00:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tog (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 508 points, T:2998, killed by a homunculus, while sleeping 00:04 [hdf-us] [hackm] shadowrider38 (Mon Dop Fem Neu) killed Baphomet, on T:28175 (2:51:22) 00:06 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:9792 (1:29:18) 00:11 [hdf-au] [nh370] cathartes (Pri Hum Fem Neu) became Mog's Envoy of Balance, on T:14644 00:11 [hdf-au] [nh370] cathartes (Pri Hum Fem Neu) was bestowed with Vorpal Blade, on T:14644 00:11 [hdf-us] [xnh] bleeko (Bar Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:6192 00:15 Highrolled the random timeout, bene there 00:15 been* 00:17 -!- shadowrider38 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:17 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:10901 (1:40:21) 00:20 -!- Bleeko has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:24 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha) averted death (starvation), on T:11902 (1:47:16) 00:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tog (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 888 points, T:3125, killed by an iguana 00:32 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha), 14856 points, T:12852, killed by a succubus, while fainted from lack of food 00:42 [hdf-au] [nh370] cathartes (Pri Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Sokoban amulet of reflection, on T:16454 00:43 [hdf-us] [un] yamamushi (Val Hum Fem Law) averted death (human mummy), on T:21762 (2:48:02) 00:46 [hdf-us] [spl] Spider74656 (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 2 points, T:34, killed by a water demon 00:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Dhl-Hea Dro Fem Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:31164 00:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] inlawBiker (Pri Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed ring of conflict", got "a blessed emerald ring", on T:40743 00:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] inlawBiker (Pri Elf Fem Cha) entered the Elemental Planes, on T:40953 00:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] inlawBiker (Pri Elf Fem Cha) entered Plane of Earth, on T:40953 00:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] inlawBiker (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (2nd time), on T:40954 00:53 [hdf-us] [un] yamamushi (Val Hum Fem Law), 40069 points, T:23532, killed by a human mummy 00:54 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Ana Vam Mal Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:6111 00:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] inlawBiker (Pri Elf Fem Cha) entered Plane of Air, on T:41006 00:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] inlawBiker (Pri Elf Fem Cha) averted death (killed by an air elemental), on T:41064 00:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] inlawBiker (Pri Elf Fem Cha) averted death (killed by an air elemental), on T:41077 00:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] inlawBiker (Pri Elf Fem Cha) entered Plane of Fire, on T:41087 00:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] inlawBiker (Pri Elf Fem Cha) entered Plane of Water, on T:41130 01:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] inlawBiker (Pri Elf Fem Cha) entered the Astral Plane, on T:41174 01:01 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] inlawBiker (Pri Elf Fem Cha) found Grayswandir carried by a monster, on T:41187 01:04 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Dhl-Hea Dro Fem Neu) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of genocide", on T:32502 01:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] inlawBiker (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed Famine, on T:41250 01:06 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Raisse (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 337 points, T:1545, fell into a pit 01:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] inlawBiker (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed Famine (2nd time), on T:41289 01:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] inlawBiker (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed Famine (3rd time), on T:41322 01:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] inlawBiker (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed Famine (5th time), on T:41356 01:08 <@cpittman> Hang on. This dude used up a couple amulets of life saving, then found Grayswandir on the Astral Plane. 01:09 That's ormal 01:09 normal* 01:09 <@cpittman> They're fighting to the 2nd temple. This is exciting. 01:10 <@cpittman> @Umbire yeah, but when I went to watch the game they were wearing an amulet of reflection. 01:11 <@cpittman> And still had another amulet of life saving in inventory 01:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] inlawBiker (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed Pestilence, on T:41444 01:13 Probably hotswapped because of native air E 01:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] inlawBiker (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed Pestilence (2nd time), on T:41459 01:13 also artifacts on Astral are common enough 01:13 my question is does he reach the finish line 01:14 !lastgame yamamushi 01:14 !lastgame yamamushi 01:14 anselmus: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/y/yamamushi/unnethack/dumplog/1686016502.un.txt.html 01:15 <@cpittman> I hope so. I was pretty upset for a couple days the one time I made it to the Astral Plane and died. 01:16 not wearing shoes, ouch 01:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] inlawBiker (Pri Elf Fem Cha) averted death (killed by a priestess of Quetzalcoatl), on T:41479 01:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] inlawBiker (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed Pestilence (3rd time), on T:41480 01:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] inlawBiker (Pri Elf Fem Cha) averted death (killed by a psychic blast), on T:41486 01:17 wow that's a lot of AoLS 01:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] inlawBiker (Pri Elf Fem Cha) averted death (killed by an Archon), on T:41500 01:18 <@cpittman> I ascended with half a dozen the other day. 01:18 <@cpittman> Fuck, I think that was the last one they had! 01:19 Christ, psychic blast? 01:19 <@cpittman> Shit, and they're not wearing the amulet or shield of reflection! 01:19 for AC -40, this seems like a really weak character 01:19 not wearing shield? 01:20 140 HP = low bulk even with high defenses 01:20 <@cpittman> No, I think they're in "fuck it" mode 01:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] inlawBiker (Pri Elf Fem Cha) averted death (killed by Famine), on T:41564 01:20 slow the fuck down sheesh 01:20 it might be ogre 01:20 no FH or anything else at all? 01:20 Shield is very much on 01:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] inlawBiker (Pri Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed wand of teleport", got "a blessed wand of striking", on T:41591 01:21 and parser'd 01:21 teleportation 01:21 shit way to go, that 01:21 <@cpittman> NO! 01:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] inlawBiker (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 1086610 points, T:41598, killed by an Aleax (with the Amulet) 01:22 !lastgame inlawBiker 01:22 cathartes: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/i/inlawBiker/nethack/dumplog/1685714440.nh.html 01:22 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Raisse (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) became literate by engraving "gkjf", on T:3365 01:22 <@cpittman> Fuck, I thought they were going to break the wand and make all the monsters teleport 01:22 that's a big waste of a wand of teleport unless it has like 1 charge left 01:23 it helps the wish gave him a wand of definitely-not-teleportation 01:23 <@cpittman> I thought you weren't allowed to teleport in the astral plane 01:23 would conflict even have helped, this being 3.7? 01:23 so priests are fairly weak on the astral plane because they usually don't have good weapons 01:23 <@Shadow_Rider> conflict is still good 01:23 conflict still works in 3.7 01:24 they weren't invisible either 01:24 oh they were 01:24 <@Shadow_Rider> most of the astral stuff has see invis anyways 01:24 well the nasties don't 01:25 you would think after the first 3 deaths or so you might stop to regroup 01:25 <@Shadow_Rider> @cpittman you yourself cannot teleport but you are free to teleport other monsters away 01:25 e.g. when jumping to altars 01:25 zap tele, clear the way, bounce 01:26 <@cpittman> @Shadow_Rider That's what I meant. But I thought I saw the dude zap himself with teleport 01:26 priests are one of the more difficult classes in late-game: no twoweaponing, poor weapons usually, unskilled attack spells 01:26 <@Shadow_Rider> mm yeah that one is definitely not working 01:26 wearing SD instead of +4 prot 01:27 I mean he was getting ragdolled even with -40 AC 01:27 <@Shadow_Rider> i mean 4 more ac isn’t going to do much more 01:27 would've been a better use of a slot but might not've helped much 01:27 <@Shadow_Rider> there were other bigger issues there 01:28 24785: genocided class H 01:28 ??? 01:28 Titan/minotaur fear I guess 01:28 <@Shadow_Rider> i remember i used to genocide minotaurs 01:28 not unjustified but I don't kill every giant ever about it 01:28 <@Shadow_Rider> :P 01:29 did H but not h? 01:29 wow they're bad at wishing 01:29 <@Shadow_Rider> titan can’t be genocided even 01:29 29452: wished for "wand of colde", got "a cursed wand of striking" 01:29 <@cpittman> I mean, if I was a Dwarf, I'd be all, "Fuck giants!", too. 01:30 <@Shadow_Rider> i hope this person is not here reading this lol 01:30 <@Shadow_Rider> everyone clowning on them 01:30 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Raisse (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 4207 points, T:5681, killed by a giant ant 01:30 I mean I'm always mad on behalf of someone who misses ascending by that much 01:31 I assume the ring of conflict they had got blown up by shock damage on the planes. 01:31 So I hope they can run it back 01:31 but hopefully it was a learning experience, they've ascended several times before on nao 01:31 -!- lorimer has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:31 Far less room for error in comparison I imagine 01:32 <@cpittman> I mean, dude got a priest to Astral Plane in the 1st week of the tournament. They'll be fine. Plus it was 3.7 01:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] arthur (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 999 points, T:2462, killed by a bear trap 01:32 [hdf-us] [spl] Spider74656 (Car Elf Fem Cha), 116 points, T:106, killed by a goblin 01:33 <@cpittman> I've got a game going in fourk, and I'm worried that I'll mess up the 1st genocide scroll I use 01:33 no you don't come back from that 01:33 <@cpittman> (because of the symbol changes) 01:33 that was so bad 01:33 despite how many life savings 01:34 a demonstration of how life saving is mostly useless 01:34 because if you need it once you probably need it again 01:34 <@cpittman> I'm not sure if I've ever ascended without using life saving 01:35 <@Shadow_Rider> i still prefer life saving 01:35 <@Shadow_Rider> allows me to not play so tightly 01:35 <@Shadow_Rider> worrying about instadeaths 01:37 <@cpittman> Even the ascensions I didn't use life saving, the character was wearing one. 01:37 <@malor> 7 deaths. That's pretty high. 01:39 <@malor> Here is why life saving is good: Because sometimes you make a mistake or aren't watching your messages (for the variants that don't auto-stop you). No mater what else the amulet does, saving you from your own mistake is something you can't replace without AI 01:40 that was the first game of the tourney for them 01:40 and probably only game 01:40 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha) entered Minetown, on T:1027 (0:05:49) 01:40 154 wins in the past. So clearly he knows what he's doing. Not sure how he managed to die 7 times. https://nethackscoreboard.org/players/i/inlawBiker.nh.html 01:41 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:1044 (0:06:00) 01:41 life saving is always better because the alternative is no life saving 01:41 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha) entered a shop, on T:1092 (0:06:36) 01:41 Honestly dying 7 times is probably harder than ascending in general :). Maybe not on vanilla where you get 7 wishes a lot of the time, but on some variants that would be hard to pull off :) 01:42 if you have nothing else for the amulet slot, sure, you can wear life saving. 01:42 If I get amulet of reflection I usually use it though, so I can save resources. 01:43 but AoLS is not a substitute for being properly prepared, even if you have 7 of them 01:43 that's my point, reflection isn't an option so you'll always have that regardless 01:44 so the choice is life saving or no life saving 01:44 Getting reflection is really easy though (late game). Obviously initially where you don't have another source reflection is BETTER THAN AoL, but once you have an option of something else then you can have BOTH life saving and reflection! 01:45 man he didn't even clear one altar 01:50 sometimes you're just not on the ball, it happens to most of us 01:50 I'm sure he'll manage one before june's out 01:52 i'd say that was more of a nuclear meltdown than a lapse 01:53 * anselmus wonders what spells they were using 01:53 probably nothing useful considering they had a shield of reflection 01:54 I didn't notice any spellcasting on astral 01:55 would be funny if they had magic missile 01:55 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Wiz Vam Fem Cha), 2658 points, T:2409, killed by an incubus 01:56 it's gonna miss the riders at the worst possible time 01:56 -!- docpi has joined #hardfought 01:57 had 23 dex though, so miss rate would be ok 02:00 <@Shadow_Rider> the issue was using demonbane as a primary weapon 02:00 <@Shadow_Rider> they weren’t even wielding anything at the end…? 02:00 they were using a cockatrice corpse at some point 02:01 <@Shadow_Rider> i’m not sure if that makes it better or worse lol 02:02 -!- fakepass__ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:03 demonbane is basically a regular mace here. I've ascended with mundane singleweaponing before, though usually I use a trick on Astral instead of trying to beat everything up with a mundane weapon. 02:04 [hdf-us] [slth] malor (Nin Dop Mal Cha) killed the ghost of post163, the former Cneaz, on T:3235 02:04 [hdf-us] [nh343] yamamushi (Val Hum Fem Law), 3660 points, T:5563, killed by a werejackal, while frozen by a monster's gaze 02:08 [hdf-au] [nh370] Ted (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) attained the rank of Enchantress (level 14), on T:29426 02:09 [hdf-au] [nh370] Ted (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) attained the rank of Sorceress (level 18), on T:29429 02:16 [hdf-us] [hackm] yamamushi (Val Hum Fem Law), 745 points, T:1917, killed by a burning eye 02:21 so their /death got exploded by lightning after they removed reflection 02:22 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Raisse (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) was bestowed with Magicbane by Thoth, on T:4240 02:24 -!- shadowrider38 has joined #hardfought 02:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Graydot (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) murdered his faithful kitten, on T:612 02:27 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Raisse (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 1504 points, T:5487, killed by a lizard 02:28 oh and had gop in the bag, that def would've helped 02:30 what they really should've wished for is mkot 02:31 anyway that was fun :) 02:32 wait, they wished for conflict? 02:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] Graydot (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1244 02:34 and lol: o) magic missile 2 attack 45% 76%-100 02:36 [hdf-us] [4k] cpittman (Shi Val Fem Neu), 25035 points, T:19038, killed by a large dog 02:36 which also got exploded, i see 02:36 <@cpittman> Uh... Whoops. I set my glasses down on the keyboard and it waited until a dog fucking killed me. 02:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] xialg (Kni Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Banneret (level 18), on T:66053 02:37 :( 02:37 rld: OPTION=!rest_on_space 02:38 <@cpittman> It was hitting the period key, not the spacebar 02:38 <@cpittman> So fucking dumb 02:38 Ah. 02:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] xialg (Kni Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:66081 02:38 <@Spider74656> I've done that, w/objects more debatable on a keyboard. (glasses of liquid...) 02:39 <@Spider74656> ...risking the keyboard as well as my game. 02:40 cheesy market niche idea: Adhesive stickers labeled "Danger Zone" for keyboards. 02:40 i have a midi keyboard on my desk that is slightly curved and it's truly amazing how many object have slid off and hit the hardwood floor 02:40 Ambiguous, too, for that extra word play. 02:40 and i never learn 02:41 monitor included 02:41 anselmus, would the items gain more momentum while sliding off if it were a maxi keyboard then? 02:41 * docpi smiles brightly 02:41 Hate losing games to shit like that 02:42 docpi: good one! 02:42 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 02:42 <@cpittman> The last laptop I bought was ONLY because I dropped a beer on the old one and I needed to turn in an assignment the next day and couldn't afford to wait to fix the 10yr old laptop I was using. 02:42 <@Spider74656> Yipes! @mumrapi what the keyboards need are to be black+yellow diagonally-striped. It would hint at many dangers... 02:43 <@Spider74656> Sorry that was for @mumrapi . 02:43 <@Spider74656> what the heck? Docpi becomes Mumrapi? 02:43 <@Spider74656> Twice? 02:44 * docpi checks himself 02:44 Um, no, I am still myself. 02:44 <@Spider74656> That's what I thought.... 02:44 <@cpittman> Might have to check harder, dude. 02:44 * docpi checks again 02:44 discord :P 02:44 * docpi cashes in 02:44 Yay, I am rich. 02:45 cpittman: hehe i'm sure the assignment turned out well 02:46 <@Spider74656> I predict a science project on the effect of alcohol on keyboards... 02:47 <@cpittman> @mumrapi omg bro, you even realize how much crypto changes the e-bike marketplace? like, blockchain, right? Tells you where the money's coming from, bro, and like ROI is 6969%. ( : 02:47 rld, many assignments on that subject were prevented by the very subject of research occurring. 02:48 <@Spider74656> I believe it. 02:48 ... why are you hiliting rld, docpi? ;) 02:48 s/hiliting/pinging/ 02:48 getting drunk the night before = zero fucks given 02:48 RESPECT 02:50 'lo paxed 02:50 hi 02:50 Hello paxed, Welcome to #hardfought 02:50 [hdf-au] [nh370] Ted (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) found the Eye of the Aethiopica on the floor, on T:31431 02:51 [hdf-au] [nh370] Ted (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed the invisible Dark One, on T:31437 02:51 [hdf-au] [nh370] Ted (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:31439 02:54 [hdf-eu] [4k] Debil (engelson) (Bar Hum Mal Cha) unlocked the Caveman role by digging, on T:10185 02:55 <@Spider74656> !pom 02:55 @Spider74656: The moon is waning gibbous; new moon in 11 days. 02:55 <@Spider74656> rats...full moon is over, as I expected. 02:56 [hdf-eu] [4k] Debil (engelson) (Bar Hum Mal Cha) entered the Sokoban zoo, on T:10236 02:56 [hdf-eu] [4k] Debil (engelson) (Bar Hum Mal Cha) unlocked the Knight role by completing Sokoban without cheating, on T:10236 02:56 [hdf-eu] [4k] Debil (engelson) (Bar Hum Mal Cha) unlocked the horse name option by completing Sokoban without cheating, on T:10236 02:57 [hdf-eu] [gh] elenmirie (Ran Orc Fem Cha), 1471 points, T:2439, killed by a dwarvish lord 02:58 now when you maximize your Luck, it will actually stay maximized. not that you usually care about having 13 instead of 12 Luck. 02:58 [hdf-eu] [gh] elenmirie (Ran Orc Fem Cha), 11 points, T:37, killed by a dwarf 02:58 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Raisse (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) was bestowed with Magicbane by Thoth, on T:2526 02:58 (saving a game during a full moon decreases your Luck by 1) 03:00 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Raisse (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 744 points, T:2912, poisoned by a rotted hobbit corpse 03:00 [hdf-us] [nh343] docpi (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had an athame named Magicbane bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:5745 03:00 Yay! 03:00 <@Spider74656> really? I didn't know that. I was commenting yesterday that I was getting much longer games than usual, due to the full moon's luck bonus @ start of tournament. 03:01 yeah, loading a game during a full moon gives +1 to Luck, and saving it gives -1 Luck so that you don't gain Luck by repeatedly saving and reloading 03:02 If you had 10 base Luck before the full moon and you load the game during the full moon, you get +1 Luck, but you can't get any more. Then when you save it, you get -1 Luck, and now you have 9 base Luck. 03:02 <@Spider74656> aha. I thought luck was only +1, -1, or 0...so nothing above +1 was possible... 03:03 <@Spider74656> boy do I need to study up on luck! 03:03 [hdf-us] [nh343] UmberConductor (Cav Hum Mal Neu) had a double-headed axe named Cleaver bestowed upon him by Ishtar, on T:6533 03:03 Luck ranges from -13 to +13. Base Luck is -10 to +10, and you get -3 or +3 from a luckstone. 03:04 <@Spider74656> that explains why luckstones mess me up so much.... 03:04 <@Spider74656> loadstones at least can be prevented by kick-testing... 03:04 cathartes, in 3.6/.7, I assume, not in 3.4.3, where it is +1/-1 03:05 <@Spider74656> Ah, that's where I got the -1 to +1 idea. 03:06 docpi: you mean luckstones? I thought they were +3/-3 in 3.4.3 too. 03:06 Hmm.. 03:07 You are right, cathartes. 03:07 * docpi finds himself surprised. 03:09 [hdf-eu] [gh] elenmirie (Ran Orc Fem Cha), 994 points, T:2045, killed by a small mimic 03:10 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest2474 03:10 -!- Guest2474 has quit [Killed (cadmium.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 03:10 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 03:10 <@Spider74656> /finds herself confused/ 03:10 what's confusing? 03:12 <@Spider74656> if luckstones in 3.4.3 are +3/-3, the luck in 3.4.3 cannot be limited to +1, 0, -1. 03:13 Which is exactly why I assumed -1/0/+1. Goes with the instructions on praying. 03:13 not sure where you got that idea, but I believe the Luck system hasn't changed since 3.4.3 03:14 Ah, but it does not say by how much.. 03:14 * docpi hmms 03:14 hmm. 03:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] Darothok (Cav Hum Mal Law) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of genocide", got "2 scrolls labeled THARR", on T:25850 03:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] Darothok (Cav Hum Mal Law) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:25850 03:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] Darothok (Cav Hum Mal Law) genocided class ;, on T:25851 03:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] Graydot (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 3674 points, T:3772, killed by a rothe 03:20 [hdf-eu] [hackm] mobileuser (Val Cen Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +2 Bradamante's Fury", on T:34986 (1 day, 0:30:54) 03:22 Tourist bones huh 03:22 Marker too 03:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] Darothok (Cav Hum Mal Law) polymorphed his first object, on T:26756 03:23 * docpi trongly advocates genociding all mimics. 03:25 not worth a genocide IMO. but then I normally don't genocide anything 03:25 cathartes, not even mind flayers? 03:25 neat magic lamp 03:25 not even mind flayers 03:25 * docpi tries to hide his tentacles. 03:25 Ah, that is.. interesting. 03:26 * docpi smiles innocently. 03:26 they're annoying pre-3.7, but I take notes so the memory loss isn't a huge problem 03:26 cathartes, map layout memory loss. 03:26 they're probably more dangerous in 3.7 even though there's no amnesia effect, but unihorns don't restore int anymore 03:26 Unicorn horns restore amnesia effects in 3.4.3?? 03:27 * docpi astonished 03:27 losing map layout just makes me take a bit longer on the way up, but it's not fatal. 03:27 they restore int, not your memory 03:27 Yes, of course. 03:27 restoring int prevents dying from brainlesness 03:27 cbus: Message from Umbire at 2023-06-05 18:50 EDT: gave the cat page for Hack'EM soko a description and supercategories btw 03:27 Now I remember. 03:27 (heheh) 03:27 but in 3.7 they don't restore attributes anymore 03:27 which means it's probably easier to die of int loss 03:28 also skill point loss 03:28 cathartes, even more reason not to play 3.7 03:28 which is why potion/spell of restore ability and ring of sustain ability are useful in 3.7 03:28 There is nothing in 3.6 or 3.7 that makes the versions attractive to play. 03:28 dieing of int loss is an extra big thing in evil/hackem 03:28 since zombies can eat brains too 03:28 I like blessed potion of restore ability restoring levels in 3.6. 03:29 oh no, there's nothing in them to make you want to play? 03:30 paxed, you guys should import evilhack zombies and mummies! 03:30 :) 03:30 (zombies doing termill and eating brains and mummies causing withering, a damage over time) 03:30 makes them much more exciting and a need ot use ranged on zombies 03:31 oh and the zombies resurrect 03:31 <@Spider74656> resurrecting brain-eaters??? Yeeeps! 03:31 it's so funny that the versions that're harder to break over your knee are so much less attractive for people 03:32 they are amazing! (they really spice up the early game) 03:32 I just dont say this to "troll" ppl, I really like them since the normal zombies were just speed bumps 03:32 zombies rising from pits is something at least 03:33 will say that if you've learned your way around troll disposal you can handle evil zombies 03:33 not without difficulty mind 03:33 also tinning kit is great for zombie disposal :) 03:33 just like troll disposal 03:33 I have also seen ppl toss zombie corpses into deep water 03:34 aren't they breathless 03:34 probably but I think it prevents them from spawning 03:36 the evil zombies as-is might be too much, but i wouldn't mind sprucing them up a bit 03:37 honestly on that note I've been wondering what buffs would make liches at least viable as a pet while still making sense for them 03:37 took a while to get used to them but I like it now but yeah might be too much 03:37 especially annoying losing pets to the termill 03:38 like obviously they need a not-cold attack but also what would fit 03:38 if liches could actually mon-v-mon spellcast, they'd make better pets 03:38 I say "need" but this isn't exactly high-prio I imagine 03:38 the brain eating makes it so you want a helmet (protects partly against the brain eating) and the need to keep saving a pray for the termill (but pets...) 03:38 oh evil fixes mvm combat yeah 03:38 if anything you wanna find a box and locking tool or some trees to kick 03:38 ranged attacks are your friend, even rocks 03:39 cbus I throw troll corpses in the water, not zombies 03:39 mobileuser, I saw someone do it on one of the minetowns with deep water :) 03:39 well you can't kill them that way 03:39 ah 03:39 lava will work 03:43 Forge dipping too! 03:43 yeah that works great! but you need positive luck to be safe 03:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] Darothok (Cav Hum Mal Law) found Trollsbane on the floor, on T:28962 03:48 wtf a magic trap made me invisible 03:48 I hope that's temporary 03:48 !who 03:48 mobileuser: [hdf-us] docpi [nh343] UmberConductor [nh343] Darothok [nh370] Spider74656 [spl] :: [hdf-eu] Raisse [nh370] elenmirie [gh] breadmaster [xnh] :: [hdf-au] Grasshopper [nh370] Ted [nh370] Arahael [evil] 03:49 3.7.0 magic trap? it's permanent invisibility 03:49 non 03:49 magic trap can also remove it, but best hope you have a mummy wrapping or time to spare 03:49 you might be able to toggle it off by sitting on the magic trap until the same effect is triggered 03:50 Evil makes cursed wands of invis remove invisibility I think? 03:50 that's such a good touch 03:50 yeah 03:50 [hdf-au] [nh370] Ted (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) attained the rank of Necromancer (level 22), on T:32461 03:50 still want permanent intrinsic invis removed 03:51 [hdf-au] [nh370] Ted (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Croesus, on T:32515 03:52 umbire, not to mention that cursed attack wands can backfire :D 03:53 whee poison res 03:53 only took me 9000+ turns 03:56 -!- cathartes has quit [Quit: fly away] 03:58 Umbire, I have not attained any intrinsic resistance so far in my current game. I am, what, 10k turns in, and it feels strange. 04:02 Finally, poison resistance! (T:6846) 04:06 -!- anselmus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] Darothok (Cav Hum Mal Law) entered Gehennom, on T:30999 04:22 -!- shadowrider38 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:22 -!- terrapin has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:23 -!- terrapin has joined #hardfought 04:23 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:3107 (0:28:55) 04:25 -!- Arseniy has joined #hardfought 04:28 [hdf-eu] [nh370] MalkMcJorma (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 470 points, T:679, killed by a small mimic 04:30 [hdf-eu] [nh370] MalkMcJorma (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 136 points, T:267, killed by an acidic corpse 04:32 [hdf-eu] [nh370] MalkMcJorma (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 92 points, T:357, killed by a sewer rat 04:32 -!- lorimer has joined #hardfought 04:32 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v lorimer] by ChanServ 04:33 [hdf-eu] [nh370] MalkMcJorma (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 90 points, T:148, killed by an arrow 04:33 <@Spider74656> ok, that was a new one: I killed a mimic in a deli. My pet ate its corpse & became a tripe ration himself. 04:34 <@Spider74656> (Fortunately he reverted to his original form shortly thereafter.) 04:35 <@Spider74656> I've never seen a pet morph into a stationary item before (and worse, one I might've bought+eaten if I hadn't been paying attention!) 04:35 [hdf-eu] [nh370] MalkMcJorma (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 134 points, T:694, killed by a boulder 04:36 [hdf-eu] [nh370] MalkMcJorma (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 0 points, T:95, killed by a goblin 04:38 That's normal for mimic corpses post-3.4.3 04:40 -!- fadein has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:40 <@Spider74656> Oh, I expected he'd turn into something--I just thought it'd be something alive. Tripe rations are (no longer) alive, I would presume... 04:41 it is a fun little nethack thing indeed :) 04:41 you lose polyself if you eat them yourself (in case you want to do conducts) 04:42 [hdf-us] [evil] Nightsorrow (Sam Hum Mal Law), 5193 points, T:5284, killed by a centaurian watchman 04:43 [hdf-us] [nh343] UmberConductor (Cav Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:13550 04:53 [hdf-us] [nh343] UmberConductor (Cav Hum Mal Neu) had a long sword named Fire Brand bestowed upon him by Ishtar, on T:14268 04:55 -!- fadein has joined #hardfought 05:00 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) consumed animal products (cream pie) for the first time, on T:3038 (5:56:19) 05:04 [hdf-eu] [hackm] roundrobin (Fla Elf Mal Law), 32632 points, T:12762, quit 05:04 the pet's just tripe ration-shaped for the duration 05:05 eating mimic causes you to take the guise of whatever's on your mind 05:06 <@Spider74656> aha. I'm just glad I didn't buy+eat him; that would've dinged my alignment badly (not sure about murder, as I'm playing a Pirate). 05:07 interacting with a disguised monster just uncloaks them 05:07 anyway 3 magic lamps think it's about time I just (mostly) win the game from here 05:07 <@Spider74656> yes, but killing your own pet carries penalties. 05:07 [hdf-us] [nh343] UmberConductor (Cav Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:15183 05:07 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Raisse (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:2902 05:08 which is why it just uncloaks them 05:08 you won't attack a mimicking pet just by bumping into them 05:08 <@Spider74656> oho! now I get what you meant. Good to know! 05:09 [hdf-us] [nh343] UmberConductor (Cav Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +3 shield of reflection", on T:15212 05:09 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Raisse (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 2057 points, T:3200, killed by a mumak 05:09 got both 3s 05:09 <@Spider74656> wow! 05:11 [hdf-au] [nh370] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", got "a magic marker", on T:59595 05:13 paxed, one thing that would be awesome to grab from variants that would be a huge QoL would be to allow dropping containers on altars 05:14 but it is probably already on some todo point for you (the devteam) 05:14 I love that feature that many variants seem to have 05:14 only balance issue it could have would be that it ids BUC for ?oScareMonster 05:14 but if you are a careful player you would already not bring them out and drop on altar and save them until you need them and preferably pre-bless them by dipping into holy water 05:15 so shouldnt change much for "perfect play" 05:15 [hdf-au] [nh370] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) entered the Elemental Planes, on T:59650 05:15 [hdf-au] [nh370] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) entered Plane of Earth, on T:59650 05:15 [hdf-au] [nh370] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5th time), on T:59651 05:18 [hdf-au] [nh370] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) entered Plane of Air, on T:59702 05:19 [hdf-us] [nh343] UmberConductor (Cav Hum Mal Neu) retrieved the Mine's End luckstone, on T:16262 05:20