they can its only 99% resistance 01:30 <{Demo}> yeah no dont do that 01:30 *cking mumak - brought me down to HP:2(60) with AC:-4 01:30 wtf sokoban is this 01:31 http://home.fiq.se/weirdoban.png 01:31 good to know 01:31 [US] [D]: Wolfechu (Pri-Elf-Mal-Cha), 1883 points, 2471 turns, killed by a werejackal 01:31 <{Demo}> fiq what is that 01:31 that's happened to you, pinkbeast? 01:31 <{Demo}> variant wise 01:31 it's a sokoban variant 01:31 oh 01:31 dynahack 01:31 you snapped grayswandir on a box? 01:31 <@IceBox> it's definitely not a tnnt approved soko variant! 01:31 I'm messing with dynahack save system 01:31 <{Demo}> dynawhack 01:32 to get a pause from killing tnnt chars 01:32 <{Demo}> fair 01:32 i would never do it come to think of it.... because i'd expect something like that to happen to me 01:32 rebatela: No, I checked the source (and the Hugo-O'Donnell spoilers, and Demo confirms). 01:32 basically dynahack save system has severe bugs 01:32 and I've been trying to track them down 01:32 <{Demo}> basically vanilla is dumb and doesnt know how to treat artifacts consistently 01:32 I have had some success 01:32 oh good.. well now i can go to sleep 01:32 [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 365 points, 1708 turns, killed by a large kobold 01:32 <{Demo}> and no one has gone through and standardized things 01:32 <@IceBox> that's horrifying pinkbeast, i've forced at least 100 chests open with excal, haha 01:32 <@IceBox> just been skating by on luck till now i suppose 01:33 it's never happened to anyone though... 01:33 oh yeah 01:33 <{Demo}> is it a 99 chance of not breaking or is it normal chance then a 99 saving throw? 01:33 <{Demo}> cnt find percent key its too dark 01:33 in vanilla, artifact resistance is usually (but not always!) the inverse of how often a regular object resists 01:33 <{Demo}> hmmmm 01:33 most objects have a 1% of resisting destruction for something 01:33 for artifacts it's 99% 01:33 I think it's 1% of the odds a regular weapon would break (which for an unrusted +0 weapon is .67) 01:34 i found grayswandir in the perseus statue the other day... what are the odds of that? 01:34 <{Demo}> 1/40 of the arti i think times 1/whatever of him having a silver saber? 01:35 yep 01:35 funny though .i couldn't believe it 01:35 ... 01:35 [US] [D]: Bartlem (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 115 points, 883 turns, killed by a fox 01:35 I was annoyed over how the Perseus article had a bunch of info on the mythological person 01:35 when I just wanted to check statue content 01:36 <{Demo}> oh 1/20 * chance of it having grays 01:36 maybe because I was on wikipedia 01:36 [US] [D]: xxxstout (Arc-Dwa-Mal-Law), 776 points, 3081 turns, killed by a bolt of fire 01:36 it's 1/40 for a silver saber to be grays 01:37 generally speaking, I believe that each weapon have a 1/20 of generating as an artifact 01:37 is it really 1/20 for the statue? i've never heard of that happening to anyone and certainly hasn't happened to me through hundreds of statues 01:37 <{Demo}> if (artif && !rn2(20)) otmp = mk_artifact(otmp, (aligntyp) A_NONE); 01:37 so you have a 1/20 chance of whatever the chance of a silver saber is 01:37 then distribute between all artifact choices equally 01:37 FIQ: the grayswandir article says any silver saber has 1/40 chance 01:37 I think werebane is also a silver saber 01:37 <{Demo}> yeah werebane is still i think 01:37 ah, that would be the reason why 01:37 <{Demo}> ah yeah 01:38 yeah so it's probably a coin flip between werebane and grays 01:38 because they're both silver sabers 01:38 so 1/20 * 1/2 01:38 <{Demo}> imagine getting werebane in the perseus statue :( 01:38 ha 01:38 heh 01:38 [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 34 points, 161 turns, killed by a falling rock 01:38 and it doens't even unlock saber beause you found it 01:38 <{Demo}> how much does that really matter though? 01:39 there's a rogue storekeeper trapped in a boulder fort - I wonder if I can just pick him off with a bow and arrow (murder ok - got tin of floating eyes)... 01:39 i used the grayswandir for a while but i was playing monk obviously and i think that was the game i died on the water plane (evil) 01:40 the way NetHack code deals with double damage 01:40 demo: probably not at all? I don't udnerstand how weapon skills work at all 01:40 leads me to believe that DT did not actually intend for grays to be x2, but rather a lack of bonus 01:40 besides the hallu res 01:40 * rebatela plays weaponless 90% of time 01:41 <{Demo}> honestly thats possible 01:41 <{Demo}> nethack seems heavily based on unchecked mistakes that just kind of became "eh ok thats what this is now" 01:41 haha 01:41 FOR Sure 01:41 <{Demo}> martial arts in vanilla is...???? 01:41 but not always 01:41 it's not a bug it's a feature 01:42 oh wait, I can polymorph storekeeper first... (nice wiki) 01:42 see Yeenoghu's touch of death 01:42 <{Demo}> trying to figure out how martial arts is supposed to be balanced for late/end game? 01:42 eraserhead97: that's my move... is there really a wiki for it ? 01:42 hm 01:42 you don't get murder if you turn the shpk into a newt first.... 01:42 now I'm tempted to reinstate it if you're hallucinating 01:42 <{Demo}> it looks like you aren't supposed to use it by then and find a weapon? 01:42 which makes you immune anyway 01:43 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Murder 01:43 so that Yeenoghu's attack while hallu says "Was that the touch of death?" 01:43 The simplest way to get rid of a peaceful human while avoiding the penalty for murder is to let your pet do the dirty work. You can also polymorph your victims before killing them. Note that a failed polymorph, " shudders." (system shock), still counts as murder. 01:43 I didn't know this - next time, I'll polymorph any shopkeepers I can't kill 01:43 can still shudder 01:44 which for monsters is an instadeath 01:44 aye - but I got tin of floating eyes 01:44 [US] [D]: Bartlem (Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu), 216 points, 940 turns, killed by a dwarf 01:44 eraserhead97: don't tell anyone. they'll nerf it lol 01:44 <{Demo}> why does hallu block touch of death? 01:44 just want to get items off of him 01:44 <{Demo}> like i dont get the flavor there 01:44 rebatela - lol you're right! 01:44 {Demo}: idk 01:44 I never questioned it 01:45 besides "it's NetHack" 01:45 come to think of, "Touch of Death" sounds like a monk ability... 01:45 there's a lot of weird interactions that don't make much sense 01:45 my favorite move? donate to a cross aligned priest for a while and then turn him into an ochje jelly or something and magic missile, get all my loot back and then donate to another priest (temple of valley etc) 01:45 eraserhead97: you mean like, a pressure point thing? 01:45 rebatela v.nice! 01:45 yeah - just standard martial arts lore... 01:46 <{Demo}> how do people do strong late game monks? 01:46 <{Demo}> in vanilla 01:46 rebatela should know... 01:46 you still deal with the lightining strike from the other god if you F with the priest 01:46 so you need relfection etc 01:47 but. F that.. I want my 50000 zkmds back 01:47 {Demo}: wear body armor 01:47 use a good weapon 01:47 <{Demo}> i think ive ascended a couple monks but i cant ever remember how i didnt have problems 01:47 demo: martial arts and spellcasting 01:47 i wish for the eye 01:47 <{Demo}> cause looking at it on paper it looks terrible 01:47 <{Demo}> i dont play neutrals 01:47 (the other eye) 01:47 and play monks like a wizard who can fight 01:48 <{Demo}> monks are way worse than wizards 01:48 <{Demo}> at casting that is 01:48 at what? 01:48 oh 01:48 the one monk I played 01:48 [US] [D]: shadowcat (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 5902 points, 3681 turns, killed by a vampire lord 01:48 i thought you meant at staying alive 01:48 <{Demo}> no at staying alive early on they are easy 01:48 they get basic in every school... 01:48 in vanilla(-ish, it was probably NH4) 01:48 but monks are much more robust in start-mid game 01:48 what are you looking to do ? 01:48 teach 01:48 ? 01:48 basically played wizard 01:48 lategame 01:48 also 01:48 <{Demo}> wizard relies on the eye a lot though 01:48 monk has IMO the easiest earlygame across them all 01:49 you can cast polymoprh at 0% fail as a monk eventually 01:49 cancel, finger of death pretty reliably... every other spell 0% fail 01:49 free trinsics and very good to-hit with martial arts 01:49 <{Demo}> how to fund pw? 01:49 Eota 01:49 it's only later, when roles can enchant weapons 01:49 that monks start sucking 01:49 because they can't 01:49 <{Demo}> eota isnt a reasonable answer 01:49 <{Demo}> you need an early wish for that 01:49 <@rikersan> imagine playing a variant with QA wishing rebatela :) 01:49 yeah I used eota 01:50 wished in castle iirc 01:50 yes...so i play until i get my wish and then i wish for eye 01:50 [AU] [D]: Andrio (Wiz-Hum-Mal-Neu), 677 points, 755 turns, killed by a gnome 01:50 <{Demo}> i always play chaotic anyways lol 01:50 rip 01:50 i could ascend fine without spellcasting. but that's always my first wish 01:50 seriously though 01:50 you can also just play melee lategame 01:50 the to-hit penalty of -20 01:50 <{Demo}> im like 20 some k turns in and i havent got any wishes 01:50 doesn't really matter when you get like +40 to-hit 01:50 lategame 01:50 *regular melee 01:50 are you playing locally demo? 01:51 !whereis Demo 01:51 FIQ: Demo is not playing. 01:51 yeah, sometimes you don't get an early wish. I know you know this tho! lol 01:51 $whereis Demo 01:51 FIQ: Demo is not playing. 01:51 oh - that's funny - one of the boulders polymorphed into a kobold statue 01:52 <{Demo}> tnnt 01:52 <{Demo}> im not playing right now, about to go to bed 01:52 it's really a nethack thing that others have mentioned- you really can't spellcast w/out the eye 01:52 yay - storekeeper turned into Frost Giant - easy kill 01:53 stealing all my tricks... 01:53 evilhack pisses me off because sometiems the shopkeeps only have like 1200 bucks or something on them 01:54 <{Demo}> wait wtf ive ascended fh? 01:54 i shake em down, polymorph them, and then theyre BROKE 01:54 excalibur is so UBER... ...it seems like I don't even need to unlock longsword 01:55 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Cav Bat Mal Neu) was given Vorpal Blade, on T:2098 01:56 <@rikersan> demo: bot maybe? 01:56 [EU] [D]: Kontroller (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 2048 points, 3659 turns, killed by a pony 01:56 <{Demo}> yes because a bot capable of ascending fh exists 01:57 rebatela: Evilhack gives shopkeepers the same amount of money as vanilla. 01:57 <{Demo}> found a monk asc of mine on nao, was using frost brand and stormy and wearing gdsm and a robe 01:58 Pinkbeast: this is not true... I have killed MANY a shopkeep in EH 01:58 <{Demo}> and apparently rocking some strong spells 01:58 sometimes they have 3 grandish 01:58 rebatela: It is true; check the source. 01:58 sometimes they do onot 01:58 ehhh i don't care that much... maybe i'm wrong 01:59 Indeed. 01:59 {Demo}: it was probably prompted by some exploit discussion 01:59 Indeed. 01:59 that's what usually transpires between us in 90% of talks 01:59 something "this mechanic is dumb" 02:00 something fh does differently, or according to it, or something 02:00 "I should ascend fh" 02:00 <{Demo}> lol 02:00 and go do it 02:00 Well, it bothers me more when people who don't even play the game are doubting my experience.. 02:00 Or something like that :P 02:00 rebatela: Check the source. 02:00 <{Demo}> no looking at the log i figured it out 02:00 <{Demo}> i got bored with the game and slammed a wonder potion cause lol 02:00 I don't give a A SHIT... I don't want to check the source. I actually PLAY the game 02:00 oh 02:00 <{Demo}> and it gave me flying so i had a god given duty to finish it 02:00 enjoy being right 02:00 i couldn't give a fuck 02:00 yeah I checked your fh game list 02:01 the occasional run every so often once a month on average 02:01 rebatela: For someone who doesn't give a shit, you seem, well, very invested in not giving a fuck. 02:01 then one asc all of a sudden 02:01 during junethack 02:01 you played 3 non-scum games that junethack 02:01 yeah, i'm not lookin for a fight on 10pm friday night on a nethack server. go get your dick wet jesus 02:02 {Demo}: I saw someone (I think it was puck) get intrinsic phase 02:02 from wonder 02:02 i play this game for fun 02:02 not to look up source code and prove peopel's anecdotal experieneces wrong 02:02 from wonder 02:02 Uh... all I did was point out shopkeeper initial capital wasn't changed. It's you who seems to be made very angry by this. 02:02 i'm so angry 02:03 i've killed a bunch of shopkeepers who have had less than 3000 dollars 02:03 -!- Kontroller has joined #hardfought 02:03 i commented on it 02:03 it's not the center oof my night 02:04 Right. This is also not a remarkable amount for a vanilla shopkeeper to have; they can have as few as 1030. 02:04 <{Demo}> I did a 3.6.0 monk once 02:04 Well, I guess we're going to have to have a ceremony for you 02:04 <{Demo}> but the twist was I started with phasing 02:05 you know what nethack needs 02:05 <{Demo}> stupidly easy 02:05 I have no idea what i'm talking about. I've never been more embarrassed in my life 02:05 you know how nobody likes the boring mazes nethack has? 02:05 let's make it so that it re-generates every 100 turns or so :D 02:05 I'm sure that will make things much better 02:05 go back to soup dungeon pink 02:06 actually I think most shopkeepers have less than $3000 02:06 Correct; about 2/3rds of them do 02:06 I'm sure I'm wrong 02:06 <{Demo}> shks have over 10000 02:06 I don't know how i'll sleep tonight 02:06 ime avg is something like 2500 02:06 <{Demo}> when I'm done with them 02:07 you really told me pinkbeast 02:07 but idk the actual avg 02:07 2515. 02:07 ha 02:07 not a bad guesstimation 02:07 LOTS of people stopped playing when they nerfed elbereth.. go play the soup stone game 02:07 -!- Smeger1 has joined #hardfought 02:07 rebatela: Are you drunk, or what? 02:08 rebatela: dude 02:08 now you're just being rude 02:08 yes drunk 02:08 Then for Pete's sake dry up before you make more of a tit of yourself. 02:08 I'm sure K2 would be happy to show you the door 02:08 do you play nh? 02:09 if you continue with actual personal attacks 02:09 what does that mean? 02:09 rather than just plain arguing 02:09 <@rikersan> does squeezing in soko have luck penalties? 02:09 unless you play unnethack+some other variants, yes 02:09 <@rikersan> wonder if dnh is included :/ 02:09 <@rikersan> it's hella annoying to do soko as a race with hella carrycap 02:09 how is it personal? he complains about nethack. says he doesn't play. I can't criticize someone who doens't play nethack anymore and the game he is always plugging? 02:09 everything that can be used to cheat in sokoban, minus jumping into holes, but including jumping (which doesn't allow you to cheat) 02:10 now you want k2 to ban me? 02:10 no 02:10 i'm joking around for the most part 02:10 I want him to kick you at most 02:10 until you're sober 02:10 <@rikersan> fuck rip luck 02:10 i'll leave on my own.. 02:10 <@rikersan> it does in dnh 02:10 what did i say that was wrong? 02:10 i'm just busting balls 02:10 you stopped plain arguing and began with actual personal attacks 02:11 i wouldn't go to a stone soup channel and talk about nethack and how much stone soup sucks 02:11 that's when you started to go a bit too far imo 02:11 neither is anyone in here 02:11 doing the reverse 02:11 ? 02:11 also fwiw most opinions are valuable 02:12 fair enough 02:12 even if you fundamentally disagree with the person overall on something 02:12 for example, I've sometimes taken LarienTelrunya's complaints about my variant and responded to it 02:12 how did i attack personally? i think it's weird to be around a bunch of people playing a game and constantly talking about how much it sucks 02:12 despite the fact that I can't stand her variant and vice versa 02:13 i just read scrollback. What did i say? 02:13 the dude looked up the source code so he could prove me wrong. it's annoyin 02:13 g 02:13 you must be new here 02:13 i called him out for it... wtf 02:13 source diving isn't exactly rare 02:14 [US] [D]: shadowcat (Val-Hum-Fem-Law), 3759 points, 4679 turns, killed by brainlessness 02:14 I source dive all the time to confirm/deny something 02:14 <@rikersan> also a good bit of the people here literally write the source (for variants mostly but I mean ais exists) 02:14 it wasn't the source diving... and you haven't been around.. this goes back 02:14 @rikersan over time we've amassed more vanilla developers 02:14 but not the truly active ones 02:14 pb and i have had squables before 02:14 I wonder if there's a link there :) 02:14 i'm not sure why you're getting involved 02:15 we've argued before. people are different. 02:15 I started caring when you started telling him that his opinion sucked and that he should leave 02:15 before that I didn't care 02:15 oh 02:16 i didn't mean leave HERE 02:16 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 02:16 hi stenno 02:16 who am i to say that? you're right 02:17 fiq: i think pinkbeast and i are cool and you're jumping into something. but whatever. call k2 and have me 'kicked'. i don't even know what that means? 02:17 enjoy your friday 02:17 or saturday (not sure where y'all are) 02:17 <3 pinkbeast 02:17 i think we're cool? we seem to joke around a lot? 02:18 <@IceBox> ❤ rebatela ❤ pinkbeast ❤ fiq fuck orctown 02:18 orctown sucks 02:18 it can go die in a fire 02:18 no offense meant for the developer 02:18 i just don't understand jumping in when people are bickering. i didn't say antyhing really bad. wtf. iti was all in good fun imo 02:18 that introduced it 02:19 maybe play the game fiq? (ohhhhhh snap) 02:19 <@IceBox> who was that developer...you know who to thank each time? 02:19 hahaha 02:19 the sporkhack dev 02:19 lorimer is to bla--er, I mean praise 02:20 do you play the game ? 02:20 there's a tournament 02:20 for the wonderful addition to the game 02:20 which never frustrates me ever 02:20 <@IceBox> excellent i will keep them in mind each time i see these orcs 02:20 <@IceBox> fiq's been crushin it for ootc babay! 02:20 rebatela: yes, I have played plenty of games 02:20 today 02:20 i mean these days 02:20 <@IceBox> except when he's checking out silly soko variants 02:20 oh good 02:20 including a splat 02:20 of a wiz 02:20 because I decided that quaff-testing potions was a good idea 02:20 wizards are hard 02:21 hint 02:21 it is not 02:21 <@IceBox> until you get magicbane, then they're a joke 02:21 I polymorphed into a dragon 02:21 <@IceBox> unless you dont believe in sweet baby E 02:21 and lost my CoMR 02:21 and armor reverted to scales 02:21 <@IceBox> hey there are worse poly forms though 02:21 first wordl problems I know, most people don't even have scales at that point in the game 02:21 <@IceBox> oh DSM 😦 02:21 *world 02:22 my point.. and I'm not going to say anymore about it, is that you haven't exaclty been around... Pinkbeast, Demo, lots of people don't like me . I argue with them. But it's all in good fun. I have no idead why you are upset 02:22 there was also a decent game I lost around tourney start 02:22 rebatela: No, we are not "cool", these angry drunken ramblings where you can't even remember your own point from one sentence to the next are not remotely welcome. 02:22 where Lux was heading for Gehennom in his first game, I had just finished sokoban 02:22 oh o 02:22 ok 02:22 fair enouh 02:22 on my very first game, no deaths yet 02:22 i will never be back 02:22 where a stupid snake killed me 02:22 pinkbeast who doesn't play nethack has forced me away 02:23 due to poison instadeath 02:23 I was not amused 02:23 In any sane universe a conversation that goes "I think X" "No, the source says Y" would end "Oh, OK" or "I looked myself and Z" not "How dare you look at the source for NetHack to find out how it works?" 02:23 <@IceBox> oh yeah poison instadeath 02:23 <@IceBox> it's like orctown and poison instadeath competing for my love every day 02:23 the game was actually pretty decent going 02:23 pretty sure I could have won the game if I played carefully enough 02:23 I'm not that terrible at the game if I actually try 02:24 <@IceBox> yeah any time i get to medusa the game is 1,000% winnable 02:24 earlier today I splatted a game to a winged gargoyle that I could also have won 02:24 <@IceBox> any loss is my own fault 02:24 <@IceBox> without conducts, at least 02:25 90% of my deaths are pure inattention 02:25 I have an awful asc rate 02:25 simply because I play carelessy 02:25 *carelessly 02:25 <@IceBox> the biggest enemy is discipline 02:25 <@IceBox> some day maybe i'll start an acct for tryharding 02:25 I know I can win much more than I do 02:25 if I play carefully 02:25 because that game was played that way 02:25 <@IceBox> for now i'll join you with my shit asc rate 02:25 I've still one vanilla death past the Castle, and that was the classic c corpse error 02:25 very careful advancing over time 02:25 but it's not as fun 02:25 which is why I usually don't play that way 02:26 after splatting that game and playing some other roles for a bit of variety with early deaths 02:26 I switched to dynahack savegame experimentation 02:27 basically I want to play a game far without dying 02:27 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 02:27