00:00 Grasshopper: how's the progress going? 00:01 [hdf-au] [nh370] Moult (Ran Elf Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:43998 00:02 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 00:03 \o/ 00:03 still got to face those dragons, tackle the quest... use my wishes to FINALLY get ref/MR 00:04 You do have a gray dragon among the bunch. 00:04 also, i love "oFlying. means i can swoop down holes with cockatrice corpses without fear 00:04 1/3 chance of scales so build permitting 00:04 Umbire: yes but i don't feel it's worth the risk 00:04 Fair 00:04 and i'm thinking of getting SDSM+CoMR combo, leave amulet slot free 00:05 flying is really nice 00:05 life saving is necessary 00:05 fortunately, if you are playing the right game, you can have both 00:05 -!- ChrisANG has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:05 my previous game i got GDSM+amulet of ref, and longbow of diana but i forgot i took of my amulet and i wasn't wielding the bow so i got instakilled in gehennom after a very promising game 00:06 so i'd very much prefer SDSM and CoMR 00:06 which also allows me to use the amulet of flying :D 00:06 i am a lifesaving cultist 00:06 there are very strong opinions on this 00:06 Demo: the newest changes make lifesaving less powerful 00:06 by players much more skilled than me 00:06 honestly, that isn't surprising 00:07 just disappointing :P 00:07 Demo: why so? 00:07 as a life saving abuser 00:08 ehhh, the nerf isnt so bad 00:08 hp related deaths are like only half of what i wear an aols for 00:08 the other half is like haha you're dead now stuff 00:09 Demo: hah, like my black dragon problem 00:09 yes 00:09 that is why i wear an aols 00:09 it is an insurance policy against me being a dumbass and getting owned by shit like that cause i have my pants down, or stoning or sickness because i am not paying proper attention 00:10 i can understand why the more skilled more attentive players will shed it in vanilla 00:10 but when people new to variants wont use life saving, it frustrates me 00:10 theres always the potential of something they dont know about lurking around the corner waiting to instakill them 00:11 https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/commit/f83eaade321262b9272c65531a01074821f37ec9 <-- mm, monsters can zap tele at the hero? that sounds...dangerous? 00:11 [hdf-au] [un] Orcranger (Ran Orc Mal Cha) entered Minetown, on T:2470, rt[0:22:13] 00:12 https://github.com/k21971/NetHack37 this is the version actually on hdf 00:12 doesnt have that yet i think 00:12 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible tinklebear's ghost, the former Brute, on T:8307 00:12 Demo: good :) it might cause a big problem on the astral plane 00:13 [hdf-au] [un] Orcranger (Ran Orc Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:2581, rt[0:24:21] 00:14 if a monster were to zap a wand of tele at you on the astral plane it would try once, be like, damn, i cant, and stop trying, as i understand the vanilla commits based on what ive seen when reading them on the porcelain throne (where commits they deserve to be read from) 00:15 Demo: oh, does reflection block tele zaps? 00:15 no, astral is no tele for the player 00:16 so i think, as i remember commit msgs at least, a monster would try it, be like damn that shit didnt work, and stop trying 00:17 Zapping tele at you just... teles you 00:17 it ignores level tele restrictions? 00:17 Demo: oh right 00:17 if so, nice, ppl ought to abuse that for astral 00:17 if it respects them, which is what i would expect, then what i said 00:17 Not seeing any danger that isn't inherent in any other form of tele 00:18 all the priests have wands of tele 00:18 the moment you get near an altar... zap! 00:18 people would LOVE to be teleported on astral 00:18 Grand Tour Express 00:18 it would actually be beneficial to the player if they could do that 00:19 imagine weighing the value of being in each square in astral 00:19 that would actually be very interesting 00:21 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) had a stone helm of brilliance entrusted to her by Thoth, on T:8884 00:21 might be a good idea to carry spare tele wands and throw them at monsters when you get the wrong altar, if astral teleportation was allowed 00:22 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:22 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 00:24 yeah ppl would do that if that was allowed 00:24 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) destroyed arnibald's ghost, the former Heretic, on T:9298 00:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] OpticSugar (Bar Hum Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3370 00:25 cathartes, i think you are capable of weighing the value of each square on astral to the player, if you get bored you should do that :P 00:28 it's not even a relevant question right now since you can't teleport, and I have better things to do when I'm bored 00:28 go get the devteam to allow astral teleportation and maybe I will think about it 00:28 it is an interesting problem though 00:29 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest3122 00:29 like you could do a naive "how long is the shortest path from this square to an altar" approach but that doesnt account for rider start positioning and hallway congestion avoidance 00:29 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 00:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] OpticSugar (Bar Hum Mal Cha), 1716 points, T:3941, killed by a giant beetle 00:30 with the naive spf approach though, it would be very nice for someone to zap you with tele cause you start in a wayyyyy worse than avg square 00:31 I'm not even an optimal speedrunner, I'd probably just farm a lot of excess teleport wands and distribute them. Optimizing astral teleportation would be a question for optimal speedrunners. 00:31 its not even about the practice, it is just an interesting theoretical question 00:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] OpticSugar (Bar Hum Mal Cha), 102 points, T:295, fell into a pit 00:32 -!- Guest3122 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:36 i thought wands of tele worked on the astral plane, can't you teleport monsters out of your way on astral? 00:36 player zapping monsters with tele wands doesnt respect tele restrictions 00:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bleem (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed ring of levitation", got "an emerald ring", on T:17993 00:37 Demo: ah, but monsters zapping players does respect tele? 00:37 monsters teleporting on their own respects it. players teleporting on their own respects it. players being teleported by a monster (quantum mechanic) respects it. covetous warping monsters dont respect it 00:37 that is the question right now 00:37 monsters dont zap players with tele 00:37 until a few days ago :P 00:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] OpticSugar (Bar Hum Mal Cha) found Dragonbane in a shop, on T:1077 00:37 the functions it calls probably respect tele if i had to guess 00:38 and are probably not dissimilar to quantum mechanic trying to tele player 00:38 but i have not looked at the code at all 00:38 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:38 traps aren't valid teleport destinations, right? if you could teleport on astral, you could make traps on squares you don't want to go to (wand of digging, revgeno some spiders) and make in more likely that you go somewhere favorable 00:39 they are not valid destinations 00:39 you cant even tele control land on them 00:39 which sucks 00:40 i thought about the problem of weight square desirability on astral some more and realized i am no longer interested in it because it gets wayyyyyy too into the kind of thing nethack ai player replacement bots are worried about and i do not like that kind of thing much 00:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] OpticSugar (Bar Hum Mal Cha) murdered Idefix, his faithful little dog, on T:1668 00:47 [hdf-au] [nh370] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) became Thoth's Envoy of Balance, on T:35789 00:47 [hdf-au] [nh370] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) was bestowed with spellbook of finger of death, on T:35789 00:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bleem (Val Dwa Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:18561 00:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] OpticSugar (Bar Hum Mal Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:2615 00:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] OpticSugar (Bar Hum Mal Cha) was bestowed with Cleaver by Set, on T:2728 00:54 [hdf-us] [un] cookiebot (Kni Hum Mal Law) entered a shop, on T:1085, rt[0:32:32] 00:55 how are ai bots at playing nethack? do they win? 00:55 i saw some video about a facebook sponsored AI competition and the result was that they all failed 00:55 Someone has. 00:56 i never saw the result of the facebook shit 00:56 i just assumed they made it work because it was like the best and the brightest or whatever 00:56 bothack is pretty good but for 343 https://github.com/krajj7/BotHack 01:00 wearing an un-id's helm is risky, right? incase it's a HooA? 01:00 yea risky 01:01 yes, but if you can uncurse and don't have protection to lose it might not be that bad 01:03 [hdf-us] [un] cookiebot (Kni Hum Mal Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1320, rt[0:41:08] 01:03 cathartes: right, i've got 11 protection i'd rather not lose :) 01:04 not a single scroll of ID :( not sure if i should zap my wand of wishing un ID'd, as there's a chance of wresting it 01:06 slim chance 01:07 iirc 1/121 or somesuch, if wand has zero charges 01:07 [hdf-au] [nh370] Moult (Ran Elf Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:44624 01:07 magic marker is always a good wish Moult 01:08 Grasshopper: i plan to spend three wishes: charging, SDSM, CoMR :) 01:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bleem (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", got "a magic marker", on T:18758 01:08 a magic marker (+cursed blank scroll) can give you cursed genocide, then you can roll your own SDSM 01:09 -!- Chris__ANG has joined #hardfought 01:09 and still have charges left for identify, charging etc 01:10 you also might find GDSM more worthwhile 01:10 you can get ref from the amulet, or the shield, or you can use the Longbow Of Diana 01:10 Grasshopper: i think i'd prefer SDSM because i want the amulet slot free 01:11 but then you can't change your cloak 01:11 unf there are no chaotic artifacts that will give you MR 01:12 CoMR is OK but not great, only gives you MC1 01:12 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:12 vs MC2 from robe, elven cloak; or MC3 from cloak of protection 01:13 Grasshopper: right, so you'd recommend GDSM+CoP+longbow+amulet of ref? 01:14 if you use the amulet of ref, no need for longbow of Diana 01:14 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:14 Grasshopper: i'm not super keen on revgen dragons, still a chance nothing will come out of it which has happened before to me 01:14 TBH, longbow of Diana is a bit sucky, you'd be better off with en enchanted elven bow + elven arrows 01:15 Moult, sometimes you have to repeat the process 01:15 Grasshopper: my previous game i did a GDSM+"oR and i accidentally took off the amulet once and that killed me 01:15 don't take it off (except when safe) 01:15 Grasshopper: yeah, it was a button mashing mistake 01:15 which i'd like to avoid until i get better 01:16 despite what some will say, amulet of LS is not as great as you might think 01:16 often I have just died twice when wearing it 01:16 havign said that, in last game amulet of LS saved me (and I ascended) 01:16 Demo: ^ :D 01:17 I was wearing it by accident at the time, non-ID'd 01:17 so I got lucky 01:17 but I would have died many times over if not for amulet of reflection 01:19 Grasshopper: it sounds like your suggestion is better so long as i don't be stupid and remember to keep the reflection amulet on 01:19 but i really love the flying amulet :D 01:19 heh 01:20 i am also very good at being stupid 01:20 Try fireproof WW boots, will work too in most situations 01:21 [hdf-us] [dnh] johnnyteapot (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed Axus, on T:37844 01:22 hmmmmmm 01:22 * Moult is undecided 01:25 i'm not keen on revgen dragons, so if i go the gdsm/cop/"oR route that costs me three wishes, and i don't want to delay ref/MR 01:26 whereas sdsm/comr costs me 2 wishes 01:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bleem (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:19797 01:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bleem (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Warrior (level 14), on T:19929 01:44 wish for just GDSM + "oR, and wear whatever cloak you find (elven or even dwarven if you haven't found better yet) 01:50 Grasshopper: i'm thinking that if i use the "oR, then i have to use either levi ring (danger of shocking spheres, and messes up ranged attacks) or levi/water boots (sacrifice speed) 01:50 Grasshopper: whereas keeping amulet slot free lets me use "oFlying and be safer from stuff in gehennom 01:50 stuff being mostly trap doors which i don't like 01:51 Moult, I mostly just wear fireproof WW boots, at least for the relevant levels 01:51 my gut is telling me to ignore you, but listen to you when i get more experienced and play less stupidly or get more used to exploring late / end game 01:51 take one or two potions of speed 01:52 or cast haste, rangers can get basic skill in escape spells 01:52 hmm yeah this run i've completely ignored spellbooks except for one for a confusion source, my bad 01:52 do you know that you can spam haste self spells? 01:52 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:918 01:52 and each time just adds to the total time you are very fast 01:53 Grasshopper: i do, but i recall trying that as a wizard but it kept on timing out unless i had the eye 01:53 I sometimes do it 20 times in a row 01:53 so I can go a few thousand turns of haste self 01:53 easy as wiz, but works for ranger too 01:53 more Pw cost 01:53 Grasshopper: I had no idea actually until you mentioned it the other day, I think because if it doesn't produce the message "you speed up", I assume it does nothing. 01:54 "your legs get new energy" 01:54 Every time? 01:54 means the duration has been extended 01:54 Ah, nice. 01:54 so, I just leave the speed boots in my Boh these days 01:54 even leave them behind 01:55 at least as wiz anyway 01:55 Grasshopper: your strategies have logic, i'll definitely try them out in a future run, not this one though 01:55 if you also have jumping, you can do some tricks 01:55 like cross plane of fire faster than any other way 01:56 Grasshopper: I really want to watch you ascend a tortle monk. 01:56 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:56 Moult, yes it all takes some experience 01:57 tortle monk? 01:57 TMNT? 01:57 Grasshopper: No, tortles. 01:57 I did think of TMNT when I first heard about them though. 01:57 ok, I'll bite, which variant? 01:58 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Time_Zone 01:58 Grasshopper: Take a wild guess. 01:58 (Evil has changed a lot) 01:59 I need another life in which I can play all the cool variants around now 01:59 esp evil 01:59 k2 01:59 but right now, I need to do some spray painting 01:59 while the sun is out 01:59 Grasshopper: See if you can find a strategy that actually makes productive use of enshelling, I haven't quite figured that out yet. 01:59 and is not raining/humid 02:00 If I could enshell my own life, I could play NH while also spraypainting 02:01 Hmm, that would be the dream. 02:01 Enshelling's pretty good with the +40 AC boost. 02:02 But you're still surprisingly vulnerable. 02:02 It's a good choice if you want to play nudist, I guess. 02:09 what's enshelling? 02:09 Grasshopper: that's a great feature of nethack imo - that you can kinda multitask with it. it's good as a background story 02:10 at first I thought arahael was talking about making a shell on a computer, like to run a different virtual operating system 02:11 but then I realised he meant pulling your head/legs/tail inside a shell 02:11 Obviously. :) 02:11 the +40 AC boost was the tip 02:11 but yeah sounds cool but pretty useless 02:12 what do you do while enshelled? 02:12 Wait. 02:12 good if stunned or something 02:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bleem (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:21702 02:12 Yes, except being stunned seems to last a crazy long time, and you can continue to get stunned. 02:13 Unless that was a bug that is now fixed, but I suspect not. 02:13 You can also pray. 02:13 I think I'd probably enshell if I'm not sure prayer will work. 02:13 most of the time you are better off doing something active 02:13 Right. 02:13 It's a gimmick, I fear. 02:13 -!- Sgeo has joined #hardfought 02:14 But it's a very cool one! 02:14 look, if your bucket list includes ascending every race/role in evil 02:14 That's a leaky bucket. 02:15 it would be fun to try 02:15 I'm still trying to ascend even the once, in evil. 02:16 [hdf-au] [nh370] Moult (Ran Elf Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed greased +2 silver dragon scale mail", got "a greased silver dragon scale mail", on T:44940 02:16 Grasshopper: no offense :) 02:16 heh :) 02:17 Grasshopper: i'm too noob to be creative or careful yet :) 02:17 do you know, my last wiz ascended wearing green dragon mail? 02:17 I once ascended wearing red dragon mail. 02:17 they were the first scales I found 02:18 and I decided that the immunity to sickness was very cool 02:18 Jubilex was a laugh 02:18 and pestilence is impotent 02:18 Grasshopper: and what did you do for ref/mr then? 02:18 Grasshopper: I intend to get sickness resistance in this game. 02:18 I had Magicbane + PYEC, and kept a CoMR for emergencies 02:19 and amulet of ref 02:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bleem (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:22211 02:20 right. i get the impression that as you get more experienced it's less stressful to "create your own kit" :) 02:20 yes 02:20 roll-your-own style 02:20 [hdf-au] [nh370] Moult (Ran Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased fireproof +2 cloak of magic resistance", got "a greased ornamental cope", on T:44952 02:21 i polyed some ?oCharging to save me a wish, so i'll have 3 wishes left once i charge this up :) 02:21 cool 02:21 was hoping to poly a geno scroll but didn't get that :( 02:21 haven't come across a single geno scroll 02:21 might try my luck with the two potions of poly i've got 02:22 on the other hand, i've now got 8 enchant weapon scrolls, so once i get a massive arrow stack from the quest... 02:22 yes 02:22 I've milked over 1000 arrows as a ranger before 02:23 if you get a truly huge number of ?oEW scrolls 02:23 like >20 02:23 stormy is cool and all, but arrows feels more true to a ranger :) 02:23 you can try to uber-enchant them to +9 02:23 but that is experienced shit 02:23 Moult: What do you tend to geno? 02:23 Grasshopper: won't the arrows start vaporising 02:23 however, better idea is to enchant the 1000 arrows to +7 02:24 arahael: i hope to geno L and h 02:24 then polypile them 02:24 pluck out any elven arrows and a nice elven bow 02:24 and also any silver daggers 02:24 Moult: Nice, yeah they seem common choices in vanilla. 02:24 elf ranger + elven bow + elven arrows give multishot up to 5 per action 02:25 arahael: there was an arch lich in mines end thanks to a poly trap... my speed boots saved me 02:25 5 +7 arrows will pack a punch 02:25 i find arch lich's ability to summon crazy scary 02:25 Grasshopper: Btw, tip when/if you do evil again, be wary of your alignment record. 02:25 Grasshopper: yeah pity how longbow isn't an elven bow 02:25 arahael, ok... 02:26 Grasshopper: Unlike vanilla, that matters. 02:26 Moult, yeah the Longbow of Diana should automatically match ranger player's race 02:26 Grasshopper: that would be awesome 02:26 and be crossbow for gnomes 02:26 if gnomes could even be rangers...? 02:26 totally agreed - otherwise it's kinda lame you get a thing which you don't use 02:26 indeed they can 02:28 i've got a silver saber for use in gehennom :) might enchant it if i have extra ?oEW 02:29 [hdf-us] [dnh] johnnyteapot (And-Ana And Mal Neu) destroyed the Arsenal, on T:39466 02:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bleem (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:23000 02:34 <@hackemslashem> In Evil: Ranger – if playing as a gnome, their quest artifact becomes the Crossbow of Carl. Its properties mirror that of the Longbow of Diana, except that it is a crossbow instead of a bow. 02:35 Yeah, once you've tasted evil, and it gets a hold of you, you can't go back out. 02:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Pri Elf Fem Cha) destroyed maneatingcow's ghost, the former Fighter, on T:2409 02:37 i've been hearing a lot about evil :) 02:37 don't people play other variants like dnh or ndnh or nh4 or st and so on 02:38 -!- fakepass has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:38 [hdf-us] [dnh] johnnyteapot (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed Oona, on T:39690 02:38 Moult: We do. 02:39 <@hackemslashem> I'm building a variant based on evil, so I'm gaining an appreciation for lots of evil things 😉 02:40 I'd kind of like to do a variant myself, but I lack the time or energy. :( 02:41 <@hackemslashem> It is taking a while lol - my main goal is to port over most of slashem first. I'm probably 75% done with it, but am getting to the tougher stuff like mechanics 02:44 why not join the devteam on vanilla? 02:44 * Moult starts asking naive questions 02:44 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Cav Hum Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:6349 02:45 the github commits seem to only come from a few people, maybe they'd appreciate a larger team? 02:46 <@hackemslashem> I have been wanting a slashem that is modernized for a long time, and that fixes a lot of the problems it has 02:47 -!- cathartes has quit [Quit: fly away] 02:47 <@hackemslashem> But by porting over slashem, I have learned a TON about the codebase, so hopefully I'll be competent enough start contributing to evil/vanilla 03:00 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Cav Hum Mal Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a bone crude dagger on an altar, on T:7937 03:01 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:3321 03:03 I've been wanting to do a 'modern' nethack, at least codebase wise, but that's a fools errand. 03:04 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 11170 points, T:3355, killed by Lolth 03:04 Well, that was seriously unlucky. 03:05 killed by lol 03:05 what if eating a gray dragon corpse got you intrisinc MR, so then you could be more creative with your armor 03:06 same with silver dragons :) 03:06 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Cav Hum Mal Neu) had Keolewa bestowed upon him by Ishtar, on T:8646 03:06 Moult: I converted an altar, seriously angering the original god. So got an erinys, who then immediately gated in Lolth. 03:09 sorry it's just immaturity in me not being able to take a name like Lolth seriously 03:10 I didn't either, and look what that got me in the game. 03:12 YASI: Lolth should be shouting out really bad puns whenever he whacks you 03:12 or better yet, the pun causes damage 03:13 "Hi burdened, I'm Lolth!" <-- " Your movements are slowed slightly because of your load." 03:15 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Cav Hum Mal Neu) had a chain mail entrusted to him by Ishtar, on T:8958 03:18 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Val Hum Fem Neu) had a scimitar entrusted to her by Odin, on T:19336 03:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] xtof54 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (master liches), on T:6491 03:34 nice. wand of death 03:35 a statue of a wizard named Grasshopper embedded in a wall <-- i've left you in there Grasshopper didn't feel right pickaxing you 03:37 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Ran Hob Mal Neu), 562 points, T:1075, killed by a giant mosquito 03:44 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1340 03:49 orion's camp is annoying, is there a way to chop down a tree or something 03:52 oh, i need an axe 03:52 a pick-axe isn't an axe :( 03:54 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:56 Hmm, I never know what to wish for with early game throne wishes. 03:58 Moult, is OK I usually destroy any statues of myself I might find 03:59 arahael: DSM? 03:59 I'm a monk. 03:59 arahael: CoMR? 03:59 I haven't done Soko yet, and will probably find one. 04:00 arahael: speed boots saved me many times this game 04:00 I might just do the good old enchanted tshirt. Hmm, yeah, speed boots also a good pick. 04:00 but i'm probably not the one to give advice :D 04:00 or magic marker for later? 04:01 Magic marker is also anotehr good one, I could write up scrolls of ID as required. 04:02 Given what Grasshopper has been talking about, I'm tempted to try going for waterwalking boots instead. 04:03 I don't have 'haste self' yet though, but one typically finds that eventually. 04:04 you can always slum it in speed boots until you find haste self 04:05 There's a lot more water and lava in evil, oh, but I could also get an amulet of flying or just ride a flying steed. 04:06 I find it "refreshing" when I get to those water/lava levels and I don't have to worry about my footwear 04:06 Well, there's a big risk the boots get stolen off you anyway. 04:06 I think I'm going for speed. 04:07 yeah, options are good 04:07 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +3 dragonhide boots of speed", on T:1350 04:07 Buckled boots in this game. 04:07 And I got the +3, woo! 04:07 \o/ 04:07 That'll be a great boost, I'm now AC:-8, which is fantastic at this point in the game. 04:08 getting "very fast" is a great boost too 04:09 Unfortunately, monsters still have their speed turns. 04:09 what shits me about that 04:10 is watching them wait until the get their speed turns 04:10 then they jump out AND attack you 04:11 well, Im ok they need their advantages I guess 04:11 Grasshopper: I lost some very good games for that. :( 04:11 yeah like zapping you with a nasty wand 04:11 I had to heal, so waited a bit, and then a gnoll or something came out with a wand of fire, that reflected from the wall behind me and so hit me TWICE. 04:11 All in the one turn. 04:12 I had a 19 streak ended by a gnome with a wand of sleep 04:12 soko zoo 04:12 zapped wand past about five monsters to get me 04:13 * Moult slums it in speed boots :D 04:13 and I just... slept... and slept... never woke up getting hit constantly until dead 04:13 shit happens 04:15 anyways, time to see how my painting went 04:18 Grasshopper: is your painting a hobby or do you work as an artist? 04:18 Grasshopper: would be nice to see some of your paints 04:22 The black dragon knocks you back with a forceful blow! You bump into an elf-lord. The elf-lord gets angry! 04:22 angry at me? t'was the dragon! 04:26 [hdf-au] [nh370] Moult (Ran Elf Mal Cha) killed Croesus, on T:47058 04:26 \o/ 04:28 !PoM 04:28 APic: The moon is full for 1 more day. 04:30 [hdf-au] [nh370] Moult (Ran Elf Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (arch-liches), on T:47128 04:34 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 04:41 Moult: That happens to me all the time, I hit monsters, and they bump into the freaking priest. 04:47 Moult, maybe when it is all done 04:53 -!- bugsniper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:56 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Ran Hob Mal Neu), 1286 points, T:2870, killed by a couatl of Mercury 04:58 I never realy know how to best deal with arch liches without geno'ing them. 05:03 stand on stairs and kill them fast 05:04 if you are on the middle of a level and havent mapped it hit them once to make them teleport and see where they go then wait for it to reappear next to you then teleport to the stairs (where it was) 05:04 or if you are on stairs downgo down with it next to you so you stand on the stairs up 05:05 if you are on the middle of a level and have no TC you might want to smash it with paralysis (if you have =oFA) 05:07 imo arch liches are not that bad once you have genocided master mind flayers 05:09 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Kni Elf Mal Cha), 264 points, T:719, killed by a mountain dwarf 05:14 -!- Chris_ANG has joined #hardfought 05:16 cbus: can't they summon other nasties? 05:16 just looted ludios and donated all the gold, got one more protection, which is nice. 05:17 -!- Chris__ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:25 moult, they can but mmfs are the nasty ones imo 05:25 the rest can be delt with 05:26 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Pri Ith Mal Cha), 1597 points, T:1351, killed by a piranha 05:30 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:34 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Pri Elf Mal Neu), 400 points, T:972, killed by a gnome lord 05:38 nice. jaguar dropped a magic marker. good jaguar! 05:45 Grasshopper: games going well i see! 250hp and -32ac! 05:46 Grasshopper: have you done the castle yet? 05:51 Moult, just about to 05:51 Grasshopper: is that 250hp just from potions? 05:52 yep 05:52 Grasshopper: and just extra healing potions as you recommended? 05:53 mostly xhealing 05:53 a few FH as well 05:53 Grasshopper: on my screen it looks ast hough all the monsters are highlighted as though they're tame 05:54 Grasshopper: how are you able to see all the monsters without telepathy? 05:54 monster detection 05:54 at skilled level, it persists for a while 05:54 Grasshopper: are they tame or is it just a rendering issue? 05:54 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Pri Elf Mal Neu), 1245 points, T:3424, killed by a couatl of Blind Io 05:54 better than telepathy 05:54 they are not tame 05:55 well, fell into a pit 05:55 Grasshopper: why did you dig your way down to the castle? why not explore? 05:55 good thing I wasn't wielding the c corpse yet 05:56 !whereis Grasshopper 05:56 arahael: [hdf-au] Grasshopper [nh370]: (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) T:37097 The Dungeons of Doom level: 28 05:56 [hdf-au] [dnh] leafG (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2985 05:57 Moult, because I have the rubber chicken, I want to put it into use 05:57 Grasshopper: Dangerious, standing on that tile. 05:59 Grasshopper: right, wouldn't it have been a good idea to find the upstair first incase it gets nasty 06:00 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Pri Elf Mal Neu), 157 points, T:1066, killed by a dart 06:01 Moult: The main danger he has on this level is mostly instadeaths, he's taken care of that with the strategy he took with the moat. 06:02 arahael: right. when i attempted it i cast striking at the door, is that also sufficient? 06:02 not to mention first killing the eels with range 06:02 Moult: As long as you stand far away, yes. Quite far away. 06:03 arahael: cool 06:03 Grasshopper: the sleep rays are to block the flow through the door? 06:04 [hdf-au] [dnh] leafG (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) was given Magicbane, on T:6057 06:04 Grasshopper: can you take a screenshot? i'm curious what it looks like on your screen because on mine your map looks a bit weird 06:05 https://imgur.com/a/miBr78J 06:05 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 06:06 Grasshopper: pick up the wand od eath? 06:07 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Pri Elf Mal Neu), 466 points, T:859, killed by a mountain dwarf 06:12 Moult, I alrady have 2 06:15 Grasshopper: where on earth do you get all this stuff 06:15 Grasshopper: i've been picking up every single scroll and potion, and also polymorphing stuff and alchemising but i get nowhere near the number of extra healing potions you've got to boost your hp that high 06:15 nor luxuries like multiple wands of death 06:20 [hdf-au] [nh370] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:37710 06:21 and you've got multiple markers 06:22 hehehe 06:22 !lotg Moult 06:22 May the Luck of the Grasshopper be with you always, Moult! 06:26 * Moult peers suspiciously at Grasshopper 06:28 [hdf-au] [nh370] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) genocided mind flayers, on T:37876 06:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] MoonPig (Kni Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2175 06:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] MoonPig (Kni Hum Fem Law) destroyed Gilette's ghost, the former Digger, on T:2225 06:37 [hdf-eu] [un] elenmirie (Con Orc Fem Cha) entered the Blackmarket, on T:19813, rt[6:04:03] 06:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] MoonPig (Kni Hum Fem Law) signified by divine providence, was chosen to carry Excalibur, on T:3439 06:45 Grasshopper: i've collected about 250 arrows. do you think that's a good amount to start enchanting, or do you reckon i should get a bigger stack? note i haven't yet done the ranger quest but i have collected all the arrows from the first quest level 06:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] MoonPig (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3619 06:47 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 06:49 -!- Semilg has joined #hardfought 06:54 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 07:00 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 07:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] MoonPig (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired the Sokoban bag of holding, on T:5032 07:10 Grasshopper: i don't understand, why are you identifying all of that? isn't it just junk? 07:11 Grasshopper: by this point haven't you already got your desired armor and weapon? 07:12 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 07:12 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 07:14 Moult once you have decent luck and your arrows are blessed and enchanted, the chance of them breaking are very slim 07:15 Up to you to decide if 250 as-good-as unbreakable arrows are enough ;-) 07:23 Moult, I will polypile the better stuff later 07:23 and some will likely go to pets 07:24 I am fond of titan pets 07:24 last game I ascended with a lv30 Balrog 07:27 mobileuser: i think 250 arrows sounds like a good number 07:27 :) 07:27 Grasshopper: ah ok, you seem to be playing tricks ;) 07:30 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the Sokoban bag of holding, on T:12874 07:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] MoonPig (Kni Hum Fem Law) was bestowed with Sunsword by Lugh, on T:5554 07:36 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 07:42 Moult, i AM guilty of wasting time... 07:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] MoonPig (Kni Hum Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a hill orc, on T:6122 07:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] SrinivasSamJespe (Tou Hum Fem Neu) was bestowed with Magicbane by The Lady, on T:3347 07:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] SrinivasSamJespe (Tou Hum Fem Neu) was bestowed with Cleaver by The Lady, on T:3796 07:57 Grasshopper: you've got a significantly lower turn count than me and much higher stats all around 07:57 that's not called wasting time 08:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] SrinivasSamJespe (Tou Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:5315 08:06 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:06 [hdf-au] [un] Orcranger (Ran Orc Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:8476, rt[1:23:26] 08:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] n00b (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 344101 points, T:33160, quit 08:06 XL13, not yet done quest, but done castle. cleared the first quest entrance. tips on what to do next? got 3 wishes left and one marker, considering wishing for 2 blessed geno to get rid of L and h. pretty happy with +6 stormy and i'm planning to enchant arrows, AC-30. would love to somehow get my hands on more healing potions somehow (180hp) 08:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] moulin (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 347361 points, T:31207, quit 08:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] SrinivasSamJespe (Tou Hum Fem Neu) became literate by reading a book, on T:5525 08:07 nurse dance for hp, revgeno wraiths to get levels for quest maybe 08:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] xtof54 (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 13110 points, T:9672, killed by a soldier ant 08:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] SrinivasSamJespe (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 1792 points, T:5830, killed by a giant bat, while fainted from lack of food 08:10 amateurhour: good idea, so if i wish for 2 blessed geno and L and h, i've got 1 cursed scroll i can write geno on and get nurses. i can do it in a locked room in soko maybe? 08:10 amateurhour: how safe is nurse dancing in a locked room in soko? 08:11 moult, do nurse dancing in the castle wand rooms 08:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] MoonPig (Kni Hum Fem Law), 23841 points, T:6841, killed by a plains centaur 08:14 Grasshopper: what's special about those 4 rooms? no tele which is good? 08:14 no tele, and no dig, and they are just the right size 08:15 the only room in soko you could use is the zoo room, and it is too big 08:15 Grasshopper: i've got a cursed key i can use the lock the door with 08:16 it is too big 08:17 Grasshopper: ok, so stand in the center of one of the wand rooms, locked door. there are 10 spaces inside, so maybe 5-7 will be filled, and i just wait there until they all disappear one by one? 08:17 Grasshopper: its' not necessary to be _the_ wand room with the Elbereth and chest, yes? 08:17 any of them will do 08:22 Grasshopper: ok :) i'll try it out, would be teh first time i've done nurse dancing :D 08:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Bar Orc Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:43041 08:26 [hdf-au] [nh370] Moult (Ran Elf Mal Cha) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of genocide", got "a scroll labeled KIRJE", on T:48013 08:27 :( only one 08:28 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 08:29 [hdf-au] [nh370] Moult (Ran Elf Mal Cha) genocided class L, on T:48088 08:33 is there any tactical difference to using "x" to switch to an alternate weapon, or just pressing "w" and that other weapon? or just a convenience thing? 08:36 [hdf-us] [dnh] zor (Bar Hum Fem Neu), 251107 points, T:15653, killed by an Alabaster elf, while fainted from lack of food 08:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:43215 08:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Bar Orc Mal Cha) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:43217 08:37 Moult, I rarely bother with nurse dancing myself 08:40 Grasshopper: naturally, it seems you've managed to get a ton of health potions :) 08:41 Grasshopper: is it dangerous? 08:43 Not dangerous. Just boring 08:46 [hdf-au] [nh370] Moult (Ran Elf Mal Cha) genocided class h, on T:48198 08:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] moulin (Rog Orc Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2918 08:47 is a cursed key going to get stuck to my hand if i try to apply it to lock a door? 08:50 no 08:51 it can break though 08:51 [hdf-us] [xnh] omnisnow (Pri Hum Mal Law), 35 points, T:76, killed by a newt 08:52 moult: only cursed weapons weld to your hand. this lets you wield cursed stuff and uncurse it with an unblessed-not-cursed scroll of remove curse 08:53 hothraxxa: i vaguely remember a lamp welding to the hand but i don't remember which variant that was. 08:54 must be some variant i don't play 08:56 i think the only non-weapon that can weld to your hand while cursed is tin opener 08:56 tin openers are really strange 08:56 its not a weapon-tool 08:56 hi stenno not seen you much lately 08:56 its just special-cased everywhere 08:56 hey hothraxxa ! 08:56 hope you are doing fine 08:57 i almost never wild tin openers so i wouldn't have noticed that one 08:57 hothraxxa: thanks ;) i'll be sure to try and bless it 08:57 wield. yes, doing fine thanks. and you? 08:57 can't complain that much apart from the heat 08:57 so, all reasonably fine i'd say 09:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (2nd time), on T:44269 09:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Arc Dwa Mal Law) was bestowed with Ogresmasher by Quetzalcoatl, on T:4196 09:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (3rd time), on T:44349 09:06 [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Dra Elf Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:2459 09:06 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Brd Inc Mal Cha) entered the adventure town for the first time, on T:2731 09:06 tin openers are tools that have hardcoded weapon-like behavior but are not weapon-tools 09:07 they should just be weapon-tools 09:07 [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Dra Elf Fem Cha), 828 points, T:2599, killed by a black bear 09:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Arc Dwa Mal Law) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:4218 09:10 183 up to 212hp due to nurse dancing :) 29 hp gain! that was less scary/risky than i thought it'd be 09:10 there are diminishing returns for nurse dancing 09:10 i don't think it makes much sense after you got 150+ maxhp 09:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5th time), on T:44971 09:11 full healing alchemy is much more efficient in the later game 09:11 stenno: oh ok. it's my first time trying it. i've been watching some games by Grasshopper and watching him waltz around with 500 hp and wondering how he doe sit 09:11 stenno: full healing is milky potion in my game :( 09:12 also i've collected every single potion i've found in the entire game so far, alchemised, blessed, and only got up to 150hp 09:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Automobile (Val Hum Fem Law), 1012 points, T:3139, quit 09:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] moulin (Rog Orc Mal Cha) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:6241 09:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Bar Orc Mal Cha) entered the Elemental Planes, on T:45081 09:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Bar Orc Mal Cha) entered Plane of Earth, on T:45081 09:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Bar Orc Mal Cha) entered Plane of Air, on T:45146 09:34 well. a nice (now deceased) dwarf king just left me his 0:3 wand of wishing 09:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Bar Orc Mal Cha) entered Plane of Fire, on T:45194 09:36 hothraxxa: how generous of him :) 09:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Bar Orc Mal Cha) entered Plane of Water, on T:45228 09:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Bar Orc Mal Cha) genocided class ;, on T:45230 09:38 yes. glad that i found him before fuddster 09:38 fuddster is a black dragon and he tends to disintegrate everything 09:40 [hdf-eu] [nh343] kuba (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 652 points, T:1894, killed by a small mimic 09:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Bar Orc Mal Cha) entered the Astral Plane, on T:45311 09:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Bar Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed partly eaten +2 chickatrice corpse", got "a partly eaten chickatrice corpse", on T:45317 09:41 hothraxxa: which variant? wiki is comingm up empty for "fuddster" 09:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Bar Orc Mal Cha) found Giantslayer carried by a monster, on T:45317 09:42 acehack. fuddster is the name of my pet 09:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] moulin (Rog Orc Mal Law) has been given Excalibur, and now enjoys supreme executive power, on T:6904 09:43 ah, the moulin rogue 09:44 hang on... Rog Orc Mal *Law*!!! 09:44 dipping for excal! 09:44 love it 09:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1329 points, T:686, killed by an Uruk-hai called Haia-z of Uhaiubane 09:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed Pestilence, on T:45338 09:48 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 09:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed Pestilence (2nd time), on T:45350 09:51 if only rogues were good with long swords 09:51 if only weapon skills mattered much beyond early game :P 09:51 grasshopper: it's spelled rouge 09:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed Pestilence (3rd time), on T:45377 09:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Bar Orc Mal Cha) found Sting carried by a monster, on T:45402 09:54 oh no, they get skilled with it 09:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed Famine, on T:45406 09:55 rogues get skilled with longsword? 09:55 hothraxxa, yes it is 09:55 I think that's what the wiki says so idk if it is true 09:55 and yet we have a moulin rogue here 09:55 tits what the wiki says indeewd 09:55 [hdf-us] [dnh] slapdashtrout (Elf-Ran Elf Mal Cha) averted death by becoming a death knight, on T:70664 09:55 its* 09:55 but the difference between skilled and expert is like +1 tohit and +1 dmg 09:55 i prefer tits stenno 09:55 idk, in vanilla it is a bigger deal 09:56 stenno, I like tits better 09:56 in general i also prefer tits to longswords 09:56 hothraxxa and I are of like minds on this 09:56 while you were out titting, i studied the long sword 09:57 tittering, I thnk 09:57 Yeah Rogues have always been solid with long swords. 09:57 'always been solid'? 09:58 why would you use long swords as a rogue 09:58 Brands 09:58 if they are Excalibur then maybe 09:58 demonbane 09:58 trouble is, there are no artifact short swords in vanilla 09:58 giantslayer 09:59 giantslayer? who uses giantslayer? 09:59 people who hate giants 09:59 ^ 09:59 and only giants 09:59 i think the aforementioned long swords were a trolling 09:59 But yeah, beyond that. 09:59 yeah 09:59 I could see a rogue with on-hand fire or frost and offhand katana 09:59 I thought it was because moulin's rogue dipped for Excalibur 09:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 2170740 points, T:45410, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rancat/nethack/dumplog/1659369236.nh.html 09:59 so 'always been solid with shitty weapons' 09:59 well demonbane can be useful, esp in variants that prevent gating 09:59 GG. 10:00 a katana isn't a shitty weapon 10:00 and is probably the best offhand possible for them outside of hell? 10:00 trident 10:00 hmm o wait that doesn't work anymore 10:00 *silver* trident ftw 10:00 what? 10:00 trident is 1d6+1 and 3d4 10:00 katana's just 1d10/1d12 10:01 better vs. small, lower floor vs. large 10:01 but why doesn't it work anymore? 10:01 Rogues also can't take skill in trident 10:01 because it uses flail skill i think 10:01 wait huh 10:01 they got rid of trident skill? 10:01 oh they have their own skill lol 10:02 for rogue, best two-weapon is a shortsword 10:02 stenno pls 10:02 cos rogues can get exper in both shortsword and two weaponing 10:02 ^ 10:02 silver saber is best 10:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] moulin (Rog Orc Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:7576 10:02 saber is also skilled for rogues 10:03 yeah 10:03 dunno why you wwould use short sword over saber 10:03 vanilla needs an artifact shortsword 10:03 grasshopper, skill doesn't do much for dmg 10:03 and elven short sword has the same damage die 10:03 but saber has silver damage 10:03 then you would wield that with another shortsword 10:03 like, Skilled is usually Enough™ 10:03 a katana would do the most dmg offhand outside of silver saber for demon searing for rogues 10:03 [hdf-us] [dnh] slapdashtrout (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 2240522 points, T:70767, quit 10:04 ye 10:04 assuming two wep and long sword skills both advanced to the max 10:04 so expert/skilled 10:04 just skilled 10:04 going to expert in two weaponing is a waste 10:04 unless you do it with short swords... 10:05 so little point 10:05 twoweaponing was so simple until they changed how it worked 10:05 oh I have no idea how it works in 37 10:05 now you actually have to think about it 10:05 annoying 10:05 I'm taling 343 lol 10:05 you could go with crysknives for fun 10:06 3.4.3 is totally different 10:06 3.4.3 should always be silver saber as offhand i think 10:06 Oh yeah crysknives > short swords 10:06 1d10 vs. both 10:06 yeah 10:06 and really light 10:06 pita 10:06 whats ur silver saber gonna do when its not searing demons other than have smaller dice than a katana or trident,, skill dependent 10:07 I mean 1d8 base is... fine 10:07 offhand hits automatically if main hits 10:07 it can Do The Job™ 10:07 also you are not going to twoweapon much in the early game anywayw 10:07 two-weapon silver daggers 10:07 gehennom is the relevant part 10:07 yeah you usually commit to that in like, mid or late 10:07 and planes 10:07 which, yeah, you're gonna be demon-fighting at that point 10:07 I think you'd have to change weapons to suit circumstances 10:08 you could golf bag it 10:08 sure you could powergame twoweaponing but its not really worth it imo 10:08 >adapting to situations as they develop 10:08 get a load of this guy 10:08 a small stack of silver daggers (to throw) would be deadly for a rogue in Gehennom 10:08 bein all practical and shit 10:08 i hate throwing daggers 10:08 no its totally not worth it at all 10:08 monsters throw back 10:08 shit you don't even need to two wep usually 10:08 more than anything it's the issue of retrieving projectiles + good luck assembling a stack to begin with 10:09 without wishing 10:09 and if you want to actually powergame, play a wizard lol 10:09 pickup_thrown 10:09 or polypiling 10:09 silver saber you just straight up don't have that tedium 10:09 if you play rogue you have to go with throwing daggers 10:09 nah 10:09 grays + silver saber 10:09 no throwing needed 10:09 just kill all the things 10:10 pffft 10:10 you really don't is the thing 10:10 it's a powerful option but not a required one 10:10 also if you want to powergame, don't play vanilla lol 10:10 rogues are easy, all you need is a stack of daggers 10:11 rogues have access to other projectiles at high skill 10:11 throwing daggers is fine in early-to-mid 10:11 but they get multishot bonus for daggers 10:11 but i wouldn't really waste enchant weapon on it i think 10:11 crossbows can be poisoned but need a launcher, darts are much lighter 10:11 etc. etc. 10:11 maybe one or two as a utility to survive earlygame 10:12 stenno, your rogue approach is completely different to mine then 10:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] Automobile (Val Hum Fem Law), 1229 points, T:3518, killed by a dog 10:13 I coulda told you that 10:14 just not a friend of supplying monsters with stacks of highly enchanted daggers they throw back at you 10:15 monsters throwing daggers back... I just say thanks, and throw it again 10:16 unless the dagger is stuck in your brain 10:16 and once you spend 1-3 enchant weapon scrolls on you little stack, those monsters will be dead 10:16 i just cant be fucked to collect them 10:16 damage from monsters throwing your daggers back is never a big deal 10:16 or worry about if i have enough on me 10:17 yeah ive never had problems with that either 10:17 worst is when you charge up the them and let them eat your brains 10:17 you can throw them faster than they can usually 10:17 i dont like how heavy daggers are 10:17 exactly 10:17 I liuke keeping monsters at a distance 10:17 they usually can't hit you then 10:18 but yeah, you can play a rogue like you would a valk I guess 10:18 or just play a valk 10:18 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 10:18 twoweaponing grays+ss as rogue is the ultimate power trip 10:19 a rogue with a scaring tool is a scary thing 10:19 yeah tooled horn 10:19 stenno, you can do all that AND throw daggers 10:19 actually does twoweaponing allow backstabbing? 10:19 bo 10:19 no 10:19 they did nerf backstabbing in vanilla iirc 10:19 and no it never worked with two-weapon 10:20 they made it not work on projectiles anymore 10:20 yeah you can't throw 5 daggers into something's back any more 10:21 somewhat unrelated, i thought about an elf lord pet 10:21 they get like 5x or 6x multishot with elven bow+arrows lol 10:21 -> elven king 10:21 Two-weaponing vs. backstabbing was the decision every rogue had to make before then 10:21 yeah the best of those 10:21 i think its actually 7x 10:21 yeah but managing projectiles for a pet would be a true nightmare 10:21 some insane number 10:21 Yeah their multishot with that is fucking absurd 10:22 it's annoying as hell for me because it eats up so much message space 10:22 not sure if they actually pick up arrows 10:22 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Brd Inc Mal Cha) destroyed the Lokoban Pinata, on T:6788 10:22 even if most of them don't hit me 10:22 Oh no, they won't of their own volition 10:22 only by accident 10:22 or like, it's not any different from any other item 10:22 pet AI advanced enough to do its own projectile cleanup tho 10:22 imagine 10:23 its really not complex 10:23 just pick up the arrows 10:23 pickup_thrown 10:23 if you have a respective launcher, pick up projectiles 10:24 we're talking about pets Grasshopper 10:24 Umbire, yes i get that 10:24 same mechanic I mean 10:49 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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The dwarf vanishes! 13:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Tou Hum Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a hill orc corpse named Aihaiog-un of Uhaiubane on an altar, on T:7687 13:59 [hdf-us] [dnh] slapdashtrout (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:4268 14:05 [hdf-us] [xnh] whatever (Ran Gno Fem Neu), 2033 points, T:2164, killed by a rabid rat 14:07 [hdf-us] [dnh] slapdashtrout (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 1576 points, T:4938, quit 14:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Tou Hum Fem Neu) was bestowed with Magicbane by The Lady, on T:8394 14:09 [hdf-us] [slth] skwrl (Wiz Dro Mal Cha), 8513 points, T:3060, killed by a wolf 14:13 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha), 239 points, T:1402, killed by a hobbit 14:23 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha), 846 points, T:2277, killed by Ms. Sipaliwini; the shopkeeper 14:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] N8FH5e (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 17 points, T:72, choked on a food ration 14:25 [hdf-us] [xnh] kimosabe (Sam Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1956 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(www.adiirc.com)] 15:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] xtof54 (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1148 15:37 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:20228 15:38 [hdf-us] [xnh] kimosabe (Sam Hum Mal Law) destroyed the invisible omnisnow's ghost, the former Aspirant, on T:10164 15:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] kscheirer (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a werejackal, on T:7010 15:42 [hdf-us] [xnh] whatever (Mon Hum Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:4123 15:42 [hdf-us] [xnh] whatever (Mon Hum Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a carrot on an altar, on T:4132 15:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 480 points, T:1238, killed by a giant rat, while frozen by a floating eye's gaze 15:46 -!- Semilg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:47 [hdf-us] [xnh] kimosabe (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered the Bigroom, on T:11528 15:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a scroll of genocide 15:51 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Val Hum Fem Law) performed her first genocide (arch-liches), on T:21699 15:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] moulin (Rog Orc Mal Cha) polymorphed his first item, on T:22082 15:55 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a werewolf, on T:13114 16:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:3275 16:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] Scuzzery (Mon Hum Fem Neu) became Chih Sung-tzu's Envoy of Balance, on T:36005 16:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] Scuzzery (Mon Hum Fem Neu) was bestowed with Vorpal Blade, on T:36005 16:02 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 16:08 [hdf-us] [xnh] whatever (Mon Hum Mal Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:4860 16:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] wmahan (Arc Dwa Mal Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:60088 16:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] wmahan (Arc Dwa Mal Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:60089 16:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Arc Dwa Mal Law) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:833 16:19 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:19 [hdf-us] [xnh] omnisnow (Pri Hum Mal Law), 487 points, T:1056, killed by a kitten 16:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Pri Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:2677 16:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] Scuzzery (Mon Hum Fem Neu) averted death (killed by a touch of death), on T:37041 16:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] Scuzzery (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 1074494 points, T:37047, killed by a zruty (with the Amulet) 16:30 -!- Guest70 has joined #hardfought 16:31 [hdf-us] [xnh] whatever (Mon Hum Mal Cha) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:5563 16:31 <@post163> !lastgame 16:31 @post163: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/G/Gilette/nethack/dumplog/1660503172.nh.html | [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/S/Scuzzery/nethack/dumplog/1660094051.nh.html | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arahael/evilhack/dumplog/1660395334.evil.html 16:31 <@post163> @?zruty 16:31 zruty (z) | Lvl: 9 | Diff: 11 | Spd: 8 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 3 | Attacks: 3d4 claw physical, 3d4 claw physical, 3d6 bite physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, infravisible 16:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Pri Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3219 16:40 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:41 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 16:46 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Aphrodite, on T:10675 16:51 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 16:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 1131 points, T:2657, killed by a jackal, while dressing up 16:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Pri Elf Fem Cha) destroyed Grouchy's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:3350 16:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] hanran (Sam Hum Mal Law), 3394 points, T:2039, poisoned by an orcish arrow 16:59 [hdf-us] [xnh] omnisnow (Cav Hum Mal Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:4104 17:00 [hdf-us] [xnh] kimosabe (Sam Hum Mal Law) performed his first genocide (disenchanters), on T:14518 17:03 [hdf-us] [xnh] xNHRN (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:113042 17:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] hanran (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1942 points, T:1402, killed by a chameleon imitating a winged gargoyle 17:08 [hdf-us] [xnh] xNHRN (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor (for the 2nd time; on level 41, Gehennom), on T:113049 17:11 [hdf-us] [xnh] xNHRN (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:113082 17:14 [hdf-us] [xnh] kimosabe (Sam Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a bat, on T:16601 17:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] moulin (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:25225 17:16 [hdf-us] [xnh] omnisnow (Cav Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (arch-liches), on T:4929 17:17 -!- amateurhour has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Pri Hum Mal Law), 5067 points, T:4853, killed by an Elvenqueen 17:18 [hdf-us] [xnh] omnisnow (Cav Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:5034 17:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Tou Hum Fem Neu) was bestowed with Frost Brand by The Lady, on T:11535 17:20 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:26 !lastgame Scuzzery 17:26 nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/S/Scuzzery/nethack/dumplog/1660094051.nh.html 17:29 Probably leaned on the Eyes and had them stolen 17:30 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 17:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Tou Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:12948 17:34 [hdf-us] [xnh] whatever (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 12630 points, T:9149, killed by an air elemental 17:38 [hdf-us] [xnh] kimosabe (Sam Hum Mal Law) averted death (killed by a death ray), on T:18732 17:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] MoonPig (Rog Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of charging", got "a scroll labeled ABRA KA DABRA", on T:466 17:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] MoonPig (Rog Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +3 gray dragon scale mail", got "a gray dragon scale mail", on T:472 17:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] MoonPig (Rog Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +3 speed boots", got "a pair of snow boots", on T:482 17:47 [hdf-us] [xnh] kimosabe (Sam Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Ryoshu (level 14), on T:19134 17:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] MoonPig (Rog Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +3 gauntlets of power", got "a pair of fencing gloves", on T:514 17:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] MoonPig (Rog Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed figurine of an archon", got "a figurine of an Archon", on T:600 17:54 [hdf-us] [xnh] kimosabe (Sam Hum Mal Law) found the Tsurugi of Muramasa carried by a monster, on T:19454 17:54 [hdf-us] [xnh] kimosabe (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Ashikaga Takauji, on T:19455 17:54 [hdf-us] [xnh] kimosabe (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:19457 17:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] MoonPig (Rog Hum Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1621 17:58 [hdf-us] [nh4] ken (crysknives) (Val Hum Fem Law), 50725 points, T:5930, petrified by picking up a chickatrice corpse 18:04 [hdf-us] [xnh] xNHRN (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:113551 18:07 [hdf-us] [dnh] Quinn (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 1599 points, T:2062, quit 18:07 !lastgme crysknives 18:07 !lastgame crysknives 18:07 NetSysFire: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/c/crysknives/nethack4/dumplog/2022-08-14%2021%3A58%3A37%2C%20ken-Val-Hum-Fem-Law%2C%20died.txt 18:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Pri Elf Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:6628 18:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] moulin (Rog Orc Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:26049 18:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] ryanardito (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1664 points, T:3356, killed by a werewolf 18:14 [hdf-us] [xnh] omnisnow (Cav Hum Mal Neu), 12590 points, T:7614, killed by a zruty 18:15 [hdf-us] [xnh] xNHRN (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (for the 3rd time; on level 48, Gehennom), on T:113563 18:18 [hdf-us] [dnh] Alasnuyo (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 23040854 points, T:232065, disintegrated by overwinding 18:19 ...? 18:19 That's a thing? 18:19 !lastgame 18:19 Umbire: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/G/Gilette/nethack/dumplog/1660503172.nh.html | [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Alasnuyo/dnethack/dumplog/1659168119.dnh.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arahael/evilhack/dumplog/1660395334.evil.html 18:21 [hdf-us] [xnh] kimosabe (Sam Hum Mal Law) was given Excalibur by the Lady of the Lake, on T:20479 18:23 -!- Alasnuyo has joined #hardfought 18:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] ryanardito (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1210 points, T:1763, killed by a coyote 18:25 A valuable lessons was learned today. It's totally possible to die of overwounding while polymorphed into a clockwork automaton. One would expect that to just lead to reverting to the base form, but apparently not so. 18:25 Alasnuyo your death was.. curious 18:26 It was most unexpected. 18:26 fuck... rip 18:27 You can't see me right now, but I'm actually laughing my ass off at the sheer wtf-ness of this death. 18:27 I was wondering why you were so intent on hyperwinding 18:27 i could never survive that many turns without an aols 18:27 or some other life saving form 18:28 i would say i probably average a late game death every 100k or so turns 18:28 but like 95% of those in dnh are with a life saving source so it is fine 18:29 EPI: monsters with skeleton key can try to overwind "satiated" paralyzed clockwork automatons 18:29 Because it turns out that nutrition gained from winding carries over to base form, so I just installed a bunch of high-tension spring to my automata form to exploit that. 18:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] ryanardito (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1158 18:31 And the punish finally came, unfortunately... 18:31 Mostly just disappointed that I didn't get to try out my new super-mode in the astral planes; polymorphing into a marilith while carrying a ton of max-enchantment artifact weapon is actually stupidly broken. 18:31 Can't you only carry two? 18:31 Or is the marilith form in dnh tricked out in ways I... actually wanted an excuse to note on-wiki 18:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] ryanardito (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed gargor's ghost, the former Aborigine, on T:1345 18:32 marilith is very limited on what it will swing in the hands 18:32 Apparently mariliths attacks using weapons carried in their inventory, not just the ones wielded and in their off-hand. 18:33 yes, but only if they pass a certain laundry list of checks 18:33 let me find it 18:33 Elaborate away in that case, Demo (and/or anyone else who knows) 18:33 Can take that list to ##nethack-variants if you want, don't wanna ultraderail things here more than I have 18:33 https://github.com/Chris-plus-alphanumericgibberish/dNAO/blob/compat-3.21.3/src/xhity.c#L674 here is the logic 18:34 a "very good case marilith setup" can be seen with the weapons used here https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/D/Demo/dnethack/dumplog/1654124550.dnh.txt 18:34 Shrugs, I didn't keep track of what artifacts get used in that form, but there were a lot of explosions and monsters dying everytime I took a swing at anything in that form. 18:35 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Sam Hum Fem Law), 694 points, T:902, killed by a bugbear 18:35 Oh, well this channel it is then 18:35 In any case lemme quickly "dispose" of my current wiki queue 18:36 the list of always two weaponable artifacts (the only ones that can be used by marilith hands) can be found here https://github.com/Chris-plus-alphanumericgibberish/dNAO/blob/compat-3.21.3/include/obj.h#L827 18:36 Demo, well that gives me a new goal. To be even more overpowered before. 18:36 non artifact rakuyo pieces are a great marilith hand item 18:37 how did you get such high max pw? 18:37 ima on a monk sounds pretty good, especially cause expert quarterstaff so expert niman 18:38 Polypiled a bunch of energy potions. Like, a lot. 18:39 ah ok 18:39 any reason for that much pw or just to have a big number? 18:40 I initially wanted a big energy reserve for a Moonlight Sword, but that changed my mind halfway through. 18:41 did you have any spirits? 18:41 I actually had a fully explored Book of Lost Names. So, all of the near-void spirits. 18:42 which one were you planning to use? 18:42 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 18:43 Simurgh was the one most often used, because that one lets me reshape the dungeon geography almost casually just by growing trees wherever I want. 18:43 how much level reshaping do you like to do? 18:44 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Gilette (Sam Hum Mal Law), 743 points, T:1233, killed by a gnome 18:45 I turned the northern half of Master Kaen's level into a continuous unbroken pool of lava and tree-barricaded the southern half into a just to efficiently funnel black puddings into the central altar. 18:45 [hdf-us] [xnh] kimosabe (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:23607 18:46 wow 18:47 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:47 Smarttm 18:47 er 18:47 Also, works extremely well against Demogorgon. He can ignore boulder forts but not tree forts. 18:47 a thing to know if you are intending to do a silly marilith arm weapon build, ose is probably the best spirit for that because ose makes you get the same "insight weapon" bonuses as madmen if you are familiar with that 18:47 Smart™* 18:47 *thumbs-up* 18:47 so you can get d15 extra dmg on top of everything else for each item 18:48 Ah, that's good to know. 18:48 and with like 4 arms that can be like 4d15 extra dmg if you use insight weapons 18:48 and rakuyo pieces are insight weapons 18:53 Yeah a rakuyo carried me through the Asmodeus fight. Just hunkered down in a boulder fort and and spamming blood blades at prepared death zones. 18:53 [hdf-us] [xnh] xNHRN (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:113880 18:54 Also needed a maxed-out rings of increase accuracy for that too, considering Asmodeus' absurd AC. 18:54 there are a lot of weird ways to stack tohit 18:55 I'm interested in hearing those. 18:55 I tried the orrery glyph, but it seems bugged. 18:55 ose would be a good one for insight weapon tohit bonus, or dant for full bab i think, as well as with monk the bab score is weird and you are encouraged to have a monk weapon wielded for full bab or be using martial arts 18:55 dex and str both affect tohit, luck ofc as well 18:56 https://github.com/Chris-plus-alphanumericgibberish/dNAO/blob/compat-3.21.3/src/weapon.c#L2496 18:56 [hdf-us] [xnh] xNHRN (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:113888 18:57 https://github.com/Chris-plus-alphanumericgibberish/dNAO/blob/compat-3.21.3/include/you.h#L867 for bab (is just your xlvl times a multiplier determined base on role and some other things conditionally) 18:58 Hmm. Also, reading an orrery glyph just spits out an error message. And I can't seem to find the associated merchant in the Lost Cities. So I used a wish for one. And it turns out to be unusable. 18:59 yeah that is because that is all shittily implemented 18:59 and when that one was added, the most recent one, it was forgotten to add explicit handling for reading it 18:59 Ah, I see. 19:00 also it seems ose only gives dmg bonus for insight weapons, not tohit bonus, which is not how i thought it worked 19:00 only madmen get the tohit bonuses on insight weapons it seems 19:00 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:00 ah, the orrery glyph thing is fixed in dev and will be included in next version 19:01 I'll eagerly await it then. 19:01 Meanwhile, I'll just restart my monk run again. 19:01 monk is going to be even better in the next version 19:02 revised quest and generally i think nice handling of using monk weapons and more available 19:02 there are so many dmg bonus quirks that are opaque 19:03 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:3837 19:03 Hmm. Speaking of which, can mariliths try more than one pair of gloves at once? Didn't manage to test that one before my monk exploded. 19:03 nope, only one 19:04 no extra rings either 19:04 I see. 19:05 [hdf-us] [xnh] kimosabe (Sam Hum Mal Law) polymorphed his first object, on T:25344 19:05 -!- Alasnuyo has quit [Quit: Client closed] 19:06 [hdf-us] [xnh] xNHRN (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (for the 5th time; on level 49, Gehennom), on T:113936 19:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Mon Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:38245 19:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Mon Hum Fem Neu) genocided class h, on T:38245 19:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Mon Hum Fem Neu) genocided class e, on T:38246 19:11 lol figured that'd come up soon 19:21 [hdf-us] [evil] Snuff (Ran Hum Mal Neu), 1152 points, T:1880, quit 19:27 -!- Sgeo has joined #hardfought 19:28 [hdf-us] [xnh] kimosabe (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Medusa, on T:28126 19:31 [hdf-us] [slth] skwrl (Sam Elf Mal Law), 200 points, T:255, killed by Ms. Troyan, the shopkeeper 19:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Mon Hum Fem Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 329 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:39465 19:33 [hdf-us] [xnh] whatever (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 398 points, T:1013, killed by a bat 19:33 [hdf-us] [spl] leogorerd (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1226 points, T:1768, cut down by a dwarf 19:33 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 19:37 [hdf-eu] [nh343] kuba (Val Hum Fem Neu), 380 points, T:1120, killed by a gas spore's explosion 19:40 [hdf-us] [evil] Snuff (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 809 points, T:1410, killed by a hobbit zombie 19:42 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Cav Hum Mal Neu) killed the Rat King, on T:15138 19:42 [hdf-us] [nh343] magnetor (Sam Hum Mal Law), 6213 points, T:2420, killed by an orcish arrow 19:44 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Cav Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:15352 19:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:40252 19:45 [hdf-us] [xnh] kimosabe (Sam Hum Mal Law) made his first wish - "silver dragon scales", on T:28631 19:50 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Bar Hlf Fem Neu) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:1335 19:50 [hdf-us] [nh4] ken (crysknives) (Val Hum Fem Law), 6682 points, T:42, quit 19:51 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Sam Hum Fem Law), 12483 points, T:9670, killed by a chameleon imitating a baby orange dragon 19:51 [hdf-us] [dnh] Alasnuyo (Mon Hum Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2590 19:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Mon Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:40595 19:52 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Bar Hlf Fem Neu), 5202 points, T:2093, poisoned by a rotted hobbit corpse 19:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Mon Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:40597 19:56 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Bar Hlf Fem Neu) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:1449 19:56 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:57 [hdf-us] [evil] Snuff (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 755 points, T:1997, killed by a rothe 19:58 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Bar Hlf Fem Neu), 6945 points, T:2387, killed by a jackal, while fainted from lack of food 20:01 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Bar Hlf Fem Cha) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:1224 20:02 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Bar Hlf Fem Cha), 9213 points, T:1562, poisoned by a rotted sheep corpse 20:02 nethack isnt purely turn based. if you take a turn, a monster at the start of it could be undead but not get this bonus, but a monster towards the end of it could. https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/blob/NetHack-3.7/src/mhitu.c#L1031 20:05 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Bar Hlf Fem Neu) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:696 20:05 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Bar Hlf Fem Neu), 3095 points, T:737, killed by a giant beetle zombie 20:06 [hdf-us] [dnh] Quinn (Wiz Inc Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:4088 20:08 [hdf-us] [xnh] xNHRN (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:115730 20:09 [hdf-us] [nh4] ken (crysknives) (Val Hum Fem Law), 34242 points, T:3483, killed by a soldier ant 20:10 [hdf-au] [ndnh] 9629 (Con Dro Fem Cha), 214 points, T:720, killed by an iron ball collision 20:11 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Bar Hlf Fem Neu), 9666 points, T:2520, killed by an invisible quinon 20:14 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Bar Hlf Fem Neu) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:1377 20:19 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:17197 20:20 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Bar Hlf Fem Neu) was given the Lifehunt Scythe, on T:4537 20:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Pri Hum Mal Law), 563 points, T:2144, killed by a gnome 20:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] Scuzzery (Pri Hum Fem Law) destroyed Qwesti's ghost, the former Digger, on T:2149 20:23 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Bar Hlf Fem Neu), 23214 points, T:5088, killed by brainlessness 20:25 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Oracle, on T:17339 20:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Scuzzery (Pri Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:2582 20:28 [hdf-us] [dnh] zor (Ana Elf Fem Cha) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:2485 20:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Scuzzery (Pri Hum Fem Law), 1944 points, T:3000, killed by a soldier ant 20:30 [hdf-eu] [nh343] kuba (Val Hum Fem Law), 3985 points, T:3226, killed by a Woodland-elf 20:31 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Bar Vam Fem Neu) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:592 20:31 [hdf-us] [nh4] ken (crysknives) (Val Hum Fem Law), 33927 points, T:3049, poisoned by a water moccasin 20:38 [hdf-us] [xnh] xNHRN (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 robe", on T:116026 20:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] ryanardito (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3284 20:41 [hdf-us] [nh4] ken (crysknives) (Val Hum Fem Law), 29195 points, T:2628, killed by a giant spider 20:43 <@nabru> !ping 20:43 @nabru: Pong! 20:47 [hdf-us] [spl] mradosav (Cav Hum Mal Neu), 2395 points, T:2974, killed by a grizzly bear 20:48 [hdf-us] [dnh] zor (Ana Elf Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:5639 20:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] ryanardito (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2510 points, T:3561, killed by a soldier ant 20:50 [hdf-au] [nh370] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Sorceress (level 18), on T:39810 20:52 [hdf-us] [slth] dx (Wiz Dro Fem Cha), 30148 points, T:5842, quit 20:55 -!- phinxy has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.5-dev] 20:56 -!- Guest70 has quit [Quit: Client closed] 20:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] ryanardito (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) murdered his faithful kitten, on T:628 20:57 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Bar Vam Fem Neu) averted death, on T:5685 20:57 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Bar Vam Fem Neu), 71505 points, T:5707, killed by a quinon, while mesmerized by a monster 20:59 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) genocided two random monsters from class Q, on T:19486 21:00 [hdf-us] [spl] mradosav (Cav Gno Nbn Neu), 355 points, T:1130, killed by a contaminated potion 21:01 -!- phinxy has joined #hardfought 21:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] ryanardito (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 582 points, T:1300, killed by a small mimic 21:02 -!- phinxy has quit [Client Quit] 21:13 Ate a freaking cockatrice egg in soko. 21:13 arahael: that's an instadeath isn't it? 21:13 basically don't eat eggs? 21:13 Moult: In evil, no. Not sure about vanilla. 21:14 shouldn't #overview list medusa's lair and the prince's lairs too? 21:15 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a magic marker, on T:22050 21:16 Eating a footrice egg induces slow stoning. 21:16 Also it doesn't list them directly as such, no. 21:17 Also in arahael's case you unironically shouldn't be eating eggs ever anyway, considering monk penalties Actually Matter in Evilhack 21:17 Umbire: They're fine as monk, they're vegetarian, not vegan. 21:17 They're not balut or something. 21:18 Oh, I was convinced they broke vegetarian somehow. 21:18 Yeah, no. I'm still vegetarian. 21:18 I usually don't eat eggs anyway, not because of this specifically, but because they often hatch into stuff. 21:18 And if they don't, hey-ho, potential confusion source 21:18 I get annoyed when they hatch. :) 21:18 ALso, I'd rather eat a 'trice egg than get it thrown at me. 21:23 if you ever see monsters licking up eggs 21:23 picking 21:24 then worry 21:24 because in vanilla anyway, they usually only ever pick up cockatrice eggs 21:24 good way to ID them 21:24 [hdf-us] [xnh] xNHRN (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered the Elemental Planes, on T:116490 21:24 [hdf-us] [xnh] xNHRN (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered Plane of Earth, on T:116490 21:24 Just eat them! 21:25 hehe 21:25 Oh cool, that player might ascend. 21:27 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had 18 bone shuriken entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:22867 21:27 -!- phinxy has joined #hardfought 21:38 -!- PetraKelly has joined #hardfought 21:38 hi guys 21:38 sup 21:39 end of vacation...oh well 21:40 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 32737 points, T:7741, killed by a baby red dragon 21:40 Stupid. I should've run. I could have easily just run. 21:41 I finally met the ukranian family that was staying in my house in spain, they are all ver sweet, espcially the children. 21:42 yeah but you always think that next move will be lucky 21:43 next time you'll be more like Sir Robin 21:44 Oh, hi. 21:45 thats underwhelming 21:48 Ok. 21:48 Like, I genuinely didn't realize you'd gone on vacation (or else forgot) 21:48 [hdf-us] [sp] mradosav (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 4836 points, T:2323, killed by a monkey, while frozen by a monster's gaze 21:48 Been preoccupied, so. 21:52 I didn't annouce it...I was just kidding anyway 21:56 I'm trying to not think about work until tomorrow morning...they just let it pile up whan I'm gone, plus apparently I have to testify at a trial next week concerning a raid at our datacenter concerning clients accused of medicare fraud, thou I don't understand what they expect me to say other than I was there during the raid and facilitated the 21:56 agents access to the servers listed in the warrant and provided the agents with coffee 21:59 [hdf-us] [slth] dx (Wiz Dro Fem Cha), 4177 points, T:1852, quit 22:01 [hdf-us] [xnh] xNHRN (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered Plane of Air, on T:116783 22:04 plus that was like 3 years ago...I suppose the wheels of justice turn slower that  than the wheel of a geriatric hamster 22:05 There's a wide berth between legality and justice. 22:07 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Pri Elf Mal Neu), 1215 points, T:2320, killed by a bone orcish dagger 22:09 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Pri Elf Mal Neu), 87 points, T:373, killed by a goblin 22:10 well, raid happened before, when i worked at a uni, we had a sercret service raid because apparently someone was using a computer to threaten a senator 22:11 as a result we were told all machines used by the general student bidy need to be reimaged every day (to avoid actually having evidence on our machines) 22:15 lol 22:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] kscheirer (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 15832 points, T:10116, killed by a dog, while being terrified of a demon 22:25 <@nabru> !lastgame kscheirer 22:25 @nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/kscheirer/nethack/dumplog/1660362193.nh.html 22:26 <@nabru> Ah, same race sacrifice. This is going to be some nasty bones 22:28 bad nabby 22:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] kscheirer (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) murdered his faithful kitten, on T:743 22:30 [hdf-us] [xnh] xNHRN (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered Plane of Fire, on T:116897 22:31 [hdf-us] [evil] Snuff (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 2788 points, T:3740, killed by a fire ant 22:37 -!- PetraKelly has quit [Quit: Client closed] 22:39 [hdf-us] [xnh] xNHRN (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered Plane of Water, on T:116937 22:45 [hdf-us] [xnh] xNHRN (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) genocided class ;, on T:116944 22:47 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Pri Elf Mal Cha) destroyed Snuff's ghost, the former Sightseer, on T:1967 22:47 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Pri Elf Mal Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1994 22:48 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 1956 points, T:2015, killed by a Grey-elf 22:51 [hdf-us] [xnh] xNHRN (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered the Astral Plane, on T:117001 22:54 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Pri Elf Mal Neu), 582 points, T:813, killed by a crossbow bolt 22:59 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 23:00 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Dna-Kni Dwa Fem Law) killed Zuggtmoy, on T:48794 23:07 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Dna-Kni Dwa Fem Law) killed Malcanthet, on T:49249 23:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] hanran (Tou Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1806 23:16 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:17 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Dna-Kni Dwa Fem Law) killed Baphomet, on T:49849 23:18 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Inf Elf Fem Una), 3806 points, T:2574, killed by the Goblin King 23:19 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Kni Dwa Fem Law), 3828807 points, T:49927, quit 23:30 !lastgame Som 23:30 Demo: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/S/Som/dnethack/dumplog/1660171363.dnh.txt 23:49 [hdf-us] [evil] KingGizzard (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:4240 23:51 [hdf-au] [nh370] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:43047