00:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] sleepnasty (Ran Elf Mal Cha) found Dragonbane in a shop, on T:1155 00:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] sleepnasty (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 310 points, T:1408, killed by a gecko, while frozen by a floating eye's gaze 00:36 -!- winny has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] laura (Rog Orc Fem Cha) became literate by engraving "f", on T:4056 00:41 Remember, kids: 00:41 pudding farming crashes paper mario 00:41 <@Bubbles> Aww... reminds me that Stryder7x is probably never going to make another video. 😢 00:42 -!- winny has joined #hardfought 00:43 rip 00:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] haldisse (Bar Hum Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:47841 00:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] laura (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 2043 points, T:4193, killed by a bolt of lightning 01:07 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 342480 points, T:28422, killed by a rock troll 01:12 [hdf-us] [dnh] Abdlabl (Dro-Rog Dro Fem Cha) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:5055 01:14 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:21 [hdf-us] [xnh] xNHRN (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:9032 01:33 [hdf-us] [dnh] Abdlabl (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 27496 points, T:6014, quit 01:48 [hdf-us] [dnh] Abdlabl (Dro-Rog Dro Fem Cha) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:2733 01:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] OpticSugar (Bar Hum Mal Cha) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3178 01:53 -!- Guest566 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] OpticSugar (Bar Hum Mal Cha), 1691 points, T:3970, killed by a soldier ant 02:10 [hdf-us] [dnh] Abdlabl (Dro-Rog Dro Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:8212 02:10 [hdf-us] [xnh] xNHRN (Val Dwa Fem Law), 7910 points, T:9331, quit 02:35 -!- winny has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:36 -!- winny has joined #hardfought 02:41 [hdf-us] [dnh] Abdlabl (Dro-Rog Dro Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:10490 02:41 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:46 -!- winny has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:47 -!- winny has joined #hardfought 02:48 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 02:53 [hdf-us] [slth] shadowrider38 (Hac Dop Mal Neu) killed the ghost of Ride, the former Expediter, on T:5266 03:01 just came across https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiMinixSXII - never played dnd before but i recognised some of the monsters in it from nethack :) 03:02 -!- winny has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:02 -!- winny has joined #hardfought 03:03 found the entrance to the wizard's tower, and a hawaiian shirt! never found a shirt before! 03:03 The design features water nymphs on a black background. 03:04 \o/ 03:04 that's a nice one to boost your AC even more! 03:06 mobileuser: yes indeed! no enchant armor scrolls thoguh, will have to write some 03:15 !whereis Moult 03:15 Moult: [hdf-au] Moult [nh370]: (Val Dwa Fem Law) T:56957 Gehennom level: 50 03:15 this is going to be a deep dungeon! 03:19 -!- winny has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:21 [hdf-us] [dnh] Abdlabl (Dro-Rog Dro Fem Cha) was given the Limb of the Black Tree, on T:15219 03:21 [hdf-us] [xnh] xNHRN (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3025 03:23 [hdf-us] [dnh] Abdlabl (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 120309 points, T:15423, burned by a fireball 03:23 -!- winny has joined #hardfought 03:28 DL52. is this the deepest the game could ever be? 03:30 I believe so 03:30 53 will be the Sanctum then 03:33 <@Shadow_Rider> mobileuser have you played any doppelgangers in slashthem? 03:35 no, only humans 03:36 <@Shadow_Rider> oh interesting nvm 03:36 <@Shadow_Rider> any reason for that? 03:39 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AnG04qnLqI 03:43 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 197 points, T:317, killed by a grid bug 03:46 shadow_rider laziness :-) 03:46 haven't looked into doppelgangers yet 03:47 mobileuser: wow, this will be an incredible run if i make it 03:49 <@Shadow_Rider> heheh nothing wrong with that 03:49 <@Shadow_Rider> Moult is this the same game youve been working on for a while? 03:49 shadow, yep, sorry very slow 03:50 <@Shadow_Rider> lol nothing to be sorry about 03:51 <@Shadow_Rider> i dont know a single person that did not go slow as heck their first asc 03:55 [hdf-eu] [xnh] Raisse (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) bestowed with Magicbane by Thoth, on T:9578 03:58 [hdf-eu] [xnh] Raisse (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:10387 04:05 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:06 [hdf-us] [slth] shadowrider38 (Hac Dop Mal Neu) killed the Beholder, on T:18381 04:16 [hdf-us] [evil] mobileuser (Kni Cen Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:2443 04:16 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:3336 04:18 uhoh, lost my ring of levitation 04:21 * bugsniper lends Moult my potion of levitation 04:21 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 04:21 bugsniper: thanks :) 04:23 You find a vibrating square. 04:24 ok. found the vibrating square, found the entrance to yendor. it's time to go back to the stash and plan out the equipment for the ascension run :D 04:27 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 04:29 [hdf-eu] [xnh] Raisse (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Sokoban amulet of reflection, on T:14778 04:37 uhoh, without the ring of levitation i can't go back up 04:38 It's Moloch's Sanctum, not Yendor, and also you should've done all that before actually performing the invocation. 04:38 [hdf-eu] [xnh] Raisse (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:16488 04:38 Umbire: hmm? i haven't performed the invocation 04:39 Then what's stopping you from making it back up? 04:39 Umbire: i mean i found the vibrating square, as well as the entrance to the wizards tower on another level 04:39 Umbire: i can't go back through the castle 04:39 moult do you have teleport control? 04:39 mobileuser: nope 04:39 <@Shadow_Rider> there’s water walking boots at vlads 04:40 [hdf-us] [4k] malor (Shi Val Fem Neu) entered the Minetown temple, on T:2820 04:40 shadow: ahh yes 04:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] chip (Mon Hum Mal Cha) destroyed StubbyBeast's ghost, the former Kunoichi, on T:11948 04:41 for future games: get your hands on a ring of teleport control and cursed scrolls of teleportation :-) 04:42 mobileuser: i might be able to for this game, once i ID my stash 04:43 thanks :) the water walking boots worked! 04:44 <@Shadow_Rider> nice :) or you could do my favorite strategy of confused teleport scrolls and hope that you land somewhere close to where you want to go 04:45 just get lucky, works for me - luckyrider38 04:47 <@Shadow_Rider> it’s simple really 04:48 Shadow is that a strategy for the ascension run? when back in DL50 to randomly teleport yourself upwards? 04:49 [hdf-eu] [xnh] Raisse (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 16414 points, T:18030, killed by an owlbear 04:50 <@Shadow_Rider> no sadly levelport is completely suppressed for asc run 04:51 <@Shadow_Rider> it’s just one of my usually suspicious janky strategies to cut corners 04:54 -!- Merlek has joined #hardfought 04:59 -!- bugsniper has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:00 ok, i've emptied out my BoH and back at the stash: https://pastebin.com/raw/QVy1S4VT - 6 pages worth of hoard. any advice on what i should bring/drink/enchant/wish before i make the trip down to yendor and beyond? :) 05:01 i've got 2 zaps on a wand of wishing left, as well as a blessed magic lamp. 05:01 also an unused magic marker 05:04 The magic lamp is handy as a light source. Have you got a source for confusion? You seem to have 3 scrolls of gold detection, get at least one more to locate the portals on the planes when confused. 05:06 Merlek: what's the light source for? 05:06 It's nice to be able to see in the dark :D 05:07 Merlek: ah ok. i have a forgotten spell as a source of confusion 05:08 Nice, you should be all set then :) 05:08 First ascension run? 05:09 Merlek: yep 05:10 Take is slow. Very slow :) 05:11 Merlek: that's the plan! 05:11 i should bring some holy water and remove curse, i think? to protect against cursing? 05:12 1 or 2 holy waters is good against cursing for your bag, blessed ?oRC is sufficient for everything else 05:12 and i've heard ring of free action is good, maybe to protect against things paralysing me? 05:12 Yeah, a few blessed scrolls of remove curse/holy water is always good to have. 05:12 and some lembas wafers or similar for famine? 05:12 in principle you can get away without free action but if you can poly or wish for it I'd suggest it honestly 05:13 amateurhour: i've got one 05:13 nothing worse than some weenie throwing para potion at you and watching yourself die 05:13 ah right nice 05:13 I mean you don't even need that, just a single hostile priest is enough. 05:13 Remember that your rings aren't set in stone: you can switch between rings you have and they weigh basically nothing 05:13 should i get a ring of levitation? or are boots of levitation better? (less chance of zapped when in the plane of air) 05:15 !whereis Moult 05:15 magnetor: [hdf-au] Moult [nh370]: (Val Dwa Fem Law) T:60177 The Dungeons of Doom level: 8 05:15 either is fine 05:15 going with boots forgoes speed boots, but air elementals are always going to be faster than you anyway 05:16 <@Shadow_Rider> free action optional 🤡 05:16 i've also got amulet of life saving, but i need reflection, i guess i can swap it out if things get hairy? 05:16 <@Shadow_Rider> okay just wanted to say it once 05:17 <@Shadow_Rider> it would be nice to wear life saving 05:17 <@Shadow_Rider> but reflection is kinda important 05:18 It comes down to where you can slot it. 05:19 is there any advantage to bringing a drum vs a bugle? 05:19 Life saving isn't very helpful if you're just gonna get beamed again, IMO 05:19 reflection can save you from zaps, life-saving can save you from yourself 05:19 As a valk I'd personally SDSM/CoMR if at all possible. 05:19 Also bugles don't deafen you. 05:20 ok bugle it is 05:20 <@Shadow_Rider> drum has better range 05:20 <@Shadow_Rider> and heavy 05:21 Yeah, the bugle's also lighter, but the drum has better range. 05:21 drum is also cooler because drummers are cool 05:21 Trying to remember... an uncharged drum of earthquake works the same but doesn't deafen you. 05:22 Anyway, making food and doing wiki shit in a minute, 05:22 busy I will be. 05:22 i'm planning to use the marker to write some enchant armor scrolls for the hawaiian shirt. is that good idea? maybe write a ?oGoldDetection first 05:22 I should probably head to bed 05:22 it's 3 in the morning where I'm at 05:23 <@Shadow_Rider> It’s 4:22 where for me 05:23 <@Shadow_Rider> sleep is for the weak 05:23 but I like sleep :( 05:23 <@Shadow_Rider> Moult use it on enchant armor/charging first 05:23 <@Shadow_Rider> I like sleep too 05:24 Shadow isn't finding traps more important? 05:24 <@Shadow_Rider> but such a waste of time 05:24 Shadow i've got 5 scrolls of charging 05:24 <@Shadow_Rider> what’s your marker at 05:24 Shadow 0:88 05:24 <@Shadow_Rider> lol ur fine it doesn’t really matter what you use it on 05:25 <@Shadow_Rider> you can do both 05:25 [hdf-us] [4k] malor (Shi Val Fem Neu) unlocked the elven race by using stairs in Sokoban, on T:5052 05:26 <@Shadow_Rider> cockatrice corpse nice for astral 05:26 <@Shadow_Rider> so maybe cursed genocide scroll 05:26 <@Shadow_Rider> also what level are you 05:29 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:30 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 05:31 !whereis 05:31 magnetor: !whereis - finds a player in the dungeon. 05:31 rip, general whereis doesn't just immediately flood my dms 05:32 Shadow xl15, dl7 right now 05:32 ok, buffed up my AC to -39 thanks to the shirt 05:41 [hdf-us] [4k] malor (Shi Val Fem Neu) entered the Sokoban zoo, on T:6514 05:41 [hdf-us] [4k] malor (Shi Val Fem Neu) unlocked the Knight role by completing Sokoban without cheating, on T:6514 05:41 [hdf-us] [4k] malor (Shi Val Fem Neu) unlocked the horse name option by completing Sokoban without cheating, on T:6514 05:47 [hdf-us] [4k] malor (Shi Val Fem Neu) unlocked the orcish race by entering a throne room, on T:6883 05:56 more than good enough Moult 05:58 amateurhour: now got HP306 after alchemy :) 06:09 also more than good enough :) 06:10 I keep crashing NH4 :/ 06:10 maybe I should go to bed 06:11 also, Moult: you have more than enough defenses to take on endgame. Do you have enough /oD to instagib Rodney whenever he shows up? 06:12 crashing it as in the game quits from a bug? 06:12 more or less 06:12 you can watch my game if you want to find out, I'm not changing my routine much 06:12 magnetor: i have 2 /oD, 0:6 and 0:3, and 3 uncursed ?oCharging, and 2 cursed ?ocharging 06:12 any idea if it's a known crash? 06:13 magnetor: is that enough death? 06:13 I think it was mentioned as a known crash for some servers, as opposed to offline clients; I'm generating a lot of death drops 06:14 yeah, given a decent ascension speed, you should be able to kill him whenever he shows up 06:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] chip (Mon Hum Mal Cha) was bestowed with Sting by Huan Ti, on T:13179 06:18 [hdf-us] [4k] malor (Shi Val Fem Neu) unlocked the Healer role by receiving holy water as a result of prayer, on T:8100 06:21 magnetor: thanks :) 06:21 ok, i've finished selecting my kit. how does this look? did i forget anything? https://pastebin.com/raw/MQrCCeJ8 06:22 I'm actually heading to bed rn, I'll check it in 8 hours if nobody else does 06:22 sorry, lol 06:23 hehehe no worries, i don't think i'll be able to do the full run tonight anyway :) maybe i'll make it up to rodney and zap him at most 06:23 * Moult is giddy with excitement 06:23 -!- magnetor has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 06:28 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 06:29 for rodney, i assume a single zap should be enough. but for the sanctum and planes, should i be trying to fight, or just trying to escape the horde? do i really have the strength to whack and kill everyone as i've been doing so far? 06:32 that's a bad assumption 06:32 the death ray often misses 06:33 aosdict: oh ok. so rodney might take a few zaps? what about the rest of the endgame folks? dodge or fight? 06:34 <@malor> You will have no trouble with killing monsters on the planes. Air Elementals will take a couple hits, but the rest will be easy. 06:34 on the asc run in general you want to avoid combat. things tend to spawn faster on the planes than they can be dispatched. however, certainly you can get rid of a monster in your way here and there 06:34 <@malor> dodging, especially with a tooled horn or wand of teleport is always advisable. 06:35 I usually save the teleport wands for astral 06:35 <@malor> don't fight if you don't need to do so. But don't try to figure out a path where you can do that where it takes substantially more time and therefore spawns more potential monsters. 06:35 <@malor> also do you have some full healing potions, those are close to "AoL" in terms of effectiveness in the ascension run. 06:36 <@malor> I always majorly overstock them 🙂 06:38 [hdf-us] [4k] malor (Shi Val Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased fireproof +2 cloak of magic resistance", on T:8247 06:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] wispofvapor (Val Hum Fem Law) murdered Red McGraw, her faithful mastodon, on T:68477 06:41 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Kni Hum Mal Cha), 1751316 points, T:99692, killed by brainlessness 06:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] wispofvapor (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:68515 06:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] wispofvapor (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:68519 06:51 -!- terrarian_51 has joined #hardfought 06:52 -!- terrarian_51 has quit [Client Quit] 06:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] chip (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:14892 06:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] chip (Mon Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "2 blessed greased fixed scrolls of charging", got "a greased scroll labeled ABRA KA DABRA", on T:14920 07:00 [hdf-us] [4k] malor (Shi Val Fem Neu) entered the Rogue tribute level, on T:9448 07:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 07:03 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (illithids), on T:1 07:03 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a scroll of genocide 07:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) murdered her faithful kitten, on T:1 07:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 126 points, T:187, killed by a gnome 07:06 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Kni Hum Nbn Law), 69 points, T:277, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 07:07 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Kni Dwa Mal Law), 13 points, T:126, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 07:08 malor thanks, for the advice. i only have a couple wands of teleport unfortunately. but i'll bring them and pick up any i see along the way. 07:09 [hdf-au] [slth] Umbire (Fir Inc Mal Neu), 198 points, T:382, killed by a jackal 07:09 malor i have 7 blessed full healings, and 6 extra healings 07:10 aosdict: also thanks for the advice :) i'll try to avoid getting bogged down in attacking 07:10 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Kni Dwa Nbn Law), 431 points, T:603, killed by a land mine 07:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 219 points, T:57, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 07:11 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Kni Dwa Mal Law), 0 points, T:26, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 07:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] MoonPig (Rog Hum Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2324 07:21 the 6 extra healings probably won't be worth saving, they won't give enough hp in a pinch. feel like you'd be better off quaffing them for the hp max increase 07:22 Or alchemizing, if at all possible. 07:23 <@malor> 7 full healing in vanilla is more than enough. 07:23 aosdict: ah ok, i can alchemize them 07:24 <@malor> but if you alchemize those Extra healing, I would carry those new full healing anyway. Increasing your max hp is basically nothing now, but getting from 80 back to 300 is HUGE potential. 07:25 <@malor> and ending the game with a dozen full healing shows Vecna that he cannot win. 07:25 Vecna? 07:25 i've got gain level, should i use them to alchemize extra healing into full healing, or keep them separate? 07:25 <@malor> that's just whom I chose as the unseen nemesis :). Stranger Things. 07:26 <@malor> if you have a few spare gain level, using ONE of those for the alchemy is fine. 07:26 wow spoilers now I know vecna is in it 07:26 <@malor> some players do NOT like to gain levels after 14, so not sure what the optimal strategy is there. 07:26 malor i have 5 gain level. 2 blessed, 3 uncursed 07:26 @malor carrying around 13 full healings is probably a weight factor? that's 260 weight 07:27 <@malor> I would turn the 3 uncursed into "cursed" in case you have a trouble situation during the run back through the castle. 07:27 <@malor> then use one of the blessed to get more full heal. 07:27 all of this is just overpreparation :P I'm too lazy I would just yolo with what you got 07:27 <@malor> not really, in the bag 13 full heal is one quarter of that. Not huge. 07:27 it's not even really a yolo as you have great ac and supplies 07:27 amateurhour: hahahaha first run! 07:28 I am in team overpreparation 07:28 <@malor> yeah, you are 99.99% likely to ascend. But I agree with going full Porkman mode. Even for your first few ascensions 🙂 07:28 carry 15 full healing and only ever use 1 07:28 <@malor> I have a couple hundred ascensions and I would be doing everything I am telling you to do 🙂 07:28 <@malor> yep, that's me too mobileuser. 07:29 malor i have no means of cursing the gain level potions i think 07:29 whilst stood on the altar to ascend: better not drink this potion I might need it later! 07:29 <@malor> examples: https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/m/malor/dnethack/dumplog/1655041211.dnh.txt https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/m/malor/nethack/dumplog/1656355507.nh.txt (12 left at the end) 07:29 <@malor> preach it brother amateurhour. 07:29 haha I will sometimes just drink all the FH potions on the altar just because 07:29 <@malor> 31 left at the end of that dnh game, but that's a different variant where you get a lot more full healing. 07:30 in dnh it's easy (and fun) to overprepare because you just do all the optional content which is relaxing and nice 07:30 <@malor> if you can't curse it that's fine Moult. Just drink them after you finish your alchemy. Unless you are of the opinion that "more levels is bad". Which I've never found to be true, but I'm not certain on that one. 07:31 that famously relaxed neutral quest 07:32 <@malor> Amateurhour or Mobileuser can probably tell you if "extra levels are good" in vanilla. 07:32 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 16251 points, T:3666, killed by a gnome lord 07:32 I usually quaff left over gain level potions when I reach astral 07:33 <@malor> Moult make sure to keep your potions in you Bag of Holding so a fire trap doesn't destroy them. 07:33 hoping that lower level means less chance of archons 07:33 it's not a huge difference in archon spawn rate iirc 07:33 my paranoia then :-) 07:33 <@malor> Ah, ok, then do that Moult. Mobileuser is the best player PERIOD when it comes to beating the game consistently so that's the best advice. 07:33 it's non-zero but I don't think it's that big 07:34 ok, i'll just keep the gain level separate and quaff when/if i reach astral 07:34 hey mobileuser why don't you use your alt account, Tariru, anymore? :) 07:34 <@malor> Mobileuser has a 41% win rate, so listen to what is said! 07:34 malor thanks for the advice i'll keep everything in the BoH until i need it 07:34 <@malor> you will reach astral. 07:34 a very minor detal that 07:34 I'm already sorry I said that :b 07:35 <@malor> on astral I generally keep one out for quicker usage, but sometimes I don't even do that, fearing to lose one of my precious potions of healing that I might somehow need 🙂 07:35 ok. i'm goign to take a quick break to give my rabbit medicine then time to descend to meet rodney 07:35 <@malor> nice, you have this. Just play slowly and watch your "messages" for delayed insta-death stuff or mind flayer / brain eating nonsense or whatever else exists in game that isn't obvious by your HP bar. 07:35 you'll be fine 👌 07:36 if anything starts going wrong at any point take your fingers off the keyboard 07:37 <@malor> yeah, that's the absolute best advice, copying here again for emphasis: "if anything starts going wrong at any point take your fingers off the keyboard" And then after you do that alt-tab over to this channel again and describe your situation. Experts will tell you your best survival pathway. Which is likely "face tank" it. Not really, but "face tanking" will likely be the last technique you need at your power level 🙂 07:40 YANI monsters can activate statue traps 07:42 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Dra Dro Mal Cha), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled baby orange dragon 07:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] MoonPig (Rog Hum Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:4176 07:45 I've wondered if statue traps wouldn't be better off reimplemented as a monster using the monster appearance code for mimics, appearing as a statue of itself 07:45 there are all sorts of weird little inconsistencies with how they work now 07:46 e.g. it's a real statue, potentially containing spellbooks; if you teleport it off you can get at the spellbooks. if you toss a statue of a newt on top of it, it becomes a newt when activated - so much for the "monster posing as a statue", right? 07:47 malor amateurhour ok :D will do! time for the dive! 07:48 aosdict I never knew that! interesting 07:49 that's something you can do in the law quest in slashem to avoid archlich statue trap 07:49 when getting the -11 GDSM or whatever it is on that square 07:49 TIL 07:50 statue trap like mimic: would that mean ESP/telepathy reveals them? 07:50 -!- winny has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 07:51 the statue item could be trapped alternatively instead I suppose 07:53 * Moult enters the wizard's tower 07:54 NetHack 370-hdf updated (all servers) 07:54 -!- winny has joined #hardfought 07:54 ^ this does not affect your game Moult 07:54 you're on an older editlevel version 07:54 <@malor> !who 07:54 @malor: [hdf-eu] Raisse [xnh] HarmathZsolt [slshm] | [hdf-us] WizzyTheWeird [nh370] krm26 [evil] lgxia [evil] | [hdf-au] Moult [nh370] 07:55 K2: thanks :) i assume it means the next game includes changes like the fixed magic trap and valk starting with spear 07:56 <@malor> do you have no cloak? 07:56 yes 07:56 and knockback 07:56 and demonbane changes 07:56 malor i have a cloak of protection 07:57 <@malor> why don't I see that in your onscreen inventory? 07:57 mobileuser: while that would kind of remove the surprise factor, it would be consistent 07:57 malor are you watching my game? 07:58 <@malor> yes 07:58 <@malor> oh there it is. 07:58 another internally consistent model could be that it IS a legitimate statue, and the trap activates magic that stone-to-fleshes it. but in order to make this consistent, searching and getting "You find a monster posing as a statue" would have to be removed. 07:58 whoops, accidentally copypasted random text into the terminal 07:58 <@malor> I think it was just an interface screw that I had when I first went into watch mode with a screen too small. 07:59 malor sorry, i'm playing full screen (using ratpoison as a wm) 08:00 i'm not sure how others can play in the original 80x24 mode, i like to see what i have in my inventory all the time. scrolling on 24 rows takes a while 08:00 <@malor> yeah, you are close to "peak power level" other than not being able to wear your AoL. But that is unlikely to matter. Don't appologize, that is optimal. I don't do it, because I didn't realize it was possible until I was already happy with how my terminal looked and didn't try to add to it 🙂 08:00 ggggggggggggggg 08:00 <@malor> yeah, be a bit careful with them. You don't want to accidentally lose "fire resist". 08:01 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Kni Hum Mal Law) received Excalibur from a strange woman laying about in a pond, on T:4800 08:01 malor yep, so i'm letting them come to me one by one and hopefully with my speed i can kill them first 08:03 wait, is his tower only 2 levels deep 08:03 K2: I've got 3.7 games going that I haven't touced for ages, any risk of those getting unplayable due to updates? 08:04 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Kni Hum Mal Law) had a pair of leather gloves entrusted to him by Lugh, on T:5146 08:05 Merlek no 08:06 any games on an older version, you dont cut over to newest version until the older game is complete (die or ascend) 08:06 K2: thanks, I'll keep not playing them for a while longer then :D 08:06 :) 08:07 there are some 370-hdf saved games that havent been finished in almost 3 yrs 08:08 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 08:10 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 08:12 note to self: nalfeshnees can wake up a zoo. danger danger. 08:15 Moult: you should be able to clear that pretty easily :) 08:16 Merlek: luckily i did :) also note to self that i should wear free action to prevent paralysis 08:17 Moult: Yeah, if you've got the ring keep it on. 08:18 Merlek: sounds good! i've put it on now 08:18 ok about to face rodney 08:19 Moult: do you have any wands of death? quickest way to dispose of rodney 08:19 Merlek: yes i do 08:20 -!- hackemslashem has joined #hardfought 08:21 -!- ChrisANG has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:22 [hdf-au] [nh370] Moult (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:61986 08:23 \o/ 08:23 [hdf-au] [nh370] Moult (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:61994 08:23 \o/ 08:23 Moult: if you've got some (blessed) scrolls of charging to keep the wand going, zap him with it as soon as he shows his face. 08:23 nice one :) 08:23 Merlek: yep i'm got some charging scrolls, and another /oD 08:23 i'm burdened though, maybe i brought too much junk 08:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Kni Hum Fem Law), 12285 points, T:7663, killed by a water moccasin 08:25 any opinions on what to drop? 08:25 Moult: you most likely did, but better safe than sorry :D just drop a potion or some food if you have enough of it. 08:25 !whereis moult 08:25 nabru: [hdf-au] Moult [nh370]: (Val Dwa Fem Law) T:61831 Gehennom level: 46 08:26 Moult: I would drop the amulets of ESP, unchanging, vs poison 08:26 and would only keep one ring of each 08:27 nabru Merlek thanks :) unburdened now :) 08:27 Moult: and you've got a lot of food, you could easily drop half of it and still have plenty. 08:27 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Kni Hum Mal Law), 4563 points, T:7091, killed by a tortle shaman, while paralyzed by a monster 08:27 so now to the vibrating square! 08:29 [hdf-us] [4k] malor (Shi Val Fem Neu) reached the bottom of the Mines, on T:11452 08:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Kni Hum Fem Law) found Cleaver on the floor, on T:381 08:32 how do i actually attach candles to the candleabrum? 08:32 just apply them 08:32 Merlek: apply the candle? or the candleabrum? 08:32 the candles 08:33 you'll get a prompt asking if you want to attach them to the candelabrum 08:33 Merlek: thanks! that worked! 08:33 :) 08:33 might be worth adding to the wiki 08:34 It's already there. 08:34 [hdf-au] [nh370] Moult (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:62236 08:35 Umbire: ah yes, sorry i was on the wrong page, found it 08:35 also \o/ down to the sanctum! 08:36 You feel vaguely nervous. 08:36 ^ yes, yes i do 08:37 suspiciously deserted in the sanctum? 08:37 :D just keep calm 08:38 should i completely clear the graveyard? 08:38 nah i wouldn't bother 08:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:1846 08:39 reminder that from the point you killed the wizard the more turns you dilly or dally the more opportunities the wizard has to come back and annoy you 08:39 at this point in the game you just want to keep moving 08:40 [hdf-us] [evil] mobileuser (Kni Cen Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:4116 08:40 at this point you want to do the invocation ASAP 08:41 uhoh 08:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Kni Hum Fem Law), 670 points, T:1443, killed by a bugbear 08:42 [hdf-au] [nh370] Moult (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:62402 08:42 [hdf-au] [nh370] Moult (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:62405 08:42 can i drop the book bell and candle 08:42 yupp 08:42 and name the amulet REAL or something 08:43 or you might not notice rodney swapping it for a fake one 08:43 I like to name the amulet The Real Deal 08:44 -!- Semilg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:44 i'd keep a wand of death in open inventory, you want to deal with rodney as quickly as possible when he shows up 08:44 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 5195 points, T:1490, killed by a parrot 08:45 ok, back up to gehennom 08:45 now i just go all the back to DL1 08:45 yupp 08:45 yep 08:45 * Moult breathes a sigh 08:45 don't worry, you got this 08:46 You sense your surroundings. (For instructions type a '?') 08:46 what's that? 08:47 <@malor> the amulet of yendor has a mapping ability. 08:48 malor but what am i expected to select? 08:48 <@malor> it will find portals also, but you are better off with gold detection in vanilla. 08:48 <@malor> I think just tab or return through it. 08:48 just press . i think 08:48 or what malor said :) 08:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2661 08:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 3 points, T:34, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 08:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law) found Grimtooth on the floor, on T:31 08:50 It's clairvoyance. 08:51 You can also play hot-and-cold using the Amulet to find the portals in the Planes, though you'll much prefer crystal balls or confused gold detection. 08:51 Umbire: cheers, just confused what i'm expected to select 08:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 292 points, T:1291, killed by a giant rat, while reading a book 08:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 212 points, T:312, killed by a gnome 08:52