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MIA: ACLU, Amnesty Intl., UN Human Rights Coucil, etc...

Postby WidowMaker » Jun 21st, 2006 at 10:10 am

Just wondering where the outrage and condemnation is for the torture and mutilation of the 2 US soldiers that were killed this week in Iraq.

Oh, that's right, all of these "human rights" organizations are too busy worrying about the phantom torture and abuse stories coming out of Guantanamo, even though there is a freakin Intl. Red Cross station on site. Not to mention the fact they have A/C cells, are given Qorans, are given culturally sensitive meals. etc. I am pretty sure our 2 soldiers would prefer such treatment over having their eyes gouged out and being beaten beyond recognition.


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Postby EatMoreLead » Jun 21st, 2006 at 11:20 am

Wid, don't be ignorant - how would/could ACLU possibly be invovled in a war crime that occurs by non-Americans? Civil Liberties have nothing to do with this sad incident. G-Bay however remains highly sketchy as far as legal under US Law. Get informed bro.
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Postby Catalyst22 » Jun 21st, 2006 at 11:37 am

In the worlds eyes the US could have prevented this by not being in Iraq. Due to that reason I am not suprised that there is little world out rage over this incident.
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Postby WidowMaker » Jun 21st, 2006 at 11:45 am

EML - I am not saying the ACLU can *do* anything about it, but they can certainly express their condemntaion and outrage at such incidents. All of these so-called "human rights" organizations are mysteriously silent when it comes to Americans being mistreated.

I am informed, thanks though.


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Postby Burzum » Jun 21st, 2006 at 12:40 pm

Good point, wid. It's not all that hard for them to release a little note saying they denounce the terrorists and are going to reduce their funding if they don't stop torturing American's before they kill them.
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Postby Catalyst22 » Jun 21st, 2006 at 1:08 pm

They could always take their swizzle stick allotment away, but then again the UN would prob just give them back.
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Postby WidowMaker » Jun 21st, 2006 at 7:05 pm

So you defend their actions. We know Derfel.


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Postby Jahiliyya » Jun 21st, 2006 at 7:16 pm

Derfel wrote:Well, they are an occupying force, and they are soldiers, so...


That's right out of the "Torture is right when..." handbook. I would have thought more of a progressive liberal.
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Postby EatMoreLead » Jun 21st, 2006 at 9:55 pm

WidowMaker wrote:EML - I am not saying the ACLU can *do* anything about it, but they can certainly express their condemntaion and outrage at such incidents. All of these so-called "human rights" organizations are mysteriously silent when it comes to Americans being mistreated.

I am informed, thanks though.


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You are ignorant if you truly think the ACLU should condemn the actions of insurgents against US troops. I'm sure, like 99% of Americans, they wish the troops didnt even have to be there, and they are sad by every death, regardless of reason or necessity. But to claim they should express their condemnation of this incident is silly at best, and more likely an example of a grossly misinformed person. The ACLU is an American Civil Liberties Union - they have absolutely nothing to do with human rights. They have everything to do with constitutional rights and restrictions on gov't power and scope as outlined in the Bill of Rights. Don't mix up your acronyms again please.
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Postby rekloose-[PUPPY] » Jun 21st, 2006 at 9:59 pm

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Postby WidowMaker » Jun 21st, 2006 at 10:42 pm

Hmm, lemme double check... yep, I encompassed all supposed "human rights" organizations in my original post. Why you all choose to focus specifically on one in your attempts to refute the issue is interesting.


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Postby WidowMaker » Jun 21st, 2006 at 10:48 pm

No I didn't. I added. It is all there.


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Postby WidowMaker » Jun 21st, 2006 at 10:52 pm

finally. wasn't there this morning.


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Postby WidowMaker » Jun 21st, 2006 at 10:54 pm

that would be noon CST. You will notice my post was at 9am CST.


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Postby WidowMaker » Jun 21st, 2006 at 11:26 pm

Why would I eat my words? I spoke the truth.

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Postby rekloose-[PUPPY] » Jun 21st, 2006 at 11:27 pm

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Postby Burzum » Jun 22nd, 2006 at 7:49 am

Oh get off it Derf. Why is it that when Iraqi's are "abused" the media throws around all these "rights organizations" condemnations but when U.S. Soldiers are tortured to death only Derfel can find their comments?
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Postby WidowMaker » Jun 22nd, 2006 at 9:58 am

Soldiers don't deserve the same human rights civilans do, apparently. :roll:


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Postby EatMoreLead » Jun 22nd, 2006 at 10:01 am

actually, they don't, and apparently the US govt is the biggest propent of "enemy combantants" getting zero civil rights along with reduced human rights. Widow, sorry but you are being an idiot here.
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Postby WidowMaker » Jun 22nd, 2006 at 10:02 am

Wow, you really believe soldiers don't deserve human rights? And I am the one being the idiot?

Has Derfel gotten to you EML?


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Postby EatMoreLead » Jun 22nd, 2006 at 10:09 am

In war there is this thing called "killing" the enemy - that is not exactly warm and fuzzy bro. In the majority of human rights debates, raining bombs and rockets onto civilians is wrong, there is always bitching about collateral damage as being unacceptable, but if you bomb the frick out of soldiers it is fine. You are missing the most basic of points in your hatred of some of the worlds best organizations, IE: ACLU and Amnesty Intl.

In our wars, and especially in our war on terror, we cannot sink to the level of the savages and insurgents we seek to overcome. As the war on terror has dragged on, I have realized that I am oppossed to extreme torture and the suppression of civil rights. At first I thought - beat them at any cost, but now I realize that if you suspend the very freedoms we stand for in order to save them, it is not only hypocritical, but in fact you bastardize and devalue those freedoms.

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Postby WidowMaker » Jun 22nd, 2006 at 10:12 am

I guess we should all just ignore that whole "Geneva" thing. APprently according to you, killing is fine, even if it involves gouging eyes out, torture, beating beyond recognition... just as long as it is a soldier. According to you, the POWs in Vietnam were just getting what they deserve.

Wow, my respect for you has just been all but lost. GG.


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Postby rekloose-[PUPPY] » Jun 22nd, 2006 at 10:16 am

EatMoreLead wrote:if you suspend the very freedoms we stand for in order to save them, it is not only hypocritical, but in fact you bastardize and devalue those freedoms.


this is worthy of repeating and putting on a bumper sticker.

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Postby EatMoreLead » Jun 22nd, 2006 at 10:24 am

puppy - thanks

widow, one last time - I never said I was happy about what happened to our boys, but you need to realize that ACLU in no way relates to what happens to soldiers in Iraq, so you lumping them into your hate of what you think are "liberal" organizations just shows your stupidity. The ACLU is hands down the most constitutionally conservative group in the history of USA. Conservatives who think they are trampling Bush's power are idiots, if Clinton had trampled our civil rights, every republican would be supporting the ACLU. This is why I am a Libertarian, the republicans and democrats are both wrong and more interested in fighting each other than fixing what is wrong.

Anyways, your hatred of Amnesty Intl is funny, they are fighting to improve human rights for all. Since the US govt has a recent proven track record of extreme torture and suspension of humand rights (gitmo, abugrab) it is a bit hypocritical of us to whine about some eye gouging. IMHO if I was a soldier in Iraq, I would save 1 bullet for the inside of my mouth before letting some pos insurgent capture me alive. that is just reality.
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