00:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] vor (Kni Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Knight (level 14), on T:21707 00:00 0:6 00:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] jonosmalls88 (Mon Hum Mal Law) destroyed vor's ghost, the former Student of Metals, on T:40742 00:01 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) genocided master mind flayers, on T:55357 (5:46:58) 00:05 [hdf-us] [evil] Loggers (Con Dro Mal Cha) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon him by Lolth, on T:56332 (5:50:32) 00:15 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law), 2141 points, T:2361, killed by a piranha 00:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] jonosmalls88 (Mon Hum Mal Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:41448 00:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] jonosmalls88 (Mon Hum Mal Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:41449 00:23 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Excess Flood] 00:24 -!- funknut has joined #hardfought 00:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] vor (Kni Hum Fem Law), 90740 points, T:22210, killed by invisible Ixoth, while moving through the air 00:24 <@Loggers_VIII> !lastgame vor 00:24 @Loggers_VIII: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/v/vor/nethack/dumplog/1689137492.nh.html 00:25 -!- Noisytoot has joined #hardfought 00:25 <@Loggers_VIII> ouch, ran out of food on the quest 00:26 they had food, just didn't eat it 00:27 <@Loggers_VIII> yeah, I should've said nutrition 00:29 that is a severe eating disorder! 00:30 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Rog Dro Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2323 (0:21:33) 00:32 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Rog Dro Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:2453 (0:23:16) 00:46 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:5137 (0:30:17) 00:47 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:5222 (0:31:24) 00:47 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Rog Dro Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3048 (0:32:28) 00:51 the comfort and reassurance of knowing there will always someone who'll fuck up worse 00:55 dunno, I've ducked up pretty badly in the past 00:58 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 3741 points, T:4487, zombified by a hobbit zombie 01:03 [hdf-us] [hackm] Ardub (Mon Cen Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a platinum amulet of reflection, on T:3800 (1:24:04) 01:03 [hdf-us] [ndnh] technillogue (Ana Eth Fem Neu) killed the Lady of Pain, on T:17540 01:08 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:08 [hdf-au] [nh370] UmberConductor (Ran Hum Mal Neu) murdered his faithful vampire, on T:61643 01:12 -!- Noisytoot has joined #hardfought 01:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:5728 01:30 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] vor (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 614 points, T:969, killed by Ms. Holmavik; the shopkeeper 01:41 [hdf-us] [hackm] Ardub (Mon Cen Mal Cha) performed his first annihilation (vampire mages), on T:5095 (2:01:54) 01:58 -!- hackemslashem2 has joined #hardfought 01:58 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v hackemslashem2] by ChanServ 02:06 -!- eggandhull has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:08 -!- joes has joined #hardfought 02:21 -!- hackemslashem2 is now known as hackemslashem 02:24 [hdf-au] [nh370] UmberConductor (Ran Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first item, on T:62937 02:24 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:44604 (15:38:09) 02:25 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:7024 (2:52:41) 02:27 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had a pair of leather gloves entrusted to her by Odin, on T:7126 (2:55:24) 02:30 -!- hackemslashem2 has joined #hardfought 02:30 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v hackemslashem2] by ChanServ 02:32 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 02:33 -!- hackemslashem has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:35 <@jonosmalls> I got disconnected from the server but my game is still in progress 02:35 <@jonosmalls> try to go back in get "shall i pick a race for you" 02:36 -!- Chris__ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:36 <@jonosmalls> but can see my game is still open in "watch games in progress" 02:36 <@jonosmalls> will it auto save/quit after being idle for too long? 02:36 <@jonosmalls> jonosmalls88 playing 3.7 02:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] vor (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) was bestowed with Magicbane by Anhur, on T:3167 02:38 VS found, save 02:38 jono I think you just wait for the game to autosave after the connection is idle long enough 02:38 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7757 (3:06:30) 02:40 <@jonosmalls> cool cool, i'll wait it out 02:41 [hdf-eu] [nh370] MalkMcJorma (Pri Elf Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping an uncursed soldier ant corpse on an altar, on T:21472 02:44 idle timeout is 30 minutes on hardfought 03:00 -!- cathartes has quit [Quit: fly away] 03:01 <@jonosmalls> back in, thanks! 03:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] vor (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:4852 03:16 <@fredriq> probably you 03:17 <@fredriq> sounds like a player monster that inadvertly polymorphed itself 03:17 <@fredriq> fiqhack do spawn player monsters, very rarely 03:18 <@fredriq> it has a gen rate of 1, and on top of that fail to generate 80% of the time 03:18 <@cpittman> 1. That's so mean. 😄 2. was I only saved because I was a valkyrie? Would other players have been genocided? 03:18 <@fredriq> you can't genocide playable roles or races 03:18 <@fredriq> but you can always genocide yourself 03:19 <@fredriq> the keyword here is "yourself" 03:19 <@fredriq> not "your player role/race" 03:19 <@cpittman> So monsters just waste the scrolls of genocide? Or do they ever pick something else? Does that show up in the list of creatures genocided? 03:20 <@fredriq> they can genocide pets 03:20 -!- arahael_ has joined #hardfought 03:20 <@fredriq> or things they grudge 03:20 <@cpittman> ah 03:20 <@fredriq> and confused-geno itself 03:20 <@fredriq> it can also revgeno tactically if it knows the scroll is cursed 03:21 <@fredriq> @cpittman there are very, very few items monsters don't use in fiqhack 03:22 <@fredriq> if a monster has reason to use an item 03:22 <@fredriq> they will 03:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] arthur (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:3160 03:24 <@fredriq> they don't use magic mapping or object detection because monsters already know map layouts, and don't have a proper way of storing object location knowledge 03:24 <@fredriq> they do use monster detection 03:24 <@fredriq> they don't use scrolls of earth, unlike vanilla 03:25 <@cpittman> Is that to prevent the player from accidentally getting trapped? 03:25 <@fredriq> the reasoning is as such: monsters use items to help them in some way. A scroll of earth annoys the player but doesn't give the monster any advantage whatsoever 03:25 <@fredriq> even marginally 03:26 <@fredriq> I couldn't think of a situation where a monster would find a scroll of earth useful 03:27 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 03:27 <@cpittman> Mobile fort, if they have ranged weapons. Isn't that one of the primary uses for players? 03:27 <@Loggers_VIII> if they're wearing a hard helmet maybe 03:28 <@fredriq> most monsters don't have the senses (telepathy etc) to make use of the mobile fort aspect 03:28 <@fredriq> also, unlike for players, scrolls of earth traps them 03:28 <@fredriq> since monsters aren't allowed to move boulders 03:29 <@fredriq> so it arguably puts monsters in more danger 03:30 <@fredriq> perhaps giants should be willing to use the scroll 03:30 <@fredriq> but the rest, not really 03:35 <@fredriq> @cpittman wrt monster genocide: every now and then I see monsters blessed-genocide @ 03:35 <@fredriq> it becomes rather dramatic message log-wise lol 03:35 <@cpittman> 😄 What's it say? 03:36 [hdf-us] [fh] cpittman (Mon Elf Mal Cha) received advice from The Oracle, on T:1925 03:36 <@fredriq> https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/m/malor/fiqhack/dumplog/2022-07-07%2006%3A17%3A02%2C%20malor-Sam-Hum-Mal-Law%2C%20ascended.txt you can see what happens if monsters genocide here (look at the genocide list) 03:37 <@fredriq> also that must have been quite a few beehives, if killer bees became extinct lol 03:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] vor (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:6442 03:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] VFD (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Enchantress (level 14), on T:34935 03:38 <@fredriq> @cpittman a ton of "Wiped out all X" messages 03:38 <@fredriq> then a ton of "you can't do that" for various nongenocideable stuff 03:41 <@fredriq> huh so Riders can read genocide 03:41 <@fredriq> so they can theoretically self-geno 03:41 <@fredriq> On T:63031 you let Death genocide class '@'. 03:42 <@fredriq> I guess that was somewhat appropriate 03:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] arthur (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3618 03:42 <@fredriq> hmm 03:43 <@fredriq> NetHack4's score breakdown allows you to figure out VS level 03:44 <@fredriq> 49 species genocided by you, 13 by monsters 03:44 <@fredriq> lots of genocides that game 03:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] arthur (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) ate for the first time - eucalyptus leaf, on T:3630 03:49 [hdf-eu] [nh370] xororand (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 613 points, T:1612, killed by a rabid rat 03:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] funknut (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 17 points, T:110, killed by a falling rock 03:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] jonosmalls88 (Mon Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:44059 03:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] jonosmalls88 (Mon Hum Mal Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:44061 04:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] jonosmalls88 (Mon Hum Mal Law) performed the invocation, on T:44219 04:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] VFD (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) found the Eye of the Aethiopica on the floor, on T:35969 04:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] VFD (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Dark One, on T:36010 04:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] VFD (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:36011 04:21 -!- Arseniy has joined #hardfought 04:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] funknut (Mon Hum Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (kobolds), on T:646 04:27 not sure what this means: If you're feeling particularly heretical, you can move orthogonally with the cursor keys (Up/Left/Down/Right) and diagonally using Home/End/PgDn/PgUp. This adds a new dimension to the movement command Holy War whose implications have not yet been discovered in practice. 04:28 isn't that the same as: Hopefully, the longstanding roguelike flamewar between using hjklyubn and 42867913 for movement should no longer be something the game has to be aware of. 04:30 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 04:32 <@cpittman> Is there a term for the opposite of shoplifting? My dog keeps picking up the pickaxe I leave outside of the store and then dropping it in the store? 04:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] jonosmalls88 (Mon Hum Mal Law) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:44708 04:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] jonosmalls88 (Mon Hum Mal Law) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:44709 04:34 gasp you've discovered reverse shoplifting 04:35 shopdropping 04:35 i've easily invested more time into nh4 menu options than most software, even games 04:37 menus with submenus under commands 04:40 <@cpittman> anselmus, I know you don't use colors (like a psycho), but do you use syntax highlighting? 04:40 about that 04:41 nh4 does not seem to offer no color 04:41 what's syntax highlighting 04:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] funknut (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 223 points, T:2015, killed by a jackal, while fainted from lack of food 04:43 <@cpittman> Not sure if you're joking, but when you're editing source code you can make the editor color-code key words. You might just call it something else 04:44 oh i'm not a coder 04:45 [hdf-us] [nh4] voop (funknut) (Sam Hum Fem Law), 1228 points, T:236, killed by a guard 04:47 struggling with interface is still 1000x better than being griefed by some variant bs 04:47 <@cpittman> I'm not either, but still interact with code semi-regularly. 04:47 [hdf-us] [4k] voop (funknut) (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) unlocked the Ranger role by using stairs, on T:224 04:49 <@cpittman> I was looking through the nh4 options, too, just in case you missed something but didn't see a way to turn off colors. 04:49 oh lol thanks 04:49 <@cpittman> Palette would be the obvious choice, but there's no custom option 04:50 i'll just bug ais tomorrow 04:52 <@cpittman> Wanting a monochrome interface is weird as hell, but it's your right as an American (eagle screech) 04:53 i admit i'm not a fan of the color scheme 04:53 tried playing around with it but doesn't seem to change much 04:54 [hdf-us] [4k] voop (funknut) (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1149 points, T:938, died of starvation, while fainted from lack of food 04:54 dark blue still looks pretty unreadable to me 04:54 <@cpittman> One weird thing I noticed about the palettes is the order you select them does affect the final result 04:55 <@cpittman> Oh, 100% agree, fuck dark blue. It's pretty much black on black. 04:55 oh minetown is brown because earth, that actually makes sense lol 04:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] jonosmalls88 (Mon Hum Mal Law) killed Orcus, on T:45262 04:57 i think i'm 99% satisfied at this point 05:03 <@cpittman> I use rxvt-unicode terminal, and the color scheme I use has light brown as a pinkish color so it makes the default colorscheme look a little weird https://0x0.st/HjB4.png 05:04 <@cpittman> I use nh4 to quickly change the palette for the terminal I want to play in 05:04 hehe that's possibly even worse than mine 05:06 <@cpittman> There's only a few instances I can think of where color is really important: pyrolisk, titan, olog-hai, green slime. Seeing a different color for those symbols really makes me slow down and think 05:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] Lly (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1532 points, T:3504, killed by a wand 05:08 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] vor (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Sokoban bag of holding, on T:11132 05:09 since floating eyes don't kill you in nh4 it's really mostly a cosmetic issue 05:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] Flench (Hea Gno Fem Neu) murdered her faithful pony, on T:11273 05:09 i really think monochrome has a certain depressing charm 05:10 <@cpittman> I could see that. But it'd have to be played on a monochrome CRT. 05:12 <@cpittman> Maybe with a tv in the background playing a Troma movie (company that made Toxic Avenger) 05:14 nh4 should look better than it does because it already has decgraphic enabled or whatever it is that makes walls smooth 05:15 but all the nh4 variants kinda have a garish neon look 05:17 <@cpittman> dark pastel kind of gives me an old crt feel. 05:21 <@cpittman> You made me go through all the different color palettes and now I hate all of them. 05:22 <@cpittman> I was fine with the ugly colors until you made me realize they were ugly 05:22 lol i'm not even sure now why cataclysm just looks better to me, maybe it's the black tiles: https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Cataclysm:_Dark_Days_Ahead#Media/File:Zombie_chase.png 05:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] jonosmalls88 (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered the Elemental Planes, on T:46497 05:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] jonosmalls88 (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered Plane of Earth, on T:46497 05:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] jonosmalls88 (Mon Hum Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (2nd time), on T:46497 05:25 jonosmalls88 is streaming on twitch btw 05:26 is that someone i should know 05:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] jonosmalls88 (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered Plane of Air, on T:46587 05:30 <@cpittman> No, but he just entered the planes, apparently. 05:32 -!- eggandhull has joined #hardfought 05:35 <@cpittman> I do like watching other people when they hit this stage 05:36 -!- eggandhull has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:36 seriously who needs this much customization: if you change the option settings using the o entry of the main menu, changes will persist into future games. (Changes to game options using the O command last for only the current game, although will survive past a save and reload.) There's also a new sort of option called a "birth option", which changes settings for newly started games; 05:38 [hdf-au] [hackm] Orcranger (Sam Hum Fem Law) destroyed the invisible Orcranger's ghost, the former Rogue, on T:15868 (8:54:19) 05:39 it's no fun when they're doing well :p 05:40 we need AI to tell us when a splat is likely 05:41 @cpittman many variants including vanilla now support custom colors. 05:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] jonosmalls88 (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered Plane of Fire, on T:46695 05:42 <@cpittman> Twitch is kind of genius. I grew up watching my friend's older brother playing video games that my family couldn't afford. So that's a key memory, but now kids are watching gamers just because they're good at games. 05:43 bold assumption that kids watch gamers because they are good :) 05:44 <@cpittman> ... That's good point... snorts G Fuel and orders cat ears off Amazon 05:44 you're already watching yourself when you play 05:44 -!- Arseniy has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 05:45 -!- Arseniy has joined #hardfought 05:45 I learn a lot more from players who are bad. but of course I'm watching for game design reasons:) 05:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] jonosmalls88 (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered Plane of Water, on T:46733 05:46 we need more of that guy who died on astral after using up 7 life savings 05:47 <@cpittman> @anselmus: me? 05:47 <@cpittman> 😄 05:48 <@cpittman> That game I had an excess of genocide scrolls so only the really bad monsters were left. I used up all 6-8 spare amulets of life saving trying to make it through the plane of air. 05:49 lol you too eh 05:50 <@cpittman> The worst part was after most of those amulets were gone I remembered I had another weapon that was more useful. Made it within a dozen squares of the portal 05:50 <@cpittman> All of the progress was after I switched weapons. 05:50 he was literally dying every 5 mins 05:51 -!- Arseniy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Lly (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) murdered Oedipa, his faithful kitten, on T:1143 05:51 not just world class bad, maybe once in a lifetime bad 05:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] Lly (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 316 points, T:1143, killed by a giant bat 05:53 i know you had some bad beats in june 05:53 we all did :p 05:53 [hdf-eu] [hackm] mobileuser (Sam Dwa Fem Law) wished for "magic marker", on T:49421 (1 day, 6:21:04) 05:54 oh now i remember your geno game 05:55 no one deserved that 05:55 <@cpittman> I might start streaming on Twitch, but it's pretty much going to be me looking off camera until I fall asleep 😄 05:56 <@cpittman> Nah, that game was all on me. I read warnings many years ago about removing easy monsters making the Summon Nasties worse 05:57 <@cpittman> a's are like mosquitos. They're annoying and serve no obvious purpose, but you still need them. 06:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] jonosmalls88 (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered the Astral Plane, on T:46807 06:00 <@cpittman> I know there's an emacs mode for nethack but I don't know anyone who uses it. 06:00 * anselmus still hasn't even watched a single tariru game except about 15 mins 06:01 or any of the so-called greats i supposedly admire 06:02 anselmus: watch luxidreams ESA speedrun 06:02 <@cpittman> You have a chance to watch this jonos dude 06:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] jonosmalls88 (Mon Hum Mal Law) killed Famine, on T:46819 06:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] jonosmalls88 (Mon Hum Mal Law) found Vorpal Blade carried by a monster, on T:46819 06:02 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06033CzBP7E 06:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] vor (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a piranha, on T:14139 06:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] jonosmalls88 (Mon Hum Mal Law) killed Famine (2nd time), on T:46829 06:05 every time i watch luxi i become less of a man 06:07 it is truly the greatest nethack achievement of all times 06:07 imo 06:07 @cpittman I got a patch once for making unnethack compatible with the emacs mode, so ... at least one programmer? 06:07 <@cpittman> Nah, dude, think of it like my Halfing in every D&D campaign. "I'm awesome because everyone I know is awesome." 06:08 <@cpittman> @bhaak. Yeah, but what do people use it for? 06:08 oh was that some sort of record game? the description was nonexistent 06:09 @cpittman playing nethack from within emacs 06:09 @cpittman it's basically another UI port 06:09 anselmus: it was a successful live speedrun with thousands of people watching 06:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] jonosmalls88 (Mon Hum Mal Law), 2572088 points, T:46843, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/j/jonosmalls88/nethack/dumplog/1688562135.nh.html 06:10 https://www.nongnu.org/nethack-el/nethack.png 06:10 given that nethack is not really marathonable that is truly amazing 06:10 <@cpittman> Yeah, but that's it? Like, I use emacs but not for playing nethack. 06:10 @cpittman that's why you don't understand. you are USING emacs. some people are LIVING in emacs. 06:10 <@cpittman> I thought there would be like secret key combos to play the game for you 06:11 you have all the power of emacs macros and programmability at your disposal 06:11 <@cpittman> I've never laughed harder before 7AM. Thank you. 06:11 stenno: ah thought maybe it was his sub 1 hr 06:11 he has dozens of those 06:12 wtf lol 06:12 what is the current record, 45 minutes? 06:12 like you could program that picking up a sack will put it at the w slot unless another container is already there, but if you pick up a non cursed BoH, it will move there instead. 06:13 00:49 on public server according to nhs 06:13 there are hooks and events, you could warn yourself if a floating eye is in the room 06:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 1294 points, T:3468, killed by a wand 06:13 nhs lists 9 sub-1h ascs by luxi 06:14 so maybe not dozens 06:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 10 points, T:65, killed by a grid bug 06:14 24 sub-1h10m ascs 06:14 i can't even get to minetown in 49 mins 06:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 36 points, T:436, killed by a jackal 06:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 75 points, T:267, killed by a fox 06:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 506 points, T:1603, killed by a gnome lord 06:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 61 points, T:207, killed by a sewer rat 06:24 <@cpittman> OMG TLDW the luxidream video: CLACK CLEACK CLICK CLEAK CLACK CKLAK CLAK 06:25 <@cpittman> The video itself is pretty good, but don't want to hear his keyboard 06:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 402 points, T:1714, killed by a gnome 06:29 [hdf-us] [nh343] docpi (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 19638 points, T:16000, died of starvation 06:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 248 points, T:769, killed by a bat 06:32 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 06:33 [hdf-eu] [hackm] mobileuser (Sam Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:49705 (1 day, 6:50:31) 06:34 [hdf-eu] [hackm] mobileuser (Sam Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:49713 (1 day, 6:51:12) 06:36 lol you could say that our games are lacking that sense of urgency/intensity 06:36 [hdf-eu] [hackm] mobileuser (Sam Dwa Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:49724 (1 day, 6:54:00) 06:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:7662 06:41 lack of urgency indeed 06:41 well said 06:42 <@cpittman> You just made me realize there was no reason to be all tensed up over some video. 06:42 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 06:42 <@cpittman> Real life Wisdom save 06:43 i experienced that run live, it was not good for me 06:43 <@cpittman> I was 110% invested in that video because the keyboard made it sound important. 06:43 couldn't handle the excitement 06:45 even he sounds excited lol 06:46 when we did some more casual speedrun battles, even only having 10 people watching just amplifies the pressure so much 06:46 at least it was that way for me 06:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Tou Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "fixed holy greased +3 gray dragon scale mail", got "a greased gray dragon scale mail", on T:2398 06:46 here, thousands of people were watching 06:49 if even one small child watches me and... 06:50 seriously, it really makes a difference 06:51 yes luxidream is great and i am shit 06:52 what else do you want :p 06:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) murdered his faithful kitten, on T:8507 06:53 -!- eggandhull has joined #hardfought 06:53 aand it is 4 am 06:53 -!- anselmus has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 06:53 bruh 06:55 -!- joes has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:57 -!- eggandhull has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:00 [hdf-eu] [nh370] MalkMcJorma (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:36381 07:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 22676 points, T:9418, killed by a water troll 07:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:6903 07:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Tou Hum Mal Neu) became literate by engraving "foo", on T:10482 07:08 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 07:10 [hdf-eu] [hackm] mobileuser (Sam Dwa Fem Law) killed the illithid high priestess of Moloch, on T:49943 (1 day, 7:19:46) 07:10 -!- krm26 has joined #hardfought 07:10 [hdf-eu] [hackm] mobileuser (Sam Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:49947 (1 day, 7:20:12) 07:12 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 07:21 [hdf-eu] [nh370] MalkMcJorma (Pri Elf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Curate (level 14), on T:37620 07:28 -!- eggandhull has joined #hardfought 07:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Lly (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 660 points, T:1801, killed by contaminated water 07:32 -!- eggandhull has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:33 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:36 -!- Noisytoot has joined #hardfought 07:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] VFD (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Sorceress (level 18), on T:40681 07:37 -!- Bleeko has joined #hardfought 07:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] VFD (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) genocided class L, on T:40723 07:41 -!- froggles has joined #hardfought 07:44 [hdf-eu] [nh370] finitelycraig (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 337 points, T:634, killed by a water moccasin 07:49 [hdf-eu] [hackm] mobileuser (Sam Dwa Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:51389 (1 day, 7:51:09) 07:52 [hdf-eu] [hackm] mobileuser (Sam Dwa Fem Law) annihilated mermaids, on T:51394 (1 day, 7:53:22) 07:53 [hdf-eu] [hackm] mobileuser (Sam Dwa Fem Law) annihilated giant squids, on T:51397 (1 day, 7:54:31) 07:56 [hdf-eu] [nh370] finitelycraig (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) was bestowed with Magicbane by Anhur, on T:4387 07:58 [hdf-eu] [nh370] finitelycraig (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) became literate by reading a book, on T:4823 08:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 2332 points, T:2347, killed by an owlbear, while praying 08:06 morning 08:06 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Val Gia Fem Law) destroyed Vecna, on T:107345 (1 day, 13:23:07) 08:08 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Val Gia Fem Law) genocided alhoons, on T:107380 (1 day, 13:24:43) 08:15 <@post163> morning K2 08:17 o/ 08:22 -!- fakepass has joined #hardfought 08:22 -!- nurdglaw has joined #hardfought 08:25 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Val Gia Fem Law) destroyed Kas, on T:108083 (1 day, 13:41:53) 08:25 -!- arahael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:26 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:27 -!- Noisytoot has joined #hardfought 08:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Flench (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:20079 08:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] Lly (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1811 points, T:3569, killed by a water moccasin 08:33 -!- arahael_ has joined #hardfought 08:35 [hdf-eu] [hackm] mobileuser (Sam Dwa Fem Law) killed Famine, on T:51665 (1 day, 8:31:39) 08:39 -!- arahael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:45 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:46 -!- arahael_ has joined #hardfought 08:49 [hdf-eu] [hackm] mobileuser (Sam Dwa Fem Law) put the invisible Death down for a little nap, on T:51717 (1 day, 8:41:51) 08:50 -!- Noisytoot has joined #hardfought 08:50 -!- arahael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:52 [hdf-eu] [hackm] mobileuser (Sam Dwa Fem Law), 4783499 points, T:51729, ascended 08:52 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/m/mobileuser/hackem/dumplog/1688735243.hackem.html 08:52 "You never abused your alignment" \o/ 08:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] VFD (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) genocided class h, on T:42795 08:55 grats! 08:55 thx! 08:55 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Kni Hum Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:17268 (3:58:06) 08:57 -!- arahael_ has joined #hardfought 08:59 -!- eggandhull has joined #hardfought 09:01 -!- joes has joined #hardfought 09:02 -!- arahael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:03 -!- eggandhull has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:03 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] Flench (Hea Gno Fem Neu) found Ogresmasher on the floor, on T:21712 09:09 -!- arahael_ has joined #hardfought 09:09 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Val Gia Fem Law) genocided master mind flayers, on T:109228 (1 day, 14:25:51) 09:10 -!- Noisytoot has joined #hardfought 09:13 -!- arahael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] Flench (Hea Gno Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed greased +2 gray dragon scale mail", got "a greased gray dragon scale mail", on T:21881 09:15 [hdf-us] [un] bismatum (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:111869 09:15 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (And-Ana And Fem Neu) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:2421 09:16 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Ana And Fem Neu), 13538 points, T:2447, killed by an invisible Woodland-elf 09:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] Lly (Bar Orc Fem Cha) murdered contestedsnow, her faithful kitten, on T:2437 09:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] Lly (Bar Orc Fem Cha) destroyed the invisible yolo's ghost, the former Skirmisher, on T:2456 09:19 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (And-Ana And Fem Neu) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:694 09:20 -!- arahael_ has joined #hardfought 09:20 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (And-Ana And Fem Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1097 09:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] Lly (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 1584 points, T:2523, killed by Ms. Kinnegad; the shopkeeper 09:23 -!- nurdglaw has quit [Quit: Client closed] 09:24 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Val Gia Fem Law) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:109514 (1 day, 14:40:49) 09:25 -!- arahael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:27 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Ana And Fem Neu), 16353 points, T:1740, killed by a hell hound pup 09:30 [hdf-eu] [nh370] playerb (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:6920 09:32 -!- arahael_ has joined #hardfought 09:33 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (And-Ana And Fem Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1008 09:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Tou Hum Mal Neu) destroyed samiam's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:11547 09:37 -!- arahael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:37 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (And-Ana And Fem Neu) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:1809 09:38 -!- arahael_ has joined #hardfought 09:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:504 09:42 -!- arahael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:44 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (And-Ana And Fem Neu) has already received their quest via sticky-note, on T:3500 09:46 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Ana And Fem Neu), 23711 points, T:3622, killed by a splash of acid 09:49 -!- arahael_ has joined #hardfought 09:50 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Kni Hum Mal Law) had a large shield entrusted to him by Lugh, on T:19836 (4:50:39) 09:52 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 09:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) averted death (killed by a dwarf), on T:1034 09:52 [hdf-eu] [nh370] xororand (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 185 points, T:956, killed by a gas spore's explosion 09:52 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:53 -!- Noisytoot has joined #hardfought 09:54 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 09:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1068 09:54 -!- arahael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 09:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] grey (Pri Elf Mal Cha) murdered contestedsnow, his faithful little dog, on T:345 09:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1663 points, T:1113, killed by a crossbow bolt 10:01 -!- arahael_ has joined #hardfought 10:05 -!- arahael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:07 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] mobius (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1023 points, T:2464, killed by a pony 10:11 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Val Gia Fem Law) wished for "blessed +3 dragonhide water walking boots", on T:110319 (1 day, 15:28:14) 10:12 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 10:12 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:12 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 10:13 -!- arahael_ has joined #hardfought 10:16 [hdf-eu] [xnh] breadmaster (Sam Hum Fem Law) was given Excalibur by the Lady of the Lake, on T:2078 10:18 -!- arahael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:19 -!- arahael_ has joined #hardfought 10:19 [hdf-eu] [nh370] xororand (Pri Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:4759 10:21 [hdf-us] [hackm] hothraxxa (Hea Gno Fem Neu) became literate by engraving "test", on T:4218 (1:13:10) 10:24 -!- arahael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:24 [hdf-us] [dnh] Jack (Hdr-Wiz Dro Mal Law) averted death, on T:82726 10:25 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (And-Ana And Fem Neu) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:1453 10:26 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 10:26 [hdf-us] [xnh] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1870 10:29 [hdf-eu] [xnh] breadmaster (Sam Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2764 10:30 -!- arahael_ has joined #hardfought 10:31 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Kni Hum Mal Law) made his first wish - "blessed +2 gray dragon scales", on T:23873 (5:31:52) 10:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 3 points, T:130, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 10:33 [hdf-us] [hackm] hothraxxa (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 1635 points, T:4972, killed by a hobbit 10:35 -!- arahael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:37 [hdf-us] [xnh] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) rejected atheism by consulting with the priestess of Ptah, on T:3006 10:40 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in] 10:40 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) destroyed the invisible xialg's ghost, the former Bachelor, on T:7633 (0:59:55) 10:40 attention developers: i propose some new death messages 10:40 killed by poor decision making 10:40 killed by lack of attention 10:40 killed by hubris 10:40 killed by one more hit syndrome 10:40 killed by Hubris 10:40 (the god) 10:40 killed by a typo 10:41 killed by yolo 10:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] Lly (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1948 points, T:2564, killed by an ogre 10:42 -!- arahael_ has joined #hardfought 10:42 [hdf-us] [xnh] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) consulted the Oracle, on T:3695 10:43 -!- froggles has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:44 -!- Noisytoot has joined #hardfought 10:45 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (And-Ana And Fem Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:4124 10:46 [hdf-us] [xnh] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:4000 10:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 915 points, T:1958, killed by a poisonous corpse 10:47 -!- arahael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:49 [hdf-eu] [spl] parasite (Kni Inf Nbn Cha), 110 points, T:1256, killed by an air elemental of Brigit 10:50 [hdf-us] [xnh] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:4700 10:50 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (And-Ana And Fem Neu) has already received their quest via sticky-note, on T:5727 10:53 -!- arahael_ has joined #hardfought 10:54 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of cold 10:54 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Kni Inf Nbn Cha), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 10:54 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Dra Dro Nbn Neu), 8 points, T:42, slipped while mounting a saddled baby violet dragon 10:54 [hdf-us] [hackm] hothraxxa (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 189 points, T:740, killed by a bone orcish spear 10:55 [hdf-us] [nh363] jonadab (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 460 points, T:3059, killed by a giant bat 10:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 0 points, T:131, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 10:56 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Val Gia Fem Law) killed Baalzebub, on T:112435 (1 day, 16:12:35) 10:58 -!- arahael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:59 -!- arahael_ has joined #hardfought 11:03 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (And-Ana And Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:8736 11:03 -!- eggandhull has joined #hardfought 11:04 -!- arahael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:05 [hdf-us] [xnh] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 9961 points, T:6737, killed by a gold golem 11:06 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (And-Ana And Fem Neu) killed the first wraithworm, on T:9243 11:09 -!- Sgeo has joined #hardfought 11:11 -!- arahael_ has joined #hardfought 11:16 -!- arahael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:17 @?salamander 11:17 salamander (:) | Lvl: 8 | Diff: 12 | Spd: 12 | Res: fire sleep | Confer: fire | MR: 0 | Gen: gehennom | AC: -1 | Atk: 2d8 weapon physical, 1d6 touch fire, 2d6 hug physical, 3d6 hug fire | Align: -9 | thick hide, poisonous, stalker, infravis, passes-bars 11:17 @e?salamander 11:17 salamander (:) | Lvl: 8 | Diff: 12 | Spd: 12 | Res: fire sleep | Confer: fire | MR: 0 | Gen: gehennom | AC: -1 | Atk: 2d8 weapon physical, 1d6 touch fire, 3d6 hug fire, 2d6 hug wrap | Align: -9 | thick hide, poisonous, stalker, infravis, passes-bars 11:20 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Kni Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:28065 (6:20:53) 11:20 [hdf-eu] [spl] parasite (Kni Dwa Mal Law) attained the rank of Bachelor, on T:3794 11:23 -!- arahael_ has joined #hardfought 11:25 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lor (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 1478 points, T:4248, killed by a jaguar 11:25 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 11:25 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of lightning 11:25 -!- ChrisANG has joined #hardfought 11:27 -!- arahael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:27 [hdf-us] [dnh] Jack (Hdr-Wiz Dro Mal Law) wished for "deep sea glyph", on T:83023 11:28 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:29 [hdf-eu] [nh370] xororand (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 4544 points, T:6432, killed by Ms. Njalindoeng; the shopkeeper 11:30 [hdf-eu] [spl] parasite (Kni Dwa Mal Law) signified by divine providence, was chosen to carry Excalibur, on T:5363 11:31 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:32 -!- Noisytoot has joined #hardfought 11:34 -!- arahael_ has joined #hardfought 11:35 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Val Gia Fem Law) killed Dispater, on T:113663 (1 day, 16:52:29) 11:39 -!- arahael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:40 [hdf-eu] [dnh] joes (Nob Hlf Mal Neu), 3800 points, T:3822, killed by a rabid rat 11:43 K2: impossible() in dnh on eu, this nick. Chris already informed 11:45 ok 11:45 do you need a recover? 11:46 -!- arahael_ has joined #hardfought 11:46 Looks like he got a weird fruit name during the end-of-game inventory display. 11:47 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 11:47 Not sure what's up with that. 11:48 does dnh have fruitname escaping like modern vanilla? 11:49 ? Sounds bad? 11:49 there were a few funny things you can do with fruitnames 11:49 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ChrisANG] by K2 11:49 I don't think I've changed the fruit code from how it was in 3.4.3. 11:50 ChrisANG if you register your irc nick i can auto voice you here :P 11:50 -!- arahael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:50 -!- mode/#hardfought [-v ChrisANG] by ChanServ 11:51 ChrisANG: i can leave bones with malicious fruitnames 11:51 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Ana And Fem Neu), 276261 points, T:20449, killed by a blast 11:51 not sure if that is relevant here though 11:51 K2: no, it was after death 11:51 alright 11:51 is it a buffer underflow? 11:51 * joes is a they 11:51 It's registered K2. I just usually don't bother signing in <_< 11:51 -ChanServ- ChrisANG is not registered. 11:51 -!- arahael_ has joined #hardfought 11:51 [hdf-us] [dnh] Jack (Hdr-Wiz Dro Mal Law) killed Hmnyw-Pharaoh, on T:83045 11:52 maybe it was on freenode but not here 11:52 I wonder what it would recover though 11:52 https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/commit/6399347d9fca80c8858d4c4c3db340cac1163c5e 11:52 It's registered via NickServ? 11:53 yes 11:53 hah maybe i messed up the command 11:53 i dont do this enough 11:54 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ChrisANG] by ChanServ 11:54 im glad we are on libera so i can have a cool og nick 11:54 -ChanServ- Flags +Vv were set on ChrisANG in #hardfought. 11:54 yeah i had it backwards 11:54 i used to have a channel cmds cheatsheet 11:54 dunno where it got off to 11:54 -!- ChrisANG is now known as Chris_ANG 11:55 [hdf-us] [nh343] docpi (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 978 points, T:766, killed by a guard 11:55 https://libera.chat/guides/channelmodes 11:56 thx 11:56 -!- Chris_ANG is now known as Chris__ANG 11:56 -!- Chris__ANG is now known as ChrisANG 11:56 :thubsup: 11:57 -!- arahael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:57 [hdf-us] [xnh] arrow (Ran Hum Fem Neu), 25188 points, T:18669, withered away 11:57 👍 11:59 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:01 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest3308 12:01 -!- Guest3308 has quit [Killed (cadmium.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 12:01 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 12:01 -!- oh7 has joined #hardfought 12:02 -!- Noisytoot has joined #hardfought 12:03 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:03 -!- oh7 is now known as oh6 12:04 -!- arahael_ has joined #hardfought 12:05 [hdf-eu] [slth] joes (Gla Dwa Mal Law), 4754 points, T:3660, killed by a rabid rabbit 12:09 -!- arahael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Tou Hum Mal Neu) was bestowed with Vorpal Blade by The Lady, on T:12523 12:14 [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 2879 points, T:3794, killed by a bolt of lightning 12:15 -!- arahael_ has joined #hardfought 12:17 -!- cebolla has joined #hardfought 12:18 [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered a shop, on T:1024 (0:03:30) 12:18 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Val Gia Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:114695 (1 day, 17:35:09) 12:18 [hdf-us] [nh343] discardedjoker (Val Dwa Fem Law), 43 points, T:338, killed by a sewer rat 12:19 -!- Noisytoot has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:19 [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1271 (0:04:54) 12:20 -!- arahael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:21 [hdf-us] [dnh] Jack (Hdr-Wiz Dro Mal Law) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:83292 12:27 -!- arahael_ has joined #hardfought 12:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Tou Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:15496 12:31 [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 1955 points, T:3298, killed by a fall onto poison spikes 12:32 -!- arahael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:33 -!- arahael_ has joined #hardfought 12:34 [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 180 points, T:524, killed by a small mimic 12:35 -!- Noisytoot has joined #hardfought 12:38 -!- arahael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:40 [hdf-us] [hackm] hothraxxa (Hea Gno Fem Neu) became literate by engraving "test", on T:3328 (1:22:02) 12:42 [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 158 points, T:648, killed by a jackal 12:45 -!- arahael_ has joined #hardfought 12:49 -!- arahael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:52 -!- Guest33 has joined #hardfought 12:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Tou Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:17076 12:54 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Val Gia Fem Law) destroyed the invisible Vlad the Impaler, on T:116321 (1 day, 18:10:40) 12:54 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Val Gia Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:116331 (1 day, 18:11:00) 12:55 [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:4711 (0:13:03) 12:56 [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:4764 (0:13:30) 12:56 -!- arahael_ has joined #hardfought 13:01 -!- arahael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:03 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:04 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 13:04 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Mon Hum Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:53663 13:05 -!- joes has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:08 -!- arahael_ has joined #hardfought 13:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 31677 points, T:19389, petrified by touching a cockatrice corpse bare-handed 13:11 [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:7899 (0:28:31) 13:12 -!- arahael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:18 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] Noisytoot (Bar Eth Mal Law) was given Giantslayer, on T:58682 13:18 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 13:19 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 13:19 -!- arahael_ has joined #hardfought 13:19 @?goblin 13:19 goblin (o) | Lvl: 0 | Diff: 1 | Spd: 6 | Res: none | Confer: nothing | MR: 0 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 10 | Atk: 1d4 weapon physical | Align: -3 | genocidable, omnivore, infravis 13:19 @x?goblin 13:19 goblin (o) | Lvl: 0 | Diff: 1 | Spd: 6 | Res: poison | Confer: nothing | MR: 0 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 10 | Atk: 1d4 weapon physical | Align: -3 | genocidable, omnivore, infravis 13:24 can normal liches use touch of death? 13:24 -!- arahael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:27 if high enough level yes 13:27 any spellcasting monster with ad_magm could 13:27 thanks 13:27 I don't have MR yet 13:27 I got to a level where there is a silver dragon and a gray dragon in a zoo 13:27 but there's a lich in another room that I think I'd have to pass to get there 13:28 for funnsies, give a gnomish wizard a bunch of potions of gain level and watch :P 13:28 I'm trying to figure out whether I should first try to get their scales the natural way, or burn my magic lamp in a wish 13:28 i would try for the drop first since you have the opportunity 13:28 Vanilla, right? 13:28 xnethack 13:29 Ah 13:29 this is assuming you're strong enough to take them on 13:29 What's your ranged options looking like? 13:29 well more importantly, do you have reflection? 13:29 no, I don't have reflection 13:29 ugh 13:29 and my ranged weapons are a stack of daggers 13:29 well, I just picked up a few attack wands from a barracks too 13:30 have conflict? 13:30 or cancellation wand to nix their breath attack? 13:30 no conflict. to give you a sense of my strength at the moment I was able to clear the barracks through direct, straight fighting in the room itself, but I was down to ~20% health at one point 13:30 I don't have cancellation either 13:30 ok 13:31 hmm that's a tough call 13:31 No sickness pot to poison the dagger with? 13:31 I don't think you can poison daggers in vanilla/xnh, can you? 13:31 daggers* 13:31 also, I am lawful 13:31 Not in vanilla, but I feel like it's possible in xnh 13:31 -!- arahael_ has 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75% of the way to expert 13:35 also STR because that's relevant to max range 13:35 that's... 2 for multishot? 13:36 -!- arahael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:37 yeah max 2. i'm wearing gop 13:37 -!- arahael_ has joined #hardfought 13:37 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 13:38 yeah it's p. possible to shoot down a lich with a bunch of +1 daggers 13:38 though, problem there is it'll aggravate monsters first chance it gets 13:38 [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 12158 points, T:10648, killed by an ettin mummy 13:38 what wands and potions do you have? 13:38 that's a good point. I was hoping to get to the dragons as they slept so I'd only have to fight one at a time 13:39 idk I have some wands of fire basically. and a bunch of potions I haven't IDed yet. I have 3 extra healing 13:39 oh I have a wand of teleportation too 13:40 Well not first chance, it'll spend turns becoming invisible and hasting itself 13:40 I also don't have see invisible 13:40 but that puts you on a clock 13:40 far as wands and potions 13:40 @?gray dragon 13:40 gray dragon (D) | Lvl: 15 | Diff: 20 | Spd: 9 | Res: magic | Confer: nothing | MR: 20 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: -1 | Atk: 4d6 breath magic missile, 3d8 bite physical, 1d4 claw physical, 1d4 claw physical | Align: 4 | genocidable, carnivore, flies, thick hide, oviparous, seeinvis 13:40 @x?gray dragon 13:40 gray dragon (D) | Lvl: 15 | Diff: 20 | Spd: 9 | Res: magic | Confer: nothing | MR: 20 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: -1 | Atk: 4d6 breath magic missile, 3d8 bite physical, 1d4 claw physical, 1d4 claw physical | Align: 4 | genocidable, carnivore, flies, thick hide, oviparous, seeinvis 13:41 hm, figured there'd be bigger changes by now 13:41 i probably have see invis somewhere and just haven't Ided it 13:41 in any case dragon MR score isn't spectacular but it exists 13:41 -!- anselmus has joined #hardfought 13:41 you could probably throw sickness at the silver dragon or use some other status potion to debilitate it 13:42 gray's not immune to elemental/sleep wands 13:42 -!- arahael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:42 [hdf-us] [xnh] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) stole 866 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Krnov's liquor emporium, on T:8030 13:43 -!- arahael_ has joined #hardfought 13:43 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 17268 points, T:8420, killed by a bolt of fire, while sleeping 13:44 <@Loggers_VIII> qt what dungeon level is this lich on 13:44 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Ana Hum Mal Neu), 263158 points, T:19127, killed by a Grey-elf, while sleeping 13:44 dlvl19 13:46 <@Loggers_VIII> doubt it'll be able to cast touch of death unless you're really high level for some reason 13:47 <@Loggers_VIII> if it aggravates the dragons just wait for them in a chokepoint with 3 extra healing should be ok to melee them? 13:47 I'm not high level, I'm xl10 (I think I was xl11 when I generated the level) 13:47 -!- arahael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:48 -!- arahael_ has joined #hardfought 13:49 [hdf-us] [xnh] dart (Tou Hum Mal Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping 31 darts on an altar, on T:4084 13:49 <@Loggers_VIII> from the wiki: "It is possible for a lich to be generated with a high enough level (16) to cast summon nasties; however, this will not happen in the Castle unless you reach it at a much higher experience level than normal." 13:49 <@Loggers_VIII> so I doubt you'll see touch of death either 13:50 that makes sense, thanks all of you for the advice 13:52 -!- oh7 has joined #hardfought 13:53 -!- arahael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:54 [hdf-us] [xnh] qt (Val Hum Fem Law) was bestowed with Mjollnir by Tyr, on T:17333 13:54 -!- oh6 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:54 -!- oh7 is now known as oh6 13:59 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed post163's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:12591 (5:09:14) 14:01 -!- arahael_ has joined #hardfought 14:03 [hdf-us] [xnh] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) consulted the Oracle, on T:9268 14:04 [hdf-us] [xnh] dart (Tou Hum Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:4229 14:06 -!- arahael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:07 -!- arahael_ has joined #hardfought 14:08 [hdf-us] [xnh] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:9909 14:08 [hdf-us] [xnh] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 874 points, T:536, killed by a bolt of cold zapped by a hobbit 14:09 also if this version of xnh is UPDATED updated then the dragons can probably send him hurtling as well 14:09 good point Umbire 14:09 it's easier to close into melee range on dragons in open areas rather than hallways 14:10 though twisty enough halls can also work in your favor 14:11 [hdf-us] [xnh] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (genetic engineers), on T:10131 14:11 [hdf-us] [xnh] dart (Tou Hum Mal Neu) hit with a wielded weapon (runed dagger named Sting) for the first time, on T:4365 14:12 think knight's move spacing'll come up often in both cases 14:13 I managed to kill the lich 14:13 I tried to lock him in a room and sneak past him but he was able to get out and corner me lol 14:13 but I got him 14:14 goodie 14:14 now the question is these dragons, they are not very close to the door so idk if I'll be able to get to them without waking them up 14:14 -!- arahael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:16 -!- arahael_ has joined #hardfought 14:16 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (And-Ana And Fem Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:472 14:17 stealth still lets you attack monsters without waking a zoo if you can OHKO t hem 14:17 question being "is there a convenient enough path of monsters you can reliably one-shot" 14:17 it's not supposed to in xnh actually 14:17 but a bad merge means it behaves like vanilla at the moment 14:17 right 14:19 man, idk if I can fight these dragons yet 14:19 a bacalackalathularium almost killed me just now 14:19 i survived only because i was invisible and was able to take it with daggers from a distance, but it got me to very low HP 14:21 -!- arahael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:22 baluchitherium is a pretty funny monste 14:22 r 14:23 it's some herbivorous dinosaur right? 14:23 <@Loggers_VIII> pretty sure it's like a prehistoric rhino 14:23 oh yeah I googled it now 14:24 what a big boy 14:24 https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2f/Patagotitan_vs_Mammals_Scale_Diagram_SVG_Steveoc86.svg/1280px-Patagotitan_vs_Mammals_Scale_Diagram_SVG_Steveoc86.svg.png 14:25 as tall as a giraffe -- wouldn't want to meet him in a dark alley 14:25 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:25 [hdf-us] [nh343] discardedjoker (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1432 points, T:3261, killed by a rothe, while fainted from lack of food 14:25 rld left in fear of the baluchitherium 14:25 [hdf-us] [xnh] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 22050 points, T:10579, killed by a winter wolf, while fainted from lack of food 14:25 fled instantly 14:25 in a panic 14:26 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 14:26 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 14:26 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (And-Ana And Fem Neu) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:2736 14:26 -!- mtf has joined #hardfought 14:26 is a baluchitherium a D&D monster or did it get added to nethack for some other reason? 14:26 [hdf-us] [xnh] dart (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 4044 points, T:5480, quit 14:27 I know there were various dinos in AD&D monster manual 14:27 https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Baluchitherium ah yes 14:28 page 8 of the 1st edition manual 14:28 YANI: baluchitherium should eat trees it comes across :) 14:28 -!- arahael_ has joined #hardfought 14:28 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:29 https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bd/Baluchitherium%2C_The_Largest_Land_mammal_at_Pakistan_Museum_of_Natural_History_%28PMNH%29.JPG/1280px-Baluchitherium%2C_The_Largest_Land_mammal_at_Pakistan_Museum_of_Natural_History_%28PMNH%29.JPG 14:29 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 554 points, T:1681, killed by a bone arrow 14:29 a lovely image from beautiful PAKISTAN 14:30 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 14:30 -!- Umbire has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:31 umbire left in fear of the baluchitherium of PAKISTAN 14:31 baluchitheria helped their digestion by eating rocks and drinking pepsi(tm) 14:31 fled instantly, in a panic 14:31 in a PAKISTANic 14:32 -!- mtf has quit [Quit: mtf] 14:33 -!- rld96 has joined #hardfought 14:33 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld96] by ChanServ 14:33 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:33 -!- arahael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:34 -!- arahael_ has joined #hardfought 14:35 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Val Gia Fem Law) wished for "blessed +3 dragonhide high boots of decay", on T:118477 (1 day, 19:51:38) 14:35 -!- rld96 has quit [Client Quit] 14:35 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 14:35 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 14:35 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 14:36 heh 14:37 -!- rld has quit [Client Quit] 14:37 -!- OlgaU_ has joined #hardfought 14:37 -!- b_jonas_ has joined #hardfought 14:37 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 14:37 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 14:37 -!- MTF has joined #hardfought 14:38 -!- honu_ has joined #hardfought 14:38 -!- oh7 has joined #hardfought 14:39 -!- arahael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:39 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:39 -!- oh7 is now known as oh6 14:40 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (And-Ana And Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased bag of holding", on T:4658 14:41 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 14:42 -!- theRaisse has quit [*.net *.split] 14:42 -!- qt has quit [*.net *.split] 14:42 -!- Menchers has quit [*.net *.split] 14:42 -!- b_jonas has quit [*.net *.split] 14:42 -!- honu has quit [*.net *.split] 14:42 -!- evh has quit [*.net *.split] 14:42 -!- OlgaU has quit [*.net *.split] 14:42 <@Umbyre (he/him)> sure do love to have my client explode for no discernable reason 14:42 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Val Gia Fem Law) genocided two random monsters from class R, on T:118607 (1 day, 19:58:54) 14:42 <@Umbyre (he/him)> seems there's netsplits as well 14:42 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Val Gia Fem Law) genocided green slimes, on T:118608 (1 day, 19:59:10) 14:42 -!- evh has joined #hardfought 14:45 [hdf-us] [nh343] docpi (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 2294 points, T:2258, killed by a giant ant 14:45 -!- arahael_ has joined #hardfought 14:47 [hdf-eu] [nh370] spontiff (Hea Gno Mal Neu) murdered his faithful large cat, on T:2151 14:48 -!- qt has joined #hardfought 14:48 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Ana And Fem Neu), 116228 points, T:5328, killed by a master lich 14:48 welcome back to my illustrious presence 14:50 -!- arahael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:51 -!- arahael_ has joined #hardfought 14:51 [hdf-eu] [nh370] playerb (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:9138 14:52 -!- Menchers has joined #hardfought 14:53 -!- oh7 has joined #hardfought 14:54 [hdf-us] [nh343] KaiHerd (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 2221 points, T:2128, killed by a flesh golem 14:54 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 14:54 -!- tommo has quit [Changing host] 14:54 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 14:54 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:54 -!- oh7 is now known as oh6 14:56 -!- arahael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:56 On Evilhack does https://nethackathon.org/annotate/ no longer apply? I'm Ch10 and seeing a wand with buy price 300. This is not in the Buy column. 14:57 -!- arahael_ has joined #hardfought 14:57 no you cant use the price id bit for evilhack 14:57 -!- tommo has quit [Client Quit] 14:57 racial shopkeepers are a thing and prices for things adjust based on your race vs theirs 14:58 [hdf-us] [nh343] discardedjoker (Val Dwa Fem Law), 908 points, T:2014, killed by an orc zombie, while frozen by a monster's gaze 14:58 see https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/EvilHack#Racial_shopkeepers 15:00 K2: thx, i guess i'll need to use that to manually price id 15:00 well hmm... the cheatsheet from nethackathon could work if say you were human and so was the shopkeepers 15:01 -s 15:01 -!- MTF has quit [Quit: Client closed] 15:01 that price adjustment matrix on the evilhack wiki page, if a cell is blank, then the cheatsheet *should* be valid. mostly 15:02 also bear in mind an objects material can also affect the price if it spawned with a material other than its normal material 15:02 -!- arahael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:03 or if an object spawned with an object property 15:03 lots of variables :) 15:04 aosdict, the q in Geryon's herds for xnh all generate peaceful, it looks like? 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16:17 [hdf-us] [xnh] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 16 points, T:96, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 16:18 [hdf-us] [xnh] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 50 points, T:84, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 16:18 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Dra Elf Fem Neu), 8 points, T:35, slipped while mounting a saddled baby blue dragon 16:19 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Ana And Fem Neu), 186500 points, T:10380, killed by a fire vortex, while frozen by a potion 16:20 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Kni Inf Nbn Cha), 103 points, T:151, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 16:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:73, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 16:20 [hdf-us] [un] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 106 points, T:68, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 16:21 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Dra Elf Mal Cha), 6 points, T:37, slipped while mounting a saddled baby green dragon 16:21 -!- arahael_ has joined #hardfought 16:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 3 points, T:20, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 16:21 [hdf-us] [hackm] post163 (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) murdered her faithful pseudodragon, on T:1 (0:00:03) 16:22 [hdf-us] [hackm] post163 (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 40 points, T:1, caught herself in her own ball of lightning 16:23 [hdf-us] [dnh] post163 (Kni Inc Mal Law), 39 points, T:130, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 16:24 -!- APic has joined #hardfought 16:26 -!- arahael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:27 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 16:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] MoonPig (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 3564 points, T:4122, killed by a giant ant 16:27 What should my first variant be? After ascending more than half of the roles in vanilla. 16:28 [hdf-us] [nh343] stagnate (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Yeenoghu, on T:98532 16:29 -!- APic has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:30 <@post163> !variant 16:30 @post163: nh363 16:31 xnethack seems to be one of the few that offers new stuff without attempting to be harder 16:34 thx. kind of want it to be harder. in vanilla once you get -15AC + MR + reflection you are kind of ascended 16:34 -!- arahael_ has joined #hardfought 16:35 eggandhull gets it 16:35 play evilhack 16:35 can liches get high-level enough without growing up into demi/master/arch-liches? <--- maybe. say you were already exp level 30 and a lich spawned. maybe 16:36 also if u press b you can startle them and they wont evolve 16:36 i'd need to test it 16:37 if you don't have a prob with cheap deaths, fiq or fourk will give you a taste 16:39 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] MoonPig (Kni Hum Fem Law) endured an absurd aquatic ceremony, and now wields Excalibur, on T:1970 16:39 -!- arahael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:39 evil/hackem of course is a 6 course meal in pain 16:41 -!- arahael_ has joined #hardfought 16:42 xnh is very much harder, also by definition 16:42 <@Loggers_VIII> evil is a 10 course meal in fun 16:42 though, not to evil levels 16:42 -!- APic has joined #hardfought 16:42 <@Loggers_VIII> xnh is a bit harder in gehennom but the rest of the game is relatively similar 16:43 Hack'EM I managed to make it to quest portal and XL 14 with Rogue in only a handful of tries, might've been able to take that to castle if I hadn't pushed too far before properly upgrading armor 16:43 Umbire: why do you say that 16:43 because that's what happened 16:44 only a handful lol 16:44 i mean how is xnh much harder 16:44 "very much harder" 16:44 i found it pretty much same as 36 except the 1 wish limit 16:44 as in harder than vanilla, particularly in Gehennom as logs indicated 16:44 lol there's multiple wands of wishing 16:45 yes i know 16:45 but yeah, FIQ/Fourk also change a fair amount about the base game such that it's wiser to read up on it beforehand 16:47 -!- arahael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:47 xnh isn't something I'd put on the level of evil/hack'em but despite probably closest to vanilla I wouldn't take it for granted 16:48 <@shadow_rider> it was much closer to vanilla before gehennom changes imo 16:48 well the point is there isn't something that's any easier 16:49 and i don't think he'd be interested in 343-based variants 16:49 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) completed Sokoban, acquiring a gold amulet of magic resistance, on T:16594 (2:06:33) 16:49 <@shadow_rider> acehack and nh4 enter the chat 16:49 <@shadow_rider> also gnollhack on normal difficulty :P 16:50 oh yeah haven't tried gnoll 16:50 <@shadow_rider> or standard or whatever it’s called 16:50 unnethack is also nice, has some extra challenges compared to vanilla 16:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] MoonPig (Kni Hum Fem Law) destroyed samiam's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:3164 16:52 343 based tho 16:52 <@Loggers_VIII> un isn't 343 based anymore 16:52 how can this be 16:53 lots of QoL additions 16:53 un rebased to 3.6? 16:53 or 3.7? 16:53 <@shadow_rider> anselmus i could be hugely off base but i feel like out of any variant gnoll might be one that you wouldn’t hate 16:53 <@shadow_rider> so long as you play a melee char 16:53 <@Loggers_VIII> I forget if it's 3.6 with some 3.7 changes or 3.7-based 16:53 <@post163> Don't be like me and play Gnollhack on grandmaster difficulty - at least not immediately. 16:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] MoonPig (Kni Hum Fem Law) found Grimtooth on the floor, on T:3533 16:53 When are you ever "due" for a sacrifice in vanilla? https://nethack-yanis.github.io/yanis/4402.html 16:53 yeah i was looking for something else to try 16:53 <@shadow_rider> 3.6 with elements of 3.7 16:54 <@shadow_rider> and some remnants of 343 16:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 16:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) became literate by naming Sting, on T:380 16:54 -!- disperse has joined #hardfought 16:54 i think i was put off because someone in our clan said it was really hard 16:54 Noisytoot: good question, you could ask NetSysFire what the intended meaning of that was 16:55 the variant page still lists un as 343 based fwiw 16:55 There's something like that with Infidels in Evil/Hack'EM 16:57 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Val Gia Fem Law) killed the invisible Demogorgon, on T:120286 (1 day, 20:27:25) 17:02 i was trying a dos rpg earlier which expects you to savescum and i think evil/hackem would probably work better in that model 17:03 sincerely doubt that 17:04 [hdf-eu] [nh370] nurdglaw (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 1250 points, T:3711, killed by a dwarf queen 17:04 -!- nurdglaw has joined #hardfought 17:05 <@Loggers_VIII> extremely confusing statement 17:05 i don't think permadeath itself has any inherent benefit 17:06 <@Loggers_VIII> waddahell 17:06 maybe it can teach you to play better, but if you die to circumstances beyond your control it doesn't serve any purpose 17:07 <@Loggers_VIII> I mean... evil/hackm don't really have any more unavoidable deaths than other variants I can think of 17:07 -!- disperse has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:07 <@Loggers_VIII> it's always the same classic poison instadeaths and wand stuff 17:07 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:07 ha i knew we would reopen this pandora's box 17:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] MoonPig (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:4781 17:08 "we"? 17:08 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 17:08 <@Loggers_VIII> no I'm not talking about poison instadeaths and wands again 17:08 "it's too hard" "no not if you play smaert" 17:08 the real secret is playing dumb 17:08 i will not elaborate 17:09 if there's a roguelike out there that doesnt have permadeath, its not actually a roguelike 17:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 2401 points, T:1913, killed by an orcish arrow 17:09 haha talk about a pandora's box 17:09 <@Loggers_VIII> also like... it's not too hard 17:09 <@Loggers_VIII> idk how else to say it I just think that if you dislike the difficulty of something don't play it 17:09 stop making me feel bad for being bad at nethack you son of a bitch!!! 17:09 lol qt 17:10 <@Loggers_VIII> pff 17:10 evilhack/hackem have vorpal jabberwocks 17:10 u r n00b f u cnt' play nethack!!!! 17:10 31337 n3th4ck 17:10 Noisytoot so does sporkhack/unnethack 17:10 qt: less a rebase, more like a merge of unnethack 5 with nethack 3.6 plus several 3.7 bits. there are still a few things that need to be ported over, like status hilites but of course I don't want to lose the unnethack specific bits 17:10 <@Loggers_VIII> noisytoot vorpal jabs are one of the fairest instadeaths around 17:10 those are unavoidable unless you have vorpal blade and don't exist in vanilla 17:10 and prob a couple other variants 17:10 it's possible for one to get summoned next to you and behead you twice 17:10 <@Loggers_VIII> noisytoot that's just disingenuous 17:10 ^ 17:10 bhaak: cool, must have been a ton of work! 17:11 bhaak - which version of 3.6 17:11 <@Loggers_VIII> I don't know if anyone has ever experienced that niche corner case 17:11 i'd like to update the wiki with that info 17:11 -!- terrapin has quit [Quit: Cheers!] 17:11 <@Loggers_VIII> take it from a guy who got beheaded by one in purgatory with the amulet and whined about it for 20 minutes afterward 17:11 if I wanted to kvetch about dubiously-unavoidable deaths I'd probably go to chameleons or cubes before something that's super late in the game where you usually have an abundance of other viable resources 17:11 i always die to those guys 17:12 but it's also always been my fault 17:12 hmm... i could see a vorpal J beheading you twice if a break wasnt put in place after the first attack 17:12 Noisytoot might be on to something 17:12 I think that did happen to me 17:12 beheading twice in a row 17:12 burned lifesaving and then got beheaded again 17:12 get a program in disorder? 17:12 oooh that 17:12 i see 17:12 hah yeah 17:13 that's legit 17:13 qt: from december 2019 to march 2020. 17:13 and even then I don't think chameleons or cubes are like the height of Video Game Unfairness™, just suck shit to have to deal with 17:13 i was burdened in gehennom and tried to run away instead of teleporting the J or something, so it was really on me, but it did smart 17:14 bhaak: wow I didn't realize it's been on 3.6 for so long 17:14 K2: I'd say 3.6.6 17:14 loggers: again i don't have a problem with difficulty per se, but just think the save scum model is less tedious and more conducive to learning 17:14 bhaak thanks 17:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] MoonPig (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:5408 17:14 anselmus rather than savescum just play in explore mode 17:14 anselmus: yeah that's the idea behind Explore mode, basically an explicit "being able to save yourself from death is a good way to learn the game" 17:14 or wizmode 17:14 don't play in wizmode 17:15 explore mode is better yeah 17:15 or Pat will reject PRs because they allow people to ascend more easily in wizmode 17:15 heh 17:15 i agree (finally! :p) that is better than permadeath 17:15 sure but explore mode games dont count 17:16 winning isnt really winning 17:16 except you wouldn't be able to recreate situations i guess 17:16 it's a good way to learn the game though which I thought is what anselmus was saying 17:16 i hope so 17:16 qt: it's been ever since containers can be shown as "empty". I think that's one of the most obvious vanilla originating enhancements 17:16 <@Loggers_VIII> I just think your problem here is not with evilhack but with the genre itself and idk what to say about it lol 17:16 i really was confused about that comment from Pat, that it's important to prevent people from ascending easily in wizmode 17:17 ascending is already easy in wizmode 17:17 why is that a consideration? it's a debug mode, and as a result you can instantly ascend already 17:17 oh lord this isn't some elaborate bit 17:17 it couldn't really be much easier 17:17 <@Loggers_VIII> can someone link me to that pat thing 17:17 anselmus is loggers right? do you wish nethacj and its variants had like 3 lives like an arcade game? 17:17 *nethack 17:17 <@Loggers_VIII> anselmus isn't me >:( 17:17 re: wizmode 17:17 <@Loggers_VIII> oh nevermind I misunderstood lol 17:18 :P 17:18 comma placement 17:18 I thought you understood and were riffing 17:18 3 lives and, if you insert a coin, you get another life 17:18 I submitted a patch to let you generate high altars in arbitrary places in wizard mode to test effects of things on high altars 17:18 qt i saw that 17:18 you get 3 lives when playing heaven or hell 17:18 Pat was not impressed 17:18 i think the game assumes that you cant do that 17:18 and pat commented that it would let people ascend in 1 turn or something so it was bad 17:18 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Val Gia Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:120970 (1 day, 20:48:05) 17:18 what a weird concern 17:18 ^ 17:18 anyway, who the hell would brag about ascending in wizmode? 17:18 my concern would be that the pray.c code for ending the game assumes you are on astral 17:18 no it worked fine because I had an earlier PR that changed how high altars are defined 17:18 yeah but qt's patch was strictly for wizmode 17:19 there's an explicit bit in the altarmask now that defines them instead of checking u.uz 17:19 it's much cleaner now 17:19 so now they can be anywhere (and contrariwise there can be non-high temple altars in the sanctum and on astral) 17:19 does any of the done(ASCENDED) stuff assume u.uz is astral? 17:20 [hdf-us] [xnh] arrow (Ran Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:4293 17:20 K2: i think that could work if the death was unavoidable, but again i know people here will disagree with that fact 17:20 i'm not sure, i didn't really think about that so maybe -- my idea was that you could test things like effects that break/overwrite altars (which are supposed to leave high altars alone) 17:21 well every death is avoidable 17:21 it was a pretty niche idea anyway so i don't mind that it was rejected, but it was an odd reason 17:21 <@Loggers_VIII> "every death is avoidable" we are not doing this again 17:21 heheheh 17:21 <@Loggers_VIII> discussion over everyone go home 17:21 it depends on the RNG's mood at that time 17:21 Are all deaths avoidable? (support your position with at least 5 references) (show your work) 17:22 <@Loggers_VIII> lol 17:22 source: trust me bro 17:22 Demo: seems to work OK offering the amulet on a Dlvl1 high altar 17:23 i consider myself an experienced player, but my experience with evil/hackem has been mindlessly starting over after dying to something i barely even understand 17:23 there could still be some parts that check u.uz though, I caught one after the original patch and fixed it in a PR fairly recently 17:23 and that is a tedious way to play 17:23 maybe you are an experienced vanilla player, but not an experienced evil/hackem player 17:23 ^ 17:23 I feel like deepening your understanding would be the solution here, in the abstract sense 17:23 alright here's what i'm thinking of: nao? encodeachieve code that assumes you end the game in the endgame and wont set a certain trophy (probably for entering the planes lol) otherwise. it seems vanilla doesnt use that code and does things differently 17:23 well duh lol 17:23 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Val Gia Fem Law) genocided shocking spheres, on T:121129 (1 day, 20:53:22) 17:23 and it seems even if it did, that that behavior would still be correct 17:24 otherwise there would be no point in playing probably 17:24 <@Loggers_VIII> evilhack does do a lot to make sure you know the threats you encounter 17:24 <@Loggers_VIII> just use pokedex for monsters 17:24 <@Loggers_VIII> anything else ask in #evilhack about 17:24 I also feel like explore mode's been an option on several hdf-hosted variants for longer than I've been here 17:24 yeah you just make an edit to your cfg 17:24 explore mode 17:24 easy peasy 17:24 sorry but i play the configless conduct 17:25 -!- nurdglaw has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:25 anselmus - with *every* variant there's a learning curve, some more than others. case in point: i found gnollhack faurly easy, AFTER I learned what I needed to do. it took a few games to learn 17:25 *fairly 17:26 I ascended hackem on my second (third if you count a local game, fourth if you count a local game that died to a bug (sokoban level not being loaded correctly, maze with a minotaur being placed instead)) try 17:26 but in order to reach that level of knowledge and experience, i have to suffer excruciating tedium of endless deaths 17:26 evilhack's learning curve isnt that much. hackem is moreso because of all the stuff added to it from slashem. gnollhack and dnethack have the greatest learning curves imo 17:27 anselmus were you born with full knowledge of how to play nethack? 17:27 "have to" makes a lot of assumptions imo 17:27 also i play super slow and methodical which makes starting over even more tedious 17:27 also not that it necessarily matters here but I feel like I'd place dnh slightly above gnoll for learning curves 17:28 at the moment anyway, bound to change :B 17:28 <@Loggers_VIII> i feel like the existent of explore mode makes this discussion meaningless 17:28 <@Loggers_VIII> *existence 17:28 i mean, you had to learn nethack right? you didnt start playing it knowing how to play already did you? 17:28 <@Loggers_VIII> if you don't enjoy the learning curve, use explore mode. if you do, then boom you play the game and die a lot 17:28 there's a bunch of people here that test things locally before trying it on a server, also 17:29 [hdf-us] [hackm] hothraxxa (Hea Gno Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7995 (3:47:45) 17:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] MoonPig (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired the Sokoban amulet of reflection, on T:6831 17:29 I also ascended ndnh and vanilla 3.6 on my first try on hardfought/nao (much more if you count local games). 17:30 stop bragging!!!!!!! this discussion has made me cry 17:30 <@Loggers_VIII> mii iiw lol 17:30 i'm so upset 17:30 <@Loggers_VIII> fuck 17:30 <@Loggers_VIII> wrong server 17:31 i think the cfg option is OPTIONS=playmode:explore 17:31 put that in your cfg, start a new game 17:31 ^ any nethack 3.x based variant or vanilla 17:32 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:32 -!- Arseniy has joined #hardfought 17:32 the nethackscoreboard knows to ignore explore mode games 17:32 K2 did you see what I said in #evilhack about that? 17:32 so no easy mode asc get counted :P 17:32 it doesn't work 17:32 <@Loggers_VIII> qt is saying it doesn't work 17:32 <@Loggers_VIII> yeah 17:32 look i love permadeath and i know it's the only option to be consistent with prior records 17:32 ah 17:32 i coulda swore it worked once before 17:33 maybe when you updated you changed sysconf EXPLORERS value 17:33 try something else other than evilhack 17:33 i tried vanilla 17:33 yeah 17:33 try a 3.4.3 based 17:33 yeah maybe those will work since they don't have sysconf, i'll see 17:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] MoonPig (Kni Hum Fem Law) destroyed Lly's ghost, the former Fighter, on T:7118 17:35 interesting 17:35 3.4.3 doesn't recognize the playmode option 17:35 on my wizmode box i can put that line in my cfg, start a game in normal mode and it lets me play in explore mode 17:35 the EXPLORERS line in sysconf is probably different in your wizmode build 17:36 its not 17:36 what's sysconf have for EXPLORERS? 17:36 'nobody' 17:36 oh 17:36 if you're included in WIZARDS maybe that overrides it 17:36 it should be EXPLORERS=* to allow everyone to use explore mode 17:36 right but my account name isnt 'nobody' 17:37 and its letting me play in ex mode 17:37 but your account is included in the list for WIZARDS right? 17:37 for wizmode access? 17:37 I think that gives you access to both modes 17:37 no, explore mode 17:38 i put OPTIONS=playmode:explore in the cfg 17:38 explore mode basically means you're invincible right? i think something like restoring you to a previous dungeon level would be a better compromise 17:38 started the game normal (no -X or -D flag) 17:38 and it worked 17:38 what I mean is that I think if you have access to wizmode, you also gain access to explore mode automatically 17:38 anselmus explore mode lets you choose whether you want to die or not 17:38 so explore mode list is actually WIZARDS + EXPLORERS 17:38 plus you start with a wand of wishing 17:39 qt aaaah 17:39 anselmus see https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Explore_mode 17:39 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Ana Hum Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1175 17:40 qt that explains it 17:40 that's just a guess 17:41 not totally sure but I think it's probably something like that 17:41 i bet you're correct 17:41 try removing your name from WIZARDS and see if it still lets you in 17:41 so you wouldn't really be able to recreate a situation and know what would've worked 17:42 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a copper amulet of reflection, on T:16177 (6:32:52) 17:42 <@Loggers_VIII> you could just look at stats to find that out anselmus 17:44 K2 I can't figure out how to do exploremode in 3.4.3 17:44 maybe #exploremode ? 17:44 I thought the command was X but that does #twoweapon now 17:44 sure in 1-to-1 encounters 17:44 maybe that's a -nao change 17:45 oh 17:45 i found it in the help menu 17:45 yeah in 3.4.3 as well: You cannot access explore mode. 17:45 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:42482 (1 day, 6:43:20) 17:45 <@Loggers_VIII> I fail to see a situation in which you have access to the stats of every monster, know what killed you and then can't figure out how you could have survived 17:45 -!- arahael_ has joined #hardfought 17:45 -!- nurdglaw has joined #hardfought 17:45 [hdf-eu] [nh370] nurdglaw (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 1326 points, T:2331, killed by a wand 17:46 <@Loggers_VIII> if you can think of one I'll entertain it but it's meaningless when you're just speculating on a variant you aren't even that experienced with 17:46 I can see anselmus' point -- if you're inexperienced and using explore mode to learn the game, as is intended, you probably don't know enough to read a stat block and instantly know whether you could have survived or what could have gone differently 17:47 you probably don't even know what many of the stats mean 17:47 <@Loggers_VIII> idk when I was learning evilhack pinobot and monster lookup were my best friends 17:47 lol well eggandhull it appears you have no excuse to avoid evil/hackem thanks to these brilliant advocates 17:48 besides preference in vibes and difficulty 17:48 :u 17:48 eggandhull should try xnethack then :) 17:48 -!- nurdglaw has quit [Client Quit] 17:48 -!- nurdglaw has joined #hardfought 17:49 <@Loggers_VIII> well everyone should try xnethack 17:49 I can make suggestions informed by my own preferences but it's their call end of the day 17:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) found Sting on the floor, on T:983 17:49 <@Loggers_VIII> totally forgot this started as trying to recommend a variant 17:50 probably not wise to do in presence of the devs 17:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) destroyed nabru's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:1047 17:50 <@Loggers_VIII> one dev, that is 17:52 ? 17:52 it's true, I am Pat Rankin in disguise 17:52 <@Loggers_VIII> and to be fair, k2 isn't a particularly vengeful entity lol 17:53 <@Loggers_VIII> gasp 17:53 I mean almost none of the devs currently here are, not that I'm aware of 17:53 I have been keeping an enemies list wherein I tally all the times someone has insulted or belittled me 17:54 now I will add a new PATch to NetHack that causes all those players to be randomly decaPATated after a few turns!!! 17:54 <@Loggers_VIII> hahahaha 17:54 -!- arahael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:54 <@Loggers_VIII> I can see pat doing that, even if he probably wouldn't 17:54 qt has gone rougelike 17:54 he'd never sully the purity of NetHack in such a way I thinkfor 17:54 <@Eternal Guardian> It's spelled roguelike. 17:55 *for a personal grievance 17:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 2640 points, T:1485, killed by a soldier ant 17:56 <@Loggers_VIII> you never know 17:56 <@Loggers_VIII> he could choose to break bad 17:56 I like Pat, he's definitely a real character but I don't think he's an evil megalomaniac :) 17:57 certainly not to the extent he starts inserting his name in all caps into the words he types 17:57 though that would be really funny if he started doing that 17:57 <@Loggers_VIII> we gotta get him to start 17:58 <@Loggers_VIII> pull request: pat start talking in pat-based buns 17:58 <@Loggers_VIII> *puns 17:58 <@Loggers_VIII> how did I even mess that up b is so far away from p 17:58 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:42808 (1 day, 6:56:25) 17:58 you have buns in your mind 17:59 pat-baked buns 18:00 fresh hot puns 18:00 patty-cake 18:00 bake me a cake as fast as you can 18:00 (the cake is a lie) 18:01 wiki seems to say the nursery rhyme is actually "pat-a-cake" 18:01 <@Loggers_VIII> lies 18:01 oh it does list "patty-cake" as a variation 18:01 maybe pat-a-cake is the original or UK version 18:02 <@Loggers_VIII> wikipedia once again trying to use its platform to spread harmful doctrine 18:02 thunderstorm almost on top of us weeeee 18:02 lets see if i lose interwebz 18:02 set up those sandbags! 18:02 time to hide in the baement 18:03 *basement 18:03 nah i'm good 18:03 ozzy will hide under the desk if there's loud thunder 18:03 I don't know if the basement is the ideal hiding place when it could flood 18:03 first 100 degree heat wave coming to these mountains 18:03 but I don't know if the roof is the ideal hiding place when it could lightning 18:03 we're well above any flooding areas 18:03 so it's better to stay where you are 18:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] MoonPig (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered the Bigroom, on T:9213 18:04 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Ana Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:3754 18:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] MoonPig (Kni Hum Fem Law), 35756 points, T:9234, killed by a Green-elf 18:05 someone on the internet bragged about saving 50k by not having homeowners insurance fo 30 years 18:05 this is the earliest recorded version of the patty-cake rhyme (from 1698): 18:05 -!- jess has quit [] 18:05 "...and pat a cake Bakers man, so I will master as I can, and prick it, and prick it, and prick it, and prick it, and prick it, and throw't into the Oven." 18:05 lots of pricking going on back then! 18:05 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1168 points, T:1173, killed by a mountain dwarf 18:06 anselmus really. and then what happened? 18:06 * anselmus has known patricks but no pats 18:07 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 18:07 did their house flood? 18:07 or catch on fire? 18:07 [hdf-eu] [nh370] pinball (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:2788 18:07 got lucky obviously :) 18:07 also, to have a mortgage you *have* to have home owners insurance 18:07 -!- arahael_ has joined #hardfought 18:07 does that mean they owned their home outright? 18:08 but you can't get home insurance any more in california or something 18:08 qt a lot of insurance companies have pulled out of cali and florida recently 18:08 look it was an anonymous comment on the internet, why're you grilling me lol 18:08 anselmus :P 18:08 they were prob full of shit then hah 18:08 K2: also louisiana, as my parents found out (well, there is like one company left and they are charging exorbitant prices -- 3x higher than the company my parents were using that went bankrupt and/or pulled out of louisiana earlier this year) 18:08 he was in florida referring to hurricanes 18:09 ah 18:09 hahah ozzy just climbed under the desk 18:09 that thunder wasnt even that loud 18:09 he just knows 18:09 poor doggy 18:09 bourbon is like 'whatevs' 18:09 he's a duck-and-coverer 18:10 qt :( 18:10 is that why your folks moved? 18:11 not really the reason why (they had been offered good jobs here in NYC), but it did happen around the time they were deciding what to do and I think it certainly tipped the scales towards moving 18:11 your dog is a duck? 18:11 our home owners insurance options are limited because we have german shepherds 18:12 stupid as fuck reason but there it is 18:12 because german shepherds are known to eat houses 18:12 lol thats so weirdly specific 18:12 why german shepherds specifically? 18:12 is it because the policy covers injury to your guests and they consider them to be dangerous dogs, something like that? 18:12 I've heard something similar about pit bulls 18:13 some lawmakers were bit by german shepherds in their childhood 18:13 that you can't get home insurance if you have pit bulls 18:13 -!- arahael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:13 yeah every disaster you'll see a sob story about someone who "unfortunately" didn't have insurance 18:13 back in the 80's/90's german shepherds were mistakenly thought of as super aggressive bad dogs 18:13 before them it was dobermans 18:13 now its pit bulls i think 18:14 YASI: allow large dogs to tunnel through rock by eating it like umber hulks 18:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Mon Hum Mal Neu) entered the Astral Plane, on T:71087 18:14 the pit bulls had been craftily leaving the child bones in the german shepherd dogs' houses 18:14 to frame them 18:14 rottwielers made the naughty list too i think 18:14 well they can be trained to be aggressive, you have to give them that 18:15 you can train any dog to be aggressive 18:15 actually what that guy advised was not just rejecting insurance but saving up money as self insurance 18:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Mon Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Master, on T:71095 18:15 K2 was the reason about the insurance thing like I guessed? that the policy covers injuries to your guests? 18:15 Chihuahua's have entered chat 18:15 or is it seriously that they think the dogs will chew up the house or something 18:16 dont have to train them, they are already mean 18:16 qt the former 18:16 threat to people 18:16 luckily an angry chihuahua can be kicked like a football onto the roof 18:16 so it's not a very great threat 18:16 -!- stenno has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.8] 18:17 i was bit on the chin once by a weiner dog 18:17 they're kinda nasty temperment too 18:17 funny you say that. I was bit on the weiner once by a chin dog 18:17 ooooh my 18:17 qt you have officially won the internet 18:18 \o/ 18:18 i demand life insurance for my evil chars 18:18 wear an amulet of life saving 18:19 lol, thanks K2. the setup was too perfect 18:19 <@Loggers_VIII> yasi: rename explore mode to "insurance mode" 18:19 hah all the really heavy t-storms are going just south and east of us 18:19 amulet of life insurance: 10000 gold i added to your bones pile 18:19 qt I knew i could count on you :P 18:20 ozzy you can move now if you want 18:20 no? ok 18:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Famine, on T:71109 18:23 K2 were you really bitten on the chin by a dachshund? What happened? 18:25 yeah i was 18:25 looong time ago 18:25 was at a friends apt, she had the dog 18:25 'oh she's friendly blah blah' 18:25 i'm laying on the floor, its licking my face, then BAM 18:25 bit me 18:25 i didnt do anything to make it want to do that 18:26 does your chin look a lot like a rat or mole from a certain angle? 18:26 <@evalya> Is this multiplayer? 18:26 <@Loggers_VIII> no 18:26 is what multiplayer? 18:26 no it didnt bite too hard 18:26 a coworker not only got attacked by a pitbull while taking a walk during lunch but fell down a hill in the process 18:26 left a mark but it healed 18:26 <@evalya> Oh ok I was just confused about the website making you connect to a server to play 18:27 evalya: it means that other people can watch your game as you play, your scores will go on a public scoreboard, people will cheer you on as you win, etc 18:27 <@Loggers_VIII> you can get other player's ghosts and loot but there's no true multiplayer 18:27 but you can also play locally, you don't need to play on a public server 18:27 <@evalya> Goti t 18:27 <@evalya> Thats awesome. I feel like a lot of games would benefit from pseudo-multiplayer elments like this 18:27 oh yeah, that too -- you can stumble upon levels where a previous player has died and take their stuff 18:27 <@Loggers_VIII> bones are very very fun I love them 18:27 i agree, that is so cool 18:27 it's such a good idea 18:28 <@evalya> I've literally played games and thought of this exact feature being a cool idea 18:28 brb 18:28 <@evalya> Also not really for nethack but dark souls-styled invasiosn would probably be fun in a lot of real-time roguelikes 18:28 <@Loggers_VIII> sunk cost fallacy REALLY hitting me with the magic 8 ball right now 18:28 what about bones but without the monsters, everyone wins 18:28 Loggers_VIII: are you trying to get a wish from it? 18:28 <@Loggers_VIII> yes 18:29 wow. good luck... 18:29 <@Loggers_VIII> I've spent like 80,000 turns holding down a 18:29 <@Loggers_VIII> I've done it before but it didn't take this long 18:29 wow 18:29 I've never even tried, I like having the artifact and using it to answer questions 18:29 getting the magic 8 ball answer I mean 18:29 <@Loggers_VIII> lol 18:29 the rumors thing is fun too, it can give rumors right? 18:30 <@Loggers_VIII> yeah 18:30 <@Loggers_VIII> statistically speaking I've gotta be close to getting this wish 18:30 -!- arahael_ has joined #hardfought 18:30 TNNT has swap chests 18:30 <@Loggers_VIII> but everyone knows statistics are bs 18:32 Noisytoot: true 18:32 that's another fun pseudo-multiplayer element 18:33 there is real chance it'll take 200k turns or more 18:33 though it's not available until the tournament in November 18:34 <@Loggers_VIII> arseniy well you have to factor in that a turn isn't necessarily an action 18:35 <@Loggers_VIII> there's still a chance for 200k+ but it's so low I'm going to pretend it's impossible until I get to that point 18:35 Poisson distribution is wide 18:36 <@Loggers_VIII> i have to say some of these rumors are... interesting 18:36 -!- arahael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:37 <@Loggers_VIII> I've absorbed a decent amount of them into the ol' mind palace just by sitting here 18:37 "variance trumps probability" was a popular casino myth 18:38 [hdf-eu] [nh370] pinball (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a crossbow bolt on an altar, on T:4496 18:39 -!- arahael_ has joined #hardfought 18:39 but when applied to sac gifts, it's not a myth 18:40 <@Loggers_VIII> that reminds me after this I need to altar camp 18:41 that's another Poisson process 18:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Sam Hum Mal Law) destroyed Emilus85's ghost, the former Skirmisher, on T:2050 18:41 <@Loggers_VIII> who 18:41 what does that mean anselmus? 18:43 i think it meant they all believed they could win 18:43 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Ana Hum Mal Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:6628 18:43 despite the preponderance of evidence against it 18:44 -!- arahael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:44 something like "probability says I'll lose money on average, but the distribution is wide enough that there are plenty of scenarios where I win money"? 18:44 when I googled the phrase I got an article about Donald Trump and Reality Winner 18:44 If you play simple roulette a couple of times and never play again in your life 18:45 she has such a weird and cool name 18:45 a significant chunk of people would be winners 18:45 if you play a lot, that's Gauss distribution then, and that one is not wide at all 18:45 Arseniy: that makes sense 18:46 i think the basic concept was that a person's career/lifetime was too short to be statistically meaningful 18:46 Poisson is when you repeat something of low-ish or low probabilty until it succeeds once or like a handful of times 18:48 that's one of the reasons why there are table limits 18:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 4270128 points, T:71232, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Thidwick/nethack/dumplog/1626928539.nh.html 18:49 someone can't just martingale with a billion dollars 18:50 <@Loggers_VIII> yani the chance of getting a wish from the magic 8 ball is changed to 50% 18:50 and the other 50% it kills you twice 18:51 <@Loggers_VIII> I would prefer this 18:51 s/kills/grants/ 18:52 <@Loggers_VIII> but k2 knows that the current implementation is optimally evil 18:52 Loggers but then I won't be able to use it for my preferred purposes 18:52 namely not getting a wish but enjoying the 8-ball features 18:55 <@Loggers_VIII> some sacrifices are necessary for the greater good 18:56 you would #offer me!? 18:57 I'm shocked, quite frankly 18:58 <@Loggers_VIII> you've gotta be a lot of points 18:58 <@Loggers_VIII> maybe then I could finally get some good gifts 18:59 qt: only in a variant that implements aztec style sacrifices where we first torture the sacrifice targets to make them cry in a way pleasing the gods, then we (a chaotic player) tear their still beating heart (or other random internal organ if we're confused) from their body 19:00 and then too only if you're not a trice 19:00 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] Noisytoot (Bar Eth Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:59764 19:00 nor black unicorn I guess 19:00 sounds like _somebody_ woke up on the wrong side of the bed^Wstep pyramid today! 19:03 -!- b_jonas_ is now known as b_jonas 19:04 -!- arahael_ has joined #hardfought 19:05 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] Noisytoot (Bar Eth Mal Law) performed the invocation, on T:59815 19:08 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 19:09 -!- arahael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] chipoyan (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 4 points, T:190, killed by an orcish arrow 19:14 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Hea Dro Fem Neu), 306 points, T:1440, killed by a hobbit 19:18 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] Noisytoot (Bar Eth Mal Law) killed the elder priestess of Moloch, on T:59945 19:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 268 points, T:322, killed by a jackal 19:23 -!- nurdglaw has quit [Quit: Client closed] 19:26 [hdf-eu] [nh370] nurdglaw (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 3561 points, T:4075, killed by a blue jelly 19:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) was bestowed with Magicbane by Anhur, on T:2727 19:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 2041 points, T:2749, killed by a rothe 19:33 oh interesting, knock spell does knockback in vanilla now 19:33 explains that one thing I encountered earlier 19:36 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Dhl-Hea Dro Fem Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2157 19:36 -!- nabru has quit [Quit: :wq] 19:37 -!- nabru has joined #hardfought 19:39 [hdf-au] [hackm] Orcranger (Sam Hum Fem Law) had Grayswandir bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:17947 (9:53:11) 19:39 -!- arahael_ has joined #hardfought 19:40 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had Angelslayer bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:45345 (15:58:19) 19:43 -!- arahael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 244 points, T:1225, killed by a dwarf, while sleeping 19:49 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] Noisytoot (Bar Eth Mal Law) entered the Planes, on T:61308 19:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Hea Gno Fem Neu) murdered her faithful little dog, on T:1 19:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 44 points, T:59, killed by a fox 19:55 so you can use knock on a monster as well as on a door? 19:55 that is interesting 19:55 sounds like it could be very situationally powerful 19:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 15 points, T:226, killed by a sewer rat 19:55 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Wiz Inf Mal Cha) performed his first annihilation (infernals), on T:1 19:56 can you bully the oracle with it? 19:56 <@post163> !lastgame 19:56 @post163: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/p/post163/nethack/dumplog/1689292495.nh.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nurdglaw/nethack/dumplog/1689285634.nh.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arahael/evilhack/dumplog/1688881979.evil.html 19:56 Demo: "The Oracle doesn't budge. The Oracle gets angry!" 19:56 damn that's not nice 19:57 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] Noisytoot (Bar Eth Mal Law) destroyed Famine, on T:61457 19:57 you should totally be able to move the oracle with it and the oracle should be M2_STALK 19:57 better way to bully the oracle: "What do you want to call the Oracle? Silly billy The Oracle doesn't like being called names!" 19:57 it would make the game more interesting 19:57 it says right there that she doesn't like it 19:58 yeah but she has a super power of "its really boring on the oracle level so eventually the player will leave me alone and stop calling me names" 19:58 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Wiz Inf Mal Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a scroll of annihilation 19:58 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] Noisytoot (Bar Eth Mal Law), 7857079 points, T:61462, ascended 19:58 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/N/Noisytoot/notdnethack/dumplog/1688432970.ndnh.txt 19:58 -!- Arseniy has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:58 imagine if you could ping pong her across levels and take her with you 19:58 congrats NoisyToot! 19:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 0 points, T:5, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 19:58 gg 19:58 haha 19:58 congrats Noisytoot 19:58 nice job 19:58 [hdf-us] [xnh] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 5 points, T:62, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 19:59 Bareth Mallaw sounds like a D&D character name 19:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] chipoyan (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) was bestowed with Magicbane by Thoth, on T:4424 19:59 or a fantasy name in general 19:59 it's the well known name Wallam Hterab backwards, that's why 20:00 [hdf-us] [hackm] post163 (Yeo Hum Mal Neu), 0 points, T:7, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 20:00 [hdf-us] [hackm] post163 (Yeo Hob Mal Law), 69 points, T:54, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 20:01 is that the recommended way to make up a fantasy name 20:01 ? 20:01 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Mon Hlf Fem Neu) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:392 20:01 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Mon Hlf Fem Neu), 542 points, T:398, killed by a soldier mummy 20:02 i think so 20:02 Reyem Leahcim 20:02 yeah it does look like a fantasy name 20:03 you can also add random ' into it as needed 20:03 lol 20:04 most of the devteam tool shkp names seem to have followed your method to a T 20:04 sometimes with the addition of random - as well 20:05 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Nob Dwa Fem Law), 1000 points, T:579, killed by a rabid rat 20:07 Niknar Tap 20:07 [hdf-au] [hackm] Orcranger (Sam Hum Fem Law), 127088 points, T:18605, killed by a bolt of lightning, while sleeping 20:07 Niknar is indeed one of the tool shop names 20:08 only a specific subset use actual backwards names and such (think it's the tool shop actually), the rest are apparently from various real-world cultures 20:08 mostly (Eastern) European 20:08 yeah, tool shkp names 20:09 [hdf-us] [hackm] post163 (Wiz Trt Fem Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of fire 20:09 [hdf-us] [hackm] post163 (Yeo Hum Mal Neu), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 20:10 [hdf-us] [un] post163 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 9 points, T:112, killed by a system shock 20:10 [hdf-eu] [hackm] UristMcRaven (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 3868 points, T:3319, killed by a zoo bat 20:10 [hdf-us] [nh343] habib (Arc Dwa Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:37815 20:10 [hdf-us] [un] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 120 points, T:136, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 20:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Hea Gno Fem Neu) murdered her faithful little dog, on T:1 20:11 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Dhl-Hea Dro Fem Neu) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:6107 20:11 liquor store - eastern europe; books - ireland; armors - turkey; wands - wales, scotland; rings - dutch and scandinavian names (names for human beings, not places, this time); foods - indonesia; weapons - "perigord" (france, I guess); light - romania, bulgaria (unused) 20:11 general store - suriname, greenlands, northern canada, iceland; health foods - tibet and "hippie names" 20:12 tools - anagrammed or backwards devteam names 20:12 are the devteam trying to say they think they're a bunch of tools? 20:13 lol, I wouldn't be surprised if that was an in-joke involved in the selection tbh 20:13 -!- arahael_ has joined #hardfought 20:14 the comment on the tool shopkeeper names (where the country name is on most of the other ones) is "imps" backwards 20:14 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Mon Hlf Fem Neu) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:804 20:17 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Mon Hlf Fem Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1649 20:18 -!- arahael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:18 [hdf-us] [nh343] habib (Arc Dwa Fem Law) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:37914 20:19 [hdf-us] [nh343] habib (Arc Dwa Fem Law) picked up the Amulet of Yendor, on T:37916 20:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 439 points, T:1816, killed by a gnome 20:23 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Mon Hlf Fem Neu) was given Fire Brand, on T:4708 20:23 ESR has one of the shopkeeper names 20:26 -!- arahael_ has joined #hardfought 20:29 I didn't know that 20:30 I don't know of any dnomyar scire shks 20:31 renaissance nethack/src ‹NetHack-3.7› » grep -i htims *.c 20:31 shknam.c: "Rewuorb", "Rellenk", "Yad", "Cire Htims", "Y-crad", "Nenilukah", 20:31 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Mon Hlf Fem Neu) was given Frost Treads, on T:12217 20:31 maybe Cire Htims? 20:31 ah, he's not Smith 20:31 for some reason I had Smith on my mind 20:32 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Mon Hlf Fem Neu) was given Frost Brand, on T:13143 20:35 [hdf-eu] [un] rainyrat (Val Hum Fem Law), 262 points, T:783, killed by a gnome, while sleeping 20:35 -!- arahael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:35 [hdf-eu] [un] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 20:36 [hdf-eu] [spl] post163 (Kni Dwa Mal Law), 54 points, T:32, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 20:37 here's my list I just came up with https://termbin.com/17lb 20:37 Umbire: if you think that would be useful for the Wiki somewhere have at it 20:38 That's already listed on the shopkeeper article I'm p. sure 20:38 oh really? what a waste!! 20:38 Well, the names, not so much their origins 20:38 I don't think so. it has the names but not the info about which devteam member each corresponds to 20:38 yeah 20:39 Demo: the name is "Donmyar" 20:40 (and nabru) 20:40 ah, thanks 20:40 I posted the full list of shkp names and identities above 20:41 did ESR actually contribute to nethack or did he just write the guidebook? 20:41 i mean contribute code 20:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 20 points, T:1, caught herself in her own magical blast 20:42 is Ken Arromdee KAA? 20:42 [hdf-us] [nh343] stagnate (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:104731 20:44 i guess ESR did contribute code to 3.0c, according to the guidebook 20:44 didnt he write the guidebook? 20:44 Demo: maybe so, first time his name is mentioned in the history is also in context of 3.0c 20:44 yeah i think so 20:44 so maybe he lied :) 20:45 he had full control! he could have put anything in there! 20:47 the guidebook also states that it was originally based on some previous documents 20:47 idk if it means that in regards to the entire document or just the development history section, since it only cites them in the intro to the history section 20:47 -!- Bleeko has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:48 "Large portions of this document were shamelessly cribbed from A Guide to the Dungeons of Doom, by Michael C. Toy and Kenneth C. R. C. Arnold. Small portions were adapted from Further Exploration of the Dungeons of Doom, by Ken Arromdee." 20:48 [hdf-us] [xnh] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) consulted the Oracle, on T:9216 20:48 [hdf-eu] [un] rainyrat (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:921 (0:03:19) 20:49 "Donmyar" is "Raymnod" backwards 20:49 [hdf-eu] [un] rainyrat (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered a shop, on T:1106 (0:04:03) 20:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] chipoyan (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a werejackal, on T:9344 20:50 yes but do you really trust ESR to spell his name right backwards? 20:50 a lot of them aren't just backwards names, they have some anagramming (some minor, some major) 20:50 Demo: lol 20:51 he would make a really good uncle i think 20:51 they probably thought "Dnomyar" sounded too unlikely/difficult to pronounce (despite the existence of the Dnieper) 20:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 298 points, T:1025, killed by a goblin 20:55 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Law) found Giantslayer in a shop, on T:424 20:56 [hdf-eu] [un] rainyrat (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 1776 points, T:2670, killed by a giant ant 21:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] arthur (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) consulted the Oracle, on T:5837 21:01 it's fun to come up with names like that, if I had a variant I would definitely add one for myself 21:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] arthur (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:5900 21:02 Yegmmer maybe 21:02 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Val Gia Fem Law) killed Lolth, on T:123473 (1 day, 22:02:30) 21:02 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Val Gia Fem Law) killed Yeenoghu, on T:123475 (1 day, 22:02:38) 21:05 bhaak could be Mierta Purcell or Traimel Clurpe or Rumelle 21:05 -!- Sgeo has joined #hardfought 21:05 since he is not included in the list (as I know we've chatted about before) 21:05 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:06 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Val Gia Fem Law) killed Baphomet, on T:123514 (1 day, 22:06:38) 21:06 [hdf-eu] [spl] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 21:07 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed Gollum, on T:22691 (3:02:43) 21:09 i had a good suggestion for his name but i forgot it 21:10 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Val Gia Fem Law) killed Graz'zt, on T:123560 (1 day, 22:10:36) 21:13 [hdf-us] [hackm] Ardub (Mon Cen Mal Cha) killed the Rat King, on T:7502 (2:52:57) 21:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Law) destroyed nurdglaw's ghost, the former Lookout, on T:3674 21:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Pri Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:4310 21:25 i think you might be the one who said Rumelle originally 21:25 I think someone else came up with that one last time we talked about this 21:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] chipoyan (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:12985 21:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] chipoyan (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) averted death (caught herself in her own ball of cold), on T:13022 21:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:5177 21:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] grey (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 114 points, T:514, poisoned by a rotted newt corpse 21:48 [hdf-us] [hackm] Ardub (Mon Cen Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a broadsword named Grandleon on an altar, on T:8067 (3:27:53) 21:49 [hdf-us] [xnh] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:9719 21:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] discardedjoker (Val Dwa Fem Law), 250 points, T:1527, killed by a guard 22:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] arthur (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 8586 points, T:6473, killed by an ogre, while moving through the air 22:02 [hdf-us] [xnh] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Sokoban amulet of reflection, on T:12036 22:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Tou Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a spotted jelly, on T:7952 22:05 [hdf-us] [hackm] Ardub (Mon Cen Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:8799 (3:44:47) 22:10 -!- terrapin has joined #hardfought 22:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] discardedjoker (Sam Hum Fem Law), 273 points, T:1605, killed by a giant rat, while fainted from lack of food 22:18 [hdf-us] [slth] nadh (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed the Rat King, on T:8791 22:22 first food ration i found and ate in omega rpg turned out to be "laced with cyanide" lol 22:22 probably the wrong game for me 22:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Tou Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed +2 gray dragon scale mail", got "a gray dragon scale mail", on T:10513 22:25 -!- cathartes has joined #hardfought 22:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] discardedjoker (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1931 22:32 [hdf-us] [slth] nadh (Wiz Dro Fem Cha), 40390 points, T:9172, quit 22:34 [hdf-us] [xnh] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a large kobold, on T:16497 22:36 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:26992 (3:55:43) 22:38 [hdf-us] [xnh] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a wraith corpse, on T:16771 22:43 -!- Lymia has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 22:44 -!- Lymia has joined #hardfought 22:50 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) destroyed nabru's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:28437 (4:09:57) 22:58 [hdf-us] [xnh] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) attained the rank of Student of Waters (level 14), on T:19220 23:02 [hdf-us] [hackm] Ardub (Mon Cen Mal Cha) was sent a hezrou by Huan Ti, on T:10785 (4:41:56) 23:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] discardedjoker (Val Dwa Fem Law), 991 points, T:3279, killed by an iguana, while frozen by a floating eye's gaze 23:11 [hdf-us] [hackm] Ardub (Mon Cen Mal Cha) had Gauntlets of Defense bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:10963 (4:50:44) 23:13 -!- oh7 has joined #hardfought 23:15 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:15 -!- oh7 is now known as oh6 23:16 [hdf-eu] [nh370] nmlkj (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 193 points, T:475, killed by a dwarf 23:22 [hdf-us] [hackm] Ardub (Mon Cen Mal Cha), 86085 points, T:11265, killed by a shade 23:26 [hdf-us] [ndnh] technillogue (Ana Eth Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased holy silver +5 quicksilver", on T:18323 23:29 -!- fakepass has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:30 -!- oh7 has joined #hardfought 23:31 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:31 -!- oh7 is now known as oh6 23:54 [hdf-us] [dnh] guest99987 (Ana Vam Fem Neu) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:1958 23:55 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:55 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 23:55 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ