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02:14 that was a typo 02:14 Ah damn 02:15 !pom 02:15 cathartes: The moon is waning crescent; new moon in 3 days. 02:16 yeah, it's not even new moon, shouldn't have kept it in open inventory 02:20 [hdf-us] [nh4] Adam (SleepyAdam) (Ran Hum Mal Neu), 20900 points, T:475, killed by a gnome 02:22 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 02:23 [hdf-us] [evil] Mosh (Cav Gia Fem Law), 867 points, T:2357, killed by a rabid dog 02:24 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 02:25 [hdf-eu] [nh370] cathartes (Ran Elf Fem Cha) bestowed with Sting by Mars, on T:10427 02:28 [hdf-eu] [nh370] chip (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 215352 points, T:26909, quit 02:30 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 02:38 [hdf-eu] [nh370] cathartes (Ran Elf Fem Cha) chosen to steal souls for the Glory of Mars, on T:10860 02:38 [hdf-eu] [nh370] cathartes (Ran Elf Fem Cha) bestowed with Stormbringer, on T:10860 02:39 well, that's how I was planning to get my resistances, guess I don't have to eat corpses now 02:41 totally could have kept vegan if I didn't typo that eating 02:50 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 02:53 [hdf-us] [evil] ssnufd (Rog Hob Fem Neu) killed Aphrodite, on T:15039 02:55 [hdf-eu] [nh370] chip (Mon Hum Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:2230 02:57 [hdf-eu] [nh370] cathartes (Ran Elf Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:12048 03:03 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:17 -!- cathartes has quit [Quit: fly away] 03:19 -!- ElijahtheUnspeak has quit [Quit: Bridge terminating on SIGTERM] 03:19 -!- unit327[m] has quit [Quit: Bridge terminating on SIGTERM] 03:20 -!- Demo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:20 -!- Demo1 has joined #hardfought 03:20 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Demo1] by ChanServ 03:25 -!- unit327[m] has joined #hardfought 03:27 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 03:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Pri Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Sokoban bag of holding, on T:13668 03:37 -!- Elijah[m]1 has joined #hardfought 03:38 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 2395 points, T:4316, killed by a killer bee 03:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cloudmillion (Bar Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:12018 03:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] SrinivasSamJespe (Tou Hum Mal Neu) bestowed with Magicbane by The Lady, on T:8062 03:49 [hdf-us] [spl] aximili (Wiz Hum Nbn Neu) killed the invisible Malcanthet, on T:40082 03:57 [hdf-us] [spl] aximili (Wiz Hum Nbn Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:40263 04:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Pri Hum Fem Cha) wished for "blessed amulet of reflection", on T:14484 04:01 [hdf-us] [spl] aximili (Wiz Hum Nbn Neu) killed Mephistopholes, on T:40412 04:04 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 04:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cloudmillion (Bar Hum Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:13384 04:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] SrinivasSamJespe (Tou Hum Mal Neu) changed form for first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:9584 04:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cloudmillion (Bar Hum Fem Cha) entered the Bigroom, on T:14309 04:35 [hdf-us] [spl] aximili (Wiz Hum Nbn Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 4 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:40681 04:38 [hdf-us] [evil] Mosh (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 4 points, T:109, poisoned by a rotted gnome corpse 04:40 -!- pescepalla has joined #hardfought 04:41 Demo1: is #dnethack yours? 04:42 if so its not registered and you may want to poke staff about getting it registered 04:43 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 04:50 [hdf-us] [spl] anovis (Rog Hum Mal Cha) destroyed nabru's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:2396 04:53 [hdf-us] [spl] anovis (Rog Hum Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2548 04:55 [hdf-us] [spl] anovis (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 2760 points, T:2596, dismembered by a wolf, while praying 04:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cloudmillion (Bar Hum Fem Cha) bestowed with Cleaver by Set, on T:15931 04:58 [hdf-us] [4k] killer (deadmeat) (Bar Hum Mal Neu) became pious, on T:1372 05:00 -!- Elijah[m]1 has quit [Quit: You have been kicked for being idle] 05:04 [hdf-eu] [xnh] Raisse (Arc Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:5671 05:09 [hdf-us] [evil] Mosh (Cav Gia Fem Law), 1265 points, T:4199, killed by a piranha 05:16 [hdf-us] [4k] killer (deadmeat) (Bar Hum Mal Neu) entered the Minetown temple, on T:4064 05:17 [hdf-eu] [xnh] Raisse (Arc Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a werejackal, on T:6783 05:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Pri Hum Fem Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:15426 05:19 [hdf-eu] [xnh] Raisse (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 5096 points, T:7121, killed by a wand 05:21 -!- Semilg has joined #hardfought 05:29 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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(www.adiirc.com)] 07:39 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Ith Fem Una) rejected atheism by offering a pony corpse on an altar of Offler, on T:9209 07:43 [hdf-us] [4k] killer (deadmeat) (Bar Hum Mal Neu) entered the Minetown temple, on T:4586 07:44 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 07:50 [hdf-eu] [nh370] chip (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:8122 07:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Pri Elf Fem Cha) became literate by naming Sting, on T:2481 07:57 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Inf Ith Fem Una), 20504 points, T:10184, killed by the wrath of Moloch 08:02 [hdf-us] [nh4] Irelia (hackedhead) (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 8201 points, T:363, killed by a goblin 08:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Pri Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3003 08:14 [hdf-eu] [slth] mobileuser (Cav Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +2 gauntlets of power", on T:27027 08:19 ais523 | do you remember fixing anything like that in FIQHack, or do I need to try to figure it out myself? 08:19 Yes, and I remember mentioning it to jonadab I think? Same as the timer bug but for light sources 08:22 !tell qt when thinking of bug music, I'm reminded of a game I played as a kid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlG7a96Q2aE 08:22 Will do, FIQ! 08:24 i was thinking of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc559P79fDw 08:25 ais523 | (NH4 does actually skip "boring" turns, such as turns in the middle of a travel command, to help keep the save file size down) 08:25 this is only true for the differ; commands are still printed out 08:25 in fact, this is why fiqhack's replaymode works at all 08:28 I am a bit frustrated that at one point I actually had my replaymode fully operational besides option changes and non-buggy (except for options as mentioned) but when I tried to incorporate option handling, I gbroke everything lol 08:28 oh well 08:29 Demo1: fh's backwards-compatible save handling doesn't rely on the nh4 save system at all 08:29 beyond the fact that there are unused fields 08:30 it would be very simple to apply to nh3 08:31 PR when 08:33 you want a PR for it? 08:33 K2: here is an example of how it's used: fiqhack commit 8abeebfb40567f29edf293bea31c8ecff60cd904 08:33 https://github.com/FredrIQ/fiqhack/commit/8abeebfb40567f29edf293bea31c8ecff60cd904 08:33 see the restore.c diff 08:34 basically what the game does is save a field in flag, save_revision 08:35 this is saved early on (if done in a NH3 manner, it would ideally be written as the very first field saved) 08:35 no, PR when for nh3 08:35 :) 08:35 K2: I'm merely just trying to show you how it's used 08:36 in case it's acceptable or not in NH3 08:36 basically, every time save compat is broken, something like the code in the save.c diff needs to be applied 08:37 (usually it's much simpler than that, I needed to manually tweak the heart of ahrimans in the game -- and I don't know where it is) 08:39 K2: fwiw I don't think nh3 cares about save compat 08:39 if you're asking me to PR to vanilla 08:39 have they even bothered making saves portable yet? 08:39 does save compat even matter for 3.7 PRs assuming 3.7 breaks save compat anyway? 08:40 think of 3.8, or 3.7.1 08:40 stenno: well if I was maintainer of 3.7, I'd be happy to apply a PR that would make *future* save breaks compatible 08:40 even if it doesn't help for 3.7 specifically 08:40 <+FIQ> it would be very simple to apply to nh3 <--- send a PR to the devteam, see what they do 08:40 If you say so, but I don't have high hopes 08:40 oh i understand now 08:41 i wonder if they will release 3.7 before junethack 08:41 dont be a glass half empty person, FIQ. glass is half full 08:41 F U L L 08:42 stenno prob not 08:42 don't really think so either 08:42 haven't even played my first proper dev game since the DSM changes yet :/ 08:43 i dont know what their design goal is, as in 'fix all and add to get out of dev status' 08:43 i assume at least fixing all 3.6.6 bugs 08:44 or those which are fixable 08:44 Pat just fixed an old bug a few hours ago 08:44 can you still pull a leashed dog under a closed door 08:44 oho 08:44 From a report by a beta tester 8 years ago: kicking a chest gave 08:44 "THUD! The chest explodes!" but the chest remained intact. 08:45 hah 08:45 i love nethack for stuff like that 08:45 properly destroying object seems to be a science in itself for nethack 08:45 'You kick FIQ. THUD! FIQ explodes!' 08:46 ItExplodes! 08:46 hell yeah, nethack had complex physical interacts way before modern games even attempted it 08:47 people talk about havok 2 and halflife 2 engines, but never about nethack smh 08:47 TIL microsoft bought havok in 2015 08:48 i remember when physx was a thing, all the talk about it 08:48 [hdf-eu] [xnh] breadmaster (Val Dwa Fem Law), 7114 points, T:5593, killed by a leocrotta 08:49 looks like it still is a thing 08:50 yay foss physics 08:50 quite rare 08:50 -!- unit327[m] has joined #hardfought 08:51 K2: ok so I investigated the NH3 save code 08:52 that was fast 08:52 did you return unscathed 08:53 it already saves version data 08:53 see check_version 08:53 in version.c 08:53 all that needs to change is that the game makes use of it 08:55 [hdf-eu] [nh370] chip (Mon Hum Mal Cha) entered the Bigroom, on T:10608 08:58 so instead of bailing out and *delete the save file* (why does NH3 do this...?) 08:58 just continue to load the save, and for the new data, check the version field to ensure that it's actually there 08:58 if not, skip it (and load a default value if nonzero) 09:05 343 likes to throw away saves over nothing 09:05 I think the least sensitive nh3 save based variant is probably dnh 09:07 Demo1: yes, if the game notices that it has been configured with a different set of options, it will return an error when trying to load the save: Configuration incompatibility for file '%s'. Deleting the save file... 09:08 this "feature" is still there in 3.7 09:08 it deletes the savegame, wut? 09:08 hm i guess it makes sense 09:09 given that you are only supposed to have a single savegame, if its corrupt, gotta throw it away to not block the whole game 09:10 slex fixes this 09:10 and gives you a prompt of if you wanna keep it or not 09:10 ndnh1 took the slex fix and I think later down the line dnh did as well 09:10 in which situation would you want to keep it? 09:11 when you fucked up and loaded the save with the wrong binary 09:11 and you still wanna keep the save 09:11 ahh, more good slex ideas 09:11 those are fairly rare IME :P 09:13 doesn't actually seem to be that relevant to be brutally honest 09:13 for dev stuff it would be, probably 09:13 you lose your save on a public server 09:14 from the admin messing something up and it loading on a newer versioned binary 09:14 and then tell me it isn't relevant 09:14 with the prompt u can be like holy shit no do not delete and then ask the admin whats going on 09:14 i would blame the admin for that, not nethacks save system :P 09:14 -!- Semilg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:14 but yeah, fair enough 09:14 you are just spoiled by playing on a server with a good admin 09:14 yes 09:14 [hdf-eu] [nh370] chip (Mon Hum Mal Cha) polymorphed his first item, on T:12017 09:15 i can see how that is relevant for server admins too 09:15 yeah id what that cause it makes it slightly harder for people to come for my head 09:15 did nh devteam finally dropped the paradigm of not supporting server play explicitely? 09:15 I'm not sure honestly 09:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) bestowed with Magicbane by Thoth, on T:1718 09:16 i remember with FRs in the past it was like 'this is only relevant for server play therefore we wont merge it' 09:16 does nao run its own branch for 37? 09:16 i assume the atmosphere is a bit different now with actual server admins on the devteam 09:16 like hdf does? 09:16 don't think so 09:16 i think NAO only runs unmodified vanilla 09:16 yeah I think if you have something that impacts server play you can try to bother the nao admin 09:16 does NAO even run 3.7 at all? 09:17 because he has his hands in both pots 09:17 3.4.3-NAO of course was highly patched, and a lot of those things found their way into vanilla 09:17 still no UTF8graphics though :v 09:18 vanilla is missing out with options to set custom utf8 symbols for monsters 09:19 SYMBOLS is well meant but not as powerful as it could be 09:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 5511 points, T:5826, killed by an owlbear 09:22 i think the stuff regarding livelogging is already a 'server-only' change 09:27 [hdf-us] [xnh] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 65 points, T:163, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 09:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 8 points, T:141, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 09:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 362 points, T:957, killed by a giant bat 09:30 [hdf-us] [un] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 418 points, T:510, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 09:30 that's why #chronicle 09:32 also utf8 is so easy to add to nethack, just need this one trick developers don't want you to know 09:32 :D 09:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] zantyr (Val Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:4754 09:32 does it start with P and ends with R? 09:34 tbf NAO-3.4.3 did it and unnethack also did it 09:34 dunno what kind of wizardry you had to apply to make it work 09:35 they don't work in situations like "look at map, show symbol on message line" 09:35 and some other cases. 09:35 i see 09:35 -!- Sgeo has joined #hardfought 09:37 [hdf-eu] [nh370] chip (Mon Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed greased fixed amulet of reflection", on T:12848 09:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] zantyr (Val Hum Fem Law) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:4912 09:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Pri Elf Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:6462 09:42 -!- fakepass has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:43 honestly 343nao is probably my favorite vanilla like variant (the influence it has had) 09:44 inb4 'its not a variant' 09:44 3.4.3-NAO was as if the devteam listened to the community 09:45 it was a big part of what kept nethack alive during 3.4.3 09:45 3.6.0 wouldn't have been percieved as so bad if it wasn't for something as good as 3.4.3-NAO 09:47 same goes for /dev/null unfortunately 09:47 -!- qt has joined #hardfought 09:47 /dev/null really demonstrated how bad vanilla 3.4.3 was, once a year 09:49 its hard for me to even really be bothered about any vanilla change that i dont like 09:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:5099 09:49 look at all those options https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/389212978030968832/957999840288202822/unknown.png 09:50 vanilla 3.4.3 was not that as such. it didn't profit from the many years of bugfixing that went in to 3.4.3-nao. but that was really bad for /dev/null, as it didn't get those bug fixes either and in a tournament setting that's terrible 09:50 bhaak: the 3.4.3 bugs were _marked as solved_ on the nethack page 09:51 stenno: yes, but 3.4.4 didn't happen :) 09:52 for what we know now, also, those bugs were also marked fixed when only fixed in the post 3.4 branch. 09:54 blep 09:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Pri Elf Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:7503 09:55 Demo1: the kind of patches getting put into vanilla shows the direction, or the concepts, that the devteam has wrt nethack and roguelikes in general 09:55 vanilla but we start over again with 343-hdf :) 09:56 no, 3.7 is great 09:56 i really should like nh4 more than I do 09:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 797 points, T:1622, killed by a gnome lord 09:56 3.6.5+ and 3.7 are better than 3.4.3-NAO 09:56 why 09:58 well i can only speak for me personally, but they addressed a lot of things that upset me in the past 09:58 they are working with the variant devs, and some of the old variant devs are part of the devteam 09:59 and those people, i assume, have a much better wire to the community 09:59 i mean on paper it seems like the best possible scenario 09:59 but then why dont i like the actual result 09:59 maybe my expectations are too high because it sounds so good on paper 09:59 like with negative expectations this is a great end result 09:59 i just have the feeling that the new devteam now listens much closer to the community, case in point that reddit post a day or two ago 09:59 [hdf-us] [4k] killer (deadmeat) (Bar Hum Mal Neu) reached the bottom of the Mines, on T:7393 10:00 Demo1: what are your points of critique? 10:00 -!- Semilg has joined #hardfought 10:00 just a lot of balance changes i dont agree with 10:00 no exploding rocks in sokoban 10:01 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Kni Dwa Fem Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 10:01 i kind of forgot cause i dont really play much of it until i forget why i dont and then i do and then i find out why 10:01 trap danger is one off the top of my head that is whacky 10:01 yes, traps 10:02 but, there have been changes here too recently 10:02 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Cav Gia Fem Law), 75 points, T:264, killed by a sewer rat 10:02 i think there is a general discussion of those unpredictable random events in roguelikes 10:02 nethack is not a roguelike 10:02 (one about which i have very strong opinions) 10:02 that's spelt rougelike 10:02 <@Eternal Guardian> It's spelled roguelike. 10:02 like i mean obviously it is 10:03 its not a dungeon crawler like crawl 10:03 but i dont like doing roguelikey changes to nethack just cause it can be put in the same box as other games 10:03 nethack is nethack 10:03 i think the restrictions of roguelikes is what makes them so amazing 10:03 i dont like putting things in boxes 10:04 we could argue if bones files are against berlin interpretation.. 10:04 i like it a lot 10:04 i love genres 10:04 with each genre there come certain restrictions and tropes 10:05 like if a game calls itself 'roguelike', i will look how it implemented those tropes and how it handled the restrictions 10:06 bethesda called 'prey - mooncrash' a roguelike because enemies are somewhat randomly generated 10:06 oh its not tagged 'roguelike' on steam anymore 10:07 [hdf-eu] [nh370] chip (Mon Hum Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:13475 10:08 what you are saying that if nethack wouldn't call itself 'roguelike', it had much more opportunities regarding gameplay? 10:08 does nethack call itself a roguelike? 10:08 how long has it called itself a roguelike if so? 10:09 there are references to rgrn in the game, you could stretch that to mean it's acknowledging it is a roguelike 10:09 qt: Message from FIQ at 2022-03-28 08:22 EDT: when thinking of bug music, I'm reminded of a game I played as a kid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlG7a96Q2aE 10:09 i just dont like titles they are just kind of constrictive. like the merit of taking some ideas from some other similar game should be on "they work well in nethack" not "they work well in this game and they are similar games so shitll probably also work well idk man" 10:09 RGRN is on rec.games.roguelike 10:10 hmmmm 10:10 The origin of the term "roguelike" came from USENET newsgroups around 1993, 10:11 i kind of agree with you both. i can see how genres can be beneficial but I don't really think about them much 10:11 if nethack claims to be a roguelike, i would expect certain 'rules' and tropes related to that genre 10:11 if nethack just claims to be 'a game', of course its useless to measure the game by those tropes 10:12 i think it is safe to say that nethack does claim to be a game, at the very least 10:12 does nethack call itself a game? and how long has it called itself a game if so? 10:14 does having build options to install to the game directory on your system count as identifying as a game? 10:15 does having build options to install itself to the home directory count as identifying as a house!? I don't think so 10:15 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Cav Gia Fem Law), 494 points, T:2367, killed by Ms. Kinnegad; the shopkeeper 10:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Mon Hum Mal Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:4870 10:15 [hdf-us] [un] basilikos (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered the Town, on T:5613, rt[1:14:40] 10:15 nethack is a house 10:16 What is NetHack? 10:16 conclusion: the dt needs to replace the roof, it's been too long 10:16 NetHack is a single player dungeon exploration game 10:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 8077 points, T:4930, killed by a dwarf lady 10:32 NetHack is a sin 10:32 (gle player dungeon exploration game) 10:32 [hdf-us] [xnh] zoya (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 38436 points, T:12945, killed by an ogre 10:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 2054 points, T:2464, killed by a mumak 10:36 a beautiful, tasty, sexy sin 10:36 not that sexy 10:38 <@nabru> nethack can be sexy, we already have foocubi 10:39 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Cav Gia Fem Law) had Keolewa bestowed upon her by Anu, on T:4565 10:39 [hdf-us] [evil] Gutso (Cav Gia Fem Law), 1516 points, T:4586, killed by an earth elemental of Ishtar 10:40 -!- ssnufd has joined #hardfought 10:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] zantyr (Val Hum Fem Law), 4292 points, T:6483, killed by a dagger 10:46 [hdf-us] [evil] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Trollsbane bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:7486 10:55 [hdf-us] [xnh] every (Ran Hum Fem Neu) entered the Bigroom, on T:16928 10:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alvietron (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Bartlem's ghost, the former Cutpurse, on T:2495 10:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 384 points, T:815, killed by a giant bat, while frozen by a floating eye's gaze 10:58 [hdf-us] [4k] killer (deadmeat) (Bar Hum Mal Neu) entered the Sokoban zoo, on T:12851 11:03 [hdf-us] [xnh] every (Ran Hum Fem Neu), 29457 points, T:17354, quit 11:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 107 points, T:259, killed by a falling rock 11:03 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 11:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) murdered Tina, his faithful kitten, on T:9 11:06 [hdf-eu] [nh370] chip (Mon Hum Mal Cha) attained the rank of Student of Waters (level 14), on T:15229 11:06 -!- nurdglaw has joined #hardfought 11:06 !who 11:06 nurdglaw: [hdf-us] Trenin [nh370] Bartlem [nh370] WizzyTheWeird [nh370] ryanardito [nh370] zantyr [nh370] Alvietron [nh370] basilikos [un] deadmeat [4k] OpticSugar [nh4] hack84 [slshm] ssnufd [evil] danc [slth] | [hdf-eu] chip [nh370] mobileuser [ndnh] NetSysFire [evil] | [hdf-au] No current players 11:07 [hdf-eu] [nh370] chip (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:15260 11:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alvietron (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3760 11:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] ryanardito (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 18490 points, T:6235, killed by a giant spider, while fainted from lack of food 11:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 9589 points, T:8443, killed by a leocrotta 11:11 -!- nurdglaw has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 4761 points, T:5177, killed by a gnome king 11:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alvietron (Val Dwa Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4466 11:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alvietron (Val Dwa Fem Law) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:4830 11:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alvietron (Val Dwa Fem Law), 4996 points, T:4986, killed by a panther 11:25 -!- nurdglaw has joined #hardfought 11:26 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Brd Inc Mal Neu) was given their Quest, on T:37402 11:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1849 points, T:2393, killed by a killer bee 11:31 [hdf-us] [xnh] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 4 points, T:11, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 11:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 0 points, T:23, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 11:33 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Kni Dwa Nbn Law), 171 points, T:214, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 11:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Mon Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1192 11:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alvietron (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1625 11:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alvietron (Val Dwa Fem Law), 780 points, T:1696, fell into a pit 11:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Pri Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1765 11:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 958 points, T:1794, killed by a giant ant 11:41 [hdf-us] [un] basilikos (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered the Big Room, on T:11702, rt[2:40:55] 11:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alvietron (Val Dwa Fem Law), 446 points, T:1490, killed by a manes 11:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) bestowed with Magicbane by Thoth, on T:1173 11:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:488 11:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 1254 points, T:1740, killed by a pony 11:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1530 12:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Mon Hum Mal Neu) destroyed MoldyWater's ghost, the former Bandit, on T:2302 12:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 667 points, T:2128, killed by a rock piercer 12:04 [hdf-eu] [nh370] nurdglaw (Kni Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:5478 12:04 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Cha), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 12:05 [hdf-us] [un] basilikos (Sam Hum Mal Law), 21782 points, T:13873, killed by a troll 12:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2212 12:10 [hdf-eu] [nh370] nurdglaw (Kni Hum Mal Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a scroll labeled DUAM XNAHT on an altar, on T:5563 12:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Mon Hum Mal Neu) destroyed WizzyTheWeird's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:2783 12:12 [hdf-us] [un] basilikos (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1368, rt[0:06:49] 12:13 [hdf-us] [un] basilikos (Sam Hum Mal Law), 746 points, T:1452, killed by a gnome, while fainted from lack of food 12:14 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Brd Inc Mal Neu) killed Aglaope, on T:38091 12:18 [hdf-us] [un] basilikos (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1149, rt[0:04:47] 12:19 [hdf-us] [dnh] guest99987 (Ana Dro Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1657 12:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] zantyr (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1332 12:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 3421 points, T:2925, killed by a gnome, while sleeping off a magical draught 12:26 [hdf-us] [un] basilikos (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered Minetown, on T:2065, rt[0:12:12] 12:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] zantyr (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1396 points, T:1437, killed by a killer bee 12:28 [hdf-us] [un] basilikos (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered a temple, on T:2197, rt[0:15:09] 12:29 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 12:30 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Dwa Fem Neu) had a copper dagger entrusted to her by Ishtar, on T:24320 12:31 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) bestowed with Magicbane by Thoth, on T:2382 12:34 <@Shadow_Rider> wew its been a while 12:34 -!- Sgeo_ has joined #hardfought 12:35 eyo 12:35 <@Shadow_Rider> ? are my seed games dead forever 12:35 sup 12:35 <@Shadow_Rider> hiya 12:36 not sure what K2 did with the saves but it wasnt being updated because vanilla broke the setseediness of setseed 12:36 <@Shadow_Rider> T_T 12:36 no 12:36 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 12:36 you can play out any existing games, but wont be able to start a new one 12:37 so its no longer online as a playable variant i think, ohhh ok 12:37 <@Shadow_Rider> im pretty sure i had existing games 12:37 i can dbl check 12:37 which server shadow_rider 12:37 <@Shadow_Rider> us 12:37 <@Shadow_Rider> user: Ride 12:37 <@Shadow_Rider> ig 12:38 -!- Sgeo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:38 there's 'shadowrider38' for latest version of setseed, that game ended around end of january 12:39 dont see 'Ride' for that version 12:39 still looking 12:39 <@Shadow_Rider> its not a big deal 12:39