00:00 [hdf-us] [evil] squishy (Val Hum Fem Law), 15044 points, T:8396, killed by a gargoyle 00:00 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 3616 points, T:3360, killed by an earth elemental of Odin, while praying 00:07 [hdf-us] [xnh] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:46139 00:08 -!- Chris__ANG has joined #hardfought 00:11 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] maneatingcow (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 645 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:73612 00:13 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:3203 (0:13:25) 00:16 [hdf-us] [xnh] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Orcus, on T:46751 00:18 [hdf-us] [evil] squishy (Val Hum Fem Neu), 818 points, T:1950, killed by a wererat 00:22 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Orc Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3501 (0:43:15) 00:23 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:4337 (0:23:12) 00:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] maneatingcow (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Necromancer (level 22), on T:74764 00:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] a1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:9767 00:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] maneatingcow (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 1200 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:74784 00:30 [hdf-us] [evil] squishy (Val Hum Fem Neu), 245 points, T:1113, killed by a gas spore's explosion 00:30 [hdf-us] [xnh] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Dispater, on T:47504 00:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:5387 (0:57:16) 00:36 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping an uncursed +1 spear on an altar, on T:5020 (0:36:10) 00:39 [hdf-us] [xnh] Gouhan (Sam Hum Mal Law), 2982 points, T:3994, killed by a gnome lord 00:40 [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Kni Dro Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:9055 (1:17:37) 00:41 [hdf-us] [xnh] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Yeenoghu, on T:48277 00:41 Well holy, oftentimes I play on server night times. 00:42 The yeenoghu summoned one gremlin stole my protection.. 00:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] roisto (Val Hum Fem Law), 1748 points, T:2573, killed by a killer bee 00:43 [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Kni Dro Mal Cha), 19638 points, T:9242, killed by a bolt of fire 00:45 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:47 [hdf-us] [xnh] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Demogorgon, on T:48560 00:47 [hdf-us] [evil] squishy (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Gollum, on T:2515 (0:16:52) 00:47 ouch, how much prot? 00:48 Maybe 5. 00:48 But I have no money to buy now. 00:48 I'm now -23 AC. 00:49 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Orc Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed ring of p'hul", on T:6988 (1:10:34) 00:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] a1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) was bestowed with Frost Brand by Thoth, on T:11385 00:50 [hdf-us] [dnh] Pacra (Tou Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:21516 00:52 [hdf-us] [ndnh] sirteapot (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed Croesus, on T:11192 00:55 [hdf-us] [xnh] Pux (Hea Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:6061 00:57 [hdf-us] [dnh] Pacra (Tou Hum Mal Neu) was given Frost Brand, on T:22553 00:57 [hdf-us] [xnh] Grophenstopple (Bar Orc Mal Cha) destroyed the invisible Pux's ghost, the former Embalmer, on T:13828 00:57 [hdf-us] [evil] squishy (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:4362 (0:27:14) 01:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] roisto (Val Hum Fem Law), 1511 points, T:3117, killed by a wand 01:01 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 01:02 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] OpticSugar (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 2542 points, T:2156, killed by a dwarf zombie 01:05 [hdf-us] [evil] squishy (Val Hum Fem Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:5083 (0:34:43) 01:05 [hdf-us] [evil] squishy (Val Hum Fem Law), 3397 points, T:5083, killed by a giant leech 01:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] maneatingcow (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:77201 01:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] maneatingcow (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:77203 01:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] roisto (Val Hum Fem Law), 650 points, T:1093, killed by a kitten called Two 01:13 -!- a1 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:13 [hdf-us] [xnh] Pux (Hea Hum Mal Neu) was bestowed with Cleaver by Hermes, on T:7626 01:14 [hdf-us] [xnh] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed greased fixed magic marker", got "a greased magic marker", on T:49801 01:15 [hdf-us] [dnh] Gorvunculus (Bin Hum Fem Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:5499 01:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] roisto (Val Hum Fem Law) destroyed roisto's ghost, the former Skirmisher, on T:2657 01:26 [hdf-eu] [nh343] Nobbs (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 322315 points, T:27995, killed by a gnome lord 01:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] roisto (Val Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3104 01:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] roisto (Val Hum Fem Law) rejected atheism by offering a gnome corpse on an altar of Tyr, on T:3143 01:30 [hdf-us] [xnh] Grophenstopple (Bar Orc Mal Cha) destroyed DragonSidedD's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:14481 01:32 [hdf-us] [xnh] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:50765 01:32 [hdf-us] [xnh] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:50766 01:34 [hdf-us] [xnh] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:50853 01:36 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Goldenboy (Mad Vam Mal Cha) was given Staff of Necromancy, on T:113036 01:38 [hdf-us] [dnh] Gorvunculus (Bin Hum Fem Non), 32533 points, T:8321, killed by a discharging wand 01:39 $lastgame 01:39 !lastgame 01:39 anselmus: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/G/Gorvunculus/dnethack/dumplog/1702596821.dnh.txt :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/k/kaede0424/nethack/dumplog/1702560066.nh.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/N/Nobbs/nh343/dumplog/1702194075.nh343.txt 01:40 [hdf-us] [xnh] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:51067 01:41 [hdf-us] [xnh] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:51068 01:43 [hdf-us] [dnh] Gorvunculus (Bin Hum Fem Non), 261 points, T:669, killed by a grid bug 01:45 [hdf-us] [xnh] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:51605 01:45 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 01:46 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:46 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 01:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] Gorvunculus (Bin Hum Fem Non), 210 points, T:618, killed by a grid bug 01:50 [hdf-us] [xnh] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered the Elemental Planes, on T:52310 01:50 [hdf-us] [xnh] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered Plane of Earth, on T:52310 01:50 [hdf-us] [xnh] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (for the 2nd time; on the Plane of Earth), on T:52311 01:51 [hdf-us] [xnh] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered Plane of Air, on T:52363 01:53 [hdf-us] [xnh] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered Plane of Fire, on T:52436 01:54 [hdf-us] [xnh] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered Plane of Water, on T:52445 01:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] roisto (Val Hum Fem Law) was bestowed with Mjollnir by Tyr, on T:6590 01:57 [hdf-us] [xnh] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered the Astral Plane, on T:52602 01:59 [hdf-us] [xnh] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Famine, on T:52626 02:00 [hdf-us] [xnh] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Famine (for the 2nd time), on T:52645 02:00 [hdf-us] [xnh] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed the high priest of Anhur (for the 2nd time), on T:52652 02:00 [hdf-us] [xnh] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Famine (for the 3rd time), on T:52660 02:01 [hdf-us] [xnh] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Pestilence, on T:52680 02:02 [hdf-us] [xnh] xdminsy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 3635972 points, T:52697, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/x/xdminsy/xnethack/dumplog/1702589465.xnh.html 02:03 [hdf-au] [nh370] misanthrope (Bar Orc Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:9716 02:10 [hdf-us] [dnh] Gorvunculus (Bin Hum Fem Non), 18563 points, T:3593, killed by a giant beetle zombie 02:35 [hdf-us] [dnh] Gorvunculus (Bin Hum Fem Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:3624 02:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] MoonPig (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:29577 02:45 -!- joes has joined #hardfought 02:45 [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the invisible Dark One, on T:33327 (9:18:50) 02:46 [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:33328 (9:19:16) 02:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] Gorvunculus (Bin Hum Fem Non), 27289 points, T:5550, killed by a gnome king 02:48 -!- cathartes has quit [Quit: fly away] 02:54 [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) completed his quest without incident, on T:34054 (9:28:06) 03:03 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 03:04 [hdf-us] [dnh] Gorvunculus (Bin Hum Fem Non), 2855 points, T:2381, killed by a gnome zombie 03:04 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 03:05 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 14263 points, T:11033, killed by a bolt of fire 03:07 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:09 [hdf-us] [ndnh] sirteapot (And-Ana And Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fireproof +2 speed boots", on T:16797 03:16 [hdf-us] [slshm] wsx9000 (Wiz Dop Fem Cha), 33366 points, T:11729, killed by a warg, while helpless 03:18 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 1905 points, T:2073, killed by a dwarf lady 03:19 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Cen Mal Cha) entered the Wizard of Yendor's lair, on T:62497 (1 day, 13:48:24) 03:25 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Cen Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:62544 (1 day, 13:54:25) 03:25 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Cen Mal Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:62545 (1 day, 13:54:33) 03:27 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Cen Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:62553 (1 day, 13:57:02) 03:28 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Arasaka (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 150 points, T:271, killed by a boulder 03:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] roisto (Val Hum Fem Law), 15484 points, T:10132, killed by a troll 03:34 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2546 (0:16:06) 03:37 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Pri Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Laenetta's ghost, the former Cutpurse, on T:7115 03:38 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Pri Hum Fem Neu) the Oracle has been killed, on T:7135 03:39 [hdf-au] [nh370] misanthrope (Bar Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Sokoban bag of holding, on T:12727 03:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] roisto (Val Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1509 03:41 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Pri Hum Fem Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:7548 03:44 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Cen Mal Cha) killed the giant high priestess of Moloch, on T:62637 (1 day, 14:13:50) 03:45 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Cen Mal Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:62639 (1 day, 14:14:18) 04:03 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Mon Hum Mal Neu) was given Nenya, on T:16950 04:11 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:13 [hdf-us] [un] lambda (Con Vam Fem Cha), 126 points, T:246, killed by a boulder 04:15 [hdf-us] [un] lambda (Con Vam Fem Cha), 238 points, T:99, killed by a little dart 04:19 -!- anselmus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:22 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 16886 points, T:11336, killed by a giant mummy 04:27 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 184 points, T:417, killed by a hobbit 04:27 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 13277 points, T:8801, killed by a tortle priestess of Issek, while paralyzed by a monster 04:29 [hdf-us] [un] lambda (Con Vam Fem Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1539 (0:14:03) 04:31 -!- Hekik has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:33 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Cen Mal Cha) killed Lucifer, on T:62737 (1 day, 14:34:52) 04:35 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 620 points, T:1410, killed by the Goblin King 04:37 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Cen Mal Cha) entered Purgatory, on T:62752 (1 day, 14:37:50) 04:39 [hdf-us] [un] lambda (Con Vam Fem Cha) entered Minetown, on T:2141 (0:24:15) 04:41 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 817 points, T:1044, killed by the Goblin King 04:41 [hdf-us] [un] lambda (Con Vam Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:2262 (0:26:02) 04:42 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 779 points, T:2066, killed by a homunculus 04:56 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2691 (0:14:35) 05:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] roisto (Val Hum Fem Law), 1687 points, T:2043, killed by a giant spider 05:04 -!- viryanah has joined #hardfought 05:06 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Pri Hum Fem Neu) found Demonbane on the floor, on T:2250 05:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] roisto (Val Hum Fem Law), 406 points, T:2048, killed by a giant rat, while frozen by a floating eye's gaze 05:12 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Pri Hum Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3179 05:13 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 5416 points, T:5439, killed by an elder minotaur 05:17 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Pri Hum Fem Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:3625 05:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] roisto (Val Hum Fem Law) was bestowed with Mjollnir by Tyr, on T:2587 05:30 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 4238 points, T:5422, killed by a giant bat, while praying 05:39 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Cen Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:63446 (1 day, 15:18:29) 05:40 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 1504 points, T:2530, quit 05:43 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 87 points, T:464, killed by a jackal 05:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] roisto (Val Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:5833 05:45 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 05:51 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Pri Hum Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2791 05:53 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:56 [hdf-us] [un] lambda (Con Vam Fem Cha), 4444 points, T:3502, killed by a crocodile, while fainted from lack of food 05:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] roisto (Val Hum Fem Law) became literate by reading a book, on T:6993 05:56 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Pri Hum Fem Neu) rejected atheism by offering a homunculus corpse on an altar of Raijin, on T:3044 05:57 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Brd Inc Mal Neu) was given their Quest, on T:23687 06:02 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] roisto (Val Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:7803 06:14 [hdf-us] [xnh] Grophenstopple (Bar Orc Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a ghoul, on T:15717 06:18 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Cen Mal Cha) killed Pestilence, on T:63657 (1 day, 15:47:55) 06:20 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Cen Mal Cha) killed the White Horse, on T:63660 (1 day, 15:50:12) 06:22 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 06:22 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523] by ChanServ 06:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] roisto (Val Hum Fem Law) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:9775 06:23 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Brd Inc Mal Neu) killed Aglaope, on T:25765 06:24 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Cen Mal Cha), 5034297 points, T:63669, ascended 06:24 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/m/mobileuser/evilhack/dumplog/1701985387.evil.html 06:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] wispofvapor (Sam Hum Fem Law) stole 410 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Akureyri's general store, on T:2143 06:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] wispofvapor (Sam Hum Fem Law), 932 points, T:2145, killed by a wand 06:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] wispofvapor (Sam Hum Fem Law), 162 points, T:319, killed by a gnome lord 06:37 [hdf-eu] [nh4] Eik-Lok (Nico64) (Cav Dwa Mal Law), 27980 points, T:1774, killed by a pony 06:38 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:5680 (0:35:15) 06:39 [hdf-eu] [nh4] Heki-Losk (Nico64) (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 5700 points, T:50, killed by a water moccasin 06:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] roisto (Val Hum Fem Law), 16815 points, T:11118, killed by an air elemental 06:45 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 4268 points, T:6418, killed by a centaurian watchman 06:49 !lastgame roisto 06:49 ais523: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/roisto/nethack/dumplog/1702635025.nh.html 06:51 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Brd Inc Mal Neu) was given Atlantean Royal Sword, on T:29023 06:51 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 06:51 hmm, the Sokoban zoo continues to kill characters 06:52 although, fighting an air elemental while burdened can't have helped 06:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] roisto (Val Hum Fem Law), 624 points, T:2150, killed by a dwarf, while frozen by a floating eye's gaze 07:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] roisto (Val Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2487 07:07 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Brd Inc Mal Neu) became the Envoy of Balance, on T:32885 07:09 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3768 (0:23:22) 07:13 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:17 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed Gollum, on T:2405 (0:10:32) 07:22 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:3452 (0:15:28) 07:26 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 07:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] roisto (Val Hum Fem Law), 1861 points, T:2704, killed by an ape 07:32 @e?giant beetle 07:32 giant beetle (a) | Lvl: 5 | Diff: 6 | Spd: 6 | Res: poison | Confer: poison | MR: 0 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 4 | Atk: 3d6 bite physical | Align: 0 | genocidable, carnivore, poisonous 07:34 -!- crunchbubba has quit [Quit: Client closed] 07:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] MoonPig (Tou Hum Fem Neu) declined to make a wish, on T:29823 07:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] MoonPig (Tou Hum Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:30077 07:42 -!- lorimer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:43 -!- lorimer has joined #hardfought 07:43 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v lorimer] by ChanServ 07:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] roisto (Val Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1921 07:45 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Cav Hlf Fem Neu), 516 points, T:884, killed by a giant bat 07:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] roisto (Val Hum Fem Law), 3717 points, T:2505, killed by an orc-captain 07:52 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 07:55 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 07:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] roisto (Val Hum Fem Law), 560 points, T:2030, killed by a wand 08:02 [hdf-us] [xnh] Grophenstopple (Bar Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Sokoban amulet of reflection, on T:16925 08:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] roisto (Val Hum Fem Law), 543 points, T:1578, killed by a magic missile zapped by a gnomish wizard 08:08 [hdf-eu] [nh370] dedal (Pri Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed oilskin sack", got "a blessed oilskin sack", on T:116733 08:09 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 08:10 [hdf-eu] [nh370] dedal (Pri Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed spellbook of finger of death", got "a blessed violet spellbook", on T:116761 08:15 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Imanity (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 3023 points, T:1871, quit 08:15 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Brd Inc Mal Neu) killed Croesus, on T:35054 08:16 K2: how do you get the hp bar as with https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/File:Gh_curses_perm_invent.png - i stole your rc file and its not inverted, leading to just colored text 08:19 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 08:20 ok nvm it was use_inverse 08:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] roisto (Val Hum Fem Neu), 553 points, T:1086, killed by a water moccasin 08:30 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Imanity (Elf-Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1142 08:32 -!- docpi has joined #hardfought 08:33 -!- KeyKobra has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:33 [hdf-eu] [nh370] dedal (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered the Elemental Planes, on T:117171 08:33 [hdf-eu] [nh370] dedal (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered Plane of Earth, on T:117171 08:37 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 08:38 [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Kni Cen Mal Cha), 1034 points, T:904, killed by the Goblin King, while sleeping 08:38 do spiritual soulstones and the ones that boost hp regen have any effect on incantifiers? 08:38 vital soulstones: yes, spiritual soulstones: yes, but it only matters for spell maintenance (your pw doesn't actually increase) 08:38 spell maintenance how? 08:39 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Spell_maintenance 08:39 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 08:39 [hdf-eu] [nh370] dedal (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered Plane of Air, on T:117390 08:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Hill (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:30494 08:39 i mean how does the stone maintain it? keep it from going down or just slow it? 08:40 [hdf-eu] [nh370] dedal (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered Plane of Fire, on T:117439 08:40 also would that be the same as the sylables from the neutral quest that permanently increase pw regen by a tiny bit? 08:40 spell maintenance decreases your pw regen and only actually decreases your current pw if your regen becomes negative. incantifier pw regen is cancelled out after spell maintenance is handbled 08:40 I think so 08:41 s/handbled/handled/ 08:42 -!- Bleeko has joined #hardfought 08:46 incantifiers have spare pw regen that it wasted if you don't maintain a spell. detect monsters is the only one really worth maintaining (detect unseen is redundant with intrinsic see invisible, levitation is redundant with flying, haste self can be stacked by casting it lots of times, invisibility is redundant with intrinsic invisibility, protection harms pw regen and therefore your ability to maintain it) 08:47 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 5407 points, T:4680, quit 08:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] desertgreg (Cav Gno Fem Neu) murdered Slasher, her faithful little dog, on T:2624 08:50 -!- crunchbubba has joined #hardfought 08:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] roisto (Val Hum Fem Neu) became literate by engraving "asdf", on T:4173 08:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] roisto (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1759 points, T:4357, killed by a pony 08:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] desertgreg (Cav Gno Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:3381 08:56 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Brd Inc Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:38023 08:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] Hill (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) attained the rank of Sorcerer (level 18), on T:31396 08:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] Hill (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:31465 08:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] desertgreg (Cav Gno Fem Neu) destroyed roisto's ghost, the former Fighter, on T:3579 09:00 [hdf-eu] [nh370] dedal (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered Plane of Water, on T:117495 09:00 -!- docpi has quit [Quit: work!] 09:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] roisto (Val Hum Fem Neu) found Vorpal Blade on the floor, on T:1264 09:02 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 1018 points, T:2305, killed by a dog 09:03 [hdf-eu] [nh370] dedal (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered the Astral Plane, on T:117572 09:04 [hdf-eu] [nh370] dedal (Pri Hum Mal Neu) killed Famine, on T:117588 09:05 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:05 [hdf-eu] [nh370] dedal (Pri Hum Mal Neu) killed Famine (2nd time), on T:117614 09:06 [hdf-eu] [nh370] dedal (Pri Hum Mal Neu) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:117631 09:06 [hdf-eu] [nh370] dedal (Pri Hum Mal Neu) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:117633 09:07 [hdf-eu] [nh370] dedal (Pri Hum Mal Neu) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:117638 09:07 [hdf-eu] [nh370] dedal (Pri Hum Mal Neu) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:117641 09:08 [hdf-eu] [nh370] dedal (Pri Hum Mal Cha) averted death (killed by invisible Famine), on T:117650 09:08 [hdf-eu] [nh370] dedal (Pri Hum Mal Cha) killed Famine (3rd time), on T:117651 09:08 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 09:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] desertgreg (Cav Gno Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:4130 09:10 [hdf-eu] [nh370] dedal (Pri Hum Mal Cha) killed the high priest of Issek, on T:117667 09:11 [hdf-eu] [nh370] dedal (Pri Hum Mal Neu) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:117673 09:11 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 09:11 [hdf-eu] [nh370] dedal (Pri Hum Mal Neu) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:117675 09:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] roisto (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed roisto's ghost, the former Skirmisher, on T:3014 09:11 [hdf-eu] [nh370] dedal (Pri Hum Mal Neu) killed Famine (5th time), on T:117680 09:12 [hdf-eu] [nh370] dedal (Pri Hum Mal Neu) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:117684 09:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] desertgreg (Cav Gno Fem Neu), 2675 points, T:4233, killed by a Woodland-elf 09:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] roisto (Val Hum Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:3161 09:13 [hdf-eu] [nh370] dedal (Pri Hum Mal Neu) killed Pestilence, on T:117757 09:14 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 1169 points, T:1601, killed by a purple worm 09:15 [hdf-us] [fh] Hobnail (picaresquieu) (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 39604 points, T:5337, killed by an elf zombie 09:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] roisto (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1511 points, T:3351, killed by a gnome queen, while fainted from lack of food 09:15 [hdf-eu] [nh370] dedal (Pri Hum Mal Neu) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:117800 09:19 [hdf-eu] [nh370] dedal (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 2943669 points, T:117800, ascended 09:19 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/d/dedal/nethack/dumplog/1700671618.nh.html 09:19 gg 09:22 [hdf-eu] [nh343] Nobbs (Arc Hum Mal Neu) had a double-headed axe named Cleaver bestowed upon him by Camaxtli, on T:3091 09:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] roisto (Val Hum Fem Neu), 678 points, T:1418, killed by a gnome lord 09:24 [hdf-us] [dnh] Pacra (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:31941 09:26 [hdf-eu] [nh343] Nobbs (Arc Hum Mal Neu) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3343 09:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] GrmlyFndsh (Val Hum Mal Neu) genocided class h, on T:61987 09:27 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed squishy's ghost, the former Fighter, on T:6811 (1:02:10) 09:29 -!- qt has joined #hardfought 09:29 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v qt] by ChanServ 09:30 [hdf-eu] [nh343] Nobbs (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 3324 points, T:3682, killed by an arrow 09:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] roisto (Val Hum Fem Neu), 789 points, T:1425, killed by a dwarf 09:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] roisto (Val Hum Fem Law) murdered her faithful kitten, on T:106 09:32 [hdf-us] [fh] Chip Charming (picaresquieu) (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 27005 points, T:1521, killed by a giant ant 09:39 [hdf-eu] [nh343] Nobbs (Arc Hum Mal Neu) had a long sword named Vorpal Blade bestowed upon him by Camaxtli, on T:2941 09:41 -!- docpi has joined #hardfought 09:43 [hdf-us] [dnh] thebobness (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) was given the Silence Glaive, on T:13154 09:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] roisto (Val Hum Fem Law), 2095 points, T:2952, killed by a gray unicorn 09:48 [hdf-eu] [nh343] Nobbs (Arc Hum Mal Neu) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:4011 09:53 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 11058 points, T:7394, killed by an invisible dwarven watch captain, while sleeping 09:55 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 09:55 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 09:58 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 137 points, T:537, killed by a fox, while reading a book 10:05 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Cav Hlf Fem Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1817 10:09 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Cav Hlf Fem Neu) wished for "Blessed Ring of Slow Digestion", on T:2248 10:10 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Cav Hlf Fem Neu), 7897 points, T:2371, killed by a watchman 10:13 [hdf-us] [dnh] Pacra (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Axus, on T:34284 10:13 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 879 points, T:1778, killed by a rabid rat, while frozen by a potion 10:17 [hdf-us] [xnh] Pux (Hea Hum Mal Neu) was bestowed with Fire Brand by Hermes, on T:10303 10:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] wispofvapor (Sam Hum Fem Law) was bestowed with Snickersnee by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:1896 10:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] desertgreg (Cav Gno Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2217 10:29 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Val Swn Fem Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1815 10:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] desertgreg (Cav Gno Fem Neu), 845 points, T:2256, killed by a Woodland-elf 10:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] GrmlyFndsh (Val Hum Mal Neu) found the Orb of Fate on the floor, on T:65132 10:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] GrmlyFndsh (Val Hum Mal Neu) killed Lord Surtur, on T:65163 10:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] GrmlyFndsh (Val Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:65164 10:35 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #hardfought 10:35 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Val Swn Fem Law) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:2365 10:36 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Client Quit] 10:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 19810 points, T:12431, killed by a black unicorn 10:38 [hdf-us] [slth] dndg (Wiz Dro Fem Cha), 11765 points, T:3760, quit 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T:2780, killed by a gnome lord 10:55 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Val Swn Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:4396 10:57 [hdf-us] [xnh] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Croesus, on T:28883 11:03 [hdf-us] [un] lambda (Con Vam Fem Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:3003 (0:58:29) 11:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] wispofvapor (Sam Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "2 blessed greased scrolls of charging", got "a greased scroll labeled VE FORBRYDERNE", on T:4274 11:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] wispofvapor (Sam Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased rustproof +3 silver dragon scale mail", got "a greased silver dragon scale mail", on T:4275 11:17 I prefer to fix my scrolls of charging than to grease them 11:18 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Val Swn Fem Law), 51747 points, T:6869, killed by a deep one 11:18 (do fireproof scrolls actually resist item destruction?) 11:23 [hdf-us] [slth] dndg (Wiz Dro Fem Cha), 358 points, T:941, killed by a shotgun shell 11:26 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Master Kaen, on T:20722 11:28 -!- crunchbubba has quit [Quit: Client closed] 11:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Cav Gno Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2165 11:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Cav Gno Fem Neu), 1898 points, T:2266, killed by a wolf 11:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] wispofvapor (Sam Hum Fem Law) made her first artifact wish - "blessed greased rustproof +2 mitre of holiness", got "a greased crystal helmet named the Mitre of Holiness", on T:5337 11:38 -!- rebatela has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:38 -!- terrapin has quit [Quit: Cheers!] 11:40 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Dro Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed fireproof marker", on T:44199 (1 day, 3:20:09) 11:43 [hdf-us] [dnh] thebobness (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) was given their Quest, on T:22543 11:48 [hdf-us] [un] lambda (Con Vam Fem Cha) had Werebane bestowed upon her by Tymora, on T:5818 (1:43:30) 11:48 -!- nurdglaw has joined #hardfought 11:55 [hdf-us] [xnh] Grophenstopple (Bar Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:20158 11:56 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 11:59 [hdf-us] [un] lambda (Con Vam Fem Cha) entered Minetown, on T:6564 (1:54:18) 12:00 [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had a spellbook of charm monster given to him by Anhur, on T:34974 (9:51:22) 12:00 [hdf-us] [un] lambda (Con Vam Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:6610 (1:55:04) 12:08 -!- KeyKobra has joined #hardfought 12:13 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 12:13 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 12:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] wispofvapor (Sam Hum Fem Law) Ouiatchouane, the general store proprietrix, has been killed, on T:8246 12:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] GrmlyFndsh (Val Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +2 helm of brilliance", got "a crystal helmet", on T:68876 12:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] wispofvapor (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:8526 12:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] GrmlyFndsh (Val Hum Mal Neu) made his first artifact wish - "blessed Platinum Yendorian Express Card", got "a credit card named the Platinum Yendorian Express Card", on T:68884 12:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] haldisse (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 2787 points, T:4286, killed by a dagger 12:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] wispofvapor (Sam Hum Fem Law) averted death (killed by a soldier ant), on T:9349 12:29 -!- crunchbubba has joined #hardfought 12:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] roisto (Val Hum Fem Law), 777 points, T:1903, killed by a dwarf 12:30 [hdf-us] [dnh] thebobness (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:27321 12:32 [hdf-us] [ndnh] sirteapot (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed the invisible high shaman of Moloch, on T:18919 12:33 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 12:35 -!- aosdict has joined #hardfought 12:35 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v aosdict] by ChanServ 12:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] roisto (Val Hum Fem Law) destroyed roisto's ghost, the former Skirmisher, on T:1415 12:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] roisto (Val Hum Fem Law), 550 points, T:1505, killed by a dwarf 12:37 [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Croesus, on T:36128 (10:29:03) 12:40 [hdf-us] [xnh] Grophenstopple (Bar Orc Mal Cha) entered the Bigroom, on T:22796 12:40 [hdf-us] [dnh] thebobness (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 302999 points, T:27941, killed by a priest mummy 12:48 [hdf-us] [xnh] Gouhan (Sam Hum Mal Law) found Giantslayer in a shop, on T:836 12:53 -!- Sgeo has joined #hardfought 12:54 -!- viryanah has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] roisto (Val Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2417 12:59 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] Noisytoot (Bin Ent Mal Non) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:7356 13:00 chaos2 again 13:00 [hdf-us] [xnh] Gouhan (Sam Hum Mal Law) was given Excalibur by the Lady of the Lake, on T:2667 13:03 [hdf-us] [evil] latebear (Mon Hum Fem Neu) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:66229 (1 day, 1:21:55) 13:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] roisto (Val Hum Fem Law) was bestowed with Mjollnir by Tyr, on T:2926 13:04 [hdf-us] [xnh] every (Cav Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:4096 13:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] wispofvapor (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the Sokoban bag of holding, on T:10533 13:05 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 13:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] roisto (Val Hum Fem Law) was bestowed with Demonbane by Tyr, on T:3463 13:06 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 13:08 [hdf-us] [xnh] Gouhan (Sam Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3577 13:08 [hdf-us] [xnh] Gouhan (Sam Hum Mal Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping 9 arrows on an altar, on T:3580 13:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] mikew999 (Rog Orc Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:2986 13:10 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 13:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bean (Val Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2146 13:12 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Val Gia Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:3365 (1:04:52) 13:12 [hdf-us] [dnh] thebobness (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) was given Magicbane, on T:3344 13:13 -!- dingotron has joined #hardfought 13:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] wispofvapor (Sam Hum Fem Law) signified by divine providence, was chosen to carry Excalibur, on T:11427 13:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] mikew999 (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 1259 points, T:3097, killed by a gold golem 13:16 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:17 [hdf-us] [nh343] coplate (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 3926 points, T:2141, quit 13:20 [hdf-us] [xnh] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:31009 13:21 [hdf-us] [un] rericksn (Cav Gno Mal Neu), 260 points, T:595, killed by an Elvenking 13:22 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Pri Hum Fem Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:5392 13:28 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] Noisytoot (Bin Ent Mal Non) destroyed the Lokoban Pinata, on T:10448 13:28 [hdf-us] [dnh] thebobness (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 10595 points, T:5884, killed by a fire ant 13:29 [hdf-us] [dnh] thebobness (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 108 points, T:276, killed by a goblin 13:34 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 6640 points, T:6420, killed by a Grey-elf 13:34 [hdf-us] [nh343] ellone (Val Hum Fem Neu) became literate by engraving "huihihi", on T:3150 13:35 [hdf-us] [un] rericksn (Bar Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:1300 (0:13:29) 13:36 [hdf-us] [xnh] Grophenstopple (Bar Orc Mal Cha) found Ogresmasher on the floor, on T:25331 13:38 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 13:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] GrmlyFndsh (Val Hum Mal Neu) found Sunsword carried by a monster, on T:74153 13:39 [hdf-us] [xnh] Grophenstopple (Bar Orc Mal Cha) found Stormbringer on the floor, on T:25402 13:39 [hdf-us] [xnh] Grophenstopple (Bar Orc Mal Cha) found the Apple of Discord on the floor, on T:25402 13:39 [hdf-us] [xnh] Grophenstopple (Bar Orc Mal Cha) found Mirror Brand on the floor, on T:25402 13:40 [hdf-us] [un] rericksn (Bar Hum Mal Neu) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:1667 (0:18:55) 13:43 -!- Chris__ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:43 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 289 points, T:761, killed by a gnome lord 13:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bean (Val Hum Fem Law) destroyed wispofvapor's ghost, the former Ronin, on T:5623 13:46 [hdf-us] [nh343] ellone (Val Hum Fem Neu) retrieved the Mine's End luckstone, on T:4610 13:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bean (Val Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:6025 13:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] GrmlyFndsh (Val Hum Mal Neu) Yildizeli, the used armor dealership proprietrix, has been killed, on T:74693 13:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] GrmlyFndsh (Val Hum Mal Neu) Izchak, the lighting store proprietor, has been killed, on T:74820 13:50 [hdf-us] [xnh] every (Cav Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:5963 13:51 [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Ashikaga Takauji, on T:43856 (1 day, 9:33:30) 13:52 [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:43864 (1 day, 9:34:05) 13:52 -!- joes has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:53 -!- nurdglaw has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] GrmlyFndsh (Val Hum Mal Neu) Telloc Cyaj, the hardware store proprietor, has been killed, on T:74987 13:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] stash (Bar Hum Mal Neu) became literate by engraving "foo", on T:4233 13:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bean (Val Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "+2 Blessed silver dragon scale mail", got "a silver dragon scale mail", on T:6691 13:54 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 791 points, T:1808, killed by a kobold lady 13:56 [hdf-us] [nh343] ellone (Val Hum Fem Neu), 26997 points, T:6009, quit 13:57 [hdf-us] [evil] gdiist (Sam Hum Mal Law) completed his quest without incident, on T:44099 (1 day, 9:39:13) 13:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] stash (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 4089 points, T:4644, killed by an owlbear 13:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] GrmlyFndsh (Val Hum Mal Neu) Wonotobo, the general store proprietrix, has been killed, on T:75646 13:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bean (Val Hum Fem Law) signified by divine providence, was chosen to carry Excalibur, on T:7333 13:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] GrmlyFndsh (Val Hum Mal Neu) Karangkobar, the delicatessen proprietor, has been killed, on T:75685 14:02 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 200 points, T:1380, killed by a giant mimic 14:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] GrmlyFndsh (Val Hum Mal Neu) Kabalebo, the general store proprietor, has been killed, on T:76030 14:03 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 14:04 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #hardfought 14:07 in 370, whenever I use an extended command, after I do it it takes me back to entering an extended command like i pressed # again, can I turn this off 14:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] GrmlyFndsh (Val Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed wand of probing", got "a uranium wand", on T:76610 14:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bean (Val Hum Fem Law) Balya, the used armor dealership proprietor, has been killed, on T:8227 14:10 it should not do that 14:10 aka it's a bug 14:11 [hdf-us] [evil] latebear (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed Orcus, on T:67551 (1 day, 2:16:24) 14:11 ah 14:12 ... i'm not seeing that behaviour 14:12 [hdf-us] [nh343] ellone (Val Hum Fem Neu), 4954 points, T:2017, quit 14:12 try using #force on a chest or something 14:13 -!- Chris__ANG has joined #hardfought 14:13 no, works just fine for me 14:15 hm, it's still happening for me 14:15 #forcing a chest: "You start bashing it with your spear. You succeed in forcing the lock." and then it immediately reopens the little # popup to put in an extended command 14:17 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Pri Hum Fem Neu) destroyed elenmirie's ghost, the former Acolyte, on T:3352 14:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] jww (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:3325 14:23 Loggers_VIII: that sounds like a bug to me, but it isn't one I've observed in my own games 14:23 what interface are you using? 14:23 also, if it's happening to you and not me, I suspect it's a bug in some option or other and we have the option set differently from each other 14:23 the only one that comes to mind offhand is "extmenu" which I have off 14:24 I am using curses 14:25 yo ais523 14:25 do you remember if players killed by L rise as zombies? 14:25 as in bones zombies 14:25 Umbire: not offhand, although I think if they rise as undead it would be very likely wraiths rather than zombies 14:27 Umbire: they do arise as zombies (not wraiths), see "zombie_maker" in src/mon.c 14:28 Is this new to 3.7, or is it in previous versions? 14:28 also apparently cancelling the lich will prevent it creating a zombie, it'll just create a corpse if it kills while cancelled 14:28 yeah that part I'm aware of 14:29 looks like 3.7 14:29 I've noticed that in 3.7 the little animations for missiles getting thrown don't play (or if they do it's so fast I can't notice it) is there an option to change that? 14:29 at least, the commit adding it also updated the 3.7 changelog, which is a big clue that it was at least intended for 3.7 14:30 Loggers_VIII: try messing around with timed_delay and sparkle, although it wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't either of those options 14:30 might also be a curses rather than 3.7 thing 14:30 I don't thiiink it's a curses thing 14:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] stash (Tou Hum Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2283 14:31 Loggers_VIII: timed_delay 14:31 thanks 14:31 iirc, i changed curses few years back to actually obey timed_delay 14:32 in theory timed_delay is affected by network lag, and the old-fashioned null method is more reliable; however, in practice the null method isn't implemented on modern terminals, so timed_delay it is 14:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] stash (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 402 points, T:2337, killed by a land mine 14:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] SkydiveMike (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 2152 points, T:2054, killed by a giant bat 14:33 just play locally. 14:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] Loggers (Mon Hum Fem Cha) destroyed desertgreg's ghost, the former Aborigine, on T:1026 14:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] Loggers (Mon Hum Fem Cha) destroyed desertgreg's ghost, the former Wanderer, on T:1073 14:33 double greg 14:35 [hdf-us] [dnh] thebobness (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:5865 14:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] Loggers (Mon Hum Fem Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1245 14:43 -!- nurdglaw has joined #hardfought 14:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] Loggers (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 9262 points, T:2275, killed by an orc mummy, while frozen by a floating eye's gaze 14:46 aghhhh yet another floating eye death 14:46 I hate those too (to the extent that in my recent ascension I spent *two* wishes on items to survive eyebumps) 14:47 I found an early /oW so it was all about minimizing risk, and risk from the UI is part of that 14:47 yeah 14:48 was playing the endgame reflectionless so I wished up an =oFA to survive eyebumps in one of the less critical inventory slots 14:48 (although, I seem to be relying on rings lategame a lot more in 3.7) 14:48 how did the food testing go? 14:48 no issue with food on it? 14:48 my lategame rings are pretty much all that stays the same between variants. free action levitation and slow digestion 14:49 and conflict 14:49 cbus: well I wasn't playing vegan, I had 20 spare rations by the castle despite the food reduction, also a horn of plenty that I never used at all 14:49 in 3.7 add =oShockRes 14:49 I've never used conflict really 14:49 maybe I should try it 14:49 in fact I was using =oRegen primarily to lose nutrition 14:49 can we make it a thing where you can see max skill available when you use #enhance 14:49 give a vegan a monk a try if you want more data points 14:49 dnh does it so I am biased but still :P 14:49 mine was struggling, I might be "levelling out" 14:49 I'm trying vegan monk currently, will report back o7 14:49 but it has other issues 14:49 cbus: I've never ascended even a regular monk, I might try that first 14:49 (master lich...) 14:50 ahh ok 14:50 I do almost all my monks vegan and weaponless any how 14:50 only when I am streaking or want to "just win" I might go weapons but I usually dont 14:50 I do go armor though 14:51 also good to hear other ppl mention how it goes since different playstyles (and different RNG) 14:51 I dont want to complain before I have solid data :D 14:52 and if there are no solid data then no problem! 14:52 I think I have the only ascensions so far in -94 14:52 all my monks so far have been weapons using meat eating heretics 14:52 I have ascended it three times (twice locally and once on hardfought), but the recent hardfought ascensions all took multiple days, thus were playing on an older build 14:52 ahh ok 14:53 [hdf-us] [nh343] coplate (Pri Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:63 14:53 err, the recent hardfought ascensions by other people 14:53 while we're on the topic of monks, their crowning gift is Lame and Ass and should be changed 14:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] GrmlyFndsh (Val Hum Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:80604 14:53 it doesn't help that they get all the other crowning intrinsics naturally anyway 14:54 personally I Dont mind 14:54 but thats because I try to stay at xp:14 14:54 which means missing shock res and tc 14:54 the second of my three ascensions, I was using the "restore ability" spell fairly heavily 14:54 unihorn nerf means spell will actually see use 14:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] GrmlyFndsh (Val Hum Mal Neu) found Ogresmasher on the floor, on T:80776 14:54 I'm not denying that it's a convenient utility, but compare it to the other crowning gifts 14:54 will it though 14:55 not gonna change my use :P 14:55 wizard gets FINGER OF DEATH lol 14:55 the main impact of the unihorn nerf seems to be making it more dangerous to stay satiated for long periods of time, the dex abuse starts to build up when you have no free way to cure it 14:55 might just not cancel my !oRestoreAbility 14:55 instead 14:55 I don't blank !oRA in 3.7 14:55 yeah 14:55 also makes !oGA better 14:55 [hdf-eu] [nh370] nurdglaw (Pri Hum Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:10906 14:55 I use them as end game anti dex abuse 14:55 :P 14:55 "dex goes down? I drink a potion" 14:56 neat idea 14:56 I've never seen anyone actually overstuff themselves like that that frequently 14:56 I'm not gonna lie I just stay satiated for the whole game and then ignore my dex lol 14:56 I try to avoid eating at all at satiated 14:56 thats what I did loggers_viii 14:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] jww (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 3321 points, T:4931, killed by an Uruk-hai 14:56 does dex even like do anything? 14:56 but then I decided "lets see if I can minmax it" 14:56 * Umbire bonks Loggers_VIII 14:56 Umbire: nutrition management is kind-of wonky in Gehennom, it gets very hard to estimate whether you're just over hungry or just under satiated 14:57 -!- oh7 has joined #hardfought 14:57 Loggers_VIII: there are a few things that depend on str+dex+con, and it affects hit chance (which is mostly irrelevant due to luck) 14:57 probably also using unlocking tools? 14:57 nothing much, just determines to-hit ability 14:57 it is relevant on monks with armor 14:57 though 14:57 I mean if you go unarmed it is no biggie with maxed luck 14:57 but once you start swinging that rubber chicken 14:57 oh boy are you missing 14:57 : 14:57 D 14:57 :D 14:58 might take 4-5 swings on orcus 14:58 -!- oh6 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:58 -!- oh7 is now known as oh6 14:58 add dex penalty on that and it should be even wores 14:59 in general stats seem to be mostly irrelevant in NetHack, with the exception of needing to factor in cha to prices when trying to price-ID stuff 14:59 con is good 14:59 so is strength and the spellcasting stats 14:59 oh, and int giving hungerless casting, although lategame that's more of a downside than anything because it makes it hard to drop nutrition intentionally 14:59 Loggers_VIII: what aspect of con? 15:00 HP growth 15:00 OK, I'll buy that 15:00 carrycap 15:00 one thing I hadn't realised until recently is that con naturally maxes itself fairly quickly for any character 15:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) was bestowed with Magicbane by Anhur, on T:2356 15:01 str and con are both good for carrycap too yeah 15:01 it is exercised by having a neutral hunger status (above hungry, below satiated) which is something that most characters have most of the time 15:01 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 15:02 WHY are fog clouds # now 15:02 bug 15:02 They aren't, they just spout fog clouds 15:02 man 15:02 the fog cloud (the monster) is creating a fog cloud (the terrain) 15:03 but the vision calculation gets confused by this for some reason 15:03 we've made at least one failed attempt to fix it 15:03 ok ok good as long as it isn't intentional 15:03 it is probably going to be fixed before release? 15:03 I might prefer a fog explosion on death instead of the trailing clouds, just my 2 cents 15:04 the bigger problem for me than the monster looking like a cloud, is that the cloud looks like a corridor when playing ASCII or DECgraphics 15:04 ^ agreed 15:05 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Pri Hum Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:7247 15:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2779 15:06 mine town can be reflected??????????? 15:06 is this what we get for complaining about reflected soko 15:06 I still play with sink as # lol so it could be a sink could be a cloud who knows 15:06 it's not just flipped Sokoban, it's all special levels can be flipped 15:06 Oh, reflected/flipped, yes it can 15:07 been the case relatively early on in 3.7's devspan 15:09 btw, a big mindfuck is that # when in ; mode toggles auto_describe 15:09 :D 15:09 or in _ 15:09 (when you want to travel to sink) 15:09 intentional feature but being able to travel to sink is cool 15:09 Ohh, intriguing 15:10 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Val Gia Fem Neu) became literate by engraving "test", on T:5251 (2:17:45) 15:11 bro you can't single turn unlock doors with keys anymore? 15:11 I'm going to get kilt by this watchman if I wanna open a pesky door??? 15:12 [hdf-us] [hackm] Lukethecool1001 (Pir Gno Mal Neu), 159 points, T:187, killed by a dart 15:13 [hdf-us] [nh343] coplate (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 4504 points, T:2720, killed by a watch captain 15:13 well I guess exploding the door with the trap doesn't make them mad, works fine for me 15:14 single turn unlock with keys always was non-guaranteed 15:14 I think you might just have hit the small fail chance 15:18 Yeah, you've always run that risk when unlocking doors 15:19 but if you do it in 1 turn (easier with high Dex) then it's no danger in that instance 15:19 the watch also only kills you if you immediately disobey their warning 15:19 if you wait a few turns and then try again it's whatever 15:19 ahhhh right wizard moment 15:20 exploding the door won't anger them either 15:20 too used to playing characters who know how to fiddle 15:20 (from the trap that's made) 15:21 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:21 whoa better ray animations! 15:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] desertgreg (Cav Gno Fem Neu), 47 points, T:176, killed by a jackal 15:23 [hdf-us] [nh343] coplate (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 577 points, T:1178, killed by a giant bat 15:23 Umbire: in 3.4.3 it's based on whether they can see you open the door after they warned you, although that might have changed since 15:25 right 15:25 [hdf-us] [nh343] coplate (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 204 points, T:262, killed by a tower of flame 15:25 but I'm 99% on them only caring about the game turn immediately after that 15:25 certainty-wise 15:26 if you have knock/wiz lock it's a moot point 15:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:5949 15:27 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 643 points, T:1875, killed by Gollum 15:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] desertgreg (Cav Gno Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1059 15:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 8336 points, T:7067, petrified by a cockatrice 15:33 noooooooooo I thought I was wielding a weapon 15:33 in a recent run I actually used a wand of opening to repair a lock on a chest, don't think I've done that before 15:34 nooooooooooooooooooo I fell for the ol' c 15:34 ouch 15:34 I tend to double-check that the first time I encounter a cockatrice, or if I've been ungloved recently 15:34 this is the sort of thing that I consider an interface screw because the character would know whether or not they were holding a weapon even if the player doesn't 15:34 yasi: make a "are you sure you want to attack c's" option 15:35 but the problem for me is distinguishing between "the player doesn't know the character is missing a weapon" and "the player doesn't know cockatrices are dangerous" 15:35 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 15:35 true 15:35 and even though I could probably be convinced that warning about barehanded attacks on cockatrices is a good idea, I seriously doubt you could convince the devteam as a collective decision-making entity of that 15:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] roisto (Val Hum Fem Law), 7277 points, T:5846, killed by a soldier ant, while fainted from lack of food 15:38 !lastgame roisto 15:38 ais523: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/roisto/nethack/dumplog/1702661766.nh.html 15:39 that is interesting – looks like actually running out of food rather than an oversight or thinko 15:40 has explored to Minetown but not gone deeper into the Dungones 15:40 -!- oh7 has joined #hardfought 15:40 maybe we should be guaranteeing a delicatessen in Minetown? it normally generates one, but there are times when it doesn't, and it may suddenly have become relevant 15:40 less chance of general store? :P 15:41 that said, T:5846 seems kind-of slow for a game that's gone to Minetown and back but nowhere else 15:41 so maybe this is "the food clock actually works in the early game now" rather than being a problem 15:41 will need more data 15:41 imo food should never be a death if handled :) 15:41 like in current version 15:41 but thats the streaker in me talking 15:41 "if handled"? 15:41 you shouldnt die if you eat corpses and food and dont mess around 15:41 it makes running around pointlessly and altar camping more dangerous, I'll tell you that 15:42 you shouldnt have to helplessly dive 15:42 I also attempted to do an atheist priest once and died when I ran out of food and refused to pray 15:42 and hope for RNG to save you 15:42 cbus: food should be safer for streaking now because there is a guaranteed ration on an early Dungeons level 15:42 my monk had to dive aimlessly in hope for food 15:42 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:42 [hdf-us] [dnh] thebobness (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 9495 points, T:7860, killed by a triton 15:42 what did happen to your monk, in the end? 15:42 I didn't see how that game ended 15:42 random monster hit poly trap 15:42 turned into master lich 15:42 poofed my robe 15:43 I elberethed and level ported out 15:43 so now I am 2 levels below it 15:43 and blocked off to minetown 15:43 "I dont feel that run" 15:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 1039 points, T:2829, killed by a werejackal 15:43 I feel a bit like polytraps are a bit too brute-force a way of creating "interesting" moments 15:44 although, they are easier to defuse in 3.7 than they used to be (any MR source + any digging source works, as does MR + cancellation) 15:44 -!- oh7 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:48 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 15:48 they usually arent a problem once you find them 15:52 [hdf-us] [hackm] Lukethecool1001 (Fla Gno Mal Neu), 563 points, T:1732, killed by a crossbow bolt 15:52 3.7 has level "sounds" (actually smells) for them (although they're sadly unreliable) 15:52 or, well, for any non-shapeshifter monster polymorph but it usually indicates a polytrap 15:54 (note: I may be wrong on the details here, I didn't write that code and haven't looked at it very closely) 15:55 The smells thing has been in for a while 15:55 and it also doesn't always distinguish much between a polytrap several monsters are using or a shapeshifter 15:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Bar Hum Mal Neu) became literate by reading a book, on T:3238 15:57 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:58 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 7775 points, T:7976, killed by a soldier ant 15:58 -!- rebatela has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:58 ais523: don't need MR, just zap cancellation over the trap 15:59 any magical trap hit by the beam is cancelled 15:59 it goes kaboom 15:59 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 16:00 paxed: oh, horizontally? I didn't think of that 16:00 have been using vertical zaps to blow up traps 16:00 (presumably digging needs vertical, horizontal doesn't work) 16:00 right 16:01 [hdf-us] [xnh] every (Cav Hum Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:9678 16:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] haldisse (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 1145 points, T:2948, killed by a dog 16:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] maneatingcow (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed Yeenoghu, on T:81559 16:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Bar Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:4177 16:05 [hdf-eu] [nh370] nurdglaw (Pri Hum Mal Law), 17229 points, T:13085, killed by a fire elemental 16:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Bar Hum Mal Neu) was bestowed with Cleaver by Crom, on T:4244 16:08 Is that a new (3.6 or 3.7) thing? In dNetHack you need to zap it vertically. 16:08 New in 3.7 16:09 [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Ran Orc Fem Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:44260 (1 day, 9:09:59) 16:10 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Pri Hum Fem Neu) murdered Yermak, her faithful little dog, on T:1773 16:11 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 575 points, T:1795, killed by a grid bug 16:11 [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Ran Orc Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:44317 (1 day, 9:11:39) 16:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] strathmeyer (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 2932 points, T:4288, killed by an acidic corpse 16:17 [hdf-us] [dnh] thebobness (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:5245 16:17 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Mon Hum Mal Neu) was given the Tie-Dye Shirt of Shambhala, on T:24937 16:18 -!- rebatela has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] haldisse (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 870 points, T:2913, killed by a giant ant 16:22 [hdf-us] [evil] tau (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 288267 points, T:37672, petrified by Medusa 16:24 -!- engelson has joined #hardfought 16:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Laenetta (Sam Hum Mal Law) murdered Brennan, his faithful little dog, on T:547 16:36 -!- dingotron has quit [Quit: Client closed] 16:37 -!- nurdglaw has quit [Quit: Client closed] 16:38 [hdf-us] [evil] goast (Tou Hob Mal Neu), 592 points, T:1473, killed by a giant rat 16:41 ais523, so far I haven't had much problems with food early game. And I've been playing priests... 16:43 -!- crunchbubba has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] Laenetta (Sam Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1635 16:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Physician (level 26), on T:68091 16:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Chirurgeon (level 30), on T:68093 16:47 I really dig the dwarvish cloak change though - forces some difficult choices between different cloaks early game 16:48 the addition of 1 food ration guaranteed is interesting since that's equal to the amount of variance for 2 starting roles, and the variance for 2 other starting roles is way larger than that 16:49 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 16:49 (and tourist has a lot of variance, they can get lots of rations or lots of weak food, but either way they start with a lot) 16:49 Yes, if anything, the tourist starts with "time" 16:51 -!- CRISPR has joined #hardfought 16:51 -!- stagnate has joined #hardfought 16:53 -!- engelson has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:54 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Pri Hum Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:4666 16:54 First turn in Fort Ludios and 5 monsters read a scroll of teleportation 16:54 I'm not that scary 16:55 -!- stagnate has quit [Client Quit] 16:56 -!- stagnate has joined #hardfought 16:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Bar Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:8191 17:00 Yea, I've noticed 3.7 monsters are trigger happy with ?oTele 17:02 [hdf-us] [xnh] every (Cav Hum Mal Neu), 16062 points, T:12099, killed by a gargoyle 17:02 -!- CRISPR has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:03 [hdf-us] [evil] squishy (Val Hum Fem Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3062 (0:18:47) 17:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Bar Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:9070 17:04 [hdf-us] [evil] squishy (Val Hum Fem Neu), 2229 points, T:3075, killed by a contaminated potion 17:04 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Mon Gia Fem Cha) had Angelslayer bestowed upon her by Huan Ti, on T:67366 (1 day, 20:25:41) 17:05 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Pri Hum Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5263 17:06 the trigger-happy ?oTele makes the gameplay more interesting in leprechaun halls, but I'm not sure about elsewhere 17:07 hm. i think it's caused by the monster being surrounded by other monsters, and triggering the i-need-to-escape routine 17:08 (as it doesn't have any place to move to) 17:09 I was considering that it was quite possibly a bug 17:09 it feels more like a bug than an intentional change 17:09 fwiw, if I were surrounded by 8 monsters, I'd want to escape too (even if they were friendly) 17:09 it was intentional change, but the being-surrounded triggering it isn't 17:10 it's supposed to trigger if hero blocks the monster with boulders of whatever 17:10 might need to rethink it 17:11 [hdf-us] [fh] Azure (justmobula) (Pri Hum Mal Law), 5088 points, T:232, killed by a jackal, while unconscious from rotten food 17:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] GrmlyFndsh (Val Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 helm of opposite alignment", got "a greased plumed helmet", on T:81619 17:20 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:2859 (0:38:42) 17:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] mikew999 (Rog Orc Mal Cha) chose a runed broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:1346 17:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] GrmlyFndsh (Val Hum Mal Neu) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:81629 17:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] GrmlyFndsh (Val Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 helm of opposite alignment", got "a greased helm of opposite alignment", on T:81633 17:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] GrmlyFndsh (Val Hum Mal Neu) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:81639 17:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] GrmlyFndsh (Val Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 helm of opposite alignment", got "a greased helm of opposite alignment", on T:82000 17:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] GrmlyFndsh (Val Hum Mal Neu) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:82166 17:25 [hdf-us] [ndnh] nabru (Ana Eth Fem Neu), 1923 points, T:864, killed by a parrot 17:25 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed the Nightmare, on T:25119 17:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Bar Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Sokoban bag of holding, on T:12107 17:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] GrmlyFndsh (Val Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 helm of opposite alignment", got "a greased helm of opposite alignment", on T:82250 17:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] GrmlyFndsh (Val Hum Mal Neu) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:82322 17:30 oh wow at that sequence of livelog messages 17:30 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Mon Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Lich, the Fiend of Earth, on T:25273 17:30 lol, lmao 17:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] jww (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1242 points, T:3774, killed by a hobbit, while fainted from lack of food 17:34 [hdf-us] [un] rericksn (Bar Hum Mal Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1851 (0:34:01) 17:35 -!- xdminsy has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Pri Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2750 17:40 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Kary, the Fiend of Fire, on T:25658 17:41 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:4396 (0:57:45) 17:41 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (gelatinous cubes), on T:4406 (0:58:25) 17:43 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Kraken, the Fiend of Water, on T:25905 17:48 !where GrmlyFndsh 17:48 !whereis GrmlyFndsh 17:48 ais523: [hdf-us] GrmlyFndsh [nh370]: (Val Hum Mal Neu) T:83220 The Dungeons of Doom level: 22 17:49 …wow, that wasn't even on Astral 17:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:69108 17:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:69108 17:49 [hdf-us] [un] lambda (Con Vam Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a vampire bat, on T:9546 (3:55:39) 17:49 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Tiamat, the Fiend of Wind, on T:26255 17:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:69131 17:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (2nd time), on T:69141 17:52 [hdf-au] [nh370] misanthrope (Bar Orc Mal Cha) stole 3913 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Terwen's jewelers, on T:14874 17:52 [hdf-us] [un] lambda (Con Vam Fem Cha), 9120 points, T:10384, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted mumak, while fainted from lack of food 17:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:69286 17:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:69293 17:57 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Val Gia Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:8906 (3:42:12) 17:58 [hdf-us] [hackm] Ardub (Bar Gia Fem Neu) killed the invisible Mephistopheles, on T:51060 (1 day, 0:53:43) 18:03 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Val Gia Fem Neu) had a dagger entrusted to her by Odin, on T:9114 (3:47:56) 18:06 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 18:12 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1049 points, T:2426, killed by a fire ant 18:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) entered the Elemental Planes, on T:69664 18:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) entered Plane of Earth, on T:69664 18:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (3rd time), on T:69664 18:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 0 points, T:5, killed by kicking a wall 18:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) entered Plane of Air, on T:69722 18:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) entered Plane of Fire, on T:69761 18:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) entered Plane of Water, on T:69806 18:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) entered the Astral Plane, on T:69840 18:28 hmm, watching oh6 and I suspect this is a pacifist game – I'm rooting for you! 18:29 ah no, probably not pacifist given the quivered trice egg 18:29 just dramatic Astral strategies 18:29 still rooting for you :-) 18:31 !8ball should I have a beer? 18:31 nabru: Most likely 18:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) found Frost Brand on the floor, on T:69955 18:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) genocided arch-liches, on T:69956 18:33 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Val Gia Fem Neu), 13461 points, T:9413, killed by an elder minotaur 18:33 gg 18:33 gg 18:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 3305854 points, T:69972, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/o/oh6/nethack/dumplog/1702137459.nh.html 18:34 gg 18:35 that magic whistle at the end was hilarious 18:35 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 18:35 another thing that I find interesting about that game was that it was clearly planned out and super-prepared, and yet it was under 70k turns 18:36 thanks, gg 18:36 wait a minute 18:36 thanks, nabru! 18:38 looks like most wins are still on -90 18:38 the main wrinkle in this game is that I was going wishless, as I always do if no throne or potion or random WoW turns up 18:38 I consider going wishless if I already have most of an asc kit by the Castle 18:39 I did wishless polypileless in this year's TNNT (although obviously that had a little help from the swap chet) 18:39 * chest 18:39 I am too focused on getting resources to pass up thrones, is the main thing 18:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] stagnate (Cav Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Sokoban bag of holding, on T:18576 18:40 I generally decide on conducts to follow mid-game, if at all 18:40 that's how the BoHless ascension at TNNT came about 18:41 dang 18:41 I'd been going without a BoH for so long I decided I'd just continue – it isn't hard, just time-consuming, and I'd consumed much of the time already 18:41 I have done that once, I think 18:41 with a Valkyrie, which made it interesting 18:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2951 18:43 but what I actually came to the chat window for was to comment that this is the brokest tourist I've ever played 18:43 $67, after picking up gold in the starting room 18:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] mikew999 (Rog Orc Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:4564 18:43 wow that's broke 18:44 bear in mind that you'll be on -94 now, there were some fairly big balance changes to the game 18:45 oh yeah? 18:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a crude dagger on an altar, on T:3399 18:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) became literate by reading a book, on T:3401 18:48 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:48 oh6: hp regeneration is slightly faster early and much slower late; food is rarer; potions of healing are much more common and have a unique price; there are extra chests early and some of them contain items useful in the early game (and some of them don't and are just random chests) 18:49 -!- crunchbubba has joined #hardfought 18:54 aha 18:54 -!- Demo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:55 is there a rationale for the hp regen change? 18:55 I mean, in-universe, I can see the game balance reason 18:55 well, the old formula had a big corner at xlvl 11 where the regen rate suddenly shot up for no obvious reason 18:56 a graph of it was a slowly increasing line, curved slightly downwards, then a sharp corner where it shot upwards for a bit, then started curving downwards again but continued growing much faster 18:56 it didn't make a whole lot of flavour sense, and in fact part of the reason we were initially looking at the HP regeneration formula was to smooth it out a bit and make it less arbitrary 18:57 oh! another big change is that the ground in Gehennom is somewhat dangerous to potions now (in addition to making flavour sense, this was mostly intended to allow monsters to use potions without having them all be stolen by the player if the monster got oneshot before it could use them) 18:58 oh yeah, I ran into that in my last game - the potion heating up on the hot ground 18:59 prior to the change, you got flooded with healing potions late-game because monsters would spawn with them and then die before you could use them, and it kind-of threw off the late-game balance 18:59 it does obey flavour-sense rules, e.g. if the potion doesn't land on the ground, or the ground isn't hot for some reason, the potion will be OK 18:59 preventing alchemizing full healing also helps with that 18:59 well, it's still possible, just the yields are lower 18:59 well, as easily 18:59 right 19:00 3-8 if the source potion is undiluted (i.e. generated as extra healing) and 2 if the source potion is diluted (e.g. alchemised extra healing that was originally healing) 19:00 just something to keep in mind - at the time I was going for gain ability I think, which wouldn't have deterred me much 19:01 I think it's OK for people to be able to alchemize some healing potions, I did it in all my test games – but there is a difference between alchemising 10 potions and 40 19:02 YANI: which reminds me, I've been meaning to add a way to clue unspoiled players in to the alchemy recipes; I was considering adding a theme room which had an engraving explaining one recipe, so that unspoiled players would eventually gather the recipes over time (or at least the more important ones) 19:02 I wonder how it compares to the evilhack approach in practice 19:04 hmm, just rumours about dipping potions might be enough to get them on track 19:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Pri Elf Fem Cha) made her first wish - "Blessed Fixed Greased +3 Gray Dragon Scale Mail", got "a blessed greased gray dragon scale mail", on T:6260 19:04 I need to go over the true rumor list at some point, making sure they're all still true and adding more to fit with the current mechanics 19:04 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 19:04 <01-MTF (buff sever) [@voxofchocolates]> gotcha, lookin into it 19:04 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 19:04 I was wondering about that also :) 19:04 would help unspoiled players, and also players who think they're spoiled but haven't kept up with the changes (and decide to read rumors for some reason) 19:05 there are still a lot of rumors about Elbereth, which I think should probably be kept because it still works (but I'm hoping to make it less of a major factor over time) 19:05 a knockback rumour would be a good idea I think 19:05 I wonder how it compares to the evilhack approach in practice <--- evilhack doesnt change alchemy 19:06 many potions when diluted have a lesser effect though 19:06 seeing Elbereth-spam bots play was really eye-opening (i.e. actual bots designed to play NetHack rather than humans, relying on E spam as their major strategy, because bots don't get bored with E-spamming) 19:06 <01-MTF (buff sever) [@voxofchocolates]> looks like we're back 19:06 you need a lot of gain ability potions to reach 18/** str 19:06 noo, but I thought diluted potions weren't as good as full strength? 19:06 welcome back MTF 19:06 <01-MTF (buff sever) [@voxofchocolates]> o/ 19:06 oh6, that's what he said 19:06 yeah it came back after after you said you'd look into it 19:06 * K2 slaps rld around a bit with a large trout 19:06 oops derp 19:06 does dipping water into holy water produce diluted holy water? arguably it should 19:07 yeah but what would that achieve 19:07 holy water is just blessed water, and you can't have diluted water 19:07 or diluted holiness 19:07 also what version was this E-spam in 19:07 no, but you can have diluted holiness 19:07 Umbire: 3.4.3 for the bots 19:07 um what? 19:07 because it's pretty relatively balanced atm 19:07 diluted holiness? hah 19:08 they may have been an indirect factor behind the E nerfs in the first place 19:08 I prefer the dnethack approach of diminishing returns for max HP gain 19:08 'indirect' lol 19:08 I mean dnh does have consecrated vs. holy 19:08 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Mon Gia Fem Cha) killed the invisible Lolth, on T:70147 (1 day, 22:29:49) 19:08 as in, the bots opened the playerbase's eyes as a whole to just how degenerate E-spamming *everywhere* could be 19:08 -!- viryanah has joined #hardfought 19:08 Noisytoot sporkhack does that too, you cant just quaff healing potions for massive gains, at a certain point there's a cut off 19:08 and then, the playerbase being aware made the devs aware 19:08 i didnt add that to evilhack because honestly, you sometimes need all the hp you can get 19:09 AceHack was designed at around that time period and, based on the Interhack principle, made E-spamming efficient and easy 19:09 which subsequently turned out to not be the greatest of ideas :-D 19:09 K2: Noisytoot: I am thinking primarily of full healing for its healing effect rather than for the max HP boost 19:09 I think the old Elbereth behaviour was pretty hilarious,in so far as the game more or less had a "win" button that most people forgot to press 19:10 you should incorporate evilhack's approach to the e word - you cant write it until you've learned it 19:10 especially as you get the boost even if you use it for healing 19:10 K2: no, that is backwards 19:10 E is mostly there because some characters can't reliably survive the early game without it 19:10 false 19:10 so you are nerfing the important balance function and buffing the degenerate uses 19:11 nope not true 19:11 I don't know if late-game elbereth is degenerate in evilhack anyway 19:11 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Arasaka (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 1956 points, T:3383, killed by a wand 19:11 probably the opposite where it goes next to unused 19:11 Umbire: I would indeed expect it to be mostly unused 19:11 i'm looking at over 300 evilhack asc that say otherwise ais523 19:11 I don't know whether it *should* be mostly unused, if played by a theoretically perfect player 19:12 and in vanilal you'd need the e word even less 19:12 K2: the raw number of ascensions doesn't contradict anything I said 19:12 sure ok :) 19:12 it really doesn't tbh 19:12 being unable to reliably survive the early game does not mean being unable to ascend 19:12 I am willing to posit that the vanilla devs want it to be easier than evilhack 19:12 dnethack has multiple wards which work against different sets of monsters and need to be learned, but otherwise use 3.4.3 rules (you can attack while standing on them) 19:12 but gating Elbereth also doesn't really give any support to the 'degenerate' uses 19:13 oh6 it already is 19:13 oh6: I am willing to posit that *some* of the vanilla devs want it to be easier than evilhack, and I have no idea what the rest want :-D 19:13 heh 19:13 [hdf-us] [hackm] Ardub (Bar Gia Fem Neu) genocided eyes of fear and flame, on T:53001 (1 day, 2:08:54) 19:13 I don't think vanilla """should""" take the Evil approach but I do also think it might not need any real changing as is, at least not quite yet 19:13 Umbire: OK, not really "support" but rather "failure to nerf" 19:13 (and Elbereth only works vs orcs and Nazgul unless you are an elf, follower of an elf god, or follower of a holy drow god) 19:14 I am currently pretty happy with vanilla E in the sense of leaving it available as a defensive tool whilst removing the worst abuses 19:14 Evil's 3.6 based so the "degenerate" use cases more or less don't exist 19:14 ah, OK 19:14 how are there gods that aren't "holy" in dnethack? 19:14 dnh is very complex in regards to religion especially 19:15 gods have a holiness (holy/neutral/unholy) as well as an alignment, which defines things like whether or not they give a poison penalty or hate undead 19:15 dnh is basically "Slash'EM except that we put a huge amount of thought into how everything interacts with everything else and made a lot of complex interactions between systems, there's still a huge amount of stuff from disparate themese though" 19:15 and religion is one of those complex systems, except that it's even more complex than that 19:15 nethack in general is anachronistic so 19:15 ewww no 19:15 you're insulting dnethack 19:16 Umbire: right, more anachronism is not necessarily bad 19:16 at a point of "huge amount of thought" a variant also stops being SLASH'EM-like :B 19:16 that said they do pretty transparently take a lot of pages from cheung's book 19:16 well, one of the defining features of Slash'EM is how half-baked many of the mechanics are 19:16 but with more fidelity and a lot less "just because it's cool" 19:16 and dNetHack's defining feature is that it largely avoids that issue 19:16 whilst otherwise maintaining the same general style 19:17 (and a lot more "just because it's cool let's see how this would be accurately represented in the game") 19:17 slight tangent: I can't say E is useless in Evil either but having it gated until you learn it (Oracle, Mines' End, Soko, sometimes bones, etc.) teaches you a lot about maneuvering without 19:17 I've been reading lots of dNetHack spoilers recently, and decided that I personally probably wouldn't enjoy it much 19:17 there's a reason I used 1 Elbereth across 3 ascensions 19:17 for my purposes dnethack is a more-stuff variant for players who don't want to be tossed straight into the wilderness of bizarre mechanics in Slash'EM Extended 19:18 (not consecutive, but in general) 19:18 Umbire: I have been playing entirely E-less for the past year (possibly with the exception of some wizmode tests, unsure about that one) 19:18 regarding Elbereth I wouldn't be sad if it were just dropped entirely. it doesn't work in the age of wikis 19:18 what, making it something the player has to learn about...? 19:18 because I think the game would be better off being balanced around it not existing, and thus I play like that to get the balance info 19:18 oh6, neh it isn't just more stuff, there's a lot of ridiculously tight theming 19:19 aosdict: I think this is why it got added to the guidebook originally 19:19 everything's still very distinct from each other 19:19 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Arasaka (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 89 points, T:142, killed by a jackal 19:19 It's been long enough since I last played dnethack that it might be worth checking out again. I'm particularly interested in how drow work 19:20 the drow is another one of those ultra-complex things 19:20 (in a good sense) 19:20 dnh replicates a lot of the D&D matriarchal bent with all that entails 19:20 basically, most things in Slash'EM (/Extended) need a 1-line spoiler to understand, with the possible exception of Monk techniques 19:21 I do though like the idea of a dnethack-like ward system, primarily because you *do* learn them as you go and improve your character, rather than starting the game able to engrave a magic incantation that repels nearly everything 19:21 whereas most things in dNetHack need a 10-page spoiler to understand, and will reference other parts of the game that might also be relevant 19:21 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Arasaka (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 115 points, T:555, killed by a gecko 19:21 doesn't repels elves, humans and angels and you get a lot of elves from the midgame on, plus it's not always reliable 19:21 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Arasaka (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 0 points, T:7, zapped herself with a wand of lightning 19:22 yes, dnethack kind of assumes you're not trying to play unspoiled - I can't imagine how I'd learn binding rituals otherwise 19:22 in 3.4.3 elves were some of the most dangerous monsters precisely because they're somewhat numerous, intelligent, and E-immune 19:22 you cant lump slex in with slashem. the one is so far removed fromt the other 19:22 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Arasaka (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 63 points, T:90, killed by an arrow 19:22 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Arasaka (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 0 points, T:17, killed by a jackal 19:22 K2: indeed, but they do have some things in common 19:22 the thing is you also don't always need a lot of those spoilers, but there IS more than enough to fulfill the "takes years to see it all" aspects of things 19:23 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Arasaka (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 0 points, T:131, killed by a grid bug 19:23 [hdf-us] [xnh] Pux (Hea Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:17206 19:23 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Arasaka (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 0 points, T:135, killed by a grid bug 19:23 Demo did a pretty thorough run with, I think it was an eth barb? inc barb? 19:23 Idk 19:23 dnethack is fun, but there is a considerable learning curve 19:23 nabru said: 19:23 !ping 19:23 rld: Pong! 19:23 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Arasaka (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 57 points, T:67, killed by a fox 19:24 K2: you could say that about vanilla too, I guess :-D 19:24 heh 19:24 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Arasaka (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 4 points, T:56, killed by a kobold zombie 19:24 lemme rephrase: considerable elarning curve vs vanilla nethack 19:24 it's a difficult thing to thing about because for some players, the learning curve *is* the game 19:24 but I can well imagine that dNetHack is like that but more so 19:24 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Arasaka (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 50 points, T:72, killed by a sewer rat 19:24 a variant like sporkhack, you could jump right in and its the same for the most part 19:25 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Arasaka (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 2 points, T:89, killed by a grid bug 19:25 the differences are subtle 19:25 yeah certainly there is a trend towards "I've mastered all the parts of nethack I care to, I will go play something else now" 19:25 K2: I am expecting the recent changes to 3.7 to catch out a number of players who think they're spoiled (especially when 3.7 releases) 19:25 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Arasaka (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 24 points, T:56, killed by a goblin 19:25 Demo did a bar-eth speedrun and a bar-vam run explaining things (also not piercing the veil and doing only the law quest) 19:25 my dnethack asc, I had a seasoned dnh player guide me through various parts 19:26 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Arasaka (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 13 points, T:83, killed by a fox 19:26 ais523 yeah it will to some degree 19:26 aosdict: at some point early in my NetHack career I decided "I am happy with how far I've got, I will stop playing for a while and pick it back up again later" and that's exactly what happened 19:26 I think it already has 19:26 caught people out, I mean 19:26 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Arasaka (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 60 points, T:80, killed by a jackal 19:26 part of me wants to change 3.7 rapidly enough that the wiki editors miss half the changes and cause general mass confusion in the playerbase :-D 19:26 -!- el has quit [Quit: updates] 19:27 and part of me wants to update the wiki myself, not about 3.7 changes but about strategy more generally 19:27 so what you're doing already? 19:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 782 points, T:993, killed by a jackal 19:27 the players that frequent hardfought will be fine. its the NAO only crown that will be in for a rude awakening 19:27 *crowd 19:27 Umbire: like that but more so 19:27 I mean I wouldn't appreciate that in general but also it's not like you'd have to try particularly hard 19:27 with how surprisingly bare coverage is in some areas 19:27 fwiw I think it would be a bad idea 19:27 sometimes ideas are bad but tempting 19:28 there are quite a few articles still stuck on 3.4.3 19:28 well aware 19:28 but I find that hard to update pre-3.7-release because I am much more spoiled on 3.7 than I am on 3.6 19:28 and most people don't edit as frequently/constantly as, say, me 19:28 I'm not sure I even have a copy of the 3.6 source on my own computer 19:28 I do 19:29 been using github to update source citations as well 19:29 -!- el has joined #hardfought 19:29 if you have a clone of the git repository you do 19:29 only recently saved a local copy for my own perusal 19:29 partly to make grepping easier, mostly to experiment with patching et. al. 19:29 Noisytoot: well, my computer can reconstruct it from the git repo, but I'm not sure it *has* reconstructed it from the git rep 19:29 * repo 19:30 (also I pull from the devteam repo rather than the public one, but they're the same most of the time, the only difference is that I get changes a few hours earlier) 19:31 -!- stagnate has quit [Quit: Client closed] 19:34 Noisytoot: was this a stream or tyyrec? 19:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] mikew999 (Rog Orc Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 4 daggers on an altar, on T:6821 19:34 Full on video, Demo'll give you the ttyrec/YT link if you ask I'm sure 19:35 oh6: video with narration added later for the speedrun, done at the same time (I think) for the other one 19:35 neat 19:35 -!- stagnate has joined #hardfought 19:37 speedrun: https://invidious.fdn.fr/watch?v=_uSTbtJ4MP0, minimal complexity run: https://invidious.fdn.fr/watch?v=HuuAoVbvt2M 19:38 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:40 I have been wondering about a way to add sound to terminals/ttyrecs, not high-quality, but enough to understand the words 19:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Tou Hum Fem Neu) hit with a wielded weapon (runed dagger) for the first time, on T:3096 19:40 so that you could have ttyrecs with audio commentary 19:40 but I didn't really find a good way to do it 19:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Tou Hum Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:3402 19:44 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Orc Fem Cha) became literate by engraving "E", on T:3223 (0:19:46) 19:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 2328 points, T:4296, killed by a giant ant 19:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 21 points, T:155, killed by a goblin 19:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 3 points, T:41, killed by a boiling potion 19:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] jww (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 547 points, T:1572, killed by a small mimic 19:51 [hdf-us] [hackm] Ardub (Bar Gia Fem Neu) had Wallet of Perseus bestowed upon her by Crom, on T:54934 (1 day, 2:46:38) 19:54 hire Morgan Freeman to do the voice overs ais523 19:55 it seems a little expensive to implement that into everyone's terminal? 19:56 I guess the ideal would be to use a standard video container and audio format, and teach the video players how to decode ttyrecs 19:56 actually, Jettyplay's video encoder isn't too far from that, I wonder how big the resulting video files would be (unfortunately, probably much bigger than the ttyrec) 19:57 -!- Loggers_VIII has joined #hardfought 19:57 but... Morgan Freeman 19:57 -!- rebatela has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 2519 points, T:2233, killed by a rothe 19:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:4279 19:58 !ping 19:58 Loggers_VIII: Pong! 20:00 wtf paying has a menu now 20:01 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 4156 points, T:5018, killed by a mountain dwarf, while praying 20:01 I saw that change go in, but did my testing on a commit prior to it, so I actually don't know what it looks like 20:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a scroll labeled GHOTI on an altar, on T:4471 20:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] stagnate (Cav Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:22352 20:01 it's kid of nice 20:01 *kind of 20:02 I wish you could name your pets.  I always keep a bunch around because I like animals but it's hard to figure out which one is hungry and then throw food to the right one. 20:02 ab 20:02 my guess is that it would be an improvement, but I don't know that from personal experience 20:02 stagnate, you... can? 20:02 stagnate: you can, C and choose the option to name a monster 20:02 you can name pets lol 20:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Tou Hum Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1225 20:03 I guess I could have searched for that info :D Thanks 20:03 oh well, at least this was an easy feature request to resolve :-) 20:03 you can also do it from the #name popup if you press m 20:03 Loggers_VIII: C is the #name popup, just easier to type 20:03 speaking of bad/bare/lazy articles, working on the ring of invisibility 20:03 I guess it's kind of obvious since your pets start with a name. 20:04 don't worry, I've got 17 difficult feature requests I've got up my sleeve 20:04 saving them for a rainy day 20:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] mikew999 (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 4857 points, T:9164, died of starvation, while fainted 20:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 1115 points, T:1321, killed by a snake, while frozen by a potion 20:04 OK, this is happening more often than I espected 20:04 !lastgame mikew999 20:04 ais523: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/m/mikew999/nethack/dumplog/1702675416.nh.html 20:04 good the people need to get better at food management 20:05 I'm hoping it's just a case of people being complacent based on earlier versions 20:06 oddly, there appears to be no god anger but negative luck 20:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 204 points, T:545, killed by a giant mimic 20:06 maybe they cannibalized something 20:06 Orc 20:06 could've killed a pet probably 20:07 do orcs not have cannibal penalty? 20:07 nope 20:07 never have 20:07 oh that's cool innit 20:07 that plus starting food + poison res makes hunger less of a concern early on 20:07 they encountered a bones level of someone else who starved 20:07 …which means one less level of food in the game, thinking about it logically 20:08 I have been commonly buying rations in Minetown in my test games, I think maybe we should force that possibility in order to ensure that enough food exists 20:09 there's already a food item every mines level, isn't there? I think it's fine as is 20:09 but, T:9164 and not reached Sokoban yet is pretty slow 20:09 [hdf-eu] [nh370] finitelycraig (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) genocided class h, on T:38748 20:09 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 20:09 I will keep monitoring 20:10 huh, way less mentions of the invis ring than I'd hoped 20:10 oh I made that up it's a food item on the level with the branch stairs 20:11 oh wow, looking at the deaths list, I found this: https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/M/MalkMcJorma/nethack/dumplog/1702368878.nh.txt 20:11 starvation death *in Gehennom* on -94 20:11 although there were 44 rations in the bag 20:11 so this at least was not -94's fault :-D 20:12 pff 20:12 44 is just an obscene amount of rations to be carrying 20:12 why carry that many if you're just going to starve to death anyway? 20:12 I've had games where I forgot to eat 20:13 was too busy fighting and only stopped because I was fainting 20:13 just put stop messages for being weak and it's not an issue 20:13 nabru: me too 20:13 Loggers_VIII: that was what I did after said game 20:13 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2113 (0:12:02) 20:13 pack rat moment 20:13 also, I've had games where I overate because I didn't want to eat in the heat of the battle 20:13 I've choked on dragons multiple times 20:13 ...and wraiths :P 20:13 NH4 changes the border color of the map/inventory windows when you're very low on HP or weak from hunger 20:14 I don't mind being interrupted mid-meal sometimes, if I get enough nutrition to 'safely' finish the fight 20:14 I still think choking on wraiths is bs 20:14 wafer thin mint! 20:14 @?gas spore 20:14 gas spore (e) | Lvl: 1 | Diff: 2 | Spd: 3 | Res: none | Confer: nothing | MR: 0 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 10 | Atk: 4d6 suicide explode physical | Align: 0 | genocidable, flies, breathless, mindless 20:14 I kind-of like Pokémon Mystery Dungeon's solution to warn you about imminent starvation: it does a force-More three turns in a row 20:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] Loggers (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 216 points, T:668, killed by a gas spore's explosion 20:15 very hard to miss because you're giving an input in between each --More---equivalent, so even if you're just mindlessly dismissing messages you'll notice something is wrong 20:15 (also, the message window changes border color, NH4-style – actually it helped inspire that feature) 20:15 a force-Tab would work about as well, though 20:16 ah dnethack has that window border thing too, very nice 20:17 I've had some people suggest that the color of your @ should change when injured – that would be helpful for the 80×24 players, but it messes with the UI in a way which many/most/all of the windowports don't anticipate 20:17 and might well be confusing 20:18 the HP bar and statuscolor settings make for a reasonable substitute, although I hate that they have to be configured manually rather than having sensible defaults 20:18 oh well, the distro maintainers and server admins will probably set up sensible defaults even if the devteam doesn't 20:19 the @ sign's highlight changes color in iNetHack2 depending on how damaged you are 20:20 it's helpful there since there's no hitpointbar available 20:20 Question about getting interrupted when eating.  If I continue to eat at satiated is it based on when I started to eat or when I resume?  ie could I choke if I was not satiated at the very begining? 20:20 I'm never sure and get annoyed when a minor mob that my pets can handle interrupts me eating a dragon on giant 20:20 stagnate: as long as the eating state hasn't been cleared, it's based on when you started 20:21 there are a few things that clear it but I can't remember what they are, they aren't very common though 20:21 got it 20:21 fighting is OK I think 20:22 the game will say "You resume eating" if it's using the same eating state 20:22 so you get a feel for what you can and can't do over time 20:24 it bothers me more than I should when people don't explore angles enough 20:24 mindset's written a lot of articles sadly 20:24 Umbire: what do you mean by "angles" here? just, all the possible aspects of an item? 20:24 yeah, lot of half-explored ideas scattered around 20:24 ^ 20:25 and not like, all, but "enough" 20:25 even after doing that, some items are just Bad but that's the breaks and more than fine with me 20:25 Umbire: oh, there's a missing {{upcoming}} on that related to the wand of make invisible 20:26 right, I'll grab it in a moment 20:26 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 1805 points, T:3714, killed by a giant ant 20:26 hmm, I guess i shouldn't have said that 20:26 shifting gears to worms 20:26 part of the fun of NetHack is the community piecing together new spoilers and strategy for the new version 20:26 I mean it's already on the wand article 20:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Pri Elf Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:11362 20:26 and it feels like I am ruining that if, as a devteam member, I help 20:26 resistance rings come to mind as items that just don't have much to be said. strategy: 'uhhhh you can wear this if you don't have x resistance I guess' 20:26 Loggers_VIII: you could probably write a dissertation on the ring of shock resistance 20:26 external resistances are about to come up a Lot 20:27 so 20:27 alright fair enough 20:27 put it on the list 20:27 in general, I think most of the really boring items had mechanical changes to make them less boring 20:27 also people'll do that regardless ais523, helping isn't gonna be killing anyway and this thing is still in development 20:27 thankfully 20:27 there are probably still a few left, though 20:27 Umbire: right 20:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] a1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered the Bigroom, on T:14829 20:28 yeah the boring items have largely been changed in 3.7 luckily 20:28 provided it's not like, a byte-by-byte complete spoiler :B 20:28 part of the issue is that I'm sort-of a NetHack dev, but also sort-of a NetHack player in the community 20:28 and one of the main things I told the rest of the devteam that I wanted to do was act as a sort of bridge 20:28 a version/commit update could also completely jettison a given current strategy as well 20:28 plus some boring monsters got changed too which is serendipitous and cool 20:28 I have often thought of you as a bit of a bridge ais 20:28 to start with, that was mostly just answering emails that weren't bug reports 20:28 (although, most of the emails we get *are* bug reports) 20:29 remember the white dragon scale mail meta that lasted for like 20:29 3 days tops 20:29 I don't remember that 20:29 what was that 20:29 the slow digestion shuffle :B 20:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 796 points, T:1104, killed by a dwarf 20:29 I'm half-joking to be clear 20:29 I feel like slow digestion is overrated 20:29 you're banished from this channel 20:29 it can be good in the early game, for some characters and some playstyles 20:30 slow digestion is the best extrinsic bar NONE 20:30 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Val Cen Fem Neu), 413 points, T:431, killed by a bugbear 20:30 Loggers_VIII: ? 20:30 ais523, and now it's gonna feel more necessary with food being scarce 20:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 51 points, T:259, killed by a jackal 20:30 feel like you're not usually gonna have too many rings to give slots to early game 20:30 early game you wear whatever you can find 20:31 but, some rings are still better than others 20:31 reflection is the true overrated extrinsic 20:31 I think it's overrated myself but still one of the better by far 20:31 Loggers_VIII: totally agree with that 20:31 lmao trying to butter him up I see 20:31 it is not even part of my standard asc kit for 3.7, although I will use it in the midgame if I have a source 20:32 and may use it as part of a travel load-out if I'm running one of those 20:32 black dragons are scary if you don't have it but that's it I think 20:32 I think it's balanced pretty well in the mid- and late-game 20:32 of course if you don't have MR or elemental resistances it's very good early 20:32 Loggers_VIII: I lost a shield to a black dragon a couple of games ago, no big deal, then I killed the dragon and ate it 20:32 it wasn't a valuable shield 20:33 but, T:9164 and not reached Sokoban yet is pretty slow 20:33 not if you do mines before sokoban 20:33 Noisytoot: this did minetown but not lower mines 20:33 yeah but if you don't wear a shield you lose your cloak and armor :( 20:33 for mine's end first it is about normal I think 20:34 Loggers_VIII: indeed, black dragons are more dangerous for characters who don't habitually wear shields 20:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] mgm7734 (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a human zombie, on T:6422 20:34 huh, my last uncontrolled polymorph (or maybe last-but-one?) I also became a zombie 20:35 I'm not really a shield guy, twoweaponing is almost always just better and the roles that can't twoweapon largely don't want shields either 20:35 it is not a terrible result to get from a polytrap – not a *good* result but it could be so much worse 20:35 do you raise friendly zombies 20:35 speak for yourself 20:35 Loggers_VIII: I generally do two-weapon but generally don't start it until post-Castle / post-black-dragon 20:35 shield of reflection is beautiful and sometimes on my mage valk ascension I'd swap back to shield even when I was in late game 20:36 for AC's sake 20:36 (was a small one) 20:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] mikew999 (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 6 points, T:174, killed by a sewer rat 20:36 I feel like priests should be good with shields but the only one they can really use is small shield 20:36 Umbire: huh, interesting 20:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Tou Hum Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1181 20:36 my nh4 ascension (which is closer to vanilla than other variants and logs things like entering dungeon levels unlike 3.6) reached sokoban at T:13233, and seems to have done that after minetown but before mine's end 20:36 it feels like individual points of AC don't matter that much late-game, but maybe they do 20:37 depends on how low your AC is 20:37 which, duh. but you know what I mean 20:37 Noisytoot: was there altar-camping involved? 20:37 mine wasn't too bad, but I tended to wear it while waiting for energy to recharge 20:37 K a 20:37 I think so, I got Magicbane before that 20:37 * I frequently get surprised at turncounts for various events, in both directions 20:37 even my own, sometimes 20:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] mgm7734 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 9144 points, T:6459, quit 20:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 1052 points, T:1319, killed by a bolt of fire zapped by a hill orc 20:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] Loggers (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 2375 points, T:1809, killed by a pony, while frozen by a floating eye's gaze 20:39 this is the only thing vanilla can kill me with past T 100 20:39 oh come on 20:39 I get frustrated at eyebumps even when it's a different player's game 20:39 (at the eyes, not at the player) 20:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 11973 points, T:8553, killed by a xan 20:39 dnethack reduces the duration of floating eye paralysis to 2d6 turns so it is not as stupidly long as vanilla 20:39 I suspect that, with respect to any floating eye changes, I am outvoted 20:40 Loggers_VIII, cap 20:40 there's a part of me that thinks they should be left unchanged because it's just so iconic but also it fucking sucks, to be frank 20:40 Noisytoot: I feel like a fairly evil floating eye change would be to make it so that the paralysis is short enough to be *usually* survivable, encouraging players to take the risk 20:40 I had a late-game eyebump a couple of ascensions ago – I survived the monsters, but almost starved 20:40 can't you already roll like 127 turns of para on one 20:40 -!- crunchbubba has quit [Quit: Client closed] 20:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 272 points, T:768, killed by an iguana, while frozen by a floating eye's gaze 20:41 very rarely 20:41 ? 20:41 there's another one 20:41 you can at least change the glyph to make them more visible in 3.7 20:41 oh, there was also an ascension where I accidentally attacked two different floating eyes, but oneshot both of them and so nothing bad happened 20:41 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] mikew999 (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 72 points, T:447, killed by a raven 20:41 (I'm not sure how though, options page documents 3.6 and nothing else) 20:41 I have literally starved to death while frozen by eyes 20:41 *options wiki page 20:41 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 20:41 don't ravens grudge floating eyes? so that's another eye-inspired death 20:42 that's a variant 20:42 I don't think vanilla has implemented any grudge patch stuff 20:42 right, UnNetHack I think 20:42 or multiple variants rather 20:42 not vanilla 20:42 aosdict, zombies 20:42 I think that's in nephi's grudge patch 20:42 even though xnh has made it really easy 20:42 but not vanilla 20:42 I think vanilla has one grudge related to undead 20:42 I even have a PR 20:42 at least, you get the noise of monsters fighting semi-often nowadays, whereas previously it always indicated a pet 20:43 aosdict: I implemented grudge patch stuff in NH4, but initially messed it up somehow 20:43 how late-game was the eyebump? 20:43 I don't have late-game eyebumps because I wear free action or have reflection by the late game 20:43 Noisytoot: the one where I got paralyzed and survived was post-castle, possibly even asc run 20:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 457 points, T:650, killed by falling down a mine shaft 20:43 I was being less careful than usual because I forgot I was going reflectionless 20:43 OK, I don't think I've ever seen that death message before 20:44 vanilla should do the thing from evil where you can detect monsters with telepathy without being blind if you also have telepathy 20:44 seen it pretty uncommonly since the fall damage change 20:44 caught a fair share of people 20:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 4 points, T:143, killed by a fox 20:45 I don't like that change because it makes it possible to instadie on dlvl1 from an unlucky shaft 20:45 actually, looking at the code, I think it is a bug 20:45 file it in the same section as magic traps I guess, search before moving or get pwned 20:46 but it will take me a while to be sure 20:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Tou Hum Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1752 20:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 2327 points, T:1802, killed by a gnome 20:49 not much going on with worms as a class, it's per monster where things get Weird™ 20:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 30 points, T:165, killed by a sewer rat 20:50 wow is this broken, the condition for taking damage for falling through a hole appears to be "fell exactly 1 level or dug through the floor" which makes no sense 20:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 19 points, T:51, killed by a kobold 20:50 that makes so little sense that I am going to wiztest it 20:50 long worms are a funny monster 20:50 -!- aosdict has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.0.5] 20:50 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:51 purple worms are pretty uninteresting except as a tool for instakilling other monsters 20:52 OK, I'm wrong, I took damage falling from 8 to 10 20:53 -!- Noisytoot has joined #hardfought 20:54 <[> also I hate 3.7 antimagic fields 20:54 <[> they're not as bad as they were (when they were instadeath), but permanent pw drain is stupid 20:54 permanent pw drain is stupid actually 20:55 it's almost as dumb as fire traps but you can negate fire traps 20:56 I had a big argument internally with myself about this 20:56 in my own head 20:56 I do think it's very stupid that an antimagic trap can be remembered by the character but doesn't show on the screen 20:56 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:56 and you can hit it multiple times and get permanently Pw drained multiple times 20:56 <[> vanilla needs paranoid trap 20:57 this is fixable by paranoid_confirmation:trap but not everyone wants ot use paranoid options 20:57 [: it has it 20:57 I don't especially hate it, even without considering they used to do next to nothing, but also more resources that improved energy might go some distance 20:57 I want to add NH4-style trap highlighting but it is hard to get the rest of the devteam on board 20:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] mgm7734 (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1769 20:58 (mostly for technical reasons – it would touch a huge amount of code) 20:58 <[> I want to implement paranoid trap for dnethack but I need to find a good way to do it that isn't annoying and doesn't leak info (so, for example, you get warned for a polytrap if and only if you are not immune and you know that you are not immune) 20:58 <[> (and preferably cases where you informally 100% know you are immune but not formally should be minimized) 20:59 [: NH4's/AceHack's rule is that you know you have a trinsic if you have it intrinsically, if you have formally identified a worn item that gives the extrinsic, or if your character is currently in a situation that proves the trinsic 20:59 (e.g. if you are currently standing on a water tile, you know you have water walking) 20:59 this has a few false negatives but is fairly non-annoying in practice 21:00 <[> Does it track from which item exactly you have an intrinsic? 21:00 intrinsics don't come from items, by definition 21:00 (except by eating them) 21:00 <[> I mean extrinsic 21:00 for extrinsics, the game knows which item they come from, but doesn't currently display that outside wizmode 21:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 2783 points, T:1835, killed by an ape 21:01 <[> dNetHack doesn't so paranoid_swim just lists all wwalking sources 21:02 actually NH4 might do that for water walking as a shortcut (there is only one source), i@dh ave to check 21:02 [hdf-us] [nh343] habib (Mon Hum Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:4557 21:03 oh, it just doesn't check for water walking at all :-D 21:03 which I guess makes sense particularly for lava 21:03 which is not necessarily safe to water-walk on even if the boots are IDed as fireproof 21:03 <[> for lava it should check for wwalking with fireproof boots and fire res 21:03 [: even with fireproof boots and fire res your inventory is at risk 21:04 <[> not in nh4/3.4.3/3.6 21:04 <[> in 3.7, yes 21:04 I'm pretty sure that's the case in 3.6 21:04 burnt up a scroll or two for no reason taking it out over lava 21:04 while on Plane of Fire 21:05 <[> when was that added then? 21:05 [: yes in 3.4.3 and NH4 21:06 I just checked NH4's code for it and it even has a bugfix 21:06 it's why you keep flammables in a bag if you're waterwalking over lava 21:06 although possibly for a latent bug 21:06 (3.4.3 will fire-damage dragon scales embedded in your skin, NH4 won't) 21:07 oh right, but in 3.4.3 and NH4, *intrinsic* fire res will protect items from lava damage 21:07 which is almost certainly a bug 21:07 that is probably what got changed 21:08 (in addition to, in 3.4.3 and NH4, water-walking over lava outright destroys fire-vulnerable items if you aren't fire-resistant, rather than damaging them) 21:08 oh, and then it unconditionally sets your HP to -1 21:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Pri Elf Fem Cha) rejected atheism by offering an orc-captain corpse on an altar of Moloch, on T:13704 21:09 ah, at the end of this function the regular item damage function is called 21:09 so the 3.4.3 logic is: if not fire-resistant, outright destroy all burnable items in your inventory and kill you, even if you have water walking 21:09 if you are fire-resistant, fire damage your items 21:10 and IIRC the former didn't have a special case for the Book of the Dead, so you could destroy it like that and make the game unwinnable (using lifesaving to survive the instadeath) 21:12 relatively little info-wise, but it looks like an actual article now 21:12 do wanna add a couple more variants though 21:12 oh, I missed a goto, so there is another case: if not fire-resistant but you have fireproof water-walking, take 6d6 damage, but don't have your inventory outright destroyed unless the damage kills you (you still take fire inventory damage though) 21:12 <[> in dnh it seems that intrinsic fire res protects you completely, else it will deal 6d6 damage and destroy fire-vulnerable items, with an exception for book of the dead (but not artifacts or other indestructible items, although none other than the book are fire-vulnerable) 21:13 Umbire: I keep looking at the variants section of articles in the hope that one of my variants would be there, but then remember I was intentionally close to 3.4.3 so that there's nothing to say 21:13 <[> so the same as in 3.4.3 without the bugfix 21:13 [: there's two destroy item loops in NH4 and presumably 3.4.3 21:13 I've been focusing the documentation autism on less explored stuff 21:13 the one that runs when you have fire res is hidden at the end of the function, just above the return statement 21:14 is that one there in dNetHack (the destroy_item calls)? 21:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Tou Hum Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2882 21:14 this is some of the most misleading code I've read, it looks so much like nothing happens if you have fire res, but actually something does 21:14 it caught me out the frist time 21:15 <[> boots are destroyed even if you have inventory fire res too (which does not exist in 3.4.3 but does in dnh) 21:15 it exists in 3.7 too 21:15 but yes, that's a new-to-3.7 thing 21:15 <[> in dnh it is 100%, in 3.7 it isn't (I think it is 99%) 21:16 "Your items are somewhat protected from fire" (90%) or "Your items are protected from fire" (99%) 21:16 <[> is 90% just the dwarvish cloak? 21:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Tou Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:3188 21:17 at present yes 21:17 How many wands of create monster do you go through sacrificing on your alter before deciding your god is ignoring you? 21:17 the enlightenment code is futureproofed to handle any 90% or 99% resistance, and the rest of the code to handle any percentage 21:17 <[> in dnh all extrinsic resistance sources (as well as spirits and thoughts) grant 100% inventory protection from the thing they protect against 21:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 4204 points, T:4668, killed by a snake 21:18 stagnate: it somewhat depends on depth – very small sacrifices won't fix luck and small-to-medium sacrifices won't fix god anger 21:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 50 points, T:5, killed by falling down a mine shaft 21:18 and the deeper you are, the more valuable the generated monsters will be as sacrifices 21:18 Pretty sure I'm maxed out on luck and god isn't angry. 21:18 <[> except even intrinsic disintegration resistance protects vs inventory damage from breath (as in vanilla), but even extrinsic disintegration resistance does not protect vs armor damage from disintegration beam and melee attacks 21:18 (ie I stopped seeing the clovers) 21:19 Then that's it, you have max luck 21:19 <[> (and disintegration disenchants until 0 AC/DR instead of destroying) 21:19 stagnate: oh, in that case it basically just depends on the number of artifacts that exist in the game, I think, and not on the value of the sacrifices 21:19 ^ 21:19 0 21:19 Sometimes it takes a while 21:19 because you don't have any rewards left but artifact gifts 21:19 <[> it is possible that you missed an artifact that got generated somewhere 21:19 one of the better SLASH'EM ideas was other boons for sacrifice 21:19 blessed weapons, minions, etc. 21:20 the best Slash'EM idea is its tiles port 21:20 Slash'EM tiles is so much better than NetHack tiles, and was a heavy inspiration behind NH4's tiles port 21:20 It's possible [.  We'll see. 21:24 alright that's that 21:24 low energy and in need of food besides 21:24 [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Kni Cen Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1978 (0:16:53) 21:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Tou Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed greased +3 silver dragon scale mail", got "a greased silver dragon scale mail", on T:4319 21:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) stole 15447 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Akranes' general store, on T:1167 21:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 414 points, T:1202, killed by a Kop Sergeant 21:27 @v? baby long worm 21:27 baby long worm (w) | Lvl: 5 | Diff: 6 | Spd: 3 | Res: none | Confer: nothing | MR: 0 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 5 | Atk: 1d4 bite physical | Align: 0 | genocidable, carnivore 21:27 @v? long worm 21:27 long worm (w) | Lvl: 9 | Diff: 10 | Spd: 3 | Res: none | Confer: nothing | MR: 10 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 5 | Atk: 2d4 bite physical | Align: 0 | genocidable, carnivore, oviparous 21:27 2d4 seems a bit low 21:28 for a difficulty 10 monster 21:28 it was apparently 1d4 once upon a time 21:28 it is, speed 3 too 21:28 or the long worm article has an error 21:28 it's outdated in general granted 21:28 @V?long worm 21:28 long worm (w) | Lvl: 8 | Diff: 9 | Spd: 3 | Res: none | Confer: nothing | MR: 10 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 5 | Atk: 1d4 bite physical | Align: 0 | genocidable, carnivore, oviparous 21:28 oh nope, it was exactly that 21:28 @V?baby long worm 21:28 baby long worm (w) | Lvl: 8 | Diff: 9 | Spd: 3 | Res: none | Confer: nothing | MR: 0 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 5 | Atk: 1d6 bite physical | Align: 0 | genocidable, carnivore 21:28 lmao wtf 21:28 why is it higher 21:29 @d?long worm 21:29 long worm (w) | Lvl: 8 | Diff: 9 | Spd: 12 | Res: none | Confer: nothing | MR: 10 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: Nat 5/Dodge 0/Prot 0 | Atk: 8d2 bite physical | Align: 0 | genocidable, carnivore, oviparous 21:29 I feel like the difficulty formula is putting too much emphasis on mlevel and not enough on the other stats 21:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Pri Elf Fem Cha) destroyed lurchy's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:14378 21:29 [hdf-us] [evil] latebear (Mon Hum Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:68170 (1 day, 2:41:51) 21:29 oh god and they made it speed 12 what the tits 21:30 seems to be emphasizing outmaneuvering it over anything 21:30 they're fine by the time they show up I fought a few 21:30 OK, so the only effect that monster damage has on the difficulty formula, is that for each attack a monster has that can deal 24 or more damage, it's +1 to difficulty 21:30 at the most casual glance 21:30 monster difficulty is fucked, yeah 21:31 so, e.g., a bat is difficulty 2; upgrade the attack to d8+20 (making it a bat from hell) and it is difficulty 3 21:31 dnh long worms also gain HP as they get time to move and create segments ig 21:32 ais523, dogshit 21:32 vanilla longworms gain HP with segments too don't they? 21:32 I've met some very tanky long worms 21:32 do they? 21:32 might be that I'm thinking of it as HP changing along with number of visible segments 21:32 I always assumed so since I met some really tanky ones 21:33 bats in Gehennom move at double speed – I am sort-of tempted to make them do d8+20 damage too, it's not like anyone would notice :-D 21:33 rather than say, HP given and segments slowly generate to match 21:33 I'm p. sure people would notice 21:33 esp. with the regen formula 21:33 Umbire: bats stop generating when the dl/xl average is 14 or higher 21:33 vamp bat forms though 21:34 this is almost inevitable for a character in Gehennom, meaning that they're as rare as woodchucks there 21:34 Loggers_VIII: I was thinking of bat the monster, not bird the monster class 21:34 oh just the generic 'bat' monster, I see 21:34 part of the reason why the bat-in-Gehennom special case is funny is that it basically never comes about in the first place 21:35 yani: add some sort of speedy gehennom bat with flame attacks 21:35 "demon bat" is about the best I can do for flavour on that one 21:35 * ais523 is reminded of HyperRogue's demon sharks 21:36 actual serious YANI: add some sort of lava-dwelling creature, now that so many gehennom levels have lava 21:37 magma serpent or something 21:37 the game has a few lava-lovers already, but I think they're whatever the lava equivalent of amphibious is 21:37 rather than being locked to the lava 21:38 English probably doesn't have a word for "lives both in and outside of lava" because it's not a situation that comes up often enough to need a word to describe 21:38 is that just, like, salamanders? 21:38 dnethack has some higher-level bats that can appear in gehennom 21:38 (although if this is just the "bat" monster that doesn't matter) 21:38 Loggers_VIII: salamanders and fire elementals (I just looked it up) 21:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Tou Hum Fem Neu) found Sunsword on the floor, on T:7283 21:39 oh, I never noticed fire elementals because they fly 21:39 incidentally, one of the few things that was ever actually implemented in the Evil Variant was to replace the giant bat with a "megabat", which had identical stats to a regular bat except that it had 1 million times as many hitpoints 21:39 (this was a parody of both bad game design and of DCSS) 21:40 [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Kni Cen Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a mithril crossbow bolt on an altar, on T:3492 (0:31:54) 21:40 [hdf-au] [nh370] misanthrope (Bar Orc Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed greased +2 gray dragon scale mail", got "a greased gray dragon scale mail", on T:16106 21:40 what's dcss do with bats 21:40 Loggers_VIII: it renamed "giant bat" to "megabat" 21:40 and this was a very controversial name change 21:40 the devs pointed out that a megabat is a type of bat in real life, and many players protested that they couldn't see why that mattere 21:40 * mattered 21:41 lol controversies in roguelike communites are so funny 21:41 (most of the time. sometimes they suck) 21:41 (especially as real-life megabats are often pretty small) 21:42 yeah I gotta say giant bat sounds better 21:42 megabat sounds like a dumb video game name for a bat, funnily enough 21:43 megabat[1/3]: A vault-defined {bat} with twice as much health. It is as big as a bat. Prior to 0.9, all bats were called megabats, prior to 0.8 megabats were called giant bats. 21:43 thank you Sequell 21:43 I was wondering how that was resolved 21:43 (learndb bot for DCSS, equivalent of Rodney for NetHack) 21:43 heh 21:44 rename long worms to megaworms 21:44 YASI: long worms have extra "o"s in "long", depending on just how long they are 21:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] a1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:17131 21:47 huh crysknives are pretty badass actually 21:48 crysknives are a good example of how giving a non-artifact weapon good stats isn't enough to actually get people to use it 21:48 (although I have been known to make the occasional wish for a katana) 21:49 crysknives are potentially good offhands 21:50 Noisytoot: won't they potentially unfix while trying to start two-weaponing? 21:50 it's only if it leaves your inventory apparently 21:50 because while they're in the offhand, prior to give the two-weapon command, you aren't wielding them 21:51 -!- Chris__ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:51 Loggers_VIII: what about containers? 21:51 isn't it only when it leaves your inventory, not when just unwielded? 21:51 you can put it in container without it poofing 21:51 unless the container leaves your inventory 21:51 what about nested containers? 21:51 idk wiztest it 21:52 man I was disillusioned into thinking crysknives were unpractical and silly by the anti-crysknife media 21:52 I thought they poofed if you unwielded them too 21:54 -!- crunchbubba has joined #hardfought 21:55 crysknives are possibly a good choice for artifactless healers 21:55 I did actually look through all the artifact flails in dNetHack to see if any might be a good fit for vanilla, but none of them were 21:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Tou Hum Fem Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:9867 21:56 I feel like the game would be more balanced if it had a decent artifact flail (maybe about on the same power level as Mjollnir – not something absolutely great, just decent) 21:57 [hdf-au] [nh370] misanthrope (Bar Orc Fem Cha) was bestowed with Cleaver by Set, on T:16778 21:57 I agree 21:58 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:6722 (1:32:01) 21:58 flails don't really lend themselves well to appearing as powerful artifacts in existing fiction 21:59 you could make Butcher from dnd 21:59 and maybe give it to yeenoghu if it doesn't generate elsewhere 22:00 [hdf-us] [slshm] wsx9000 (Wiz Dop Fem Cha), 472 points, T:1035, killed by contaminated water 22:00 Loggers_VIII: is that a D&D lore thing? 22:00 chaotic players need at least one more artifact anyway 22:01 I know some parts of D&D lore but not others 22:01 yes 22:01 it would fit nicely in with nethack, without having to worry about it being weird tonally 22:02 [hdf-us] [slshm] wsx9000 (Wiz Dop Fem Cha), 345 points, T:1544, killed by a kitten called Slappy 22:03 somewhat related, there's also an evil Loggers deep inside me who thinks most if not all non-aligned artifacts should be straight up removed 22:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Pri Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:15203 22:03 -!- Kevkat has joined #hardfought 22:07 [hdf-us] [evil] latebear (Mon Hum Fem Neu) used a forge to create Tempest, on T:69000 (1 day, 3:04:14) 22:10 [hdf-us] [slshm] wsx9000 (Wiz Dop Fem Cha), 1602 points, T:3487, killed by a cave spider 22:10 hmm, a flail with a small damage bonus but that confuses on hit seems interesting 22:10 although it might be too similar to Magicbaane 22:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] a1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Sokoban amulet of reflection, on T:19105 22:11 -!- a1 has joined #hardfought 22:11 eh, magicbane has a lot of other effects and never directly confuses 22:11 it stuns, but stun does surprisingly little to monsters 22:15 [hdf-us] [evil] Disruptor (Kni Cen Mal Cha), 8325 points, T:4468, poisoned by a giant spider 22:18 [hdf-us] [slshm] wsx9000 (Wiz Dop Fem Cha), 3319 points, T:1505, killed by a gnome lord 22:18 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping 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three-headed flail in dnethack is quite similar to butcher in evilhack 22:49 (both three-headed flails that can cause stunning wielded by yeenoghu) 22:49 also magicbane can cause confusion 22:51 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 1518 points, T:2229, quit 22:52 -!- terrapin has joined #hardfought 22:55 [hdf-us] [evil] latebear (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Tiamat, on T:69601 (1 day, 3:31:57) 22:55 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 187 points, T:747, killed by a bolt of cold 22:56 -!- fakepass has joined #hardfought 22:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] Laenetta (Sam Hum Mal Law), 2394 points, T:3701, killed by Jasmine; the shopkeeper 23:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] mikew999 (Rog Orc Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:4752 23:01 [hdf-au] [nh370] misanthrope (Bar Orc Fem Cha) destroyed rancat's ghost, the former Peregrinator, on T:19408 23:01 [hdf-au] [nh370] misanthrope (Bar Orc Fem Cha) found Mjollnir on the floor, on T:19409 23:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] OpticSugar (Arc Hum Mal Neu) hit with a wielded weapon (bullwhip) for the first time, on T:3272 23:02 oh, health food store 23:02 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:02 I noticed a new shkname, but there's a new shop so that makes sense 23:02 …I seem to be really sensitive to shknames lately 23:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 49992 points, T:21144, killed by a pyrolisk 23:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] mikew999 (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 3119 points, T:4953, killed by a rope golem 23:06 -!- Loggers_VIII has quit [Quit: Client closed] 23:08 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 826 points, T:1815, killed by a flind 23:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Laenetta (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2594 23:18 [hdf-us] [hackm] bouquet (Kni Cen Fem Cha) destroyed bouquet's ghost, the former Pawn, on T:3535 (0:34:01) 23:19 [hdf-eu] [evil] Imanity (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1411 (0:10:09) 23:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] OpticSugar (Arc Hum Mal Neu) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a 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