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Postby Nad » Jan 1st, 2006 at 9:42 pm

This is it fellas. If you see anything i should change due to bad experiences please let me know. Looking to order this stuff in 2 weeks.





CD/DVD Burners (RW Drives)
Qty. Product Description Unit Price Savings Total Price
Update LITE-ON Black ATAPI/E-IDE DVD Burner Model SHW-160P6S - Retail
Model #: SHW-160P6S BK RT
Item #: N82E16827106013
$42.99 $42.99


ATX Computer Cases
Qty. Product Description Unit Price Savings Total Price
Update Antec Performance I P180 Silver Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
Model #: P180
Item #: N82E16811129154
$124.99 $124.99


Floppy Drives
Qty. Product Description Unit Price Savings Total Price
Update SONY Black 1.44MB 3.5" Internal Floppy Drive Windows 98SE/ ME/ 2000/ XP - OEM
Model #: MPF920 Black
Item #: N82E16821103116
$10.00 $10.00


Internal Hard Drives
Qty. Product Description Unit Price Savings Total Price
Update Western Digital Raptor WD740GD 74GB 10,000 RPM Serial ATA150 Hard Drive - OEM
Model #: WD740GD
Item #: N82E16822144160
$155.00 $155.00
Update Western Digital Caviar RE WD2500SD 250GB 7200 RPM Serial ATA150 Hard Drive - OEM
Model #: WD2500SD
Item #: N82E16822144179
$105.00 -$5.00 Instant
$100.00


Monitors - LCD
$463.20 - with free shipping
1680 x 1050 @ 75/83 MHz (Vert x Hor)
12 ms response time
600:1 contrast ratio
high speed USB ports on monitor
3-Year Warranty - that means you get ONE lousy dead pixel in 2 years 11 months, you get a new monitor for FREE - newegg just can't compete bro


AMD-compatible Motherboards
Qty. Product Description Unit Price Savings Total Price
Update ABIT Fatal1ty AN8-SLI Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 SLI ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
Model #: Fatal1ty AN8-SLI
Item #: N82E16813127206
** This item is warranted through the product manufacturer only. what's this?
$218.00 $218.00


Video Devices & TV Tuners
Qty. Product Description Unit Price Savings Total Price
Update KWORLD VS-TVMP2RF (W/FM) PCI Interface Creator TV–MCE 200 Deluxe - Retail
Model #: VS-TVMP2RF (W/FM)
Item #: N82E16815100130
$55.00 $55.00


Video Cards
Qty. Product Description Unit Price Savings Total Price
Update eVGA 256-P2-N529-AX Geforce 7800GTX 256MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail
Model #: 256-P2-N529-AX
Item #: N82E16814130237
$579.00 $579.00


CD/DVD ROM Drives
Qty. Product Description Unit Price Savings Total Price
Update LITE-ON Black IDE DVD-ROM Drive Model SOHD-16P9SV - Retail
Model #: SOHD-16P9SV
Item #: N82E16827131417
$19.99 $19.99


Power Supplies
Qty. Product Description Unit Price Savings Total Price
Update Antec TRUEPOWERII TPII-550 ATX12V 550W Power Supply - Retail
Model #: TPII-550
Item #: N82E16817103931
$89.99 $89.99


Speakers
Qty. Product Description Unit Price Savings Total Price
Update Creative I-Trigue 3300 43 Watts 2.1 Speaker - Retail
Model #: 51000000AA346
Item #: N82E16836116120
$67.00 $67.00


Mouse
Qty. Product Description Unit Price Savings Total Price
Update Logitech G5 Laser 931376-0403 2-Tone 6 Buttons 1x Wheel USB Laser Mouse - Retail
Model #: 931376-0403
Item #: N82E16826104191
$53.65 -$5.00 Instant
$48.65


Memory - System
Qty. Product Description Unit Price Savings Total Price
Update CORSAIR XMS 2GB (2 x 1GB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 (PC 3200) Unbuffered Dual Channel Kit System Memory Model TWINX2048-3200 - Retail
Model #: TWINX2048-3200
Item #: N82E16820145486
$199.00 $199.00


Processors
Qty. Product Description Unit Price Savings Total Price
Update AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+ Toledo 1GHz FSB Socket 939 Dual Core Processor Model ADA4400CDBOX - Retail
Model #: ADA4400CDBOX
Item #: N82E16819103546
** This item is warranted through the product manufacturer only. what's this?
$497.00 $497.00

Subtotal: $2,712.60

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Postby Best_predator » Jan 1st, 2006 at 10:37 pm

Sounds about right to me
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Postby EatMoreLead » Jan 1st, 2006 at 10:57 pm

Damn, nice processor and mobo, video card looks swwet too. And you will love 2 gig RAM, really makes a difference in my older system, in a screaming system it will put you at the top of the hill for power and speed.

I'd respectfully make two suggestions. One, lose the fancypants case, waste of $$. You have plenty of processor speed, and you you are not even running SLI video, so why overclock?

You are buying a top-of-the-line system with a crappy DVD burner? WHY? Get a plextor SATA to match your SATA mobo.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6827131351

Also, why the slow HD? I'd recommend getting a WD Raptor 10K rpm, they fly. Then just reuse your old HD for extra storage. 7200rpm is going to be a bottleneck in your uber-system IMHO.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6822144160
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Postby Nad » Jan 1st, 2006 at 11:04 pm

For the DVD burner - I really do not use it a whole lot, and when i do it is to burn a movie when i'm not even at the computer. I did not see the point of tripling the cost for a snazzy burner.

For the HDD - Do you really think it will make a difference? I have never used anything but 5400 and 7200, so i don't have a clue what the performance increase will be. Also, i cant use my old HDD for storage cause i'm selling that machine most likely.

For the case - I am planning to go SLI, but there is no point in paying top dollar for a second 7800GTX right now for the measly 5% performance increase that i "might" get from doing it. There isnt a game out there that can put it to full use yet anyway, so i'll wait a year and save 200 bucks on the second card. Also, since the wife and kid came along, upgrading has been pretty much out of the question. I might get stuck with this machine for several years, and i want to be able to keep up(read: overclock the fuck out of it so i can stay competitive) in the event that i'm 30 before i build a new system.

Let me know on the HDD, i'm interested in finding out about this. Also, do you think larger ones are in the works for the near future?

Edit: Would the fact that the 10k hdds are SATA150 and the 7200s are SATA2 3gb/s? Just curious.
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Postby Phoenix » Jan 1st, 2006 at 11:20 pm

I would change the mobo I think the Fatal1ty mobos are overrated but thats just me. I would go with the ASUS or MSI SLI mobos, I have worked with both and been very happy. That said, looks very nice.
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Postby Nad » Jan 1st, 2006 at 11:35 pm

This is the mobo i wanted, but it is on backorder all over the place for god only knows how long.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131568

Other than this one, the Fatal1ty board has received better reviews than most of the others i have looked at. MSI doesn't make an X2 compatible motherboard, so i ruled them out. I like MSI boards, it is what i have now, but im going dual core and they are taking their sweet ass time making dual core mobos.
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Postby Phoenix » Jan 2nd, 2006 at 12:04 am

MSI makes a dual core mobo, I'm running a dual core in my MSI nForce 4 SLI PLATNIUM right now!
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Postby Nad » Jan 2nd, 2006 at 12:12 am

Thats on an Opteron processor, not an Athlon 64 X2. Now my question is, what is the difference between those 2 processors?

edit: Arent Opterom processors for servers?
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Postby EatMoreLead » Jan 2nd, 2006 at 12:43 am

Nad, I see your point on DVD burner, plus a good Catholic-school raised boy like yourself wouldn't be stealing movies anyway, heh.

On the HDD, I think having the 10K has allowed my relatively slow 2.4 processor keep up with load times on BF2. The throughput of the connection to the mobo is pointless if the HDD can't read the info faster than the rpm provides. Yeah, you sacrifice size for speed, but wtf cares, just backup your non-essential data onto dvd's.

I still don't think you should drop $430 for that case - fans alone will let you O/C enough, and even without O/C, that machine will be good for 3 years.
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Postby Servo » Jan 2nd, 2006 at 12:43 am

That is an absolutely HUGE case, not to mention rediculously expensive. Seeing as how you only have 1 video card and 1 hard drive, Im wondering why you need it. You will find a more standard size case to have plenty of space. I have a coolermaster pratorean alluminum case and it is roomy and light so I can actually take it to lan parties.

Are you planning on overclocking? If you are not doing serious overclocking the liquid cooling is over the top. It is heavy, mantinence intensive, and any stock system probably doesn't include all the parts you would need for a trully silent system anyway. I think you would probably be better served by upgrading to high quality heat syncs for your video card and processor and replace the stupid little fan on the chipset with a big piece of copper. Maybe the stock fins from the AMD. Its not as 1337 as liquid cooling, but spending an extra 300 bucks for a factory installed liquid cooling system isn't exactly 1337 anyway.

I have a Gigabyte mobo that has been great. They have a feature comparable board (sli, x2 support) for about 1/2 the price. Bonus: does not have 2 80 mil fans installed directly on it. Your dumping big bucks for a liquid cooling system.

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Postby EatMoreLead » Jan 2nd, 2006 at 12:44 am

Oh yeah, and good luck selling a used computer when good new ones with warranty are $399. But hey, either ebay it (a fool bids every second) or donate it for full retail value.
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Postby Phoenix » Jan 2nd, 2006 at 1:15 am

Nad wrote:Thats on an Opteron processor, not an Athlon 64 X2. Now my question is, what is the difference between those 2 processors?

edit: Arent Opterom processors for servers?


Yeah they are server processers with huge L2s and they can run 2 seperate processors on the same mobo, ie. you could have 2 2x processors running. As for the MSI thing, I have the exact processor you are going to buy in my system, just needed a bios update, all current ones ship with the update.

http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_sp ... I&class=mb
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Postby Dylan » Jan 2nd, 2006 at 6:28 am

Nad wrote:This is the mobo i wanted, but it is on backorder all over the place for god only knows how long.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131568

ETA: 1/5/2006 5:56:00 PM its right above the shipping cost.

Let me know how that monitor works out. I'm looking at the same one.
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Postby EatMoreLead » Jan 2nd, 2006 at 11:08 am

Oh yeah, skip the LCD from newegg, they wont take a return for less than 8 dead pixels. Dell will replace it for free if you say it came in stratched on the underside. I love newegg, but their lcd policy is like russian roulette, no thanks.
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Postby Nad » Jan 2nd, 2006 at 11:27 am

2ms response time is why i picked that one EML, Dell cant match it.
Pheonix, it doesnt include x2 processors on its compatability list, so i didnt even consider it.


Gonna look into a different case, since the main reason i picked that one is because i had extra money and it gave me a hard on. Might get a 10k drive and a cheaper case instead.
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Postby EatMoreLead » Jan 2nd, 2006 at 12:41 pm

2ms seems like overkill - I am not a scientist, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. A response time under 8ms is not going to be percieveable by human eye/mind.

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The Truth About Response Time
In our continuing effort to provide up-to-the-minute information to consumers, our editors wish to shed light on the multitude of numbers (or specifications) that accompany advertisements, brochures, user manuals, etc. regarding LCD monitors. Amid the cacophony of digits large and small appears one expression that is particularly important, but often overlooked. This mysterious number represents image response time and is articulated in terms milliseconds (ms), such as 12ms, 16ms, 24ms and so on. Response time is the screen’s signal reaction speed, or the time it takes for a liquid crystal panel to go from total white to total black and then back again. A 16ms LCD monitor corresponds to 63 images per second, while 12ms is equivalent to 83 images a second.

What Does this All Mean?
Bottom line -quicker response times translate to smoother and more fluid images. So, the next time you notice an advertisement shouting to the world that a specific LCD monitor boasts a lightning quick 24ms response time - which is actually a fairly nice standard - remember that a product that sports a 12ms response provides a major upgrade in image smoothness and fluidity.

In Case You’re Curious - What About the Science?
Broadly speaking, the response times of LCDs are slower than those of CRTs. In the past, the response time of most LCDs was between 20ms and 50ms, and the adverse effects of this relatively long interval could be noticed during playback of DVDs or when playing games that required especially quick scene changes. You would, for example, find that fast-moving objects would cause ghosting, particularly when black objects passed through a bright-colored background. The human eye will perceive a series of sequential images displayed at a frequency of 30Hz (30 images, or frames, per second) as continuous, as is the case with movies (24 frames per second). Screen images displayed at 60Hz will offer even more comfortable viewing, but careful scrutiny will reveal a slight sense of "flickering", as is the case with the NTSC television standard (which displays at 60 frames per second). According to standards set by VESA (Video Electronics Standards Association), the frequency necessary to achieve flicker-free display with a CRT is 72Hz. Most VGA cards and software applications, in order to accommodate the use of CRT monitors, have working frequencies set at 75Hz. In the past, the LCD monitors with 16ms response time that predominated in the market supported frequencies only up to 63Hz (1/0.016), making their display performance inferior to that of CRT monitors. Avid gamers therefore continued to use CRT monitors.
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Postby Catalyst22 » Jan 2nd, 2006 at 2:56 pm

I want to see what I'm paying for. Thats why my LCD has a 2 minute response time.
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Postby |PoRn| Profess0r » Jan 2nd, 2006 at 5:05 pm

I have that mobo/ram only with a amd 64 4000. The only thing I would suggest is raid two wd corsair raptors and add a second vid card so you can SLI it. It's worth the money. Oh yeah and get a modular power supply, one that supports SLI for a later date if money is an issue.

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Postby Phoenix » Jan 2nd, 2006 at 6:23 pm

Profess0r, I wouldn't SLI it now, if you can fork out the money for a SLI GTX 256 system then just get a single GTX 512 and SLI that next year.
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Postby |PoRn| Profess0r » Jan 2nd, 2006 at 8:03 pm

True if you want to wait, but you know how it is, as soon as you get something the "new" version is out. You can never keep up. I just SLI'ed with 2 Geforce 7800 GT OC... I'm done trying to keep up lol..

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Postby Catalyst22 » Jan 3rd, 2006 at 1:52 am

drool...
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Postby Oreo » Jan 3rd, 2006 at 2:06 am

Opteron 940's are the dual socket mobo. Opteron 939 are just like the X2's only run at lower voltages and overclock a bit better than the X2's. Any motherboard that supports an X2 will support the opteron 939. Most of the "dual-core" motherboards you're referring to are just marketing hype. The 939 socket motherboards that are older have bios updates to support the newer CPUs. I bought an a8n-sli deluxe and put my opteron 170 and the motherboard recognized it correctly on first boot yet.. it's not listed on newegg as an "x2" compatible socket. Of course it is! Just read the manufacture's website for information. the abit fatality is excessive. you pay for the name and get some lights on it. there is an identical model to that of the same brand for less.


My new motherboard and processor:

mobo (a8n-sli deluxe) - http://www.newegg.com/product/product.a ... 6813131517
processor (Opteron 170 dual core 939) - http://www.newegg.com/product/product.a ... 6819103585

using them right now with a bunch of other new parts, but I am waiting to make a topic about it until I fully overclock everything and buy a new video card (using a temporary x300SE pci-e)

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Postby |PoRn| Profess0r » Jan 3rd, 2006 at 2:44 am

Asus mobo's you can't oc on the fly like you can with the abit board. I'm sure you pay for the name but they really aren't the same board. Each one has different features from the other. Anyhow I like the OC on the fly and the pimp ass l.e.d.'s.. It was like 10 bucks more at the time when I bought mine then the Asus. Anywho..

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Postby Oreo » Jan 3rd, 2006 at 5:52 pm

I said there is an abit board just like the fatality one he is buying for less, not the one I linked. I just linked what I bought. Asus and DFI are better overclockers than abit anyday anyway.


abit: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6813127207

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Postby |PoRn| Profess0r » Jan 3rd, 2006 at 9:42 pm

Not really sure how you can say one mobo is a better oc'er than another. Most of the run the same northbridge chips. nvidia or kia. I think what you are referring to are cpu core (ie. venice, winchester). That is where you would see the most improvement depending on what core you had. Just curious..


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