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NY CITY ON STRIKE!

Postby b0ba » Dec 21st, 2005 at 12:34 am

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051221/ap_ ... sit_strike

1 million dollars a day to the transit union, i say fine them more, just because they have shit jobs they think they can ruin everyone elses commute to work in order to make more money. talk about assholes

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Postby Nad » Dec 21st, 2005 at 12:39 am

Fuck them, hire a bunch of mexicans to come run that shit for 1/4 the pay. See how that strike is working out when they are all out of a job and are forced to reach outside the fuckin union for work.
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Postby Catalyst22 » Dec 21st, 2005 at 2:34 am

I don't know the full story, and they may in fact be justified, but it is still an idiotic move right now. People are moving farther away from unions and as right to work keeps getting passed, there will be no unions anymore... I think it will work for a while, but companies do not care about employees, so it wont last.
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Postby pyrox420 » Dec 21st, 2005 at 9:23 am

Dammit.....
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Postby rekloose-[PUPPY] » Dec 21st, 2005 at 9:56 am

$5 says it will be over by then pyrox ...

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Postby WidowMaker » Dec 21st, 2005 at 10:01 am

wrong time of year to be doing this
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Postby rekloose-[PUPPY] » Dec 21st, 2005 at 10:21 am

well, technically, if you're trying to make a statement, this is the right time of the year to be doing this.

NY is losing $100mil/day b/c of this strike. assinine.

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Postby WidowMaker » Dec 21st, 2005 at 11:17 am

point is, this time of year above any other time will bring the most backlash againstyour cause.

but yes, if all you care about is making your statement, then it is a good time.


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Postby Phoenix » Dec 21st, 2005 at 11:36 am

rekloose-[PUPPY] wrote:well, technically, if you're trying to make a statement, this is the right time of the year to be doing this.

NY is losing $100mil/day b/c of this strike. assinine.


I had heard it was closer to 300 mil a day.
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Postby Campsalot » Dec 21st, 2005 at 12:05 pm

Ridiculous if you ask me. /me is glad I live in a union-free environment because of crap like this.

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Postby Phoenix » Dec 21st, 2005 at 12:40 pm

I'm glad I work in a union free enviroment cause it means I can tell an employee to go fuck a dog and never come back if they are being a total assclown.

I must admit though, if I did such a thing my boss would probably say somthing along the same lines to me.
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Postby rekloose-[PUPPY] » Dec 21st, 2005 at 12:44 pm

meh, can't the government step in and end the strike like clinton did with the airlines (if i remember correctly).

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Postby Catalyst22 » Dec 21st, 2005 at 1:23 pm

they need to outsource it to India.
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Postby Kahuna Mas » Dec 21st, 2005 at 3:18 pm

Catalyst22 wrote:they need to outsource it to India.


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Postby Jeng » Dec 21st, 2005 at 6:13 pm

Phoenix wrote:I'm glad I work in a union free enviroment cause it means I can tell an employee to go fuck a dog and never come back if they are being a total assclown.

I must admit though, if I did such a thing my boss would probably say somthing along the same lines to me.


Once told my boss he was a fucking asshole. Damn near got fired, he went and changed the timeclocks back before our morning clock in. Wonder how that would have gone in a union enviroment. Due to the rules the boss would have probably been fired, and due to the rules the company would have had to fire me also.

Back in the early 1900's I can see why unions were needed, but now not so much.
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Postby b0ba » Dec 21st, 2005 at 6:58 pm

http://news.yahoo.com/fc/Business/Labor_and_Workplace

threatening jail time now...hahaha i say do it, take all the moneys out of the zoo and teach them how to take money and put all the toll takers in their spot LOLOLOL

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Postby WidowMaker » Dec 21st, 2005 at 7:12 pm

I haven't read the details... but how can anyone go to jail because they go on strike?


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Postby Phoenix » Dec 21st, 2005 at 7:33 pm

WidowMaker wrote:I haven't read the details... but how can anyone go to jail because they go on strike?


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Cause it is against the law, even if they are in a union, it is an essensial service or some shit like that.

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Postby Mouser » Dec 21st, 2005 at 7:46 pm

Sorry, but the top heavy economic model is severly flawed and it's the right of the workers, especially in an "essential" field of labor to organize and strike when necessary in their pursuit of happiness. Threatening jail time is equating their work with compulsory service. If it were such an "essential" service, then you'd be well to do to take care of them instead of channeling all the money into upper management...tools.

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Postby Campsalot » Dec 21st, 2005 at 10:14 pm

So Mouser, NYC should give into their ridiculous demands? Sorry, but that's the union holding the city hostage over money.

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Postby Jeng » Dec 21st, 2005 at 10:37 pm

Campsalot wrote:So Mouser, NYC should give into their ridiculous demands? Sorry, but that's the union holding the city hostage over money.


I say they should quit rather than go to jail. I'm not sure if its an option, but hell if they quit they are no longer striking. Then what does the city do? Force them to go back to their old job?

If the job truly sucks quit. Theres always somebody who will do it worse for less waiting right behind ya.
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Postby rekloose-[PUPPY] » Dec 21st, 2005 at 10:50 pm

they're not striking because they hate their job.

they're striking because they're renegotionating their contract with the city and the city wants them to pay 6% of their income towars pension plans during their first ten years of their employment. they currently pay 2% - basically tripling it.

personally i'm against crippling strikes such as these and i think that the gov should step in and make them go back to work.

but unions helped make this country what it is today and, as mouser stated, protects the rights of workers.

it also seperates us from the third world slums that don't have unions - there are many reasons why those countries remain in the third world and the absence of unions and the protection of workers rights is one of them (why do you think they're all turning towards populism/socialism?).

As much as it behooves me to say this (i feel as though i soundlike a politician) i am both for and against unions. i think they can benefit a society but, just as easily, cripple it.

but, as long as there are workers they need rights to protect them because if they don't protect themselves, who will? the corporations? haha please. the government? i don't think it's the governments job to say whether or not workers should put 2% of their salary or 6% of their salary towards a pension. i don't think it's the governments job to set a minimun wage for the NHL (or whatever reason the strike is).

so, yeah, i think unions still serve some purpose - but they need to act with restraint and shouldn't allowed to pull off shit stunts like this.

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Postby Catalyst22 » Dec 22nd, 2005 at 1:02 am

If you want to learn something about the evolution of companies then read this article about Human Resource Departments. At one time they were there as a buffer between companies and employees, they now work entirely for companies under the guise of working for employees.
http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/97/open_hr.html

I'm trying to find the history of HR departments, but have had no luck. I know they were created to avoid goverment interference, but I can't recall the exact reason.

*edit* damnit, if someone can find the history of HR please post a link here. I need a refresher on it.
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Postby sohpriest » Dec 22nd, 2005 at 10:13 am

Sorry, but the top heavy economic model is severly flawed and it's the right of the workers, especially in an "essential" field of labor to organize and strike when necessary in their pursuit of happiness. Threatening jail time is equating their work with compulsory service. If it were such an "essential" service, then you'd be well to do to take care of them instead of channeling all the money into upper management...tools.

Nurses in my hospital made a push for union a few years back. Now wouldn't that have been great. I'm sorry your little boy, grandma, whoever could have lived but dang it those nusres wanted 10% not 6% and we just couldn't pay it. Sorry for your luck. Unions are fine in some areas of the work force but essential service fields should not be allowed to unionize. You can't call a field someone chooses comuplsory service. No one made me be a nurse. No one makes someone be a cop or a airtraffic controller. I'm not saying all union is bad but there are just some areas it needs to stay out of.
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Postby Catalyst22 » Dec 22nd, 2005 at 10:18 am

If nurses unionized it would help increase the number of nurses going into that field. I'm not familiar with what other medical professions do, but Nurses (my mom is one) get shat on constantly. Nothing like getting a 4 year degree only to cap out at $40k a year (in Oklahoma).
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