00:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tog (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 5493 points, T:5682, killed by a killer bee 00:01 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in nine variants" unlocked by Phyban! 00:04 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:05 [hdf-us] [4k] Scatter (recuerdo) (Bar Dwa Mal Law) entered the Minetown temple, on T:1807 00:05 [hdf-au] [hackm] 9629 (Fla Elf Mal Law), 1356 points, T:2100, zombified by a human zombie, while frozen by a potion 00:06 [hdf-us] [4k] Scatter (recuerdo) (Bar Dwa Mal Law), 6576 points, T:1869, killed by a quantum mechanic 00:12 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:1885 (0:24:37) 00:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] vor (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:4086 00:12 hm, apparently freezing water squares with stuck items either gets rid of them or can't be seen properly by clairvoyance 00:13 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1428 points, T:1964, killed by a piranha 00:14 confirming it's the latter, detect treasure picks up the items as normal 00:14 [hdf-us] [4k] cpittman (Shi Val Fem Neu), 21750 points, T:14263, killed by a gas cloud 00:15 guessing it's the same logic as buried items, which I don't think are detected by clairvoyance 00:15 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 409 points, T:313, killed by a steel crossbow bolt 00:16 <@cpittman> Choking to death because you just ate an invisible stalker and couldn't walk out of a cloud is definitely a dumb way to die. 00:16 annoying that they aren't 00:16 submerged stuff shows up fine though 00:18 !lastgame cpittman 00:18 anselmus: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/c/cpittman/nhfourk/dumps/2023-06-27%2004%3A14%3A39%2C%20cpittman-Shi-Val-Fem-Neu%2C%20died.txt 00:19 [hdf-au] [hackm] 9629 (Nec Ith Mal Cha), 498 points, T:975, killed by a rabid rabbit 00:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tog (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 741 points, T:2470, killed by a pony 00:20 ah stunned 00:22 <@cpittman> Yeah. I ran into a stinking sphere, killed it, then ran into the stalker. Didn't realize there was another sphere 00:23 [hdf-us] [gnoll] Abdlabl (Arc Hum Fem Neu), 0 points, T:215, killed by a manes 00:23 <@cpittman> Worst part is, I'd just dipped into the quest level and took out a unicorn before getting swarmed by fire ants. I should've gone back to grab the horn as soon as I healed up 00:24 <@cpittman> Hmm, it says I didn't donate to any temples but I did in mine town. 00:24 only 3 days left to restore our HONOR 00:25 <@cpittman> My record for ascending is about 2 days. And that was on the 2nd day of June. šŸ˜„ 00:26 yeah not even sure why i'm still playing tbh lol 00:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] vor (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 2172 points, T:5096, killed by falling down a mine shaft 00:30 <@cpittman> I got to the astral plane in 2 variants for the 1st time in the last week 00:31 nice, what was the other one? 00:31 [hdf-us] [spl] willisllama (Dra Elf Fem Neu), 8115 points, T:12037, quit 00:32 [hdf-us] [xnh] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 35727 points, T:12792, killed by a giant zombie, while moving through the air 00:36 <@cpittman> Yesterday was FIQ, and last Monday was unnethack. I forgot to take food out of my bag as soon as I made it there and ended up passing out from hunger because Famine kept attacking 00:37 <@cpittman> Day before that I made it to the sanctum for the 1st time in unnethack and was immediately killed by a vorpal jabberwock 00:38 i believe un is on my boycott list 00:38 probably because of orctown 00:41 didn't have a range option for famine? 00:42 <@cpittman> I think I had everything, which means I had too much to choose from so didn't pick anything 00:43 [hdf-us] [nh4] Alice (flandre) (Sam Hum Fem Law), 29308 points, T:1679, killed by a gnome lord 00:43 i always mess up in some new way 00:49 -!- shadowrider38 has joined #hardfought 00:55 <@cpittman> Yeah, but that's a little better than realizing you couldn't have done anything. 00:55 <@cpittman> Like with the random green dragon I found in sokoban. If it had just killed me outright I would've been more pissed than if I stayed to fight it to the death 00:56 wand GET 00:57 the rng always makes sure you feel like an idiot 00:57 I always save a wand of death for famine and pestilence, and use paralysis on death. 00:58 para works now? 00:58 my general style is to play characters who can melee Death down in one round 00:58 it doesn't have much max HP 00:59 this isn't a suitable strategy for all builds, though 01:00 camera is great too 01:00 camera working is a bit surprising to me 01:01 paralysis works great 01:01 I never visit astral without it! 01:01 otoh death got a buff in 367 so you have to make it count 01:02 do you throw the !oPara, or wield it? 01:02 might even be able to one shot a weaker char 01:04 in fact i think my char that got one shotted by death was a bar with almost -40 01:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] arthur (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:5911 01:06 I wield it while wearing a ring of free action. 01:08 [hdf-us] [xnh] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) destroyed the invisible DragonSidedD's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:4687 01:11 -!- viryanah has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:11 [hdf-au] [hackm] 9629 (Sam Hum Mal Law) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:3126 (0:49:39) 01:13 [hdf-us] [nh343] anselmus (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "magic marker", on T:11009 01:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] vor (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:3346 01:18 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 01:25 -!- cathartes has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] vor (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 1635 points, T:4194, killed by a rabid rat 01:26 [hdf-us] [xnh] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming an ogre king, on T:6587 01:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] vor (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 602 points, T:515, killed by a rothe 01:34 [hdf-us] [nh4] Alice (flandre) (Sam Hum Fem Law), 35888 points, T:2194, killed by a carnivorous ape 01:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] killer (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 269 points, T:1863, killed by a gnome lord 01:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] killer (Tou Hum Fem Neu) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:602 01:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] arthur (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 5385 points, T:9934, killed by a soldier ant 01:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] vor (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 1542 points, T:730, killed by a wand 01:59 [hdf-us] [4k] cpittman (Shi Val Fem Neu) entered the Sokoban zoo, on T:6408 02:00 [hdf-us] [nh4] Alice (flandre) (Sam Hum Fem Law), 16852 points, T:976, killed by a gas spore's explosion 02:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] vor (Mon Hum Fem Cha) was bestowed with Stormbringer by Huan Ti, on T:542 02:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] killer (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 233 points, T:1165, killed by an arrow 02:11 [hdf-us] [4k] cpittman (Shi Val Fem Neu) received advice from The Oracle, on T:6947 02:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] killer (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 60 points, T:769, killed by a large mimic 02:16 <@cpittman> You read: "Nabru, killed by a gnome lord". 02:17 [hdf-us] [4k] cpittman (Shi Val Fem Neu) killed the ghost of Nabru, the former Wizard, on T:7149 02:19 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 02:19 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Tou Hum Fem Neu) polymorphed her first item, on T:40300 02:24 [hdf-us] [4k] cpittman (Shi Val Fem Neu) entered the Minetown temple, on T:7727 02:26 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Raisse (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 770 points, T:2163, killed by a wererat 02:29 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:40676 02:35 [hdf-us] [nh4] Alice (flandre) (Sam Hum Fem Law), 26844 points, T:1313, killed by a gnome king 02:36 [hdf-au] [hackm] 9629 (Sam Hum Mal Law), 5894 points, T:5175, killed by an owlbear 02:42 [hdf-au] [nh343] Mishka (Bar Orc Fem Cha) wished for "partly eaten chickatrice corpse", on T:63763 02:43 [hdf-us] [4k] cpittman (Shi Val Fem Neu) reached the bottom of the Mines, on T:8865 02:43 [hdf-au] [nh343] Mishka (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed Orcus, on T:63767 02:45 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 02:47 <@cpittman> Woo, ate invisible stalker on mine's end again, but didn't die while stunned this time 02:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] vor (Mon Hum Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:2733 02:53 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:00 [hdf-au] [hackm] 9629 (Nec Ith Fem Cha), 422 points, T:750, killed by a mountain dwarf 03:02 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 03:04 [hdf-au] [nh370] UmberConductor (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:82199 03:04 [hdf-au] [hackm] 9629 (Nec Ith Mal Cha), 30 points, T:200, killed by a rabbit 03:05 [hdf-au] [nh370] UmberConductor (Tou Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:82214 03:07 [hdf-au] [nh370] UmberConductor (Tou Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Voyager (level 22), on T:82223 03:07 [hdf-au] [hackm] 9629 (Nec Ith Mal Cha), 241 points, T:354, killed by a fox 03:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] vor (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 4374 points, T:3712, petrified by a cockatrice 03:09 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", got "a magic marker", on T:42009 03:11 Well, fuck. 03:11 [hdf-au] [nh370] UmberConductor (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 1478403 points, T:82392, drowned in a moat 03:13 [hdf-au] [hackm] 9629 (Nec Ith Mal Cha), 505 points, T:612, killed by a small mimic 03:13 [hdf-us] [4k] cpittman (Shi Val Fem Neu) became pious, on T:11226 03:13 [hdf-au] [hackm] 9629 (Nec Ith Mal Cha), 32 points, T:54, killed by a serval 03:20 -!- shadowrider38 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:20 Junethack: Achievement "Anti-Stoner: defeated Medusa in two variants" unlocked by UmberConductor! 03:23 [hdf-au] [nh370] UmberConductor (Kni Hum Fem Law) murdered Boris, her faithful pony, on T:1023 03:24 <@cpittman> Not Boris! 03:29 [hdf-us] [un] bismatum (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered Fort Ludios, on T:24614 (10:01:41) 03:34 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Tou Hum Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:42249 03:37 -!- joes has joined #hardfought 03:40 [hdf-au] [nh370] UmberConductor (Kni Hum Fem Law), 1414 points, T:2726, killed by a giant ant 03:46 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:49 [hdf-us] [4k] cpittman (Shi Val Fem Neu) wished for "blessed +3 shield of reflection called NO U!", on T:13348 03:55 -!- anselmus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] vor (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:2256 04:01 [hdf-us] [slshm] wsx9000 (Wiz Dop Fem Cha), 1544 points, T:853, killed by a giant beetle 04:08 -!- oh7 has joined #hardfought 04:09 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:09 -!- oh7 is now known as oh6 04:17 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 04:18 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] vor (Mon Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:3619 04:26 -!- APic has joined #hardfought 04:29 [hdf-us] [nh4] Alice (flandre) (Sam Hum Fem Law), 40414 points, T:3024, killed by a gnome lord 04:33 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 04:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] vor (Mon Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:4445 04:41 [hdf-au] [nh370] UmberConductor (Rog Orc Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a vampire lady, on T:4399 04:52 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:1764 (0:10:56) 04:53 [hdf-eu] [nh370] MalkMcJorma (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 352 points, T:521, killed by a little dog 04:53 [hdf-au] [evil] Orcranger (Kni Dro Fem Cha), 1240 points, T:1372, killed by a rope golem 04:56 [hdf-eu] [nh370] MalkMcJorma (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 283 points, T:455, killed by a giant bat 05:00 [hdf-eu] [nh370] MalkMcJorma (Pri Elf Fem Cha) murdered Blackfell, her faithful kitten, on T:393 05:01 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 3613 points, T:3390, poisoned by an orcish arrow 05:01 [hdf-eu] [nh370] MalkMcJorma (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 280 points, T:460, killed by a giant bat 05:03 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 24 points, T:133, killed by an exploding chest 05:12 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:1380 (0:09:25) 05:12 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] parasite (Cav Inc Fem Law) was given Hellrider's Saddle, on T:102882 05:13 -!- docpi has joined #hardfought 05:17 [hdf-eu] [nh370] MalkMcJorma (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 1120 points, T:1212, killed by a pony 05:17 -!- hackemslashem has joined #hardfought 05:21 [hdf-eu] [nh370] MalkMcJorma (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 173 points, T:363, killed by a small mimic 05:25 [hdf-eu] [nh370] MalkMcJorma (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 176 points, T:364, killed by a bat 05:28 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3473 (0:24:35) 05:39 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 9913 points, T:4828, killed by a sasquatch 05:41 [hdf-au] [nh370] UmberConductor (Rog Orc Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:10025 06:03 ...oh, sick. 06:04 [hdf-au] [nh370] UmberConductor (Rog Orc Fem Cha) made her first wish - "3 blessed scrolls of charging", got "a scroll labeled VELOX NEB", on T:11565 06:07 [hdf-au] [nh370] UmberConductor (Rog Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased +3 cloak of magic resistance", got "a greased opera cloak", on T:11572 06:12 Reduced luck, Umbire? 06:12 No? 06:12 Just standard odds of getting X amount of wished-for objects. 06:13 Well, yes, a WoW upon entering Sokoban, okay, but only one scroll of charging instead of three, and does the cloak really have +3? And why not wish for fixed along, to make it fireproof? 06:15 "When wishing for a stackable item, you may wish for more than one. If the amount you wish for is less than the roll of a d6, you get the desired amount; otherwise you get only one." 06:15 Now do you mind? 06:18 also wish for it greased!! 06:19 you can always put it greased an extra time or 10 06:20 [hdf-au] [nh370] UmberConductor (Rog Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed >>>***greased***<<< +3 cloak of magic resistance", got "a greased opera cloak", on T:11572 06:25 netsysfire likes it "greased greased greased greased" 06:25 lololol bold 06:26 Umbire: its not fixed 06:26 And? 06:26 bad! 06:26 ...And? 06:27 * NetSysFire reads a blessed scroll of fire, targets on Umbire 06:27 Like do you want me to simulate pissing and shitting and throwing up about it? 06:29 Interesting, Umbire, I imagine that the requirement for a roll pass below a certain threshold is in line with the AC system taken from DnD, where less is more? 06:29 ...it has nothing to do with AC. 06:30 Is it a type of "step over the line", "punish gluttony, and excess" philosophy? 06:30 I think you're seriously over thinking this. 06:36 Umbire, unrelated to AC, of course, but the idea of staying below a limit instead of surpassing it is the same. So I was wondering about the philosophy, and cultural background, that inspired, or maybe even compelled, the inventors of DnD to choose one direction over the other. 06:36 Ask someone else. 06:37 nethack descends from a computer program trying to bring DnD into the digital world, so it copied as much of the mechanics as it could, including the direction of random number results for successful events. 06:37 Oh, I was wondering in general. 06:38 (Psst, huge opportunity for a great pun going "I rather wish you'd do it in private." there.) 06:38 * docpi smiles brightly. 06:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 4 points, T:64, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 06:46 [hdf-us] [hackm] post163 (Yeo Hob Mal Law), 0 points, T:3, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 06:47 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Dra Elf Fem Neu), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled baby shimmering dragon 06:48 [hdf-us] [slth] post163 (Mus Nym Mal Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of fire 06:48 [hdf-us] [hackm] post163 (Yeo Hob Mal Law), 9 points, T:79, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 06:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 58 points, T:55, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 06:49 [hdf-us] [hackm] post163 (Yeo Hum Mal Neu), 124 points, T:45, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 06:50 [hdf-us] [un] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:24, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 06:50 [hdf-us] [hackm] post163 (Yeo Elf Mal Law), 9 points, T:30, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 06:50 <@post163> !who 06:50 @post163: [hdf-us] No current players :: [hdf-eu] Leeroy [dnh] DeVoid [xnh] parasite [ndnh] :: [hdf-au] UmberConductor [nh370] Serel [nh370] 06:50 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:6, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 06:51 [hdf-us] [xnh] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 11 points, T:21, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 07:07 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 07:12 -!- docpi has quit [Quit: paperwork!] 07:17 [hdf-au] [nh370] UmberConductor (Rog Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Sokoban amulet of reflection, on T:16033 07:19 [hdf-au] [nh370] UmberConductor (Rog Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed +3 blue dragon scale mail", got "a blue dragon scale mail", on T:16038 07:21 [hdf-au] [nh370] UmberConductor (Rog Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed bag of holding", got "a bag", on T:16083 07:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 07:21 [hdf-eu] [spl] post163 (Kni Dwa Mal Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 07:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:25, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 07:24 [hdf-eu] [xnh] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 0 points, T:69, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 07:24 [hdf-eu] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:4, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 07:31 -!- viryanah has joined #hardfought 07:33 [hdf-us] [nh13d] Qwesti (Hea Mal), 2058 points, T:3176, starvation 07:36 -!- nurdglaw has joined #hardfought 07:37 wheres ais gone 07:37 i found some stuff in 4k i wish to discuss. i even found a minor bug! 07:40 [hdf-us] [nh4] Alice (flandre) (Sam Hum Fem Law), 15308 points, T:930, killed by a magic missile 07:40 -!- Bleeko has joined #hardfought 07:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1140 points, T:1062, killed by a soldier ant 07:48 don't you want jonadab for that? 07:51 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:2076 (1:51:28) 07:53 [hdf-eu] [nh370] MalkMcJorma (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 125 points, T:297, killed by a dwarf king 07:54 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Kni Dwa Mal Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 07:55 [hdf-eu] [spl] post163 (Dra Dro Nbn Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by kicking a wall 07:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 598 points, T:1065, killed by a gnome 08:00 malor, did you get the pm? :) 08:00 oh I think it might be fixed (or I was blind when I tried it) :) 08:00 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:2389 (2:00:57) 08:05 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 08:05 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 08:05 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Wiz Dwa Fem Neu), 0 points, T:145, killed by an unsuccessful polymorph 08:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 116 points, T:135, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 08:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 4 points, T:14, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 08:07 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Kni Inf Nbn Law), 2 points, T:77, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 08:07 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Wiz Inf Mal Cha), 0 points, T:39, killed by a falling object 08:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (class @), on T:1 08:09 [hdf-eu] [nh370] MalkMcJorma (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 957 points, T:1420, killed by a little dog 08:21 [hdf-eu] [nh370] nurdglaw (Val Hum Fem Law), 3182 points, T:3690, killed by a gnome 08:23 -!- attie has joined #hardfought 08:24 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 08:25 -!- nurdglaw has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 08:31 -!- kewldewd has joined #hardfought 08:32 -!- kewldewd has quit [Client Quit] 08:32 [hdf-eu] [xnh] DeVoid (Rog Hum Mal Cha) attained the rank of Robber (level 14), on T:19294 08:32 -!- kewldewd has joined #hardfought 08:32 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Raisse (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 616 points, T:2515, killed by a water demon 08:33 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 08:36 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] parasite (Cav Inc Fem Law) killed the invisible Chromatic Dragon, on T:112232 08:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a scroll of genocide 08:38 [hdf-eu] [spl] post163 (Wiz Elf Nbn Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of cold 08:38 [hdf-au] [xnh] Tangles (Tou Hum Mal Neu) found the Platinum Yendorian Express Card on the floor, on T:22060 08:39 [hdf-us] [hackm] post163 (Wiz Vam Mal Cha) murdered his faithful pseudodragon, on T:1 (0:00:02) 08:40 [hdf-us] [4k] Skitter (recuerdo) (Shi Val Fem Neu) entered the Minetown temple, on T:2363 08:40 <@nabrurocks> !ping 08:40 @nabrurocks: Pong! 08:41 [hdf-au] [xnh] Tangles (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 158500 points, T:22094, killed by the Master of Thieves 08:42 <@nabrurocks> !lastgame tangles 08:42 @nabrurocks: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Tangles/dnethack/dumplog/1534858827.dnh.txt :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Tangles/gh/dumplog/1512993947.gh.txt :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Tangles/xnethack/dumplog/1687610773.xnh.html 08:42 [hdf-eu] [nh370] MalkMcJorma (Pri Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3307 08:43 [hdf-eu] [un] post163 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 735 points, T:671, killed by a gnome lord 08:43 <@malor> No, I didn't. Send it again while I am active šŸ™‚ 08:43 [hdf-eu] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 4 points, T:2, killed by a falling object 08:44 [hdf-eu] [hackm] post163 (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) annihilated illithids on a level in The Dungeons of Doom, on T:1 (0:00:03) 08:46 [hdf-eu] [nh370] MalkMcJorma (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 3841 points, T:3537, killed by a mumak 08:47 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:47 -!- perryprog has quit [Server closed connection] 08:48 -!- perryprog has joined #hardfought 08:49 Junethack: Achievement "Globetrotter: get a trophy in seven variants" unlocked by Tangles! 08:49 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in fifteen variants" unlocked by Tangles! 08:50 [hdf-eu] [nh370] MalkMcJorma (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 533 points, T:355, killed by a dwarf 08:51 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Raisse (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 415 points, T:1821, killed by a kitten 08:57 -!- kewldewd has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:58 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 7400 points, T:4225, killed by a leocrotta 08:58 [hdf-eu] [nh370] MalkMcJorma (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 494 points, T:900, killed by a gnome 09:01 [hdf-eu] [hackm] mobileuser (Pir Hum Mal Neu), 1958 points, T:2794, killed by a kobold lord 09:02 [hdf-eu] [nh370] MalkMcJorma (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 380 points, T:485, killed by a gnome lord 09:09 -!- viryanah has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:10 [hdf-us] [hackm] post163 (Wiz Vam Mal Cha), 40 points, T:1, killed by a scroll of earth 09:11 [hdf-us] [4k] Skitter (recuerdo) (Shi Val Fem Neu), 12189 points, T:5146, killed by a gnome, while fainted from lack of food 09:11 [hdf-au] [spl] Tangles (Bar Orc Mal Cha) read a Discworld novel, on T:2131 09:14 [hdf-eu] [hackm] post163 (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a scroll of annihilation 09:17 [hdf-eu] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) murdered his faithful kitten, on T:1 09:22 [hdf-eu] [nh370] MalkMcJorma (Pri Elf Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:1756 09:23 [hdf-au] [spl] Tangles (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 2141 points, T:2855, killed by a soldier ant 09:24 [hdf-eu] [nh370] MalkMcJorma (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 1270 points, T:2068, killed by a rabid rat, while frozen by a floating eye's gaze 09:26 [hdf-eu] [nh370] MalkMcJorma (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 279 points, T:170, killed by a jackal 09:26 -!- viryanah has joined #hardfought 09:27 [hdf-eu] [nh370] xororand (Pri Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2432 09:28 Junethack: Achievement "Globetrotter: get a trophy in eight variants" unlocked by Tangles! 09:28 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in sixteen variants" unlocked by Tangles! 09:30 -!- viryanah has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:31 [hdf-eu] [nh370] MalkMcJorma (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 148 points, T:419, killed by a small mimic 09:38 [hdf-eu] [nh370] MalkMcJorma (Pri Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:820 09:38 [hdf-eu] [nh370] xororand (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 3062 points, T:4176, killed by a fire ant 09:39 [hdf-eu] [nh370] MalkMcJorma (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 651 points, T:1031, killed by a giant rat 09:40 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 10824 points, T:13477, killed by a dagger 09:41 -!- Hekik has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:42 [hdf-us] [4k] Crispy (recuerdo) (Shi Val Fem Neu) entered the Minetown temple, on T:3539 09:42 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Leeroy (Ana Inc Mal Cha) killed the first wraithworm, on T:22635 09:42 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a system shock 09:43 -!- Hekik has joined #hardfought 09:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:9, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 09:44 [hdf-au] [un] Tangles (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered Minetown, on T:2330 (0:17:41) 09:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 49 points, T:46, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 09:45 [hdf-au] [un] Tangles (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered a shop, on T:2366 (0:18:05) 09:45 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:45 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 113 points, T:96, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 09:46 [hdf-au] [un] Tangles (Sam Hum Mal Law), 2109 points, T:2421, killed by a Green-elf, while sleeping 09:46 harsh 09:47 Elves never sleep ... 09:47 [hdf-eu] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 20 points, T:1, caught himself in his own ball of lightning 09:51 -!- krm26 has joined #hardfought 09:53 [hdf-au] [un] post163 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 878 points, T:1179, killed by a warg 09:56 [hdf-eu] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 0 points, T:30, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 09:56 [hdf-eu] [nh370] MalkMcJorma (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 1539 points, T:1684, killed by a gnome king 09:57 [hdf-eu] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 7 points, T:53, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 09:57 Junethack: Achievement "Globetrotter: get a trophy in nine variants" unlocked by Tangles! 09:57 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in seventeen variants" unlocked by Tangles! 09:57 [hdf-au] [hackm] 9629 (Nec Ith Mal Cha), 4988 points, T:4241, killed by a Woodland-elf 09:59 [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 15225 points, T:706, killed by a water moccasin 10:02 [hdf-us] [xnh] Gouhan (Sam Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2591 10:08 -!- Hekik has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:09 -!- Hekik has joined #hardfought 10:12 [hdf-au] [nh343] Tangles (Bar Orc Mal Cha) retrieved the Mine's End luckstone, on T:2321 10:15 [hdf-au] [nh343] Tangles (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 10059 points, T:2596, killed by a Green-elf 10:16 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Dra Hum Nbn Cha), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled baby green dragon 10:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 2 points, T:16, slipped while mounting a saddled pony called Twilight Sparkle 10:17 [hdf-us] [xnh] Gouhan (Sam Hum Mal Law) became literate by engraving "abc", on T:3598 10:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 61 points, T:244, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 10:25 docpi: ā€œpress your luckā€ is a common game mechanic 10:25 what would ā€œthe other directionā€ be? 10:26 Junethack: Achievement "Globetrotter: get a trophy in ten variants" unlocked by Tangles! 10:26 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in eighteen variants" unlocked by Tangles! 10:26 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 1226 points, T:1051, killed by a gnome, while frozen by a potion 10:26 -!- Guest66 has joined #hardfought 10:26 -!- Guest66 has quit [Client Quit] 10:27 -!- Guest93 has joined #hardfought 10:27 [hdf-eu] [spl] post163 (Kni Dwa Mal Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 10:28 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:28 [hdf-eu] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 2 points, T:44, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 10:29 [hdf-eu] [spl] post163 (Kni Inf Fem Law), 6 points, T:54, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 10:33 -!- Guest93 has quit [Quit: Client closed] 10:33 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a sonic beam 10:33 [hdf-us] [xnh] Gouhan (Sam Hum Mal Law), 2250 points, T:5017, quit 10:33 [hdf-us] [ace] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 8964 points, T:55, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 10:33 [hdf-us] [xnh] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 10:34 [hdf-us] [nh4] sdl (post163) (Kni Hum Mal Law), 1738 points, T:32, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 10:34 [hdf-us] [nh4] sdfl (post163) (Kni Hum Mal Law), 2129 points, T:25, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 10:34 Junethack: Achievement "Globetrotter: get a trophy in eleven variants" unlocked by Tangles! 10:34 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in nineteen variants" unlocked by Tangles! 10:35 [hdf-us] [nh4] DSFl (post163) (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 10:38 [hdf-us] [un] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 177 points, T:465, slipped while mounting a saddled horse 10:39 [hdf-us] [un] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 45 points, T:35, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 10:39 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:39 [hdf-us] [un] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:2, fell into a pit 10:40 [hdf-us] [un] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 226 points, T:116, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 10:40 [hdf-us] [un] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 99 points, T:95, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 10:41 [hdf-us] [un] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 374 points, T:261, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 10:42 [hdf-us] [un] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 307 points, T:158, killed by a magic missile 10:42 [hdf-us] [un] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 64 points, T:50, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 10:43 [hdf-us] [un] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 123 points, T:47, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 10:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Tou Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased bag of holding", got "a greased bag", on T:16611 10:44 [hdf-us] [un] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 150 points, T:331, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 10:44 [hdf-us] [un] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 10:44 [hdf-us] [ace] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 10:45 [hdf-us] [nh4] lasfd (post163) (Kni Hum Fem Law), 6232 points, T:110, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 10:45 [hdf-us] [fh] SFl (post163) (Kni Dwa Fem Law), 2833 points, T:92, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 10:46 [hdf-us] [dyn] sdfl (post163) (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of lightning 10:46 [hdf-us] [nh4] adfsl (post163) (Kni Hum Mal Law), 10384 points, T:95, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 10:46 [hdf-eu] [spl] joes (Con Dwa Nbn Cha) murdered Nicodemus, their faithful giant rat, on T:2017 10:47 [hdf-us] [dyn] lafd (post163) (Kni Hum Fem Law), 104 points, T:143, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 10:48 [hdf-us] [slshm] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 10:48 [hdf-eu] [spl] joes (Con Dwa Nbn Cha), 1032 points, T:2220, killed by a ratman squeaker 10:48 [hdf-us] [ndnh] post163 (Nob Inc Fem Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 10:48 [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the ghost of anselmus, the former Thaumaturge, on T:2233 10:49 [hdf-us] [dnh] post163 (Nob Hum Mal Neu), 445 points, T:236, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 10:50 [hdf-us] [gh] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 300 points, T:107, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 10:50 [hdf-us] [xnh] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 3 points, T:5, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 10:51 [hdf-us] [hackm] post163 (Yeo Hum Mal Neu), 109 points, T:162, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 10:51 [hdf-us] [sp] bleeko (Bar Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:14495 10:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 9 points, T:87, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 10:51 [hdf-us] [nh343] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:4, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 10:59 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:4302 (1:01:46) 11:00 [hdf-eu] [hackm] post163 (Yeo Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:1, killed by kicking a wall 11:00 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed Gollum, on T:4476 (1:03:04) 11:01 what button do I press for luck 11:01 -!- Hekik has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:01 alt+O 11:02 [hdf-eu] [spl] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 109 points, T:201, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 11:04 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Inf Hum Fem Una) polymorphed her first object, on T:9534 (4:03:55) 11:06 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) became literate by reading a book, on T:4826 (1:09:01) 11:07 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Inf Hum Fem Una), 20763 points, T:9549, killed by a stone golem 11:20 -!- Hekik has joined #hardfought 11:22 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Kni Dwa Nbn Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 11:22 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Dra Hum Nbn Neu), 4 points, T:11, slipped while mounting a saddled baby white dragon 11:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 7 points, T:49, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 11:26 [hdf-eu] [hackm] post163 (Yeo Hum Mal Neu), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 11:26 <@post163> !rng Kni Dra Yeo Nob 11:26 @post163: Nob 11:27 [hdf-eu] [dnh] post163 (Nob Hum Mal Cha), 77 points, T:26, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 11:28 [hdf-eu] [un] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 50 points, T:44, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 11:36 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:6572 (1:38:58) 11:46 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Superfly (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 2866 points, T:2593, killed by a gnome lord 11:51 -!- Sgeo has joined #hardfought 11:54 [hdf-us] [hackm] post163 (Yeo Elf Mal Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 11:59 [hdf-eu] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 12:01 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 2301 points, T:2385, killed by a giant cockroach 12:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 4 points, T:61, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 12:01 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Wiz Vam Mal Cha) performed his first annihilation (vampires), on T:1 12:03 [hdf-eu] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 120 points, T:215, killed by a jackal 12:04 [hdf-eu] [spl] post163 (Wiz Dwa Mal Neu), 192 points, T:222, killed by a system shock 12:07 -!- terrapin has quit [Quit: Cheers!] 12:08 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:86670 (1 day, 4:04:53) 12:09 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Val Hum Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:86692 (1 day, 4:05:36) 12:18 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Baphomet, on T:87113 (1 day, 4:15:13) 12:20 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:1838 (0:16:58) 12:26 -!- anselmus has joined #hardfought 12:32 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Wiz Vam Mal Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a scroll of annihilation 12:32 [hdf-us] [xnh] arrow (Ran Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:2656 12:35 [hdf-eu] [spl] post163 (Wiz Hum Nbn Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a system shock 12:35 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Inf Hum Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:1636 (0:47:24) 12:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] Leggman (Val Dwa Fem Law) was bestowed with Mjollnir by Tyr, on T:2761 12:40 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:40 [hdf-us] [xnh] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 11643 points, T:6588, quit 12:41 [hdf-us] [nh13d] Qwesti (Cav Mal), 4508 points, T:3758, cockatrice cadaver 12:45 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:88166 (1 day, 4:42:23) 12:50 [hdf-us] [nh4] hothraxxa (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 22128 points, T:2235, killed by a large mimic 12:50 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Inf Hum Fem Una), 2620 points, T:2416, poisoned by a rotted gnome noble corpse, while praying 12:51 -!- bouquet has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:52 -!- nurdglaw has joined #hardfought 12:53 -!- bouquet has joined #hardfought 12:54 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:2706 (0:50:37) 12:54 [hdf-us] [xnh] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2710 12:55 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 12:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] Nunnullus (Arc Hum Mal Law), 444 points, T:1452, killed by a crossbow bolt 12:58 [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Tou Hum Fem Neu) averted death, on T:10397 12:58 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:03 -!- shadowrider38 has joined #hardfought 13:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] Nunnullus (Arc Hum Mal Law), 200 points, T:1152, killed by a crossbow bolt 13:06 [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 46804 points, T:11098, killed by a warhorse 13:07 [hdf-us] [fh] Qi (krm26) (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 24607 points, T:855, quit 13:08 [hdf-us] [xnh] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 6857 points, T:4358, killed by a leocrotta 13:15 [hdf-us] [evil] inlawBiker (Val Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +2 frost brand", on T:2294 (0:29:07) 13:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Nunnullus (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1001 points, T:827, killed by a potion of acid 13:24 [hdf-us] [xnh] merget (Val Hum Fem Law), 34350 points, T:19906, quit 13:25 [hdf-us] [xnh] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 3 points, T:7, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 13:25 [hdf-us] [fh] l (post163) (Kni Dwa Fem Law), 7457 points, T:55, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 13:25 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:40, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 13:26 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Kni Hum Nbn Law), 3 points, T:38, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 13:26 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 13:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 0 points, T:57, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 13:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Flench (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) destroyed vor's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:1536 13:30 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2219 (0:13:39) 13:30 -!- ais523 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] Leggman (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by engraving "Elbeeth", on T:6451 13:32 [hdf-us] [xnh] arrow (Ran Hum Mal Neu), 2922 points, T:4857, killed by a fire ant 13:33 -!- fakepass has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:33 [hdf-eu] [nh370] nurdglaw (Val Hum Fem Law), 597 points, T:1604, killed by a homunculus, while frozen by a floating eye's gaze 13:34 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 13:34 [hdf-eu] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 465 points, T:1472, killed by a giant bat 13:35 [hdf-us] [gh] oh6 (Val Elf Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed dragonhide cloak of magic resistance and brilliance", on T:9939 13:37 [hdf-us] [gh] oh6 (Val Elf Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed dragonhide +3 water walking boots of speed", on T:9943 13:37 -!- ais523 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:39 [hdf-us] [gh] oh6 (Val Elf Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed yellow dragon scale mail of drain resistance", on T:9951 13:39 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 13:39 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a bone orcish helm on an altar, on T:3166 (0:22:31) 13:41 [hdf-us] [gh] oh6 (Val Elf Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased bag of holding", on T:10061 13:41 [hdf-us] [xnh] arrow (Ran Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:12 13:43 [hdf-us] [evil] inlawBiker (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:4585 (0:57:30) 13:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tog (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 5764 points, T:6982, killed by a plains centaur 13:45 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:6809 (1:42:04) 13:46 [hdf-us] [evil] inlawBiker (Val Hum Fem Law), 5089 points, T:4782, killed by an Uruk-hai 13:47 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 338 points, T:1094, killed by a large spider 13:51 -!- kewldewd has joined #hardfought 13:53 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 13:57 -!- ais523 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:57 [hdf-us] [hackm] post163 (Yeo Elf Mal Neu), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 13:58 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 14:01 [hdf-us] [hackm] willisllama (Pir Hum Mal Neu), 1474 points, T:1288, quit 14:04 -!- oh7 has joined #hardfought 14:04 -!- oh6 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:04 -!- oh7 is now known as oh6 14:05 [hdf-eu] [un] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 14:05 -!- ais523 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:10 [hdf-us] [hackm] post163 (Yeo Elf Mal Law), 0 points, T:4, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 14:16 [hdf-eu] [un] rainyrat (Val Hum Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1857 (0:06:57) 14:16 [hdf-us] [un] bismatum (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered the Town, on T:31573 (13:57:34) 14:18 [hdf-us] [hackm] willisllama (Pir Hum Mal Neu), 1461 points, T:2676, killed by a gnome lord 14:19 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 14:20 [hdf-eu] [un] rainyrat (Val Hum Fem Law) entered Minetown, on T:2571 (0:10:50) 14:21 [hdf-us] [hackm] willisllama (Pir Hum Mal Neu), 416 points, T:584, killed by a rabbit 14:22 [hdf-us] [hackm] willisllama (Pir Hum Mal Neu), 64 points, T:46, killed by a jackal 14:22 [hdf-eu] [un] rainyrat (Val Hum Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:2746 (0:13:05) 14:22 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:5058 (1:06:09) 14:23 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 497 points, T:1274, zombified by a diseased kobold corpse, while helpless 14:23 [hdf-us] [xnh] merget (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 2179 points, T:1856, quit 14:24 [hdf-us] [hackm] willisllama (Pir Hum Mal Neu), 196 points, T:254, killed by a kobold 14:24 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Dra Hum Fem Neu), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled baby black dragon 14:25 [hdf-us] [xnh] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 53 points, T:147, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 14:25 [hdf-eu] [un] rainyrat (Val Hum Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:3237 (0:16:06) 14:26 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Bar Inf Fem Cha), 161 points, T:681, killed by a large mimic 14:26 [hdf-us] [hackm] willisllama (Pir Hum Mal Neu), 525 points, T:388, killed by a hobbit 14:27 [hdf-eu] [dyn] Baba Jaga (engelson) (Val Dwa Fem Law), 18156 points, T:15195, killed by Lord Surtur, while sleeping 14:29 [hdf-us] [un] post163 (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 585 points, T:1416, killed by a rabid rat 14:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) murdered her faithful kitten, on T:1 14:31 [hdf-us] [evil] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 11680 points, T:5795, killed by a baby silver dragon 14:32 -!- kewldewd has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:35 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8370 (2:31:46) 14:36 -!- ais523 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:37 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 14:37 [hdf-eu] [un] rainyrat (Val Hum Mal Law) had Excalibur thrown at them by some watery tart, on T:4957 (0:28:25) 14:39 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had a steel short sword entrusted to her by Odin, on T:8588 (2:36:15) 14:41 [hdf-eu] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 14:41 [hdf-eu] [un] rainyrat (Val Hum Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:6082 (0:32:25) 14:42 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 14:42 [hdf-us] [hackm] willisllama (Pir Hum Mal Neu), 2583 points, T:2348, killed by a parrot 14:42 [hdf-us] [nh4] hothraxxa (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 38378 points, T:7924, killed by a fire ant 14:44 [hdf-eu] [nh370] nmlkj (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 143 points, T:483, killed by a land mine 14:45 [hdf-eu] [un] rainyrat (Val Hum Mal Law) entered the Big Room, on T:6443 (0:35:38) 14:45 [hdf-us] [ndnh] inlawBiker (Arc Hum Mal Law), 6665 points, T:2542, killed by a bugbear 14:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] Nunnullus (Arc Hum Mal Law), 39 points, T:286, killed by a water demon 14:48 -!- joes has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:48 [hdf-eu] [un] rainyrat (Val Hum Mal Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon him by Tyr, on T:6851 (0:39:08) 14:50 [hdf-eu] [un] rainyrat (Val Hum Mal Law) averted death (invisible arch-lich), on T:7430 (0:41:05) 14:51 [hdf-eu] [un] rainyrat (Val Hum Mal Law), 12494 points, T:7669, killed by a winter wolf cub 14:54 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in six variants" unlocked by inlawbiker! 14:54 Junethack: Achievement "Globetrotter: get a trophy in eleven variants" unlocked by hothraxxa! 14:54 [hdf-eu] [nh370] nmlkj (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 1273 points, T:1741, killed by a Mordor orc 14:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] Nunnullus (Arc Hum Mal Law), 208 points, T:1226, killed by a water moccasin 14:57 [hdf-us] [dnh] lynnwashere (Hdr-Pri Dro Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1208 14:57 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had a leather armor entrusted to her by Odin, on T:9028 (2:54:11) 14:57 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 14:58 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Inf Hum Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:2036 (0:56:32) 15:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 20 points, T:1, caught herself in her own ball of lightning 15:00 [hdf-eu] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by an unsuccessful polymorph 15:01 [hdf-eu] [dyn] l (post163) (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 4 points, T:6, killed by a jackal 15:01 [hdf-eu] [dyn] dfsl (post163) (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 15:02 [hdf-eu] [nh370] post163 (Hea Hum Fem Neu) murdered her faithful little dog, on T:1 15:02 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Dhl-Hea Dro Fem Neu) killed Axus, on T:12254 15:02 [hdf-eu] [nh370] nmlkj (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) murdered his faithful kitten, on T:1339 15:03 that was scary, got cornered by a floating eye 15:03 [hdf-eu] [nh370] nmlkj (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 553 points, T:1742, killed by a fog cloud, while frozen by a floating eye's gaze 15:03 and had to attack it like 3 times and get paralyzed 15:03 [hdf-eu] [nh370] post163 (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 146 points, T:404, killed by a hobbit 15:03 (too early-game to have ranged options against it) 15:03 [hdf-eu] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 0 points, T:8, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 15:04 E will make them flee but obviously will take a while 15:06 yes, was down the end of a sufficiently long corridor that I'd risk starving if I tried that 15:06 also, I am trying to play this tournament mostly Elberethless (with the exception of AceHack, where '.' writes Elbereth and it's too easy to do by mistake) 15:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] Nunnullus (Arc Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:66, killed by a sewer rat 15:06 <@post163> !who 15:06 @post163: [hdf-us] anselmus [nh343] Tog [nh370] lynnwashere [dnh] Som [dnh] arrow [xnh] post163 [spl] KrO2 [slshm] tinklebear [evil] Nightsorrow [evil] Abdlabl [gnoll] :: [hdf-eu] ais523 [nh343] Superfly [nh370] XYS [nh370] post163 [spl] Graznop [evil] mobileuser [hackm] :: [hdf-au] No current players 15:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] Nunnullus (Arc Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:46, burned by molten lava 15:08 the humble floating eye that has confounded so many 15:08 just for the record, i managed to ascend all 13 roles in acehack without ever writing elbereth 15:09 does AceHack have rebindable keys? I know NH4 does 15:09 i didn't rebind the keys 15:09 or, are you counting heptagrams as separate from Elbereth? 15:09 or is it just good muscle memory 15:09 nope. i don't use such shenanigans 15:09 is it easier in ace? 15:09 fwiw, after going from AceHack to 3.7, I found myself trying to wait in-combat with 's' 15:09 my muscle memory is treacherous but somehow i did it 15:09 same re: elberethless 15:10 which needs to be confirmed in 3.7 15:10 I hate that 3.7 makes that change 15:10 yeah 3.7 really messed that up imo 15:10 as someone who uses s because of dnh 15:10 (eurynome taboo is waiting on . so you just learn to always wait on s instead) 15:10 what does . do in dnh? 15:10 [hdf-eu] [nh343] ais523 (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:3562 15:11 potentially unbind eurynome 15:11 ah right, a taboo 15:11 i know some people consider this insane but i always turn on rest_on_space 15:11 I like the balance NH4 strikes: there are wait, search, and Elbereth commands, and you can bind them where you like (default bindings '.', 's', 'Ctrl-E'), also searching won't wake mimics 15:12 what about statue traps? 15:12 (searching rather than waiting still has a niche downside: it can reveal a secret door, allowing monsters to open it and appraoch from a new direciton) 15:12 I guess thats less of a big deal there 15:12 I'm not sure whether I changed statue traps 15:12 in dnh I regularly get fucked by waiting on s in oonas tower 15:12 as it awakens the statues sitting on the traps 15:13 lol i've done that with shop mimics 15:13 there's no way to suppress automatic searching, so that can wake them too 15:13 i like how s in gnollhack while standing on a trap is the equivalent of #untrap 15:13 why doesn't the nh4 elbereth command use an athame if available? 15:13 yeah auto searching is also a pain there 15:13 I would hate that hothraxxa 15:13 Noisytoot: complications related to BCU 15:14 you don't have to use it 15:14 I wait on s. if they change how waiting on s works, I don't like em 15:14 i don't think many people even know about it 15:14 is it a configurable option? 15:15 i don't know, i like it and use it all the time 15:15 #untrap when it fails will make you trigger the trap again and I don't want that to happen just cause I'm waiting and happen to be on a trap 15:16 * ais523 drops the large box 15:16 I picked it up to artificially reduce carry cap so that I could identify a bag (and the bag was indeed holding) 15:16 but then forgot to drop it afterwards 15:16 i don't know what you mean demo. s will simply tell you the trap is there and ask if you want to investigate it further 15:16 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 15:17 ah, ok so it won't attempt the untrap silently 15:17 no 15:17 that still sounds annoying 15:18 [hdf-us] [xnh] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 62 points, T:102, killed by a fox 15:18 * anselmus has only found reasons to boycott variants not play them 15:20 [hdf-us] [dyn] jmc (jmcunx) (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 369 points, T:1043, killed by a crossbow bolt 15:22 you mean skill issues? /hj 15:22 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in sixteen variants" unlocked by jmcunx! 15:23 [hdf-us] [dnh] lynnwashere (Pri Dro Mal Neu), 47885 points, T:6908, killed by an invisible chuul 15:24 3.7's early game seems grindier to me than 3.4.3, but it may be that there are just strategies I'm missing 15:24 Umbire: me? no i found plenty to hate that did not involve skill 15:25 hence the /half-joking 15:25 <@shadow_rider> like the original version variants are not perfect 15:26 <@shadow_rider> especially ones that are not so actively developed anymore 15:27 yeah their age can show awful fast 15:27 I'm still confused about whether I'm supposed to fix bugs in AceHack or not, if they've been fixed in NH4 15:29 just not enough playtesting would be my guess 15:29 I feel like vanilla doesn't get enough playtesting for balance 15:29 i get that they were trying to make the game harder/more fun/exciting etc 15:29 ais523: there's a reall annoying bug in acehack with pets picking up stuff and never dropping it 15:29 +y 15:29 it gets lots of playtesting for bugs, but balance issues are the sort of thing players are reluctant to report, and devteam members are reluctant to act on, because they're subjective 15:30 @v? wraith 15:30 wraith (W) | Lvl: 6 | Diff: 8 | Spd: 12 | Res: cold sleep poison petrification drain | Confer: nothing | MR: 15 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 4 | Atk: 1d6 touch level drain | Align: -6 | genocidable, flies, breathless, unsolid, undead, stalker, passes-bars 15:30 usually something you want too 15:30 its not even clear where vanilla is trying to go with a lot of the changes, if they are part of some big long term plan or what 15:30 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Bar Inf Fem Cha), 304 points, T:1051, killed by a wererat 15:30 if they are building groundwork for Bigger Things 15:30 there is no big long term plan 15:30 at least, not in the devteam as a whole 15:30 some individual devs may have their own visions 15:31 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Wiz Elf Nbn Neu), 0 points, T:1, shot themself with a death ray 15:31 <@shadow_rider> how much does the dev team discuss changes? 15:31 ais523: I'd just leave it alone unless it is a crash that keeps someone for ascending. Just play the ball as it lays. 15:31 <@shadow_rider> or does everyone kind of do their own thing 15:31 basically the way it works is that any devteam member can make changes unilaterally, but shouldn't unless they think the other devs will agree 15:31 <@shadow_rider> huh interesting 15:32 [hdf-us] [xnh] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) was bestowed with Sting by Huan Ti, on T:2156 15:32 so there are sometimes "I'm planning to do something controversial" emails but they're fairly rare, people mostly stick to bugfixes because they're easier 15:32 you would think they'd at least care about changes that have proven to be very unpopular 15:32 and when someone *does* do something controversial, often the other devs aren't interested in going through the effort to object/complain 15:32 <@shadow_rider> lol 15:32 also the definition of "controversial" is a bit weird here, there are some things that devs care about which almost everyone in the community thinks are irrelevant 15:33 * Bleeko thinks about a rotate soko 45 deg patch 15:33 [hdf-us] [xnh] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2609 15:33 and vice versa, possibly 15:33 Bleeko: I seriously considered that at one point because it'd let you make a wall-checkerboard and get rid of the special rules for moving diagonally in Sokoban 15:33 but it isn't intuitive and looks really ugly 15:33 LOL! 15:33 so it'd probably make the game worse, even if the increase in consistency is appealing 15:34 orctown is universally hated and objectively adds nothing to the game 15:34 i disagree 15:34 "universally" 15:34 [hdf-us] [xnh] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 3133 points, T:2763, killed by a watch captain 15:34 [hdf-eu] [spl] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 15:34 i like orctown. guaranteed altar I can use 15:34 and tons of monsters i can sacrifice 15:34 who likes flipped sokoban? 15:34 no one 15:34 I personally also hate orctown; I understand the reason for adding it was to make the protection racket a(n even) less reliable strategy 15:34 <@shadow_rider> i like orctown 15:34 as if altars aren't guaranteed lol 15:34 <@shadow_rider> and flipped soko 15:35 and if they do, they are damaged 15:35 <@shadow_rider> :) 15:35 well jot me down as damaged then, I like adapting muscle memory 15:35 fine, you guys are soo awesome at nethack i bow to your superior opinion 15:35 there's always an outlier 15:36 any change to Sokoban, including leaving it alone, will annoy more than half of the NetHack community 15:36 anselmus, some variants have made tweaks to orctown to make it more... pleasing to the majority of players 15:36 but there are three main factions related to Sokoban, and flipping it annoys two of them whilst not improving things for the third 15:36 <@shadow_rider> i donā€™t think the opinions of us players matters a whole lot unless the dev team prioritizes it (which hopefully they do at least a little) as itā€™s not our game 15:36 so it's even more unpopular than most Sokoban changes are 15:37 @shadow_rider: I care about it, but my feeling is that I'm an exception 15:37 i think what made soko special is the meta aspect not the puzzle 15:37 also anselmus, none of us are 'sooo awesome'. except for bhaak, he is perfect in every way 15:37 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 986 points, T:1652, killed by hallucinogen-distorted Gollum 15:37 there are some potentially controversial changes I made without discussing first because the thing I was changing away from was so unpopular 15:37 <@shadow_rider> we appreciate you ais :)) 15:37 the 3.6.0 speed mechanics, for example 15:37 the hard part is respecting the vision of the original change 15:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 378 points, T:1540, killed by a giant bat, while fainted from lack of food 15:38 [hdf-eu] [nh370] XYS (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the Master of Thieves, on T:27993 15:38 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Kni Hum Nbn Law), 3 points, T:33, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 15:38 [hdf-eu] [nh370] XYS (Tou Hum Mal Neu) found the Platinum Yendorian Express Card on the floor, on T:27995 15:38 anselmus if you wanted, you can build your own local copy of nethack and have orctown removed, and play that 15:38 [hdf-eu] [nh370] XYS (Tou Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:27995 15:39 <@shadow_rider> whenā€™s the EPI of orctown having a chance of being orcustown getting brought in 15:39 <@shadow_rider> that seems hilarious to me 15:39 like, the 3.6.0 speed change was intended to destroy melee kiting as a strategy, so I designed the new speed mechanics to make it even more impossible, whilst removing the thing that let monsters double-turn the player 15:39 or take it a step further - put that copy online and make it a public server and bill it as 'nethack sans orctown' 15:39 lol why when there's a perfectly good 343 on hdf 15:39 :) 15:39 we just need that to be the default at tnnt 15:39 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Bar Inf Fem Cha), 793 points, T:1747, killed by a rabid rat 15:40 [hdf-eu] [nh370] nmlkj (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 1047 points, T:1734, killed by a giant mimic 15:40 tnnt will stay as close to vanilla nethack as possible. i'd love to remove the mysterious force but nope 15:40 <@shadow_rider> anselmus start a new tournament superior to tnnt and junethack 15:41 <@shadow_rider> isnā€™t that how all variants start anyways? played so annoyed with the way nh dev is :P 15:41 and yeah there was one variant that offered orctown but with shop items intact 15:41 <@shadow_rider> *players 15:41 genuinely I hate monkey town more than orc town 15:41 anselmus - more than one 15:41 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Inf Hum Fem Una), 4412 points, T:3347, killed by a champion of Chih Sung-tzu 15:41 I am actually in favour of the mysterious force, although I'm aware that that's an unpopular opinion and as such I wouldn't try too hard to keep it 15:41 it makes the gameplay of the Gehennom descent better in a number of ways, even though it makes the ascent worse 15:41 Evil and xnh among maybe others give you at least one shop + more standard minetown loot 15:42 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 14 points, T:73, killed by a sewer rat 15:42 in particular, it gives you a reward for a) mapping Gehennom and b) terraforming Gehennom to be less hostile, which helps balance slower Gehennom exploration strategies against the faster ones 15:42 hackem seems much more open to input and is honest about being work in progress 15:43 not sure why vanilla is so secretive still 15:43 <@shadow_rider> itā€™s a difference in design goals 15:43 replacing it with something less annoying would be great, but the desired gameplay effects are a) give an incentive for making the stairs as close as possible to each other, b) give an incentive for making the areas not close to the stairs more explorable 15:43 [hdf-eu] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 53 points, T:26, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 15:43 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Superfly (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:3106 15:43 also how is vanilla hiding that it's a wip 15:43 anselmus: vanilla is not secretive, it *looks* secretive because people assume there's much more going on behind the scenes than there actually is 15:44 but the vast majority of things I know about vanilla development, all of you do too just by looking into the repository 15:44 [hdf-eu] [hackm] post163 (Yeo Hob Mal Neu), 50 points, T:80, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 15:44 i mean, not taking player input 15:44 that's more jadedness, most of the ideas that players email us are absolutely terrible 15:45 if any variant dev is being secretive and not listening to player input, its that evilhack dev. what a dick 15:45 el mao 15:45 someone should send him a strongly worded letter 15:45 <@shadow_rider> if iā€™m the developer of a game iā€™m going to prioritize what i want to put in a game and if happens to align with what players want, great! :) 15:45 <@shadow_rider> k2 drafting one as we speak 15:45 well hurry up, i hear that dev is old 15:45 i thought that's how game development worked 15:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:26222 15:46 release a beta, get feedback 15:46 <@Loggers_VIII> wait shadowrider is Janis???? :p 15:46 Hi Logs 15:46 there's basically two ways to do game development, the @shadow_rider method, and the "our marketing team says that if we do this we make an extra $200k this year" method 15:46 <@Loggers_VIII> Allo umbire 15:46 neither is necessarily aligned with what the players wand 15:46 anselmus - game developments goes exactly how that game dev lets it go 15:46 * want 15:46 nethack isnt a game 15:46 its a way of life 15:47 :) 15:47 it's arrogance to think you can just come up with some change that will work 15:47 <@shadow_rider> lol loggers 15:47 sorry, Demo and I sometimes finish each others sentences 15:47 cute lil quirk 15:47 I think a good guide to listening to players is that players are generally very good at identifying issues with the game that need fixing, but much worse at identifying viable solutions to the issues 15:48 [hdf-eu] [spl] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 8 points, T:132, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 15:48 to add to what ais523 said - what players want dont always line up with the devs intent 15:48 i don't hold that as a fault tho against most variants because they were mostly one man efforts 15:48 the intent of AceHack and NH4 is close to "make the interface better, and be very scared about making gameplay changes because you'll probably screw it up" 15:48 i dont even really believe in variant releases 15:48 also they've taken a lot of feedback based on stuff reported from playing 3.7 on here 15:48 and both variants did in fact manage to screw up the gameplay to some extent despite that 15:48 i think everyone should just play locally with custom patches that unfuck the things they think are fucked 15:49 anselmus - which nethack variant dev(s) do you think ignores player feedback and/or just make arrogant changes? 15:49 [hdf-us] [hackm] Lukethecool1001 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 99 points, T:113, killed by a contaminated potion 15:49 [hdf-au] [nh370] UmberConductor (Rog Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:18936 15:49 K2: hehe i've said enough 15:49 k2 its gotta be evilhack fosho, im almost finished with that email 15:50 <@Loggers_VIII> imo a game where all changes are unilaterally decided upon by whether or not the majority of the player base wants the change would be more boring than what we have now 15:50 anselmus no go on :) 15:50 shadowrider38 lol 15:50 anselmus if you're gonna bring it up, at least back it up 15:50 whatcha got? 15:51 how dare you imply i have any bad feelings about the most awesome game and the most awesome servers and community members 15:52 heh 15:52 yeah shadowrider38 how dare you! 15:52 oh, this reminds me: a change that I have been considering trying to convince the rest of the devteam is a good idea, but I'd like to know whether players think it's a good idea 15:52 its ok if you have certain misgivings 15:53 case in point: i love junethack but I give bhaak shit all the time about various things that I feel could use some tweaks 15:53 but just curious, has there been an instance of the devteam undoing something due to feedback? 15:53 the change is: when two dknown (i.e. seen when not blind) items are identical apart from identification status, match the identification statuses, with a message along the lines of "You identify the X by comparing it to your Y". 15:53 anselmus: speed 12 monsters outspeeding the player in 3.6 15:54 i think they made the anti magic traps less super deadly in 37 after making them turbo deadly in 37? 15:54 you would never recognize another one 15:54 also, Elbereth being nerfed into near-uselessness in early 3.6 15:54 that was also undone (it's still nerfed, just not as far) 15:54 so partially undone 15:55 ais i dont understand what that change 15:55 does 15:55 good to know 15:55 <@Loggers_VIII> me neither can we get an example 15:55 (as in im probably just too stupid to understand it) 15:55 [hdf-us] [sp] bleeko (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 178665 points, T:20083, petrified by Medusa 15:55 shadowrider38: which one? 15:55 your identification status proposal 15:55 Dammit, thought that was a green elf. Trap door dropped me below medusa 15:55 Yeah stepping on anti-magic traps with MR did HP damage instead, and if you were a casting-focused role with more power than HP you just lose the game immediately 15:56 shadowrider38: so e.g. if you have an uncursed +0 dagger, and a dagger that happens to be +0 and uncursed 15:56 they both get marked as +0 and uncursed 15:56 Bleeko: ouch 15:56 <@Loggers_VIII> Bleeko :c 15:56 <@Loggers_VIII> omg yes best change to the game ever proposed ais523 15:56 the idea is to reduce the amount of tedious inventory juggling 15:56 our clan is gonna need counselling after this tourney 15:56 isnt that in nh4? 15:56 NH4 has a partial version, specifically for BCU status 15:56 oh yes please 15:56 do that 15:57 i am a huge supporter of that 15:57 <@Loggers_VIII> I hate walking around with a stack of un IDā€™d daggers I know are +0 and an IDā€™d stack, instead of just one stack 15:57 it was originally added to NH4 to remove an exploit by just giving everyone access to the results of the exploit, rather than for balance reasons, but after playing junethack this year I realised the resulting gameplay is just much better 15:57 I hate 3.7 anti-magic traps 15:58 They always reduce maximum pw even if magic-resistant 15:58 (the exploit, which exists in most versions and variants, is to drop all but 1 of a stack on the altar so that you still have one item left for stacking purposes) 15:58 it totally is a great change 15:58 one of my favorite things some variants have done 15:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] Lukethecool1001 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 43 points, T:223, killed by a falling rock 15:59 xnh just merges items into a stack if they'd stack when fully ID'd 15:59 given the reaction, I think I'll propose this to the devteam next month 15:59 I like that change 15:59 oh, if this is in xnh already the argument will be a little easier 16:00 I think we have a lot of xnh patches accepted to vanilla already 16:01 sure do 16:01 <@Loggers_VIII> Yeah I liked that when I played xnh. e.g you pick up food ration thatā€™s un-IDā€™d but uncursed, itā€™ll stack with an already IDā€™d uncursed one 16:01 but then i think we can agree that no one has an issue with QoL improvements 16:01 [hdf-us] [fh] jmc (jmcunx) (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 14849 points, T:1676, killed by a hill orc 16:01 [hdf-us] [hackm] post163 (Yeo Hob Mal Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 16:01 no, QoL improvements are often some of the most controversial 16:01 anselmus hah nope 16:01 <@Loggers_VIII> anselmus you would be VERY surprised 16:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 0 points, T:21, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 16:01 several devs have this idea in mind that NetHack is supposed to be some sort of ultimate test of skill 16:01 <@Loggers_VIII> Check out rgrn some time 16:02 and improving the game's QoL makes wins less impressive, on that metric 16:02 <@Loggers_VIII> It already is!! But tedium doesnā€™t equate to skill 16:02 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Dra Elf Mal Cha), 14 points, T:58, slipped while mounting a saddled baby violet dragon 16:02 <@Loggers_VIII> Enduring tedium, rather 16:02 i will not bring up paranoid swim 16:03 well i'm willing to forgive that assuming it was well intentioned 16:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] Lukethecool1001 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 31 points, T:61, killed by a djinni, while praying 16:03 [hdf-us] [un] post163 (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of cold 16:03 <@Loggers_VIII> if you play with paranoid swim youā€™re a BABY who has never experienced the REAL MANā€™S NetHack 16:03 <@post163> !variant 16:03 @post163: fiqhack 16:03 paranoid swim is in 3.7, isn't it? 16:03 but just don't see how orctown can be perceived as anything but an intentional inconvenience 16:04 [hdf-us] [fh] dfsl (post163) (Kni Dwa Mal Law), 0 points, T:32, slipped while mounting a saddled pony called Rainbow Dash 16:04 that actually surprised me, not because I was against it but because I thought other devs were sufficiently against it that it'd never get in 16:04 or, is it just in the hdf verison of 3.7? 16:04 * version 16:04 <@Loggers_VIII> Because it like is not by definition anselmus 16:04 <@post163> !rng Kni Dra Yeo Nob 16:04 @post163: Nob 16:04 there are some QoL changes that put the game into what I like to call 'easy mode', which prevents the player from doing that they should be preventing themselves from doing 16:04 <@bubbles7> I remember arguing about paranoid swim recently again. 16:04 hah 16:04 K2: I think of it as "lag compensation mode" 16:04 [hdf-us] [dnh] post163 (Nob Hum Fem Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by kicking a wall 16:04 <@post163> !variant 16:04 @post163: grunthack 16:04 <@Loggers_VIII> Orctown is not an inconvenience. Itā€™s a big gain if you overcome a challenge. Itā€™s harder but still a ton of value 16:05 You dig in the right places and play your cards well, you have easy max Luck + probably an artiweapon or two 16:05 <@bubbles7> ^ Also helps for accessibility for some people, I think. 16:05 [hdf-us] [gh] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 4 points, T:57, slipped while mounting a saddled pony called Pinkie Pie 16:05 <@post163> !variant 16:05 @post163: nh343 16:05 like, the purpose of floating eyes is to punish players for not paying attention / playing too quickly ā€“ and even if you agree with that purpose, adding network lag on top of that means that the "safe speed" online is unplayably slow 16:05 [hdf-us] [nh343] post163 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of fire 16:05 i put paranoid swim into evilhack. i didnt want to but i thought about it and finally added it 16:05 <@Loggers_VIII> I am guilty of loving paranoid swim because I always have like 1 second of input lag :/ 16:05 bleh 16:06 no paranoid air unfortunately 16:06 ais523, isnt auto travel == lag compensation? 16:06 evilhack dev listening to player feedback? maybe i shouldnt send this email after all 16:06 <@post163> I tend to play rather quickly and frequently die to something I did not see while running down a corridor. 16:06 <@Loggers_VIII> I feel that 16:06 K2: yes, travel's very helpful for that too, especially with mousetarget 16:06 in nethack, I can do m+movement key, and my toon will run down a corridor as far as it can, and it'll stop short of running into a floating eye 16:07 oh, that's "running" not "travel" 16:07 travel is the _ command 16:07 I go do something else when lag is too bad. Laggy soko is a non-starter 16:07 ais523 right - but it still apllies 16:07 applies 16:07 same outcome 16:07 Bleeko: I'm doing laggy soko right now, in parallel with this conversation 16:07 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Superfly (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 989 points, T:4517, killed by an iguana, while frozen by a floating eye's gaze 16:07 <@Loggers_VIII> Iā€™ve experienced laggy soko so many times Iā€™m honestly a big big headed about how good Iā€™ve gotten at it 16:07 ais523: That sounds really annoying. 16:07 travel on _ is interesting when playing on a very laggy connection, because the lag makes moving the cursor to the desired square hard 16:07 running will stop when you're right next to the monster, not when you first detect it 16:08 that's why mousetarget helps so much 16:08 there are some monsters (mind flayer) where that's very bad 16:08 because lag can't ruin your mouse pointer movement 16:08 speaking of lag - we need to do something about those researchers in antartica. i wanna put a server there but amazon wont let me 16:08 Man, talk about no-guardrails, spork has killed more late-game chars on me than I've lost in years. 16:08 travel-to-dungeon-feature (stairs, etc.) should be _relatively_ sane under lag conditions. 16:09 Bleeko welcome to a big part of the inspiration to evilhack 16:09 yes, travel-to-dungeon-feature works well, at least in variants that have either the recent-vanilla or NitroHack-style fixes to it 16:09 K2: Just put the server on a telecommunications satellite. 16:09 i have more than a couple sporkhack astral splats 16:10 Yea, but the thing that I like about spork is that I still recognize the dungeon. All the extra branches and alignment keys and whatnot on the others befuddle my tiny brain 16:10 jonadab heh 16:10 <@Loggers_VIII> Hereā€™s how you can still die from floating eye when utilizing travel: youā€™re traveling to the end of a hallway. Thereā€™s a doorway at the end. You know auto travel will stop you at the door way so you start moving before travel ends. You start walking when youā€™re not there yet cuz itā€™s lagging, walk into an eye, rip (this has been another episode of Loggersā€™ extremely specific and unerringly common YASDs) 16:10 <@Loggers_VIII> Run, I mean. Bleh 16:10 Bleeko <3 16:10 i love sporkhack 16:10 that's where orctown originated fyi 16:10 [hdf-au] [nh370] UmberConductor (Rog Orc Fem Cha) polymorphed her first item, on T:19623 16:10 some variants definitely don't seem to care about unfair deaths as a design choice 16:10 fair? 16:10 and even encourage them 16:11 there's no such thing as 'fair' 16:11 <@Loggers_VIII> Yeah case in point evilhack 16:11 unavoidable, or practically speaking 16:11 -!- phinxy has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.5-dev] 16:11 Evil Variant: another blue e monster that is dangerous to *not* immediately attack 16:11 Sporkhack has some interesting things in it, but there are caveats. 16:11 just change your terminal color then 16:11 thats what I did 16:11 <@Loggers_VIII> k2 will go to the grave and poison instadeath will still be in evil 16:11 before AceHack existed, I tried to seriously play Sporkhack to get a sense of how it played 16:11 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in seventeen variants" unlocked by jmcunx! 16:12 my assessment was that all the methods of getting good weapons early had been seriously nerfed *except* sacfesting at an altar, which lead to a big imbalance 16:12 I didn't get much further in the game, I wasn't as good at the time 16:12 death scenarios are always avoidable in evilhack or any other variant. just some more than others 16:12 ais523: Oooh, a monster that gets a turn every second regardless of how many turns the player does or doesn't take. 16:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Lukethecool1001 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 560 points, T:1182, killed by a sewer rat 16:12 which is fine by me, but i was raised up in the "perfect play" myth of marvin/adeon 16:12 there are some mad ppl that are streaking in evil 16:12 jonadab: I was also thinking about that but thought it was too Evil Variant to even say :-) 16:12 <@Loggers_VIII> yeah donā€™t gimme that shite k2 what about when the chameleon turned into the alhoon for the fortieth time :p 16:12 <@post163> I die a ton from run/travel: since I explore on low health a monster kills me before I get another move or become aware of it. 16:13 so evilhack streaking is not impossible 16:13 [hdf-us] [dnh] inlawBiker (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 294 points, T:354, killed by a gnome zombie 16:13 i encountered an alhoon in my current evilhack. i'm still alive 16:13 (in the mines, bones) 16:13 mobileuser has a streak of 4 still going on in evil (and Infidels at that) 16:13 hax 16:13 evilhack isn't /actually/ evil. It should be called easyhack. 16:13 K2: how do you avoid poison instadeath from stepping on to a dart trap on turn 1? 16:14 s/on to/onto/ 16:14 <@Loggers_VIII> yeah well Iā€™ve died to them at least five times early game with no leeway to avoid it >:c 16:14 Never minded poison instadeath, just luck of the draw. Wouldn't play a wiz in spork because I really don't care for the any-body-armor penalty. I'd play a monk if I wanted that. 16:14 20s 16:14 :B 16:14 @post163: health recovery in the early game in NetHack is actually something of a balance problem IMO (it's also a balance problem in the lategame, but in the opposite direction) 16:14 I've been meaning to try playing some Fourk to see if it's balanced better 16:14 players like tariru and mobileuser arent actually real people tho so they dont count 16:14 Noisytoot - poison instadeath isnt a guarantee, it's a probability 16:14 :P 16:14 my advice is to wait for a very long time in a safe area when low on HP 16:14 <@Loggers_VIII> shadowrider youā€™re one to talk :P 16:14 a 100s on some stairs in an empty room with a closed door, for example, has done wonders to my survival 16:14 a more snooty answer would be - roll an orc 16:15 [hdf-eu] [nh370] XYS (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the Oracle, on T:29859 16:15 i am mortal 16:15 i have some nice wins but die loads of times to get there 16:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] Leggman (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:7188 16:15 it doesn't need to be guaranteed to be unavoidable 16:15 check out my stats this month 16:15 <@post163> I don't think I've instadeathed from poison on T:1 yet - and waiting a long time has the problem of running out of food. 16:15 ais523: I think Fourk is balanced _differently_ from vanilla; the jury is still out on whether it's better. 16:15 <@Loggers_VIII> yeah right I can feel your cold artificial conscious probing this conversation :) 16:15 then to avoid it - search for traps first before moving 16:15 pfft 16:15 Thought the sacfest nerf in spork is interesting, getting random non-artifact weapons can still be helpful. With the percent resistances and no perm see invis, I normally go for crowning anyway 16:16 jonadab: just gathering the data would be helpful, I think 16:16 Indeed. 16:16 <@Loggers_VIII> K2 the issue with that is that doing it makes the game unfun and shit to put it bluntly 16:16 booo tame djinni 16:16 <@Loggers_VIII> No one is searching every square on the off chance thereā€™s a poison pit 16:16 correct, searching 10 turns for every move would not be fun 16:16 I expect it has strengths and weaknesses. 16:16 blasted smoky pots 16:16 so its a matter of how much risk are you willing to assume 16:17 One of the things I tried pretty hard to do in Fourk, is change the relative balance between two-weapon two-handed-weapon and shield, so that everyone doesn't always pick the same choice. 16:17 I think a reasonable balance might be to keep poison instadeath, but ensure there's always warning of the things that could cause it 16:17 e.g. keep it on monsters but remove it from pits 16:17 and ensure that the monsters have non-combat solutions 16:17 <@Loggers_VIII> Iā€™d argue that making the game monotonous instead of relying on skill to survive early game is bad design 16:17 although, that might turn the game into too much running away 16:17 evil/hackem also seems to require or strongly encourage altar camping which i'm not a fan of 16:17 loggers im not sure i totally agree with that take anymore tho i used to 16:17 jonadab: I enjoyed 4k this month 16:17 <@post163> I normally die before I reach floor 5 (when spiked pits can first be found) - though the new trap themed room can make them appear sooner. 16:17 ais523: I estimate that 5%-ish of my turns are spent running away. 16:18 ais523: In Fourk, things that would be poison instadeath in vanilla normally drain a level, but can kill you if you are very low-level. 16:18 there is no requirement to altar camp, in any variant 16:18 <@Loggers_VIII> maybe Iā€™ll become wiser in my years 16:18 @Loggers_VIII: the conclusions I'm drawing from Junethack this year are that the game would be significantly improved if escape items were more available/usable early on 16:18 several players forego it completely 16:18 early game you kinda have to play like that if you really want to win a specific game, but changes later on 16:18 [hdf-us] [dnh] guest99987 (Bin Hlf Fem Non), 150 points, T:821, killed by a fox 16:18 Bleeko: How would you compare Fourk to other variants? What are its strengths and weaknesses? 16:18 Thought it had a good balance for fun. Not lethal like spork, but still challenging 16:18 well i've only watched mostly mobileuser 16:18 <@Loggers_VIII> well yeah. Iā€™m talkin about early game 16:18 doesnt seem less skill based necessarily tho 16:18 [hdf-eu] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 16:18 I have a +2 aklys and +3 mace on this orc rogue 16:19 could honestly go pretty far with that but if I get an artiweapon so much the better 16:19 ive been playing some slex recently tho so maybe i have a different perspective that i shouldnt have lol 16:19 jonadab: Why does fourk have the stupid role/race/option unlocking thing? 16:19 <@Loggers_VIII> Thereā€™s an element of skill involved, sure, but at the end of the day itā€™s not hard to just search 10s every turn 16:19 K2: something I've seen across many variants and even vanilla, is that making the game "generically" more difficult without specifically trying to bias the difficulty in a particular direction tends to cause altar camping to become more powerful relative to other strategies 16:19 besides, evilhack already made llowances for poison instadeath 16:19 Noisytoot: To guide new players toward the easier-to-learn races and roles. 16:19 *allowances 16:19 <@Loggers_VIII> And even if you do that, thereā€™s almost never a guarantee there isnā€™t a poison pit there anyway 16:19 so I wouldn't be surprised if altar camping were more beneficial in evil than in vanilla, although it probably still isn't required 16:19 !PoM 16:19 APic: The moon is at first quarter; full moon in 5 days. 16:20 * anselmus vows to "find" an unfair death so he can complain and be banned by k2 :p 16:20 <@Loggers_VIII> Altar camping in evil is busted as fuck take it from the expert 16:20 I tend to watch where my pet moves if I'm feeling particularly antsy 16:20 Noisytoot: And also to avoid cluttering new players' options screen with stuff they are no way ready for, like permablind. 16:20 saves time after a fashion 16:20 [hdf-eu] [spl] post163 (Kni Inf Nbn Law), 63 points, T:277, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 16:20 see but its not really possible to make the early game 100% always winnable without making it baby easy 16:20 there's really only 2 things that are absolutely required in nethack and all the varinats: MR and reflectionb 16:20 i dont see how you can win without having those 2 16:20 K2: no, not reflection 16:20 k2 those arent even required tbh 16:20 everything else is icing on the cake 16:20 I have ascended reflectionless, I can't remember whether it was NH4, AceHack or 3.4.3, but I've done it 16:21 i did reflectionless mrless and i think there was a guy who did both + nude 16:21 ok then MR for sure 16:21 you can go balls out with certain polyforms and hyper-strategize for stuff that outs you 16:21 MRless has been done (not by me) but it was an intentional stupid ascension trick 16:21 or just geno problem monsters :B 16:21 There should be an option to just show all roles/races/options. Currently you need to unlock all the roles/races/options on every server you play on. 16:21 anselmus: I had a splicehack game end when an adventurer on Astral stole the Amulet from me, teleported to his altar, and offered it to his deity... all in 1 turn. That was easily one of the most unfair *hack things ever. 16:21 MR and poison resistance are absolutely required 16:21 or if mobileuser will affirm that there are no unfair deaths in evil i'll readily concede the point :) 16:21 fwiw, I'm generally happy with the sort of unlocking Fourk has *if* there's some way to bypass it 16:22 I mean, on a local install it's trivial to bypass. 16:22 On a public server, not so much. 16:22 <@Loggers_VIII> mobileuser has complained about evilhacks shenanigans too heā€™s not immune :) 16:22 one of the things I've patched into my local install of HyperRogue is an "unlock everything" buried in the options 16:22 <@post163> Fourk is my least favorite variant if only because of the unlocking thing - I'd have no chance of getting a hypothetical trophy that is the equivalent of the dNethack Tour (i. e. play all the new roles and races for 1k turns). 16:22 I suppose I could add a super-sekrit #unlockeverything command. 16:22 bouquet: wow 16:22 anselmus why would I ban you for having an opinion? smh 16:23 @?djinni 16:23 djinni (&) | Lvl: 7 | Diff: 8 | Spd: 12 | Res: poison petrification | Confer: nothing | MR: 30 | Gen: special | AC: 4 | Atk: 2d8 weapon physical | Align: 0 | flies, poisonous, nopoly, stalker, infravis 16:23 anselmus I do actually die to poison instadeath from time to time in evihack, but I don't consider it unfair :-) 16:23 <@Loggers_VIII> I will say I would hold evilā€™s early game against it a lot more if the rest wasnā€™t so damn fun 16:23 [hdf-eu] [nh370] XYS (Tou Hum Mal Neu) was bestowed with Vorpal Blade by The Lady, on T:30161 16:23 in evilhack if you can get to 35% or greater poison res, poison instadeath goes away 16:23 <@Loggers_VIII> I mean, Iā€™ve had uruk hai literally spawn next to me and shoot me with instadeath, I donā€™t see how something like that is fair 16:24 there's a lot of stuff that can poison you early on before you can really start raising poison res 16:24 K2: i did see you get mad on rgrn :p 16:24 K2 right, and sometimes you don't manage in time, that;s fine 16:24 you keep using this word 'fair' like it actually has any meaning in nethack 16:24 K2: imo it does but usually not in the way it's invoked 16:24 to echo mobileuser, I don't feel any *hack death is unfair. 16:25 fwiw I think there's a distinction between fair and unfair *spoiler knowledge* 16:25 anselmus not so much mad as annoyed 16:25 <@post163> Speaking of evil I have no idea how to get to Gollum reliably. 16:25 i have very little tolerance for assholes 16:25 fair spoiler knowledge is knowledge that can be reasoned out or determined by in-game experimentation without ruining your current game 16:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Val Hum Fem Law) was bestowed with Mjollnir by Tyr, on T:26628 16:25 [hdf-us] [xnh] arrow (Ran Elf Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:5967 16:25 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: sorry about my connection] 16:25 * anselmus wondering if these claims are really true or if it's a case of "i could beat tariru if i really tried" 16:26 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 16:26 ais523: I think the most unfair spoiler knowledge in 3.4.3 is probably magic cancellation. 16:26 wb 16:26 do you guys really think every game should be literally 100% winnable? 16:26 that is kind of not realistic with the way roguelike games work 16:26 jonadab: do you think the changes in 3.6/3.7 help make that less unfair? or do you think that it still needs help? 16:26 I even died in nanohack. It's the nature of things 16:27 @post163 in goblintown there is a trap door that lets you fall through to gollum's cave 16:27 [hdf-us] [dnh] inlawBiker (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 1354 points, T:1012, killed by a dwarf 16:27 it's randomized between 5 different locations 16:27 <@Loggers_VIII> shadowrider38 theoretically, yeah. I know Iā€™m in the minority, but I think it should be possible for a human being to win any NetHack game they play, if they reach an insane level of skill 16:27 <@post163> @K2 I've hit that trap door, but I don't know how to get back up. 16:27 ais523: I am pretty behind on knowlege of vanilla's changes. 16:27 so its different each game 16:27 actually, one of the things I admire about NetHack is that the internal mechanics don't have neat names that the games tell people 16:27 oh 16:27 stairs up are to the far bottom left of the map 16:27 I should probably devote some time to playing 3.7, honestly. One of these months. 16:27 behind some dead trees 16:27 there's a distinction between MC, MR, monMR, and it is hard to name these concepts consistently ā€“ but that doesn't matter, because the game doesn't need to 16:27 [hdf-us] [dnh] guest99987 (Bin Hlf Fem Non), 983 points, T:916, killed by a dagger 16:28 Thought about doing Junethack this year but got distracted by other things. 16:28 loggers i understand the motive but how could any dev possibly make that a reality while including reasonable elements of rng and making the earlygame not a complete wash? 16:28 jonadab: the main changes to MC are a) some items have their MC values adjusted, b) each rank of MC gives you a 30% chance of avoiding attacks that MC affects (it's still capped at MC3, so 90% is the best you can do), c) there's a message "You avoid harm." for avoiding an attack with MC 16:28 I think "theoretically" is the key word in there 16:29 also most good items give MC1 at best, if you want high MC you mostly have to aim specifically for items that grant MC rather than items that do other things 16:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Val Hum Fem Law) was bestowed with Werebane by Tyr, on T:26734 16:29 as in you "can" win every game assuming x amount of skill, doesn't mean you necessarily will 16:29 ais523: Oh, I like that "you avoid harm" message. 16:29 a typical 3.4.3-style asc kit would only give MC1 in 3.7 16:29 I knew about MC3 being harder to get in 3.6 16:29 I think that was pre-leak. 16:29 bear in mind, Tariru used elbereth like it was going out of style 16:29 he played very cautiously and wrote the e-word every other turn 16:29 even tariru's streak ended because of a simple thing like getting cornered by a dwarf in the mines (I think...). 16:30 ^ 16:30 yup 16:30 <@Loggers_VIII> shadowrider38 I mean, I donā€™t think itā€™s hard to remove poison instadeath. Iā€™m not saying devs should strive for the relatively impossible perfect game, but making relatively easy changes to contribute to it is not the same as that 16:30 Honestly, if one in sixty games is unwinnable, I think that's pretty good for a roguelike. 16:30 <@Loggers_VIII> but itā€™s not my variant so who cares :p 16:30 it had nowhere else to go so defaulted to whacking him despite whatever precautions he took 16:30 I'm sure there's a statue to that Dwarf in Moria :) 16:30 ok let's ask mobileuser again 16:30 I am stone cold certain Brogue has lower winnability percentage than that, at least if you don't have TAS-level knowledge of the seed. 16:30 mobileuser: are all your recent deaths due to player error? 16:30 tbf i think tariru still had a certain amount of luck to not have hit any instadeaths over 60 games 16:31 more than is typical 16:31 could be wrong tho 16:31 [hdf-us] [dyn] hothraxxa (Wiz Vam Fem Cha), 651 points, T:1687, killed by a winter wolf 16:31 there was that one game where I died on turn 0ā€¦ 16:31 shadowrider38: I believe poison resistance was a priority in his play style. 16:31 Tariru even beat evilhack. twice. and not on his first try :P 16:31 how is that possible? 16:32 https://tasvideos.org/3080S 16:32 odds are about 1 in 3 million if playing Tourist, it's even lower or zero for other roles 16:32 anselmus after almost every death I thought: hmmm I could have done this or that and maybe survived 16:32 technically the turn counter is showing 1 before the first turn 16:32 hehe k 16:33 https://nethackscoreboard.org/deathreasons/m/mobileuser.all.html 16:33 you did that just to prove you could, right? 16:33 if I remember right 16:33 death rays are pretty unavoidable 16:33 bouquet definitely he knew what to prioritize and how to play to maximize winrate 16:33 in 3.4.3 there's a bug where autopickup isn't turned off until your first turn begins, so even with !autopickup, you will autopickup items on the starting square (although pickup_types or autopickup exceptions can be used to avoid the instadeath) 16:33 but yeah earlygame wands are pretty unavoidable in many games 16:33 if they show up 16:33 just get to them first 4Head 16:33 mobileuser: there are things you can to do reduce the chance of being hit by death rays, but it isn't normally worth actually doing them 16:34 -!- krm26 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:34 yeah I don't go 100% out of my way to minimise risk 16:34 e.g. you can try to never be lined up with an intelligent monster 16:34 that would be too boring 16:34 its good to see these discussions on #hardfought again, was getting a bit stagnant of late 16:34 one could always argue the player would still be alive if they hadn't gone to that level/room 16:34 but I do play fairly cautiously 16:34 nethack is like real life and I'm reminded of an old Volkswagen commercial about the safety of their vehicles "there's no reset button on life". Play like it's your life on the line and you'll do fine. 16:35 hmmā€¦ I intentionally do not play to maximise win rate 16:35 I just play not to die 16:35 <@Loggers_VIII> I just play because I donā€™t know how to do anything else 16:35 I don't even do that 16:36 Hmm, someone should try playing to not have the game end. 16:36 funny thought that just popped into my head - someone debating about poison instadeath in [nethack|variants] and while chatting, ate something that gave them food poisoning 16:36 <@Loggers_VIII> pff 16:36 irl 16:36 <@Loggers_VIII> That sounds like a threat 16:36 hey loggers 16:36 I don't like getting off-screened but sometimes there's legit nothing you can do 16:36 i got you some chocolates 16:36 nethack is the most noble skill known to man 16:36 mmm MMM 16:36 jonadab: don't suggest that, it has been known to break NAO 16:36 <@Loggers_VIII> hi K2 I just changed my mind you are right about poison instadeath 16:36 :P 16:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tog (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 1311 points, T:4445, killed by a wand 16:36 lol 16:36 in 3.4.3 there are pastescripts that create infinite loops that keep the game running indefinitely 16:36 <@Loggers_VIII> Speak of the devil 16:37 and it was quite a problem to deal with the resulting 100% CPU usage 16:37 ais523: I was thinking more in terms of running the turn count up. 16:37 i got a script for that 16:37 (100% cpu use) 16:37 <@post163> I think I've died a couple of times to early wands zapped by hostiles (no MR to block MM/striking - and then the 6d6 damage of bolts of cold/fire/lightning are super deadly). 16:37 Which is _basically_ extinctionist, only, you know, more. 16:38 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Kni Inf Nbn Cha), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 16:38 3.6.something has gameplay changes to avoid the resulting denial-of-service attack ā€“ one minor mechanical change to make the loop not work and that will have no noticeable effect in most games 16:38 and the 1 billion turn hard limit 16:38 Hmm, interesting conduct combination: extinctionist + glutton, you must eat all the corpses. 16:38 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Gia Mal Neu), 6 points, T:65, killed by an unsuccessful polymorph 16:38 (playing for 1 billion turns instantly ends the game in an escape, making it impossible to overflow the turn counter) 16:38 ninja nethack - you must read/quaff every scroll/potion you find, immediately 16:38 <@Loggers_VIII> you should have a unique death of old age for it 16:38 [hdf-us] [dnh] guest99987 (Bin Hlf Fem Non), 361 points, T:676, killed by a gnome 16:39 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Lukethecool1001 (Bar Eth Mal Neu) entered the adventure town for the first time, on T:1711 16:39 jonadab that sounds 10 times as painful 16:39 <@Loggers_VIII> Then some insane guy can go for the unique death on hdf 16:39 Hmm, what is the record number of turns anyone has played for (to public knowledge) and *not* rolled over the turn counter? 16:39 in 3.7 there is an item that gives a few turns of petrification res, making it plausible to intentionally eat trices 16:39 <@Loggers_VIII> Thatā€™s gargoyle meat, right? 16:39 lizard corpse 16:40 ais523: Doesn't even 3.4.3 have polyforms that are petrification resistant? 16:40 lizard, gargoyle, some others 16:40 jonadab: yes 16:40 <@Loggers_VIII> And yellow DSM gives stone res I think 16:40 I wanna say yellow D. 16:40 and yes gargoyles and the like have stoning res 16:40 @?cockatrice 16:40 cockatrice (c) | Lvl: 5 | Diff: 8 | Spd: 6 | Res: poison petrification | Confer: poison | MR: 30 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 6 | Atk: 1d3 bite physical, 0d0 touch petrification, 0d0 passive petrification | Align: 0 | genocidable, omnivore, oviparous, touch petrifies, infravis 16:40 acidic monsters are also stoning proofed 16:40 [hdf-us] [nh4] jmcunx (Val Dwa Fem Law), 28562 points, T:2309, killed by an Uruk-hai 16:40 (In this context, it would have to be something that can eat, which rules out things like vortices.) 16:40 I thought they confered petrification resistance 16:40 bleh I have to go adult. nice discussions :) bbl 16:40 @?green mold 16:40 green mold (F) | Lvl: 1 | Diff: 2 | Spd: 0 | Res: acid petrification | Confer: acid | MR: 0 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 9 | Atk: 0d4 passive acid | Align: 0 | genocidable, breathless, mindless, vegan 16:41 K2: Go adult or go home. 16:41 <@Loggers_VIII> Bye k2 :) 16:41 I don't think they show up on pino since they're temporary resistances 16:41 @?lizard 16:41 lizard (:) | Lvl: 5 | Diff: 6 | Spd: 6 | Res: petrification | Confer: nothing | MR: 10 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 6 | Atk: 1d6 bite physical | Align: 0 | genocidable, carnivore, passes-bars 16:41 is it updated for 3.7? 16:41 <@Loggers_VIII> I also have to go. Probably wonā€™t play any NetHack for a while. Currently coping with the realization that Iā€™m not having fun playing anymore 16:42 <@Loggers_VIII> Later o/ 16:42 Unfortunate 16:42 one thing that makes these claims hard to disprove is that the player is rarely at full health, and perfect play would require retreating and healing up after every hp loss 16:42 Hopefully that changes, but even if it doesn't you're always welcome to hang I'm sure 16:42 I took a break earlier this year. I eventually got the bug again 16:42 anselmus: not necessarily, that runs the risk of running out of food 16:42 any encounter at less than full hp would be automatically the player's fault 16:43 well ok given sufficient food 16:43 YANI: HP regeneration rate is higher when on lower HP (thus, resting only when injured has an advantage over resting when only slightly injured) 16:43 i mean i generally try to heal to full or near full even in my non optimized games 16:44 bouquet: if you play to avoid death at all costs, the best way is to escape on turn 1 16:44 Is the HP regen rate faster when resting? 16:44 even if you got frost horned with 1 hp, you could argue that 2 hp could've saved you 16:44 I was never under the impression that it was. 16:44 a sound plan. I do that when crazy people try to pick fights in my vicinity. 16:44 I tend to retreat toward safer areas, when I am concerned about HP. 16:44 I hightail it out of there! 16:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] Leggman (Val Dwa Fem Law), 16497 points, T:10011, killed by an ogre lord 16:46 <@post163> I almost always charge into the unknown at low health, especially when playing wizards who don't have anything to eat (which means more deaths to cats/dogs/horses since I have nothing with which to tame or pacify them). 16:48 I mean, that's fair. Pretty much the whole point of being a wizard is so you can die in melee, right? 16:48 !pom 16:48 raisse: The moon is at first quarter; full moon in 5 days. 16:48 [hdf-eu] [hackm] mobileuser (Pir Orc Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping an uncursed oilskin sack containing 4 items on an altar, on T:3077 (1:43:23) 16:50 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in eighteen variants" unlocked by jmcunx! 16:50 [hdf-eu] [hackm] post163 (Yeo Hum Mal Neu), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 16:50 mobileuser: so looking at your most recent evil death, how would that have been preventable? https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/m/mobileuser/evilhack/dumplog/1671095874.evil.txt 16:51 this laggy Sokoban is not going well, two boulders trapped so far on this level (and one on the bottom level) 16:51 so far I haven't made it unsolvable yet though 16:52 34% poison resistant lol 16:52 1% off 16:52 thats tragic 16:52 anselmus, that one not, just bad roll of the dice 16:52 it happens 16:52 anselmus: dwarf lords are slow, don't get in line with it, use polearms 16:52 of course this requires having polearms or pets 16:53 -!- Hekik has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:53 if you are so close a sufficiently motivated player could farm and wait until 35% 16:53 YASI: pinball-inspired Sokoban levels with bumpers that, if you push a boulder into them, propel it (deterministically) in another direction. 16:53 or area spells like skilled fireball/cone of cold 16:53 before descending further 16:53 shadowrider38 true, but even my patience has limits :-) 16:53 jonadab: there was a tnnt variant room that was a billiards hall once upon a time... 16:53 yeah i would not have done anything differently mobi lol 16:54 jonadab: /dev/null/nethack had something very like that 16:54 some unlucky deaths are just worth eating for the sake of sanity 16:54 hmm, this is the amulet of reflection level 16:54 do I a) do it to get the amulet or b) skip it and try to ascend without reflection? 16:54 -!- nurdglaw has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 16:54 I think I'm going for a), too much chance of a midgame splat otherwise 16:54 ais do you have a grudge against reflection or what 16:55 shadowrider38: not really a grudge, but I think it's overrated 16:55 you are always plotting for how you can strategically not use it :P 16:55 -!- Hekik has joined #hardfought 16:55 I do think reflection is less important in the late game than many players realize. 16:55 so that makes me inclined to ascend without it in order to show off 16:55 Especially once you have all of your other resistances. 16:55 This year I finally got to the point of doing soko (mostly) without spoilers. Still need it for the traditional BoH end board. 16:55 I think that in 3.7, playing without reflection lategame may actually be optimal 16:55 you need disintegration resistance, which requires encountering a black dragon 16:56 That has made me hate soko much less. Previously my least favorite part of any ascention 16:56 * anselmus would argue that any game that causes you to take unreasonable risks is inherently not fair 16:56 which you need disintegration resistance or reflection to safely do 16:56 <@post163> Reflection can still prevent bolts of lightning from destroying rings/wands - it would suck to lose a ring of levitation over water and drown. 16:56 in 3.7, extrinsic shock resistance also does that 16:56 opted for blue DSM this game on that note 16:56 got a soko WoW, waited until I cleared zoo 16:56 It's not guaranteed. I think it's something like a 95% chance 16:57 also, in 3.6+, unreflectable ring/wand-destroying attacks are more impactful because you no longer have as much MC as in 3.4.3 16:57 Reflection is guaranteed 16:57 With that said, I have died in 3.4.3 because I forgot to put reflection back on, after taking the shield off to use a polearm. 16:57 [hdf-us] [hackm] willisllama (Pir Hum Mal Neu), 823 points, T:881, killed by a giant bat 16:58 anyway, the extrinsic shock res gives you a similar protection against, e.g., shocking spheres as MC3 does in 3.4.3 16:59 [hdf-us] [dyn] hothraxxa (Wiz Vam Mal Cha), 1966 points, T:1935, killed by an owlbear 16:59 meaning a wand of lightning zapped at you over water while levitating with a ring can still instakill you with extrinsic shock resistance 17:00 [hdf-us] [xnh] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3806 17:00 most of the levels where you levitate over water don't have many intelligent enemies 17:00 the much bigger risk would be electric eels, which isn't a reflectable attack 17:00 [hdf-us] [xnh] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a copper pyramidal amulet on an altar, on T:3815 17:01 [hdf-us] [xnh] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3845 17:02 fwiw, I did die once to a wand of death on Juiblex's level 17:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] Nunnullus (Arc Hum Mal Law) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a monkey corpse, on T:3363 17:02 despite having three items that should theoretically prevent it 17:02 a foocubus was involved, as was a two-handed weapon 17:02 kinky 17:02 (which prompted me to unequip my shield of reflection) 17:03 [hdf-us] [hackm] willisllama (Pir Hum Mal Neu), 864 points, T:1397, killed by a gecko 17:04 ais523: how do you plan to deal with black dragons without reflection? 17:04 two handed weapons are rarely worth using in vanilla 17:04 Noisytoot: geno, usually 17:04 can get blue dragons at the same time if you want to 17:05 [hdf-us] [dnh] guest99987 (Bin Hlf Fem Non), 390 points, T:808, killed by a coyote, while helpless 17:05 do you genocide D? 17:05 so genoless is a sort of "counterpart" to reflectionless, just like wishless is to polypileless 17:05 either conduct is fairly easy on its own, but both at once is much harder 17:05 you can also revgeno black dragons in a small room while standing on a burnt E or ?oSM and wearing junk armour ā€“ if the room is small enough they don't like to breath 17:06 that gets disint res fairly safely 17:06 the wand of wishing room in the Castle is a good place for it 17:06 although you need to boulder-fort off the corners 17:06 the scale farming trick, yeah 17:06 (that breaks no conducts but illit) 17:06 and if you're a stickler for that you can use hostile giants to provide boulders 17:07 and the informal "entering the castle" conduct :P 17:07 kick in the door, then push the boulder down the hall 17:07 you have to enter the castle during the asc run, don't you? 17:07 you can also bounce spells off walls - thankfully dragons haven't learnt this trick themselves! 17:07 umbire, reading the cursed scroll is gonna break illit 17:07 Umbire: revgeno breaks illit 17:07 ah right lmao 17:08 going back and forth between a few things so 17:08 i dont think you have to enter the castle. the level, yes. the building, no 17:08 you can also just wish for tins of black dragon meat 17:08 in theory you could use the treasure rooms in the castle, if there were a black dragon in either of the spots closer to the trapdoors 17:08 does bypassing the castle by going over the moat count? 17:08 you would still enter it from the back 17:08 cant you levelport past it? 17:08 not holding the Amulet 17:08 to the votd 17:08 not on the way up 17:09 yeah on the way back up you get placed outside of the castle 17:09 or, well, you can in 3.4.3 due to a bug but that was fixed 17:09 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Dra Hum Fem Cha), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled baby shimmering dragon 17:09 so you never have to enter the building and can just walk around it 17:09 ah, so the idea is to levport down past it, then go round the moat on the way back up 17:09 I think that works 17:09 yeah, and then you technically never entered the castle building, a very real conduct that people care about 17:09 :P 17:10 I think it's healthy to care about all conducts to some extent, even the silly ones 17:10 there was that whole "ascend without pressing 'p'" incident 17:10 yeah a lot of formal ones came from informal ones 17:10 [hdf-us] [xnh] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 3 points, T:21, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 17:10 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 17:11 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) performed her first annihilation (gnomes), on T:1 17:11 has anyone ascended one of the variants with an "everything has 1 HP" mode (I think unnethack) with it enabled? 17:12 I'm not aware of it having happened, but it's quite plausible that it could happen and I'd just miss it 17:12 not sure, i seem to recall adeon getting somewhat deep into a run? not sure 17:12 I imagine it'd change the difficulty distribution of the game quite substantially 17:12 I think most variants that work like that give the players a few HP-lifesaves 17:13 that said, I've won HyperRogue many times, which is basically "everything has 1 HP: the game", but the mechanics are very warped around it to make it work 17:13 e.g. monster combat is entirely deterministic, and moves that would allow a monster to attack you are automatically cancelled (you lose by having no valid moves left) 17:14 I'd like to see someone ascend without moving east. I think an 'eastless' ascention would be very notable 17:14 are northeast and southeast allowed? 17:14 Of course 17:14 presumably travelling east isn't 17:14 [hdf-eu] [nh370] XYS (Tou Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased +3 gauntlets of power", got "a greased pair of riding gloves", on T:31192 17:14 grid bug ascension 17:14 fwiw this is a commonly seen conduct/challenge run in platformers 17:15 westless/eastless 17:15 where you can't intentionally tell your character to move or turn in a specific direction 17:15 I tried a motionless ascention, but just couldn't finish it. 17:15 I seriously tried planning for "no use of magical items" once, but didn't get beyond the planning stage 17:15 [hdf-us] [dnh] guest99987 (Bin Hlf Fem Non), 728 points, T:1323, killed by a dart trap 17:16 magical items are defined as "oc_magic", so you can use artifacts with a nonmagical base class 17:16 the Heart of Ahriman is surprisingly actually good 17:16 in that situation 17:16 as it's one of the only legal levitation sources 17:17 ā€¦I guess this definition means that the Magic Mirror of Merlin is in fact not magical 17:18 can you read spellbooks? 17:18 if not, can you cast spells if you started with them? 17:18 no, yes 17:21 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:21 [hdf-eu] [nh343] ais523 (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:7555 17:22 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 17:22 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 17:23 ais, do you think it is possible to "boil the NetHack gameplay down to an approximately 30-60 minute full game playtime experience while still retaining the NetHack feel." 17:23 ais523: do NOT tamper with the 343 scoreboard that i have so rightfully claimed 17:23 ? 17:23 * anselmus is leading in like 5 of 7 categories 17:24 Bleeko: Is attacking/throwing stuff east allowed? Or hurtling east while levitating? Or getting knocked back east in variants that have that? 17:24 but you can have fastest realtime :p 17:24 Demo: it probably is, after all it can be ascended in an hour: you would probably lose things like the tedious messing about with inventory but that's probalby a good thing 17:24 [hdf-eu] [un] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:1, killed by kicking a wall 17:24 im at odds with an attempt 17:24 https://github.com/demogorgon22/brevishack/blob/3.4.3-nao/changelog.md 17:25 nethack already is a 30-60 minute full game playtime experience wym 17:25 [hdf-eu] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:31, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 17:25 anselmus: I'm trying to score well in junethack myself, so there are limits to how much I can keep other people in their leaderboard positions 17:25 [hdf-eu] [spl] post163 (Kni Inf Fem Law), 27 points, T:66, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 17:25 Hmm, I guess if you don't actually type 'l' or the numpad equiv, I guess its all fair game! 17:25 [hdf-eu] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 0 points, T:308, killed by a system shock 17:26 you already retired, you're not even allowed to play 17:26 the platformer conduct normally bans pressing the specific key used to move in the given direction 17:26 [hdf-us] [xnh] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:6487 17:26 anselmus: I didn't retire, I was always planning to come back some day 17:27 shadowrider, maybe for luxidream, but for you i'm still seeing a time north of 60 minutes :) 17:27 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Lukethecool1001 (Bar Eth Mal Neu) killed Raggo the Gnome King, on T:2919 17:27 this latest burst is because I spent a couple of weeks being unproductive and trying to do things that were too hard 17:27 your nethack license is inactive, i'm sorry 17:27 and wanted a change, and it's June, so may as well play some NetHack 17:27 anselmus: I'm on the DevTeam, if anyone's in charge of NetHack licenses, it's us 17:28 lol demo 17:29 just you wait 17:29 im going to be the first sub 30 vanilla ascension 17:29 in 1.3d 17:29 you already have an incredibly unfair advantage alphabetically 17:29 and playing NetHack once in a while is useful because it helps to understand the game you're developing 17:30 <@cpittman> The gift shop in Mine Town has a hell of a deal. You can get 2 Amulets of Yendor for $10 17:30 they may not be real 17:31 seems too good to be true 17:34 i dont think 1.3d is even playable consistently 17:34 i simply dont get it 17:35 [hdf-us] [dnh] guest99987 (Bin Hlf Fem Non), 152 points, T:861, killed by a grid bug, while fainted from lack of food 17:35 shadowrider38: 30 minutes or turns? 17:36 its not playable consistently thats why its such a good version for speedrunning 17:36 30 minutes noisytoot 17:36 its probably fairly easy to get it lower than that too tbh 17:36 <@cpittman> Don't be jealous, I'm very charismatic and got a good deal. Now I'll have spares in case I lose the real one later 17:39 [hdf-us] [xnh] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a bat, on T:7542 17:40 [hdf-eu] [nh370] XYS (Tou Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:31337 17:40 [hdf-eu] [nh370] XYS (Tou Hum Mal Neu) genocided class h, on T:31337 17:41 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a scroll of annihilation 17:44 [hdf-us] [xnh] DragonSidedD (Mon Hum Mal Cha) consulted the Oracle, on T:8488 17:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] Nunnullus (Arc Hum Mal Law), 2084 points, T:6550, killed by a leather golem 17:53 [hdf-us] [xnh] arrow (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 7120 points, T:6952, quit 17:55 woo, got sleep res off an elf zombie corpse 17:55 [hdf-us] [xnh] arrow (Ran Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1 17:55 the sort of thing that would be too dangerous early, but is safe once you have a unihornā€¦ 17:55 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Dra Elf Mal Neu), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled baby silver dragon 17:56 [hdf-us] [xnh] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 0 points, T:16, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 17:56 [hdf-eu] [spl] post163 (Wiz Mer Fem Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of cold 17:57 [hdf-us] [hackm] post163 (Yeo Elf Mal Law), 2 points, T:46, killed by handling crossbow bolts that was made of iron 17:57 [hdf-us] [hackm] post163 (Yeo Elf Mal Neu), 9 points, T:87, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 17:58 I chance it early more often than you'd think 17:58 though typically with fake bones elves before elf zombies 17:58 I tend to have a prayer banked at minimum when I do 17:59 ...well I accidentally turned my smoky djinni into a salamander 17:59 coolā„¢ 17:59 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Inf Hum Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:992 (0:12:04) 17:59 @?fire giant 17:59 fire giant (H) | Lvl: 9 | Diff: 11 | Spd: 12 | Res: fire | Confer: fire | MR: 5 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 4 | Atk: 2d10 weapon physical | Align: 2 | genocidable, carnivore, infravis 17:59 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:00 -!- hackemslashem has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:00 [hdf-us] [un] post163 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 488 points, T:968, slipped while mounting a saddled horse 18:00 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Lukethecool1001 (Bar Eth Mal Neu) was given Cleaver, on T:6198 18:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 2 points, T:9, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 18:01 [hdf-us] [un] post163 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) genocided humans on a level in The Dungeons of Doom, on T:1 (0:00:02) 18:01 @?rock troll 18:01 rock troll (T) | Lvl: 9 | Diff: 12 | Spd: 12 | Res: none | Confer: nothing | MR: 0 | Gen: gehennom dungeons | AC: 0 | Atk: 3d6 weapon physical, 2d8 claw physical, 2d6 bite physical | Align: -3 | genocidable, carnivore, regen, stalker, infravis 18:02 [hdf-eu] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 109 points, T:223, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 18:02 [hdf-eu] [spl] post163 (Dra Dro Mal Neu), 5 points, T:20, slipped while mounting a saddled baby green dragon 18:07 [hdf-eu] [nh370] xororand (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1629 points, T:2760, killed by a gnome lady, while praying 18:08 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Inf Hum Fem Una), 1314 points, T:1382, killed by a hobgoblin 18:09 -!- phinxy has joined #hardfought 18:09 Wanwan hits the leprechaun. Wanwan knocks the leprechaun backward with a forceful blow! The leprechaun bumps into a cockatrice. The leprechaun is slowing down. The leprechaun turns to stone. 18:09 I love emergent gameplay 18:12 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest4965 18:12 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 18:14 -!- Guest4965 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:15 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Lukethecool1001 (Bar Eth Mal Neu) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:8205 18:15 -!- docpi has joined #hardfought 18:15 only 48 hours left in the tourney effectively 18:16 actually no 18:16 but ending thursday night for me 18:17 <@cpittman> Oh... I remember why I left this level only partially explored now. Blue dragon nest. 18:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] vor (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Sokoban bag of holding, on T:6713 18:18 splat incoming? 18:19 Late but you know something that I've only seen in basically one variant (and probably with good reason) 18:19 gibs 18:20 [hdf-eu] [nh370] XYS (Tou Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Journeyer (level 18), on T:31351 18:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] dingotron (Bar Hum Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (2nd time), on T:35321 18:20 detonation projectiles that kill monsters in Grunt splatter chunks of their meat 18:21 <@cpittman> I was eating a baby blue dragon in a dark hallway and a blast of lightning bounced off my shield. Then telepathy kicked in and I saw a bunch of D's on the level, with an adult blue dragon just a few squares away 18:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] dingotron (Bar Hum Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:35376 18:22 surprised we don't have amputated limbs yet 18:25 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Inf Hum Fem Una), 548 points, T:930, killed by an exploding wand 18:25 i want to say I am done adulting for the day. but I wont get my hopes up 18:26 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) destroyed lacca's ghost, the former Idolatress, on T:7674 (1:53:43) 18:28 <@cpittman> Strange. Found 5 conical hats and 4 rings of shock resistance on the level. Slowly making it back toward their nest, but I think I got rid of the elders on the level 18:29 how very convenient 18:30 [hdf-eu] [nh343] ais523 (Val Dwa Fem Law) retrieved the Mine's End luckstone, on T:9994 18:31 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Lukethecool1001 (Bar Eth Mal Neu) destroyed the Lokoban Pinata, on T:9167 18:31 [hdf-us] [nh4] Alice (flandre) (Sam Hum Fem Law), 31704 points, T:1862, killed by a pony 18:31 ooh, I can identify luckstones via IRC 18:31 thanks, Beholder 18:31 [hdf-us] [un] post163 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a scroll of genocide 18:33 [hdf-eu] [un] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 18:35 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Aphrodite, on T:11026 (4:40:05) 18:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tog (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) became literate by reading a book, on T:7356 18:36 [hdf-us] [un] post163 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered a shop, on T:1448 (0:03:02) 18:37 [hdf-us] [un] post163 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1713 (0:04:09) 18:37 [hdf-us] [un] post163 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 642 points, T:1780, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 18:38 [hdf-eu] [nh370] XYS (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:31450 18:38 ais523, yep 18:38 super handy, that 18:38 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 0 points, T:343, killed by an unsuccessful polymorph 18:38 <@cpittman> Ack, I swear that elder blue dragon teleported to me. It came out of nowhere. Luckily was close enough to a wall to bounce a wand between us 18:38 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Kni Dwa Mal Law), 0 points, T:90, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 18:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) murdered his faithful kitten, on T:1 18:39 [hdf-eu] [spl] post163 (Kni Dwa Fem Law), 302 points, T:14, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 18:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 20 points, T:1, caught himself in his own ball of lightning 18:41 [hdf-us] [nh4] sdfl (post163) (Kni Hum Fem Law), 1228 points, T:53, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 18:42 [hdf-us] [nh4] lafl (post163) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 0 points, T:1, wiped out by a scroll of genocide 18:42 -!- shadowrider38 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:46 [hdf-us] [dnh] guest99987 (Bin Hlf Fem Non), 22440 points, T:4063, killed by a bone devil of Moloch 18:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 350 points, T:733, killed by a bolt of fire zapped by herself 18:49 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Wiz Gno Nbn Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of cold 18:49 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Gia Fem Cha), 0 points, T:3, killed by a falling object 18:49 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Inf Hum Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:1258 (0:22:01) 18:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) murdered his faithful kitten, on T:14 18:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 218 points, T:534, killed by a bat 18:51 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Wiz Gno Nbn Neu), 73 points, T:353, killed by a system shock 18:52 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Kni Dwa Mal Law), 0 points, T:32, slipped while mounting a saddled pony called Fluttershy 18:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 4 points, T:10, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 18:52 [hdf-us] [xnh] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 7 points, T:35, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 18:57 -!- terrapin has joined #hardfought 18:59 omg I love it when you read a scroll of identify and it id's everything in your inventory 19:00 <@cpittman> Especially near the beginning when you have a bunch of new stuff 19:05 [hdf-us] [hackm] post163 (Yeo Hum Mal Neu), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 19:06 [hdf-us] [un] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 0 points, T:1, killed by kicking a wall 19:06 [hdf-us] [un] post163 (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of fire 19:06 [hdf-us] [un] post163 (Wiz Vam Fem Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of cold 19:06 [hdf-us] [un] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:1, killed by kicking a wall 19:06 [hdf-eu] [nh370] XYS (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:32284 19:06 [hdf-us] [un] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:1, killed by kicking a wall 19:07 [hdf-us] [un] post163 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of fire 19:07 [hdf-us] [un] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 221 points, T:185, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 19:08 [hdf-us] [un] post163 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a scroll of genocide 19:08 [hdf-us] [un] post163 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) genocided humans on a level in The Dungeons of Doom, on T:1 (0:00:02) 19:08 [hdf-us] [un] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 19:08 [hdf-us] [nh4] fadsl (post163) (Kni Hum Mal Law), 3597 points, T:51, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 19:08 [hdf-us] [nh4] dslf (post163) (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:1, killed by kicking a wall 19:08 [hdf-us] [nh4] ls (post163) (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of cold 19:09 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Pri Dro Fem Cha) had a spellbook of detect food given to her by Lolth, on T:19527 (4:30:11) 19:09 [hdf-us] [nh4] aflds (post163) (Kni Hum Mal Law), 5753 points, T:33, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 19:09 [hdf-us] [nh4] sdl (post163) (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 19:09 <@post163> !variant 19:09 @post163: evilhack 19:10 [hdf-eu] [spl] post163 (Dra Elf Nbn Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by kicking a wall 19:10 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Gia Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (giants), on T:1 (0:00:02) 19:10 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) had Werebane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:12004 (2:37:46) 19:10 -!- shadowrider38 has joined #hardfought 19:10 [hdf-eu] [spl] post163 (Kni Inf Mal Cha), 0 points, T:21, killed by handling a silver tin opener 19:11 [hdf-eu] [nh370] XYS (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:32444 19:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1842 points, T:1479, killed by a wererat 19:12 I've been coasting on a full ID for a minute, might be due to price ID some stuff 19:12 figure out remove curse if nothing else 19:13 [hdf-eu] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 66 points, T:494, fell into a pit 19:13 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 19:13 [hdf-us] [xnh] arrow (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 433 points, T:1303, killed by a manes 19:17 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Gia Mal Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a scroll of genocide 19:18 [hdf-us] [un] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 19:22 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Superfly (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1436 19:23 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Superfly (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 647 points, T:1444, killed by a fire ant 19:24 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Superfly (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) found Trollsbane on the floor, on T:55 19:31 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Wiz Gno Nbn Neu) performed their first annihilation (class G), on T:1 19:32 [hdf-au] [hackm] 9629 (Sam Hum Mal Law), 2049 points, T:1766, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted centaurian watchman 19:38 [hdf-eu] [nh370] XYS (Tou Hum Mal Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 6 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:33337 19:39 SIX zorkmids?? THAT CHEAP?? 19:41 It's based on gold in open inventory, so. 19:43 [hdf-eu] [spl] post163 (Dra Elf Fem Cha), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled baby orange dragon 19:43 in this economy, demon princes accept anything 19:45 demons dont count in normal number orders 19:45 six is like, one of their higher numbers 19:45 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] vor (Mon Hum Mal Neu) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:8565 19:51 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 740 points, T:1817, killed by a gnome king 19:52 [hdf-eu] [nh370] XYS (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Orcus, on T:34019 19:59 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed Gollum, on T:822 (0:07:49) 20:00 -!- viryanah has joined #hardfought 20:01 [hdf-eu] [nh370] XYS (Tou Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:34340 20:01 [hdf-eu] [nh370] XYS (Tou Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:34342 20:02 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Wiz Gno Nbn Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a scroll of annihilation 20:02 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Lukethecool1001 (Bar Eth Mal Neu) wished for "blessed +2 orange dragon scale shield", on T:10322 20:03 [hdf-us] [4k] cpittman (Shi Val Fem Neu), 24420 points, T:22098, killed by a leocrotta 20:05 <@cpittman> Not sure if I was too good or too bad with wands. Was trying to create monsters to sacrifice and made too many of them 20:05 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Rog Dro Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:1346 (0:13:46) 20:05 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:4460 (0:15:35) 20:06 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Rog Dro Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (energy vortices), on T:1411 (0:14:42) 20:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 0 points, T:15, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 20:07 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Dra Elf Mal Cha), 2 points, T:13, slipped while mounting a saddled baby green dragon 20:08 [hdf-us] [un] post163 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 143 points, T:299, killed by a gnome 20:09 [hdf-us] [hackm] post163 (Yeo Elf Mal Neu), 0 points, T:42, slipped while mounting a saddled pony called Rarity 20:09 -!- bouquet has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:09 -!- bouquet has joined #hardfought 20:10 [hdf-us] [hackm] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law), 3689 points, T:2393, killed by a soldier ant 20:11 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Noisytoot (Acu Swn Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 Helping Hand", on T:40420 20:12 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Noisytoot (Acu Swn Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 Nenya", on T:40424 20:14 [hdf-eu] [xnh] Vis (Sam Hum Mal Law), 2324 points, T:2748, killed by a gray unicorn 20:14 [hdf-eu] [hackm] post163 (Wiz Elf Mal Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a system shock 20:15 [hdf-us] [sp] bleeko (Bar Hum Mal Cha), 5153 points, T:2212, killed by a land mine 20:17 [hdf-eu] [xnh] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 72 points, T:181, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 20:17 [hdf-eu] [un] post163 (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 0 points, T:201, killed by a system shock 20:19 An entire room of land mines, worse than ludios 20:19 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:15587 (3:46:43) 20:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] vor (Mon Hum Mal Neu) was bestowed with Magicbane by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:9582 20:20 i bet there are hobbyists that go to places with known active mines and attempt to disarm and collect them 20:21 [hdf-eu] [spl] post163 (Wiz Inf Fem Cha), 226 points, T:795, killed by a fox 20:22 [hdf-eu] [spl] post163 (Kni Dwa Fem Law), 4 points, T:81, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 20:22 [hdf-eu] [un] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 7 points, T:75, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 20:24 [hdf-eu] [xnh] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 113 points, T:225, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 20:24 [hdf-eu] [spl] post163 (Kni Dwa Fem Law), 0 points, T:3, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 20:25 [hdf-eu] [spl] post163 (Kni Dwa Mal Law), 114 points, T:240, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 20:26 [hdf-eu] [nh343] zHz (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered Gehennom for the first time, on T:33628 20:31 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Dro Fem Cha), 24404 points, T:12893, quit 20:32 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Lukethecool1001 (Bar Eth Mal Neu) killed the first wraithworm, on T:12980 20:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 20:33 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 46229 points, T:16306, killed by a fire elemental 20:34 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) became literate by reading The Blacksmith's Cookbook, on T:4964 (0:18:33) 20:35 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) killed Gollum, on T:5112 (0:19:28) 20:37 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Dhl-Hea Dro Fem Neu) averted death, on T:21133 20:39 Junethack: New user duing registered! https://junethack.net/user/duing 20:39 Junethack: 14000 games have been played! 20:39 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 2449 points, T:6460, killed by a dingo 20:41 [hdf-us] [4k] cpittman (Shi Val Fem Neu) became pious, on T:4356 20:42 -!- bouquet has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:43 [hdf-eu] [nh343] zHz (Tou Hum Mal Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 602 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:34321 20:43 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Noisytoot (Acu Swn Fem Law) was given their Quest, on T:40705 20:46 [hdf-us] [nh13d] Qwesti (Cav Mal), 1411 points, T:1016, orc 20:48 [hdf-eu] [nh343] zHz (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Juiblex, on T:34435 20:48 whee, scroll shop 20:54 yay 20:56 [hdf-eu] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 20:56 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Lukethecool1001 (Bar Eth Mal Neu) was given their Quest, on T:14639 20:59 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 6341 points, T:5385, killed by a tortle shaman, while paralyzed by a monster 20:59 now if a guy could get a couple levels 21:00 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Noisytoot (Acu Swn Fem Law) destroyed Menzoberranzan, on T:41513 21:02 [hdf-eu] [nh343] zHz (Tou Hum Mal Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 841 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:34965 21:03 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Lukethecool1001 (Bar Eth Mal Neu) killed the invisible Thoth Amon, on T:15005 21:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] killer (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 535 points, T:1998, killed by a crossbow bolt 21:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] killer (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 53 points, T:319, killed by a jackal 21:09 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Pri Dro Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (gelatinous cubes), on T:20648 (4:57:05) 21:09 [hdf-us] [evil] xialg (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Kas, on T:90010 (1 day, 5:36:38) 21:09 [hdf-eu] [nh343] ais523 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:16818 21:10 -!- phinxy has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.5-dev] 21:10 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Lukethecool1001 (Bar Eth Mal Neu) wished for "blessed +2 orange dragon scale shield", on T:15488 21:10 -!- phinxy has joined #hardfought 21:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 21:11 [hdf-eu] [nh343] ais523 (Val Dwa Fem Law) picked up the Bell of Opening, on T:16882 21:11 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Lukethecool1001 (Bar Eth Mal Neu) was given Gaia's Fate, on T:16310 21:11 graveyard with no wraiths 21:14 [hdf-us] [4k] cpittman (Shi Val Fem Neu) entered the Sokoban zoo, on T:5863 21:17 <@cpittman> Nice, I almost abandoned sokoban as soon as I saw the last level was the bag of holding. I already found a sack, bag of holding, and bag of tricks. Forgot that fourk will give you the other prize if you already have the one for that level 21:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] bleeko (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 3978 points, T:3228, killed by a mumak 21:18 [hdf-us] [slshm] wsx9000 (Wiz Dop Fem Cha), 182 points, T:402, killed by a water demon 21:22 Should be an oilskin sackl 21:22 -l 21:25 [hdf-us] [nh4] Alice (flandre) (Sam Hum Fem Law), 48100 points, T:9934, killed by a soldier ant 21:26 <@cpittman> Oh, it might be. Haven't priced ID'd it 21:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Smithgift (Tou Hum Fem Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:7729 21:27 <@cpittman> Whoops. Accidentally killed the pet puppy I should've abandoned in sokoban 21:29 [hdf-us] [4k] cpittman (Shi Val Fem Neu) received advice from The Oracle, on T:6373 21:29 ick, bunch of black dragons in this late throne room 21:30 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Lukethecool1001 (Bar Eth Mal Neu) killed Croesus, on T:17627 21:34 thankfully didn't have the stair 21:37 there we go, one with 5 wraiths 21:37 <@cpittman> Just found an early wand of wishing 21:37 need to divert pets though 21:37 -!- Announcy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:38 -!- Announcy has joined #hardfought 21:38 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Announcy] by ChanServ 21:40 [hdf-us] [gnoll] Abdlabl (Arc Hum Fem Neu), 50000 points, T:7079, quit 21:40 <@cpittman> ha, telling your pets not to eat wraiths reminds me of an owlbear companion in one of my D&D games. When left to his own devices he'll wander off and eat whatever's around. Like the time we found him licking an illithid that was chained up in a temple. 21:40 pf 21:41 anyway enjoy your WoW, hope you win that one 21:41 One more level for me... 21:42 [hdf-au] [nh370] UmberConductor (Rog Orc Fem Cha) attained the rank of Robber (level 14), on T:29453 21:42 [hdf-us] [4k] cpittman (Shi Val Fem Neu) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging named gold sticker", on T:6678 21:43 whee facetanked a shocking sphere 21:43 <@cpittman> Oh, wait. You can't recharge fourk wands of wishing. I forgot. 21:44 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Pri Dro Fem Cha) destroyed Loggers' ghost, the former Priest, on T:22298 (5:31:59) 21:44 Alright, there's Medusa 21:45 DL 27, snake isles again 21:45 [hdf-au] [nh370] youngster (Kni Hum Fem Law), 182 points, T:369, killed by a crossbow bolt 21:46 Probably gonna wish up free action lest I get my dick bitten off 21:47 <@cpittman> That would not be a pleasant way to go. "SNEK BIT MEH DICK" 21:47 Well guess who just got shafted under Medusa's isle 21:49 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:50 down stair leads to Castle, up stair to Medusa 21:51 [hdf-us] [4k] cpittman (Shi Val Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased +2 fixed orange dragon scales", on T:6681 21:52 so of course I get someone zapping wand of digging right where it's most inconvenient and gates me off the rest of the maze without digging 21:52 <@cpittman> Yep, and it'll be empty by the time you get it 21:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] bleeko (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 899 points, T:1791, killed by a rothe 21:54 I'm infinitely less concerned about that than I am last locationing the stairs and having to retame pets 21:54 -!- ais523 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] Smithgift (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 6672 points, T:10847, killed by a leocrotta 21:56 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 21:56 Last location achieved, wonderful 21:57 [hdf-au] [nh370] UmberConductor (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:30283 22:00 And now for everything to go pear shaped on the return trip 22:00 Bright side, only need to retame salamander 22:01 only needed one potion of levi 22:01 [hdf-au] [nh370] UmberConductor (Rog Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed magic harp named Follies of the Fallen", got "a harp named Follies of the Fallen", on T:30449 22:01 [hdf-us] [4k] Crispy (recuerdo) (Shi Val Fem Neu) entered the Sokoban zoo, on T:9919 22:03 Got a scaring tool for my trouble too 22:04 Questward ho! 22:05 <@cpittman> Found another Nabru. 'You read: "Nabru, killed by a gnome king".' 22:07 Izchak had only six candles, and there were no ?oEA early 22:07 <@cpittman> Regular-ass gnome had an amulet of life saving. At least I can id it now 22:07 I took that as a sign to polypile, even though I normally don't 22:07 those problems are both fixed, I'm still missing MR though so this game still isn't assured 22:08 [hdf-au] [nh370] UmberConductor (Rog Orc Fem Cha) was bestowed with Stormbringer by Kos, on T:30970 22:08 FIRST TRY IDIOT 22:10 [hdf-eu] [nh370] duwling (Pri Hum Mal Law), 142 points, T:501, killed by an invisible goblin 22:11 Hi Mr. Yeenoghu 22:14 <@cpittman> @nabrurocks do you remember a gnome king in mine town with a wand of sleep? That valkyrie was just avenged. 22:16 -!- shadowrider38 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:17 [hdf-us] [4k] cpittman (Shi Val Fem Neu) entered the Minetown temple, on T:7675 22:19 [hdf-eu] [nh343] ais523 (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a white dragon, on T:20450 22:20 -!- fakepass has joined #hardfought 22:20 there's that lack of MR I was concerned about 22:20 but this isn't too bad 22:23 -!- cathartes has joined #hardfought 22:23 [hdf-us] [4k] cpittman (Shi Val Fem Neu) killed the ghost of Nabru, the former Knight, on T:7719 22:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] vor (Mon Hum Mal Neu) became Chih Sung-tzu's Envoy of Balance, on T:10738 22:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] vor (Mon Hum Mal Neu) was bestowed with Vorpal Blade, on T:10738 22:26 ONCE MORE INTO THE FRAY MY DINOS 22:30 nearly 1v1'd a jabberwock successfully 22:35 <@cpittman> SASSY DINOSAURS! 22:35 <@cpittman> ...I MEAN SURLY!(?) 22:35 -!- Bleeko has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:37 [hdf-au] [nh370] UmberConductor (Rog Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed ring of free action named Once is Twice Too Many", got "a black onyx ring named Once is Twice Too Many", on T:32039 22:37 Of course I already had one 22:37 At least it means not dying to shock damage 5% 22:37 [hdf-au] [nh370] youngster (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 382 points, T:1943, fell into a pit 22:38 <@cpittman> Yeah, you always want a spare 22:38 [hdf-eu] [nh343] ais523 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:22247 22:41 -!- bouquet has joined #hardfought 22:42 [hdf-au] [nh370] cathartes (Kni Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed +2 gray dragon scale mail named fountain wish", got "a gray dragon scale mail named fountain wish", on T:9274 22:43 don't need to spend so much effort uncursing these magic lamps now, I guess 22:43 still need a bag, any bag 22:45 [hdf-us] [nh4] Alice (flandre) (Sam Hum Fem Law), 34382 points, T:1968, killed by a watch captain 22:46 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Pri Dro Fem Cha) killed the invisible Nalzok, on T:23467 (6:13:52) 22:49 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Pri Dro Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:23512 (6:16:13) 22:49 [hdf-us] [un] flandre (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1232 (0:03:19) 22:50 [hdf-us] [un] flandre (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered Minetown, on T:1577 (0:04:46) 22:51 [hdf-us] [un] flandre (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:1633 (0:05:23) 22:51 [hdf-us] [un] flandre (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:1645 (0:05:38) 22:52 !who 22:52 bouquet: [hdf-us] flandre [un] Som [dnh] Disruptor [dnh] cpittman [4k] recuerdo [4k] Ardub [xnh] merget [xnh] Lukethecool1001 [ndnh] k2 [evil] xialg [evil] Spider74656 [gnoll] Abdlabl [gnoll] arnibald [dyn] :: [hdf-eu] ais523 [nh343] duwling [nh370] :: [hdf-au] UmberConductor [nh370] cathartes [nh370] youngster [nh370] 22:53 [hdf-au] [nh370] cathartes (Kni Hum Fem Law) was bestowed with Sunsword by Lugh, on T:9575 22:53 The voice of Lugh rings out: "Use my gift wisely!" 22:53 I'm going to just leave it by the altar, probably. 22:54 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Dhl-Hea Dro Fem Neu) killed Oona, on T:24238 22:54 sunsword is amazing in VoTD 22:54 it's especially handy in evilhack 22:54 already have Excalibur, it's almost as good 22:55 oh, that's better for sure 22:56 I got it once as a priest. Quest a breeze even unskilled. 22:56 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Tou Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Voyager (level 22), on T:42634 22:56 I think there's a penalty for hitting with edged weapons as a priest now 22:56 [hdf-us] [un] flandre (Sam Hum Fem Law), 2522 points, T:2635, killed by a giant spider 22:57 In Evil, yes 22:58 Hm, no backstab feedback when using Stormbringer 22:59 Wait, two-weaponing 22:59 lol 23:00 [hdf-au] [nh370] cathartes (Kni Hum Fem Law) was bestowed with Werebane by Lugh, on T:9725 23:00 that one goes in the pile with Sunsword 23:02 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Pri Dro Fem Cha) returned The Mitre of Holiness to the Arch Priest, completing her quest, on T:24159 (6:30:03) 23:05 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Lukethecool1001 (Bar Eth Mal Neu) killed Axus, on T:22572 23:07 -!- shadowrider38 has joined #hardfought 23:07 [hdf-eu] [nh343] ais523 (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "3 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:24186 23:07 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:42869 23:08 [hdf-eu] [nh343] ais523 (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed +3 Sceptre of Might", on T:24188 23:10 [hdf-us] [4k] cpittman (Shi Val Fem Neu) reached the bottom of the Mines, on T:9293 23:10 [hdf-us] [gnoll] Abdlabl (Arc Hum Fem Neu), 15000 points, T:1623, killed by a homunculus 23:14 <@cpittman> Can't waste a game with an early wand of wishing by dying early. Decided to run away for a change. Still had to pray to survive, though. 23:17 [hdf-au] [nh370] youngster (Hea Hum Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1853 23:17 Alive is alive 23:17 I spent like 10k turns waiting out the zoo in Soko 23:21 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Lukethecool1001 (Bar Eth Mal Neu) destroyed the Arsenal, on T:23126 23:21 <@cpittman> Hell yeah 23:22 Mindblasts wake up quest nemeses on the same floor, right? 23:22 <@cpittman> My damn short attention span made me forget I JUST went up the stairs to heal. 23:23 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Lukethecool1001 (Bar Eth Mal Neu) killed Oona, on T:23253 23:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] vor (Mon Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a hobbit, on T:12368 23:28 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Tou Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:43610 23:28 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Tou Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:43611 23:29 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Lukethecool1001 (Bar Eth Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:23582 23:29 [hdf-us] [dyn] Arnibald (arnibald) (Val Hum Fem Law), 1065562 points, T:82835, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/a/arnibald/dynahack/dumplog/2023-06-27%2023_29_08%2C%20Arnibald-Val-Hum-Fem-Law%2C%20ascended.txt 23:32 [hdf-eu] [nh343] ais523 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom for the first time, on T:24938 23:33 [hdf-eu] [nh370] duwling (Pri Hum Mal Law) became literate by reading a book, on T:3615 23:37 Junethack: arnibald ascended a game of DynaHack on www.hardfought.org! 23:38 gg 23:41 [hdf-eu] [nh343] ais523 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:25176 23:41 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Lukethecool1001 (Bar Eth Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:24561 23:42 [hdf-au] [nh370] cathartes (Kni Hum Fem Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Lugh, on T:12239 23:42 [hdf-eu] [nh343] ais523 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:25256 23:44 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 23:47 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Geryon, on T:44546 23:54 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Lukethecool1001 (Bar Eth Mal Neu) wished for "the blessed +2 Holy Moonlight Sword", on T:24916 23:56 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Lukethecool1001 (Bar Eth Mal Neu) wished for "a blessed magic marker", on T:24917 23:59 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Asmodeus, on T:45078