00:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:3641 00:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] laura (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 2826 points, T:7615, killed by a gold golem 00:29 [hdf-us] [slshm] yury (Wiz Dop Mal Neu), 725 points, T:1487, killed by a gas spore's explosion 00:32 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Gollum, on T:2372 (0:44:04) 00:32 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest4152 00:32 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 00:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] a1 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 2959 points, T:5486, killed by a bolt of fire 00:36 -!- Guest4152 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:39 [hdf-us] [slshm] yury (Wiz Dop Mal Neu), 1467 points, T:945, killed by a werejackal, while helpless 00:42 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest5147 00:42 -!- Guest5147 has quit [Killed (iridium.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 00:42 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 00:46 [hdf-au] [nh370] Ted (Hea Gno Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1995 00:48 [hdf-au] [nh370] Ted (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 390 points, T:2092, killed by a bolt of fire 00:53 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:59 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:2818 (1:11:47) 01:00 [hdf-au] [nh370] Ted (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 195 points, T:1011, killed by a bolt of fire 01:17 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping an oblong amulet on an altar, on T:4016 (1:29:51) 01:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] OpticSugar (Arc Hum Mal Neu) destroyed a1's ghost, the former Bachelor, on T:4107 01:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] OpticSugar (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 6894 points, T:5658, killed by a giant bat 01:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] OpticSugar (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 0 points, T:40, killed by a water moccasin 01:46 [hdf-au] [nh370] Ted (Hea Gno Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2774 01:50 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Loggers' ghost, the former Initiate, on T:4656 (2:02:08) 01:53 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:54 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 02:12 [hdf-au] [dnh] leafG (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 481636 points, T:44959, quit 02:12 [hdf-us] [nh4] muck (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 44306 points, T:12023, killed by a plains centaur 02:13 [hdf-au] [nh370] Blight (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 308 points, T:2241, killed by a water demon 02:14 [hdf-au] [nh370] Ted (Hea Gno Mal Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3900 02:17 [hdf-au] [hackm] Blight (Nec Ith Mal Cha), 16 points, T:118, killed by a sewer rat 02:25 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) had 14 shuriken entrusted to her by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:5368 (2:37:44) 02:32 [hdf-us] [nh4] muck (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 30114 points, T:2873, killed by a dwarf 02:32 [hdf-au] [fh] Wigu (OmNyomNyom) (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 25227 points, T:1482, killed by a bolt of fire 02:33 [hdf-au] [evil] Blight (Ran Elf Fem Neu), 34 points, T:298, burned by molten lava 02:33 [hdf-au] [nh370] Ted (Hea Gno Mal Neu) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating an enormous meatball, on T:4683 02:48 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:04 -!- anselmus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] OpticSugar (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 5636 points, T:4313, killed by a magic missile 03:07 [hdf-au] [fh] Wiji (OmNyomNyom) (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 40024 points, T:3420, killed by a white unicorn 03:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] OpticSugar (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 257 points, T:1348, killed by a kobold 03:27 -!- a-1 has quit [Quit: Client closed] 03:31 [hdf-us] [slshm] wsx9000 (Mon Dop Fem Cha), 13775 points, T:4563, killed by a gray unicorn 03:36 -!- ChrisANG has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:45 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 03:52 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Gia Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3031 (0:36:33) 03:53 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Inf Elf Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:2187 (0:34:48) 03:55 [hdf-au] [nh370] Ted (Hea Gno Mal Neu) entered the Bigroom, on T:11039 03:56 [hdf-au] [xnh] Moult (Hea Gno Mal Neu) found Dragonbane in a shop, on T:5640 03:56 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Inf Elf Fem Una) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:2387 (0:38:11) 03:57 [hdf-us] [evil] willisllama (Inf Elf Fem Una), 2558 points, T:2389, killed by a bolt of lightning 03:58 is it worthwhile for healers to read spellbooks? are they any good at spellcasting apart from healing? 04:00 [hdf-au] [nh370] Ted (Hea Gno Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:11116 04:03 <@Earth Traveler> healers are great at spellcasting but they can only reliably cast up to lvl 3 spells from any school besides healing 04:11 Earth so it's worth it to be reading spellbooks? 04:50 If they're level 3 or below and not cursed, absolutely. 04:51 Be careful though. 04:51 Maybe also level 4 spellbooks, because those can be restore ability. 04:56 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Kni Hum Mal Law), 183331 points, T:42494, killed by a shambling horror, while praying 04:56 -!- taichi has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:56 [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Sam Dwa Fem Law), 166353 points, T:40919, suffocated by a gelatinous cube, while paralyzed by a monster 04:58 -!- theWeaver is now known as HeadBitch 05:09 the existence of HeadBitch implies that there's also a BodyBitch 05:09 actually these were titles my friend l and I came up with for our coven (or convent?), I'm the Head Bitch and she's the Baby Bitch 05:10 they're more like rank titles 05:11 Andrio thanks :) 05:12 i'm finding myself in a situation where going lower i'm finding myself out of depth (at dl6, xl 6), yes not much happening in the dungeon prior (no good armor, nothing interesting), is the solution generally to ca 05:13 to camp until i get better armor/enhance skills/level up? 05:16 camp = aimlessly go up and down a few levels 05:17 Monster difficulty is the average of depth and XL so this doesn't work. 05:17 Pinkbeast i guess the hope is that i find better armor / enhance prior to levelling up 05:17 e.g. i can enhance my dagger by stabbing and healing a monster 05:23 monster generation is also slower on earlier levels and death drops are rarer than normal item spawns, camping is generally a bad strategy 05:24 Have you been to the Gnomish Mines yet? 05:24 -!- bugsniper has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:27 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 05:28 I think I have found a false memory. I always thought that keystone kops could use rubber hoses to spray you with water. 05:28 but there is no code for that. 05:28 yeah they don't actually do this 05:28 i've tangled with them enough to know 05:29 they just hit you with the hoses and throw pies at you 05:29 but I "remember" this happening in old versions I played on the Amiga 05:30 huh 05:31 as I said, probably a false memory. I might have mixed up actual footage I saw of them with the game Keystone Kops 05:34 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:35 [hdf-au] [fh] Wipa (OmNyomNyom) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 34928 points, T:2449, killed by a water elemental of Thoth 05:42 -!- fakepass has joined #hardfought 05:46 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) had 15 shuriken entrusted to her by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:5782 (3:09:50) 05:48 [hdf-au] [fh] Wiuy (OmNyomNyom) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 26511 points, T:2009, killed by a rothe 05:52 Andrio yeah i've been to the gnomish mines. i just found a shop i missed and managed to get some armor so now i'm down to -4AC which is much bettr than the 6AC i was at before 05:52 but in a situation where there was no shop that i missed, i wonder what i would do? just very cautiously go down and be very careful to attack each monster? or is there another strategy 05:54 Have your escape items ready, yeah. 05:56 -4 is pretty good at that point. 05:57 <@hackemslashem> nabru: You can also test potions by pouring them down sinks, that's from xnh 05:58 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7339 (3:21:34) 06:01 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 06:14 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:9463 (3:37:27) 06:19 [hdf-au] [fh] Wilop (OmNyomNyom) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the wizard of Wiji, the former Conjurer, on T:3752 06:21 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 06:22 !PoM 06:22 APic: The moon is full for 3 more days. 06:22 \o 06:54 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 07:06 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Kni Hum Mal Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3101 (0:31:29) 07:17 hackemslashem: thanks 07:19 [hdf-au] [nh370] Ted (Hea Gno Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:17269 07:31 -!- crunchbubba has joined #hardfought 07:33 [hdf-us] [xnh] puncake (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 388 points, T:1903, killed by a kitten 07:34 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Kni Hum Mal Law) signified by divine providence, was chosen to carry Excalibur, on T:7238 (0:59:21) 07:35 @hackemslashem note that no one seems to actually DO that though 07:35 do what 07:35 pour potions down sinks to id them in xnh 07:36 [hdf-au] [nh370] Zega (Hea Gno Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1527 07:39 [hdf-au] [fh] Wilop (OmNyomNyom) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 50904 points, T:9742, killed by an energy vortex 07:45 [hdf-au] [nh370] Zega (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 362 points, T:2085, killed by a giant rat, while frozen by a floating eye's gaze 07:50 Ah, it's nice to have the option though 07:50 I'll probably consider it depending on circumstances, though I usually seem to be decent off enough in IDs 07:58 [hdf-au] [nh370] Zega (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 374 points, T:1479, killed by a straw golem 08:09 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed Croesus, on T:22773 08:09 [hdf-au] [nh370] Zega (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 335 points, T:1505, fell into a pit 08:10 [hdf-au] [nh370] Ted (Hea Gno Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:18429 08:11 [hdf-au] [nh370] Zega (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 135 points, T:493, killed by a falling rock 08:13 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 08:15 a- 08:15 forgot smoky was object detection this game 08:22 [hdf-au] [nh370] Zega (Hea Gno Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1325 08:28 [hdf-au] [fh] Wime (OmNyomNyom) (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 37164 points, T:3804, killed by a hill orc 08:30 [hdf-au] [nh370] Zega (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 270 points, T:1603, killed by a priestess of Athena, while paralyzed by a monster 08:34 [hdf-us] [slshm] markp (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 61601 points, T:17539, killed by a soldier ant 08:37 [hdf-au] [nh370] Zega (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 159 points, T:713, killed by a boulder 08:40 [hdf-au] [nh370] Ted (Hea Gno Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed eye of the aethiopica", got "a perforated amulet named the Eye of the Aethiopica", on T:19077 08:40 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:7738 (1:38:22) 08:49 [hdf-au] [nh370] Zega (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 862 points, T:989, killed by a coyote 08:50 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Kni Hum Mal Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping 8 silver shuriken on an altar, on T:8706 (1:48:39) 08:52 [hdf-au] [nh370] Zega (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 179 points, T:425, killed by a hobbit 08:52 [hdf-au] [nh370] Zega (Hea Gno Fem Neu) found Sunsword on the floor, on T:425 08:54 [hdf-au] [nh370] Zega (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 161 points, T:292, killed by an elven dagger 08:58 -!- floorcrawler has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:00 -!- elron has joined #hardfought 09:00 -!- floorcrawler has joined #hardfought 09:04 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Kni Hum Mal Law) destroyed nabru's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:9970 (2:02:16) 09:10 <@hackemslashem> aosdict: One can lead a horse to water... 09:11 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 09:12 one thing I've thought about is adding telemetry on features like that that writes out to some file, and then I can see if a thing is literally always unused or I just think it is 09:12 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 4726 points, T:4617, quit 09:12 but then if I do that qt and the gdpr police will come after me for illegal collecting of data on eu users 09:12 wtf xnh is STEALING AND SELLING my potion data to sell me potion targeted ads 09:12 "12 POTIONS OF BOOZE FOR ONLY 100 ZM!" 09:13 "Try our new potion of stoning! Guaranteed to make you rock hard!" 09:14 I actually considered doing this as well. 09:15 Something like Pikalytics. 09:15 But for Splatoon. 09:15 Gotta actually make the app work first though. 09:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the Master of Thieves, on T:40038 09:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Tou Hum Mal Neu) found the Platinum Yendorian Express Card carried by a monster, on T:40038 09:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Tou Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:40039 09:17 The dwarf swings his broad pick named Mattock of Reckoning. 09:20 [hdf-au] [nh370] Zega (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 394 points, T:2286, killed by a hobbit 09:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Sokoban bag of holding, on T:7381 09:21 wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of that 09:21 those are evil 09:21 early game dwarf oneshots :( 09:21 teleport maze lua algorithm is boring, I should try out hackem instead 09:22 I reckon those are scary. 09:22 is it the sort of thing where I can copy my evilhack rc 09:23 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 09:23 should be relatively easy to implement such a telemetry thing 09:23 wow wtf my tourist starts with 0:0 magic marker 09:24 wat 09:24 which variant 09:24 hackem but I see it in the wiki now 09:24 that's hardcoded 09:24 so by design 09:24 does that count for wished-for markers too? 09:25 i mean starting with a magic marker is kinda op tbf 09:25 -!- floorcrawler has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:25 does hackem retain evilhacks change of making mm never randomly generate? 09:25 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed Shelob, on T:27828 09:25 <@hackemslashem> heh 09:25 i think its an interesting way to handle that 09:25 <@hackemslashem> Demo: yes 09:25 <@hackemslashem> There should be a couple more markers sprinkled around the special levels though 09:25 well I found a double headed axe so I guess this tougnome is shooting for cleaver 09:26 [hdf-au] [nh370] Zega (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 281 points, T:523, killed by a goblin 09:26 <@hackemslashem> gnomes are really missing their vanish and tinker techniques 😦 09:26 no starting/scumming for a marker in evil, although they don't even exist randomly or soko 09:27 wished ones you can get 0:99 tho 09:27 it's definitely op tho if you start with enchant armor and a marker 09:27 I would suggest the nearlook command does something when you're standing on a bloodstained spot, currently it gives no feedback about what the red is 09:27 i found bloodstained water in hackem 09:27 looks like lava 09:28 not if you have SYMBOLS set for S_pool and S_moat probably 09:28 to something other than lava 09:28 <@hackemslashem> nearlook? ":"? 09:29 yeah 09:29 toelook cause its for looking down at your feet and making sure you still got all your digits 09:29 <@hackemslashem> There are some weird things with the blood descriptions. Still can't figure out why grass isn't ever described as bloody too 09:29 call it 'shoegaze' please 09:30 [hdf-eu] [nh370] nurdglaw (Rog Hum Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:4816 09:30 lol 09:31 <@hackemslashem> Sometimes I think there are drawing issues with the blood as well, like it doesn't immediately show up sometimes 09:31 [hdf-au] [nh370] Zega (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 137 points, T:346, killed by a grid bug 09:31 <@hackemslashem> But newsym is always called right after blood is added so I don't know why 09:31 the general idea of bloodstaining is super cool imo 09:31 feels really badass to splatter your surroundings with blood while beating an enemy to a pulp 09:31 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Kni Hum Mal Law) was given Rhongomyniad, on T:28219 09:32 great now I need to get a clone of hackem to start source diving messages 09:32 bugs on floor look healthier, I assume wand of healing but not certain 09:32 wand of healing or extra healing 09:32 <@hackemslashem> If you stand on a bloody tile it says you are covered in the dead monsters blood 😳 09:32 (thats why it doesnt auto-id) 09:33 <@hackemslashem> That is the top question for the FAQ lol 09:33 [hdf-eu] [hackm] mobileuser (Kni Cen Mal Cha) killed Ixoth, on T:31208 (21:35:26) 09:33 hackems wand id is smarter than other wand ids 09:33 <@hackemslashem> Maybe we should just make different messages. Peer group studies suggest user frustration 09:34 e.g. if you have wand of sleep IDed already and you get the stopping message, it will auto-ID as death 09:34 haven't seen that in other variants yet really 09:34 [hdf-eu] [hackm] mobileuser (Kni Cen Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:31219 (21:36:20) 09:34 Does UnNetHack do that? 09:34 unnethack does wand-id, but i think not as good 09:35 maybe it changed in the years i didn't really play ^_^" 09:35 yeah I don't think I know of any that take into account the other wand message idedness 09:35 stenno it was ported from unnethack 09:36 these shop prices are bonkers 09:36 stick (quarterstaff): 5 zm 09:36 POINTY stick (wooden stake): 50 zm 09:36 id like to see you sharpen a stick for only 45 zm 09:36 after the stick sharpeners unionized 09:36 bbl 09:36 > hackems wand id is smarter than other wand ids 09:36 bhaak's face: https://cdn.frankerfacez.com/emoticon/433552/4 09:37 when was that added to un? 09:37 I wanna say like 2 years ago 09:37 without knowledge of hackem, I thought fiqhack had the most comprehensive wand id 09:37 ok i can claim ignorance then 09:37 -!- floorcrawler has joined #hardfought 09:38 i played unnethack before that time 09:38 anyway bbl 09:38 lol it was 2013 apparently 09:38 crazy 09:38 rip 09:39 great I have an angry Lady and am a werejackal 09:39 f 09:39 who knew killing a chicken would have these consequences 09:39 amateurhour: auto-ID wands on engrave or the even smarter wand ID? 09:39 anyway gotta go wtf, stupid IRC 09:39 You're lucky it's not the Cucco Revenge Squad. 09:39 I GO NOW 09:39 the figuring out sleep/death thing 09:39 gogogo 09:40 [hdf-au] [nh370] Zega (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 223 points, T:1070, killed by a wand 09:40 Also doesn't a healing or extra healing wand auto-ID if you formally ID the other? 09:40 <@hackemslashem> yes 09:41 <@hackemslashem> I think Un did the "identify by process of elimination" for the vanilla wands. I just extended it for healing wands 09:41 <@hackemslashem> Un also did it for the vanishing wands I believe, which is really nice 09:41 1. turn into werejackal 2. drop everything 3. kick wall until I revert to gnomish form 4. put back on armor and weapon 5. immediately transform into jackal again 09:42 <@hackemslashem> ruh roh, lycanthropy problems 09:42 <@hackemslashem> Splice also auto id'd all/most of it's new wands so that was easy too 🙂 09:42 does hackem have lycanthrope? 09:43 [hdf-us] [slshm] markp (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 265 points, T:498, killed by a hobbit 09:43 ugh I regen too fast as a jackal to even kick the wall to death again 09:43 suffering from success 09:44 <@hackemslashem> The race? No 09:44 has any variant changed the hp regen? 09:44 I think I will just suicide this one because I don't see a pathway to getting the game back on track with the lady mad at me 09:44 aosdict killing a chicken: 09:44 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFlaL_EJuto&list=PLSMETuURtTXCzW7Q_ZIy4QzEnyUG8totf&index=28 09:44 -!- Umbire has quit [Killed (silver.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 09:44 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 09:45 <@hackemslashem> YANI: Kicking a chicken summons a flock of angry berserking chickens 09:46 [hdf-au] [fh] Wige (OmNyomNyom) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the wizard of Wime, the former Conjurer, on T:6544 09:46 [hdf-us] [hackm] aosdict (Tou Gno Fem Neu), 520 points, T:1799, killed by a telamon, while fainted from lack of food 09:46 good riddance 09:47 what's a telamon 09:47 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Kni Hum Mal Law), 17696 points, T:14251, killed by a hill orc 09:48 <@hackemslashem> @antigulp What is a telamon? 09:49 they're like statues of some greek dude 09:50 -!- nurdglaw has joined #hardfought 09:50 seeing a white q on level 3: AAAAAoh it's a pig 09:51 [hdf-eu] [nh370] nurdglaw (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 2633 points, T:5411, killed by a watch captain 09:51 -!- Umbire has quit [Killed (zirconium.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 09:51 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 09:51 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 858 points, T:2756, killed by an arrow 09:52 [hdf-au] [evil] dolores (Sam Hum Fem Law), 284 points, T:516, killed by a giant mimic 09:53 <@hackemslashem> Don't kick the pig 09:53 [hdf-us] [hackm] aosdict (Pri Gia Fem Law), 676 points, T:1217, killed by a volatile mushroom's explosion 09:53 shame on me for assuming it was a red mold 09:55 [hdf-au] [nh370] Zega (Hea Gno Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +2 silver dragon scale mail", got "a greased silver dragon scale mail", on T:1182 09:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] MoonPig (Tou Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Sokoban bag of holding, on T:7766 09:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] MoonPig (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 17016 points, T:7884, killed by a pit viper, while praying 09:58 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 520 points, T:1319, killed by an orc zombie 09:58 Welcome to experience level 2. You learn how to cast call undead! 09:59 I'm like a pokemon I guess 09:59 idea: you know these spells from the beginning but are incapable of casting them at a sufficiently low XL 10:01 @hackemslashem are the skill caps for the necromancer the same as in slashem 10:01 aka the same as what's on the wiki 10:02 <@hackemslashem> No, all the slashem roles have had a lot of tweaking in their skills 10:02 -!- taichi has joined #hardfought 10:02 <@hackemslashem> But you should be able to see their max skills in #enhance 10:03 ah cool 10:03 need an annual intervariant summit where we discuss important things like cross variant muscle memory and how to make necromancer not suck 10:05 does raise zombies only potentially tame the zombies that just got raised, or can I use it to tame other hostile zombies? 10:06 -!- floorcrawler has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:06 [hdf-us] [hackm] aosdict (Nec Hum Fem Cha), 585 points, T:765, killed by a gnome lord 10:06 crap 10:06 well that was fun enough to do it again 10:06 just raise yourself as a zombie 10:06 lol 10:08 you should get rezzed as a lich but permapolyd 10:08 <@hackemslashem> aosdict: only the zombies that were resurrected are able to be tamed 10:08 and you cant get cured until you talk to quest leader and then your one chance to res is blown and it cant happen again 10:09 <@hackemslashem> There are some changes pending that aren't on hardfought yet. Like now you can #chat with zombies kinda like convicts can chat with rats 10:10 Demo I predict such a summit would basically end with all variants porting necro but most of them would have sucky necros out of "balance concerns" :^) 10:11 i just wanna scare the 2015 devteam with such a concept of an intervariant summit :P 10:11 is that a monk joke? 10:11 [hdf-au] [nh370] Ted (Hea Gno Mal Neu) found Fire Brand on the floor, on T:22319 10:11 nyes 10:12 <@malor> 197 games of hackem. 200 games today! 10:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] MoonPig (Tou Hum Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2260 10:12 also bug lists 10:12 for intervariant bugs 10:13 i got some intervariant bugs rn that im just sitting on (they are disclosed, but the fact that they are intervariant isnt something ppl have dealt with) 10:13 !rng nethack lunch 10:13 nabru: nethack 10:13 !rng ndnh ludum-dare-52 10:13 Demo: ndnh 10:13 -!- floorcrawler has joined #hardfought 10:14 @hackemslashem chatting with zombies = a way to tame hostile zombies? there were a few of those closing in too 10:14 <@hackemslashem> Yea, but it's not on hardfought yet. Probably by Monday 10:14 hmm, i can actually see necromancer and undead slayer potentially being a lot better in an evilhack based variant where zombies r mean 10:14 forgot to think that far 10:14 <@hackemslashem> ^^ precisely! 10:15 dnh necromancer would kick ass though because of all the different kinds of derived undead and that ANYTHING can be a zombie/skeleton/vampiric derived undead 10:15 <@hackemslashem> https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Hack%27EM#Undead_Slayer 10:16 ok nice 10:16 why did you retain the movement speed reduction of undead slayer? 10:17 i wonder why slashem even did that for yeoman and undead slayer 10:20 <@hackemslashem> I don't know, maybe to make them harder? Now that we have tortle, I've been thinking of normalizing their speed. 10:20 <@malor> do undead slayers start out slow? 10:20 [hdf-us] [hackm] nabru (Bar Cen Fem Neu) destroyed zor's ghost, the former Heathen, on T:1166 (0:21:53) 10:20 not slow like the intrinsic, but 10 base speed instead of 12 10:20 <@malor> ah, yep, they are slow. I didn't read the whole thing right away 🙂 10:20 which is worse cause you cant cure it 10:21 <@hackemslashem> Not sure they should still get the speed intrinsic at level 7 though. But maybe sure, better to err on the side of MORE POWER 10:22 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 10:25 [hdf-us] [hackm] nabru (Bar Cen Fem Neu), 4206 points, T:1412, killed by a volatile mushroom's explosion 10:25 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] MoonPig (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 2951 points, T:4074, killed by a soldier ant 10:27 [hdf-eu] [hackm] amateurhour (Mon Cen Mal Cha) had Gauntlets of Defense bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:1971 (0:15:03) 10:27 -!- rebatela has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:28 ahour, hackem monk analysis, rate it on the monk spectrum of variants with monks. where does it land with slashem at the top and something at the bottom 10:28 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 918 points, T:2838, killed by a bolt of fire 10:29 I think vanilla's at the bottom, most variants that do anything with monks improve them 10:29 maybe nh4 because then it's a 3.4.3 monk without things like the later 1 hp damage fix 10:29 vanilla and most variants are at the bottom because most variants do jack 10:29 hey I fixed their quest levels >:( 10:30 isn't kaen's lair still turbobad 10:30 [hdf-au] [evil] dolores (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:3086 (0:32:54) 10:30 you did something instead of falling back on the good ole faithful nhplus original maps 10:30 I haven't done a full quest redesign on it (it might be next after valkyrie) 10:31 kaen's lair is a boring lava plain still, it wasn't awful enough to fix immediately 10:31 Evil's extra attacks and intrinsics aren't really jack 10:31 as long as each floor isn't essentially the Big Room with xorns and earth elementals 10:31 dnh overhauls it completely, THEM is a SLASH'EM variant 10:31 and the last floor that again but with kaen who might randomly wake up as well 10:31 then it'd be an improvement no matter what 10:32 here is the original map from nhplus, the variant that first added monk i think that slash stole it from https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/389212978030968832/1061306313453355018/MONK.DES 10:33 [hdf-au] [nh370] Ted (Hea Gno Mal Neu) was bestowed with Vorpal Blade by Hermes, on T:23316 10:34 wow someone doesn't care about wall directions whatsoever 10:34 [hdf-au] [nh370] Zega (Hea Gno Fem Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:5123 10:34 I wonder what the rogue locate level was before the slashem monk locate level was copied into it 10:35 im sure it was the other direction 10:36 dnh did a good take on the nhplus version of monk quest 10:36 [hdf-eu] [nh370] nurdglaw (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 1073 points, T:1865, killed by a bat 10:36 not sure where to put hackem monk in the tierlist yet it does struggle with AC so it's not gonna be S tier, and I've not gotten to the mid game yet 10:37 does it not get the slashem AC bonus? 10:37 it doesn't :((((( 10:37 it was taken from monk and given to ice mage :((((((( 10:37 its so hard for me to be critical of ice/flame mage changes because i have no clue what to do with them 10:38 hackem has some good thoughts with ice mage and flame mage 10:38 i am excited to see malor's variants solution for ice/flame mage though 10:38 oh yeah me too 10:38 which is the idea ive thought about where they just exist as racial wizards 10:38 and considered trying to implement in ndnh and then being like ahhh nahh no thanks 10:38 yeah though the idea of actually visiting a school to join it at the start is kinda sick 10:38 i forgot about that detail 10:39 all i remembered is "wow it is like what i wanted to do but with more ideas and the will to actually make it work" 10:39 I wonder if you can leave the starting area without picking a school and what that'd even mean 10:40 i like thematic based spell schools and for me that would be some sort of high/arcane/metamagic caster 10:41 [hdf-eu] [xnh] UmberConductor (Ran Hum Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:6909 10:42 I really want star magic/astronomer race/role combo as well 10:42 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Tou Hum Fem Neu) had a pair of high boots entrusted to her by The Lady, on T:3341 (0:14:04) 10:43 [hdf-au] [nh370] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:3593 10:43 <@malor> @hackemslashem the Priest first sac gift is "demonbane". Does that mean they can use it freely or do they still get the penalty from edged weapons? 10:43 [hdf-us] [hackm] aosdict (Nec Hum Fem Cha), 688 points, T:1260, killed by a deep gnome 10:43 you wanting to add sailor moon or something? 10:43 demonbane is a heavy mace malor 10:44 no i mean cool star magic/astronomer stuff not magic girl 10:44 haha phew 10:48 malor demonbane is a silver mace in evilhack, so I assume in hackem too? 10:49 I thought there was already a bunch of sailor moon stuff in dnh 10:49 -!- Semilg has joined #hardfought 10:49 oh amateurhour got there before me 10:49 I still want an artifact silver hammer named Maxwell's Silver Hammer 10:49 i might remove all of it from ndnh. there are like 2 or 3 artifacts and they were added near the start of dnh before it really started taking shape 10:49 [hdf-au] [nh370] Zega (Hea Gno Fem Neu) entered the Bigroom, on T:6724 10:50 crunchbubba: chaotic artifact? 10:50 "sounds right 10:50 BANG BANG 10:50 the bleach weapons are too strong right now to remove but I am still staunchly anti anime 10:50 <@malor> oh ok. The link from the wiki takes you to a "long sword" version of demonbane. Got it. Thanks. 10:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a silver dragon, on T:8379 10:50 Because it's a long sword in latest stable 10:51 It's actually changed to a mace in 3.7 10:51 wait theres no Disruptor in hackem? 10:51 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 10:51 how am i supposed to do a flat +30 dmg vs undead? :P 10:52 also does hackem use slashem rules for arti dice (flat dmg) or vanilla rules (die dmg)? 10:52 wow, petrified the minetown priest just the chickatrice corpse rotted away 10:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) destroyed WizzyTheWeird the human mummy, and former Thaumaturge, on T:8617 10:52 and barely survived getting lightning-bolted, forgot about that 10:53 getting back into Kos's good graces may take a while 10:53 it's vanilla rules Demo but most artis were tuned way up to do way better damage 10:53 crunchbubba: if you have some additional attributes for it besides being silver it'd be a YANI 10:53 who told me i should be comparing it to slashem and why would they say that 10:53 like where did i get the bad idea from that it had much to do with slashem? 10:54 it's in the spirit of slashem at least 10:54 bigger numbers = more epic 10:54 the spirit of slashem is systems with brokenly op stupidity in goofy edge cases 10:54 that exist because ???? 10:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] MoonPig (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 1042 points, T:2580, killed by a rabid rat 10:55 my guess without actually checking or thinking about it very hard is that best combos might be centaur knight and vampire flame mage 10:56 -!- potato44 has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 10:56 there's a lot of epic polearms and centaurs don't need to ride for them 10:56 wait what, vampire is enabled for flame mage??? 10:57 uh I have to check now but I think I saw hackem play that? 10:57 in slashem that was never the case, for obvious flavor reasons (if you wanted to play a vamp one, you had to do ice mage) 10:57 ah I remembered wrong, it was vampire ice mage hackemslashem was playing 10:57 damn 10:57 vampire flame mage would be epic 10:57 but also I can see the flavor reasons to not have it 10:58 but also thats from the same variant with fire vampires, so maybe not 10:58 ice mage is gonna be kinda ass in gehennom 10:58 because in evil and hackem gehennom has damage over time fire damage if not 100% fire res 10:58 is ice mage barred from 100% fire res? 10:58 yeah 10:58 is it capped at like 50? 10:58