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05:30 I wanted to pick up a red gem and fell into water 05:30 but if the gem was underwater, then why did I see it? 05:30 !lastgame 05:30 FIQ: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/F/FIQ/evilhack/dumplog/1653124980.evil.html | [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/O/OpticSugar/nethack/dumplog/1653087783.nh.html | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arahael/evilhack/dumplog/1653042673.evil.html 05:31 oh I didn't fall into water 05:31 just didn't notice the jellyfish I guess 05:32 [hdf-us] [ndnh] gpsalmoncannon (Mad Vam Mal Cha), 1220 points, T:1500, killed by a garo 05:32 [hdf-eu] [nh370] rustyspoon (Val Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a shark, on T:14745 05:33 what is the origin of Ptoh? 05:33 I googled it and I just see caves of qud results 05:33 probably because I recently played it lol 05:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] UltraBloxX (Cav Dwa Mal Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4881 05:35 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 4920 points, T:4787, killed by a dwarf queen 05:38 [hdf-eu] [nh370] rustyspoon (Val Hum Mal Law) bestowed with Mjollnir by Tyr, on T:15906 05:39 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 97 points, T:441, killed by a goblin, while fainted from lack of food 05:39 [hdf-eu] [nh370] rustyspoon (Val Hum Mal Law) made his first wish - "blessed greased +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:15977 05:39 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 12 points, T:176, killed by a goblin 05:52 -!- nurdglaw has joined #hardfought 05:54 FIQ, it's Ptah, and he's ancient Egyptian. 05:54 !wl Ptah 05:54 -!- ang3l has joined #hardfought 05:55 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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(www.adiirc.com)] 08:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] UltraBloxX (Cav Dwa Mal Law) murdered Tina, his faithful hill orc, on T:6599 08:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Pri Elf Fem Cha) murdered Toonces, the cat who could drive a car,, her faithful housecat, on T:39679 08:14 [hdf-us] [evil] musicdemon (Ran Cen Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:33140 08:17 <@nabru> poor Toonces 08:19 i don't know what she has against pets, really 08:23 -!- b93 has joined #hardfought 08:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] UltraBloxX (Cav Dwa Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:7070 08:26 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Trt Fem Law) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of reflection, on T:17086 08:28 teleport stun :( 08:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] UltraBloxX (Cav Dwa Mal Law) murdered his faithful large cat, on T:7206 08:29 I was careless ttrying to get them all thru 08:29 -!- lxlldr has joined #hardfought 08:30 -!- b93 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:31 at this rate tho, cats and dogs may go extinct 08:33 I locked Petey and Snuffles up with the Arch Priest.  That way if they get hungry, they have some food 08:34 cbus hi 08:34 you around? 08:34 !tell cbus game is recovered 08:34 Will do, K2! 08:38 thanks! 08:38 cbus: Message from K2 at 2022-05-21 08:34 EDT: game is recovered 08:39 am around but just about to head out 08:42 cool 08:42 just wanted to let ya know 08:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] UltraBloxX (Cav Dwa Mal Law), 6236 points, T:7511, killed by a bolt of cold 08:45 interesting crash occurring now with 370-hdf, looks to be happening while in curses mode - https://termbin.com/0nsg 08:47 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:4532 08:49 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Mad Hum Mal Cha), 411 points, T:599, killed by a coyote 08:52 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Dwa Fem Law) defeated the invisible Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:74913 08:54 something about the array to redraw the map? I'm not to get sucked into this! 08:57 -!- nabru has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in] 08:57 -!- nabru has joined #hardfought 08:58 -!- cernixs has joined #hardfought 08:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 109 points, T:293, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 08:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Pri Elf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Canoness (level 18), on T:41099 09:00 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Wiz Hum Nbn Cha), 309 points, T:430, killed by a system shock 09:00 !ping 09:00 nabru: Pong! 09:09 [hdf-eu] [nh370] NetSysFire (Pri Hum Fem Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:7500 09:12 [hdf-us] [ndnh] sflicht (Ana Gno Mal Neu) entered the adventure town for the first time, on T:2452 09:13 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Mad Hum Mal Neu), 5218 points, T:1841, killed by a water moccasin 09:15 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Mad Hum Mal Cha), 119 points, T:357, killed by a newt 09:16 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Wiz Hum Nbn Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a system shock 09:16 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Trt Fem Law), 144270 points, T:22394, petrified by a cockatrice 09:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 270 points, T:992, killed by a giant mimic 09:18 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Mad Hum Mal Cha), 259 points, T:517, killed by a marid 09:18 [hdf-eu] [nh370] NetSysFire (Pri Hum Fem Cha), 3507 points, T:12263, killed by a hill orc, while fainted from lack of food 09:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) became literate by naming Sting, on T:393 09:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 89 points, T:138, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 09:22 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Mad Hum Mal Law), 962 points, T:678, killed by a gnome lord 09:22 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Kni Dwa Fem Law), 59 points, T:141, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 09:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 0 points, T:2, killed by a system shock 09:22 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Wiz Dro Mal Neu) murdered his faithful kitten, on T:1 09:23 -!- Semilg has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:24 -!- 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time, on T:11440 10:28 -!- Semilg has joined #hardfought 10:28 -!- ChrisANG has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Bar Orc Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:505 10:41 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +3 bone gauntlets of power", on T:18246 10:41 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Trt Mal Neu) destroyed Vecna, on T:49588 10:41 [hdf-us] [slth] dnnk (Wiz Dro Fem Law), 5142 points, T:2823, killed by a giant mimic 10:43 [hdf-us] [evil] musicdemon (Ran Cen Mal Cha), 308204 points, T:35029, choked on a yeti corpse 10:45 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:20352 10:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 0 points, T:22, killed by a cadaver 10:51 <@nabru> !lastgame wizzytheweird 10:51 @nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/W/WizzyTheWeird/nethack/dumplog/1653144491.nh.html 10:51 <@nabru> Ah 10:51 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Con Ith Fem Cha), 13990 points, T:21721, killed by an Uruk-hai 10:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:1, killed by kicking a wall 10:52 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Cha), 0 points, T:3, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 10:58 [hdf-us] [un] hothraxxa (Cav Dwa Fem Law) entered Vlad's tower, on T:45614, rt[1 day, 1:46:42] 11:02 [hdf-us] [un] hothraxxa (Cav Dwa Fem Law) genocided arch-liches, on T:45707, rt[1 day, 1:50:01] 11:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:1173 11:10 [hdf-us] [un] hothraxxa (Cav Dwa Fem Law) killed Vlad the Impaler, on T:45919 11:14 -!- ang3l has joined #hardfought 11:15 [hdf-us] [nh343] Disco (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a vampire lord, on T:30385 11:23 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Dra Hum Nbn Neu), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled baby white dragon 11:28 [hdf-us] [dnh] slapdashtrout (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:5246 11:28 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Trt Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:4322 11:29 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:10846 11:30 well if that shopperkeeper is going to stay mad at me for that little love tap with stormbringer 100000 moves ago, I might as well steal everything he has 11:30 [hdf-us] [dnh] slapdashtrout (Sam Hum Mal Law), 4455 points, T:5332, quit 11:31 !whereis PetraKelly 11:31 nabru: [hdf-us] PetraKelly [nh370]: (Pri Elf Fem Cha) T:43352 The Dungeons of Doom level: 11 11:31 [hdf-us] [evil] musicdemon (Ran Cen Mal Neu), 2405 points, T:2371, killed by a hill orc 11:31 [hdf-us] [nh343] Disco (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered Gehennom for the first time, on T:31088 11:33 -!- ang3l has quit [Quit: Client closed] 11:35 [hdf-us] [dnh] Tokage (Kni Hlf Fem Law), 10 points, T:136, slipped while mounting a saddled riding pseudodragon 11:36 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 11:36 [hdf-us] [dnh] Tokage (Kni Hlf Fem Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled riding pseudodragon 11:38 -!- qt has joined #hardfought 11:38 -!- fakepass has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:41 [hdf-us] [nh343] Disco (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) bribed Asmodeus with 99 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:31452 11:41 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Trt Fem Law) murdered her faithful large dog, on T:4931 11:43 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 7450 points, T:5555, killed by a leocrotta 11:44 [hdf-us] [nh343] Disco (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) bribed Baalzebub with 19 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:31537 11:44 [hdf-us] [dnh] post163 (Kni Hlf Fem Law), 8 points, T:18, slipped while mounting a saddled riding pseudodragon 11:44 [hdf-us] [dnh] post163 (Nob Dro Fem Cha), 4 points, T:8, slipped while mounting a saddled giant spider 11:45 [hdf-us] [dnh] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 0 points, T:22, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 11:46 [hdf-us] [dnh] Tokage (Kni Hlf Fem Law), 78 points, T:89, slipped while mounting a saddled riding pseudodragon 11:50 [hdf-us] [nh343] Disco (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:31611 11:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:3301 11:56 [hdf-us] [xnh] eziono (Pri Hum Mal Law), 926 points, T:1446, killed by an arrow 11:58 [hdf-us] [nh343] Disco (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) destroyed the invisible Vlad the Impaler, on T:31948 11:59 [hdf-us] [nh343] Disco (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) picked up the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:31948 11:59 thanks again k2 12:01 o/ 12:01 bug has been reported 12:01 nice, what happened? :) 12:02 well you know what happened, we just dont know why yet 12:03 devteam provided a bit of code I implemented so when it happens again, we'll get more useful info 12:04 [hdf-eu] [un] bhaak (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 78 points, T:119, killed by a jackal 12:05 secret bugs 12:08 [hdf-us] [xnh] eziono (Pri Hum Mal Law), 400 points, T:1061, killed by a giant bat 12:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "Blessed ring of polymorph", on T:4263 12:13 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping 4 poisoned darts on an altar, on T:12136 12:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a system shock 12:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming an arch-lich, on T:4471 12:22 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:24 [hdf-us] [slth] dnnk (Wiz Dro Fem Cha), 4457 points, T:1977, quit 12:25 [hdf-us] [un] hothraxxa (Cav Dwa Fem Law) entered the Dragon Caves, on T:46782, rt[1 day, 3:13:10] 12:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:5732 12:29 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Mad Hum Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1261 12:29 -!- fakepass has joined #hardfought 12:30 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 12:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 9995 points, T:6064, killed by an invisible stalker 12:31 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 12:31 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 0 points, T:143, killed by an exploding wand 12:33 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:35 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:37 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had a pair of steel gauntlets entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:1994 12:39 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had a pair of gauntlets of power entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:2263 12:40 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kougyoku (Arc Hum Fem Law), 1055 points, T:1197, killed by a gnome lord 12:46 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 12:48 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Dwa Fem Law) killed Cerberus, on T:78801 12:49 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:78827 12:50 [hdf-us] [slth] post163 (Mus Hob Fem Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of cold 12:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:10, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 12:50 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) performed his first annihilation (orcs), on T:1 12:51 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed the Goblin King, on T:3701 12:53 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:54 [hdf-us] [xnh] eziono (Tou Hum Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1715 12:54 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3991 12:59 -!- mariari has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:59 -!- mariari has joined #hardfought 13:07 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 13:09 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 9764 points, T:5295, killed by a plains centaur 13:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Pri Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3802 13:14 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Mad Hum Mal Cha), 30691 points, T:8204, killed by a Mordor orc 13:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] dolio (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Sokoban bag of holding, on T:31226 13:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Pri Hum Mal Law), 1780 points, T:3876, killed by a crossbow bolt 13:20 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a scroll of annihilation 13:22 [hdf-us] [xnh] eziono (Tou Hum Mal Neu) stole 928 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Kabalebo's general store, on T:4411 13:22 why is it so hard to get crowned when you're trying to get crowned? 13:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] 123 (Val Hum Fem Law) murdered her faithful little dog, on T:897 13:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Pri Elf Fem Cha) chosen to steal souls for the Glory of Huan Ti, on T:45250 13:23 finally.... 13:28 petrakelly, do you have maxed out luck, usually you get crowned pretty asap with that 13:28 yes....it was somewhat suprising....but also I had never did an altar prayer nor a sacrafice (except to convert an altar) before 13:29 [hdf-us] [xnh] eziono (Tou Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a little dog, on T:4779 13:30 -!- cernixs has joined #hardfought 13:30 took me a bag of tricks, 12 scrolls and 3 wands.... 13:30 wow 13:30 I usually dont bother with scrolls 13:30 I save them for blanking :D 13:30 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:30 I wanted to get rid of them 1st...have enough blank paper 13:31 by the time I'm going to write a scroll I usually have dozens of blanks from golems, etc 13:31 -!- oh7 has joined #hardfought 13:31 in my last ascension I had too few scrolls, had bad luck 13:31 was actively hunting for scrolls when mapping gehennom 13:31 well total scrolls in this game has been pretty bad.... 13:32 but you are a priest though 13:32 you get loads of nice stuff during the quest :) 13:32 like I've come across 4 lite, 3 weapon and 2 armor in 45k moves 13:32 I had a run or two where I didnt find a single ?oEA down to VotD 13:33 in last tournament 13:33 in the tourney I came across a wand of wishing on lvl 2 and on lvl 3 13:33 lol nice 13:33 -!- oh7 is now known as oh6 13:33 [hdf-us] [xnh] eziono (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 6008 points, T:5119, killed by a white unicorn 13:34 I died before I used a single wish 13:34 rip 13:34 [hdf-us] [xnh] eziono (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 32 points, T:41, killed by a sewer rat, while praying 13:36 I was thinking to check out some other shops (like lvl 4 and to mine town) just to see of I found GoP or speed boots....to decide on wishes but that never came to be 13:36 I would instantly go for GDSM 13:37 and maybe even speed boots 13:37 that should drasticly affect survivability 13:37 probably would have been the safe choice...think I was playing elf ranger 13:37 in that case speed boots would be even nicer 13:38 since you can run and shoot 13:38 I always lothe to wish for speed boots (did my current game) because I hope to find them in an armor shop...one game I had like 5 pairs of speed boots and 3 GoP in my stash before medusa 13:39 I get your feeling but I also view these as "bonus wishes" 13:39 since you also will have the castle wand 13:39 so you can afford to spend the wishes 13:39 this time it was an essential piece missing, then of course I found a pair like 2k turns later 13:40 [hdf-us] [evil] musicdemon (Ran Cen Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:3285 13:41 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 13:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Mon Hum Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2944 13:42 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:13278 13:44 I can't believe that after all that sacraficing, visiting my stash in soko, price iding stuff on lvl 3 that my Petey and Snuffles are still tame 13:46 they don't know you're planning to kill them 13:51 [hdf-us] [xnh] eziono (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1671 points, T:2352, killed by a housecat 13:55 [hdf-eu] [nh370] NetSysFire (Pri Hum Fem Cha), 1985 points, T:6079, killed by a giant bat, while fainted from lack of food 14:00 What do you want to drink? [hot or ?*] 14:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Nalzok, on T:45994 14:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Pri Elf Fem Cha) found the Mitre of Holiness carried by a monster, on T:45994 14:03 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Trt Mal Neu) wished for "magic marker", on T:49606 14:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Pri Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:46005 14:07 [hdf-us] [evil] musicdemon (Ran Cen Mal Neu), 5247 points, T:3947, killed by a magic missile 14:08 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Trt Mal Neu) genocided alhoons, on T:49648 14:08 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Trt Mal Neu) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:49648 14:08 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Trt Mal Neu) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:49650 14:10 well, oops 14:11 hit "300." instead of "300," when picking up a stack of cursed meatballs for polypiling 14:11 and since I was standing on a scroll of scare monster and was nowhere near hungry, the game let me wait out the full period, during which all the eggs from the last round hatched 14:11 [hdf-eu] [nh370] ang3l (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:59741 14:12 not a game-ending mistake, thankfully 14:12 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Mad Vam Mal Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:4316 14:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] dolio (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) found the Eye of the Aethiopica on the floor, on T:34106 14:14 nh4 would let you interrupt that I think 14:14 after genociding h there is no purpose in greasing a helm...correct? 14:15 cept rust say 14:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] dolio (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Dark One, on T:34177 14:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] dolio (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:34183 14:18 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 14:18 PetraKelly right, nothing left to suck your brain 14:21 well I have a lot of grease, so I guess I'll keep greasing it because I can't really spare an armor scroll to rustproof it right now (and I've come across a grand total of 1 destroy armor so far which I used for my GoP) 14:22 [hdf-eu] [nh370] rustyspoon (Val Hum Mal Law) killed Medusa, on T:21469 14:29 [hdf-us] [un] hothraxxa (Cav Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed very holy historic fixed greased burning unlabeled fireproof +7 crystal pick named this lamp is not as magic as i'd like", on T:48960 14:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] dolio (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) chosen to take lives for the Glory of Anhur, on T:34875 14:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] dolio (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) bestowed with spellbook of finger of death, on T:34875 14:33 <@hackemslashem> Hoth: can you wish for a blessed very holy historic fixed greased burning unlabeled fireproof +0 nothing and not break wishless? 14:33 petrakelly, found -1 and +1 speed boots in castle :) 14:34 <@hackemslashem> Adjust your speed accordingly! 14:34 cbus good for you, besides the wand I got nuthin 14:35 which I still haven;t used... 14:35 ah I just picked it up and checked the armory before blowing wishes 14:36 the wand is 0:2 and I only had one wish before, but castle -> finish game :) 14:36 been slowing down so I guess I will still get 4.5-5h time 14:36 [hdf-us] [un] hothraxxa (Cav Dwa Fem Law) entered Fort Ludios, on T:49254, rt[1 day, 5:24:48] 14:39 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 14:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Rog Hum Fem Cha) bestowed with Orcrist by Kos, on T:61916 14:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 160 points, T:326, killed by Mr. Lapu; the shopkeeper 14:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Rog Hum Fem Cha) bestowed with Frost Brand by Kos, on T:61973 14:43 [hdf-eu] [nh370] ang3l (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:60850 14:43 [hdf-eu] [nh370] ang3l (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:60851 14:46 [hdf-us] [evil] goast (Cav Gia Mal Neu) had Keolewa bestowed upon him by Ishtar, on T:3303 14:53 [hdf-us] [dnh] Tokage (Kni Hlf Fem Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:3215 14:53 [hdf-us] [xnh] ToolUser (Ran Elf Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:18090 14:55 [hdf-us] [dnh] Tokage (Kni Hlf Fem Law) was given the Lifehunt Scythe, on T:3344 14:57 -!- winny has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:57 -!- winny has joined #hardfought 14:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Rog Hum Fem Cha) attained the rank of Magswoman (level 26), on T:62408 14:58 [hdf-us] [evil] goast (Cav Gia Mal Neu), 2077 points, T:3948, killed by a little dog 14:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Rog Hum Fem Cha) attained the rank of Thief (level 30), on T:62412 14:59 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Mad Vam Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:4731 15:15 -!- Sgeo has joined #hardfought 15:16 -!- ChrisANG has joined #hardfought 15:18 -!- cernixs has quit [Quit: Client closed] 15:20 [hdf-us] [evil] musicdemon (Ran Cen Mal Neu) killed the Goblin King, on T:2895 15:20 -!- oh6 has quit [Quit: oh6] 15:21 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 15:21 paxed: bilious.alt.org has an expired certificate 15:21 by around 5½ hours 15:22 it's Let's Encrypt, so something probably went wrong with the automation 15:22 (probably dtype needs to deal with this but isn't here to ping) 15:23 [hdf-eu] [slshm] hackemslashem (Kni Hum Mal Law), 153968 points, T:13872, killed by a star vampire 15:24 <@hackemslashem> mf 15:24 <@hackemslashem> I knew not having telepathy would screw me 15:25 -!- pescepalla has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.5] 15:27 ais523: I can let 'em know 15:29 <@hackemslashem> Although, I've had a bit to drink tonight... Don't mix the chaotic quest and drinking folks 15:29 [hdf-eu] [slshm] hackemslashem (Kni Hum Mal Law), 430 points, T:595, killed by a gnome, while helpless 15:31 definitely not 15:31 neutral quest would be fine though 15:33 <@hackemslashem> I even geno'd L as soon as I entered! 15:33 <@hackemslashem> Guess I should have geno'd V 15:34 <@riker> any ETAs on when the junethack page opens this yr? 15:35 I remembered the junethack daemon this time 15:35 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:35 although, the new one is efficient enough that I think it just gets left running all year, so despite remembering it I didn't do anything 15:36 <@riker> what's it do? 15:38 [hdf-us] [slshm] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:98, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 15:38 @riker: tells the Junethack servers which nethack4.org accounts are linked to which tournament accounts, via the "comment" option in the player's options file 15:39 <@riker> ah, makes sense 15:39 <@hackemslashem> Someone mentioned to me that you could use a stethoscope to check chests for traps - any truth to this? I can only check the ground or myself 15:39 usually i think clan registration is open by now 15:39 <@riker> yeah demo which is why I ask 15:39 <@riker> i feel like june crept up on everybody this yr 15:39 i need to sync up with bhaak before june and get ndnh achieves straightened out 15:40 <@riker> news to me @hackemslashem - i'ts either a 3.7 thing or not real 15:40 <@post163> Last year registration for junethack did not start until May 31. 15:40 riker, it could be a slashem thing 15:40 i dont know 15:41 <@hackemslashem> Nah, I'm testing it in slashem, no worky. Would this ever work for doors either? 15:41 <@riker> a quick wiki chest says its fake on both the steth and the container trap article but i'm curious so i'm checking 3.7 source 15:41 <@riker> i doubt it 15:41 Healers have proficiency with stethoscopes. A Healer can more reliably apply a stethoscope to themselves while engulfed by a whirly monster. A Healer can apply a stethoscope to a statue to determine whether it contains items or is on a statue trap. 15:41 not quite what you are testing 15:41 but in the same spirit :) 15:41 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Kni Inf Nbn Law), 131 points, T:270, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 15:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) murdered his faithful little dog, on T:1 15:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 20 points, T:5, killed by a goblin, while sleeping 15:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 0 points, T:212, killed by a goblin 15:42 looking at slashem source and i am seeing nothing 15:42 <@hackemslashem> But the only trap you could find with a stethoscope is a statue trap (unless you count mimics in shops)? 15:42 <@riker> ok when applying to a terrain - it only checks secret doors and corridors 15:42 <@riker> and that's just for their existence 15:43 -!- ChrisANG has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:43 <@riker> there is no handling for applying to a chest (or any item on a square, or any item) 15:43 riker ur missing its_dead 15:43 https://github.com/k21971/SlashEM/blob/master/src/apply.c#L191 15:43 <@riker> ah u rihgt i see it 15:43 still no chest handling 15:43 but handling for statues on traps 15:44 <@hackemslashem> cool - I didn't think it would do this. I know the scope does a lot, but it doesn't do everything 15:44 -!- ChrisANG has joined #hardfought 15:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Pri Elf Fem Cha) genocided class m, on T:46594 15:46 ais523: passed dtype a line 15:46 thanks 15:47 I am very doubtful about the push to https everything – I'm not convinced it increases security at all, because it adds a huge number of potential points of failure / complexity that could introduce vulnerabilities, whereas the vulnerabilities it removes are irrelevant in many cases 15:48 [hdf-eu] [nh370] ang3l (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Swashbuckler (level 18), on T:63954 15:56 -!- ChrisANG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:58 <@nabru> !ping 15:58 @nabru: Pong! 15:58 -!- ChrisANG has joined #hardfought 15:59 [hdf-us] [ndnh] sflicht (Ana Gno Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +2 Seven League Boots", on T:3572 16:02 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:04 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 16:05 [hdf-eu] [nh370] ang3l (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:65082 16:08 [hdf-eu] [slshm] hackemslashem (Kni Hum Mal Law), 2134 points, T:2071, killed by a killer bee 16:08 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Justin14p (Ran Hum Mal Cha), 163 points, T:456, killed by a gnome lord 16:09 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Kni Inf Mal Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 16:09 [hdf-us] [slshm] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:5, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 16:11 [hdf-us] [ndnh] sflicht (Ana Gno Mal Neu) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:5557 16:11 ais523: could you elaborate? 16:12 I'm not disagreeing, it's just apoint of view I've never seen before 16:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Pri Elf Fem Cha) polymorphed her first item, on T:46600 16:12 so I'm intrigued in what you mean 16:12 wrt https everything being a dubious idea 16:13 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:13 -!- ChrisANG has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:13 [hdf-us] [ndnh] sflicht (Ana Gno Mal Neu) destroyed the Lokoban Pinata, on T:6046 16:13 FIQ: well, a simple HTTP server is very simple, it's fairly easy to check it for vulnerabilities and the attack surface is very small 16:13 reading backlog, I found the gold nerf completely unnecessary 16:13 but I had... Opinions on 3.6+ changes overall 16:14 so in comparision to that, the gold change was kinda w/e 16:14 whereas HTTPS is very complicated – much more so than the rest of the server in question, and updating/maintaining certificates adds extra complexity to the software chain 16:14 ais523: isn't https merely just http over an encrypted communication? 16:14 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Ana Vam Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:46049 16:14 kinda like secure irc 16:14 FIQ: yes, but the encryption of the communication is more complicated than everything else put together, in terms of code required 16:15 and places in which things could go wrong 16:15 I suppose 16:15 bugs in TLS libraries are found quite frequently in practice (including major issues like Heartbleed) 16:15 but we haven't really seen any vulnerabilities come from this, have we? 16:15 [hdf-us] [ndnh] sflicht (Ana Gno Mal Neu) wished for "upgrade kit", on T:6109 16:15 I'm not really very familiar with webdev anymore, it was quite a while ago since I did that 16:15 Heartbleed was the really big one, there have been quite a few smaller ones 16:16 ais523: Of course, but that has little to do with https specifically 16:16 and iirc libressl was created as a response 16:16 right, it's a bug in TLS generally 16:16 to simplify ssl code 16:16 or, a bug in an implementation of TLS generally 16:16 to reduce the attack surface 16:16 my point is, https shouldn't really be blamed for tls bugs 16:16 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 16:16 tls is used in a lt of contexts 16:16 not just https 16:17 *lot 16:17 FIQ: that's fair – I guess my opposition is generally to using TLS in contexts where the risks outweigh the benefits 16:17 the way I see it, https is just one of many benefactors of tls 16:17 and I consider HTTPS to, in many cases, be one of those contexts 16:17 and there's no reason to avoid https just because tls is complex 16:17 because if tls has vulnerabilities, then we have far more issues than https not being secure 16:18 HTTPS does have additional attack surface, though – most non-HTTPS uses of TLS are between two co-operating endpoints so there's no need for a public certificate infrastructure, the two endpoints agree how to verify each other privately 16:18 so the whole public certificate infrastructure is primarily for the benefit of HTTPS 16:18 mhm 16:19 at least it isn't a racket anymore 16:19 where you basically need to shell out money to make your own shit more secure 16:20 there have been reports recently that Certificate Transparency is causing the following problem: people are installing insecure web-server software and then patching it but it's live on the Internet all that time, previously they got away with it because the window of exploit was too small, but CT is allowing attackers to find the insecure software in the narrow window before it's patched 16:20 [hdf-us] [un] hothraxxa (Cav Dwa Fem Law) killed Croesus, on T:49656 16:20 (and this problem arises because in many cases, the software is being accessed by its admin over the Web rather than directly via, say, SSH to its server, as a consequence of how shared hosting is set up) 16:21 obviously this sort of insecure install mechanism shouldn't have existed in the first place, but it's something we have to live with nowadays (Wordpress is a commonly-mentioned culprit) 16:21 mhm 16:21 hmmm 16:21 if you require HTTPS for everything, then in order to access the insecure site over HTTPS in order to be able to secure it, you need to let attackers know that it exists… 16:22 this doesn't really sound like a fundamental problem with https though 16:22 and just webdev in general being shitty 16:23 no, it isn't a fundamental problem with HTTPS, it's a problem that really shouldn't have happened in the first place 16:23 [hdf-us] [nh343] Disco (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 pair of speed boots", on T:32609 16:23 it's webdev, webdev has always been insane 16:23 it is, though, an example of HTTPS increasing attack surface and reducing security, in this case by causing things that were already insecure to become even less secure 16:24 I don't know why webdev people thought overengineered js code that removes all the benefit of flash being gone was a good idea 16:24 I have JS disabled by default 16:24 the main annoyance this causes is that I need to open up an HTML debugger in order to reveal spoilers and get rid of cookie warnings 16:24 [hdf-us] [nh343] Disco (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:32811 16:24 I had hopes that with the removal of flash, sites would actually be sane to browse without taking forever to load because of stupid code slowing things down 16:25 (because for some reason nobody seems to use
) 16:25 then people thought "hey this JS thing is looking interesting, what if we use it for everything?" 16:25 I prefer to use pure HTML+CSS whenever possible 16:25 but occasionally it isn't 16:25 Same. I don't mind using a bit of js as an optional bonus to make a couple of things more responsive 16:25 one feature that CSS is missing and would be useful is the ability to scale the font size of some text to its container, so that the text shrinks if there's too much text to fix 16:25 but it should never be a main feature 16:26 responsiveness is normally possible through pure CSS, but it feels very much like an esolang sometimes 16:26 for example, way back in the day, I used js on the site I developed in order to make the quote button in forums automatically fill out the original post in the post submission form and moved the browser there 16:26 Simple stuff like that 16:27 (with js disabled, the site would just reload with the quote instead) 16:27 try http://nethack4.org/esolangs/waterfall/ and resize the browser window to be tall and narrow, and see how it changes 16:27 that's pure CSS 16:27 (obviously the embedded interpreter on the page requires JS, but it's the only bit that does) 16:28 You're referring to how the elements are reordered at a certain size? 16:28 yes 16:28 that's what's normally known as "responsiveness" in Web design nowadays – making the page layout conform to the device being used to view it 16:28 Yeah I knew css could do that, iirc people use it a lot for what is called "responsive web pages" 16:28 to handle mobile devices 16:28 yeah 16:28 it /can/ – it is much more difficult than it should be though 16:28 exactly 16:28 oh? 16:29 I remember, the think I was the most surprised by css-wise back when I actually did webdev 16:29 was that it was able to create context menus 16:29 I was surprised by that too 16:29 as in, you hover over a menu and it shows a list of options, that kind of menu 16:29 idk if context menu is the correct word fo rit 16:30 I think you can even make clickable menus like that 16:30 *for it 16:30 probably, if hover works 16:30 "collapsible menus", perhaps? "context menu" is normally used for the menu you get when you right-click on something 16:30 isn't it just another tag 16:30 but I knew what you meant 16:30 it's a bit more complex, I think you need to make a link that doesn't go anywhere and then trigger on it being the active link 16:30 ah 16:31 ais523 | it /can/ – it is much more difficult than it should be though 16:31 this doesn't surprise me, css is a bit... idk if overengineered is the right word, but basically 16:32 it's semi-engineered 16:32 the capabilities it has doesn't really mesh with how the language was initially constructed 16:32 there are parts of it which work really well, and other parts which don't seem to exist at all despite the functionality you'd want being easy to describe 16:33 btw I read your earlier visit here earlier and you mentioned object properties and applying them to object. FIQHack has a very luck based potion for that, potions of wonder :P 16:34 yes, someone suggested having a much easier way to apply object properties to ammo 16:34 -!- ChrisANG has joined #hardfought 16:34 it was mostly initially created as a "ok how can I give players crazy intrinsics and have it not be broken balance-wise", but making objects dipped into it give them properties made perfect sense alongside that 16:34 I see 16:34 and I said that that was possible in variants but they didn't provide a way that was nearly that simple 16:34 the balance implications of, say, acidic ammo are not obvious 16:35 if you can make it only using a stack of arrows and a potion of acid 16:35 potions of acid can't be alchemized beyond random alchemy 16:35 and is really rare 16:35 so it shouldn't break balance 16:36 I think the plan was for it to work for most or all negative potions 16:36 if it's useful enough, it just becomes a new option to take care of alongside the rest of the "asc kit" so to speak 16:36 so I had the concern that you could dip-test to ID potions 16:36 ahh 16:36 dip an arrow in it, if nothing happens, it isn't dangerous 16:36 but you fcan already do that 16:36 with unihorns 16:36 with a unihorn, yes 16:36 my guess is that it might strain balance a little but wouldn't break it 16:37 also the unihorn test doesn't work on !oPara 16:37 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Trt Mal Neu) killed the invisible Mephistopheles, on T:50794 16:38 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Mad Hum Mal Neu), 109 points, T:195, killed by a sewer rat 16:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] haldisse (Bar Hum Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3482 16:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] haldisse (Bar Hum Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 7 daggers on an altar, on T:3535 16:39 ais523: dip-testing can be balanced by also losing useful potions while doing this 16:39 hmm, interesting 16:39 polymorph is the obvious one, but it's not nearly as useful as some others 16:39 does this mean that we end up with arrows of gain level? 16:39 which currently doesn't do much 16:39 and arrows of gain ability? 16:39 gain ability could give a random property 16:40 I guess the obvious fix to *that* is to have Slash'EM style object upgrading 16:40 given the name 16:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 16:40 if you dip an arrow into a potion of gain level, it becomes a better arrow (which would mostly be a waste of the potion) 16:40 not sure if gain level should do anything, but those potions are fairly common 16:40 because of monsters 16:40 (compared to gain ability, that is) 16:40 so basically it enchants it? 16:41 no, more like orcish arrow becomes regular arrow 16:41 ahh 16:41 or arrow becomes crossbow bolt, that sort of thing 16:41 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 16:41 the table of object upgrades in Slash'EM isn't really consistent or sensible, IIRC 16:42 that reminds me, I'm not really a fan of elven and orcish items being strictly better or worse 16:42 I mean it makes sense flavour-wise 16:42 nor me – elvish items are in fact different due to being wooden 16:42 but it feels like giving orcs the short end of the stick 16:42 it would make sense for orcish items to be easier to poison 16:42 yeah 16:43 while elven ones could outright reject it (with regular items working sometimes)? 16:43 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Trt Mal Neu) wished for "magic marker", on T:50897 16:44 the easiest implementation would probably be to make poisoning elven items outright fail, making regular ones unpoison fairly easily (33% of uses?) with orcish ones doing so much more rarely (3% of the time) 16:44 or something like that 16:45 that might throw balance in the other direction instead though 16:45 not sure how useful poisoned items really are because I never use them 16:45 they need micromanagement 16:45 because of unpoisoning 16:45 and I'm not exactly a fan of micromanagement 16:46 maybe if you could apply several "stacks" of poison so you needed to manage it more rarely (but then the stacks should arguably strengten the effect..) 16:47 not liking micromanagement is why I never play ranged characters outside fiqhack 16:47 (fh has autoswap) 16:48 ais523: btw did you know that qt's terminal crashes if it tries to play nh4+friends? 16:48 FIQ: I didn't 16:48 which terminal is it? 16:48 kitty iirc 16:49 obviously this is a bug in the terminal – it may be fixable at my end, or it may be better to get the devs to fix it 16:49 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Trt Mal Neu) killed Orcus, on T:50939 16:49 that reminds me, I've considered looking into using curses/ncurses for fh instead of libuncursed. I like libuncursed but I like the idea of 256-color support too 16:50 and libuncursed isn't really maintained 16:52 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:53 -!- ChrisANG has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] dolio (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Sorceress (level 18), on T:39044 16:54 ais523: i play nh4 variants all the time using kitty without issues 16:55 it is likely something to do with qt's config 16:55 FIQ: that's reasonable – there were several design decision in libuncursed 1 that I'd like to change/revisit, but having burned out on programming, I'm not sure I have the ability to make a libuncursed 2 at the moment 16:56 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 27451 points, T:14409, killed by an air elemental 16:56 [hdf-us] [slth] skwrl (Wiz Dro Mal Cha), 2912 points, T:2695, killed by a bolt of cold 16:59 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Mad Hum Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1526 16:59 [hdf-eu] [nh370] ang3l (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:67820 17:01 huh... 17:01 easy enough to test 17:01 try the defaults 17:01 actually, you know what? it's interesting... when FIQ mentioned it I just opened up fh and it did the "crash" thing 17:02 but instead of immediately trying to close the terminal emulator I let it sit for a while, and after a few minutes it started working again 17:02 fiqy try  printf "\u1b[38;5;50htest\033[ming\n" in bash (x termninal, not hardware cosole) 17:02 PetraKelly: are you sure you don't mean qt? 17:02 qt: this might be a casualty of a bug fix intended for another terminal 17:02 whatever x termninal 17:02 it had a tendency to get stuck, so libuncursed shoots a large number of NULs at the terminal in order to unstick it 17:03 PetraKelly: I see "testing" when I do this 17:03 this is on the Windows terminal 17:03 but no colors 17:03 the good one, not CMD 17:03 oh 17:03 maybe kitty is interpreting this as a delay command from a really old serial terminal and delaying, or maybe it's just really slow at parsing it 17:03 well it doesn't support 256 color control codes then 17:03 PetraKelly: hm but I do have 256color support 17:03 weechat uses it.. 17:03 well thats one way the other is to give it in rgb 17:04 idk how to do that 17:04 ais523: except for PetraKelly it works fine? 17:04 er not PetraKelly 17:04 I mean hothraxxa 17:04 PetraKelly: you have '\u1b[38;5;50h' instead of '...m' 17:05 the form after the escape sequnce is 38;2;r;g;b 17:05 when I change it to m it works 17:05 yes ssame 17:05 if I replace h with m 17:05 the escape sequence for truecolor is kind-of dodgy 17:05 it works 17:05 *same 17:05 m does the standard 16 color pallet 17:05 that's not right 17:05 this is clearly 256color 17:05 because I don't have the color I got from it 17:05 well really 8 color + workaround 17:05 in my standard pallet 17:06 the spec specifies that there are four arguments (r, g, b and a colorspace) and it starts 38;2: followed by the arguments separated bu colons 17:06 but nobody actually implements that 17:06 one sec 17:06 let me screenshot 17:06 most terminal emulators have implemented either 38;2;r;g;b or 38:2:r:g:b 17:06 or sometimes both 17:06 well in (several/many?) emulators you can pick the colors you want activated by a particular color code 17:07 http://home.fiq.se/winterm.png 17:07 there are sequences for palette customization 17:07 well pc related hardware platforms like the rgb...the 256 assignment is done by another lib normally, slang or what not 17:07 https://talyian.github.io/ansicolors/ this suggests it should be 'm', but maybe it's just that most terminals have dropped the distinction between 'h' and 'm' by now? anyway 'h' doesn't work for me, but with 'm' it does print color 50 17:07 my terminal tester could figure this one out 17:07 this is clearly 256color 17:07 not 16color 17:07 it's unfinished but it does this much 17:07 or 8color 17:08 qt: yeah h doesn't work 17:08 for me 17:08 well I think the big issue is there is no ansi std beyond 16 (8 if you want to be strict about it) 17:08 btw the TERM=xterm part isn't needed 17:08 I just tried it to see if it would make h work earlier 17:08 and just never removed it 17:08 when I tested other colors 17:09 xterm is somewhat meaningless anyway 17:09 ais523: have you tested the new windows terminal's capabilities out of curiousity? 17:09 my assumption is that it'd be above-average in terms of standard-compilancy 17:10 because MS, starting from zero, would presumably actually read them 17:10 and not be affected by inertia 17:10 in the same vein 17:10 but if a terminal doesn't impliment blink+underline+bold+bright at the same time, that can be assigned to whatever color you want on the terminal side which is how the 16 colors from 8 started 17:10 FIQ: I don't have Windows, so no 17:10 for anyone interested: http://nethack4.org/pastebin/termtest.c 17:10 this is unfinished (especially in terms of how it outputs results) 17:10 but all the color-testing bits are finished 17:11 ais523: I tried "gcc termtest.c" 17:12 but it gave me this 17:12 /usr/bin/ld: termtest.c:(.text+0x24ed): undefined reference to `round' 17:12 /usr/bin/ld: termtest.c:(.text+0x2516): undefined reference to `pow' 17:12 /usr/bin/ld: termtest.c:(.text+0x2527): undefined reference to `round' 17:12 FIQ: try -lm 17:12 gcc termtest.c -lm 17:12 looks like missing maths functions 17:12 that worked 17:12 but idk where it wrote the file to... 17:13 (I'm not entirely sure why those aren't linked by default; I think g++ does) 17:13 oh a.out probably 17:13 looking at console.app and trying to reproduce the nh4 thing, I get some errors like this https://termbin.com/hzkc 17:13 "a.out" is the default filename 17:13 the only close standard (if you can call it that) is the vt525+ programable pallet 17:13 [hdf-eu] [nh370] ang3l (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:68818 17:14 we never bought those because our apps were all monochrome (but we needed downloadable fonts, so we used the 420) 17:16 ais523: man console_codes uses on semicolons and only mentions those, does not say anything about colons in the color definition 17:16 -on 17:17 [hdf-us] [slth] post163 (Wiz Elf Mal Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a scroll of genocide 17:18 Commands 38 and 48 require further arguments: ... ;2;r;g;b 24-bit color 17:18 paxed: man console_codes is a description of how the Linux terminal behaves – it is not a standard for how terminals work 17:19 the Linux terminal does not obey all the relevant standards, but then neither does anything else 17:19 TINS 17:19 dim backgrounds is the first one I need to answer "n" on lo 17:19 l 17:19 it surprised me to discover that there are in fact standards; most terminal developers seem to ignore them regardless 17:19 unfortunately this thing just dumps all its results to stdout in the end 17:19 -!- Semilg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:19 because I haven't written proper output routines yet 17:20 which is a pain if you don't have scrollback 17:20 you can remember the answers, "y" means it's working, "n" means it isn't implemented, "p" is partially implemented, various other letters imply the terminal author has done something wrong 17:21 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Ana Vam Mal Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:47818 17:22 the 256-color versus truecolor tests are a pain to judge by eye sometimes 17:22 my technique of drawing three gradients and judging whether the one in the middle is finer is the best technique I've found so far 17:22 [hdf-eu] [nh370] ang3l (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (2nd time), on T:69341 17:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 138 points, T:283, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 17:28 http://home.fiq.se/winterm_results.txt 17:28 this is the result from the test 17:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 1661 points, T:1156, killed by an orc-captain, while sleeping 17:29 if anyoen is cuirious 17:29 *anyone 17:29 -!- ChrisANG has joined #hardfought 17:29 some "has no effect" on reposition commands early on 17:29 those aren't commonly used because few people are aware of what they're meant to do – I have some idea but I find the spec very hard to follow 17:30 and because programs rarely use them, terminals often don't know they're needed and don't implement them 17:30 this is mine, from my problematic terminal emulator https://termbin.com/gj2s 17:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] haldisse (Bar Hum Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:8123 17:31 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Kni Dwa Nbn Law), 263 points, T:421, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 17:31 qt: assuming you didn't just fast-forward through the gamma-correction bit, that's the first time I've seen a terminal do gamma correctly 17:31 many terminals are hopeless on that bit 17:32 I don't know, they all looked about the same 17:32 but it was sort of a judgment thing I guess, maybe I wasn't be as persnickety about it as I should have been 17:32 they're supposed to, but many terminals obviously get it completely wrong 17:32 [hdf-eu] [nh370] ang3l (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "7 candles", on T:69860 17:32 why was mine skipped? 17:32 on xterm, the 0 is much more visible than the 9, and when you start adjusting, eventually you can't see the 0 or the 9 but the 1 is clearly visible 17:33 FIQ: probably it can't set the color accurately enough 17:33 ah 17:33 any idea what "Unsupported screen mode: 30 (private)" and "Invalid character in CSI: 0x1b, ignoring the sequence" mean coming from my terminal when launching nh4? 17:33 FWIW, those are my results: https://termbin.com/0rij 17:33 "truecolor rendering: partially implemented" 17:33 ah 17:33 (using Konsole under Fedora 36) 17:33 yeah it failed on the background test iirc 17:33 the grayscale one worked fine 17:33 but the blue-to-magenta background only showed colors from the other 2 rows 17:34 qt: I don't know the former; the latter means that your terminal thought that I sent it an invalid terminal code 17:34 (after a CSI, a byte that starts with a 4 or 5 nybble should precede any that starts with a 1 nybble) 17:34 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:34 it's possible that I *did* send it an invalid code as part of a test, because some terminals have implemented invalid codes for some reason 17:34 I see 17:34 so winterm gets truecolor wrong 17:34 the unsupported screen mode one comes up every time I launch it, sometimes multiple times in a row. so maybe that's related to the problem 17:35 seems to handle the rest of it mostly fine 17:35 approximating truecolor as 256-color is quite common in terminals 17:35 they parse the code but then pick the nearest color from their palette 17:35 hmm 17:35 but the foreground test worked 17:35 only the background one failed 17:36 I wonder if it's similar to how dim backgrounds failed 17:36 the gamma test requires comparing foregrounds to backgrounds 17:36 ahh 17:36 makes sense 17:36 "which of these foregrounds is clearest against the background" 17:36 ah 17:36 the idea is to write a number in, say, 10% gray on 0% gray, and compare that to 100% gray on 90% gray 17:36 if the gamma ramp is correct, those should be equally visible 17:37 but there are so many gamma corrections in different parts of the color rendering pipeline that most systems are hopeless in this respect 17:37 ah 17:37 [hdf-eu] [evil] McPanther (Pri Gia Mal Cha), 966 points, T:983, killed by a piranha 17:38 [hdf-eu] [nh370] ang3l (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:69890 17:38 I should probably add a "256-color palette set" to this thing at some point, some terminals can do that I think 17:38 I wonder how well CMD would do on this 17:38 CMD with wsl that is 17:38 Oh I figured out how I'm going to get rid of that pesky vault guard, I'll lock him in the ludios mine field 17:39 some terminals I tested are OK at the gamma ramp test for grays but get it wrong with the colors 17:39 greens tend to have a different gamma ramp from reds 17:39 what does "Linux-style" mean? 17:39 8-color palette set (Linux-style): 17:39 Linux's built-in terminal 17:39 the behavior of the hardware console 17:40 ah 17:40 the one you get if you boot up Linux without starting X 17:40 the tty 17:40 it uses different codes from xterm, and they aren't terminated correctly 17:40 i.e. they end before the normal parsing rules say they should end 17:40 ais523: this is the gamma correction section, I'm curious whether this is 'wrong' and I just wasn't being strict enough in my estimation of the differences, or whether it is 'right' https://0x0.st/oafn.png 17:40 you can normally work around this by sending an extra ST immediately after the code 17:40 linux console is pretty much vt102+most of ansi 17:40 isn't gamma tests by definition useless to share with others? 17:41 right, the gamma correction doesn't show up in a screenshot 17:41 I get the gamma ramp of my screen rather than the gamma ramp of yours 17:41 oh, how does it depend on the terminal then? 17:41 it depensd on the entire graphics stack of the system 17:41 so when the terminal writes colors, it has to specify those colors to the graphics system, and there are various ways to do that 17:42 ideally it'd say "I want a color that will be perceived by humans as XYZ" or whatever, and the graphics system would know how the screen responds to various colors and adjust 17:42 in practice, most of them send redness, greenness, and blueness numbers with no information on what htose mean 17:42 I see, so ideally it would produce different colors on different screens 17:42 ? 17:43 historically, those were interpreted as percentages of the maximum voltage to send to the screen 17:43 PetraKelly: iirc the tty shows cyan instead of underline 17:43 for stuff in manpages 17:43 like, 80% red would set the "red" line in the screen connection to 80% of its maximum 17:43 so the color you get is very dependent on your screen 17:43 thats because the vga/sgva standard in cell mode doesn't support underline 17:43 it does support blink tho 17:44 ok well ais523 please come over to my house and look at my screen, I want to know if I judged it wrong or if it's about the same 17:44 :-) 17:44 you could take a caveman's screenshot 17:44 but I think you can assign underline to whatever color you want via kernel params 17:44 I actually looked into getting a tool to measure this properly, but it seems that they cost £1000 or so and I don't have that sort of money for something this minor 17:45 FIQ: that still doesn't work, the camera also has a gamma correction 17:45 [hdf-us] [ndnh] gpsalmoncannon (Mad Swn Fem Cha) entered the adventure town for the first time, on T:2091 17:45 oy vey 17:45 you can make it work if you have a sufficiently high-end camera with color profiles 17:45 they chose cyan because thats what the defacto std procomm plus did 17:45 the tourist's expensive camera could probably manage it 17:46 [hdf-us] [ndnh] gpsalmoncannon (Mad Swn Fem Cha) wished for "blessed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:2122 17:46 ais523: but you remove the screen from the operation 17:46 probably the tourist these days uses their phone instead of a bulky camera 17:46 well, I still think they look about the same contrast-wise, so I'm sticking with my judgment in absence of any way to verify or contradict it 17:46 so if you know how the camera's gamma is 17:46 you can use it 17:46 fwiw, qt's screenshot appears to have a better gamma ramp than how xterm appears on my computer 17:46 so the terminal does seem to be doing *something* in terms of getting the gamma right 17:46 FIQ: yes 17:46 which is probably easy to look up 17:47 calibrating cameras for gamma ramp is much easier than calibrating screens 17:47 I'm sure camera enthusiasts have a database for it 17:47 because you just need to have a piece of paper that's exactly the right color, and take a few photos of it 17:47 oh yeah, when I look at that screenshot on another monitor the 7 stands out a lot more than the 0 17:47 thats because you can just use the mfg color map 17:47 that's interesting 17:47 in reference to a test pallet 17:48 qt: are you using an Apple computer, by any chance? 17:48 altho color pallets I really only know from macs (friend is a fashion designer) 17:48 yeah 17:48 Apple cares about this way more than Microsoft and most Linux distros do 17:49 it's a nich area with high profit that apple wants to keep dedicated 17:49 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Dwa Fem Law) had Demonbane bestowed upon her by Lugh, on T:81081 17:49 it was one of the ways they carved out a niche when Microsoft were dominating everything – getting colors correct meant that Macs were the best platform for doing graphic design and art on 17:49 another friend is a commercial artist, he always used a mac as wel, first one I knew who got a quadra 17:49 <@riker> huh, i never realized macs were that good at color fidelity or w/e 17:50 [hdf-us] [nh343] Disco (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:33279 17:50 I always assumed Macs were better at color than most PCs, seeing as they're used by artists and all 17:50 well on the pc side, corel+princeton could compete but it was more expensive than going with a mac where it was already done 17:50 in another channel, someone reported a bug in which gold ended up being given an inventory letter 17:50 does anyone here know of any bugs like that? or is it new? 17:50 I think it's new 17:50 in vanilla? 17:50 can't recall having seen it before 17:50 or someone named their fruit gold piece? 17:51 ais523: I encountered this once 17:51 was never able to replicate it 17:51 legendary bug 17:51 what did you encounter it in fiq? 17:51 343? nh4? 17:51 modern nh3 17:51 idk if it was a variant 17:51 so nao? 17:51 a06f5ec is the most similar thing I can think of 17:51 nao is legacy nh3 17:51 hmm...maybe I should name my fruit wand of wishing and start leaving bones everywhere 17:51 that would allow you to get gold as a letter 17:52 I forgot 36 was also nh3 17:52 that commit was supposed to have fixed it, rather 17:52 <@riker> petrakelly I think there's at least one quote in the nhqdb abou tit 17:52 PetraKelly: I used to have my fruit called "fruit of wishing" 17:52 ais523: ^ 17:52 <@riker> https://nhqdb.alt.org/?2116 17:52 w - a wand of wishing (0:127) 17:52 <@riker> yep found it - it was about fiq 17:52 you'd have pretty angry people around you 17:52 very in the spirit of nethack 17:52 a lot of people use my rcfile 17:53 which in term is based off stth's rcfile 17:53 you're overloaded with terminal talk fiqy 17:53 idk why people kept using mine tbh 17:53 iirc all I did was port nh4 inventory coloration 17:53 which in TERM is winterm 17:53 I would never use urs fiq don't worry 17:53 I don't like curses interface 17:53 haha 17:54 perhaps people used mine because mine was probably the first that set out to have a sensible config for modern curses 17:54 mostly by virtue of me being one of the major contributors towards that 17:54 that is definitely it 17:54 [hdf-eu] [nh370] ang3l (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:70465 17:54 I'm still trying toi come up with a use for my wand of wishing...been thinking about it for 48 hours 17:54 [hdf-eu] [nh370] ang3l (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:70468 17:55 of the features I added, I appreciated the sidebar the most 17:55 keep it in case you need to get out of a tight spot 17:55 it is also the only change that seems to have made the jump to modern nh3 17:55 those "oh god, a wish would save me" moments 17:55 the rest did not 17:55 (notably nh4status) 17:55 your inventory belongs in your brain, not on your screen at all times 17:55 oh yeah 17:55 it is cheating :P 17:56 modern nh3 curses also retain the nao-style object piles 17:56 which I vastly prefer 17:56 the blue ones? 17:56 I don't really need the master key since I have warning, and respectable ac (-28) 17:56 I forget, are you color blind fiq? 17:56 and I found everything else 17:56 iirc it even does the whole "blue on blue -> black on blue" 17:56 like nh4 does 17:56 Demo: nope 17:56 I think dnh object piles are nao ones 17:56 I'm visually impaired however 17:57 it does not, however, highlight hidden stairs 17:57 sad 17:57 a06f5ec is the most similar thing I can think of ← this seems to be a different bug 17:57 I wish portals got stair highlights 17:57 they do in nh4 17:57 [hdf-us] [spl] nabru (Wiz Mer Fem Neu) averted death (done in by a rabid rat), on T:427 17:58 hmm 17:58 I rememember I had an intern wire a whole bunch of cables, and he didn't tell me he was color blind 17:58 ! is unused 17:58 as a keyboard shortcut 17:58 FIQ: it's used for shell isn't it? 17:58 it is? 17:58 I thought so 17:58 PetraKelly: in a lab class I took in college, we had to read resistor color codes and one of my classmates was colorblind 17:58 it was... complicated 17:58 yeah it is, at least in 3.7 17:58 if you're on the SHELLERS list 17:58 nabru: couldn't they be given a free pass for that part? 17:58 [hdf-us] [spl] nabru (Wiz Mer Fem Neu), 880 points, T:456, dispatched by a dwarf 17:58 who was here for twitch plays nethack? 17:58 or have it not count towards their credit 17:59 their build was compiled to allow ! for shell 17:59 FIQ: they were given, after the situation was expalined 17:59 *explained 17:59 and it became twitch plays bash 17:59 I imagine you could use colored filters even if colorblind 17:59 twitch plays rm -rf / 17:59 but resistor color codes are one of those situations where there's no good solution for colorblind people 17:59 Demo: oops 17:59 ais523: indeed 17:59 the information can't be compressed into a small enough space while remaining readable otherwise 17:59 nobody was mean to them I think and didn't ruin it 18:00 and told them and they patched it 18:00 ais523: you could just... use different colors? 18:00 which is more friendly to colorblind people 18:00 I guess if I want to lock this guard up in ludios I better make my self visible 18:00 which i guess is the best possible ending for rce via twitch chat 18:00 FIQ: something like 12 different colors are needed 18:00 you can make 12 colors that, say, protanopes can tell apart 18:00 I mean for example, our greens on traffic light is heavily cyan-tinted 18:00 but then people with normal color vision won't be able to tell them apart 18:00 to help people with red-green colorblindness 18:01 https://eepower.com/uploads/education/resistor_color_codes_chart.png 18:01 ais523: sure, you would probably not be able to account for everyone 18:01 but you should be able to make it work for a large selection 18:01 so I think the colors are optimized for people with normal color vision 18:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of cold 18:01 which is better than not doing it at all 18:01 IMO 18:02 right, you need 12 colors, plus a background that they're all visible against (normally either beige or dark cyan) 18:02 also couldn't you cheat 18:02 and have multicolor 18:02 using color as the only way to convey info is goofy to me 18:02 striped etc 18:02 I can see it being the only shorthand 18:02 to increase the selections you have 18:02 the idea is that you can read the color bands from any angle 18:03 these things are only about 1mm thick 18:03 because the resistors are small 18:03 ah 18:03 and normally you can only see one side of them 18:03 I can imagine using dotted and dashed lines to convery the information, that would probably be readable 18:03 that is what I meant 18:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Val Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1676 18:05 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:06 [hdf-eu] [nh370] nurdglaw (Ran Elf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:3905 18:06 resistors are weird – they're very small, and so cheap that a friend of mine used to buy them in bulk and tear them apart as a way of relieving stress 18:08 most components just have their value printed on them but resistors are too small for that to work 18:08 [hdf-eu] [nh370] nurdglaw (Ran Elf Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3989 18:08 (nowadays, some capacitors are so small that they also need to use the bands-of-colors method, but most are large enough to just have digits written on them) 18:10 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Pri Inc Mal Neu) wished for "blessed +2 gauntlets of spell power", on T:49711 18:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Val Hum Fem Law) destroyed nabru's ghost, the former Bandit, on T:2158 18:18 [hdf-us] [un] hothraxxa (Cav Dwa Fem Law) entered Sheol, on T:51704, rt[1 day, 7:18:53] 18:19 !whereis Kevkat 18:19 nabru: [hdf-us] Kevkat [nh370]: (Val Hum Fem Law) T:2022 The Gnomish Mines level: 5 18:21 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Mad Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:7963 18:28 [hdf-us] [nh343] Disco (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:34644 18:28 [hdf-us] [nh343] Disco (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) picked up the Book of the Dead, on T:34646 18:29 [hdf-us] [nh343] Disco (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:34656 18:30 [hdf-us] [nh343] Disco (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:34661 18:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] dolio (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:42821 18:34 [hdf-us] [nh343] Disco (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:34849 18:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1574 18:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Val Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3623 18:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) averted death (poisoned by a killer bee), on T:1938 18:40 not today, team a 18:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) consulted the Oracle, on T:2128 18:45 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 18:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Ana Vam Mal Cha) killed Bael, on T:48431 18:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 6284 points, T:3106, killed by a dart 18:48 -!- phinxy has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:50 -!- ChrisANG has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:50 -!- phinxy has joined 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sleeping 19:47 [hdf-au] [evil] Umbire (Ran Gno Fem Cha) had a cloak of invisibility entrusted to her by Mars, on T:20043 19:50 jonadab: I found a bench 19:50 so I tried to walk up to it and #sit 19:50 why does the game think I intended to sit on the floor? 19:50 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:50 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Pri Inc Mal Neu) destroyed the Arsenal, on T:52406 19:51 [hdf-eu] [4k] FIQ (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) unlocked the Ranger role by using stairs, on T:393 19:53 i reported that a while back 19:53 [hdf-us] [nh343] Disco (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 621376 points, T:35915, quit 19:53 only happens if you are in full health 19:53 otherwise your hp are restored 19:55 [hdf-eu] [4k] FIQ (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) unlocked the Rogue role by using long stairs, on T:1372 19:56 "woman, your life force is running out" 19:56 shouldn't that be Woman? 19:56 [hdf-eu] [4k] FIQ (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 4446 points, T:1394, killed by a gnome 19:59 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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I assume it's woman-at-arms or something? 20:30 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Kas, on T:83168 20:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Val Hum Fem Law) destroyed OpticSugar's ghost, the former Bandit, on T:7457 20:33 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Val Hum Fem Law) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:3164 20:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] haldisse (Bar Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Sokoban bag of holding, on T:17579 20:39 GURRRL, y'life force is runnin' out 20:44 [hdf-us] [ndnh] gpsalmoncannon (Mad Swn Fem Cha) entered the adventure town for the first time, on T:3930 20:46 -!- fakepass has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:46 [hdf-eu] [nh370] ClaireVoyance (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:30604 20:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] dolio (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) genocided class m, on T:45832 20:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] dolio (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +2 helm of brilliance", on T:45837 20:58 -!- Guest22 has joined #hardfought 20:59 [hdf-eu] [nh370] ClaireVoyance (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Warrior (level 14), on T:31107 21:00 <@shorem (ES)> thank you ray peat for existing 21:00 <@shorem (ES)> god bless 21:01 [hdf-us] [gnoll] BaeHund (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 20000 points, T:755, killed by a boulder 21:07 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Kni Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Vecna, on T:84169 21:09 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Ana Vam Mal Cha) killed Daemon, on T:50557 21:10 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Pri Elf Mal Neu), 48536 points, T:23468, zombified by a gnome zombie 21:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] dolio (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:46117 21:11 !lastgame k2 21:11 nabru: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/dnethack/dumplog/1587912127.dnh.txt | [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/evilhack/dumplog/1652980379.evil.html | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/unnethack/dumplog/1554813580.un.txt.html 21:12 -!- lxlldr has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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gpsalmoncannon (Ndr-Nob Dro Fem Cha) wished for "blessed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:3837 22:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Pri Hum Mal Law), 1514 points, T:3180, killed by a killer bee 22:45 [hdf-us] [evil] lgxia (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the Goblin King, on T:10711 22:48 [hdf-us] [ndnh] gpsalmoncannon (Ndr-Nob Dro Fem Cha) was given the Sceptre of Lolth, on T:4626 22:51 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Ana Vam Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:52092 22:56 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:58 [hdf-us] [ndnh] gpsalmoncannon (Ndr-Nob Dro Fem Cha) entered the adventure town for the first time, on T:5417 23:02 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Cav Gia Fem Law) had Keolewa bestowed upon her by Anu, on T:13863 23:02 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Cav Gia Fem Law) averted death (poisoned by a bone orcish arrow), on T:13884 23:04 -!- screamingskull has joined #hardfought 23:05 [hdf-us] [ndnh] gpsalmoncannon (Ndr-Nob Dro Fem Cha) was given Tobiume, on T:6338 23:08 -!- ChrisANG has quit [Ping 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Mal Law), 273 points, T:1043, killed by a brown mold 23:36 -!- ChrisANG has joined #hardfought 23:36 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Ana Vam Mal Cha) killed the elder priest of Moloch, on T:52339 23:45 [hdf-us] [evil] Storm (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed for the first time, on T:38319 23:46 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Ana Vam Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:52884 23:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] dolio (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:52037 23:50 [hdf-us] [ndnh] gpsalmoncannon (Bin Dro Fem Non) entered the adventure town for the first time, on T:1821 23:52 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Ana Vam Mal Cha) destroyed Death, on T:52994 23:55 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Sam Hum Mal Law), 725 points, T:462, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted giant rat 23:56 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Ana Vam Mal Cha) destroyed Pestilence, on T:53043 23:57 -!- ChrisANG has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:59 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Ana Vam Mal Cha) destroyed Famine, on T:53088 23:59 [hdf-us] [ndnh] gpsalmoncannon (Bin Dro Fem Non), 20475 points, T:2604, killed by a warg