New PC (please comment)

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New PC (please comment)

Postby rekloose-[PUPPY] » Nov 6th, 2005 at 5:58 pm

What do you guys think of the following set up? I'm still saving to be able to buy a PC, but I think I may have enough soon ...

Could you guru's please check to make sure everything i have will work together?

here's a link to the wishlist: http://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/Wis ... e=newer+PC

Or, for the lazy (the # before the item is the quantity):

1 Antec Performance I P180 Silver Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail

1 DFI LANPARTY nF4 SLI-DR Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 SLI ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail

2 eVGA 256-P2-N376-AX Geforce 6800GT 256MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail

1 Antec TRUEPOWERII TPII-550 ATX12V 550W Power Supply - Retail

1 AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+ Toledo 1GHz FSB Socket 939 Dual Core Processor Model ADA4400CDBOX - Retail

2 GeIL Value Series 1GB 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 (PC 3200) Unbuffered System Memory Model GE1GB3200BSC - Retail

1 SAMSUNG Black 1.44MB 3.5" Internal Floppy Drive Windows 98SE/ ME/ 2000/ XP - OEM

2 HITACHI Deskstar T7K250 0A31636 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM

1 LITE-ON Black IDE DVD Burner Model SOHW-1693S Black - Retail

1 LITE-ON Black IDE DVD-ROM Drive Model SOHD-16P9SBLK - Retail

1 Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - OEM

what do y'all think?

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Postby JayPhat » Nov 6th, 2005 at 6:19 pm

What do you have now, cause I am going to be needing to buy parts soon.

On second thought, scratch that. You still have that old P3 shit comp don't you?
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Postby Cud » Nov 6th, 2005 at 7:01 pm

I'm thinking do you really need 2gb of ram, 500 gb of hdd (i've never filled 80), and if you have 500 gb do you need a dvd writer and a separate reader? it looks nice but expensive... whats the tally at?
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Re: New PC (please comment)

Postby pyrox420 » Nov 6th, 2005 at 7:07 pm

The following i give my "Fuck yea" approval:
rekloose-[PUPPY] wrote:1 Antec Performance I P180 Silver Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail

1 DFI LANPARTY nF4 SLI-DR Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 SLI ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail

2 eVGA 256-P2-N376-AX Geforce 6800GT 256MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail

1 Antec TRUEPOWERII TPII-550 ATX12V 550W Power Supply - Retail

1 AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+ Toledo 1GHz FSB Socket 939 Dual Core Processor Model ADA4400CDBOX - Retail

2 GeIL Value Series 1GB 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 (PC 3200) Unbuffered System Memory Model GE1GB3200BSC - Retail

2 HITACHI Deskstar T7K250 0A31636 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM

1 Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - OEM


The following get my "Fuck no" disapproval:
rekloose-[PUPPY] wrote:1 LITE-ON Black IDE DVD Burner Model SOHW-1693S Black - Retail

1 LITE-ON Black IDE DVD-ROM Drive Model SOHD-16P9SBLK - Retail

1 SAMSUNG Black 1.44MB 3.5" Internal Floppy Drive Windows 98SE/ ME/ 2000/ XP - OEM
Who the fuck needs a 3.5 floppy? And you do can do much better than "lite-on" for your optical drives... i mean really.... your spending a shitload of money, why fuck that up with lite-on? samsung/plextor > lite-on

Other than that... you got my exact computer with everything just upgraded a little. :) Good choices on the mobo/dualies/cpu/psu. I'm sure you'll be happy. :)
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Postby rekloose-[PUPPY] » Nov 6th, 2005 at 7:19 pm

I need the floppy for school and some older stuff ... I need the HD space because i have maybe 200GB spread accross 3 PCs that i'd like to consolidate and HDs are so cheaper (I remember when they used to be around $1 per GB). Also the seperate reader and burner is just so I can easily burn CDs (and the reader is only $25).

Jay, my old PC (the one I'm on now) is a 1.2ghz AMD. 512MB RAM with a GF3. I'll prolly turn it into a linuz box when i build my new one.

Pyrox, thanks ... I'll prolly change them.

Cud,I think the tally is $1950 or thereabouts. Keep in mind I only seem to buy 1 computer every five years or so and don't upgrade very much so I may as well buy something top of the line ...

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Postby Catalyst22 » Nov 6th, 2005 at 8:33 pm

I've never had any luck with Hitachi hdd. They used to put them in Dell laptops until they all started to die.

DFI used to be a really shitty company. They used to be similar to chaintech or pc chips. In the last 3 or so years they have started making quality stuff (from what I have read). Other than that, I'd still recomend Asus over any other manufacturer and I'd never recomend Abit.

Never owned an eVGA card but friends do, and they are happy with them.

HDD consolidation might be cheaper if you go with a couple 160Gb drives in an external enclosure (especially if you are going to haul your computer to lan partys).

Have you thought about a shuttle? The newest AMD model is quite nice. I run one at work and I am very impressed. If you are considering a shuttle I can post some bench's or whatever and some internal pics.
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Postby pyrox420 » Nov 6th, 2005 at 8:37 pm

Lanparty = rocks. Best mobo to overclock or dual vid at this point in time. It was designed for gamers and hard core people. I haven't had an issue with this exact same board unlike my last asus board which crapped out after 8 months.
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Postby Campsalot » Nov 6th, 2005 at 10:18 pm

Why go SLI and then go Value RAM? I'm not personally sold on the ROI of going with an SLI rig, but if you have seen 6800GT SLI specs and are happy with them, go for it. If you really don't have a specific need for 500 GB of drive space, you can save some money there too. I would maybe go with smaller dual drives and put that money toward better RAM. BTW, I own and have worked with Lite-On drives and they are fantastic. Great equipment for the cost. Oh, and definitely ditch the Deathstar.. er, i mean, Hitachi drives. Go with Western Digital or Seagate. Those two make the number 1 and 2 SATA drives on the market.

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Postby Oreo » Nov 6th, 2005 at 10:20 pm

Would suggest different drive choices (HD and DVD). Seagate makes very nice HD's, very fast and very accurate, quite, stable, long lasting.

Everything else gets my okay.


edit; could go top of the line video card. the x1800 for ATI or the 7800 series for nvidia. if you're going to go that far, you may as well hit the new generation (512MB)

Nvidia:
top of the line GTXOC - 256mb http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6814143036

Right below top of the line GTOC - 256mb http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6814143037

ATI:
top of the line x1800XT - 512mb http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6814102624

right below top of the line x1800xl - 256mb http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6814102612



double edit: just noticed you're considering SLI. would be quite expensive to SLI these babies.

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Postby rekloose-[PUPPY] » Nov 6th, 2005 at 10:47 pm

I have always had problems with Western Digital (since back in the Caviar days). I would have gone for Seagate (my personal favorite) but I read the reviews on the Hitachi were better - and I always trusted IBM har drives, didn't they sell their business to Hitachi?

I've never had ANY luck with ATI (I've had a 9600, and a 9800) and neither have worked well. In fact, I have a brand new 9800 just sitting somewhere gathering dust. I wanted to go nVidia and the SLIs just souded cool.

The price for the 6800GTs are around $300 each while the 7800 is $500 each ($589 for the ones I wanted). So the price difference between the two (for dual SLI's) is over $400.

I'll probably change the drives to Seagate. I really can't believe how inexpensive HDs are now. Last time I bought a HD my 120 gig cost around $150. (it's full, by the way).

Camps, I thought the RAM was decent. what would you suggest? Is there any difference between going 2 sticks of 1 gig each or 4 sticks of 512 MB?

What would you recommend?

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Postby pyrox420 » Nov 6th, 2005 at 11:22 pm

rekloose-[PUPPY] wrote:Camps, I thought the RAM was decent. what would you suggest? Is there any difference between going 2 sticks of 1 gig each or 4 sticks of 512 MB?
What would you recommend?
2 sticks of 1 gig will get you the 400mhz speed... do'nt you dare do 4 sticks of 512... i will kill you if you do that.
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Postby Catalyst22 » Nov 6th, 2005 at 11:55 pm

I haven't kept up on hardware in the last 3 years. Last I heard the Corsair XMS DDR 400 CAS2 was the fastest thing out. I was told recently by a wholesale computer store owner that the latest Corsair XMS RAM is shitty... Dunno. I've had some pretty good luck with it. Mushkin or Corsair CAS2 is my recomendation (get RAM with heat spreaders, it helps a little also)
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Postby Oreo » Nov 7th, 2005 at 12:31 am

I have corsair xms low latency, VERY nice stuff, ran well for the past 2 years.

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Postby K2 » Nov 7th, 2005 at 12:37 am

Go two sticks of 1GB each PUPPY - if you wanna do any bf2 action at all the 2GB of ram will make a helluva difference from what I have been told/have read.

The processor ya picked is spot-on the absolute best choice at the moment. Good job.

And as long as you're running the nForce4 chipset and plan to do SLI later on down the road, DFI is a good choice, as is MSI and Asus.

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Postby rekloose-[PUPPY] » Nov 7th, 2005 at 9:02 am

would it be better to get 1 7800 now and wait a year or so for prices to come down or to get 2 6800GTs now?

I haven't been able to find any benchmarks comparing one 7800 vs two 6800 GTs.

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Postby PumpActionJackson » Nov 7th, 2005 at 9:10 am

I just ordered a dual channel kit(512mb x 2) of Geil memory and I have had no problems whatsoever with it. There were alot of good reviews on it, and it is suprisingly good for Oc'ing considering it is ValueRam. 8)
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Postby Suck. » Nov 7th, 2005 at 11:16 am

I've found that with 2 GB of RAM, it doesn't matter if it's generic or overclocked. I have 2GB of PC3200 DDR400 Corsair Value Select memory that is at stock timings. I frequently beat everyone into CS:S by enough that I get my own dead round before a restart. While I've never properly stress tested my RAM, the highest I've ever gotten my memory usage to is 78%, and that was running 7 instances of Photoshop, each editing an 10MB+ image, BF2, CS:S w/ 1GB heapsize, plus a shit-ton of other programs. I do, however, have a 2GB swap file on a second hard drive, which probably helps.

If you're looking to keep this computer for several years PUPPY, I wouldn't recommend OC'ing, as it can decrease hardware life significantly. Just go with the 2 sticks of 1GB RAM, and that will leave you with room to expand should memory requirements dramatically rise.

Next, I highly recommend NEC DVD burners. They're obscenely cheap at Newegg right now:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductLi ... rManu=1326

I ordered one over a year ago, and per my review, a few of the guys from Beer for Breakfast did as well. The NEC DVD burners have treated all of us very well. They're very dependable, blah, blah, buncha stuff that any good burner would have... The standout feature is that they're quiet as hell (and you can't fucking beat that price). They're also fairly durable; I was doing some work in my case this weekend and dropped mine from about four feet. It bounced off my foot and hit a metal shelf below a work table I have, and there was no apparent damage. It still reads and burns great. It's still quiet as hell too. :P

As for a graphics card, I've always been an ATI man, but not a fanatic. While I've loved my All-in-Wonder cards, NVidia is about to start kicking the shit out of ATI with their new releases. Their tech support and drivers are already miles ahead, but their new cards are going to hands-down smoke anything ATI will have out, even if ridiculously overclocked. Hence, I'd recommend going NVidia, whatever you get.


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Postby G$ » Nov 7th, 2005 at 11:40 am

Good memory makes a large difference - you may get lucky with generic but probably not. You can't have too much memory either, unless you have so much your OS can't address it all.

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Postby K2 » Nov 7th, 2005 at 12:16 pm

rekloose-[PUPPY] wrote:would it be better to get 1 7800 now and wait a year or so for prices to come down or to get 2 6800GTs now?

I haven't been able to find any benchmarks comparing one 7800 vs two 6800 GTs.


Of course the 7800 would be better to get... a single one performs almost as well as two 6800's SLI, plus it can render all of the cutting-edge gfx effects out there to date. But I thought you had some budget constraints?

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Postby Oreo » Nov 7th, 2005 at 12:36 pm

Not to mention the GT has 20 pipelines and the GTX has 24 piplines ;)

(go with BFG, best cards for nvidia out there!!!)

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Postby Phoenix » Nov 7th, 2005 at 1:06 pm

I would avoid the DFI Lanparty mobo, I'm not a fan of those, go with the MSI or Abit SLI mobo. Other than that I see almost no problems with the system like some others I feel you might want to go with a combo of smaller HDs and if you are gonna pay so much for the other stuff you might as well go with a bit higher quality CD-ROMs and RAM. I still love Corsair for RAM and Sony on DVD/CD drives.
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Postby rekloose-[PUPPY] » Nov 7th, 2005 at 1:16 pm

k2, 2 6800GT = $600, 1 7800 = $580.

If 1 7800 is better than 2 6800s, I'll get the 7800 now and maybe upgrade in a year or so when the 7800's come down in price.

The new SLI drivers allow you to use two different brand video cards so i could upgrade in the future with just about anything ...

so ... 2 x 6800GT or 1 x 7800?

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Postby Catalyst22 » Nov 7th, 2005 at 1:19 pm

I'd go 1 * 7800 myself. I would think that you would need a real beefy PSU for 2 * 6800 cards. If you just get the one 7800 you may want to get a less expensive 420 watt psu. I don't know how much the one you spec'd is, but it may be over kill now and that could shave a few bucks off.
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Postby Suck. » Nov 7th, 2005 at 1:37 pm

Depending on how big an issue price is... :roll: The Nvidia 512MB 7800 GTX should be competitive for a long time (comparatively speaking, of course), and comes SLI ready. To give credit where due, K2 first posted a heads up for an article on HardOCP. The above link is an article published a few days ago, and the lower link is to informative forums that have good info and speculation about the card. It's is supposedly due out in a week, but Nvidia has been very hush-hush about it. Anyhow, if you'd like to read more:
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27443
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=78794

If you opt not to sell a kidney for that card, I'd still go with a 7800.


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Postby DoCFuRy[12PC] » Nov 7th, 2005 at 2:25 pm

Lite-on is just fine. I have used mine for almost a year and burned hundreds of movies. It works great. I had a plextor before and it worked good too but I think you will be just as happy with teh liteon and save money too. IMO.


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