00:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2080 00:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Ran Orc Mal Cha) genocided class e, on T:36265 00:20 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:23 [hdf-us] [slth] bruceleroy (Cor Elf Mal Neu), 824 points, T:2650, killed by a kitten 00:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Ran Orc Mal Cha) found the Longbow of Diana on the floor, on T:36994 00:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Ran Orc Mal Cha) killed Scorpius, on T:36995 00:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Ran Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:37056 00:41 aosdict: i stopped the rgrn reader from updating a while ago, because rgrn is dead 00:48 [hdf-us] [dnh] johnnyteapot (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:20527 00:49 Oh dear, I appear to be on Demogorgon's floor. 00:55 [hdf-us] [dnh] slapdashtrout (Elf-Ran Elf Mal Cha) killed Shelob, on T:54073 00:59 Adeon: Why did you send me a mail about carrots 01:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] OpticSugar (Bar Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:23632 01:11 Oh great now Orcus is here. 01:11 [hdf-au] [nh370] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Orcus, on T:49709 01:12 [hdf-us] [dnh] slapdashtrout (Elf-Ran Elf Mal Cha) killed the high shaman of Moloch, on T:54536 01:16 [hdf-au] [nh370] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:49746 01:18 [hdf-au] [nh370] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Asmodeus, on T:49799 01:22 [hdf-us] [dnh] johnnyteapot (And-Ana And Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:22455 01:25 Do-do-do-do, soloing Orcus and Dem 01:26 [hdf-us] [dnh] slapdashtrout (Elf-Ran Elf Mal Cha) killed Lungorthin, on T:54725 01:27 Demo at roughly half-health... 01:30 [hdf-au] [slth] Umbire (Fir Dwa Mal Law) killed Demogorgon, on T:89402 01:30 Get fucked. 01:31 ...apparently he gated Juiblex at some point. 01:31 <@Shadow_Rider> nice lol 01:31 [hdf-au] [slth] Umbire (Fir Dwa Mal Law) killed Juiblex, on T:89410 01:31 Now to deal with the also-gated Orcus 01:32 [hdf-au] [slth] Umbire (Fir Dwa Mal Law) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:89456 01:36 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Con Orc Mal Cha), 63 points, T:101, killed by a crossbow bolt 01:37 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Con Orc Mal Cha), 12 points, T:212, killed by a fox 02:09 -!- shadowrider38 has joined #hardfought 02:13 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Sam Gia Mal Law), 8990 points, T:7480, quit 02:16 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:18 "You have a sad feeling for a moment, then it passes." 02:18 >immediately panic whistle 02:18 >both my remaining pets are still alive 02:19 >"oh right, I invoked for a water E' 02:22 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] OpticSugar (Bar Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (master mind flayers), on T:28461 02:28 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 02:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] OpticSugar (Bar Hum Mal Cha), 73311 points, T:28863, killed by a winged gargoyle 02:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] xtof54 (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:5093 02:53 -!- fadein has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:56 -!- cathartes has quit [Quit: fly away] 02:58 -!- fadein has joined #hardfought 03:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] xtof54 (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 4749 points, T:6439, killed by a gargoyle, while sleeping 03:12 -!- shadowrider38 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:13 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Colobot (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:4085 03:14 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 03:15 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Leeroy (Ana Inc Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:7635 03:18 [hdf-eu] [un] elenmirie (Con Orc Fem Cha), 450 points, T:537, killed by a bat 03:19 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Ran Elf Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4569 03:19 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 1801 points, T:4585, killed by a giant spider 03:21 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 157 points, T:300, killed by a hobbit 03:23 [hdf-eu] [un] elenmirie (Con Orc Fem Cha) entered a shop, on T:1037, rt[0:04:59] 03:29 !lastgame stroller 03:29 bhaak: No last game for stroller. 03:30 hothraxxa: I think Janis is https://alt.org/nethack/plr.php?player=Stroller but I thought he was playing slashem mostly as of late 03:39 [hdf-us] [ndnh] kimosabe (Dnb-Nob Dwa Mal Law) was given the Shield of Yggdrasil, on T:19003 03:46 <@malor> Why do you think that bhaak? 03:48 because AFAIR my last glances into RGRN he was talking more about slashem than vanilla 03:52 <@malor> Ok but why is he Stroller? 03:53 -!- hackemslashem has joined #hardfought 03:53 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 03:55 [hdf-eu] [un] elenmirie (Con Orc Fem Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:3036, rt[0:37:32] 03:57 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:57 <@hackemslashem> bhaak! I'm trying to port in your black market, and it's mostly working, but I'm running into something where I think the big room version is crashing, could you take a look? I've tried gdb-ing it, it's something here https://github.com/elunna/hackem/blob/d0d756fcb761aaa1f2948fd22764c688f2eb2942/src/shknam.c#L549 03:58 [hdf-us] [dnh] johnnyteapot (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed Croesus, on T:28015 04:01 <@hackemslashem> The multi-marketeer black market seems to work fine (except Sam isn't getting thiefbane) so it's gotta be something with the big one... 04:03 -!- bugsniper has joined #hardfought 04:07 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 04:08 @hackemslashem this is local? so you could save scum and end the game to get at the level seed? 04:08 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 2634 points, T:1923, killed by a bolt of cold 04:13 <@hackemslashem> Hmm, not seeing the level seed 04:15 <@hackemslashem> I'm still a newb with this kind of stuff 😛 04:16 oh wait, you're not talking about unnethack 04:16 I didn't read the whole url 04:18 [hdf-eu] [slshm] simpleliquid (Sam Hum Mal Law), 5387 points, T:3493, killed by a wolf, while helpless 04:18 you should post the backtrace if you can so we can see where nlp is 04:18 `bt` in the gdb prompt 04:20 <@hackemslashem> yup comin up! 04:22 04:22 well nlp is null there 04:22 so my guess would be that the shop has no shopkeeper names list 04:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] khill (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2982 04:24 ah yeah 04:24 check out the shtypes array in src/shknam.c 04:25 compare black market to say lighting shop, lighting shop has shklight there 04:25 <@hackemslashem> right, I was looking around to see where unnethack used it but I couldn't really find a solution 04:25 yes because you there is a 0 at line 353 04:25 <@hackemslashem> Oh yea, I noticed that, Un didn't have shkblack? 04:26 <@hackemslashem> ^ referring to shtypes... 04:27 the bigroom version worked differently, that entry in the shop lists was added when the multi shop variant was added 04:27 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 04:28 <@hackemslashem> hmm interesting - I have to step out for a bit but thanks for your help! 04:28 https://github.com/UnNetHack/UnNetHack/blob/master/src/shknam.c#L361 04:28 ^ there it handles the nlp == NULL case in unnethack 04:34 [hdf-us] [ndnh] kimosabe (Dnb-Nob Dwa Mal Law) was given their Quest, on T:21513 04:36 <@hackemslashem> Nice, I'll give it a shot when i get back 04:39 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 04:40 Hi there. 04:50 hi Umbire 04:53 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Colobot (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 5575 points, T:6008, killed by a yeti 04:57 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 04:59 -!- raisse has quit [Read error: No route to host] 05:02 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:1022 05:02 xl10 and still not a single resistance. what's going on 05:02 only telepathy 05:02 [hdf-au] [nh370] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:52049 05:03 [hdf-au] [nh370] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:52054 05:03 if you can camp somewhere to get crowned that'll sort you out 05:03 amateurhour: don't i need luck for crowning 05:04 (Simpsons voice) Altars can provide many points of Luck. 05:05 Umbire: aren't my chances not too high without a luckstone? 05:05 [hdf-au] [nh370] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", got "a magic marker", on T:52067 05:06 xl10 and you don't have a luckstone? ;-) 05:08 mobileuser: nope :( maybe i should get one 05:10 ah finally, pois resistance 05:11 [hdf-us] [ndnh] kimosabe (Dnb-Nob Dwa Mal Law) killed Durin's Bane, on T:24484 05:13 [hdf-au] [nh370] Moult (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 25904 points, T:19341, killed by a rock troll 05:13 well then 05:14 !lastgame 05:14 Moult: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/C/Colobot/nethack/dumplog/1659997392.nh.html | [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/g/gpsalmoncannon/evilhack/dumplog/1660029591.evil.html | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/M/Moult/nethack/dumplog/1659966237.nh.html 05:15 that's always a big danger in the mines 05:15 Major events: nothing much happened 05:16 i was afraid to go further without pois resistance, and too weak to do much interesting. blessed lamp produced a hostile djinni... 05:17 [hdf-us] [ndnh] kimosabe (Dnb-Nob Dwa Mal Law) became the Lord of Moria, on T:24745 05:19 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Colobot (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 892 points, T:1874, killed by a rock piercer 05:50 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Orc Fem Cha), 16005 points, T:7586, killed by a dwarven captain 05:56 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Ran Elf Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2650 05:57 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Colobot (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1142 points, T:2152, killed by a rope golem, while disrobing 06:02 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 06:08 -!- Semilg has joined #hardfought 06:11 -!- bugsniper has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:12 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 06:14 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 8307 points, T:3639, killed by a piranha 06:15 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Ran Elf Mal Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:9 06:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cloudmillion (Pri Hum Fem Cha), 773 points, T:1945, killed by a rothe, while frozen by a floating eye's gaze 06:35 -!- hackemslashem has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:35 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Ran Elf Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2476 06:36 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Ran Elf Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (pyrolisks), on T:2526 06:36 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Ran Elf Mal Cha) genocided disenchanters, on T:2529 06:38 [hdf-au] [ndnh] delisma (Nob Hlf Fem Law), 75933 points, T:10727, killed by a hod sephirah, while praying 06:39 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Ran Elf Mal Cha) chose an elven broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:2764 06:43 Do you guys do any co-op playing or some form of group play for nethack? 06:43 Or just during June/Nov? 06:44 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 2374 points, T:3313, killed by a Grey-elf 06:44 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Ran Elf Mal Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1 06:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cloudmillion (Pri Hum Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:1863 06:50 [hdf-us] [dnh] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 42 points, T:17, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 06:50 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Wiz Dro Mal Cha) murdered his faithful kitten, on T:1 06:51 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Ran Elf Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:792 06:52 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Wiz Dro Mal Cha), 100 points, T:336, killed by a falling object 06:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 0 points, T:27, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 06:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] MoonPig (Sam Hum Mal Law) polymorphed his first object, on T:19063 06:57 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Kni Inf Nbn Cha), 112 points, T:220, offed by a giant rat 06:57 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Cha), 58 points, T:47, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 06:58 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Dra Dro Mal Cha), 97 points, T:182, slipped while mounting a saddled baby gold dragon 06:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (class G), on T:1 07:00 Moult people sometimes do a round-robin. Start a game, after eg 5000 turns the next player continues the game. 07:01 I may have used the wong technical term there :-) 07:02 mobileuser: oh nice :) anybody here does it? i think it would be fun to do a bit of social play 07:03 No, I think it fits 07:04 ah: https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Robin 07:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] MoonPig (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed magic marker", got "a magic marker", on T:19295 07:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a scroll of genocide 07:11 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 3864 points, T:3360, killed by a crossbow bolt 07:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] MoonPig (Sam Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Kokushu (level 18), on T:19490 07:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] MoonPig (Sam Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Daimyo (level 22), on T:19539 07:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] MoonPig (Sam Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Kuge (level 26), on T:19568 07:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] MoonPig (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", got "a scroll labeled ELBIB YLOH", on T:19663 07:15 "You killed a redshirt" :) zapm is funky 07:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] MoonPig (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed magic marker", got "a magic marker", on T:19665 07:21 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Trt Mal Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of fire 07:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:15, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 07:22 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] NetSysFire (Mad Vam Fem Cha), 351 points, T:1124, killed by a water moccasin 07:23 -!- hackemslashem has joined #hardfought 07:24 -!- ilbelkyr is now known as nicole 07:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cloudmillion (Pri Hum Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:4138 07:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cloudmillion (Pri Hum Fem Cha) rejected atheism by offering a gnomish wizard corpse on an altar of Susanowo, on T:4279 07:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cloudmillion (Pri Hum Fem Cha) was bestowed with Demonbane by Susanowo, on T:4336 07:33 -!- Semilg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Ran Orc Mal Cha) bribed Asmodeus with 82 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:38978 07:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] khill (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) destroyed kscheirer's ghost, the former Evoker, on T:5026 07:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] khill (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) found Sting on the floor, on T:5230 07:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] MoonPig (Sam Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Shogun (level 30), on T:20136 07:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] MoonPig (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:20147 07:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Ran Orc Mal Cha) bribed Baalzebub with 346 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:39468 07:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cloudmillion (Pri Hum Fem Cha) made her first wish - "+2 blessed fixed silver dragon scale mail", got "a blessed silver dragon scale mail", on T:5165 07:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] MoonPig (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:20347 07:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of cold 07:52 [hdf-eu] [xnh] mobileuser (Sam Hum Mal Law) genocided class U, on T:27640 07:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] khill (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 5928 points, T:5721, killed by a rock troll 07:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] MoonPig (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Juiblex, on T:20736 08:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cloudmillion (Pri Hum Fem Cha) found Excalibur on the floor, on T:5881 08:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] MoonPig (Sam Hum Mal Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:21514 08:03 It's hard to see out of this helmet. J - a +0 stormtrooper helmet 08:03 hehehehehe 08:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] MoonPig (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:21534 08:13 hah 08:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cloudmillion (Pri Hum Fem Cha) destroyed otc's ghost, the former Sergeant, on T:6527 08:16 The docbot probes you! You feel violated! "Come again soon!" Status: Sore 08:16 well then, don't pay 200$ for unnecessary intestinal surgery 08:17 it's good to figure out which service does what 08:17 zapm? 08:17 if you don't have a babelfish yet 08:17 yeah zapm 08:17 bhaak: My black market works now woohoo! Ty 08:18 amateurhour: i have a babelfish :) 08:18 One last issue of One-eye sam not getting thiefbane though... 08:18 i've just found robot town and the sewer branch it seems 08:18 nice 08:18 He's getting all the other equipment so not sure whats up 08:18 i have absolutely no clue what i'm doing :D 08:19 throwing grenades, randomly trying out weapons 08:19 i managed to get a dogbot to be my friend but he died 08:20 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Colobot (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:2437 08:20 oh wait, i repaired him and he's my friend again 08:20 :) 08:21 oh, my dog killed me. how's that for gratitude 08:22 if you get reflection you can kill the robot town guard easily and use their cannon and go on a shopkeeper bot murder spree 08:22 amateurhour: hehehe nice :D zapm is like unspoiled nethack 08:23 i have floppy disks but have no idea how to get a computer 08:23 you'll find one in a shop at some point 08:23 righto 08:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Ran Orc Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:41363 08:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Ran Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:41364 08:24 not many zapm players on hdf-au it seems ;) i made the highscore number 2 08:25 zapm is fun and short 08:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] khill (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1326 08:26 amateurhour: oh? would you say robottown is equivalent to minetown, or delphi? 08:27 well the sewers are entirely optional, and there's not a whole lot of dungeon 08:27 hackemslashem: great! 1ES gets Thiefbane in makemon.c 08:28 I just realized I was trying to give him a shield and thiefbane is a 2H sword in Un - so I might go back to a regular long sword for that 08:29 the 2H was for making it useless for normal players. or at less, less interesting 08:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] khill (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 1141 points, T:1558, killed by a gnome lord, while sleeping 08:29 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Hea Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:30443 08:30 Ah 08:31 I guess you could be a giant and twoweapon with it? 08:32 [hdf-au] [nh370] Moult (Ran Elf Mal Cha) became literate by naming Sting, on T:13 08:32 But I did copy the Un makemon code so I'm still not sure what's goin on 08:33 There's some stuff in weapon.c enabling shopkeepers and 1ES to touch it (since they usually are humans), I might have to examine that a little closer 08:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Kni Hum Fem Law), 730 points, T:684, killed by a fox 08:39 [hdf-au] [xnh] delisma (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1000 points, T:2230, killed by a guard 08:40 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Hea Hum Mal Neu) killed Croesus, on T:31294 08:40 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Leeroy (Ana Inc Mal Cha) killed Axus, on T:15376 08:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Ran Orc Mal Cha) killed Orcus, on T:42692 08:44 [hdf-us] [evil] arnibald (Inf Gia Mal Una) had a dagger entrusted to him by Moloch, on T:15388 08:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Sam Hum Fem Law), 1306 points, T:1043, killed by a wand 08:52 [hdf-us] [evil] arnibald (Inf Gia Mal Una) changed form for the first time, becoming a tengu, on T:15865 08:54 oh no. the downstair is in a treasure zoo. 08:55 no choice but to fight 08:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 08:58 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (two random monsters from class @), on T:1 08:58 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a scroll of genocide 08:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 3 points, T:98, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 08:59 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Kni Inf Fem Law), 0 points, T:29, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 09:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 324 points, T:427, killed by a boulder 09:02 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Kni Dwa Nbn Law), 8 points, T:85, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 09:02 [hdf-au] [nh370] Moult (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 2203 points, T:4660, killed by a dog 09:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 11 points, T:95, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 09:02 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Kni Dwa Nbn Law), 0 points, T:4, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 09:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 4 points, T:98, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 09:03 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Kni Inf Fem Law), 0 points, T:35, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 09:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Ran Orc Mal Cha) found Fire Brand on the floor, on T:46023 09:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] karibou (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1091 points, T:2653, killed by a dingo 09:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Ran Orc Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:47613 09:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Ran Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:47631 09:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] karibou (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 242 points, T:877, killed by a large kobold 09:31 -!- fakepass has joined #hardfought 09:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Ran Orc Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:47902 09:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of fire 09:36 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Hea Hum Mal Neu) killed Daemon, on T:33509 09:38 Weird, I still can't get one eye sam to receive thiefbane, tried a bunch of stuff but still no luck 09:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Ran Orc Mal Cha) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:48049 09:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Ran Orc Mal Cha) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:48053 09:38 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Hea Hum Mal Neu) killed Glasya, on T:33557 09:43 hackemslashem how does eg Vlad get Lifestealer? 09:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Ran Orc Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (2nd time), on T:48987 09:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Ran Orc Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (3rd time), on T:49367 09:47 [hdf-au] [nh370] Moult (Ran Elf Mal Cha) became literate by naming Sting, on T:50 09:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Ran Orc Mal Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:49578 09:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Ran Orc Mal Cha) entered the Elemental Planes, on T:49636 09:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Ran Orc Mal Cha) entered Plane of Earth, on T:49636 09:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Ran Orc Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5th time), on T:49637 09:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] MoonPig (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Demogorgon, on T:24950 09:51 <@hackemslashem> I was looking at how yenog got butcher and not much was different. I'll try a bunch of stuff later, like seeing what i can give Sam and what i can't. 09:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Ran Orc Mal Cha) entered Plane of Air, on T:49711 09:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] MoonPig (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Orcus, on T:24961 09:52 <@hackemslashem> Might try making Sam a giant as well 09:53 <@hackemslashem> Then we can bypass the thiefbane vs @ problem (maybe) 09:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Ran Orc Mal Cha) entered Plane of Fire, on T:49788 09:54 -!- qt has joined #hardfought 09:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] MoonPig (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Yeenoghu, on T:25129 09:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Ran Orc Mal Cha) entered Plane of Water, on T:50015 09:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Ran Orc Mal Cha) genocided class ;, on T:50016 10:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Ran Orc Mal Cha) entered the Astral Plane, on T:50207 10:02 [hdf-au] [nh370] Moult (Ran Elf Mal Cha) found Grimtooth in a shop, on T:1475 10:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Ran Orc Mal Cha) killed Famine, on T:50222 10:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Ran Orc Mal Cha) killed Famine (2nd time), on T:50237 10:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Ran Orc Mal Cha) killed Famine (3rd time), on T:50252 10:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Ran Orc Mal Cha) killed Famine (5th time), on T:50308 10:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Ran Orc Mal Cha) killed Death, on T:50328 10:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Ran Orc Mal Cha) killed Death (2nd time), on T:50334 10:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Ran Orc Mal Cha) killed Death (3rd time), on T:50347 10:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Ran Orc Mal Cha) killed Death (5th time), on T:50377 10:06 damn you rng 10:07 i wanted to do an atheist priest and i spawn with create monster and a coaligned altar on dlvl 1 10:07 don't give in to the temptation 10:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Ran Orc Mal Cha) killed Pestilence, on T:50446 10:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Ran Orc Mal Cha), 2524076 points, T:50458, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/o/otc/nethack/dumplog/1659965861.nh.html 10:10 gg 10:10 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Hea Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:34534 10:10 This red mold corpse tastes gamey. You finish eating the red mold corpse. 10:10 wat 10:11 literally unplayable 10:11 i know NetSysFire 10:11 i emailed the devteam about it like 25 times now 10:11 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Hea Hum Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:34609 10:12 but they don't care a whit 10:12 pet stole speed boots from a shop on DL2 :D good start 10:14 [hdf-eu] [nh370] NetSysFire (Pri Hum Fem Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3089 10:15 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Hea Hum Mal Neu) killed the elder priest of Moloch, on T:34771 10:17 Just reading through otcs dumplog... Congrats! 10:18 Interesting how he does mines end before sokoban. Isn't that risky? 10:18 i do that somewhat often too. and i guess maybe it is risky because i die a lot 10:19 Also, first genocide is disenchanters? 10:19 Genociding e is a good idea though those spheres are very annoying with rings and such 10:19 Oh and damaging items 10:21 I don't see juiblex in his log at all 10:21 [hdf-us] [dnh] Alasnuyo (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Naome, on T:166480 10:21 https://nethack-yanis.github.io/yanis/4139.html https://0x0.st/o2K1.jpg 10:22 [hdf-us] [dnh] Alasnuyo (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Fierna, on T:166481 10:23 [hdf-us] [evil] arnibald (Inf Gia Mal Una) had Angelslayer bestowed upon him by Moloch, on T:17977 10:23 Interesting amulet choice? Not sure if another 2 ac is better than "oLS 10:24 guarding also enhances MC 10:24 they were not wearing a cloak of protection 10:24 [hdf-us] [dnh] Alasnuyo (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Dispater, on T:166503 10:25 Ah ok 10:25 How did he get ac-50? Eating rings? 10:25 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Hea Hum Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:35588 10:26 look at their armor 10:26 [hdf-us] [dnh] Alasnuyo (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Belial, on T:166517 10:26 overkill :-) 10:27 I would rather give up the shield and 2-weapon 10:27 [hdf-eu] [nh370] NetSysFire (Pri Hum Fem Cha) was bestowed with Demonbane by Poseidon, on T:7313 10:27 Right. Wow. Must be all those markers. 10:27 sorry bhaak, i have into the temptation 10:27 mobileuser: rangers can't two weapon? 10:28 uhm 10:28 right, I play too many variants ;-) 10:29 shield = (y) 10:29 Interesting wish for amulet of flying... 10:29 Is that better than a ring? I guess it doesn't explode and frees up ring slots 10:30 life is so much better with an amulet of flying 10:30 <@Shadow_Rider> everyone have different playstyle 10:30 ^ 10:30 Thank you for saving me a literal text wall's worth of typing. 10:30 haha 10:30 of course 10:31 All demon lords are optional very technically optional anyway, Juiblex especially if you're chaotic. 10:31 Umbire: how is juiblex optional? I guess you can dig past but its inconvenient and on the way up surely he'd spot you 10:32 Hehehe yes I'm learning from the playstyle 10:32 <@Shadow_Rider> as a chaotic you can same race sacrifice 10:32 Did you know you can pass monsters without killing them? 10:32 There's a whole playstyle based around it even 10:32 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Hea Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Famine, on T:35819 10:32 <@Shadow_Rider> and demon lords/princes will be peaceful 10:32 Any playstyle that results in ascension is probably better than mine :) 10:32 Shadow aaah didn't know that 10:33 Umbire: I thought juiblex always teleports and attempts to engulf, pretty hard to avoid? 10:33 the best playstyle is what lets YOU ascend :-) 10:33 Umbire: i summoned yeenoghu 10:33 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 5160118 points, T:35847, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/m/malor/dnethack/dumplog/1659705076.dnh.txt 10:33 >without killing them< 10:34 <@Shadow_Rider> gg malor 10:34 "without killing them" 10:34 congrats malor! 10:34 <@malor> thanks. Healer is still OP in dnh. 10:34 "without killing them" 10:34 and now juiblex joined the part 10:34 <@Shadow_Rider> lol umbire we get it 10:35 Malor congrats! 10:35 <@malor> thanks 10:35 <@Shadow_Rider> moult one possibility is levelporting past/digging down and then using a cursed potion of gain level on the way up 10:35 <@Shadow_Rider> close to necessary in some variants like dnh that malor just won effortlessly as always 10:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] maneatingcow (Val Hum Fem Law), 306 points, T:1495, killed by a guard 10:35 Umbire: sorry, I just found it odd 10:36 both are now on another dungeon level and i can continue farming 10:38 Moult: ignore any perceived condescension, Umbire just likes saying "without killing them", he does it all the time. it's unrelated to your conversation 10:38 [hdf-eu] [nh370] NetSysFire (Pri Hum Fem Cha) was bestowed with Sting by Poseidon, on T:8893 10:38 I think it's some kind of mantra 10:38 dude i cant even use it 10:38 0/10 poseidon 10:39 NetSysFire: hehehehe 10:39 ...doesn't that literally unrestrict it for you? 10:39 I mean it's not really much even then, but it's technically usable. 10:39 qt: its a good reminder though, the past few games I leveled up pretty quick without good equipment and ended up dying 10:40 you're not playing evilhack NetSysFure 10:40 i know 10:40 if it was evilhack i would have been killed by locusts already 10:40 so you can use it 10:41 [hdf-us] [evil] arnibald (Inf Gia Mal Una), 51354 points, T:18235, killed by a mithril elven arrow 10:42 i *can* 10:42 in evilhack my god wouldnt have even gifted me this 10:43 [hdf-eu] [nh370] NetSysFire (Pri Hum Fem Cha) was bestowed with Ogresmasher by Poseidon, on T:9448 10:43 this is better 10:44 barely :b 10:44 <@Shadow_Rider> NetSysFire I think you need to learn to be a little more grateful 10:44 <@Shadow_Rider> Your god is out here gifting whole ass artifacts you be gettin picky and stuff 10:45 God just rummages around in the lost-and-found box 10:45 <@Shadow_Rider> YASI: your god has a chance to start smiting you if you don’t use their gifts often enough 10:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] wmahan (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 366 points, T:1665, killed by a giant mimic 10:50 Ogresmasher is at least trainable to Expert and gives 25 Con 10:50 It's an improvement over Sting, which is a fairly low bar 10:51 -!- shadowrider38 has joined #hardfought 11:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] MoonPig (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:30948 11:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] MoonPig (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:30956 11:06 https://twitter.com/VoicesByZane/status/1556446953646559234 11:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] MoonPig (Sam Hum Mal Law) performed the invocation, on T:31322 11:09 [hdf-us] [slth] bruceleroy (Cor Elf Mal Neu), 8794 points, T:6232, killed by a yeti, while fainted from lack of food 11:11 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Pir Inc Fem Neu) killed the first wraithworm, on T:9103 11:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] MoonPig (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:31713 11:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] MoonPig (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:31725 11:14 [hdf-eu] [nh370] NetSysFire (Pri Hum Fem Cha), 8400 points, T:12921, killed by a hill orc 11:14 nooo 11:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] khill (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) destroyed wmahan's ghost, the former Digger, on T:1609 11:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] wmahan (Arc Dwa Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:1891 11:21 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Colobot (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:6673 11:23 I love polearm 11:23 every Pole i have met has been creeped out by how much i stare at their arms 11:30 -!- phinxy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:35 -!- shadowrider38 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:35 -!- shadowrider38 has joined #hardfought 11:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] wmahan (Arc Dwa Mal Law) destroyed nabru's ghost, the former Esquire, on T:3973 11:38 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Bin Dwa Fem Non) destroyed Lich, the Fiend of Earth, on T:34199 11:40 qt: Sometimes I wonder what would happen if Bec de Corbin and Bill Guisarme ever got together and had a kid 11:40 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Bin Dwa Fem Non) killed Kary, the Fiend of Fire, on T:34421 11:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] wmahan (Arc Dwa Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:4072 11:43 -!- hackemslashem has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:43 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Pir Inc Fem Neu) killed the invisible Grue, on T:11237 11:45 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Bin Dwa Fem Non) wished for "blessed wand of polymorph", on T:34527 11:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] wmahan (Arc Dwa Mal Law) was bestowed with Snickersnee by Quetzalcoatl, on T:4490 11:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] khill (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:3037 11:59 -!- phinxy has joined #hardfought 12:00 -!- phinxy has quit [Client Quit] 12:04 [hdf-us] [slth] dv (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) killed the ghost of du, the former Thaumaturge, on T:2168 12:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Kni Hum Fem Law), 341 points, T:500, killed by a wand 12:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:8884 12:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 14978 points, T:8945, killed by a fire ant 12:11 -!- shadowrider38 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:14 [hdf-us] [ace] hothraxxa (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 41213 points, T:6576, killed by a mumak 12:17 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Bin Dwa Fem Non) killed Tiamat, the Fiend of Wind, on T:35336 12:17 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Pir Inc Fem Neu), 255734 points, T:12664, killed by an arrow trap 12:17 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Bin Dwa Fem Non) destroyed Warmachine, on T:35355 12:18 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Bin Dwa Fem Non) killed the invisible Garland, on T:35419 12:20 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Bin Dwa Fem Non) killed Chaos, on T:35444 12:20 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Tou Hum Fem Neu) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:334 12:20 -!- hackemslashem has joined #hardfought 12:20 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 4563 points, T:425, killed by a jackal 12:25 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 12:36 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Bin Dwa Fem Non) killed the Lady of Pain, on T:37597 12:37 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Tou Hum Fem Neu) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:650 12:39 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Tou Hum Fem Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1142 12:41 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 13001 points, T:1277, killed by a shocking sphere 12:46 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Tou Hum Fem Neu) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:559 12:52 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Tou Hum Fem Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1307 12:53 -!- phinxy has joined #hardfought 12:58 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 atma weapon", on T:1545 13:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:4330 13:05 [hdf-us] [ndnh] kimosabe (Dnb-Nob Dwa Mal Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 Premium Heart", on T:27656 13:07 -!- phinxy has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.5-dev] 13:13 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:14 [hdf-us] [xnh] every (Mon Hum Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (disenchanters), on T:24516 13:16 -!- ChrisANG has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:19 -!- phinxy has joined #hardfought 13:19 -!- ChrisANG has joined #hardfought 13:25 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3558 13:26 <@hackemslashem> Oh weird, in evil Vlad gets Lifestealer in the .des file, it's just dropped in the ground at Vlad's feet. Maybe that will work with Sam, but Sam isn't generated hostile so I dunno 13:29 <@hackemslashem> Also, weird UnNethack thing: One eyed sam is generated differently for each version of the black market, in one version Sam is placed there in the .des file, in the other, I think Sam is put there in the special room code. 13:29 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Bin Dwa Fem Non) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:39763 13:29 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 83393 points, T:5743, killed by a Coure Eladrin, while sleeping 13:30 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Cav Gia Fem Law), 913 points, T:3584, killed by a rabid dog 13:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] khill (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5863 13:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] khill (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Sokoban amulet of reflection, on T:5881 13:32 [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:32070 13:33 -!- Guest7095 has joined #hardfought 13:34 is there a good way to find where a throne is under objects? in a throne room but every square has like 20 objects on it that i dont want to have to move to check 13:34 #terrain 13:34 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Dna-Kni Dwa Fem Law) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:2023 13:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] maneatingcow (Val Hum Fem Law), 1276 points, T:3198, killed by an imp 13:41 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Dna-Kni Dwa Fem Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2755 13:42 [hdf-eu] [un] simpleliquid (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1190, rt[0:06:14] 13:42 <@nabru> !ping 13:42 @nabru: Pong! 13:43 -!- hackemslashem has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Kni Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1290 13:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] wmahan (Arc Dwa Mal Law) acquired the Sokoban amulet of reflection, on T:11166 13:46 [hdf-eu] [un] simpleliquid (Sam Hum Mal Law), 903 points, T:1578, killed by a dagger 13:49 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Cav Gia Fem Law), 6182 points, T:5256, killed by a fire ant 13:50 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:5534 13:52 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had a pair of high boots entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:5688 13:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Kni Hum Fem Law) received Excalibur from a strange woman laying about in a pond, on T:2854 13:57 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha), 1369 points, T:1747, killed by a hill orc 13:58 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a baby sea dragon, on T:6070 13:59 [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the invisible Anaraxis the Black, on T:34390 14:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3545 14:03 <@hackemslashem> Rejoice, I found a missing line preventing Sam from getting Thiefbane. Thieves beware... 14:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] wmahan (Arc Dwa Mal Law) was bestowed with Sunsword by Quetzalcoatl, on T:12342 14:04 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Kni Dwa Fem Law), 46615 points, T:5106, petrified by a cockatrice corpse 14:05 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Pri Inc Fem Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:639 14:12 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Pri Inc Fem Neu) was given the Unstoppable, on T:3991 14:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Kni Hum Fem Law), 6017 points, T:4549, killed by a killer bee, while praying 14:14 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Bin Dwa Fem Non) destroyed the invisible Acererak, on T:41730 14:14 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Bin Dwa Fem Non) averted death, on T:41733 14:16 -!- floorcrawler has joined #hardfought 14:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] wmahan (Arc Dwa Mal Law) made his first wish - "blessed greased +2 gray dragon scale mail", got "a greased gray dragon scale mail", on T:12587 14:16 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Bin Dwa Fem Non) became the Emissary of Elements, on T:41799 14:17 -!- phinxy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:18 [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:35197, rt[7:34:58] 14:18 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Pri Inc Fem Neu) was given Mirror Brand, on T:9179 14:20 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Pri Inc Fem Neu), 24907 points, T:11206, absorbing too much energy and exploding 14:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] khill (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:7810 14:24 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Dna-Kni Dwa Fem Law) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:1550 14:25 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Tou Inc Fem Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1843 14:26 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Kni Dwa Fem Law), 7608 points, T:1979, killed by a hedrow warrior 14:27 [hdf-us] [dnh] monsignor (Bin Orc Mal Non), 351 points, T:616, killed by an acidic corpse 14:27 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Tou Inc Fem Neu) was given Atlantean Royal Sword, on T:2046 14:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 64 points, T:129, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 14:28 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Wiz Mer Nbn Neu) murdered their faithful kitten, on T:1 14:29 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Tou Inc Fem Neu) was given the Atma Weapon, on T:2426 14:30 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Tou Inc Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 gauntlets of power", on T:2448 14:32 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Dna-Kni Dwa Fem Law) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:1104 14:33 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Wiz Mer Nbn Neu), 981 points, T:923, killed by a falling object 14:38 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Tou Inc Fem Neu) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:4200 14:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Dna-Kni Dwa Fem Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:3924 14:48 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 15:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] karibou (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 673 points, T:1821, killed by a giant bat, while frozen by a floating eye's gaze 15:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 15:04 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Tou Inc Fem Neu) was given Windrider, on T:7400 15:10 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Tou Inc Fem Neu) was given the Shield of the All-Seeing, on T:7487 15:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] karibou (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed +2 silver dragon scale mail", got "a silver dragon scale mail", on T:565 15:11 "A glass amulet of life saving shatters into a thousand pieces!" 15:11 F! 15:12 I kicked that off a trap :-( 15:13 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Tou Inc Fem Neu) was given the Unstoppable, on T:8232 15:14 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:6696 15:16 [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "fixed blessed +2 glowing dragon scales", on T:37581 15:19 -!- Guest7095 has quit [Quit: Client closed] 15:19 @hackemslashem yes, that's due to 1ES being the shopkeeper of the shop and in the other she isn't. when the code generates a shop, it also creates the shopkeeper. that's why 1ES is missing in the des file of the big room variant 15:19 [hdf-eu] [xnh] mobileuser (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Orcus, on T:28843 15:20 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 27849 points, T:7339, killed by a bolt of lightning 15:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] khill (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:10543 15:23 [hdf-eu] [xnh] mobileuser (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "magic marker", on T:28873 15:26 <@hackemslashem> Yup I figured, I have most of the bugs straightened out. However now none of my characters tested could actually handle thiefbane. Will this never end lol 15:27 [hdf-eu] [nh370] spontiff (Val Dwa Fem Law), 980 points, T:2692, killed by a rock troll 15:27 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Tou Inc Fem Neu), 141239 points, T:10408, absorbing too much energy and exploding 15:28 mobileuser: F 15:31 impressive 15:33 [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered Moria, on T:39217, rt[8:49:53] 15:37 [hdf-eu] [xnh] mobileuser (Sam Hum Mal Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:29210 15:37 [hdf-eu] [xnh] mobileuser (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:29212 15:39 [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed Durin's Bane, on T:39517 15:41 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 15:45 -!- ChrisANG has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] Automobile (Val Hum Fem Law), 680 points, T:2075, killed by a hobgoblin 15:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Sam Swn Fem Law) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:950 15:49 -!- ChrisANG has joined #hardfought 15:51 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 15:51 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Sam Swn Fem Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1683 15:59 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Sam Swn Fem Law) was given Jinja Naginata, on T:4261 16:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] Automobile (Val Hum Fem Law), 316 points, T:1476, killed by a wererat 16:00 [hdf-us] [evil] arnibald (Inf Gia Fem Una) killed the Goblin King, on T:1235 16:01 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Sam Swn Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 premium heart", on T:4361 16:03 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:04 [hdf-eu] [xnh] mobileuser (Sam Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Daimyo (level 22), on T:29297 16:05 <@post163> !variant 16:05 @post163: grunthack 16:06 you did ask, now you are obliged 16:07 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Sam Swn Fem Law), 40138 points, T:5134, petrified by a cockatrice egg 16:08 !lastgame kame4 16:08 Demo: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/kame4/dnethack/dumplog/1660074270.dnh.txt 16:08 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 16:14 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame2 (Mon Clk Fem Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:68763 16:16 [hdf-us] [gh] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 16:18 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame2 (Mon Clk Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:68943 16:19 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 176 points, T:639, killed by a rock gnome 16:19 <@post163> !lastgame 16:19 @post163: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/N/NetSysFire/evilhack/dumplog/1660073360.evil.html | [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/p/post163/evilhack/dumplog/1660076213.evil.html | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/M/Moult/nethack/dumplog/1660048298.nh.html 16:21 -!- magnetor has joined #hardfought 16:21 >69 people here 16:21 nice 16:26 !who 16:26 magnetor: [hdf-eu] Colobot [nh370] | [hdf-us] Automobile [nh370] karibou [nh370] Bartlem [nh370] otc [nh370] kame2 [dnh] Alasnuyo [dnh] magnetor [nh4] post163 [spl] | [hdf-au] No current players 16:28 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 549 points, T:1834, killed by a rothe 16:47 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Cav Gia Fem Law) murdered Slasher, her faithful little dog, on T:1096 16:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] Automobile (Val Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3382 16:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law), 3654 points, T:4636, killed by a giant beetle 16:50 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Dra Hum Mal Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by kicking a wall 16:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] Automobile (Val Hum Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3576 16:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Scuzzery's ghost, the former Student of Stones, on T:16083 16:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Val Dwa Fem Law) found Stormbringer on the floor, on T:16085 16:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1864 16:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1600 points, T:2127, killed by a soldier ant 16:56 [hdf-eu] [nh370] NetSysFire (Pri Hum Fem Cha) was bestowed with Demonbane by Huan Ti, on T:2454 16:56 not even blessed 16:56 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Cav Gia Fem Law), 1950 points, T:5106, killed by an orcish dagger 16:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 12924 points, T:7713, killed by a gremlin 17:00 [hdf-eu] [nh370] NetSysFire (Pri Hum Fem Cha) was bestowed with Ogresmasher by Huan Ti, on T:4322 17:02 [hdf-eu] [nh370] NetSysFire (Pri Hum Fem Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:5090 17:03 R - an uncursed tin of soup made from acid blob 17:03 ??? 17:03 mmm, acid soup 17:03 sweet and sour taste, without the sweet 17:05 you found the unobtainable diluted potion of acid! 17:06 [hdf-eu] [xnh] mobileuser (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed amulet of life saving", on T:29910 17:06 magnetor: could add some fruit juice 17:06 you dip the potion of water into the tin.  It explodes! 17:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] maneatingcow (Val Hum Fem Law), 329 points, T:1403, killed by a large kobold, while frozen by a floating eye's gaze 17:07 [hdf-eu] [nh370] NetSysFire (Pri Hum Fem Cha), 1140 points, T:6907, killed by a little dog 17:07 no guaranteed amulet of life saving at xnh Vlad. xnh forces me to wish for stuff instead of finding it! 17:07 :b 17:08 no guaranteed "oLS 17:08 but guaranteed wish 17:08 * aosdict plays tiny violin 17:08 atomic! 17:10 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Kni Dwa Mal Law), 53173 points, T:6477, petrified by a Throne Archon 17:13 [hdf-eu] [xnh] mobileuser (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Ashikaga Takauji, on T:30339 17:13 [hdf-eu] [xnh] mobileuser (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:30341 17:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] kincle (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) found Demonbane in a shop, on T:975 17:20 !lastgame Som 17:20 NetSysFire: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/S/Som/dnethack/dumplog/1660069629.dnh.txt 17:23 aosdict: did you see the stuff in the wiki channel? 17:27 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:4065 17:31 [hdf-eu] [slshm] simpleliquid (Sam Hum Mal Law), 2763 points, T:1366, killed by a dwarf 17:31 yeah but I thought we weren't deleting the main slex page entirely anyway. where are the delete templates on other slex pages that should be gone? 17:32 ftr there are slex related pages I'll be sad if anyone removes 17:33 list of races, list of roles, and the toilets and sinks pages I found very useful 17:33 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) rejected atheism by offering a gnome noble corpse on an altar of Huan Ti, on T:4759 17:33 aosdict: but a major part at least 17:34 oh the sinks and toilets one is actually under the user rather than in top level 17:34 ignore that one then 17:34 in any case, i meant if you saw that grossly inappropriate edit 17:34 why delete it? 17:35 is there something inappropriate in the wiki page itself? 17:35 <@Shadow_Rider> slex or slashthem? 17:35 qt: I'm walking a fine line between camps of "no one cares if slex is nuked off the wiki" and "there is nothing problematic on the wiki and it's a vendetta by one or two people" 17:36 <@Shadow_Rider> eek 17:36 I did delete some slex screenshots that had nsfw content 17:36 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had a pair of speed boots entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:4843 17:36 <@Shadow_Rider> Is there a way to archive them or something? 17:37 <@Shadow_Rider> It’s good info just questionable content 17:37 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:4890 17:38 as a non-slashthem player, how useful are slex pages to slashthem players? 17:38 not useful at all 17:38 <@Shadow_Rider> they aren’t 17:38 then how's it good info 17:39 it's good info for the nonzero number of people that play slex 17:39 for people who still play slex 17:39 ppl still play it 17:39 i still play it as much as i ever did 17:39 we still play slex, we just don't do it in public 17:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] kincle (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:3801 17:40 <@Shadow_Rider> qt: which is zero? 17:40 <@Shadow_Rider> or is that a non joke 17:40 i highly assume it is a joke 17:41 yeah i have never really played it, i only tried it a couple times and i found it overwhelming 17:41 it is chaotic for sure 17:42 <@Shadow_Rider> yeah understandable 17:42 so can someone give me a Tl;Dr on why this is even being talked about rn? 17:42 like what's the point 17:42 because the cost of just leaving it is 0 17:42 its about supporting slex 17:43 so everyone is on the same page: slex was removed from hardfought because it contains grossly inappropriate stuff such as sexual acts involving kids, which the author denies but the hard evidence is there. it also contains numerous distasteful things such as making fun of anorexia and more. after she was told she burned all the bridges and really doubled down. 17:43 and all wiki admins are in support of removing slex related content because of reasons cited above 17:44 I support removing "grossly inappropriate" content from the wiki, the difference is that while hardfought hosted the grossly inappropriate content, I don't think the wiki does 17:44 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 1411 points, T:1892, crunched in the head by an iron ball 17:44 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Cav Gia Fem Law), 16720 points, T:13631, killed by a gray unicorn 17:44 in fact, I support removing any nsfw content from the wiki, which is a bigger umbrella 17:45 rmdir /foocubus/ 17:45 BUT - there's a whole lot of slex documentation that isn't that 17:45 you could argue that the plain info about roles and races and toilet/sink stuff isnt nsfw 17:45 but then the question is: do you really want to support such a variant by hosting documentation of it? 17:46 <@Shadow_Rider> sorry not really related but I wanna know who are the wiki admins? 17:46 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 17:46 aosdict, paxed, dtype 17:46 i probably forgot one 17:46 there are more but those are the relevant ones 17:47 bruh why are you trying to put people in two camps, it's not a support or reject 17:47 i reject amateurhour 17:47 I support amateurhour 17:47 i support qt 17:47 magnetor: sicko 17:47 ;) 17:47 none of the 3 of us are unequivocally in support of removing slex content NetSysFire - we're all neutral. I remain unconvinced on nuking everything 17:47 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 17:48 qt: put him on ENEMIES_LIST.txt 17:48 and the discussion here isn't helping the case of removing it 17:48 The magnetor hits! The magnetor hits! You die... 17:49 if the issue is just that you feel the page is an endorsement of slex it seems like you could just put some banner at the top of the page that says "this variant contains offensive material but SFW aspects are documented here for the benefit of players, proceed at your own risk" 17:50 aosdict: so far you are the most neutral one. the discussion here is most definitely not helping but paxed and dtype are both in favor and you are at least slightly in favor from my backlog 17:55 <@Shadow_Rider> why does this kahran have such strong opinions to start spite editing the wiki 17:55 <@Shadow_Rider> it seems like they have history of good contributions for a while 17:55 quite honestly: probably a meatpuppet of amy. its how she would word stuff 17:56 Isn't the term "sockpuppet"? 17:56 nope 17:56 sockpuppets are different from meatpuppets 17:56 TIL 17:56 if i tell you "hey, magnetor, edit the evilhack page to tell K2 that locusts suck" you are a meatpuppet 17:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:3436 17:56 if you actually do that i mean 17:57 do it magnetor 17:57 ah, makes sense 17:57 <@Shadow_Rider> well that would be kinda interesting if that was the case netsysfire 17:57 @e?locust 17:57 locust (a) | Lvl: 9 | Diff: 11 | Spd: 12 | Res: poison | Confers: poison | MR: 0 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 0 | Attacks: 1d8 bite physical, 1d4 sting disease | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, flies, oviparous, poisonous, passes-bars 17:57 look at these! he went too far 17:57 <@Shadow_Rider> It still says on Amy’s page that she doesn’t care if all mention of slex on the wiki is removed 17:57 i havent looked at her pages 17:57 also, my contributions to the wiki consist only of adding research about extinctionism, so uhh 17:57 yeah, I'm not really active on the wiki 17:57 im pretty active on the wiki 17:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1704 points, T:3483, killed by a soldier ant 17:58 my username on there is Kahran042 17:58 -!- ChrisANG has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:58 * NetSysFire throws a looking glass at qt 17:58 <@Shadow_Rider> “I wouldn't really shed a tear if all mention of SLEX was wiped from the wiki.” 17:58 <@Shadow_Rider> tbf that was when she “retired” and has since come out of retirement 17:58 yes. she has doubled down since then and made everything worse 17:59 Welp, I'mma go get drugs.  ping me if any of y'all need puddings. 17:59 i need some black ones for shock res 18:00 how big, and how hard, do these black ones need to be? 18:00 we talking a firm consistency here, or more flaccid? 18:00 i just need two globs and they should not taste terrible 18:00 make them taste stringy 18:01 -!- shadowrider38 has joined #hardfought 18:01 shadowrider38: btw you should register your nick 18:02 -!- ChrisANG has joined #hardfought 18:02 ah yes 18:02 how do i do that lol 18:02 /msg nickserv help register 18:02 what client do you use? 18:02 so you get automatically logged in when you connect and that differs by client 18:03 hexchat 18:03 and don't put a space before the /msg and leak your password to everyone 18:03 lol 18:03 where do i do that 18:03 in this channel? 18:04 anywhere as long as you don't put a space in front of it 18:05 shadowrider38: https://libera.chat/guides/registration 18:05 also worth reading after that one: https://libera.chat/guides/sasl 18:06 thanks 18:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] kincle (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 2454 points, T:4628, killed by a large cat 18:10 -!- jilles_ is now known as jilles 18:12 -!- amateurhour has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:17 I'm back with drugs 18:20 nice 18:20 noob question whats the benefit to registering nick 18:21 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:21 -!- qt has joined #hardfought 18:21 shadowrider38: so no one can steal it from you 18:22 that's mostly relevant if you have a really cool nick, like qt, or NetSysFire 18:22 yasi: croesus has *fortune* cookies, containing gold pieces 18:22 aha 18:23 mine is not really cool so i didn't have to do it 18:24 or another yasi: fortune cookies can spawn in vaults, contain money-related fortunes 18:28 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 18:29 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Colobot (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Sokoban bag of holding, on T:10765 18:30 yasi: using a scroll of genocide is considered a war crime in-game 18:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:4208 18:38 -!- shadowrider38 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:40 -!- ChrisANG has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:40 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:46 -!- ChrisANG has joined #hardfought 19:22 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Leeroy (Ana Inc Mal Cha) destroyed the Arsenal, on T:16971 19:27 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Colobot (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed fixed greased +2 silver dragon scale mail", got "a greased silver dragon scale mail", on T:11819 19:40 -!- shadowrider38 has joined #hardfought 19:48 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Bin Dwa Fem Non) killed the Death Eye, on T:44533 19:55 -!- shadowrider38 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Arc Hum Mal Law), 535 points, T:1450, killed by an elf zombie 20:00 -!- NetSysFire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00 -!- NetSysFire has joined #hardfought 20:05 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Hob Fem Neu) killed the invisible Demogorgon, on T:79878 20:06 [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Kni Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1414 20:09 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Hob Fem Neu) genocided antimatter vortices, on T:80043 20:11 -!- Sgeo has joined #hardfought 20:14 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) had 19 steel shuriken entrusted to her by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:6090 20:16 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Hob Fem Neu) genocided green slimes, on T:80208 20:19 [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Kni Hum Fem Law), 3476 points, T:2385, killed by a psionic beam 20:19 <@Shadow_Rider> is this guy for real? 20:19 <@Shadow_Rider> Kahran deleted the whole slashthem discussion page and left only his “announcement” on it 20:20 <@Shadow_Rider> Jesus that’s not the discussion page 20:20 <@Shadow_Rider> https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/SlashTHEM 20:20 <@Shadow_Rider> Can someone do something about this dude 20:20 i just reverted the edit 20:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 29 points, T:55, killed by a little dart 20:21 if they continue, I can ask admin types to take appropriate action 20:23 <@Shadow_Rider> yeah that’s like the third or fourth selfishly destructive edit they’ve made recently 20:23 i kinda wonder if Kahran042 is an amy alt account 20:23 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Sam Gia Mal Law), 15573 points, T:10653, killed by a bolt of fire 20:23 who knows? *shrug* 20:23 gonna eat, i'll keep an eye out 20:23 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 5 points, T:105, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 20:24 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Dwa Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (dwarves), on T:1 20:24 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Dwa Mal Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a scroll of genocide 20:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 3434 points, T:4397, killed by a soldier ant 20:24 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 9 points, T:81, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 20:24 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) destroyed arnibald's ghost, the former Idolater, on T:7919 20:26 [hdf-us] [nh4] mobius (Val Dwa Fem Law), 30565 points, T:3130, killed by a kitten called "Nimbus" 20:27 <@Shadow_Rider> NetSysFire brought up the possibility earlier but they have been contributing steadily for a while now and for other variants it seems like so I’d say it’s unlikely 20:29 <@Shadow_Rider> plus interestingly earlier I found slex commits from at least 5 years ago stating that the ideas came from kahran, that’d be a long time to fake an alt like that 20:30 feels like a real account to me but one who isnt really aware of how these things work. 20:32 kahran is a long time wiki contributor that has done a lot of stuff 20:33 please read his user page 20:33 [hdf-eu] [nh370] finitelycraig (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "magic marker", got "a magic marker", on T:42797 20:34 <@Shadow_Rider> ye that’s what gets me confused 20:34 he has pages from like 2007 20:34 <@Shadow_Rider> what’s with the seemingly random spite edits 20:34 wikis attract the unwell 20:35 he hated modern vanilla before it was cool 20:36 yeah I think that's actually awesome 20:40 [hdf-eu] [nh370] finitelycraig (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed fireproof +3 speed boots", got "a pair of mud boots", on T:43451 20:40 how r multiple ppl even suggesting the guy that made most of the quest pages in 2007 is an amy alt 20:40 amy will love this 20:40 wayyyyy too much 20:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Arc Dwa Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2456 20:44 <@Shadow_Rider> lol this dude prolly wrote the first rendition of the wiki 20:45 did multiple people suggest it Demo? 20:45 yeah read the backscroll 20:45 oh yeah i see, k2 and shadow_rider 20:45 shadow_rider was iffy, scroll up further, theres another 20:46 <@Shadow_Rider> I don’t think it’s Amy alt at all 20:46 <@Shadow_Rider> Im just very passive when in express my thoughts 20:47 [hdf-us] [evil] Snuffburger (Arc Dwa Mal Neu) wished for "blessed +2 dragonhide robe of decay", on T:38662 20:47 you're right shadow_rider, i misrepresented what you said 20:47 anyway i kinda like this guy (his user page is pretty funny) and think he just needs to be drunk tanked or Alzheimer helped (i've seen ppl act very unreasonable like this in earlier stages of alzheimers before it gets really bad) or just like general spazdowned 20:48 anyway it was netsysfire who suggested it even earlier 20:48 i think NetSysFire suggested amy may have asked him to make the edit but referred to that as being a "meatpuppet" 20:49 not really important anyway 20:49 meatpuppet is an unpleasant term 20:49 i liked it 20:50 [hdf-us] [evil] Snuffburger (Arc Dwa Mal Neu) made his first artifact wish - "blessed rustproof eye of the aethiopica", on T:38669 20:50 im imagining a hand puppet made of raw meat 20:50 im gonna get some raw milk and get super powers the government doesnt want me to have 20:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Arc Dwa Mal Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3835 20:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 2327 points, T:3856, killed by a soldier ant 20:54 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:12280 20:55 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Dra Elf Mal Cha), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled baby blue dragon 21:01 kahran's a real person 21:01 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 6602 points, T:6383, killed by a giant ant, while fainted from lack of food 21:01 [hdf-eu] [nh370] pi (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 454 points, T:1110, killed by a little dart 21:01 because it was creepily easy to find their personal information and online presence verify it's an actual person 21:02 maybe he's having bad time or something 21:02 i got the 'amy alt' vibe from the use of 'SJW' 21:02 i'd only ever seen amy use that acronym before 21:02 his online presence is definitely a little edgy but doesn't seem like a crazy person 21:03 are you for real k2? 21:03 all the cool people use it 21:03 for realz yo 21:03 fo' sho' 21:03 no cap? 21:03 https://www.hardfought.org/phpBB3/gallery/image/2616/source 21:04 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/1006729705308823592/unknown.png 21:05 <@ChrisANG> He's just always had this side to him I guess. 21:05 * K2 shrugs 21:05 everyone is entitled to their own opinion 21:05 except for qt 21:05 he has to be perfect in every way, lest moloch strike him down 21:06 <@ChrisANG> Yeah. I was just a little surprised. 21:06 <@Shadow_Rider> heh nice find 21:06 me too. who woulda thought that qt worshipped moloch? 21:06 weirdo 21:06 <@ChrisANG> I'd browsed his YANI page during several of my "lets just treat the wiki YANI pages as a to-do list" kicks so I was surprised by the resent edits. 21:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) became literate by reading a book, on T:4923 21:07 <@ChrisANG> Doesn't everyone who does software-adjacent things long enough? 21:07 heh 21:07 I can see his point of view from an old school ad&d perspective 21:08 but nethack alignment system is not nearly as complex as d&d alignment system 21:08 nor should it imo 21:09 if there were a d&d alignment, we'd all be locked to 'evil' 21:10 <@Shadow_Rider> he is certainly entitled to his opinions like everyone else, but a wiki is no place for opinion (imo) especially if it’s a personal one 21:10 my belief is that the player is always 'good', its implied. lawful (good), neutral (good), or chaotic (good), unaligned is definitely 'evil' 21:10 there's definitely some grey area on chaotic though 21:11 open for debate 21:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:5468 21:11 I suppose the player does follow the orders of a god opposed to another god (the latter being explicitly stated as evil), so, by d&d definitions, I suppose that would make us non-evil 21:11 <@Shadow_Rider> def chaotics kinda give the vibe of ‘evil’ tho I don’t think that’s necessarily the case 21:11 i think that 3.5+ isnt real and that the reason they only make transistors in taiwan is cause they only have one alien device to make them but im not getting in editwars on the wiki about it 21:11 case in point: elvs 21:11 *elves 21:12 * K2 passes Demo a twinkie 21:12 I'm more just thinking about the actions your average nethack player performs just to ascend, many of which could be considered evil 21:13 there's evilhack and there should be goodhack 21:13 neutralhack when 21:13 where you ascend by taming monsters, taking them out of pits, etc... 21:13 there is no evilhack because it is 3.6 based which isnt real, so therefore it doesnt exist so there doesnt have to be goodhack 21:13 xnethack is the unofficial 'goodhack' :P 21:13 neutralhack is just hack 21:13 <@Shadow_Rider> goodhack - killing anything is an immediate loss 21:13 this includes yourself 21:14 although, that was implied 21:14 there cannot be a goodhack unless a mechanic exists to help an old lady cross the street whilst carrying her groceries 21:15 <@Shadow_Rider> huh I wonder how interesting it would be to implement all 9 alignments 21:15 put a leash on a gnome lady who is carrying food rations 21:15 ^ that 21:15 lol 21:15 @Shadow_Rider... off 21:15 ooof even 21:15 we need time machine simulations so i can simulate a future where i went back in time and abducted andries brouwer and see what filled the void of hack and nethack 21:16 sokoban's replaced with trolley problems 21:16 or battle chess 21:16 how would the mysterious cockblocking force deal with a Law/Morality alignment chart? 21:16 <@Shadow_Rider> k2 I’m challenging you to do it 21:16 <@Shadow_Rider> get going 21:16 sorry adeon but if you read Kahran042's user page you would know "any version with Sokoban and/or the Monk class is not and never will be vanilla" 21:17 @Shadow_Rider oh hell no lol 21:17 <@Bubbles> I think that if we're talking about D&D alignments specifically, killing lots of creatures would still be perfectly fine for "good." I think stuff like sacrifice and eating intelligent creatures would still be evil, but it is actually possible to avoid those with some conducts. 21:18 <@ChrisANG> Chaotics can murder people. 21:18 is letting your pet steal from shops evil? 21:18 I don't know but shopkeepers in real life don't seem to appreciate it 21:18 <@Bubbles> Probably at least a little bit xD. 21:18 <@ChrisANG> (in NetHack, I mean 😄 ) 21:18 lawfuls and neutrals can also murder people 21:18 they just take a penalty for doing so 21:18 <@ChrisANG> Yeah, but your god ain't happy. 21:19 <@ChrisANG> Though also not particularly unhappy. 21:19 <@Shadow_Rider> can you really be considered good for killing someone 21:19 <@Bubbles> That's why I specified D&D alignments. 21:19 someONE? usually 21:19 someTHING? up for debate 21:19 <@Bubbles> Which was where the original discussion started, I think. 21:20 what if i go back in time and kill myself before i can go back in time and kill 20 innocent people? is that good or bad or what 21:20 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:2795 21:20 that will create a black hole that destroys the earth 21:20 so, good 21:20 <@Shadow_Rider> chaotic 21:21 <@Shadow_Rider> I’m curious what people you have in mind that you would go out of your way to go back in time to kill 21:21 or, if we're running off of early-mid 2000's teen novel logic, it would cause you to become a supernova 21:21 demo was going to kill me 20 times at different stages in my life 21:21 <@Bubbles> Which novel are you thinking of specifically? 21:22 <@Shadow_Rider> right, of course 21:22 <@Bubbles> That seems awfully specific. 21:22 <@Shadow_Rider> going back earlier in your life each time 21:22 the Artemis Fowl series.  This is legitimately how the main villain gets her powers in the ending 21:22 i loved those books in middle school 21:22 <@Bubbles> Ah. I've read a few Artemis Fowl novels, but not the full series. 21:22 never read any that came out after that though 21:23 <@Bubbles> Also, I'm going to rant about something that's only sort of related because I haven't had an opportunity for so long. 21:23 <@ChrisANG> I found the alignment section of this video informative context, btw: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMOAYhrIYW4 21:27 the wikipedia pages for those artemis fowl books seem to fall into that category of "written by one person who isn't a great writer but is highly enthusiastic about the subject matter" 21:28 <@Bubbles> The use of "logic" here. It's really common to effectively say that a different logic is being used when something in fiction doesn't "make sense" to someone. But I don't think that's right. The rules might be different in other worlds, but logic usually does stay the same - for instance, there are no statements that are both true and false at the same time in the same place. Of course, what statements are true or false might differ from the real 21:28 world, but in principle, that's no more a different logic than the fact that some statements are true for me but not for you is illogical. If you want to look up fiction with different logics, that would be something like "Sylvan's Box," maybe (look it up.) And I'd even go into real-world quantum physics and how at least at one point, serious philosophers suggested logic did have to be revised because of it, but that might be going too far afield. (Some stories have 21:28 consistency issues, but IMO many of them can be reconciled with some effort, especially with alternate universe theories.) 21:28 that judgment is based on this a nice long sentence with nested parentheses https://termbin.com/omlx 21:28 murdering as lawful/neutral is -2 luck penalty 21:29 you can figure out what your god considers more evil by looking at actions that give more penalty 21:29 like killing coaligned unicorn is more than twice as evil 21:29 -!- shadowrider38 has joined #hardfought 21:29 jumping in sokoban is 0.5 murders of evil 21:29 what if you encounter said unicorn behind a boulder in sokoban? 21:29 evilunits 21:30 breaking a mirror is about as evil as murder 21:30 u should be able to jump onto a saddled tamed steed to ride it 21:30 yani^ 21:30 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 21:31 [hdf-us] [nh4] mobius (Val Dwa Fem Law), 12283 points, T:698, quit 21:31 I know the scene they're talking about, and, holy hell, that *definitely* could have been explained a lot better 21:31 if i wrote a book or a story it would be a nightmare 21:32 if I wrote a story, it would probably be smut 21:32 mainly because that's what I write 21:32 <@Bubbles> Oops, I just forgot that time travel could be used to create genuine paradoxes, depending on the ruleset. So maybe a different "logic" is involved. But still, there are ways to make it consistent. Take your pick. The two best ways are alternate universes or self-consistency principle (you can't change the past, and if you try, it would already have been incorporated into the past.) 21:32 i would only do that if it was offensively bad in parody 21:34 <@Bubbles> Ah, are you replying to magnetor or me? 21:34 magnetor 21:34 both, Demo would only create time-travel pornography if it were offensively bad 21:34 <@Bubbles> ...I bet that's out there already. 21:34 probably me, Demo doesn't have the means of traveling through time that I know of 21:35 otherwise, qt would probably be dead 21:35 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Bin Dwa Fem Non) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:45661 21:35 20 times over 21:36 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Nob Dro Fem Cha), 1175 points, T:801, killed by a gnome lord, while fainted from lack of food 21:38 <@Bubbles> Although yeah, I doubt many other people are interested in the exact meaning of "logic." I have to apologize a bit for interjecting with it. But I didn't know where else to say it, even though I've seen it used that way so many times before. 21:39 nw, it's interesting to read it from the perspective of a storywriter 21:39 granted, my stories generally have different goals in mind 21:40 i want some well written science fiction conspiracy theory tier stuff kind of like the stuff they do a bit in stargate 21:42 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 344 points, T:1846, killed by a grid bug, while praying 21:42 impressive 21:42 !lastgame kame4 21:42 magnetor: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/kame4/dnethack/dumplog/1660095479.dnh.txt 21:43 <@Bubbles> That would be interesting. Although massive conspiracy is actually one of the things that's hard to justify, because real-world conspiracies with a lot of people are difficult to keep secret for very long. Of course, as I said, different rules in different worlds. Magic or super-science might perhaps make such things much easier... perhaps a frightening thought. 21:43 ah, they were overencumbered 21:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] Scuzzery (Mon Hum Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1836 21:51 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Kni Dwa Fem Law), 3571 points, T:1608, killed by a killer bee 21:55 -!- cathartes has joined #hardfought 21:57 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Bin Dwa Fem Non) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:54442 21:59 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Bin Dwa Fem Non) performed the invocation, on T:54520 22:01 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Bin Dwa Fem Non) killed the elder priest of Moloch, on T:54596 22:03 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Dro-Rog Dro Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:13306 22:06 [hdf-us] [nh4] ken (crysknives) (Val Hum Fem Law), 47558 points, T:4075, killed by a mumak 22:09 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Bin Dwa Fem Non) entered the Planes, on T:54952 22:09 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Dro-Rog Dro Fem Cha) was given Staff of Necromancy, on T:14437 22:11 [hdf-us] [slth] dv (Wiz Dro Fem Cha), 16562 points, T:3184, killed by a magic missile 22:12 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Bin Dwa Fem Non) destroyed Famine, on T:55073 22:13 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 8241 points, T:10404, killed by a soldier ant 22:13 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Bin Dwa Fem Non) destroyed Pestilence, on T:55101 22:14 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 34035 points, T:15388, killed by a vampire of Kiaransali 22:14 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Bin Dwa Fem Non), 7412536 points, T:55128, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/m/malor/notdnethack/dumplog/1659462672.ndnh.txt 22:16 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Dro-Rog Dro Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:606 22:17 <@nabru> !lastgame kame4 22:17 @nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/kame4/dnethack/dumplog/1660095727.dnh.txt 22:17 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 1247 points, T:822, killed by a drow matron of Kiaransali, while praying 22:19 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 298 points, T:633, killed by a gnome 22:20 -!- bugsniper has joined #hardfought 22:23 [hdf-us] [xnh] mobius (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1128 points, T:2580, quit 22:25 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Dro-Rog Dro Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1449 22:26 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 5653 points, T:1734, killed by a watch captain 22:29 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Dro-Rog Dro Fem Cha) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:617 22:31 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Ran Elf Mal Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:170 22:32 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:34 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 14663 points, T:2109, killed by an invisible quinon 22:37 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Dro-Rog Dro Fem Cha) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:920 22:38 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 1345 points, T:1122, killed by a hobgoblin 22:38 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) destroyed the Lokoban Pinata, on T:2035 22:40 I'm glad there's a feature in nh4 that reminds me to eat 22:41 in-game, I mean.  Reminding myself to eat IRL is my own responsibility. 22:41 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Dro-Rog Dro Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1541 22:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] kscheirer (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:4974 22:43 -!- bugsniper has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:43 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 3720 points, T:1808, killed by Mr. Izchak, the shopkeeper 22:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Dro-Rog Dro Fem Cha) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:998 22:47 !lastgame kame4 2 22:47 magnetor: No last game for (kame4,2). 22:48 ah, I'll look at the documentation later 22:48 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) entered the adventure town for the first time, on T:3222 22:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] OpticSugar (Bar Hum Mal Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:2625 22:50 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Dro-Rog Dro Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1607 22:51 >:( 22:51 trollsbane rando spawned 23:04 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Dro-Rog Dro Fem Cha) was given the Lash of the Cold Waste, on T:6785 23:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 4548 points, T:5541, killed by a rope golem 23:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] OpticSugar (Bar Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a werejackal, on T:5264 23:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 588 points, T:1108, killed by a gnome king 23:17 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 738 points, T:1304, killed by the Goblin King 23:17 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Ran Elf Mal Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1 23:18 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 0 points, T:24, killed by an elven arrow 23:18 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Ran Elf Mal Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:21 23:20 [hdf-us] [dnh] kame4 (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 64682 points, T:10725, killed by Zuggtmoy 23:27 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 294 points, T:1367, poisoned by a gnome zombie 23:28 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Ran Elf Mal Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:25 23:28 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 0 points, T:28, killed by a Green-elf, while praying 23:28 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Ran Elf Mal Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:48 23:29 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 5 points, T:51, killed by an elven arrow, while sleeping 23:29 [hdf-us] [evil] gpsalmoncannon (Ran Elf Mal Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:12 23:31 [hdf-us] [xnh] xNHRN (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) chosen to take lives for the Glory of Anhur, on T:91986 23:31 [hdf-us] [xnh] xNHRN (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) bestowed with spellbook of finger of death, on T:91986 23:35 -!- shadowrider38 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:36 [hdf-au] [nh370] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) was bestowed with Fire Brand by Thoth, on T:56764 23:47 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 23:58 [hdf-us] [dnh] leogorerd (Hea Swn Fem Neu) averted death, on T:3365 23:58 [hdf-au] [nh370] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) became Thoth's Envoy of Balance, on T:57300 23:58 [hdf-au] [nh370] Grasshopper (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) was bestowed with spellbook of finger of death, on T:57300 23:59 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:59 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought