00:11 [hdf-au] [nh370] Moult (Ran Elf Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a rock mole, on T:33577 00:11 You step onto a polymorph trap! You feel a change coming over you. You turn into a female rock mole! 00:11 right. what do i do now? 00:13 Cry scream and die in that order 00:13 you need to adapt to a new life as a rodent 00:13 rock moles eat minerals 00:13 find a stable source of food 00:13 Adeon: perfect 00:13 find shelter for your new existence 00:14 More pressingly, if you have any known rings/amulets you wanted to eat, now might be the time 00:14 wait 00:14 "Somewhat surprisingly, they cannot actually eat rocks or stones outside of variants. " 00:14 this is some bullshit right here 00:14 hehehehe 00:14 [hdf-us] [ndnh] kimosabe (Dnb-Nob Dwa Mal Law) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:48704 00:14 Yeah lithivores aren't a thing in vanilla. 00:14 (Yet[?]) 00:14 i'm a rock moult not a rock mole 00:15 @? rock moult 00:15 rock moult ~2~ rock mole (r) | Lvl: 3 | Diff: 4 | Spd: 3 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 20 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 0 | Attacks: 1d6 bite physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, tunnels, metallivore, infravisible, passes-bars 00:15 i have an amulet of guarding, is that nom-nomable? 00:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bleem (Val Dwa Fem Law) has been given Excalibur, and now enjoys supreme executive power, on T:7413 00:16 No clue atm. 00:16 Moult: vanilla? 00:17 Adeon: yep 00:17 Elf needs food, badly! You stop searching. 00:17 i'm not an elf 00:17 there is a code block for eating amulet of guarding 00:17 but I'm not sure of interpretation, one moment 00:17 ah it's equivalent to eating a ring of protection 00:18 ring of protection +2 00:18 i was completely burdened i couldn't do anything 00:19 i ended up praying and reverting back i was weak from hunger 00:19 rip eating +2 AC 00:27 Adeon: in hindsight i should've dropped everything but the amulet and tried to eat it 00:28 but i think this higlights a significant risk: i have no reflection and no MR 00:28 I think it's not guaranteed to actually give you +2 AC anyway 00:28 and i have no idea how to get them unless i just stumble across a CoMR or "oR 00:29 my tactic for non-reflection non-MR is to hope that nothing horrible is zapped my way 00:29 I'm usually pretty good at hoping 00:30 [hdf-us] [dnh] johnnyteapot (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed Croesus, on T:24942 00:30 there's no tactic other than trying to find as many items as possible and hope there's an item to do that, or get a wish; if there's a fort ludios and you can take it, there's dragons so a possible source of MR or reflection pre-castle without wishes 00:31 reminder that mr and reflection for monsters is handled by a macro and not a monster definition in vanilla because ????? 00:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bleem (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Sokoban bag of holding, on T:8870 00:33 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 00:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] OpticSugar (Bar Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Bleem's ghost, the former Skirmisher, on T:8184 00:45 Adeon: right. I'll just keep hoping 00:52 [hdf-au] [ndnh] 9629 (Bar Eth Fem Neu) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:2828 00:58 [hdf-us] [ndnh] kimosabe (Dnb-Nob Dwa Mal Law) killed Naome, on T:53906 01:01 [hdf-us] [ndnh] kimosabe (Dnb-Nob Dwa Mal Law) killed the invisible Belial, on T:53994 01:01 [hdf-us] [ndnh] kimosabe (Dnb-Nob Dwa Mal Law) killed Fierna, on T:53995 01:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bleem (Val Dwa Fem Law) averted death (poisoned by a quasit), on T:11184 01:16 [hdf-us] [ndnh] kimosabe (Nob Dwa Mal Law), 2486718 points, T:55006, poisoned by Lamashtu 01:18 !lastgame kimosabe 01:18 Demo: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/kimosabe/notdnethack/dumplog/1660008867.ndnh.txt 01:20 [hdf-us] [dnh] johnnyteapot (And-Ana And Mal Neu) has already received their quest via sticky-note, on T:26741 01:23 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bleem (Val Dwa Fem Law) was bestowed with Mjollnir by Tyr, on T:11936 01:23 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 01:27 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Ran Elf Mal Neu), 8718 points, T:8043, killed by a dwarf lord 01:39 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 904 points, T:2702, killed by a gnome king 01:46 [hdf-au] [ndnh] 9629 (Bar Eth Fem Neu), 34413 points, T:5392, killed by brainlessness 01:47 messed up that that bypasses life saving 01:50 [hdf-us] [xnh] xNHRN (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:101713 02:04 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:822 02:08 -!- fakepass has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:15 [hdf-us] [dnh] johnnyteapot (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed the first wraithworm, on T:28791 02:29 Stuck on this level, I guess I must wait until a gnome happens to walk past with a pickaxe. 02:33 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4274 02:33 [hdf-us] [ace] skwrl (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 5013 points, T:2, quit 02:33 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a lizard corpse, on T:4357 02:33 Oops. 02:34 arahael: i think i might be one of the few who might enjoy the rivers 02:34 Moult: They're good unless you get /stuck/. 02:34 [hdf-us] [slth] skwrl (Wiz Dro Mal Cha), 2100 points, T:2880, quit 02:34 I might just leave everything behind and swim, but I don't want to do that. 02:35 Found a dwarf with a pick! 02:35 A cursed mithril pick. Perfect! 02:38 arahael: hehehe 02:38 -!- cathartes has quit [Quit: fly away] 02:38 arahael: maybe the rivers only generate past minetown so by then you have a pick 02:41 I'm playing evil, though. 02:41 arahael: yeah i know it's just a suggestion to make rivers less... evil :) 02:41 Ha. 02:43 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 7077 points, T:5196, killed by a fire ant 02:43 Team A. 02:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] moob (Hea Gno Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:22966 02:55 -!- bugsniper has joined #hardfought 02:57 -!- theRaisse has quit [Read error: No route to host] 02:57 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 03:05 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:753 03:11 [hdf-us] [dnh] johnnyteapot (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:31552 03:30 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 03:56 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:03 <@hackemslashem> I working on moving all the rivers and sewage down to another more evil set of mines later in the dungeon 04:14 You enter the Evil Gnomish Mines 04:14 every monster has Evil prefixed to their name 04:14 cool 04:20 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:24 5 footrices in medusa's level 04:24 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 04:24 in other news, reached medusa's level! \o/ 04:24 [hdf-us] [xnh] xNHRN (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:103287 04:25 still no ref/MR though 04:41 -!- fadein has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:57 -!- fadein has joined #hardfought 04:59 ah nice, AC bonus from favour is different to the 9 points you can get from donation 05:09 oh, i just learned that you can get more than 9 points just that it's much less likely. i guess that's something to do with all of the spare gold 05:09 do people do this? go past the 9 points? or is it a waste of time? 05:13 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Rog Hum Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2869 05:14 I don't go out of my way to do it or anything but if I've just looted ludios and have a bunch of gold left over I'd try it 05:16 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Rog Hum Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 3 poisoned crude arrows on an altar, on T:3127 05:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] moob (Hea Gno Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed marker", got "a magic marker", on T:24657 05:20 -!- theRaisse has quit [Read error: No route to host] 05:20 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 05:27 Moult: Yep. 05:29 Damn it, unicorn, stop attacking me! 05:31 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Rog Hum Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:4737 05:32 arahael: yep it's a waste of time or yep you do what amateurhour does? 05:33 Moult: I tend to collect any gold, and any time I have like 10k or 20k gold, I just spend it on whatever, including protection. 05:33 It's not a priority. 05:33 i'm debating tackling medusa and trying for a shield of ref vs just grinding until i stumble across either "oR or CoMR. i've been polyed three times already :( 05:33 arahael: right 05:34 I'd check the level medusa's on, if you're lucky it's the variant where the shield is in a different place to medusa, and it has the shield. 05:34 CoMR is *awesome*. 05:34 Or ring of poly control... 05:35 arahael: i found a ring of poly control, do i just keep it on all the time 05:35 Moult: I guess so! 05:35 Moult: But that only helps against polymorph. 05:36 !whereis moult 05:36 arahael: moult is not playing. 05:36 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 8216 points, T:5532, killed by a gargoyle 05:41 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 05:42 <@Shadow_Rider> trying to farm reflection or mr when you’ve cleared up to medusa is not worth it to me 05:43 <@Shadow_Rider> prolly takes you longer to farm then to die and get back to that spot again 05:44 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) had a leather cloak entrusted to her by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:3568 05:44 arahael: yeah not playing now 05:44 shadow so you reckon just try and attack medusa for the shield? 05:45 ... Thanks Chih. 05:45 Moult: You want reflection before killing medusa. 05:45 And you want to be blind as well while killing her with reflection. 05:45 Actually in vanilla you can just melee her can you? (While blind) 05:47 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) had 17 shuriken entrusted to her by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:3719 05:53 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:4376 05:56 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 17666 points, T:4635, killed by a bolt of fire 05:57 Killed by a "100." :( A gnoll suddenly appeared, and on THAT turn, also zapped me with a bolt of fire, which then reflected back onto me. 05:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] moob (Hea Gno Mal Neu) attained the rank of Medicus ossium (level 14), on T:26101 06:03 arahael: ouch :( 06:11 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Rog Hum Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:1958 06:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] moob (Hea Gno Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed marker", got "a magic marker", on T:26719 06:17 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 1684 points, T:3033, killed by a gnome queen 06:17 if i use an amulet of flying, can i still shoot multiple arrows? or is it limited like levitation? 06:24 [hdf-eu] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Hea Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:6397 06:27 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 599 points, T:1588, killed by a gnome lord 06:27 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 06:31 [hdf-eu] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Hea Hum Mal Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping 11 crossbow bolts on an altar, on T:6640 06:32 [hdf-eu] [un] elenmirie (Con Orc Fem Cha) entered Minetown, on T:9460, rt[2:30:37] 06:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] moob (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed the Cyclops, on T:27144 06:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] moob (Hea Gno Mal Neu) found the Staff of Aesculapius on the floor, on T:27178 06:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] moob (Hea Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:27178 06:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] N8FH5e (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 3326 points, T:8926, killed by a crocodile 06:41 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 1153 points, T:2711, killed by a water moccasin 06:45 [hdf-eu] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Hea Hum Mal Neu) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:7030 06:50 arahael: in vanilla i can just attack her whilst blind, right? don't need reflection necessarily? 06:50 i've got the version where medusa and perseus are in the same spot 07:01 This fortune cookie is terrible! It reads: Let's face it: this time you're not going to win. 07:01 what's with all the negativity 07:03 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Rog Hum Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3128 07:04 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Rog Hum Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a square amulet on an altar, on T:3225 07:07 well it DID say it was terrible 07:08 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Rog Hum Mal Cha) was bestowed with Orcrist by Kos, on T:3604 07:09 i've checked every level, every shop, and no amulets or cloaks :( no lamps, haven't seen a single smoky potion... 07:09 maybe it's safe for me to just attack medusa without reflection? just blind myself and arrow/stormy her? 07:09 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) found Vorpal Blade in a shop, on T:311 07:12 -!- elenmirie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:14 yolo 07:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] N8FH5e (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 2590 points, T:4849, killed by a kitten 07:14 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 540 points, T:855, killed by a dart 07:16 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 07:17 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 07:20 amateurhour: but in all seriousness, does reflection help against medusa if you're blind? isn't blind enough? 07:21 yeah being blind you should be able to kill her just fine 07:21 don't worry about it you'll be fine 👌 07:24 amateurhour: going for it now :D 07:25 also flying is awesome, i can still shoot my arrows :D 07:25 -!- bugsniper has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:26 <@hackemslashem> Moult: Replying about protection. I think going above 9 divine points is usually reserved for "drain for gain" strats. So if you have a good chunk of gold, you'd probably want to lower your level to 1 so it only costs 400, you would maximize your chances of actually getting above 9 since it's fairly low (one in u.ublessed chance if u.ublessed < 20.) 07:36 You turn into a clay golem! 07:36 hackemslashem right that makes sense 07:36 wow lack of MR is crazy 07:40 <@hackemslashem> An artifact that grants flying and MR would be sweet... Hermes Boots or something? 07:41 <@hackemslashem> I love flying too... Especially in Unnethack 07:44 now i have no armor and no cloak :( 07:46 <@hackemslashem> Easy problem to solve with backtracking 07:48 hackemslashem but i'm at the door outside medusa :D 07:48 this is the moment wher ethe sensible thing to do is backtrack, find some mithril, find a cloak, and return 07:48 <@hackemslashem> Looking through evil code, it's interesting how many effects the EotO can protect you from, not sure if it's in vanilla, but lots of gaze attacks 07:48 but the _fun_ thing to do is ... attack medusa with AC-3 :D 07:49 oh, i lost my +1 shirt too... :( i think there's another shirt in a shop somewhere though 07:49 <@hackemslashem> No reflection? 07:51 hackemslashem no reflection, no MR :( 07:51 and no wish. i found a throne but it disappeared 07:53 sigh. the sensible thing to do is backtrack and get more armor 07:53 and hope i stumble across some form of MR or ref 07:54 <@hackemslashem> You might be able to get reflection from perseus' statue, but you have to get through medusa lol 07:54 <@hackemslashem> Or you could storm the castle, could work with the right tools... 07:59 hackemslashem storming the castle sounds very, very risky 07:59 but yes a WoW would be really awesome right about now 08:00 <@hackemslashem> YOLO with da bugle 08:03 [hdf-us] [ace] post163 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of fire 08:06 i have a wand of polymorph, could polying armor somehow get me a CoMR? 08:09 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 3 points, T:127, killed by an unsuccessful polymorph 08:10 [hdf-us] [slth] post163 (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 0 points, T:104, killed by an unsuccessful polymorph 08:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 4 points, T:41, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 08:11 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Dra Hum Mal Neu), 11 points, T:97, slipped while mounting a saddled baby orange dragon 08:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (class @), on T:1 08:12 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha), 715 points, T:1284, killed by a gnome lord 08:15 found ludios: dragons are silver (nice), black (not so nice), red, and orange 08:16 so probably can't tackle ludios until i have reflection 08:22 [hdf-eu] [nh13d] kuba (Sam Mal), 1315 points, T:2425, gnome 08:22 any cursed scrolls of genocide? 08:24 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 4714 points, T:2284, killed by a hobgoblin 08:28 mobileuser: nope :( 08:28 mobileuser: no geno scrolls either 08:28 [hdf-eu] [un] elenmirie (Con Orc Fem Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:14278 08:29 but instead the RNG has given me 3 speed boots and 3 bags of holding 08:30 [hdf-eu] [un] elenmirie (Con Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +3 glowing dragon scale mail", on T:14337 08:34 ok, back to AC-9 via elf mithril and oilskin cloak. maybe now i should try to take on medusa, try my luck to get a shield of reflection, then if i do, take on the ludios dragons to try and get SDSM? 08:35 [hdf-eu] [un] rainyrat (Val Hum Fem Law) entered Moria, on T:18312, rt[1:47:26] 08:38 moult: you can kill medusa with a mirror, just apply it. make sure you are blind of course 08:39 Moult: Sounds like a good plan. Be careful though if you have the version of Medusa with the titan. That guy can ruin your day. 08:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a scroll of genocide 08:43 [hdf-us] [slth] bruceleroy (Cor Elf Mal Neu), 11193 points, T:7361, killed by a watchman, while fainted from lack of food 08:44 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 08:44 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) destroyed Arahael's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:4270 08:46 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) had a short sword entrusted to him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:4575 08:47 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:51 -!- Guest96 has joined #hardfought 08:51 -!- Guest96 has quit [Client Quit] 08:53 [hdf-us] [xnh] mobius (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2561 08:53 Tangles_: i've killed the titan 08:53 hothraxxa: never tried that before, i'll try it :) 08:53 [hdf-eu] [un] elenmirie (Con Orc Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:15101, rt[4:36:01] 08:54 another plan, is to take a bag of tricks and use it up to see if i get any amulets/cloaks that way 08:54 maybe do it near an altar so i might get some favours from the gods 08:57 [hdf-eu] [un] rainyrat (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:20037 08:57 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 08:59 you say you have a poly wand, what I often do is poly scrolls to see if RNG will give me geno. Other people have other poly strats. 09:00 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:00 mobileuser: assuming i get geno, i don't have a way to curse it, but if i did, would you revgen dragons for GDSM/SDSM? which solves one of my problems? 09:00 yes 09:01 and there are ways to get cursed water 09:02 Fountain dipping has a 1/30 chance to cursed the dipped object. 09:02 ah right nice 09:03 Confused remove curse randomly blesses and curses each object it would normally uncurse, so people use a blessed scroll and a stack of water #adjusted into as many slots as possible 09:04 cool, it sounds as though there are a few ways forward: 1) bag of tricks and hope 2) kill medusa, maybe shield to tackle ludios dragons for SDSM, 3) poly scrolls for revgen dragons 09:05 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 09:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 120 points, T:164, killed by a water moccasin 09:08 Whatever you decide on, do it fast. 09:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] moob (Hea Gno Mal Neu) attained the rank of Herbalist (level 18), on T:28539 09:12 Umbire: i might try the bag of tricks. it's low risk 09:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] moob (Hea Gno Mal Neu) stole 2711 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Swidnica's liquor emporium, on T:28724 09:13 It's also highly likely to give you not-a-dragon. 09:13 Probably including stuff what can instakill you. 09:14 I'm not saying you have to get MR/ref post-haste per se, just don't dawdle about it. 09:14 Umbire: it might also give me more junk that will be able to poly 09:14 Umbire: and i can avoid the stuff that can instakill me if i do it on a high enough DL right 09:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:817 09:14 Not incorrect, but probably still a risk. 09:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1099 points, T:939, killed by an arrow 09:19 [hdf-eu] [un] elenmirie (Con Orc Fem Cha) entered Moria, on T:17884, rt[5:01:33] 09:20 Umbire: ok, doing it on DL10 produced a melon, blindfold, tin whistle, and a potion of gain level. not too exciting 09:20 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) destroyed gpsalmoncannon's ghost, the former Trailblazer, on T:8490 09:24 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 10213 points, T:8865, killed by falling down a mine shaft 09:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] N8FH5e (Arc Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed greased fixed +2 silver dragon scale mail", got "a greased silver dragon scale mail", on T:3073 09:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:50092 09:32 * Moult glares at N8FH5e 09:34 -!- fakepass has joined #hardfought 09:44 [hdf-au] [nh370] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Enchantress (level 14), on T:27734 09:45 oh. full healing is milky potion. :( 09:45 [hdf-eu] [nh13d] kuba (Wiz Mal), 214 points, T:148, death ray 09:47 which is better, alchemise to full heal and risk wasting due to ghosts, or just alchemise to extra heal and stick with that? 09:48 I think the Wiki has both the odds of a ghost and the effects 09:49 Pinkbeast: hmm yeah about 5% 09:51 oh damn, note to self, don't do alchemy on the stairs. they fall down and smash 09:51 and the rest exploded 09:51 my luck really isn't going so well this game 09:52 You probably also shouldn't alchemize with a full inventory. 09:52 Umbire: i didn't have any scrolls or potions on me 09:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] karibou (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Enchantress (level 14), on T:29826 09:52 That has no bearing. 09:53 If there's no room in main inventory for a new item, it drops to the floor. 09:53 Umbire: ohh. 09:54 never knew that :) 09:54 There's only 52 letters to use. 09:58 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 09:58 [hdf-au] [nh370] Moult (Ran Elf Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:41407 09:59 \o/ 09:59 no shield :( 10:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] N8FH5e (Arc Hum Mal Neu) murdered Lucky, his faithful large cat, on T:5510 10:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Kni Hum Mal Law) murdered Lorf, his faithful warhorse, on T:50369 10:04 hmm, found the castle. gray dragon (good). black dragon (bad). still no source of reflection. 10:05 taking on black dragons in either the castle or ludios is probably A Bad Idea, so i might need to try and attack the castle through the front and avoid the dragons, and get the WoW 10:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] N8FH5e (Arc Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:5741 10:08 If the dragons are in the alcoves by the storerooms, then you can take one the black one in melee still. 10:08 Dragons don't blast you at point blank, and worst case it's behind the gray dragon. 10:09 2 ettins, 3 trolls, 1 golden naga, 1 demilich, 1 lich. 10:10 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/1008014558494990336/unknown.png 10:10 <@Umbyre (he/him)> This is rudimentary in the extreme, but should illustrate what I'm trying to describe. 10:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed Orcus, on T:50550 10:11 Umbire: it's in front, but i'm afraid of the one behind (gold dragon) breathing and burning the door down opposite, and then being surrounded by dragons 10:11 <@Umbyre (he/him)> So it's a black dragon and a gold dragon in one of them, then. 10:11 <@Umbyre (he/him)> And the other has gray and... 10:12 <@Umbyre (he/him)> ? 10:12 Umbire: black and gold, and grey and gold 10:12 black in front, grey in front 10:12 I thought the dress was black and blue? 10:13 <@Umbyre (he/him)> So you're liable to get a blast that whizzes by or through and burns down the door either way, I see. 10:13 Umbire: yep :( 10:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Kni Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Chevalier (level 22), on T:50687 10:13 <@Umbyre (he/him)> Same tactic I was gonna suggest still works, I figure, just that you'll have 3 angles with dragons attacking you. 10:14 <@Umbyre (he/him)> Was gonna say, if the gray dragon's closest to the door, you open it from either diagonal (e.g. where the @ currently is) and lure it out onto the same horizontal as you - levitating over trap doors if necessary, etc. etc. and there's no space for black dragon to blast. 10:14 <@Umbyre (he/him)> But with what you described... 10:14 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/1008015745738879107/unknown.png 10:14 <@Umbyre (he/him)> Best you could hope for, and depending on your kit that's probably still not ideal anyway 10:15 <@Umbyre (he/him)> Scare monster wouldn't last long, gold dragon breath poofs it out from under you 10:15 Umbire: yeah i only have -8AC thanks to losing my armor due to poly 10:16 i have 150hp but that can go down pretty fast with 3 dragons 10:16 -!- theRaisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 10:16 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:16 <@Umbyre (he/him)> I think the play is to open the gray dragon door from a diagonal and then zap a wand of tele at the gray and gold ones in there 10:16 i can try attack the front of the castle, slowly carefully, lure them out? and ignore the dragons 10:16 it's not like someone is goign to unleash the dragons are they 10:16 <@Umbyre (he/him)> The doors are hidden and locked to boot. 10:17 <@Umbyre (he/him)> They'd have to be revealed, and then a giant humanoid would have to smash them down. 10:17 not to mention a flying giant humanoid would need to escape the trap doors 10:17 <@Umbyre (he/him)> As I was saying, one method is to open the gray dragon door from a diagonal and then zap a wand of tele at the gray and gold ones in there - then open the other from a diagonal and attack the black dragon from that angle, then the gold once that one dies. 10:18 <@Umbyre (he/him)> Oh, giants can't fall through trap doors. 10:18 <@Umbyre (he/him)> Too big. 10:19 the pros of tackling the dragons first are possible scales (which also means i save a wish), and not getting swarmed by the castle horde. 10:19 the pros of tackling the horde first (and i can perhaps tackle them in the maze one by one) means wish first, and no risky black dragon strategising 10:19 <@Umbyre (he/him)> You have levitation to even reach the back door with? 10:20 Umbire: yeah i've got 2 lev boots, 2 lev rings, and 1 amulet of flying 10:20 <@Umbyre (he/him)> Contingencies for eels? 10:20 along with my 3 bags of holding 10:20 i've got rocks to kill the eels 10:21 this game has given me so much other stuff i don't need 10:21 <@Umbyre (he/him)> ...I'm pretty sure you should have more than that. 10:21 oh, i've got other projectiles, but probably a waste, no? 10:22 <@Umbyre (he/him)> I was speaking more in terms of greased cloaks, wands, scaring tools... 10:25 Umbire: oh, a couple of striking wands, oilskin cloak, and bugle 10:26 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:26 <@Umbyre (he/him)> ...that's genuinely it? 10:26 Umbire: tele and digging wands 10:26 Umbire: i've got more wands in the stash, but didn't bring them. i guess i never bothered much with wands before 10:26 <@Umbyre (he/him)> Digging does nothing for the eels problem 10:26 Umbire: the past few times i just threw rocks at the eels until they died 10:27 Umbire: same for medusa 10:27 <@Umbyre (he/him)> Just wearing the oilskin cloak alone solves it. 10:27 Umbire: ah nice, cool, so the eels are sorted 10:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Kni Hum Mal Law) murdered Lorf, his faithful warhorse, on T:51343 10:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] SrinivasSamJespe (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 434 points, T:660, killed by falling down a mine shaft 10:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Kni Hum Mal Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:51475 10:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Kni Hum Mal Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:51479 10:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] SrinivasSamJespe (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 136 points, T:448, killed by a gas spore's explosion 10:49 [hdf-eu] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Hea Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:10628 10:51 [hdf-us] [evil] Snuff (Rog Hum Mal Neu), 1718 points, T:2513, killed by a mountain dwarf 10:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] karibou (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Croesus, on T:32835 11:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] N8FH5e (Arc Hum Mal Neu) destroyed SrinivasSamJespe's ghost, the former Rambler, on T:7685 11:07 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Rog Hum Mal Cha) became literate by engraving "a", on T:4921 11:08 <@post163> !role 11:08 @post163: nh13d ranger 11:08 So, Elf? 11:09 [hdf-eu] [nh13d] kuba (Hea Mal), 2268 points, T:2049, choked 11:09 [hdf-us] [nh13d] post163 (Elf Mal), 133 points, T:45, choked 11:09 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Rog Hum Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:5202 11:14 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 11:14 -!- stenno has quit [Client Quit] 11:17 [hdf-eu] [nh13d] kuba (Val Fem), 128 points, T:211, gnome 11:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] moob (Hea Gno Mal Neu) attained the rank of Magister (level 22), on T:30953 11:26 -!- shadowrider38 has joined #hardfought 11:30 "You hear someone counting gold coins. $ - 22 gold pieces (436 in total)." 11:30 Indeed, yes :D 11:31 "An ogre lady suddenly appears! You see here a large box." 11:31 urgh 11:35 !PoM 11:35 APic: The moon is full for 2 more days. 11:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] Schme (Hea Gno Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1154 11:39 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4178 11:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] Schme (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 588 points, T:1196, killed by a giant mimic 11:40 <@hackemslashem> But really, all you usually need to take on the castle is a musical instrument 11:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] Schme (Ran Elf Fem Cha) became literate by naming Sting, on T:1 11:41 <@hackemslashem> The drawbridge is the most lethal dungeon feature you can take advantage of 11:41 wand of striking 11:41 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Elf Fem Cha), 17531 points, T:11809, killed by a dagger 11:41 and scroll of earth (first level soko) 11:41 pair of gloves 11:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] wmahan (Arc Dwa Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed +2 shield of reflection", got "a polished silver shield", on T:53079 11:42 and a cockatrice corpse 11:42 <@hackemslashem> But if you don't have ref/mr you would rather crush everything 11:43 even then, some purple L can teleport to your location 11:43 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Rog Hum Mal Cha) averted death (killed by a leocrotta), on T:8318 11:43 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 12694 points, T:8322, killed by a leocrotta, while praying 11:44 if you have no MR, hallu will work if desperate\ 11:44 <@hackemslashem> Moult would basically be doing a delayed dig for victory 11:44 <@Shadow_Rider> mr is optional for castle 11:44 <@Shadow_Rider> if you check and no purple l just use the drawbridge 11:44 done it before 11:45 <@Shadow_Rider> also purple l dont spawn naturally in 3.7 anymore 11:45 <@Shadow_Rider> archlich has to spawn with gain level 11:45 with c corpse, if purple L teleports to you then you have to be quick 11:45 yes 11:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] Automobile (Val Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:5739 11:46 It has to be a demilich, and at worst you get a master lich from it 11:47 <@Shadow_Rider> oops 11:47 <@Shadow_Rider> i mixed up the name 11:47 <@Shadow_Rider> why do they always sound the same 11:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] N8FH5e (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 13261 points, T:9718, killed by a giant mummy 11:48 touch of death also isn't instakill anymore (but it's still bad) 11:49 the amount of damage means it might as well be I guess 11:49 in 37? 11:49 8d6+50 wtf 11:49 and reduces maxhp by half the damage dealt 11:49 that's... a lot 11:49 brutal 11:50 but on the flip side at least it means you can maybe tank a hit if there is a purpL 11:50 yeah Demo 11:51 <@Shadow_Rider> ye in perspective its very little 11:52 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Rog Hum Mal Cha) murdered Crimefighter, his faithful little dog, on T:1595 11:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] Automobile (Val Hum Fem Law), 7319 points, T:6032, poisoned by a rotted wraith corpse, while sleeping 11:54 -!- cathartes has joined #hardfought 11:57 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:01 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Rog Hum Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2561 12:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] wmahan (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:53957 12:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] wmahan (Arc Dwa Mal Law) performed his first genocide (class m), on T:54036 12:04 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 2167 points, T:2836, killed by a hobbit 12:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] Schme (Ran Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1814 12:05 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) became literate by reading a book, on T:6248 12:09