00:02 [hdf-us] [hackm] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed Xanathar, on T:25884 (4:27:09) 00:16 [hdf-us] [hackm] Ardub (Val Cen Fem Neu) killed Ruggo the Gnome King, on T:8350 (4:01:24) 00:17 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Val Hum Fem Neu), 2916635 points, T:101963, poisoned by Demogorgon 00:24 [hdf-us] [nh343] stagnate (Val Dwa Fem Law), 11795 points, T:6485, killed by a quasit 00:27 [hdf-eu] [hackm] UristMcRaven (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:3063 (0:38:22) 00:32 -!- shadowrider38 has joined #hardfought 00:32 -!- Ride has joined #hardfought 00:33 <@Umbyre (he/him)> of course the wi-fi has to be fuck-awful the day I start playing 1.3d more and actually finding a groove 00:37 try playing using a dodgy mobile connection (1-2 bars) while sitting on a cliff in a small coastal town 00:37 I would play locally 00:37 lag sometimes up to a minute, so you get to enjoy the view while waiting to see if you died 00:38 of course, there is always the temptation to combine laggy nethack with extreme sports 00:38 "Extreme Nethack" 00:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] killer (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 8660 points, T:16391, killed by a bolt of lightning zapped by himself 00:45 <@Umbyre (he/him)> Wand rebound eh? 00:46 <@Umbyre (he/him)> Fuck me up Schitt's creek, longswords are apparently expensive as tits 00:47 <@Umbyre (he/him)> there's a fountain on this floor too 00:47 <@Umbyre (he/him)> aaaaaaaa 00:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] killer (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 161 points, T:1789, killed by a hobbit 00:58 <@Umbyre (he/him)> 710, hefty hefty hefty 00:58 <@cpittman> I'd be surprised if beam-bouncing wasn't always a thing. One of the things I always heard from the old guys in my D&D groups was lighting bolt bouncing. Either someone getting surprised and the caster getting vaporized, or someone pulling out a protractor to figure out exactly where the beam would bounce. 00:59 <@Umbyre (he/him)> bam, first try excal 01:00 <@cpittman> The latter group would go on to love hand grenades in Shadowrun. 😄 01:03 <@Umbyre (he/him)> wuh oh 01:03 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/1124928333029851248/image.png 01:03 <@cpittman> I can't remember the exact phrase for the result of a hand grenade in a small room. Chunky salsa 01:04 <@cpittman> Woah 01:04 <@Umbyre (he/him)> 1.3d treasure zoo 01:04 <@cpittman> I think row 3 is trying to tell you somethig 01:04 <@Umbyre (he/him)> I think the nymphs and quantum mechanics are the only major hurdles 01:04 <@cpittman> LACErAtE 01:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] killer (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 1315 points, T:3519, killed by a rothe 01:04 [hdf-eu] [hackm] UristMcRaven (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 7180 points, T:5881, killed by a black unicorn 01:07 <@Umbyre (he/him)> The large dog ate a dead zombie. 01:08 <@cpittman> It should be fine. I can't remember one piece of entertainment where animals get sick by eating zombies. 01:09 mobileuser i notice that you actually don't eat most corpses. i tend to eat almost every corpse i come across to save on food 01:09 <@Umbyre (he/him)> It's not like you're struggling for food in either case 01:10 <@cpittman> I think World War Z mentioned zombie animals, but the book also described the zombie virus as something everyone already had (I think) 01:11 Umbire: actually i do tend to not have enough food if i don't eat corpses 01:11 <@cpittman> I think you can use a tinning kit on zombies to get usable food 01:12 <@Umbyre (he/him)> I'm thinking more midgame nad stuff, you're near double digit rations by then and that should hold you a good while unless you're serially dallying 01:13 Umbire: this is early game. mobileuser hasn't hit soko yet and isn't eating most corpses 01:14 also interesting he got a unihorn but isn't using it as a weapon as a healer, still relying on skilled dagger 01:15 are you watching vanilla gameplay? 01:15 <@Umbyre (he/him)> it's not like he's obligated to unihorn at all 01:16 <@Umbyre (he/him)> also he's a Healer, worst case you turn a boulder into meat and just live off that forever 01:17 [hdf-us] [nh343] stagnate (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3288 01:17 wtf im ride 01:17 when did this happen 01:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] killer (Arc Hum Mal Neu) was bestowed with Mjollnir by Camaxtli, on T:3945 01:20 Ride: xnethack, so close to vanilla 01:21 Ride: this is a game in 2021 01:21 id be curious what his answers are 01:21 any reason you picked that game? 01:22 Ride: because i'm struggling to play healer in xnethack and wanted to learn from a more experienced player 01:22 Ride: i got as far as gehennom and got quickly splatted by geryon and realised i was totally unprepared 01:23 well i will say gehennom has changed drastically since 2021 and the parts you find hard about it may not be addressed too well by that game 01:23 Ride: and there are lots of videos online of people playing either valks (kill everything fast) or wizards (interesting equipment and spells) but not many for healers, which so far to me seem mostly like squishy without much else 01:23 Ride: yeah but i only got to gehennom once, and the other time died around medusa, so clearly i can't play well enough to regularly get to mid game with a healer 01:24 gotcha :) 01:24 watching better players play is the best way to get better imho 01:24 so you cant go wrong 01:24 Ride: so far he plays very differently to me. i've been doing protection racket on every game, which has killed me off more times than i'm comfortable with 01:25 [hdf-us] [hackm] Ardub (Val Cen Fem Neu) was sent a mud elemental by Odin, on T:9874 (5:10:09) 01:25 Ride: i also try to keep my XL low and hide behind my pet whereas he plays as if he's a valk, but progresses down DLs very slowly 01:25 <@Umbyre (he/him)> 01:26 i also stick with my scalpel a lot longer, trying to get it to expert and find some knives to throw, whereas he goes for dagger (admittedly he did find an enchanted dagger in this game) 01:26 [hdf-us] [hackm] Ardub (Val Cen Fem Neu) had Gungnir bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:9964 (5:11:33) 01:26 protection racket is good for getting one character really strong at the sacrifice of other deaths trying to get there 01:26 mobi tries to win every game (i assume) where protection racket may not be as effective 01:27 yeah this game is part of a streak of ascensions where he goes through a bunch of roles 01:28 ok lemme try to figure this out brb 01:28 -!- Ride has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:28 -!- Ride has joined #hardfought 01:29 <@Umbyre (he/him)> Healers get skilled in dagger so it's a perfectly fine choice 01:29 <@cpittman> I'm really liking Gehennom in fourk. There's only been a couple of maze levels 01:29 -!- Ride is now known as shadowrideer38 01:30 thats not right :| 01:30 why am i already here 01:30 this makes no sense T_T 01:32 <@cpittman> My only complaint is a few of the levels had 50-100 scrolls/wands on the same level. So I had to choose between ignoring them (impossible) or putting them in a corner and polymorphing them 01:32 <@Umbyre (he/him)> forgot to ghost old connections? 01:33 Umbire: https://thinkmoult.com/nethack-damage-calculator.html <-- hmm, seems as though elven dagger at skilled is slightly better than any knife at expert 01:33 something like that ig 01:33 (for meelee, for throwing, it's another story) 01:34 <@Umbyre (he/him)> you really shouldn't restrict yourself to thinking in terms of only numbers 01:35 <@Umbyre (he/him)> emphasis on only 01:35 crysknife though 01:35 <@Umbyre (he/him)> anyway brb gonna restart this computer and see if that makes the wi-fi diarrhea less unbearable 01:35 <@cpittman> @Umbyre (he/him) That's literally the best gaming advice I've ever heard. Especially when it comes to D&D 01:36 <@Umbyre (he/him)> crysknife is just good period 01:36 <@cpittman> Like, I'm not saying you want to play a character with a 6 in every stat, but putting it in one or two attributes tends to lend to fun characters 01:36 <@Umbyre (he/him)> again, "only" is the key phrase 01:37 cathartes: yes crysknife, was thinking early game though 01:40 [hdf-us] [un] k3ut0i (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered the Town, on T:27027 (8:24:10) 01:45 -!- shadowrideer38 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:46 -!- Ride has joined #hardfought 01:48 -!- shadowrider38 has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Ride))] 01:49 -!- shadowrider38 has joined #hardfought 01:49 -!- shadowrider38 has quit [Killed (mercury.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 01:49 -!- Ride is now known as shadowrider38 01:50 -!- Guest9510 has joined #hardfought 01:51 [hdf-us] [un] k3ut0i (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:27904 01:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] killer (Arc Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:7143 01:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] killer (Arc Hum Mal Neu) murdered his faithful large dog, on T:7199 01:55 -!- fakepass has joined #hardfought 01:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] OpticSugar (Arc Hum Mal Neu) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3338 01:57 -!- cathartes has quit [Quit: fly away] 02:02 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 02:18 <@Umbyre (he/him)> jesus my wi-fi is genuinely awful 02:21 [hdf-us] [4k] cpittman (Bar Orc Mal Cha) wished for "3 blessed scrolls of genocide named Completely Unnecessary", on T:49140 02:23 [hdf-us] [4k] cpittman (Bar Orc Mal Cha) wished for "3 blessed greased scrolls of genocide named Insult to Injury", on T:49144 02:28 <@cpittman> "66 species genocided" I'm not even sure what else I can genocide. Classes so far: c, e, h, n, J, K (sea monsters), L, N, R, T, U (bears), V, X (hulks) 02:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] killer (Arc Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Superfly's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:10145 02:34 [hdf-us] [4k] cpittman (Bar Orc Mal Cha) wished for "3 blessed scrolls of genocide", on T:49205 02:36 [hdf-us] [4k] cpittman (Bar Orc Mal Cha) wished for "3 blessed scrolls of genocide", on T:49287 02:38 [hdf-us] [4k] cpittman (Bar Orc Mal Cha) wished for "3 blessed scrolls of genocide named Yet Another Stupid Kill", on T:49327 02:39 <@cpittman> I was going to genocide the next 3 creatures I ran into. Fate tempted me with an orc and I started to read the scroll before remembering I was an orc. 02:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] killer (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 6586 points, T:10758, killed by a magic missile zapped by a hill orc 02:40 <@cpittman> 154 species genocided. 02:40 <@cpittman> I'm going to get to Astral and it's going to be exclusively angels and demons 02:43 [hdf-us] [4k] cpittman (Bar Orc Mal Cha) wished for "3 blessed fireproof scrolls of genocide named Ghost Town", on T:49348 02:46 [hdf-us] [4k] cpittman (Bar Orc Mal Cha) wished for "3 cursed scrolls of genocide named Baby Come Back", on T:49403 02:47 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 02:52 [hdf-us] [4k] cpittman (Bar Orc Mal Cha) wished for "3 blessed scrolls of genocide named They Were Innocent!", on T:49474 02:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] killer (Arc Hum Mal Neu) was bestowed with Mjollnir by Camaxtli, on T:2949 02:53 [hdf-us] [4k] cpittman (Bar Orc Mal Cha) wished for "3 blessed scrolls of genocide named Fuck Bugs", on T:49477 02:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] killer (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 415 points, T:3124, killed by a kitten 02:59 -!- ajh_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:00 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Val Hum Fem Law) became literate by engraving "El", on T:3081 (0:16:47) 03:05 [hdf-us] [hackm] goupaloupa (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 562 points, T:1196, killed by a small mimic 03:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] killer (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 1301 points, T:2960, killed by a giant bat 03:12 [hdf-us] [4k] cpittman (Bar Orc Mal Cha) wished for "3 blessed scrolls of genocide named Heat-Seeking Missiles", on T:49981 03:13 [hdf-us] [4k] cpittman (Bar Orc Mal Cha) wished for "3 blessed scrolls of genocide named Last Shipment of WMDs Was Light", on T:49982 03:14 <@cpittman> Elves, Humans, and Orcs are going to be the only randomly generated creatures left in this run, probably. 03:14 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Val Hum Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:4843 (0:30:48) 03:15 <@cpittman> Up to 184 species genocided: a, c, d, e, f, g, h, n, q, s, t, C, D, E, H, J, K, L, N, P, R, T, U, V, Z plus gelatinous cubes 03:16 [hdf-us] [4k] cpittman (Bar Orc Mal Cha) wished for "3 blessed scrolls of genocide named Bucket and a Mop", on T:50038 03:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] killer (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) permanently converted to lawful, on T:858 03:33 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vis (Val Hum Fem Neu), 601 points, T:865, killed by a werejackal 03:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] efw (Pri Hum Mal Law) entered Gehennom, on T:10219 03:42 -!- Guest48 has joined #hardfought 03:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] killer (Wiz Hum Fem Law) was bestowed with Sunsword by Ptah, on T:4390 03:43 Hi, is there a problem with the servers? I can't access any of them 03:43 ssh just does not connect 03:45 ah, for whatever reasons ipv6 takes a huge amount of time to connect, forcing ssh to ipv4 works just fine 03:45 <@cpittman> I'm currently playing on the us server (but that doesn't exclude new connections being created) 03:46 <@cpittman> How do you force ipv4? I've never had to do it. 03:46 ssh -4 03:47 when did the change happen that a human can carry much more weight? Month ago sometimes as a human wizzard I could carry 400-800, now I start out with 1300-1500 ... in unnethack 03:48 I am not complaining, makes it easier (altough, in 10 years, I only ascended twice, and the only recently (e.g. this year and last year) :) 03:48 <@cpittman> Is it a muscle wizard? 03:49 muscle wizard? 03:49 not sure if you are joking *ggg* 03:50 <@cpittman> Just a meme. Muscle Wizard casts Punch 03:51 right now with a human wizzard, this stats: St:10 Dx:14 Co:11 In:18 Wi:11 Ch:11 I can carry Inventory: 218/1150 weight, before with 10 and 11 I could probably get around 600 03:51 -!- shadowrider38 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:51 -!- Guest9510 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:51 <@cpittman> That seems high 03:53 yeah, it's like that since about a couple of weeks, surprised me 03:53 you can carry a lot now before you get a BOH 03:54 [hdf-eu] [nh370] nmlkj (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 158 points, T:666, killed by a jackal 03:55 <@cpittman> 197 species genocided. a, c, d, e, f, g, h, j, m, n, q, s, t, C, D, E, H, J, K, L, N, P, Q, R, T, U, V, Z 03:55 <@cpittman> I think the only genocidable classes left are: r, v, w, M, W 03:55 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:56 o.O 03:57 [hdf-eu] [nh370] nmlkj (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 363 points, T:427, killed by a small mimic 03:57 <@cpittman> Saving r because I heard woodchucks are special? Saving v because hiding in energy vortexes on plane of air have saved me. Saving w so I can reverse genocide purple worms on Astral. No good reason to save M. Saving W because I can still eat wraiths for extra HP, which is a little harder to get in fourk 03:58 [hdf-us] [hackm] willisllama (Nec Orc Mal Cha), 140 points, T:210, killed by a rabbit 03:58 <@cpittman> Oh, something just summoned 4 purple worms on me 03:59 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:8347 (1:15:09) 03:59 <@cpittman> Not sure if you can genocide golems 03:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] Dirge (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 930 points, T:2380, killed by a giant rat, while frozen by a floating eye's gaze 04:00 if you genocide that much, you will get a lot of the harder monsters created, well, at that point you probably can fight anything :) curios how you got to genocide 197 species, lot's of magic markers? 04:00 <@cpittman> I didn't have a chance to finish this game during Junethack so I'm taking as long as possible. 04:01 well, altough playing for around 10 years, I am pretty novice 04:01 <@cpittman> In fourk there's apparently several levels with a billion items. Just kept polymorphing until I got a bunch of scrolls 04:01 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Val Hum Fem Law) had a silver axe entrusted to her by Tyr, on T:8563 (1:17:57) 04:01 ah, never played fourk 04:02 <@cpittman> I do still have 5 magic markers but they need to be recharged 04:02 <@cpittman> This is the furthest I'v gotten in fourk 04:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:4241 04:03 [hdf-us] [hackm] willisllama (Nec Orc Mal Cha), 328 points, T:546, fell into a pit 04:04 <@cpittman> Accidentally destroying my bag of holding would turn this into a speedrun real quick. But I've found 5ish? Haven't checked amount of food in the stash but I have spare rings of slow digestion. 04:05 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest4334 04:05 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 04:05 <@cpittman> There are 5 amulets of life saving in the bag of holding (that should give you an idea of how much junk I've found in Hell 04:05 ah, that's a bummer, last time i was not carefull and a vortex dropped me out over water and my BOH was not greased, lost so manny scrolls and spell books 04:06 <@cpittman> Oof, that would suck. 04:06 5 amulets of life saving, won't do you much good in the bag of holding *ggg* I like to use amulet of flying on the astral planes over any other 04:07 <@cpittman> I have one amulet of flying (currently wearing), and 1 life saving in inventory in case things get real bad 04:07 good strategy 04:08 <@cpittman> Thanks for reminding me, I need to pull another scroll of scare monster into main inventory 04:08 <@cpittman> Last one got burned in a fire trap 04:08 -!- Guest4334 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:09 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Val Hum Fem Law) destroyed Orcranger's ghost, the former Woman-at-arms, on T:9035 (1:25:32) 04:09 yeah good to have those 04:10 <@cpittman> I have 7 more wands of create monster to go through. Pretty much the only thing showing up now are &'s 04:10 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 04:10 yeah, with all that genocided ... 04:10 <@cpittman> Oh! I just extinced Nazguls! 04:10 how do you make +Beholder comment on the games? 04:11 [hdf-au] [nh370] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Necromancer (level 22), on T:37408 04:11 [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1736 (0:23:20) 04:11 ah, I see it does it automatically 04:11 <@cpittman> I don't know which ringns are which but I have all 9 04:12 at my last ascension, I think I got 5 or 6 nazguls, named all rings, stashed them, and forgot to take them with me :-( 04:12 <@cpittman> 😄 04:12 [hdf-us] [hackm] willisllama (Nec Orc Mal Cha) murdered his faithful ghoul, on T:1138 (0:09:07) 04:13 <@cpittman> One of my recent runs I got 7(?) of them, but blew up the bag of holding with the 1st 5 rings 04:13 [hdf-us] [hackm] willisllama (Nec Orc Mal Cha), 895 points, T:1263, killed by a rabid rabbit 04:13 with a wand of cancellation? 04:13 [hdf-us] [hackm] willisllama (Nec Orc Mal Cha), 39 points, T:23, killed by a sewer rat 04:14 that happend to me when I was very tired and put accidently the wand in 04:14 <@cpittman> Very probably. I think it was in FIQHack. 04:14 <@cpittman> In Fourk, putting the wand of cancellation in will just take all the charges out of your wand 04:14 now I keep all cancellation wands out of sight in a extra sack as soon as I can 04:14 <@cpittman> Which is 1000x better than losing a bag of holding. 04:15 oh, that's dangerous when you are accustomed to that 04:15 hell yeah, it is 1000x better 04:15 [hdf-eu] [nh370] nmlkj (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) murdered his faithful kitten, on T:1495 04:15 <@cpittman> I accidentally found that out because I'm super paranoid about wands of cancellation and polymorph. Also found out tonight that wands of polymorph don't destroy your bag 04:16 <@cpittman> I thought I was just extremely lucky but someone else pointed out it's been that way for 20yrs 04:16 <@cpittman> (and probably longer) 04:16 yeah i was always so reluctant too of the polymorph wands, but it's mostly cancellation, and there is one other thing that can destroy your BOH apart of the wend of cancellation, but right now I don't remember 04:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] killer (Wiz Hum Fem Law), 4300 points, T:6991, killed by a fire ant 04:18 [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 949 points, T:1809, killed by a dagger 04:18 <@cpittman> I'm 90% sure bags of tricks will also destroy bags of holding 04:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] killer (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 0 points, T:56, killed by a burning scroll 04:21 [hdf-us] [hackm] willisllama (Nec Orc Mal Cha), 261 points, T:1114, killed by a gnome 04:21 <@cpittman> Oh, another cool thing about fourk, barbarians can cleave with axes when they upgrade the skill. So I was using +7 axe/+7 silver saber until I wished for Grayswandir 04:21 I remember wondering if poly wands were blowing my bohs 30 years ago (~1993) 04:22 back when I was unspoiled ;D 04:22 [hdf-us] [hackm] willisllama (Nec Orc Mal Cha), 58 points, T:119, killed by a goblin 04:23 [hdf-us] [hackm] willisllama (Nec Orc Mal Cha), 4 points, T:64, killed by a goblin 04:23 [hdf-us] [hackm] willisllama (Nec Orc Mal Cha) annihilated water moccasins on a level in The Dungeons of Doom, on T:15 (0:00:22) 04:23 <@cpittman> I choose to believe those conspiracy theorists were right, and in 2020 we did switch realities. Except for people that couldn't remember how to spell a book they were read in kindergarten, wands of polymorph destroyed bags of holding. 😄 04:23 <@shadow_rider> unspoiled players fascinate me 04:24 <@shadow_rider> we need to do studies on nethack 04:24 <@shadow_rider> test how people learn the game unspoiled 04:25 <@cpittman> I'm trying to get a couple people in my D&D group to try the game after they asked about some screenshots I posted. But not sure I could convince them to play unspoiled 04:25 <@joes5898> I’d like to teach someone 04:26 <@shadow_rider> new tournament idea 04:26 <@shadow_rider> we each get a new player and coach them 04:26 <@shadow_rider> whoever can make the most progress in a months time… 04:26 <@cpittman> We kidnap someone and force them to play? May be a bit problematic.... 04:27 <@cpittman> That seems hard to judge, what counts as a new player? I think the kidnapping idea is cleaner. 04:27 <@shadow_rider> new player is just someone who has never played before 04:27 <@cpittman> What might be more interesting is one person everyone can coach. 04:27 <@shadow_rider> LOL 04:27 [hdf-us] [hackm] willisllama (Nec Orc Mal Cha) murdered his faithful bloodworm, on T:418 (0:04:27) 04:28 <@shadow_rider> how many backseaters will it take until a person loses their mind 04:28 <@cpittman> Which I think is literally describing a Twitch stream. 04:29 <@cpittman> What's the one event that was earlier this year where there's a bunch of streamers that play and take over the same character? 04:30 <@shadow_rider> nethackathon 04:31 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest4731 04:31 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 04:32 <@cpittman> Yes! 04:33 <@cpittman> That was the other thing I only heard about this year. 04:34 -!- Guest4731 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:34 <@cpittman> I tried to watch the whole thing. Up until the one streamer that had ads scrolling across the bottom of the screen, with ad breaks. Mostly offers of anime characters doing your taxes. 04:34 <@joes5898> there was a massively multiplayer nethack once (not on Twitch) 04:35 <@cpittman> I can't even imagine how MMO would work with a turn-based game 04:35 <@joes5898> voting for inputs 04:36 <@cpittman> Oh. Like the Twitch Does Pokemon. That could be interesting (and take forever) 04:36 <@joes5898> I think antigulp had some fun themed headlines 04:36 <@shadow_rider> heh i don’t know if there would be enough activity all the time to have that work 04:37 <@shadow_rider> need to expand our player base! 04:37 -!- joes has joined #hardfought 04:37 <@cpittman> The themed headlines were hilarios 04:37 <@cpittman> *hilarious 04:37 <@joes5898> may I advertise my Twitch stream 04:38 <@shadow_rider> probably 04:38 <@cpittman> I don't think I have a vote, but yes. Unless it's trying to sell me anime characters that do anything other than clean my house. 04:39 <@cpittman> ... and maybe reenact classic American cartoons, like Simpsons or King of the Hill. 04:39 channel name is lexi_milk 04:40 [hdf-eu] [nh370] DoktorL (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 2 points, T:148, killed by a fox 04:41 <@cpittman> Are you playing right now? I'm just watching Married With Children on Hulu 04:41 <@cpittman> Two screens with nethack will look like I'm trying to hack the White House 04:42 [hdf-eu] [nh370] nmlkj (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 2041 points, T:2912, killed by a kobold lord, while fainted from lack of food 04:44 [hdf-eu] [nh370] DoktorL (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 231 points, T:1180, killed by a bat 04:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] killer (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 1271 points, T:3470, killed by a soldier ant 04:45 do you guys play with the pet or not? to me it's such a nuisance I mostly leave it on level 1 alone, does that make me a bad person? 04:48 you can also turn starting pets off entirely 04:48 ah, that's a good option, did not think about that 04:48 <@cpittman> I can barely keep them past the 1st level. One guy last week was able to take his to at least Moloch's Sanctum in nh4, but there were some changes to help pet survivability 04:49 cpittman: nah, but there’s a 5h VOD from friday 04:49 kinda hard to avoid being burdended without pet testing 04:49 <@cpittman> This run, one of the dogs I found got polymorphed into a black pudding. It got split so many times that it survived way past I thought it died. 04:50 I should start read-testing the 80zm scrolls. Then I can wear any armour 04:51 <@cpittman> It made it to the castle (no-teleport level) and managed to fall down a trap door. It split a few more times and made it a couple levels into hell. 04:52 <@cpittman> ... Fuck ... I just realized I genocided my pet. 04:52 hahaha 04:56 [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1466 (0:12:41) 04:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] killer (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 775 points, T:1797, killed by an imp 05:03 [hdf-eu] [nh370] nmlkj (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 147 points, T:153, killed by a small mimic 05:09 [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) rejected atheism by offering an ape corpse on an altar of Thoth, on T:3478 (0:26:11) 05:11 [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 2938 points, T:3637, killed by a snow ant 05:11 [hdf-eu] [nh370] DoktorL (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 3493 points, T:5199, quit 05:12 [hdf-us] [hackm] willisllama (Nec Orc Mal Cha) annihilated deeper ones on a level in The Gnomish Mines, on T:4410 (0:48:47) 05:12 [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 0 points, T:5, killed by an unsuccessful polymorph 05:16 [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1093 (0:04:08) 05:20 -!- anselmus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:26 [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 1904 points, T:2619, killed by an Uruk-hai 05:35 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Val Hum Fem Law) had a two-handed sword entrusted to her by Tyr, on T:9808 (1:57:45) 05:36 [hdf-eu] [nh370] nmlkj (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) murdered his faithful little dog, on T:1364 05:36 [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:2566 (0:10:34) 05:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] killer (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 4035 points, T:2894, poisoned by a rotted garter snake corpse 05:42 [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:3316 (0:16:10) 05:44 -!- joes has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.8] 05:45 <@fredriq> I think the best variant for pet using might be fiqhack 05:46 <@fredriq> I went out of my way to both make pets less frustrating to use, and to make them more useful 05:46 <@cpittman> That name makes you seem biased 05:46 <@fredriq> shhh 05:46 <@fredriq> I didn't mean to name my variant after myself 😛 05:47 <@fredriq> but when I forked it off github I needed to call it something 05:47 [hdf-eu] [nh370] hatlessfool (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) murdered her faithful kitten, on T:1005 05:47 <@fredriq> so I gave it that "temporary" name and called it a day 05:47 <@fredriq> I didn't come up with anything I liked better, so... 05:48 <@cpittman> I'm not technically a developer, but I do know that anything "temporary" will never die. 05:48 <@fredriq> hah, you're not wrong 05:49 [hdf-eu] [nh370] hatlessfool (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 405 points, T:1098, killed by an iguana 05:49 <@cpittman> I worked for a high-frequency trading company once and ended up supported a system whose last commit was around 2002. This was 2012, and that commit was because they switch version control. 05:50 <@cpittman> *supporting 05:50 <@cpittman> *switched 05:50 <@fredriq> anyway, wrt pets, what I did was: Pets can gain intrinsic resistances, including telepathy. And a telepathic mon can always see every other telepathic mon on the level. Pets can use basically all items, including things like spellbooks etc. Pets will seek out foes to attack them rather than rng pathing. Pets follow you more reliably. You have means to deal with level teleporting pets (scrolls of recall). Delayed instadeath are now truly delayed. Etc 05:51 <@cpittman> Everything is laggy right now because I haven't updated Gentoo in months and am currently emerging updates 05:53 <@cpittman> Do pets run away when they're hurt? It could be interesting in the future to have morale saves. Ex: dogs would probably fight to the death for their owner. Cats would run. 05:54 <@fredriq> They don't run away per se, but they stop pursuing foes when hurt 05:54 <@cpittman> Unless cats think they're hidden, in which case they pounce 05:55 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 05:55 [hdf-eu] [nh370] hatlessfool (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 168 points, T:487, killed by a fox 05:55 <@fredriq> There are measures in place since nh4 which fiqhack is based on, that arbitrarily increases Defense on pets that are very hurt to minimize pet deaths 05:55 <@fredriq> I want to get rid of this eventually 05:55 <@fredriq> when I can make pet AI deal with its own health carefully by itself 05:56 <@cpittman> Yeah. Increasing defense seems like a good short-term idea 05:56 <@cpittman> Like a quick-fix thing, but can be improved later 05:57 <@fredriq> my favorite pet behaviour in fiqhack, which I didn't intentionally add but makes perfect sense in hindsight, is that pet zombies create zombie armies 05:57 <@cpittman> But that also brings up the idea of fighting styles... 05:58 <@cpittman> Oh! Zombies was the thing that surprised me in that version. I fucking loved it. But also hated it. 05:58 <@cpittman> There was a zombie on the Medusa level and I had to kill her 4 times 05:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] killer (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:2349 05:58 <@fredriq> they're inspired from GruntHack zombies, but overhauled to be less frustrating 05:59 <@fredriq> in GruntHack, a single zombie hit will instantly give you fatal illness 05:59 <@cpittman> It was also hilarious to watch everyone in Mine Town fight off zombies 05:59 <@fredriq> and you can't see them in corridors w/o a light 06:00 <@fredriq> this makes optimal gh Z strats incredibly frustrating 06:00 <@fredriq> and they also resurrect like a million times 06:00 <@cpittman> Doesn't that also make it quicker to extinct them? 06:00 <@fredriq> in fiqhack, I kept zombification but made it less harsh, and replaced troll-style resurrection with a resurrection "aura" 06:01 <@cpittman> Wait, probably not, because Medusa kept coming back, so it'd be based on each specific monster 06:01 <@fredriq> zombies resurrect all corpses within a certain range, changing their allegiance to that of the zombie 06:02 <@fredriq> but if a resurrection has already happened, further ones only proc 10% of the time 06:02 <@fredriq> this reduces the frustration while keeping the spirit of zombie infestations 06:02 <@fredriq> which was the goal 06:03 <@fredriq> the resurrection aura in fiqhack is also responsible for how pet zombies create zombie armies 06:03 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Val Hum Fem Law) had a dagger entrusted to her by Tyr, on T:10900 (2:25:52) 06:03 <@cpittman> I know what to try when I do fiq again. 06:04 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of reflection, on T:9628 (5:02:12) 06:06 <@cpittman> The 1st run I did I made it to Astral, but I also made a pair of dexterity, warning, gloves of power (or something like that) 06:06 <@fredriq> the same resurrection aura also prevents zombification from going away on its own 06:07 <@fredriq> this was a later change because while I wanted to make zombification less of a concern than in GruntHack, I didn't want to make it harmless 06:07 <@fredriq> which it basically was in its initial implementation 06:07 <@fredriq> yeah I saw that 06:07 <@fredriq> iirc it was the speed boopts 06:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] killer (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) found Mjollnir on the floor, on T:3001 06:08 <@fredriq> looked at the dumplog 06:08 <@fredriq> also I liked the name you gave potions of wonder 😛 06:08 <@fredriq> "Wonder Beers" 06:09 [hdf-eu] [nh370] hatlessfool (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 330 points, T:1129, killed by a wererat 06:10 <@cpittman> Sorry, you're right: a blessed greased fireproof +5 pair of speed boots of stealth, power and dexterity 06:11 <@fredriq> not bad stuff at all 06:11 <@cpittman> I'm glad someone saw that joke and laughed. I think I wished for it a couple times. 06:11 <@cpittman> Yeah. It could have been a win if I'd worn a blindfold on the level. 06:12 <@cpittman> But really not bad for my 1st game in that variant. 06:12 <@fredriq> potions of wonder is arguably too strong, but meh, too fun to remove at this point lol 06:12 <@fredriq> you can drink them for random intrinsics too 06:12 <@fredriq> including weird shit like reflection or phasing 06:14 <@cpittman> Yeah, but you can also get really bad things, right? 06:14 <@fredriq> yes 06:14 <@fredriq> I think with an infinite supply of the potion, drinking them is optimal 06:15 <@cpittman> Gonna yolo the next fiq game. Drink all the Wonder Beers 06:15 <@fredriq> because the truly horrible ones like polymorphitis is mostly negated by other things like polymorph control 06:15 <@fredriq> but since you realistically only get like 10 of them at best if you spend a bunch of wishes... 06:16 <@fredriq> and stuff like stunned and confusion can be dealt with by unihorn 06:16 <@cpittman> My current game I didn't get a chance to attempt ascension for Junethack, so taking my time. Genocided 197 species. 06:16 <@fredriq> lol nice 06:17 <@fredriq> enjoy the Archonstorm 🙂 06:17 <@fredriq> honestly I dislike the 3.7 change to monster summoning 06:17 <@cpittman> I still have A BUNCH of food. and a lot of wands of create monster 06:17 <@fredriq> because it prevents Archonstorms 06:17 <@fredriq> meaning there's no longer a drawback to genociding a million stuff 06:17 <@cpittman> Gonna see how much I can still extinct 06:18 I mean there's a bunch of stuff that ignores extinction + the nastier stuff will just spawn normally 06:18 <@fredriq> one small idea I had for fiqhack 06:18 <@fredriq> was to, on top of already existing Archons 06:18 <@fredriq> add an always-peaceful neutral and chaotic that are hostile to crossaligned people 06:19 <@fredriq> that can't be genocided 06:19 <@fredriq> I considered arch-lich and 4k's deep ettins for those roles 06:19 <@fredriq> as a means of discouraging excessive genociding 06:20 <@cpittman> I'm worried that all the create monsters will just generate the creatures I haven't genocided, but might be useful (energy vortex and purple worm, especially) 06:20 <@cpittman> Fuck arch-lich and deep ettins 06:21 <@fredriq> 4k deep ettins are surprisingly mean 06:21 <@cpittman> I think it was that fiq run that an arch-lich somehow ended up on dungeon level 2 06:21 <@fredriq> I didn't expect it the first time I had to deal with them 06:21 <@fredriq> hits like a truck and iirc casts spells 06:22 <@fredriq> oh yeah I wanted to change how covetous-warping worked 06:23 <@fredriq> first, make it completely free and take no time 06:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] killer (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 5780 points, T:3496, killed by a soldier ant 06:23 <@cpittman> Yeah, that was the game. It was probably a chameleon or something, but I did not have the resources to check. 06:23 <@fredriq> then, only cause it to warp you to objects you covet, or as close as possible 06:23 <@fredriq> meaning that if there isn't anything you covet, you can't covetous-warp 06:24 <@cpittman> So like just emo monsters? 06:24 <@fredriq> (or if you already carry it) 06:24 <@fredriq> this would serve 2 purposes 06:24 [hdf-us] [nh13d] UmberConductor (Nin Mal), 9668 points, T:8210, demon 06:24 <@fredriq> 1: reduce annoyance of dealing with covetous-warping monsters (they can't warp to upstairs anymore) 06:25 best run to that point, threw on quaff-IDing a sickness pot that set me to min-str 06:25 <@fredriq> 2: balance the ability when used by the player 06:25 let's go again 06:25 <@fredriq> currently in fiqhack, covetous-warping is just a plain teleport that bypasses noteleport 06:25 <@fredriq> but for that to be balanced, I needed to heavily restrict it 06:26 <@fredriq> but it kinda makes the ability pointless, both for players and monsters 06:26 !PoM 06:26 APic: The moon is full for 4 more days. 06:26 \o 06:26 <@fredriq> note that players can only covet the Book of the Dead 06:27 <@fredriq> so you can't warp to the Amulet 😛 06:27 <@fredriq> however, you can do... other exciting things if I were to add these changes 06:27 <@fredriq> drop the book of the dead 06:27