00:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] geojoe (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 1198 points, T:2535, killed by a dwarf, while frozen by a floating eye's gaze 00:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] AgentOfAntinous (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:3251 00:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] AgentOfAntinous (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 1803 points, T:3547, killed by a housecat 00:43 [hdf-au] [xnh] Orcranger (Ran Orc Fem Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:39713 00:46 [hdf-au] [nh370] drunkmonkey (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:16373 00:52 [hdf-au] [xnh] Orcranger (Ran Orc Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:40057 00:53 [hdf-au] [xnh] Orcranger (Ran Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:40058 01:02 [hdf-eu] [evil] Umbire (Mon Elf Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (shocking spheres), on T:22447 01:21 -!- taichi has joined #hardfought 01:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] wmahan (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed Croesus, on T:53912 01:25 orc temple 01:25 orc temple 01:29 YASD 01:30 [hdf-au] [nh370] drunkmonkey (Val Hum Fem Law), 97468 points, T:18774, petrified by a cockatrice 01:30 forgot to equip my weapon 01:33 No gloves, huh? 01:38 I hadn't found any 01:39 [hdf-eu] [evil] Umbire (Mon Elf Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:23442 01:39 Unfortunate 01:44 @antigulp mtrack keeps track of X last locations the monster was in 01:59 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:59 [hdf-au] [nh370] drunkmonkey (Val Hum Fem Law) signified by divine providence, was chosen to carry Excalibur, on T:2623 02:01 -!- spicyCebolla has left #hardfought 02:02 [hdf-au] [nh370] drunkmonkey (Val Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3010 02:03 [hdf-au] [nh370] drunkmonkey (Val Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:3180 02:11 [hdf-au] [nh370] drunkmonkey (Val Hum Fem Law) became literate by engraving "els", on T:4075 02:20 -!- drunkmonkey has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:24 -!- b93 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:34 Woo god gave telepathy 02:43 [hdf-au] [4k] Hassan (eggra) (Bar Hum Mal Law) entered the Minetown temple, on T:1855 02:43 [hdf-au] [4k] Hassan (eggra) (Bar Hum Mal Law) unlocked the Monk role by entering the Minetown temple, on T:1855 02:43 [hdf-au] [4k] Hassan (eggra) (Bar Hum Mal Law) unlocked the Hoplite role by converting an altar's alignment, on T:1864 02:43 [hdf-au] [4k] Hassan (eggra) (Bar Hum Mal Law) unlocked the valkyrie race by converting an altar's alignment, on T:1864 02:44 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:45 [hdf-au] [4k] Hassan (eggra) (Bar Hum Mal Law), 11514 points, T:1869, killed by a priest of Crom 02:54 [hdf-eu] [evil] Umbire (Mon Elf Fem Neu) made her first artifact wish - "blessed fixed +2 Dragonbane", on T:26877 02:55 No player monster! 02:55 No +2 either, though... 03:07 Hi segmented Big Room 03:08 [hdf-au] [slshm] eggra (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 3365 points, T:1392, quit 03:17 [hdf-us] [dnh] tinklebear (Sam Hum Fem Law) wished for "magic marker", on T:71008 03:31 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 03:35 -!- anselmus has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 03:35 -!- hackemslashem has joined #hardfought 03:35 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:39 -!- hackemslashem has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:57 [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Kni Clk Fem Law) killed Cerberus, on T:11052 04:00 -!- Terexen has quit [Quit: Saraba] 04:07 [hdf-eu] [evil] Umbire (Mon Elf Fem Neu) had a bone-carved staff entrusted to her by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:29329 04:08 -!- Terexen has joined #hardfought 04:10 [hdf-eu] [nh370] torpedovariant (Val Dwa Fem Law) bribed Asmodeus with 1 zorkmid for safe passage, on T:31886 04:15 [hdf-eu] [nh370] torpedovariant (Val Dwa Fem Law) bribed Baalzebub with 1 zorkmid for safe passage, on T:32568 04:17 [hdf-eu] [nh370] torpedovariant (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:32797 04:20 [hdf-us] [fh] killer (deadmeat) (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 26181 points, T:1785, killed by a gnome lord 04:24 [hdf-eu] [nh370] torpedovariant (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:33286 04:25 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 04:28 [hdf-eu] [nh370] torpedovariant (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:33633 04:28 [hdf-eu] [nh370] torpedovariant (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:33641 04:29 [hdf-eu] [evil] Umbire (Mon Elf Fem Neu) became Chih Sung-tzu's Envoy of Balance, on T:30187 04:30 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:42 can master mindflayers unlock doors? 04:45 [hdf-eu] [nh370] torpedovariant (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:34872 04:47 Only if they have keys 04:47 Or any unlocking tool but yeah 04:47 ah good 04:48 I locked one in on orcus :P 04:49 [hdf-us] [fh] killer (deadmeat) (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 28517 points, T:3247, quit 04:50 do mindflayers cast spells? I mean, to do something with the brainpower they eat 04:50 or is it just the mindflayer spellcasters in evilhack? 04:56 <@riker> normal ones don't, that's correct 05:00 [hdf-eu] [nh370] torpedovariant (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:35834 05:00 [hdf-eu] [nh370] torpedovariant (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:35841 05:02 [hdf-eu] [nh370] torpedovariant (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:35863 05:04 [hdf-eu] [nh370] torpedovariant (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:36018 05:05 [hdf-eu] [nh370] torpedovariant (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:36023 05:10 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:17 [hdf-eu] [nh370] torpedovariant (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:37420 05:18 yani: wishing for dragon scale mail in evilhack should give you a dragon wearing it to fight for it 05:19 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 05:20 [hdf-eu] [nh370] torpedovariant (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Astral Plane, on T:37589 05:21 [hdf-eu] [nh370] torpedovariant (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Pestilence, on T:37602 05:22 [hdf-eu] [nh370] torpedovariant (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2136898 points, T:37622, ascended 05:22 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/t/torpedovariant/nethack/dumplog/1642794274.nh.html 05:23 gg 05:23 gg 05:23 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:28 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:30 -!- bugsniper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:34 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 05:35 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law) was given Xiuhcoatl, on T:5979 05:46 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:8035 05:52 -!- CosmicDJ_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:53 -!- CosmicDJ has joined #hardfought 06:02 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law) was given Fire Brand, on T:12668 06:04 [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Kni Clk Fem Law) killed the Grue, on T:15861 06:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Bar Hum Fem Cha) bribed Asmodeus with 134 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:42855 06:09 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 06:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Bar Hum Fem Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:42939 06:11 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law) was given the Holy Moonlight Sword, on T:15071 06:13 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 06:13 [hdf-eu] [nh370] torpedovariant (Tou Hum Fem Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3041 06:13 [hdf-eu] [nh370] torpedovariant (Tou Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a werejackal, on T:3074 06:16 stella: tnnt should have the realtime display. 3.7-hdf not yet. I haven't looked into the changed status lines yet. this will happen at some point, though. but no promised deadlines 06:16 -!- taichi has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Bar Hum Fem Cha) bribed Baalzebub with 201 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:43583 06:18 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:21 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law) killed Cerberus, on T:16568 06:32 [hdf-eu] [nh370] torpedovariant (Tou Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Excursionist, on T:4890 06:32 whee took on a displacer beast bare-handed 06:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Bar Hum Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:44447 06:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Bar Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:44449 06:38 [hdf-eu] [nh370] torpedovariant (Tou Hum Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:5585 06:38 [hdf-eu] [nh370] torpedovariant (Tou Hum Fem Neu) entered a temple, on T:5616 06:40 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law) was given Rhongomyniad, on T:18409 06:42 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:47 [hdf-us] [fh] killer (deadmeat) (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 33895 points, T:7196, killed by a fire ant 06:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Bar Hum Fem Cha) attained the rank of Reaver, on T:45711 06:57 [hdf-eu] [nh370] torpedovariant (Tou Hum Fem Neu) had Vorpal Blade bestowed upon her by The Lady, on T:7416 07:07 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 07:07 -!- Terexen has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:07 [hdf-au] [4k] Zack (eggra) (Shi Hum Mal Law), 6777 points, T:1304, quit 07:11 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:45 -!- fakepass has joined #hardfought 07:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:19733 08:01 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 08:06 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 603 points, T:1293, killed by a hobgoblin 08:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) attained the rank of Wizard, on T:19893 08:10 [hdf-eu] [nh370] nurdglaw (Sam Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Ninja, on T:3544 08:14 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 08:16 -!- tjw has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:19 [hdf-us] [fh] killer (deadmeat) (Bar Hum Mal Neu) received Cleaver from Crom, on T:4474 08:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Ran Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:925 08:27 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 653 points, T:2140, killed by a rabid rat 08:29 -!- hackemslashem has joined #hardfought 08:30 [hdf-eu] [nh370] torpedovariant (Tou Hum Fem Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:9508 08:31 -!- hackemslashem has quit [Client Quit] 08:32 -!- nurdglaw has joined #hardfought 08:32 [hdf-eu] [nh370] nurdglaw (Sam Hum Mal Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4197 08:36 regarding the online ttyrec player, 08:37 i could just do it on the server side 08:37 but there would be no challenge 08:37 but i would finish it at least 08:37 and it would still be vastly superior to any existing ttyrec player 08:39 maybe i can declare a hiatus on the online-only version until technology improves 08:39 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 08:40 also now i have to consider security things, which suck 08:40 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Arc Dwa Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2170 08:42 it would trivialize the project but i could also finish it 08:47 [hdf-us] [fh] killer (deadmeat) (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 39572 points, T:8113, killed by a vampire lady 08:50 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 1160 points, T:3058, killed by a killer bee 08:51 [hdf-eu] [nh370] torpedovariant (Tou Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed greased +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:13521 08:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] augmentedfourth (Val Dwa Fem Law) signified by divine providence, was chosen to carry Excalibur, on T:2990 08:56 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (hobbits), on T:1 08:57 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Hob Mal Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a scroll of genocide 09:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] augmentedfourth (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3914 09:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:5658 09:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 3 points, T:122, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 09:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:5696 09:02 <@antigulp> !tell paxed Thank you, that's really helpful. I thought it was either that or an array of the steps the monster was planning to take next, but I was having trouble making sense of which. 09:02 paxed shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, @antigulp. 09:02 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Kni Inf Mal Law), 36 points, T:95, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 09:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:11, killed by a bear trap 09:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:38, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 09:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:35029 09:07 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Kni Inf Nbn Cha), 369 points, T:658, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 09:07 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Kni Inf Mal Cha), 54 points, T:29, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 09:08 [hdf-eu] [nh370] torpedovariant (Tou Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Peregrinatrix, on T:16477 09:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:35353 09:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:35354 09:10 <@antigulp> I think I actually understand how a monster decides where to move to next, then; it's just not what I expected. Monsters make a decision each turn about where to move next, with no long-term planning beyond their current turn. A monster that is pursuing the player decides between adjacent squares by first excluding all invalid paths, then moving to whichever of the remaining squares will take them closer to the player. If none will, the monster 09:10 chooses among valid squares, attempting to avoid squares in mtrack[] if possible. 09:10 <@antigulp> All of this, of course, is an oversimplification, and only occurs after several dozen special cases, because this is NetHack, after all. 09:11 sure 09:11 paxed: Message from @antigulp at 2022-01-23 09:02 EST: Thank you, that's really helpful. I thought it was either that or an array of the steps the monster was planning to take next, but I was having trouble making sense of which. 09:11 sounds about right 09:12 i've been slowly working on getting the nh4 monster strategy changes in 3.7, but it's annoying 09:14 eating quantum mechanics only toggles speed right? no teleportitis or such? 09:14 <@antigulp> I can imagine. I did some basic cleanup of set_apparxy() and dochug(), but m_move() is like an enormous maze. 09:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:35596 09:15 m_move is currently the longesst function 09:15 -s 09:15 [hdf-eu] [nh370] torpedovariant (Tou Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:17369 09:16 <@nabru> !ping 09:16 @nabru: Pong! 09:18 <@antigulp> Yup. Over 700 lines :/ 09:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] augmentedfourth (Val Dwa Fem Law), 6440 points, T:6002, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted gargoyle 09:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:35893 09:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) murdered her faithful green slime, on T:35948 09:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:35949 09:22 how many gotos are in it again 09:23 goto is fine CMV 09:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:36037 09:24 goto is fine as long as you don't make a mess out of it 09:24 <@antigulp> There are 16. In my local branch, I've cut it down to 11 by removing them in places where they're not needed. 09:27 [hdf-eu] [nh370] spontiff (Hea Gno Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:52618 09:29 another thing with the nh4 mon strategy thing is that it's so interconnected, i can't split it into smaller chunks. 09:30 of course, i'd love to ais actually add it, but he seems to be busy with non-nethack things these days. 09:30 370-hdf was updated a few hours ago, up to devteam commit 7b87f7b 09:31 goto is fine if you don't want to waste your time writing maintainable code 09:31 there's plenty of maintainable uses of goto though 09:31 (like nethack) 09:31 I've found that goto is rarely needed these days 09:31 cleaning up resources 09:31 goto is def. not neeeded 09:31 stenno: give the people want they want. finish your ttyrec project :P 09:31 cleaning up resources in C may need it 09:31 yeah^ 09:31 K2: i will move it to the server side then 09:31 stenno: C being C, sometimes goto really gives you the best maintanable code. like for example with error handling. 09:32 because i cannot do in the client what i want to do 09:32 but Java, JavaScript and Rust don't have goto at all and I don't miss it 09:32 that's a common idiom in linux device drivers for example 09:32 it's rare, though 09:32 bhaak: oh yeah that might be 09:32 <@antigulp> I'm with jiles and stenno. There are use cases for goto, but they are very rarely needed, and goto is often used wrong. 09:32 I 09:32 its a weakness of the language 09:32 C# has goto but I don't really recall ever using it 09:32 can still do the client side version, but having server side version now, people using it make shake out some bugs you didnt know were there 09:32 C# is the last language that need goto 09:32 indeed, having done some embedded systems work I've had to use goto. Of course I had to be extra careful 09:32 I'd go as far as to say it's not often used wrong at all because noone ever uses it and everyone agrees goto is evil :P 09:32 *may 09:32 C# is awesome 09:32 K2: right 09:32 for higher-level stuff I don't miss it at all 09:33 K2: i will do the preprocessing on the server side 09:33 10 PRINT "HI" 20 GOTO 10 <--- evil goto 09:33 new commit for evilhack? 09:34 another reason goto used to be used was because functions tended to be larger so early return was less possible 09:34 does the wand breaking code still have that goto 09:34 K2: wtf? it should clearly by 0 PRINT "HI"; GOTO 09:34 be* 09:34 also thanks for updating the version k2 09:34 I won that run :) 09:34 \o/ 09:34 > X11: Fix map display for hypothetical huge map 09:34 vanilla larger maps confirmed??? 09:34 :^) 09:35 bignh 09:35 giant maps that fill your whole screen! 09:35 but doing gehennom without able to dig is mildly frustrating :P 09:35 the bigroom has never been so big! 09:35 EPI: increase map size so sokoban can be rotated 45 degrees sometimes 09:35 amateurhour: sure, just change xchar typdef to int and set COLN and ROWNO to whatever you want, and recompile. 09:35 largest i've tested was 1100x1100 09:35 hah 09:35 nice 09:35 bigslex does that 09:35 <@antigulp> nice 09:35 that's huge. YUGE 09:36 paxed: i thought there was a change in the source recently which allowed for 32-bit terminal sizes 09:36 T H I C C maps 09:36 recently like half a year ago 09:36 <@antigulp> The issue I encountered with big maps was they threw off the curses UI since it calculates the map window size via ROWNO and COLNO. 09:37 at least nethack doesn't usually crash anymore. there are other stuff that are buggy and need to be changed before any large maps are viable though 09:38 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Dra Hum Fem Neu), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled baby violet dragon 09:39 [hdf-eu] [nh370] torpedovariant (Tou Hum Fem Neu) just blew up her bag of holding, on T:19222 09:39 ugh 09:39 hm maybe it was a commit for dgl 09:39 last commit 2019, maybe not 09:40 <@antigulp> rip torpedovariant 09:41 missed shift 09:41 was typing !? 09:41 negative lookahead 09:41 oh that was ?! 09:42 F 09:42 D: 09:43 yeah 09:43 so ? turned to / 09:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Ran Elf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Trailblazer, on T:3940 09:43 well at least I didnt have a finished ascension kit yet ;P 09:43 just gonna do rest of gnomish 09:44 (have GDSM and that was my soko reward, also on streak of 1) 09:45 You finish your dressing maneuver. You feel yourself speed up a bit more. 09:45 rng is taking mercy on me 09:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:37250 09:51 !tell bhaak i can still select vampire for an archeologist. i didn't try it so i don't know if it works now but i suspect not 09:51 bhaak shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, hothraxxa. 09:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:37257 09:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:37322 09:53 hothraxxa: the fix didn't yet land on hdf. because I haven't commit it yet :) 09:53 bhaak: Message from hothraxxa at 2022-01-23 09:51 EST: i can still select vampire for an archeologist. i didn't try it so i don't know if it works now but i suspect not 09:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 353 points, T:901, killed by a fire ant 09:54 go team a! 09:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:37376 09:54 !lastgame nabru 09:54 nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/nethack/dumplog/1642947231.nh.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/slashthem/dumplog/1632523371.slth.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/nethack4/dumplog/2020-08-11%2011%3A15%3A06%2C%20Testin%27-Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu%2C%20died.txt 09:54 ah ok. did you add the code that starts me with chromatic dragon scale mail? 09:54 [hdf-eu] [nh370] torpedovariant (Tou Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:20506 09:54 hothraxxa that's only for european players 09:55 hothraxxa: I don't think you will like one of the next commits ... 09:55 hrm 09:55 don't leave me in suspenders 09:57 it will be less likely for a non caveman role to get CDSM 09:58 I might even balance CDSM later down the road. blame hackemslashem2 09:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 2157 points, T:4705, killed by a spotted jelly 09:58 right. i don't like that at all 09:58 is cdsm considered unbalanced? 09:58 in un? 09:58 i think it works out fine 09:58 well what is balance really 09:59 its heavier and you only get it in the lategame 09:59 and you might not even get it if you are unlucky and don't get the drops 09:59 actually not late game in unnh because of the valley portals 09:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:301 09:59 at least not for me. i always go for it right away 09:59 stenno: wand of undead turning 10:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 225 points, T:359, killed by a gnome, while frozen by a potion 10:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:37676 10:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:37678 10:00 undead turning drops your chances way down doesn't it? 10:01 yeah 10:05 but you don't have lots of other uses for them. you can burn them on the chromatic dragon corpses 10:05 even with 1/20, you have quite a good chance to get one with a few charges and 3 corpse 10:11 1/20 gives me a confidence of 50% at how many tries? 10:11 50,60? 10:11 [hdf-eu] [nh370] nurdglaw (Sam Hum Mal Law), 9092 points, T:7342, killed by a soldier ant 10:12 <@hackemslashem> bhaak: Just merge Sheol and dragon caves, and give the CDSM to The Executioner - problem solved! 😄 10:16 even large monsters might not always leave corpses, correct? 10:18 [hdf-us] [dnh] phaperplane2 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Croesus, on T:141115 10:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Ran Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:156 10:20 large monster always leave corpses 10:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:39019 10:21 stenno: 1/20 gives you 50% at ~13. but there are 3 corpses. so it's actually 4. and then this is after you killed them for the first time which has a chance of 1/3 each. which gives you only a 30% of not getting CDSM on the first try 10:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1062 10:22 30% is actually a big number 10:23 for the time being, I readjusted the overall chances to 50%. Tiamat still always drops. so cavepersons can be happy 10:23 well you really don't need the UD charges lol 10:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:39296 10:24 @hackemslashem I finished watching your review. I want to link it from twitter. do you have twitter and I should mention your twitter nick or should I just link with your youtube channel name? 10:24 i think cdsm in un is overrated really 10:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) killed Orcus, on T:20404 10:25 it's a fan favorite though. we can't have happy fans. 10:25 its less good than it seems to be 10:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 431 points, T:1651, killed by a small mimic 10:25 <@hackemslashem> bhaak: No twitter for me, any link is fine 🙂 10:26 i should review un but im just making fun of design choices i disagree with purely because they make it too hard for me 10:26 spottemgottem 10:26 @hackemslashem shops can be in the middle of the level in vanilla, too. but the corridors often prevent that (you need a room with just one door). but unnethack has several corridor building strategies which allow more shops in the middle (which also leads to the less interconnectness you mentioned) 10:26 [hdf-us] [dnh] pagano (Val Inc Fem Neu), 252382 points, T:20047, burned by molten lava 10:26 <@hackemslashem> Next time - I'll get it to brag and bare wield c-corpses 10:27 @hackemslashem the town started out as a place for unique shops that aren't ever generated elsewhere. IIRC it's a mangling of the slashem mall? plus a small joke on the Angband starting level. 10:28 @hackemslashem the idea of the blackmarket is too be expensive :-) it's a place to spend the useless gold that accumulates (and have a high chance to get stuff you really need from, for a price) 10:28 like wands of wishing and magic markers 10:28 <@hackemslashem> whoosh - I still have to play Angband. 10:29 @hackemslashem the crystal pick is lighter than a pick-axe and twice as fast 10:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 2010 points, T:1493, killed by a rabid rat 10:30 @hackemslashem the empty bag of tricks feature is not from the original bot patch, that's AFAIR original to unnethack 10:30 the best thing about it is that it isn't magical 10:30 <@hackemslashem> Oh yes - I figured that is the case, end-game gold is annoying - so I can appreciate that. I like the new version. I don't like the slashem version though - too much stuff to parse for me. 10:30 @hackemslashem also I am not sorry about your stash and pet. which seasoned nethack players just test reads unknown scrolls? ;-) 10:30 <@hackemslashem> umm, me?! 10:30 bhaak slashthem has a fair few things taken from unnethack 10:31 [hdf-eu] [nh370] torpedovariant (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 46162 points, T:21124, killed by a spotted jelly 10:31 <@hackemslashem> Gamble gamble 10:31 the original blackmarket might be more manageable with the new object listing feature from 3.6/3.7 10:31 <@hackemslashem> And the ctrl-F from FIQhack 10:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:39354 10:32 @hackemslashem I agree with your potion alchemy criticism. there are a few changes long coming and I hope to land them soon-ish. 10:32 where is this review that you speak of? 10:32 <@hackemslashem> re: crystal pick - Ok, twice as fast at digging is not bad. So it could actually be used on plane of earth? 10:32 where is this wonderful review? 10:33 <@hackemslashem> i can put link in IRC 10:33 * hothraxxa hands k2 a lead helmet 10:33 :) 10:33 -!- hackemslashem has joined #hardfought 10:33 @hackemslashem the thematic coherence is not something you find in vanilla either. I wonder how you would feel if you only played 3.4.3, though. 3.6+ has taken a lot from unnethack. also, if vanilla didn't have Sokoban, imagine if you played a variant with it :-D 10:33 https://youtu.be/huCr_1nLVoo 10:33 ty 10:34 radio voice 10:34 whoa an hour long? 10:35 <@hackemslashem> I .. had a lot of thoughts? 10:35 hah 10:35 -!- hackemslashem has quit [Client Quit] 10:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) genocided class ;, on T:39489 10:36 bhaak is dutch :)) 10:37 don't be too harsh on him. he's an American. I'm happy that he hit the right continent 10:37 <@hackemslashem> lol, I am american 😛 10:37 heh 10:37 i would never have guessed ;) 10:37 <@hackemslashem> But now Swedish... I'm getting used to EU kind of, been here almost a year 10:37 uppsala is nice 10:38 i just want to see how much overlap there is with my onw gripes 10:38 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcUs5X9glCc 10:38 that's probalby the only reason you didn't claim I'm Swedish. you live there now but when you first arrived there, did you wonder where all the cheese and the chocolate is? 10:38 outsourced 10:38 <@hackemslashem> Oh no, it was everywhere lol 10:40 congrats on the kid 10:40 <@hackemslashem> I'm interested to play Dyna - cause that's a Un fork right? And I have a feeling it hits a lot of the things I talk about 10:40 <@hackemslashem> thanks! 10:41 <@hackemslashem> She's a chaotic valkyrie for sure... 10:41 dynhack is a mash of unnethack and grunthack on nh4-like codebase (nitrohack) 10:41 dyna is a mix on un and nh4 10:41 unnethack version4 I believe 10:41 yes 10:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered the Astral Plane, on T:39672 10:42 dynahack is fun when its not crashing 10:42 its not stable compared to other variants. its considered 'play at your own risk' 10:43 i must be lucky, dyna has almost never crashed on me 10:43 must be 10:43 dunno if you remember the luxidream dynahack incident a few years ago 10:43 [hdf-eu] [nh370] spontiff (Hea Gno Mal Neu) attained the rank of Empiric, on T:55899 10:43 heh, the disintegrator. I remember dying to my pet disintegrator, trying to help it out of a pit. :( 10:43 i remember there was one 10:43 he lost a gazillion parked games or something? 10:43 <@hackemslashem> ooph 10:44 almost did 10:44 30+ 10:44 did K2 save the day 10:44 FIQ did his magic and recovered most of them 10:44 ok weapons training. in unnh it fucking sucks 10:44 savegame recovery has to be its own science 10:44 (where i am in the review) 10:45 @hackemslashem how many variants have you reviewed so far? 10:45 <@hackemslashem> 1 10:45 [hdf-us] [dnh] sflicht (And-Ana And Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:3857 10:45 <@hackemslashem> I've played through Nethack4, and halfway through FIQ... Gotta do maybe one more playthrough of nh4 to cement my thoughts though 10:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Pestilence, on T:39714 10:46 nh4 is the easiest variant of all imo 10:46 neat 10:46 why's that hothraxxa? 10:46 the most difficult thing about nh4 is the interface 10:47 it has a lot of acehack-isms naturally 10:47 <@hackemslashem> Ye - I hacked my way as a monk though and made it more difficult than it should have been 10:47 hackemslashem what drew you to unnethack first? is it because bhaak is dutch? 10:47 amateurhour: based on 3.4.3 and has lots of nanny features 10:47 <@hackemslashem> stenno: how so? 10:48 <@hackemslashem> k2: yes, I need friends he's kind of close right? 10:48 hahah 10:48 <@hackemslashem> k2: But really - convict 10:48 I'm kinda surprised vanilla doesn't have convict still honestly 10:49 that's a rewarding role 10:49 its very hard, so if you ascend it... wooop 10:49 <@hackemslashem> I pacified 1 rat! 10:49 \o/ 10:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) murdered her faithful purple worm, on T:39817 10:50 <@hackemslashem> Best part of convict is you can melee Pesilence 10:51 there should be a conduct for convict ascending with their original ball & chain 10:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Famine, on T:39845 10:51 and shirt 10:51 K2 u have a variant follow ur dreams 10:52