00:00 cathartes: i didn't add shock resistant because most monsters aren't shock resistant 00:01 cathartes: the enchantment field affects everything, so if you set to +7 that means a +7 mjollnir and a +7 foo which you are twoweaponing 00:01 but a +7 grayswandir effectively has +14 extra damage 00:02 [hdf-au] [hackm] Serel (Jed Hum Mal Law), 18108 points, T:17405, killed by a purple worm 00:04 cathartes: hmm, i have the grayswandir double damage occuring excluding enchantment. you and the wiki disagree with this, let me double check, since i think i did that based on something i saw in the source 00:08 [hdf-au] [hackm] Serel (Jed Hum Mal Law), 1479 points, T:1378, killed by a giant mosquito 00:13 [hdf-us] [dnh] Jack (Hdr-Wiz Dro Mal Neu) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:20642 00:13 [hdf-au] [hackm] Serel (Jed Hum Mal Law), 577 points, T:1058, withered away 00:14 cathartes: ok, fixed :) thanks again! hopefully the results look more accurate now. 00:29 [hdf-us] [un] TreninB (Wiz Vam Fem Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:5746 (1:02:17) 00:30 [hdf-au] [hackm] Serel (Jed Hum Mal Law), 722 points, T:1251, killed by a poisonous cloak 00:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] dingotron (Bar Hum Fem Cha) consulted the Oracle, on T:6424 00:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] dingotron (Bar Hum Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:6544 00:38 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Dro Fem Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:72229 (17:36:47) 00:39 [hdf-us] [un] TreninB (Wiz Vam Fem Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:6714 (1:12:40) 00:40 [hdf-us] [un] TreninB (Wiz Vam Fem Neu) entered the Big Room, on T:6803 (1:13:49) 00:43 -!- kewldewd has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] secra (Mon Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:3507 00:45 [hdf-au] [hackm] Serel (Jed Hum Mal Law), 2182 points, T:2641, killed by a parrot, while fainted from lack of food 00:50 [hdf-eu] [nh370] wispofvapor (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed Orcus, on T:66052 00:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] secra (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 1646 points, T:3975, killed by a gold golem 00:55 [hdf-eu] [nh370] wispofvapor (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Mage (level 30), on T:66264 01:12 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:14 cathartes: what're you guys talking about? 01:14 anselmus: Moult[m]'s damage calculator at https://thinkmoult.com/nethack-damage-calculator.html 01:16 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:17 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 01:17 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 01:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Arc Hum Mal Law), 467 points, T:1787, killed by a jackal 01:19 cathartes: it's helped me understand why the staff of aesculapius or unihorn was totally underwhelming in gehennom, and what i should aim for instead (i.e. +7 blessed knives or grays/frost) 01:20 i'm surprised at just how powerful a big stack of +7 blessed knives are for healers 01:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Arc Hum Mal Law), 114 points, T:741, killed by a fox 01:23 -!- shadowrider38 has joined #hardfought 01:24 -!- shadowrider38 has quit [Client Quit] 01:29 [hdf-us] [nh343] docpi (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had an athame named Magicbane bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:10283 01:29 MAGICBAAAAAAAAANE! 01:33 docpi: the calculator only considers damage, not additional effects, so magicbane ranks pretty poorly there 01:35 Moult[m], poorly where? 01:35 docpi: https://thinkmoult.com/nethack-damage-calculator.html 01:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Arc Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:5279 01:37 Neat, Moult, but I like MAgicbane for its special abilities. 01:38 docpi: indeed :) 01:38 Which, as you say, your calculator does not take into account. But the probing, the MR, the stunning, the sacring, the cancellation, are all so great. 01:38 Nice calculcator you got there, Moult[m]. 01:38 hm a trident does d12 but it says max 9 01:38 under wiz 01:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1288 points, T:6724, killed by a gas spore's explosion 01:39 anselmus: perhaps you need to select large monster size, it defaults to small 01:43 trident does 3d4, averaging 7.5 01:43 (to large) 01:43 ok but now it's showing long sword as 12 max, i'm sure there's a penalty for unskilled 01:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1369 points, T:2076, killed by a homunculus, while sleeping 01:45 anselmus: did you set your skill level? it defaults to the max possible skill level for your role 01:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Arc Hum Mal Law), 4 points, T:97, killed by a goblin 01:46 well i'm looking now at pri, same thing 01:46 anyway i'm sure there's a reason :) 01:47 -!- ajh has joined #hardfought 01:48 and i'm sure we all already know there are no good melee options for the squishy 01:50 after my experience with a +5 aklys i'm inclined to believe max damage is more important than average 01:50 because it was absolutely useless 01:51 anselmus: there is a penalty for unskilled, but there is also a bonus for strength 01:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Arc Hum Mal Law), 736 points, T:2887, killed by a giant rat, while frozen by a floating eye's gaze 01:52 anselmus: it ranks avg first, then max second 01:55 thank you, bookmarked :) 01:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Arc Hum Mal Law), 159 points, T:636, killed by a fox 02:00 [hdf-au] [nh343] Mishka (Bar Orc Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a silver dragon, on T:45207 02:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Arc Hum Mal Law), 261 points, T:664, killed by a hobbit 02:05 [hdf-au] [xnh] Moult (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 358 points, T:1956, killed by a rothe 02:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Arc Hum Mal Law), 3067 points, T:1768, quit 02:14 [hdf-eu] [ace] ais523 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 252646 points, T:32329, ascended 02:14 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/a/ais523/acehack/dumplog/1687386828.ace.txt 02:15 first AceHack ascension this Junethack, I think 02:15 ais523: Message from Moult[m] at 2023-06-20 20:48 EDT: i think the unskilled versions are not identical to the wands. the wand causes a ray of fire whereas unskilled fireball causes a 12d6 explosion 02:16 7 hours 40 – that's encouraging for my ascension speed, because I did Ludios for the achivement 02:17 [hdf-au] [xnh] Moult (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 239 points, T:1248, killed by a homunculus 02:17 was a weird game, no unihorn before Castle, and I didn't wish for one either (rather, I wished for conflict and used it to arrange an accident for a coaligned unicorn, although that took ages) 02:17 ais523: congrats! 02:18 katana strats are proving to be surprisingly viable 02:19 [hdf-au] [nh343] Mishka (Bar Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fireproof greased +3 cloak of magic resistance", on T:45828 02:19 -!- tsadok_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:20 although it was first altar, which helped – I think I could probably have done all three though, had 14 !oFH left and didn't need to use one on Astral yet 02:20 -!- tsadok has joined #hardfought 02:21 also I'm pretty sure I didn't have maxed out luck 02:21 I forgot to sacfest for luck after getting the luckstone, so I did a little sacfesting on the asc run in case it helped me hit things 02:22 (by first AceHack asc, I mean first *by anyone*, not just by me) 02:24 gg 02:25 Junethack: Achievement "Anti-Stoner: defeated Medusa in two variants" unlocked by ais523! 02:25 Junethack: ais523 ascended a game of AceHack on eu.hardfought.org! 02:25 Junethack: Achievement "Diversity Ascender: Ascended two variants" unlocked by ais523! 02:25 katana/long sword for offhand is probably very common strategy 02:29 maybe 02:29 I didn't used to do it, though 02:29 and then I started *wishing* for the katana 02:30 another possibility is to just find a longsword (which is fairly easy) and pour a load of enchants into it, but I don't have those the way I play 02:30 just look at my weapons: +4 Excalibur, +2 Katana 02:30 (and +3 Scepter of Might but I wasn't planning to attack with it) 02:30 * Sceptre of Might 02:30 I tried to wish it with an enchantment but faield 02:31 (the katana, that is) 02:31 [hdf-us] [gnoll] cpittman (Val Hum Fem Law), 1700 points, T:18393, strangled to death by a boa constrictor 02:32 I think silver saber for offhand is probably more common, but I think it's inferior because the hardest fights in the game aren't against silver-haters 02:32 but rather late-game zoos, HPoM, Rodney and Astral 02:32 <@cpittman> The hardest fights are deciding to run away... 02:33 <@cpittman> 90% of my deaths are due to not running. 02:34 are those tactical "not running" deaths – i.e. you could run and you'd be fine – or are those strategic deaths where you've put yourself in a situation where running is not a viable option, and then encounter a fight that's too hard? 02:34 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed Asmodeus, on T:43333 02:35 <@cpittman> Probably 95/5 former/latter 😄 02:36 <@cpittman> I know it happened at least once.... 02:36 [hdf-eu] [nh370] MalkMcJorma (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 1314 points, T:2084, killed by a rothe 02:39 I'm guessing that the choice of silver saber as secondary weapon is probably common due to its association with grayswandir. 02:39 arch-lich summoned jabberwock on DL7 :-( thought I could do Medusa after soko and mines 02:41 anyway, I should go to bed – I ascended in sub-8-hours just so I could go to sleep at a reasonable time 02:41 night everyone 02:41 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 02:41 ais523: impressive game! Gnight! 02:42 * anselmus has done dual long swords 02:43 all overkill by that point 02:47 [hdf-eu] [nh370] MalkMcJorma (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 495 points, T:1008, killed by a dwarf zombie, while frozen by a floating eye's gaze 02:49 I like double crysknives. Lightweight, high damage, and stackable so they can save scrolls of enchant weapon. 02:53 [hdf-eu] [nh370] wispofvapor (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed Yeenoghu, on T:67304 02:56 -!- cathartes has quit [Quit: fly away] 02:57 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed Gollum, on T:2067 (0:08:02) 02:59 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 03:00 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:2522 (0:10:41) 03:01 oh forgot to tell him that someone wanted to know if he was in AU 03:01 [hdf-eu] [nh370] MalkMcJorma (Pri Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1022 03:07 <@Ἑρμῆς ὁ Τρισμέγιστος> how much altar scumming for wallet of perseus is considered excessive 03:09 [hdf-eu] [nh370] wispofvapor (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) murdered her faithful giant zombie, on T:68693 03:09 [hdf-eu] [nh370] MalkMcJorma (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 1204 points, T:1492, killed by a dwarf queen 03:10 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 03:14 Junethack: LordSeth ascended a game of NetHack 3.6.7 on nethack.alt.org! 03:16 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una) destroyed lacca's ghost, the former Heretic, on T:5270 (0:27:03) 03:20 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:34 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Inf Ith Fem Una), 15985 points, T:9159, drowned in a moat 03:43 -!- wvc has joined #hardfought 03:45 [hdf-eu] [nh370] xororand (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1227 points, T:2521, killed by a soldier ant, while fainted from lack of food 03:45 -!- anselmus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:48 -!- hackemslashem has joined #hardfought 03:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] VFD (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:3200 03:57 [hdf-eu] [nh343] Vis (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 486 points, T:696, killed by a water moccasin 03:59 [hdf-eu] [un] joes (Kni Hum Fem Law) endured an absurd aquatic ceremony, and now wields Excalibur, on T:4697 (1:01:28) 04:00 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:01 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 04:02 -!- elenmirie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:02 -!- elenmirie_ is now known as elenmirie 04:02 -!- arahael has joined #hardfought 04:03 [hdf-eu] [nh343] Vis (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 492 points, T:945, killed by a manes 04:06 -!- OlgaU has quit [Server closed connection] 04:06 -!- OlgaU has joined #hardfought 04:09 [hdf-eu] [nh343] Vis (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 701 points, T:938, killed by a giant ant 04:09 [hdf-eu] [un] joes (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:5440 (1:11:32) 04:11 -!- oh6 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:13 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 04:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] VFD (Val Dwa Fem Law), 4503 points, T:6155, quit 04:33 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 04:44 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:47 [hdf-eu] [nh343] Vis (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 6907 points, T:4492, killed by a hill orc 04:51 the unnethack nymph level completely broke me 04:52 [hdf-eu] [un] joes (Kni Hum Fem Law), 4361 points, T:8650, killed by a vampire bat 04:53 [hdf-eu] [nh343] Vis (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 2345 points, T:643, killed by a killer bee 04:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] VFD (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1812 04:55 ajh: how? 04:59 they water-damaged my entire inventory 05:00 have you tried to slip by or have you enter the big cavern? 05:03 I made the mistake of entering and staying 05:04 two mistakes even 05:04 [hdf-eu] [nh343] Vis (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 620 points, T:959, killed by a homunculus 05:09 [hdf-eu] [nh343] Vis (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1038 points, T:683, killed by a soldier ant 05:36 -!- jess has quit [*.net *.split] 05:38 -!- jess has joined #hardfought 05:39 -!- oh6 has quit [Quit: oh6] 05:40 [hdf-eu] [nh343] Vis (Sam Hum Mal Law), 2958 points, T:3356, killed by a dog, while frozen by a monster's gaze 05:41 [hdf-eu] [nh370] xororand (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 410 points, T:940, killed by a gnome lord, while sleeping 05:45 [hdf-eu] [nh343] Vis (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1055 points, T:597, killed by a gnome lord 05:49 [hdf-eu] [nh343] Vis (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1472 points, T:592, killed by a gnome 05:59 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 06:00 [hdf-us] [dnh] Jack (Hdr-Wiz Dro Mal Neu) was given Windrider, on T:35141 06:03 [hdf-au] [xnh] Moult (Hea Gno Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:2614 06:05 [hdf-eu] [nh343] Vis (Sam Hum Mal Law) had a katana named Snickersnee bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:1351 06:09 [hdf-eu] [nh343] Vis (Sam Hum Mal Law), 3054 points, T:1783, killed by a straw golem, while frozen by a monster's gaze 06:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] VFD (Val Dwa Fem Law), 5257 points, T:6319, killed by a leocrotta 06:16 -!- krm26 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 683360 points, T:33532, quit 06:17 [hdf-us] [dnh] Jack (Hdr-Wiz Dro Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fossil dark", on T:35820 06:20 [hdf-us] [spl] oh6 (Sam Inf Nbn Law) killed Croesus, on T:28822 06:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 255 points, T:1415, killed by a sewer rat 06:29 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] parasite (Cav Inc Fem Law) killed Raggo the Gnome King, on T:41831 06:34 [hdf-us] [ndnh] post163 (Nob Dro Fem Cha), 12 points, T:57, slipped while mounting a saddled giant spider 06:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (humans), on T:1 06:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a scroll of genocide 06:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 0 points, T:44, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 06:36 [hdf-us] [hackm] post163 (Yeo Elf Mal Neu), 0 points, T:10, killed by a goblin 06:37 [hdf-us] [hackm] post163 (Yeo Hum Mal Law), 18 points, T:81, slipped while mounting a saddled pony called Twilight Sparkle 06:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 0 points, T:50, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 06:39 [hdf-eu] [nh343] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 190 points, T:154, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 06:43 -!- Guest86 has joined #hardfought 06:55 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 07:01 -!- Guest86 has quit [Quit: Client closed] 07:08 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Wiz Dwa Fem Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a psionic beam 07:09 [hdf-eu] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 07:11 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Kni Dwa Fem Law), 133 points, T:254, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 07:11 [hdf-us] [un] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 0 points, T:52, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 07:11 [hdf-eu] [hackm] post163 (Yeo Hum Mal Neu), 16 points, T:75, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 07:12 [hdf-eu] [un] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:9, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 07:15 -!- Bleeko has joined #hardfought 07:18 [hdf-au] [nh370] Serel (Sam Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a bugbear, on T:6700 07:22 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:1233 (0:12:06) 07:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] VFD (Val Dwa Fem Law), 4698 points, T:5529, killed by a dwarf queen, while sleeping 07:25 -!- froggles has joined #hardfought 07:26 [hdf-au] [nh370] Serel (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered the Bigroom, on T:8301 07:27 [hdf-au] [nh370] Serel (Sam Hum Mal Law), 15596 points, T:8406, killed by a freezing sphere's explosion 07:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 144 points, T:454, killed by a coyote, while reading a book 07:31 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1522 points, T:2851, killed by a piranha 07:33 Junethack: Achievement "Globetrotter: get a trophy in five variants" unlocked by Serel! 07:33 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in six variants" unlocked by Serel! 07:35 [hdf-us] [dnh] Jack (Hdr-Wiz Dro Mal Neu) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:36634 07:37 [hdf-au] [nh370] Serel (Sam Hum Mal Law), 199 points, T:534, killed by a homunculus, while sleeping 07:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] VFD (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1875 07:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 07:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 125 points, T:106, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 07:42 [hdf-eu] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 07:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:25, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 07:44 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Kni Inf Mal Law), 64 points, T:241, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 07:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 5 points, T:6, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 07:45 [hdf-us] [un] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 132 points, T:201, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 07:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] VFD (Val Dwa Fem Law), 604 points, T:2161, killed by a hill orc, while frozen by a floating eye's gaze 07:45 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Kni Dwa Nbn Law), 2 points, T:37, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 07:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1156 points, T:1566, killed by a dwarf zombie 07:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 57 points, T:24, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 07:46 [hdf-us] [hackm] post163 (Yeo Hum Mal Law), 50 points, T:159, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 07:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 11 points, T:23, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 07:47 [hdf-eu] [hackm] post163 (Yeo Hob Mal Law), 19 points, T:29, slipped while mounting a saddled pony called Rainbow Dash 07:47 [hdf-eu] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 3 points, T:14, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 07:50 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:1040 08:00 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1774 points, T:4671, killed by a rabid rat 08:02 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Superfly (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 2795 points, T:3031, killed by an orc-captain 08:06 [hdf-au] [xnh] Moult (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 4922 points, T:5284, killed by a leocrotta 08:07 ah, too confident after getting a cockatrice corpse 08:07 pity, that was a pretty good run, got speed boots, 5p protection after protection racket... 08:07 <@post163> !lastgame 08:07 @post163: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/d/dbanethacker/evilhack/dumplog/1687433478.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/S/Superfly/nethack/dumplog/1687392380.nh.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/M/Moult/xnethack/dumplog/1687414810.xnh.html 08:08 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Mon Elf Fem Neu) had 14 steel shuriken entrusted to her by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:1838 (0:17:15) 08:09 also cat pets are really terrible. they never do what you want 08:11 you mean in game or in real life? that statement could cover both 08:11 K2: Message from oh6 at 2023-06-21 20:24 EDT: my splicehack game crashed once more 08:11 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Mon Elf Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:2289 (0:19:56) 08:11 K2: heh, both :) 08:12 <@post163> Speaking of terrible pets I've seen my cat die to a grid bug at the start of the game. 08:12 -!- hackemslashem has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:14 there should be a rabbit pet which simply runs away anytime there's a monster 08:14 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 08:14 -!- krm26 has joined #hardfought 08:17 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Dra Hum Nbn Neu), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled baby violet dragon 08:17 [hdf-us] [dnh] Jack (Hdr-Wiz Dro Mal Neu) was given the Wrappings of the Sacred Fist, on T:38029 08:18 [hdf-au] [xnh] Moult (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 150 points, T:989, burned by an exploding fire bomb 08:18 well that was fast 08:18 [hdf-eu] [hackm] post163 (Yeo Elf Mal Neu), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 08:18 was that a potion of oil? 08:18 [hdf-eu] [gh] joes (Pri Gia Fem Neu), 1211 points, T:1863, killed by a rothe, while fainted 08:19 <@post163> !lastgame 08:19 @post163: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/d/dbanethacker/evilhack/dumplog/1687433478.evil.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/j/joes/gh/dumplog/1687424836.gh.txt :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/M/Moult/xnethack/dumplog/1687435825.xnh.html 08:20 You begin to memorize the runes. You add the "magic missile" spell to your repertoire. 08:20 pew pew pew goes the monk 08:21 [hdf-eu] [spl] post163 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a psionic beam 08:21 [hdf-eu] [gh] post163 (Kni Elf Mal Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 08:22 [hdf-eu] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 4 points, T:138, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 08:23 [hdf-eu] [spl] post163 (Kni Inf Fem Law), 59 points, T:143, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 08:24 You kill the warg! The seemingly dead warg suddenly transforms and rises as a vampire king! 08:24 ... that's a new one 08:24 -!- hackemslashem has joined #hardfought 08:24 (evil) 08:24 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Mon Elf Fem Neu), 8324 points, T:3800, killed by a vampire king 08:26 nabru, garlic? 08:26 !lastgame nabru 08:26 nabru: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/evilhack/dumplog/1683120838.evil.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/nethack4/dumplog/2020-08-11%2011%3A15%3A06%2C%20Testin%27-Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu%2C%20died.txt :: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/evilhack/dumplog/1687434667.evil.html 08:26 didn't have it 08:34 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed +3 dragonhide speed boots", on T:3279 (0:33:39) 08:42 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:3545 (0:42:23) 08:45 Do you guys look at your starting attributes much? Does it have a big impact on survivability in the early game? Or do you just play with what you get, keep well fed if possible, and if you have something like 8 strength maybe do some sokoban and perhaps roll a boulder (perhaps say around xl4-6?) 08:45 And if you guys do check the attributes, which do you pay attention to and why? 08:47 Moult[m], no, not really, yes, yes, possibly. 08:47 Moult[m], none. 08:48 I try to play with whatever I have 08:48 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 08:48 [hdf-us] [hackm] post163 (Yeo Hum Mal Neu), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 08:48 Then again, I have never ascended since I played my first game in Autumn of 1993, so there may or may not be some correlation or even causation. 08:49 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (illithids), on T:1 (0:00:03) 08:49 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a scroll of genocide 08:49 Those two lines beheld together are amazing. 08:50 I've ascended once since I played my first game in ... 2020, I think 08:50 nah, my first game was 2018 08:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 116 points, T:425, killed by a hobbit 08:50 https://nethackscoreboard.org/players/n/nabru.nh.html but I don't recall playing that game 08:50 [hdf-us] [un] post163 (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 0 points, T:3, killed by a system shock 08:51 [hdf-us] [nh4] dsfl (post163) (Kni Hum Mal Law), 7738 points, T:84, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 08:52 [hdf-us] [xnh] inlawBiker (Val Hum Fem Law) destroyed Lukethecool1001's ghost, the former Fighter, on T:10426 08:53 [hdf-us] [xnh] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 145 points, T:294, killed by a sewer rat 08:53 [hdf-eu] [spl] post163 (Dra Elf Nbn Neu), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled baby white dragon 08:54 <@post163> I started playing in 2019 and have never reached the castle. I got all the way down to floor 19 at XP:1 earler this month: https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/p/post163/unnethack/dumplog/1686582185.un.txt.html 08:56 [hdf-eu] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 3 points, T:26, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 08:57 [hdf-eu] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 54 points, T:392, killed by a fox 08:57 [hdf-eu] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 3 points, T:45, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 09:01 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed amulet of magic resistance", on T:4435 (1:01:11) 09:10 <@post163> @e?Goblin king 09:10 <@post163> @?jackal 09:11 <@post163> Pinobot seems to be down... 09:13 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:4983 (1:12:32) 09:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 09:17 nabru: its a marathon 09:17 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Gno Fem Cha), 115 points, T:536, killed by a sewer rat 09:18 docpi: cheers, curious about what the serial ascenders here would say 09:18 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Wiz Inf Mal Cha), 0 points, T:291, killed by a system shock 09:18 rule #1 of ascending nethack, have fun 09:18 nabru: ive seen you here a while I always assumed you were winning a ton 09:18 rule #2 of ascending nethack, don't die 09:18 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 52 points, T:41, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 09:19 I'm still learning rule #3 09:24 -!- viryanah has joined #hardfought 09:24 [hdf-au] [ndnh] Tangles (Bar Hlf Mal Cha) killed the creature in the ice, on T:34876 09:25 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Superfly (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a werewolf, on T:3841 09:27 [hdf-eu] [hackm] post163 (Wiz Gia Fem Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of fire 09:29 Demo: you seem to be doing pretty well on the first few rules :) 09:30 -!- viryanah has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:30 rule #3, don't play at tables that aren't dealing winning hands 09:31 [hdf-eu] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 5 points, T:54, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 09:38 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 09:39 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] parasite (Cav Inc Fem Law) was given Fire Brand, on T:47119 09:42 [hdf-us] [xnh] inlawBiker (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:15859 09:43 [hdf-us] [4k] Slurp (recuerdo) (Shi Val Mal Neu) defeated Medusa, on T:25516 09:45 docpi/Moult (does that ping you?): I don’t really care about the attrs, though I hear people like Con for HP, and Int(for wiz)/Cha because you can’t exercise it 09:45 the wiki has a nice per-role table 09:48 post163: that’s impressive, 8min? 09:49 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 09:51 wizard starting int seriously matters 09:51 for hungerless casting 09:53 Demo: oh. What about other roles? 09:56 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lor (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 2443 points, T:3594, killed by a spotted jelly 09:59 str affects dbon but I don't think people split hairs over that aspect of it. there are people that won't run a dwa valk that starts with anything but 20 con which affects hp growth 10:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 19720 points, T:12493, killed by an invisible jabberwock called Muffin 10:02 [hdf-eu] [un] post163 (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of cold 10:03 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) was chosen to steal souls for the Glory of Set, on T:61105 (19:29:10) 10:04 [hdf-eu] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 3 points, T:64, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 10:04 [hdf-eu] [evil] post163 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) murdered her faithful pseudodragon, on T:1 (0:00:02) 10:08 [hdf-us] [nh13d] Staengia (Wiz Mal), 222 points, T:252, imp 10:08 [hdf-us] [nh13d] Staengia (Wiz Mal), 50 points, T:17, imp 10:09 [hdf-us] [nh13d] Staengia (Wiz Mal), 50 points, T:33, leprechaun 10:09 [hdf-us] [nh13d] Staengia (Wiz Mal), 50 points, T:4, demon 10:10 [hdf-us] [nh13d] Staengia (Tou Mal), 50 points, T:143, gnome 10:13 [hdf-us] [nh13d] Staengia (Tou Mal), 87 points, T:311, imp 10:15 -!- wvc has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] MAlischka2 (Val Hum Fem Law), 196 points, T:916, killed by a water demon 10:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] MAlischka2 (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 118 points, T:639, killed by a jackal 10:26 -!- docpi has quit [Quit: into thin air!] 10:26 [hdf-us] [nh13d] Staengia (Sam Mal), 2124 points, T:2050, contaminated water 10:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 10:29 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:63071 (19:54:51) 10:31 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Wiz Elf Nbn Cha), 40 points, T:820, killed by a system shock 10:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 65 points, T:68, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 10:32 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Dra Hum Fem Neu), 0 points, T:92, slipped while mounting a saddled baby silver dragon 10:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 2 points, T:14, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 10:34 [hdf-eu] [evil] post163 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 40 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of lightning 10:37 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] post163 (Nob Elf Mal Cha), 0 points, T:2, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 10:37 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] post163 (Nob Dro Fem Cha), 0 points, T:33, slipped while mounting a saddled giant spider 10:38 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 10:38 [hdf-eu] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 118 points, T:183, killed by an acid blob 10:39 [hdf-us] [xnh] inlawBiker (Val Hum Fem Law) destroyed the invisible DragonSidedD's ghost, the former Student of Stones, on T:18799 10:48 [hdf-us] [xnh] Gouhan (Sam Hum Mal Law), 810 points, T:2355, killed by a centipede 10:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] dingotron (Bar Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:9635 10:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] dingotron (Bar Hum Fem Cha) polymorphed her first item, on T:9735 10:58 [hdf-us] [spl] oh6 (Sam Inf Nbn Law) was crowned Pirate King by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:32569 10:59 -!- fakepass has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:59 -!- fakepass has joined #hardfought 11:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tog (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:45129 11:01 [hdf-eu] [nh370] wispofvapor (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased spellbook of finger of death", got "a greased ragged spellbook", on T:70076 11:02 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Superfly (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 2610 points, T:4118, killed by a giant beetle 11:02 [hdf-us] [un] post163 (Wiz Vam Fem Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of lightning 11:03 [hdf-us] [dyn] Omega (OmegaDino) (Val Hum Fem Neu), 7329 points, T:7385, killed by a vrock 11:03 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Client closed] 11:05 [hdf-eu] [nh370] wispofvapor (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a xorn, on T:70441 11:06 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:09 [hdf-eu] [spl] post163 (Wiz Mer Fem Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of lightning 11:11 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Mon Elf Fem Cha), 3421 points, T:2471, killed by a gray unicorn 11:12 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in twelve variants" unlocked by OmegaDino! 11:12 Junethack: Achievement "Globetrotter: get a trophy in seven variants" unlocked by OmegaDino! 11:12 [hdf-us] [xnh] inlawBiker (Val Hum Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:19986 11:13 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Superfly (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 267 points, T:746, killed by a falling rock 11:14 -!- viryanah has joined #hardfought 11:17 [hdf-us] [ndnh] OmegaDino (Val Hum Fem Neu), 559 points, T:1460, killed by the Travelling Wizard 11:17 [hdf-us] [xnh] inlawBiker (Val Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +2 gauntlets of power", got "a pair of fencing gloves", on T:20010 11:21 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in thirteen variants" unlocked by OmegaDino! 11:21 good unique death 11:23 [hdf-us] [xnh] Gouhan (Sam Hum Mal Law), 2739 points, T:3007, killed by a dart 11:28 [hdf-us] [slshm] OmegaDino (Val Hum Fem Neu), 313 points, T:743, killed by a gas spore's explosion 11:36 [hdf-us] [slshm] OmegaDino (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1122 points, T:1105, killed by a dingo puppy 11:46 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:51076 (14:09:26) 11:46 -!- Sgeo has joined #hardfought 11:48 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Mon Elf Fem Neu), 1062 points, T:1159, killed by the Goblin King 11:50 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in fourteen variants" unlocked by OmegaDino! 11:52 [hdf-eu] [spl] post163 (Wiz Dwa Fem Neu) murdered her faithful kitten, on T:1 11:52 >:( 11:52 bad person ^ 11:52 -!- fakepass has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:53 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed Croesus, on T:51404 (14:16:24) 11:57 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed Pelias, on T:65953 (21:22:47) 11:59 [hdf-us] [xnh] Gouhan (Sam Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:4333 11:59 [hdf-us] [xnh] Gouhan (Sam Hum Mal Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping 11 arrows on an altar, on T:4354 12:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] stoicjin (Rog Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Sokoban amulet of reflection, on T:11307 12:12 [hdf-us] [dnh] Nicolau (Ana Hum Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1764 12:13 [hdf-us] [xnh] inlawBiker (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:22975 12:14 [hdf-eu] [nh370] laycre (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 652 points, T:1434, killed by a dwarf 12:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tog (Tou Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Explorer (level 26), on T:46620 12:19 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lor (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1430 points, T:3017, killed by a killer bee, while frozen by a floating eye's gaze 12:20 [hdf-us] [xnh] inlawBiker (Val Hum Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:23486 12:20 [hdf-us] [xnh] inlawBiker (Val Hum Fem Law) genocided class U, on T:23487 12:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:1, killed by kicking a wall 12:22 [hdf-eu] [spl] post163 (Wiz Dwa Fem Neu), 20 points, T:1, caught herself in her own death field 12:25 [hdf-us] [xnh] inlawBiker (Val Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Warrior (level 14), on T:23699 12:28 [hdf-eu] [spl] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 5 points, T:69, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 12:28 [hdf-au] [nh370] sausagecat (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 2452 points, T:2559, killed by a hobbit 12:28 [hdf-eu] [spl] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 9 points, T:76, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 12:28 [hdf-eu] [hackm] post163 (Yeo Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:15, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 12:28 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 21421 points, T:9473, killed by a dwarf queen 12:32 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) had Luck Blade bestowed upon her by Set, on T:66818 (21:57:56) 12:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Tou Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Superfly's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:3107 12:39 [hdf-us] [xnh] inlawBiker (Val Hum Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:24166 12:41 [hdf-au] [nh370] sausagecat (Rog Hum Mal Cha) murdered his faithful little dog, on T:1036 12:41 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed amulet of magic resistance", on T:873 (0:12:50) 12:44 [hdf-us] [gnoll] OmegaDino (Val Hum Fem Neu), 750 points, T:5215, killed by a vampire 12:46 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:1159 (0:17:17) 12:47 [hdf-us] [xnh] inlawBiker (Val Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Swashbuckler (level 18), on T:24639 12:47 -!- anselmus has joined #hardfought 12:48 Junethack: Achievement "Globetrotter: get a trophy in eight variants" unlocked by OmegaDino! 12:48 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in fifteen variants" unlocked by OmegaDino! 12:50 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1514 (0:21:59) 12:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Tou Hum Mal Neu) was bestowed with Magicbane by The Lady, on T:3887 12:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] stoicjin (Rog Hum Mal Cha) was bestowed with Stormbringer by Kos, on T:16500 12:57 [hdf-eu] [nh343] Vis (Sam Hum Mal Law), 3917 points, T:1405, killed by a tengu 12:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 12:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law) found Demonbane on the floor, on T:1 12:59 [hdf-eu] [un] post163 (Wiz Vam Fem Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of fire 13:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 4153 points, T:6484, killed by a soldier ant 13:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 423 points, T:1059, killed by a giant ant 13:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:8, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 13:08 [hdf-us] [xnh] arrow (Ran Hum Fem Neu), 1738 points, T:3012, killed by a gnome lord 13:09 [hdf-au] [nh370] sausagecat (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 1331 points, T:2948, killed by an imp, while sleeping 13:12 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest3078 13:12 -!- Guest3078 has quit [Killed (zirconium.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 13:12 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 13:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Pri Hum Mal Law), 537 points, T:1918, killed by an imp, while frozen by a floating eye's gaze 13:15 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:3120 (0:46:44) 13:16 [hdf-au] [nh370] sausagecat (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 24 points, T:19, killed by the wrath of Kos 13:19 [hdf-au] [nh370] sausagecat (Rog Orc Fem Cha) murdered her faithful kitten, on T:235 13:19 [hdf-us] [xnh] Gouhan (Sam Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a human zombie, on T:10412 13:20 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) made her first artifact wish - "blessed fireproof master key of thievery", on T:67284 (22:46:07) 13:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Tou Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a golden naga hatchling, on T:7033 13:23 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed +3 dragonhide boots of jumping", on T:67285 (22:49:23) 13:24 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed +3 dragonhide helm of speed", on T:67286 (22:49:46) 13:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] stoicjin (Rog Hum Mal Cha) made his first artifact wish - "blessed +2 Grayswandir", got "a silver saber named Grayswandir", on T:17429 13:26 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:44721 13:28 [hdf-us] [xnh] Gouhan (Sam Hum Mal Law) destroyed the invisible DragonSidedD's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:11367 13:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 7556 points, T:7488, killed by a white unicorn 13:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tog (Tou Hum Mal Neu) became The Lady's Envoy of Balance, on T:47776 13:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tog (Tou Hum Mal Neu) was bestowed with Vorpal Blade, on T:47776 13:34 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (And-Ana And Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:44903 13:35 [hdf-us] [hackm] post163 (Yeo Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 13:35 [hdf-eu] [spl] post163 (Wiz Dwa Fem Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of cold 13:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Arc Gno Mal Neu), 294 points, T:1785, killed by a wand 13:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2851 13:40 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:67761 (23:05:36) 13:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] Nunnullus (Rog Hum Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:3489 13:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:29, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 13:42 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Dra Elf Nbn Cha), 54 points, T:70, slipped while mounting a saddled baby shimmering dragon 13:42 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed the elder priest of Moloch, on T:45064 13:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 141 points, T:52, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 13:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] stoicjin (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 67175 points, T:19936, killed by an energy vortex 13:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 53 points, T:57, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 13:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] Nunnullus (Rog Hum Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4009 13:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] Nunnullus (Rog Hum Mal Cha) murdered his faithful dog, on T:4023 13:44 ajh: and how do you liked the new nymph level overall? if you disregard that it destroyed your game? 13:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] Nunnullus (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 1810 points, T:4071, killed by a magic missile zapped by himself 13:45 [hdf-eu] [dyn] adfl (post163) (Kni Hum Mal Law), 76 points, T:53, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 13:45 [hdf-us] [nh343] anselmus (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a square amulet on an altar, on T:3914 13:46 [hdf-eu] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 129 points, T:283, killed by a system shock 13:47 [hdf-eu] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 0 points, T:25, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 13:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 3774 points, T:4026, killed by a gray unicorn 13:57 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 13:59 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:68347 (23:24:47) 13:59 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:68355 (23:25:29) 14:00 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed Lolth, on T:68363 (23:26:13) 14:03 [hdf-us] [xnh] arrow (Ran Hum Fem Cha) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:3237 14:05 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) defeated the invisible Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:68489 (23:30:36) 14:05 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 9399 points, T:5071, killed by exhaustion 14:08 [hdf-us] [xnh] arrow (Ran Hum Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:3662 14:09 [hdf-eu] [nh370] noname98571 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 367 points, T:1587, killed by a grid bug, while fainted from lack of food 14:14 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Wiz Inf Nbn Cha), 0 points, T:1, zapped themself with a spell 14:17 [hdf-eu] [spl] post163 (Wiz Dwa Fem Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of cold 14:20 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Wiz Dwa Nbn Neu) performed their first annihilation (dwarves), on T:1 14:24 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (And-Ana And Mal Neu) wished for "2 +2 obsidian bullets", on T:45935 14:25 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 14:25 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed +3 dragonhide oilskin cloak", on T:69221 (23:51:19) 14:26 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (And-Ana And Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:45979 14:29 [hdf-eu] [nh370] noname98571 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 23 points, T:1359, killed by a jackal 14:33 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Sal-Rog Sal Mal Cha) destroyed the Lokoban Pinata, on T:2057 14:38 [hdf-us] [dnh] Nicolau (Ana Hum Mal Neu), 39919 points, T:4434, petrified by tasting cockatrice blood 14:38 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (And-Ana And Mal Neu) destroyed the invisible Famine, on T:46215 14:42 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (And-Ana And Mal Neu) destroyed Death, on T:46284 14:45 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (And-Ana And Mal Neu) destroyed Pestilence, on T:46334 14:48 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed the invisible Lugribossk of Ilsensine, on T:46377 14:50 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Wiz Dwa Nbn Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a scroll of annihilation 14:50 [hdf-eu] [un] post163 (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of cold 14:52 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Superfly (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 879 points, T:1202, killed by falling down a mine shaft 14:54 Status of the large cat (neutral): Level 9 HP 72(72) AC 4, tame. 14:54 time to send in the enforcers 14:57 [hdf-au] [ndnh] Phyban (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 529 points, T:993, killed by a gas spore's explosion 14:58 [hdf-us] [nh343] anselmus (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:7368 15:04 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 15:04 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Superfly (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 403 points, T:848, killed by a crossbow bolt 15:04 [hdf-eu] [nh343] Vis (Sam Hum Mal Law), 2009 points, T:1289, killed by a soldier ant 15:05 I should try ndnh sometime soon 15:05 like, never tried it? 15:06 nope 15:06 * anselmus quit after an encounter with grues 15:06 or maybe that was dnh 15:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tog (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:48071 15:07 * anselmus has found many of the variants offer deceptively easy starts 15:07 the grue is a unique that is in 50% of games instead of medusa 15:08 @d?grue 15:09 @d?Grue 15:09 @d?Medusa 15:09 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) had an orcish spear entrusted to her by Set, on T:71417 (1 day, 0:35:04) 15:10 @?goblin 15:10 !tell K2 Pinobot's in the hospital again 15:10 No worries, Umbire, I've got this! 15:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] Nunnullus (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 393 points, T:1527, killed by an invisible gnome lord 15:11 Pinobot got eaten by a grue 15:12 <@post163> Pinobot's been down for at least 6 hours. 15:13 [hdf-us] [un] TreninB (Wiz Vam Fem Neu) became literate by reading a book, on T:6973 (1:20:21) 15:13 i'll restart it later tonight. cant atm 15:13 K2: Message from Umbire at 2023-06-22 15:10 EDT: Pinobot's in the hospital again 15:14 np 15:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Val Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3328 15:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tog (Tou Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Adventurer (level 30), on T:48443 15:17 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, acquiring a bag of holding, on T:14196 (2:22:38) 15:18 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) had a silver shield of mobility entrusted to her by Set, on T:71983 (1 day, 0:43:36) 15:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Val Hum Fem Law) was bestowed with Mjollnir by Tyr, on T:3506 15:21 [hdf-us] [hackm] post163 (Yeo Elf Mal Law), 0 points, T:1, killed by kicking a wall 15:21 [hdf-eu] [spl] post163 (Dra Elf Nbn Neu), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled baby silver dragon 15:22 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 55125 points, T:14711, killed by an elven arrow 15:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] Nunnullus (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 570 points, T:1357, killed by a land mine 15:25 [hdf-us] [4k] Slurp (recuerdo) (Shi Val Mal Neu) became pious, on T:30799 15:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Arc Hum Mal Law), 271 points, T:944, killed by a large kobold 15:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Val Hum Fem Law) was bestowed with Frost Brand by Tyr, on T:4223 15:32 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Ana And Mal Neu), 15240430 points, T:46432, ascended, having saved the future https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/K/KrO2/dnethack/dumplog/1686779454.dnh.txt 15:33 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Dro Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:72268 (17:37:38) 15:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 15:34 [hdf-us] [4k] Slurp (recuerdo) (Shi Val Mal Neu) defeated Lord Surtur, on T:31613 15:34 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 15:34 <@post163> !whereis post163 15:34 @post163: [hdf-eu] post163 [hackm]: (Wiz Hob Fem Neu) T:1 The Dungeons of Doom level: 1 15:35 [hdf-us] [gnoll] post163 (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a scroll of genocide 15:36 kickass dnh asc final weapon loadout 15:36 [hdf-us] [gnoll] post163 (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 0 points, T:175, killed by a bear trap 15:37 [hdf-us] [gnoll] post163 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 0 points, T:689, killed by a system shock 15:38 [hdf-us] [gnoll] post163 (Wiz Elf Mal Neu), 0 points, T:2, caught himself in his own ball of fire 15:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1393 points, T:2419, killed by a sewer rat 15:42 [hdf-us] [gnoll] post163 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 250000 points, T:1209, killed by an iguana 15:46 [hdf-us] [gnoll] post163 (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 150000 points, T:614, killed by a dwarf zombie 15:46 [hdf-eu] [nh370] xororand (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 2359 points, T:2098, killed by a fire ant 15:46 [hdf-us] [xnh] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 4 points, T:79, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 15:48 [hdf-eu] [nh343] Vis (Sam Hum Mal Law), 12 points, T:90, killed by a water demon 15:50 [hdf-us] [dnh] Jack (Hdr-Wiz Dro Mal Neu) killed the Tower Sorcere Gromph, on T:39556 15:50 what 15:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Arc Hum Mal Law) was bestowed with Grayswandir by Quetzalcoatl, on T:2907 15:51 man im drow ignorant 15:53 [hdf-eu] [hackm] post163 (Yeo Hum Mal Neu), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony called Fluttershy 15:53 [hdf-us] [dnh] Jack (Hdr-Wiz Dro Mal Neu) was given their Quest, on T:39612 15:56 [hdf-eu] [nh343] Vis (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed scrolls of charging", on T:1070 15:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 17 points, T:188, killed by a boiling potion 15:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Val Hum Fem Law) destroyed lor's ghost, the former Bandit, on T:5902 15:57 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Bar Inf Fem Cha), 1041 points, T:2445, killed by a giant mimic 15:58 [hdf-eu] [nh343] Vis (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:1070 16:05 [hdf-us] [4k] Slurp (recuerdo) (Shi Val Mal Neu) wished for "blessed silver dragon scales", on T:34453 16:05 [hdf-us] [4k] Slurp (recuerdo) (Shi Val Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:34457 16:10 [hdf-us] [xnh] inlawBiker (Val Hum Fem Law) found Excalibur on the floor, on T:25172 16:12 [hdf-au] [nh370] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Necromancer (level 22), on T:60152 16:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Arc Hum Mal Law), 4333 points, T:5539, killed by a gnome mummy, while praying 16:16 [hdf-eu] [nh343] Vis (Sam Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:3643 16:17 [hdf-us] [hackm] post163 (Yeo Hob Mal Neu), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 16:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 0 points, T:629, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 16:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law), 1173 points, T:2674, killed by an Elvenqueen 16:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tog (Tou Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "3 blessed scrolls of genocide", got "a scroll labeled VAS CORP BET MANI", on T:50614 16:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tog (Tou Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:50615 16:20 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 16:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] Zinspire (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 500 points, T:1805, killed by a dwarf, while sleeping off a magical draught 16:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tog (Tou Hum Mal Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 482 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:50791 16:22 [hdf-eu] [nh343] Vis (Sam Hum Mal Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a +0 pair of levitation boots on an altar, on T:4311 16:24 [hdf-eu] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony called Pinkie Pie 16:25 [hdf-eu] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:2, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 16:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tog (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:51057 16:26 [hdf-eu] [nh343] Vis (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed greased bag of holding", on T:4513 16:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law), 427 points, T:1684, killed by an iguana, while frozen by a floating eye's gaze 16:27 Junethack: rschaff ascended a game of NetHack 3.6.7 on nethack.alt.org! 16:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tog (Tou Hum Mal Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 57 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:51306 16:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] Zinspire (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 646 points, T:1641, killed by a little dog, while fainted from lack of food 16:33 [hdf-us] [spl] oh6 (Sam Inf Nbn Law) was sent a couatl by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:35363 16:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law) averted death (killed by a gas spore's explosion), on T:1712 16:35 [hdf-us] [spl] oh6 (Sam Inf Nbn Law) was sent a couatl by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:35410 16:36 thoughts on playing NetHack (variants) again after several years off: my asc rate has massively dropped but it's primarily due to early-game deaths, once I get a game properly started I don't have much trouble finishing it 16:37 The early game has always been the hard part. 16:37 I may be taking too many risks in the early game in order to make the late-game better (e.g. picking up scrolls and potions rather than investing my carry capacity into slightly better armour) 16:37 I agree that the early game is and has always been the hard part (with the possible exception of Monks) 16:37 Monks have their hard part a bit further into the game, true. 16:37 [hdf-us] [spl] oh6 (Sam Inf Nbn Law) attained the rank of Kokushu, on T:35562 16:37 You feel healthy. 16:38 I think the hard part does vary quite a bit by role, but it's normally very early 16:39 [hdf-us] [xnh] SkydiveMike (Arc Hum Mal Law) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1688 16:39 e.g. one of the hardest part for valks is getting a good weapon, whereas rogues struggle with the Mines because they often need more daggers than they can carry 16:39 competing every 6 months is a good way to keep sharp 16:39 (because enemies keep picking them up, so the number of daggers you have access to drops, and you get into a sort of vicious cycle of chasing down monsters that have stolen your daggers and getting surrounded by more) 16:40 also, one of my losses I think may have been due to forgetting a Sokoban solutino 16:41 i think the consensus is that +0 daggerstorm is ineffective 16:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tog (Tou Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:51880 16:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tog (Tou Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:51882 16:41 regardless of skill level 16:41 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Superfly (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 542 points, T:2080, killed by an invisible dwarf 16:41 ah, that seems possible 16:41 in which case the chokepoint for rogues is finding enchant weapon scrolls? 16:41 <@post163> I've never made it to the Castle let alone ascend in 4+ years of playing - frequently I find myself too deep at too low an experience level. 16:42 <@shadow_rider> daggers are awesome :( 16:42 (they're easy to identify, unless there are no shops that buy them, but often not enough of them generate) 16:42 [hdf-eu] [nh343] Vis (Sam Hum Mal Law) had Excalibur thrown at him by some watery tart, on T:5970 16:42 except in 343 where you could backstab from dust E 16:42 well I was playing AceHack, where backstabbing from dust E is even easier 16:43 <@shadow_rider> i remember clearing all the way to valley only throwing +0 daggers with a wizard 16:43 <@shadow_rider> they aren’t all that bad 16:43 were you using spells for combat? or only for utility? or not at all? 16:44 I remember a consensus that in 3.4.3, optimal play for an early-game wizard is to find the best armour you can, even if it's metal, and not bother with the spellcasting – it doesn't do enough in the early game 16:44 That's my goto strat for wizards too 16:44 <@shadow_rider> i don’t fully remember but i was doing a load of conducts at the time so i was wearing armor like you say 16:44 <@shadow_rider> nothing beyond forcebolt past the mines 16:45 actually, something that I've been thinking about a lot in my various tournament games is that the early game doesn't give enough incentive to do things like spellcasting and identifying items 16:45 [hdf-us] [spl] oh6 (Sam Inf Nbn Law), 274120 points, T:35929, poisoned by a locust 16:45 [hdf-us] [nh343] Leggman (Bar Hum Mal Neu) killed Yeenoghu, on T:57137 16:45 yes, armor can always be taken off as needed so it's not an either/or case 16:45 <@post163> !lastgame 16:45 @post163: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/o/oh6/splicehack/dumplog/1687099660.splice.html :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/S/Superfly/nethack/dumplog/1687463961.nh.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/P/Phyban/notdnethack/dumplog/1687457035.ndnh.txt 16:45 because item generation probabilities aren't biased by depth, and item generation probabilities within a single class aren't biased by anything other than monster starting inventory, often the early game has no relevant magical items 16:46 The one I ascended earler this month rolled high strength and no hungerless casting. So I just played him as a tourist until I could work on him a bit. 16:46 <@shadow_rider> i don’t think any nethack variant has had a spellcasting system that i’ve liked 16:46 like, you can't rely on having a !oH, for example – those primarily generate late-game in monster starting inventories, rather than early-game 16:46 [hdf-eu] [nh343] Vis (Sam Hum Mal Law), 24081 points, T:6544, petrified by a cockatrice corpse 16:46 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 16:46 Wiz and Tou actually have a lot in common, as roles go 16:47 Yeah 16:47 [hdf-us] [nh343] hothraxxa (Arc Hum Mal Law) entered Gehennom for the first time, on T:35878 16:47 <@post163> My wizards tend to splat early (if they survive the first turn) - only having enough Pw for a single casting of force bolt sucks against floating eyes since I frequently neglect to pick up some throwables to save on weight. 16:47 well, on the one hand, that was a dumb way to die 16:47 it's all about getting wishes asap 16:48 on the other hand, I won't have to ask for any more game restores 16:48 my standard strategy for floating eyes is to disarm a dart trap or two 16:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tog (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:52227 16:48 even unskilled, you can kill a floating eye with darts 16:48 Rangers rock early game, but I have a tough time getting them to mid-game 16:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 16:49 post163 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a kitten? 16:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 57 points, T:96, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 16:49 [hdf-au] [nh370] sausagecat (Rog Orc Fem Cha) stole 4004 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Gorlowka's liquor emporium, on T:1418 16:49 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:8, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 16:50 I have never ascended a ranger, but I have splatted one in Gehennom 16:50 [hdf-au] [nh370] sausagecat (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 372 points, T:1418, killed by a wand 16:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law), 767 points, T:2381, killed by a gnome 16:51 I finally ascended a ranger this year in 343 because I realized i hadnt yet 16:51 it was really easy 16:51 idk how 16:51 and also taking what the game gives you, i just did a wiz last game who reached castle pretty much armorless because he found sleep spell 16:51 I think I maybe got an early wish or something and got lucky with castle wow having 3 charges 16:51 <@shadow_rider> ranger has pretty smooth difficulty curve in my experience 16:51 <@shadow_rider> arrows last through soko/mines 16:51 its just weird that it gave me so little resistance when I haven't played vanilla in a while 16:51 <@shadow_rider> then can crown at that point 16:52 I named items and sacd and forced stormy I think 16:52 wait, how does crowning help with arrows? or is the idea to use the weapon you get from crowning instead of arrows? 16:52 yeah 16:52 <@shadow_rider> yeah stormbringer 16:52 <@shadow_rider> neutral out of luck i guess 16:53 Yea, I was using rangers to get the soko trophy on grunt and the slash* variants, and they ran out of arrows just about exactly when I finished the zoo. 16:53 -!- elenmirie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:53 <@shadow_rider> but at least you can max luck and arrows will last anyways 16:53 I think my strategy as ranger was to daggerstorm on fights where it worked, in order to make the arrows last longer 16:54 Yea, that's how I tend to do it too. 16:54 <@post163> I'm not good enough to get the soko trophy - then again I try to let my pet kill everything (well depending on role I'll kill an appropriate monster for alignment record if I want to pray). 16:55 credit cloning was also really easy in 343 so a ran could prot run and sell the arrows for like 500 16:55 [hdf-eu] [hackm] post163 (Yeo Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 16:56 [hdf-eu] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (elves), on T:1 16:56 I think the protection racket is generally a trap, except for pacifists 16:56 the odds of dying trying to do it are so high that the benefit is mostly irrelevant 16:56 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in five variants" unlocked by oh6! 16:57 ais523: I'm playing your thing right now, and would like to lodge a complaint about choking my cat with a tripe ration. Clearly appropriate behavior is to have the cat hork all over the dungeon floor and make me clean it up :-) 16:57 <@shadow_rider> protection racket has the same energy of taking more risks early game to have a better chance of getting a strong late game run 16:57 Bleeko: is this AceHack? 16:57 Yup 16:57 that got fixed in NH4, I think 16:57 there was some unadvertised evil hidden in a patch I pulled, without me realising it 16:57 Yeah being able to accidentally choke your pet to death with food and getting an angry god for it is a real "fuck you" 16:57 <@post163> I've never tried running a protection racket - then again I do not know what to do afterward anyway. 16:57 it got fixed eventually once I realised it was there 16:58 as I didn't add it intentionally 16:58 I figured you didn't I just hate it that much 16:58 Yea, and I'm chaotic too :-) 16:58 in 3.6 you can drain yourself to XL1 and buy cheap protection later 16:58 So prayer is off the table for a while :-) 16:58 in 3.4.3 you can do the same but can't restore levels easily 16:59 I've been wondering whether there's any point in going back to AceHack and fixing some of the larger problems 16:59 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:1159 (0:44:17) 16:59 it was supposed to be superseded by NH4 (and has been mostly) so it didn't seem worth fixing bugs there too 16:59 it's nice to have it around as a sort of historical record, though 16:59 Well, I think it served its purpose as a way to get momentum going again 17:00 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1121 points, T:1184, killed by a giant bat 17:00 which makes it an interesting decision about whether issues like that, and obvious bugs like the incorrect wall in the rainbow rooms with roomcolors turned on, are worth it 17:00 Which led to nh4, and then the devteam popping up again saying "were not dead yet!" 17:00 [hdf-au] [nh370] sausagecat (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 72 points, T:306, killed by a water moccasin 17:01 well, NH4 caused the leak, and the leak is what woke up the devteam 17:01 where can I find the leak? 17:01 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 17:01 Noisytoot: try kicking a sink 17:02 there's a actually a leak of the latest unreleased nethack available right now 17:02 https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack (this is the unreleased 3.7 version the devteam is working on, don't tell anyone) 17:02 the leaked code is probably in the history of that repo somewhere, I can't remember exactly which revision got leaked 17:03 I think without the context of how the dt used to operate it is hard to understand how there could be a leak 17:03 especially given how they operate now 17:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1387 points, T:1250, killed by a killer bee, while praying 17:06 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 21 points, T:87, killed by a water elemental 17:07 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Raisse (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 945 points, T:1617, killed by a rothe 17:08 well, it used to be a private repo that all devs had unrestricted access to; nowadays we primarily use a public repo (although changes are private for a few hours after being pushed) 17:09 how are they private after being pushed? 17:09 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:50358 (1 day, 11:16:26) 17:10 git's decentralized, so commits can move between repos in pretty much any pattern 17:10 we push to a time-delayed server that isn't public, then it pushes to the public repos a few hours later 17:11 why? 17:12 I think it's primarily in case we accidentally push something that shouldn't be public, e.g. the email address of someone who emailed us 17:12 to give time to fix the problem 17:12 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:13 [hdf-us] [xnh] SkydiveMike (Arc Hum Mal Law), 448 points, T:2739, killed by a small mimic 17:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 3011 points, T:2665, killed by a bolt of lightning zapped by herself 17:16 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Dra Elf Mal Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by kicking a wall 17:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:8, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 17:16 <@post163> !rng Kni Dra Yeo Nob 17:16 @post163: Yeo 17:16 -!- docpi has joined #hardfought 17:16 [hdf-us] [slshm] post163 (Yeo Hob Mal Law), 26 points, T:42, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 17:17 [hdf-us] [dnh] Lukethecool1001 (Bar Hlf Mal Cha), 41564 points, T:8062, killed by a metroid 17:17 [hdf-au] [nh370] sausagecat (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 430 points, T:1364, killed by a pony 17:18 [hdf-au] [nh370] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (class m), on T:61194 17:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 296 points, T:413, killed by an acidic corpse 17:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 61 points, T:156, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 17:20 [hdf-us] [nh343] post163 (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a scroll of genocide 17:20 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Wiz Dro Fem Neu) performed her first annihilation (drows), on T:1 17:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tog (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:54134 17:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tog (Tou Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:54142 17:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tog (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Yeenoghu, on T:54228 17:26 [hdf-eu] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a scroll of genocide 17:27 [hdf-eu] [hackm] post163 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) murdered her faithful pseudodragon, on T:1 (0:00:03) 17:27 -!- mariari has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tog (Tou Hum Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:54341 17:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Val Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:7213 17:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:4343 17:34 [hdf-us] [dyn] cpittman (Val Hum Fem Law), 13704 points, T:6702, killed by a bolt of lightning 17:36 [hdf-au] [nh370] sausagecat (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 392 points, T:1187, killed by a boulder 17:37 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Wiz Dro Fem Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a scroll of annihilation 17:37 [hdf-us] [dyn] dsfl (post163) (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 17:37 [hdf-us] [un] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:10, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 17:39 -!- mariari has joined #hardfought 17:46 [hdf-us] [hackm] Lukethecool1001 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 628 points, T:707, killed by a flint stone 17:51 [hdf-au] [nh370] sausagecat (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 153 points, T:782, killed by a hobbit 17:53 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Noisytoot (Bin Inc Fem Non) killed Cerberus, on T:17898 17:55 [hdf-us] [hackm] Lukethecool1001 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1654 points, T:1874, killed by a giant bat 17:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Arc Hum Mal Law), 2332 points, T:5102, killed by a fire ant 17:56 [hdf-us] [xnh] inlawBiker (Val Hum Fem Law) found Sol Valtiva carried by a monster, on T:25650 17:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tog (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:54558 17:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tog (Tou Hum Mal Neu) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:54562 17:57 [hdf-eu] [hackm] post163 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 40 points, T:1, caught herself in her own ball of lightning 17:59 [hdf-us] [hackm] Lukethecool1001 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 274 points, T:541, poisoned by a rotted jackal corpse 17:59 [hdf-us] [xnh] inlawBiker (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:25749 17:59 [hdf-us] [xnh] inlawBiker (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:25751 18:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law), 5891 points, T:8248, killed by a gargoyle 18:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1624 points, T:1723, killed by an arrow 18:02 [hdf-us] [hackm] Lukethecool1001 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 15 points, T:113, killed by a vorpal jabberwock 18:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tog (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (2nd time), on T:55083 18:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law), 103 points, T:514, killed by a small mimic 18:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tog (Tou Hum Mal Neu) averted death (dissolved in molten lava), on T:55191 18:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 18:08 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Cha), 57 points, T:50, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 18:09 [hdf-au] [nh370] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:61689 18:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Arc Hum Mal Law), 3660 points, T:2783, killed by an orc-captain 18:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law), 599 points, T:1694, killed by a rothe 18:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tog (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (3rd time), on T:55966 18:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Arc Hum Mal Law) was bestowed with Sunsword by Quetzalcoatl, on T:1837 18:19 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the Dark One, on T:57064 (15:41:53) 18:20 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:57069 (15:42:53) 18:21 -!- docpi has quit [Quit: and.. gone!] 18:22 -!- ajh has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Val Hum Fem Law) entered the Bigroom, on T:11742 18:24 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) refused to give up The Eye of the Aethiopica to Neferet the Green, on T:57371 (15:47:04) 18:28 -!- viryanah has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Val Hum Fem Law) just blew up her bag of holding, on T:12098 18:31 [hdf-eu] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 0 points, T:1, killed by kicking a wall 18:32 [hdf-eu] [spl] post163 (Wiz Dwa Nbn Neu), 93 points, T:398, killed by a bear trap 18:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] dingotron (Bar Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Sokoban amulet of reflection, on T:12969 18:32 [hdf-eu] [hackm] post163 (Yeo Hum Mal Law), 50 points, T:68, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 18:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the Sokoban bag of holding, on T:12242 18:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 18:33 [hdf-us] [un] post163 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 0 points, T:1, shot herself with a death ray 18:34 [hdf-us] [un] post163 (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of cold 18:34 [hdf-us] [un] post163 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 20 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of lightning 18:34 -!- viryanah has joined #hardfought 18:34 [hdf-us] [un] post163 (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a scroll of genocide 18:34 [hdf-us] [un] post163 (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) genocided gnomes on a level in The Dungeons of Doom, on T:1 (0:00:03) 18:35 [hdf-us] [un] post163 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 48 points, T:35, killed by a kobold 18:35 [hdf-us] [gnoll] post163 (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 0 points, T:121, killed by a hermit 18:36 @post163 a kobold got you, but at least you got rid of those pesky gnomes!! 18:36 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:37 [hdf-us] [gnoll] post163 (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 0 points, T:296, killed by a falling rock 18:37 <@post163> @Bleeko I only got rid of the gnomes on my current level - and that was not even in the same game. 18:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Arc Hum Mal Law) made his first wish - "blessed greased +3 silver dragon scale mail", got "a greased silver dragon scale mail", on T:7939 18:38 On a level? How did you do that? 18:38 [hdf-us] [gnoll] post163 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 50000 points, T:176, killed by a lizard 18:39 <@post163> In certain variants (such as Unnethack and Hack'EM) uncursed genocide only wipes out on the current level. 18:40 I see. I had Lichs resist two different blessed genos in SlashTHEM yesterday. Surprising! 18:40 [hdf-au] [nh370] sausagecat (Rog Orc Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2260 18:41 -!- viryanah has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 54 points, T:72, killed by a jackal 18:42 [hdf-us] [gnoll] post163 (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a scroll of genocide 18:43 [hdf-us] [gnoll] post163 (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a fire bolt from his own spell of fire bolt 18:43 [hdf-us] [gnoll] post163 (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 0 points, T:76, killed by a gnome zombie 18:44 [hdf-us] [dyn] cpittman (Val Dwa Fem Law), 5711 points, T:3983, killed by a water demon, while praying 18:44 [hdf-us] [nh13d] Staengia (Wiz Mal), 270 points, T:188, imp 18:45 [hdf-us] [gnoll] post163 (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 150000 points, T:255, killed by a Kop Sergeant 18:47 [hdf-au] [nh370] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:62211 18:48 we're getting destroyed by teamsplat but the standings would indicate otherwise 18:48 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Mon Cen Fem Cha) destroyed nabru's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:1222 (0:09:37) 18:49 I haven't been paying attention much to the Junethack clan metagame 18:49 this year, at least 18:49 -!- krm26 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:49 mostly teamsplat just play for fun and giggles 18:50 anselmus: Yes, but none of us have written a variant, and none of us are shadow_rider, who is just ascending with his left hand this year, so we are doing just fine. 18:50 Have a nice stack of 6 +7 silver daggers, made short work of Baalz with them 18:50 36 medusa kills but only 17 ascs is what probably did us in 18:51 which clan are you representing? 18:51 and yes i know they're not even trying 18:51 surlydinos 18:52 dinos. last year I was in OOTC with shadow, and watched him ascend everything and win the clan competition single-handedly 18:53 And it aint over until its over :-) 18:53 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 2165 points, T:3007, killed by a rothe 18:53 Then it is over :-) 18:53 then he murdered luxidream his romantic rival and the clan dissolved into civil war 18:53 you're only one Medusa kill behind them 18:54 <@post163> We're getting killed in ascended combos [trailing by 11] and trophies [trailing by 197] - and I'm not good enough to ascend. 18:54 …and tied on break-all-conducts, which can probably be done in the same game as killing Medusa 18:54 Yup, and we are tied on conduct games, and post163 is crushing in unique deaths! 18:54 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law) murdered Vita Fidelia, her faithful warhorse, on T:51984 (1 day, 12:49:11) 18:55 I'm not sure how I feel about challenges like break-all-conducts, which are grindable by playing abnormally 18:55 no underdog ictories allowed 18:55 Long way between the two of us and #3 though ... 18:55 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 76 points, T:377, poisoned by a rotted newt corpse, while praying 18:55 logpoints seems to have been removed? that was probably for the best 18:55 winning is hard when you don't have the skills to win 18:56 what are logpoints? 18:56 …especially because it didn't special-case AceHack and NH4, where the points are *already* logarithmic 18:56 basically, it's the total number of digits in the score of all games played by all clan members 18:56 so meaningless rewally 18:56 so an ascension is around as valuable as, say, 3-4 splats in early dungeon 18:56 really really 18:57 it was too grindable by quitting games early 18:58 in NH4/Ace, a typical ascension has around 10 times the score of a typical early-game death 18:58 [hdf-us] [xnh] oh6 (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 2206 points, T:4923, killed by a watchman 18:58 [hdf-us] [gnoll] post163 (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 800000 points, T:670, killed by a tengu 18:58 …what's up with gnollhack's scoring? 18:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Arc Hum Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:13003 18:58 that number is both too big and too round to match either vanilla-style or NH4-style 18:59 <@post163> Gnollhack scoring is found here: https://github.com/hyvanmielenpelit/GnollHack/wiki/Scoring 18:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tog (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered the Elemental Planes, on T:56438 18:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tog (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered Plane of Earth, on T:56438 18:59 fwiw I'd like, one day, to see someone really try to optimize the high score in a variant using the NH4 system; I tried to design it to be interesting and not just grinding/exploits the way a vanilla high score is, although I'm not sure I succeeded 19:00 how does nh4 scoring work? 19:00 [hdf-us] [dyn] adsfl (post163) (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 19:01 there are a number of categories, which are each scored independently and added together: each category has serious diminishing returns, with the first few points being very easy and later points being much harder 19:01 also, there is a small penalty for turncount, meaning that grinding the last few points of a category generally isn't worth it 19:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tog (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered Plane of Air, on T:56534 19:02 Talking about playing abnormally, I really liked shooting for max achievements in TNNT. Forced me to play in situations that I would never let myself get into, like getting grabbed by an eel, and learned quite a bit along the way. 19:02 for example, one of the categories is gold: $0 is with 0 points, $1 is worth 1024 points, $1000 is worth 10206 points, $100000 is worth 17008 points 19:03 [hdf-eu] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 19:04 full list of categories: gold, artifacts, other valuables, experience level, dungeon level reached (as a proportion of max depth), number of item classes formally identified, number of monster types killed, turncount 19:04 I should've #chatted to the high priest before ascending (to get $2) 19:04 and then it gets doubled if you ascend, with most other methods of ending a game reducing it by a small proportion 19:04 :-D 19:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Arc Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:14675 19:05 [hdf-us] [gnoll] post163 (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 450000 points, T:579, killed by a system shock 19:05 I halfheartedly attempted to maximise score on my NH4 run, but ended up well down the leaderboard because I just don't play in a way that scores well 19:05 if I play NH4 again I'll try to aim towards minimising instead 19:05 (but I wanted to get Hoarder, which precludes that) 19:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Arc Hum Mal Law), 17876 points, T:14745, killed by an Elvenqueen 19:05 Junethack: Achievement "Globetrotter: get a trophy in five variants" unlocked by oh6! 19:05 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in six variants" unlocked by oh6! 19:07 [hdf-us] [gnoll] post163 (Arc Hum Fem Law), 100000 points, T:249, killed by a leaden sling-bullet 19:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] mobx (Arc Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (2nd time), on T:43778 19:07 [hdf-us] [gnoll] post163 (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 0 points, T:44, killed by chopping off his own foot 19:08 !lastgame 19:08 Noisytoot: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/p/post163/gnollhack/dumplog/1687475253.gnoll.txt :: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/p/post163/nethack/dumplog/1687473181.nh.html :: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/s/sausagecat/nethack/dumplog/1687470277.nh.html 19:09 hmm… was reading the ascension kit article on the wiki, and now I'm wondering whether in 3.6/3.7, ascending reflectionless might even be optimal? 19:10 in 3.6 your wands/potions/scrolls in open inventory will be vulnerable to damage (in 3.7 it can be avoided with extrinsic resistances) 19:10 it's hard to fit reflection into an asc kit, and the only attacks you really need reflection to help against in the late game are a) lightning attacks and b) black dragon breath's effect on your equipment 19:10 ooh, I hadn't realised that change had made it into 3.7 (it gets easy to lose track sometimes) 19:10 doesn't intrinsic disintegration resistance protect your equipment from black dragon breath? 19:11 even in 3.4, you don't have potions and scrolls in open inventory most of the time, due to fire traps 19:11 [hdf-us] [gnoll] post163 (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 850000 points, T:480, killed by a gremlin 19:11 there are no fire traps on astral, and I would usually have some potions of full healing and wands of death/teleportation in open inventory there 19:12 looks like intrinsic disint resistance does work 19:12 so, unless some new reflectable attack's been added that I don't remember 19:12 in 3.7, all you really need is intrinsic disint res + extrinsic shock res 19:12 + bagging scrolls and potinos 19:13 all this time I've been leaving potions of full healing in a bag and taking them out, rather than having them in open inventory, on Astral 19:13 * taking them out when I need them 19:13 blue dragon scale mail provides speed and shock resistance 19:13 "Crash! It falls asleep." guess that's why they call it "crashing" 19:14 <@shadow_rider> priests can cast fire pillar and burn your stuff still 19:14 i don't mind requiring certain things to ascend, as long as there are reasonable ways to obtain them 19:14 <@shadow_rider> i sometimes keep a couple potions in open inventory and it seems like a toss up if they survive or not 19:15 but the impression i got from most variants was "collect everything in the dungeon until you find X" 19:15 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Mon Cen Fem Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:1677 (0:36:21) 19:15 [hdf-us] [gnoll] post163 (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 500000 points, T:647, killed by a giant beetle 19:16 I think the optimal combination might be something like gray DSM + ring of shock resistance + cloak of protection + "oLS? 19:16 [hdf-us] [gnoll] post163 (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 150000 points, T:204, killed by a goblin 19:17 although that means you can't wear rings of free action and levitation at the same time 19:17 <@shadow_rider> the only main things dealing shock damage is energy vortex and blue dragon 19:18 <@shadow_rider> so it would be reasonable to geno both if you want to go for that build 19:18 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Superfly (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) found Demonbane in a shop, on T:3362 19:18 /oLightning is the big one 19:18 <@shadow_rider> er good point 19:18 almost any intelligent monster can use it, and they have it semi-commonly 19:18 [hdf-au] [nh370] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:62319 19:18 I have used geno-D in the past when going for this build (to avoid the need for disint resistance) 19:19 also, IIRC energy vortices' shock damage doesn't affect items, which would mean intrinsic shock res would be enough? 19:19 <@shadow_rider> heh eh well reflection and mr are optional steps 19:19 <@shadow_rider> energy vortex does affect items 19:19 wand damage should be scaled to char's xl because that's how wands work irl 19:19 <@shadow_rider> but it’s easier to avoid them because they only get shock damage after they engulf and spit you out 19:19 -!- mekkis_ is now known as mekkis 19:20 [hdf-us] [gnoll] post163 (Arc Hum Mal Law), 150000 points, T:590, killed by a straw golem 19:20 wands arent real. magic isnt real 19:20 anselmus: I wrote a blog post about this about 10 years ago, about scaling wand damage to a "wand use" skill that most monsters wouldn't have much of 19:21 it ended up getting implemented in some of the NH4-derived variants (although not NH4 itself) 19:21 <@shadow_rider> wands balance patch >:( 19:21 quite a few people dislike it 19:21 <@shadow_rider> lol 19:22 just say that there's magic in dungeon that gets stronger as you go deeper or something 19:22 i'm sure you can come up with something 19:22 when I ascended AceHack yesterday, I used a new strategy, of freely using attack wands against anything I didn't want to attack in melee 19:22 floating eyes, nymphs, etc. 19:22 it seemed to work pretty well 19:23 (this is assuming that you're playing a game that doesn't want to use burned E, e.g. for conduct reasons) 19:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) destroyed nabru's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:2026 19:25 some of the harder variants features classes that basically can't melee at all 19:25 those probably can't rely on wands either, they'd run out of charges too quickly 19:26 [hdf-us] [un] flandre (Val Hum Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1699 (0:04:50) 19:28 expanding on what i just said, maybe have wands only work at a certain level and lower, that way there's no surprises 19:28 …you could plausibly have them only *generate* at a certain level or lower 19:28 just like traps do 19:28 but 60 damage from a cold/lightning to the face is most unwelcome 19:30 [hdf-au] [nh370] Serel (Sam Hum Mal Law), 296 points, T:515, killed by a large mimic 19:30 <@post163> How much help is the "saving grace" in 3.7 against attack wands? Personally I mostly despise it (though it lets me make my horse gallop without getting killed by a riding accident from full health when bucked off). 19:31 <@shadow_rider> saving grace? 19:31 it prevents you being oneshot from above 90% HP, once in the game 19:32 no message or anything, just the damage of the attack is reduced to leave you at 1 HP 19:32 <@shadow_rider> interesting 19:33 <@shadow_rider> it’s certainly better than nothing 19:33 I worry that this may lead to players coming to incorrect conclusions about how much damage various attacks do 19:33 <@shadow_rider> might be good to have a message yeah 19:33 it's time for the devteam to consider wand control 19:33 …I think I may worry about unspoiled players more than most devteam members 19:33 <@shadow_rider> maybe something about deity having pity on you 19:34 just watching a few unspoiled players trying to play is enough to realize that some things urgently needed to be spoiled to avoid the game getting into a vicious cycle of misleading spoilers 19:34 assault wands should be available for purchase only from a licensed wand store 19:34 the really big one is "corpses that are too old cause food poisoning"; most new players incorrectly conclude "corpses sometimes randomly cause food poisoning", which is a very hard theory to disprove 19:35 [hdf-us] [un] flandre (Val Hum Fem Law) entered Minetown, on T:2926 (0:13:04) 19:35 [hdf-us] [un] flandre (Val Hum Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:3005 (0:13:24) 19:35 or, well, did, until I changed the message in IIRC 3.6.2 to really hammer people over the head with what's causing it 19:36 pline("(It must have died too long ago to be safe to eat.)"); 19:36 [hdf-eu] [spl] post163 (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 0 points, T:1, zapped himself with a spell 19:36 [hdf-us] [un] flandre (Val Hum Fem Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a gnome corpse on an altar, on T:3108 (0:14:20) 19:36 a bit of a blunt instrument but that really was necessary 19:36 [hdf-au] [nh370] sausagecat (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 3012 points, T:4778, killed by a blue jelly 19:36 yeah 19:37 NH4/Ace have a confirmation prompt, but many Devteam members and some players are opposed to confirmations on dangerous actions, thinking players should pay more attention 19:37 I am very in favour of them because I play on incredibly laggy connections, so I prefer variants where a typo can't easily kill my character 19:37 [hdf-au] [nh370] Serel (Sam Hum Mal Law), 305 points, T:1003, killed by a gnome king 19:38 since the char would know how old the corpse was, there should be a warning 19:38 that's how Ace/NH4 do it: "This corpse is too old for you to be certain it is safe. Eat it anyway?" 19:38 I think that's the message, I typed it from memory 19:39 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Mon Cen Fem Cha), 9032 points, T:3859, killed by an energy vortex 19:39 D: 19:39 yeah think i saw it in fiq 19:39 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Dhl-Hea Dro Fem Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:3804 19:42 [hdf-us] [un] flandre (Val Hum Fem Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:4227 (0:20:25) 19:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law), 2063 points, T:3007, killed by a raven 19:42 [hdf-us] [4k] Slurp (recuerdo) (Shi Val Mal Neu), 25530 points, T:34838, wiped out by a blessed scroll of genocide 19:43 i don't have a problem with "actions have consequences" but i do have a problem with "actions have random consequences" 19:43 like using a cursed wand 19:47 [hdf-us] [un] flandre (Val Hum Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at them by some watery tart, on T:5122 (0:25:24) 19:49 anyone still trying for something interesting in the tourney? 19:49 [hdf-eu] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 242 points, T:785, killed by a coyote 19:49 [hdf-eu] [nh370] post163 (Hea Gno Mal Neu) murdered his faithful little dog, on T:1 19:50 [hdf-eu] [nh370] post163 (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 95 points, T:55, killed by a kobold 19:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law), 725 points, T:1458, killed by a dwarf king 19:50 don't think i've even seen any streaks 19:51 longest streak should be a clan category imo 19:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by an unsuccessful polymorph 19:51 [hdf-eu] [spl] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 55 points, T:96, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 19:51 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Dra Hum Mal Cha), 2 points, T:111, slipped while mounting a saddled baby orange dragon 19:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Arc Hum Mal Law), 4 points, T:149, killed by an orcish dagger 19:52 [hdf-us] [hackm] post163 (Yeo Elf Mal Law), 55 points, T:61, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 19:52 [hdf-us] [hackm] post163 (Yeo Hum Mal Neu) murdered his faithful pony, on T:13 (0:00:06) 19:52 [hdf-us] [hackm] post163 (Yeo Hum Mal Neu), 150 points, T:134, killed by a sewer rat 19:52 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Wiz Orc Nbn Cha) performed their first annihilation (orcs), on T:1 19:53 <@shadow_rider> anselmus what does something interesting mean lol 19:54 well we had cathartes going for most conducts which i think he's winning 19:54 I went for most conducts in one game for NH4 specifically, but it was only four conducts 19:55 five if you count Elberethless 19:55 and i think arseniy was toying with a speedrun 19:55 (polyselfless, polyitemless, artiwishless, genoless) 19:56 he had like 10 19:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Arc Hum Mal Law), 354 points, T:1587, killed by a bat 19:57 <@shadow_rider> i mean i guess i was going for conducts but just for fun not for tournament 19:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] hilliance (Hea Gno Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed greased fixed amulet of reflection", got "a greased octagonal amulet", on T:23663 19:57 <@shadow_rider> might take me longer than the end of the month to get it going 19:57 I also tried for puddingsplitless but broke it by mistake 19:58 (because NH4 is based on 3.4.3 which is prior to the pudding farming nerf, and some players enjoy pudding farming so I conductified it rather than making it impossible) 19:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law), 441 points, T:1768, killed by a gnome lord 19:58 our entire clan's recruiting motto was "no pressure" which somehow did not result in any accomplishments 19:59 [hdf-au] [nh370] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:62945 20:00 my AceHack ascension had only one polyself, into a jellyfish, which obviously wasn't intentional 20:00 shadow: no speedrun for you? 20:00 [hdf-us] [un] flandre (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Aphrodite, on T:6784 20:01 <@shadow_rider> maybe if i’m in the mood 20:02 <@shadow_rider> i’m just doing whatever i feel trying this year 20:02 wow, there's a sub-2-hour ascension in ndnh 20:02 this junethack 20:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] hilliance (Hea Gno Mal Neu) attained the rank of Medicus ossium (level 14), on T:23835 20:02 I have the second-fastest ascension, 7:40:42 in acehack 20:02 yeah i tried my hand at running a fast one before june started 20:02 is ndnh particularly good for speedrunning? 20:02 it was very inoptimal and very poorly planned but had some good luck 20:03 im not a speedrunner but i think it could be very interesting to see done by someone actually fast 20:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law), 520 points, T:888, killed by a dwarf 20:03 and with an actual route 20:03 i think that record is safe lol 20:03 I've been aiming to get my ascensions down to around 7 hours or so 20:03 or, well I was many years ago, then continued when I started playing again this week 20:04 i really think player trophies should be converted to clan categories, why have separate achievements? 20:04 <@shadow_rider> i remember discussing with demo amateurhour and maybe riker about (n)dnh route 20:04 <@shadow_rider> but then no one tried it lol 20:05 I have been routing valk, but am nowhere near to the great valk speedrunners of old 20:05 eth barb is definitely much faster than vamp barb 20:05 the conversation we had i was wrong 20:05 i thought it would be a toss up 20:05 valk in vanilla-ish variants, that is 20:05 * anselmus often finds himself unable to press a single key because he has no idea what to do next 20:06 i might take the ttyrecs and record audio explaining the runs 20:06 <@shadow_rider> demo was your run with an eth or vamp? 20:06 eth 20:06 MUCH faster than vamp 20:06 <@shadow_rider> oh commentary would be sick 20:06 I'm the sort of person who appreciates new speedrun content 20:06 [hdf-au] [nh370] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Yeenoghu, on T:62999 20:06 i appreciate good speedrun content around good runs 20:06 that do clever novel things 20:07 and are well optimzied 20:07 this is not the case at all 20:07 i stumbled ass backwards into a good run 20:07 actually, both for NetHack and in general 20:07 ais523: i have a vague feeling you're very famous for something that i've forgotten 20:07 I think what I struggle most with is the early game 20:07 with the plan being "i know this game very well, i have a rough idea of what i want to do and a rough outline but the implementation details will have to be winged" 20:07 and what I struggle second-most with is getting the items needed for Castle/Medusa 20:08 anselmus: I'm famous for a few different things 20:08 turncount maybe? 20:08 <@shadow_rider> speedrun is embodiment of wing it 20:08 and in NetHack communities you could be thinking of pretty much any of them, because many of them are NetHack-related and many of them appeal to the sort of people who like NetHack 20:08 maybe you're thinking of the TAS? 20:08 [hdf-au] [nh370] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Nunnullus' ghost, the former Enchanter, on T:63012 20:08 oh right 20:09 the research project into figuring out the absolute minimum theoretical turncount, if all luck goes perfectly 20:09 bones on Orcus level 20:09 ""Nunnullus, killed by a marilith, while paralyzed by Yeenoghu" 20:09 in 3.4.3 (because the TAS research itself informed the creation of 3.6.x) 20:10 eth barb medusa item- starting weapon, just hit her 20:10 even then we aren't quite sure whether it's 2002 or 2003, but the proposed 2002-turn route looks absolutely soul-destroying to try to savescum for 20:10 i dont remember if i got medusa or grue though 20:10 that was impressive indeed 20:11 [hdf-au] [nh370] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) found the Master Key of Thievery on the floor, on T:63013 20:11 oh, killing Medusa isn't usually a problem, it's rare to have none of blindfold/towel/reflection by that depth and even then you can sometimes kill her before she gets a turn 20:11 i would like to see a TAS of one of the variants that removes the 2000 turn hard limit 20:11 the problem is to avoid getting trapped between Medusa and Castle once you do 20:11 which is actually a surprising number of variants 20:11 I nearly made that mistake in my last-but-one ascension, but fortunately there was a wand of opening on Medusa's island itself 20:11 maybe even 37? 20:12 saving me from having to farm deathdrops 20:12 to try to find a way to escape 20:12 -!- froggles has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:12 i started out with something lucky in cataclysm once and they were asking for the rng seed and shit 20:12 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Gollum, on T:997 (0:56:02) 20:12 hmm, does the Bell of Opening work for the Castle? the problem *there* is that I normally grind the Valley in order to hit level 14, then backtrack to the quest 20:13 <@shadow_rider> bell does work 20:13 I'm one of the people who's opposed to lifting the level 14 Quest entry limit, because I think it makes the game more strategically interesting if "figure out how to reach 14" is one of the things you have to do 20:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Kni Hum Mal Law) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1392 20:14 [hdf-au] [nh370] Serel (Sam Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a flaming sphere, on T:4106 20:14 14 is just low enough to not be terrible to try to hit, whilst being just high enough that having a plan really helps 20:14 [hdf-us] [xnh] inlawBiker (Val Hum Fem Law) destroyed qt's ghost, the former Warrior, on T:27219 20:15 that's what was so amazing about 343, so many good players that eventually every single thing became exploitable 20:16 3.4.3 is still amazing in that respect 20:16 <@shadow_rider> demo if you commentate or write out notes about your run i may be interested in trying to do some runs 20:16 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Hea Dro Fem Neu), 5895 points, T:6946, drowned in a pool of water by an electric eel 20:16 [hdf-au] [nh370] Serel (Sam Hum Mal Law), 3388 points, T:4356, killed by a giant spider 20:17 yeah im not gonna write notes cause thats actually work, but ill see about recording a watch through the replay with some commentary 20:17 collecting the ttyrecs right now 20:17 looks like there are only three 20:18 [hdf-au] [nh370] sausagecat (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 0 points, T:215, killed by a magic missile zapped by a guard 20:18 I don't think I'm going to manage a sub-2-hour game this junethack (even though it's well-known to be possible even in 3.4.3) 20:18 <@shadow_rider> heh 20:18 dnh generally (there are quests with an exception) retains the level 14 quest entry limit and it works fine because theres a TON of other midgame content to do before the quest that lets you build that level easily without having to sit and farm ghosts at an empty temple 20:19 I have won "first ascension" at at least one tournament in the past, maybe two (although I had the advantage that the actually competent speedrunners were asleep and I was deep into Gehennom by the time they decided to check on the tournament, which dissuaded them from competing) 20:19 damn 20:20 i had the first and only ascension this june i think for over 24 hours 20:20 oh, I should have realised that people would have an exploit for reaching 14 easily 20:20 farming ghosts isnt easy, its boring and slow, but safe 20:20 my usual, if I really have no gain level sources, is to clear out the Valley 20:20 that's normally enough to hit 14, and saves time later on 20:20 but it means you have to do castle before quest 20:21 …come to think of it, is there actually a reason for the quest portal to be above the castle? 20:21 [hdf-eu] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 20:22 [hdf-eu] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:8, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 20:22 actually, no, it should be above 20:22 <@shadow_rider> my strategy is to wait to do the quest when not level 14 and forget to do it until realizing i don’t have the bell at vib square 20:22 so there's a choice of castle-first and quest-first which are both viable options 20:22 some roles really want to do the quest before the castle 20:22 [hdf-au] [xnh] Moult (Hea Gno Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2480 20:23 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Wiz Orc Nbn Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a scroll of annihilation 20:23 the most fun part of the game for me is figuring out how to beat the castle 20:23 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Hdf-Nob Hlf Fem Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:895 20:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 5 points, T:138, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 20:24 I'm torn on that – I love that there are so many options for the Castle and that you only have access to a random subset in any given game 20:24 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Kni Inf Fem Cha), 50 points, T:77, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 20:24 but I hate that there's no obvious alternative if none of those options generate 20:25 ooh, I just had an idea: maybe the Valley should be accessible without doing the Castle? 20:25 people would still do the Castle anyway, for the wishes 20:25 in dnh thats basically how it works 20:25 but being able to access Valley before Castle would be something to do if the Castle wasn't available yet 20:25 some castle variants do have stairs outside the castle itself 20:26 I've been kind-of considering that maybe there should be another branch between Sokoban and Medusa (we already have the Quest, but I think there's an opportunity for a second branch in that region) 20:27 perhaps the Castle should be at the end of that branch, rather than between Medusa and Valley 20:27 Like the change which removes the L14 barrier. Did the quest (unsuccessfully) at L12 in SlashTHEM yesterday, but the hard way. Had converted myself earlier when trying to convert an altar, so I killed my quest leader and strolled on in. Dracula took me out though, was not prepared for how hard and fast he hits. 20:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law), 1247 points, T:2296, killed by a Mordor orc 20:28 IIRC at least one devteam member really hates the game giving any incentive to kill your own quest leader 20:28 I'm personally sympathetic of the idea of "if you kill your quest leader you can do the quest for the Bell, but lose out on your quest artifact" but that doesn't fit the game's current flavour for the Quest 20:29 They're not the boss of me :-) 20:29 slashem xp curve is also notably different though 20:29 oh slashthem, nevermind 20:29 i suppose the portal isn't even necessary, have the quest leader just summon you 20:30 it's also a bit inelegant for the quest artifact and bell of opening to be in the same place, but this is hard to improve no 20:30 * on 20:30 unless you somehow make all the quest artifacts individually capable of unlocking a) the invocation or b) a path to the bell of opening, which is hard because they function so differently 20:31 in dnh, you can replace the silver bell in the ritual with the silver key, which if you wield, acts as the silver bell being run after lighting the candle 20:31 with the Eye and Orb it's easy, but for something like the Sceptre it's much harder 20:31 i always do the castle before the quest 20:31 and the silver key is accessible by... a long answer 20:31 picking it up off the floor at the end of a long long multi branch branch 20:31 [hdf-us] [ace] recuerdo (Val Dwa Fem Law), 36662 points, T:3305, poisoned by a soldier ant 20:31 [hdf-us] [xnh] inlawBiker (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Cerberus, on T:28079 20:33 [hdf-au] [nh370] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) genocided class L, on T:63102 20:35 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:2110 (1:15:56) 20:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Kni Hum Mal Law), 493 points, T:2195, killed by a gnome, while frozen by a floating eye's gaze 20:46 [hdf-au] [nh370] sausagecat (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 743 points, T:1690, killed by a gnome lord 20:50 !rng nethack sleep 20:50 nabru: nethack 20:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] hilliance (Hea Gno Mal Neu) found the Staff of Aesculapius on the floor, on T:24576 20:52 [hdf-eu] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 20:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] hilliance (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed the Cyclops, on T:24578 20:53 [hdf-au] [nh370] sausagecat (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 42 points, T:445, killed by a kobold 20:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] hilliance (Hea Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:24585 20:55 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Dra Elf Nbn Neu), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled baby black dragon 20:56 -!- shadowrider38 has joined #hardfought 20:58 [hdf-us] [nh4] Nabru (nabru) (Val Dwa Fem Law), 28779 points, T:1221, killed by a falling object 21:01 !rng die ascend 21:01 Bleeko: ascend 21:01 Wheew. 21:02 [hdf-us] [slth] skwrl (Wiz Dro Mal Cha), 11016 points, T:4246, killed by a soldier ant 21:04 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in twenty variants" unlocked by nabru! 21:14 [hdf-au] [nh370] sausagecat (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 608 points, T:928, killed by a crossbow bolt 21:14 and thus, I have a game in each variant, at least 21:15 [hdf-eu] [un] rainyrat (Val Hum Fem Law) entered the Blackmarket, on T:16897 (2:10:05) 21:20 [hdf-au] [nh370] sausagecat (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) made her first wish - "uncursed scroll of bless weapon", got "a scroll labeled ZELGO MER", on T:531 21:21 <@Ἑρμῆς ὁ Τρισμέγιστος> am i weird for still kinda preferring 3.4.3 because that's what i grew up with and what i had for half my life 21:21 no 21:22 Not at all, 343 is an old friend 21:23 343 was the latest for like 20 years or so 21:23 but I appreciate many ease-of-use changes to 360+ 21:24 and I never used E anyway, so having that nerfed was almost a breath of fresh air 21:24 <@Ἑρμῆς ὁ Τρισμέγιστος> It kinda makes 3.6/3.7's changes feel weird and alienating compared to how thoroughly mapped 3.4.3 felt 21:24 not that it made much difference to me personally 21:25 [hdf-us] [nh343] habib (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Ashikaga Takauji, on T:35181 21:25 and I am glad that I finally tried pudding farming before 360 came out 21:25 [hdf-us] [nh343] habib (Sam Hum Fem Law) picked up the Bell of Opening, on T:35183 21:25 I miss that 21:25 Yea, I thought the E nerf would be a much bigger deal than it ended up being. 21:25 <@Ἑρμῆς ὁ Τρισμέγιστος> i think i tried pudding farming once as a joke at the very end of my first ascension and didn't actually stick around to abuse it 21:25 ive spent a lot of time pudding farming in slam 21:26 once you start farming is hard to stop! 21:26 <@Ἑρμῆς ὁ Τρισμέγιστος> The E nerf makes me curse myself when I end up in a situation in 3.4.3 that only works there 21:26 Last june, I did a drain4gain wizard that was epic 21:26 <@Ἑρμῆς ὁ Τρισμέγιστος> when I do use it 21:27 vanilla, 343 or newer, cannot satiate my hunger anymore 21:27 <@Ἑρμῆς ὁ Τρισμέγιστος> feels a little cheaty. i like how dnh expanded it into its own mechanic instead of a secret "cheat" though. 21:27 <@Ἑρμῆς ὁ Τρισμέγιστος> i mean i've only had like one ascension from 3.4.3 until getting back into the game recently so vanilla doesn't feel stale to me yet 21:28 I like dnh, but there is sooooooo much "content" 21:29 -!- fakepass has joined #hardfought 21:29 I still have a game going that I abandoned from last June 21:30 the learning curve is steep but getting over it is incredibly rewarding 21:30 was doing well too 21:30 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Nob Hlf Fem Law), 42079 points, T:7156, killed by an Argenach Rilmani 21:31 [hdf-au] [nh370] sausagecat (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 223 points, T:1171, killed by a jackal, while fainted from lack of food 21:32 vanilla 370 has a lot of good things about it 21:33 a few things I'd rather were reverted back to 3.6.x, but whatevers 21:33 I like the new & exciting Gehennom more 21:34 pets changes are good, but some are challenging, annoying 21:35 give a pet a blessed rustproof +7 katana and it doesn't wield it until it chooses to fight an enemy 21:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Arc Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1109 21:36 so drops it and finds a +0 scimitar instead 21:36 pets are incredibly hard to balance 21:36 OTOH, I have a pet fire ant named "Dave" that seems to be incredibly resislient 21:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Arc Hum Mal Law), 437 points, T:1117, killed by a gnomish wizard 21:36 NH4 has gone through lots of pet balance changes and they are probably far too goo ad at the moment 21:36 * good 21:37 esp after eating a few corpses to get instrinsics 21:37 I ascended with my starting pet without doing much special 21:37 (it became a gnome king at some point) 21:37 it did die once, but had found a "oLS by that point 21:37 lucky! 21:38 Usually only possible with luck and a favourable polymorph of your starting pet 21:39 I've ascended a ranger with starting pet polyed into a balrog, they make nice pets 21:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping 7 darts on an altar, on T:4248 21:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 699 points, T:1662, killed by a killer bee, while frozen by a floating eye's gaze 21:40 I think it probably wasn't so much luck, as a balance error 21:41 still, I'd rather err on the side of being nice to the player in NH4 21:41 that is what NH4 is about really 21:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:4456 21:45 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Hea Dro Fem Neu), 378 points, T:1409, killed by a rolling boulder trap 21:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1488 points, T:2852, killed by a giant bat 21:45 [hdf-us] [ace] recuerdo (Val Dwa Fem Law), 28913 points, T:4111, killed by a hill orc 21:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] dingotron (Bar Hum Fem Cha) was bestowed with Cleaver by Set, on T:15164 21:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1201 points, T:863, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted gnome lady 21:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] recuerdo (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:3635 21:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Arc Hum Mal Law), 2233 points, T:2652, killed by a kitten 21:57 Balrogs good 21:58 Also if anything I get "stuck" in the mid to late game because I play slow and super-cautious more often than not 21:58 constantly multitasking IRL and probably have undiagnosed ADHD 22:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1270 points, T:1605, killed by a homunculus, while sleeping 22:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Arc Hum Mal Law) found Demonbane on the floor, on T:114 22:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] dingotron (Bar Hum Fem Cha) was bestowed with Sting by Set, on T:15293 22:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:1543 22:05 -!- hackemslashem has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at them by some watery tart, on T:7216 22:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1132 points, T:2089, killed by a jackal 22:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] recuerdo (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Kevkat's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:6925 22:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Arc Hum Mal Law), 2111 points, T:1728, killed by a gnomish wizard 22:23 -!- cathartes has joined #hardfought 22:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Arc Hum Mal Law), 3228 points, T:2718, killed by a rabid rat 22:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Arc Hum Mal Law), 35 points, T:177, killed by a sewer rat 22:29 [hdf-us] [nh343] anselmus (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) had an athame named Magicbane bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:10778 22:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] VFD (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1092 22:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] recuerdo (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:8779 22:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] recuerdo (Val Dwa Fem Law) was bestowed with Mjollnir by Tyr, on T:9177 22:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tog (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered Plane of Fire, on T:56618 22:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Arc Hum Mal Law), 3500 points, T:3999, killed by an ochre jelly 22:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tog (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered Plane of Water, on T:56670 22:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tog (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered the Astral Plane, on T:56776 23:00 [hdf-us] [un] TreninB (Wiz Vam Fem Neu), 30074 points, T:15604, killed by an energy vortex 23:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tog (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Famine, on T:56795 23:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Arc Hum Mal Law), 3118 points, T:2639, killed by a rothe 23:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Mon Hum Mal Law), 1682 points, T:2807, killed by a wand 23:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tog (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Famine (2nd time), on T:56811 23:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] VFD (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1608 points, T:3297, killed by a giant ant 23:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tog (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 3671228 points, T:56826, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Tog/nethack/dumplog/1687276134.nh.html 23:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Arc Hum Mal Law), 187 points, T:1342, killed by a bat 23:07 -!- oh7 has joined #hardfought 23:07 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:07 -!- oh7 is now known as oh6 23:07 [hdf-us] [un] TreninB (Wiz Vam Fem Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1749 (0:06:33) 23:10 [hdf-us] [un] TreninB (Wiz Vam Fem Neu) entered a shop, on T:2145 (0:09:01) 23:10 [hdf-au] [evil] Orcranger (Pri Ith Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of reflection, on T:13076 (6:36:33) 23:13 Junethack: New user zoe registered! https://junethack.net/user/zoe 23:13 Junethack: Tog ascended a game of NetHack 3.7.0 on www.hardfought.org! 23:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Arc Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1998 23:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1033 points, T:2163, killed by a giant ant, while praying 23:16 [hdf-us] [un] TreninB (Wiz Vam Fem Neu), 1307 points, T:2750, killed by a giant spider 23:16 [hdf-us] [xnh] inlawBiker (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:29471 23:16 yay no purple L 23:16 [hdf-us] [xnh] inlawBiker (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Juiblex (for the 2nd time), on T:29499 23:17 [hdf-us] [xnh] inlawBiker (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Juiblex (for the 3rd time), on T:29520 23:17 [hdf-us] [xnh] inlawBiker (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Juiblex (for the 5th time), on T:29556 23:19 [hdf-us] [xnh] inlawBiker (Val Hum Fem Law) genocided class V, on T:29729 23:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1156 points, T:1154, killed by a bat 23:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] VFD (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Qwesti's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:2148 23:24 <@Spider74656> gg Tog! 23:27 The invisible yellow dragon knocks the umber hulk backward with a forceful blow! The umber hulk drowns. >> 23:28 [hdf-us] [xnh] inlawBiker (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:30708 23:30 [hdf-au] [xnh] Moult (Hea Gno Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:5705 23:33 -!- shadowrider38 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Arc Hum Mal Law) was bestowed with Grayswandir by Quetzalcoatl, on T:6576 23:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Arc Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a werejackal, on T:6621 23:40 [hdf-us] [un] TreninB (Kni Hum Mal Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:2233 (0:23:45) 23:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Arc Hum Mal Law), 6180 points, T:7476, killed by a hill orc 23:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1193 points, T:1114, killed by a newt, while frozen by a floating eye's gaze 23:44 -!- oh7 has joined #hardfought 23:45 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:45 -!- oh7 is now known as oh6 23:45 [hdf-au] [nh343] Mishka (Bar Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fireproof greased rustproof +2 speed boots", on T:50091 23:47 [hdf-au] [nh343] Mishka (Bar Orc Fem Cha) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:50098 23:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tog (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) became literate by reading a book, on T:3686 23:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Arc Hum Mal Law), 766 points, T:1328, killed by a rothe 23:49 [hdf-us] [un] TreninB (Kni Hum Mal Law), 924 points, T:3191, killed by a rothe, while fainted from lack of food 23:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 2998 points, T:3745, killed by a gnome 23:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] icantfindaname (Arc Hum Mal Law), 28 points, T:228, killed by a jackal 23:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] VFD (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1236 points, T:2771, killed by a giant ant 23:52 [hdf-au] [nh343] Mishka (Bar Orc Fem Cha) wished for "Blessed greased +2 gauntlets of power", on T:50100 23:54 [hdf-au] [nh343] Mishka (Bar Orc Fem Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:50105 23:56 whew that was close 23:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tog (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed fixed +2 silver dragon scale mail", got "a silver dragon scale mail", on T:4357 23:58 [hdf-us] [nh343] anselmus (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:12986