00:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law), 320 points, T:363, killed by a giant mimic 00:06 -!- tinklebear has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 26.1] 00:10 [hdf-us] [dnh] carlarc (Mad Orc Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2437 00:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] JortsValjorts (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:3606 00:19 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Cha), 1794 points, T:2342, quit 00:28 [hdf-us] [slshm] AgentOfAntinous (Wiz Vam Mal Cha), 182 points, T:694, killed by a poisonous corpse 00:30 [hdf-us] [fh] Boop Boop (tinklebear) (Kni Hum Fem Law), 13802 points, T:432, killed by a large mimic 00:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] JortsValjorts (Val Dwa Fem Law), 4650 points, T:5572, killed by a horse, while taking off clothes 00:37 aosdict: yo did u see did u see 00:38 https://nethackscoreboard.org/ascended.xnh.html we got the extended condudcts now 00:38 shud be all correct now 00:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] SkydiveMike (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:138334 00:43 [hdf-us] [slshm] AgentOfAntinous (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 496 points, T:1402, killed by a gnome mummy 00:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] SkydiveMike (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor (10 times), on T:138358 00:50 !time 00:50 Tangles: Tue Jan 11 00:50:03 2022 EST 00:51 oh I was scrolled back to discussion about server time maybe being wrong. The bot reports localtime on the server, and that checks out. 00:52 but then I read more, and K2 said he fixed it :) 00:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 505 points, T:1652, killed by a rothe 00:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] Darothok (Mon Hum Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:34415 00:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] SkydiveMike (Tou Hum Mal Neu) genocided class ;, on T:138627 01:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] AgentOfAntinous (Arc Hum Fem Neu), 537 points, T:1647, killed by a gnome lord 01:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] SkydiveMike (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered the Astral Plane, on T:138750 01:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law), 491 points, T:932, killed by a werejackal 01:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] SkydiveMike (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Pestilence, on T:138764 01:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1717 01:11 Tangles: lol thats like the other day when i was tryna help fix fld 01:11 i founda github issue thread of the exact same thing 01:11 and theres a comment sayin 'o this option fixes it' 01:11 so im lke woooo 01:11 report back 01:12 then look at thread again 01:12 the same person commented right affter 'nvm problem still happens' 01:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1372 points, T:1887, killed by a large mimic, while fainted from lack of food 01:15 [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Mad Vam Fem Cha) killed the Stranger, on T:35662 01:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] SkydiveMike (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 4379876 points, T:138795, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/S/SkydiveMike/nethack/dumplog/1641246051.nh.html 01:23 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] smzp (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 362 points, T:850, killed by a djinni 01:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] smzp (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 41 points, T:174, killed by a water moccasin 01:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] smzp (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 316 points, T:1076, killed by a fox, while reading a book 01:47 [hdf-au] [nh370] chip (Mon Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:5315 01:57 [hdf-us] [xnh] sanik (Val Hum Fem Law), 0 points, T:179, killed by a jackal 02:00 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:01 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 02:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] Darothok (Mon Hum Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:35119 02:03 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 02:03 [hdf-au] [nh370] chip (Mon Hum Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:6076 02:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] Darothok (Mon Hum Fem Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:35738 02:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] smzp (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 151 points, T:444, killed by a potion of acid 02:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] Darothok (Mon Hum Fem Cha) killed Orcus, on T:36284 02:25 [hdf-eu] [nh370] ansic (Tou Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Peregrinatrix, on T:22459 02:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Darothok (Mon Hum Fem Cha) wished for "Blessed spellbook of magic mapping", on T:36596 02:33 [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Mad Vam Fem Cha) killed Father Dagon, on T:36848 02:33 [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Mad Vam Fem Cha) killed Mother Hydra, on T:36852 02:40 [hdf-eu] [nh370] ansic (Tou Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming an energy vortex, on T:22779 02:41 [hdf-us] [nh4] Prachi (zetroma) (Val Dwa Fem Law), 81309 points, T:41321, died of starvation, while fainted from lack of food 02:46 [hdf-eu] [nh370] ansic (Tou Hum Fem Neu) read a Discworld novel, on T:23514 02:55 -!- pescepalla has joined #hardfought 03:02 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:08 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 03:27 [hdf-us] [nh4] Prachi (zetroma) (Val Dwa Fem Law), 49420 points, T:4862, poisoned by an orcish arrow 03:33 [hdf-us] [nh4] Prachi (zetroma) (Val Dwa Fem Law), 14624 points, T:1251, killed by a wand 03:39 -!- Merlek has joined #hardfought 03:39 [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Mad Vam Fem Cha) wished for "cursed fixed +3 orange dragon scale mail", on T:37843 03:42 -!- jannis has joined #hardfought 03:45 -!- Xjs has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:47 [hdf-us] [nh4] Prachi (zetroma) (Val Dwa Fem Law), 27118 points, T:2180, killed by a mumak 03:52 [hdf-us] [dnh] Abdlabl (Bin Inc Fem Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1357 03:54 Hello Moult, the elven Wizard, welcome back to NetHack! 03:54 so, xl6, hp32, visited minetown, got magicbane, AC-1. D5 on the main branch, not yet hit sokoban. tips on the next thing to do? 03:56 I'd go find Sokoban 03:56 But not try to clear the entire branch yet without stealth. 03:57 Andrio: yeah, 32hp to go through soko sounds a little risky 03:58 what dagger skill do you have? 03:58 do you have a stack of daggers? 04:00 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:01 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 04:01 cbus: dagger still basic. got 5 daggers. 04:02 you should train dagger to expert imo 04:02 (probably should have it almost at expert already) 04:03 thats usually my top priority 04:03 and get a stack of like 10 daggers 04:03 (I did soko zoo at AC:0 last time) 04:03 pulling monsters out and dagger tossing 04:03 also abusing sleep 04:04 cbus: should i just keep diving to sokoban and hope i get dagger to expert along the way, or should i purposely hang back and slow down until i get dagger to expert? 04:04 I dont think even finishing soko will give you expert in dagger 04:04 but with magicbane maybe it is fine 04:04 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Wizard#Early_game is a good strategy guide 04:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] SrinivasSamJespe (Tou Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Traveler, on T:28043 04:06 cbus: thanks :) reading through it now! some new points 04:07 oh yeah, there might be spellbooks in the statues on oracle level 04:16 I pretty much always get expert in daggers on any role that can 04:19 ooh a frost horn, is it good? 04:19 also, i'm already burdened. what can i possibly drop? https://dpaste.org/RVfz 04:20 tooled horn/frost horn, (I would drop the shield), the gold, the unided rings (you should price id the unided) 04:20 I usually stash those as I go 04:20 in chests or under a boulder in sokoban 04:21 <@Shadow_Rider> Keep one of the horns 04:21 <@Shadow_Rider> Strongest item 04:21 i've never used horns before, don't know which is useful 04:22 i guess i can treat the frost horn as a wand? 04:22 I dont either 04:22 and he has magicbane (for elbereth) 04:22 frost horn is like a super strong wand of cold till it's out of charges when it acts like tooled horn 04:22 and tooled horn is epic for scaring things 04:23 remember I mentioned to take a bugle to the planes Moult? 04:23 <@Shadow_Rider> Elbereth is good but horn will hit everything in range 04:23 tooled horn works like that too, just apply it to scare stuff 04:23 <@Shadow_Rider> Like if you got a bunch of soldier ants staggered elbereth can take ages to work 04:24 <@Shadow_Rider> Guess it’s situational 04:25 amateurhour: ah good idea 04:25 i might keep the frost horn 04:26 cbus: thanks for the advice on the shield, i guess 1AC isn't worth it for the weight and minor spellcasting issue 04:28 I was mostly thinking of spellcasting issues 04:29 also you are lacking gloves 04:29 if you have a pet and havent killed the watchmen then that might give you some gloves 04:29 but dont murder them yourself :) 04:35 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 04:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] SrinivasSamJespe (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the Master of Thieves, on T:30092 04:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] SrinivasSamJespe (Tou Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:30093 04:43 [hdf-us] [dnh] Abdlabl (Bin Inc Fem Non) wished for "Blessed Greased Fixed +3 Premium Heart", on T:7975 04:51 -!- phinxy has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.5-dev] 04:52 -!- phinxy has joined #hardfought 04:52 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Con Dwa Fem Cha) polymorphed her first item, on T:30035 04:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] SrinivasSamJespe (Tou Hum Fem Neu) stole 1459 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Sipaliwini's general store, on T:31176 04:59 cbus: no pet, no gloves yet so far. only on T3000 right now so still early 05:02 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Con Dwa Fem Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:30073 05:06 [hdf-us] [dnh] Abdlabl (Bin Inc Fem Non) completed Sokoban, on T:12256 05:23 -!- pescepalla has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:23 -!- pescepalla has joined #hardfought 05:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] smzp (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 618 points, T:3201, killed by a wand 05:25 [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Mad Vam Fem Cha) killed the invisible Avatar of Lolth, on T:40912 05:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] KarlMalone (Kni Hum Mal Law), 642 points, T:981, killed by a bolt of fire 05:31 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law), 402031 points, T:43535, killed by a luminous cloud 05:33 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 05:35 [hdf-au] [nh370] chip (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 16888 points, T:11891, killed by a tiger 05:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] KarlMalone (Cav Hum Mal Law), 1826 points, T:2851, killed by tumbling down a flight of stairs 05:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:3218 05:59 -!- pescepalla has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:01 -!- pescepalla has joined #hardfought 06:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4011 06:03 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Con Dwa Fem Cha) had a polished shield entrusted to her by Tymora, on T:31410 06:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 4424 points, T:4229, killed by a wererat, while praying 06:08 -!- Semilg has joined #hardfought 06:13 [hdf-us] [dnh] Abdlabl (Bin Inc Fem Non), 251647 points, T:20609, killed by an owlbear zombie 06:23 [hdf-us] [dnh] Abdlabl (Ran Gno Fem Neu), 4206 points, T:1516, killed by an ape, while fainted from lack of food 06:29 -!- pescepalla has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:31 -!- pescepalla has joined #hardfought 06:42 [hdf-us] [un] eggra (Bar Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:6047, rt[2:54:02] 07:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Ran Elf Fem Cha) became literate by naming Sting, on T:84 07:02 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gelrath (Rog Orc Fem Cha) attained the rank of Rogue, on T:3190 07:05 -!- Terexen has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:09 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gelrath (Rog Orc Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3962 07:10 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gelrath (Rog Orc Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:4014 07:10 -!- krm26 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:10 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Con Dwa Fem Cha) had a dagger entrusted to her by Tymora, on T:31553 07:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 431 points, T:738, killed by a dwarf 07:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 504 points, T:1694, killed by a small mimic 07:25 <@malor> !ping 07:25 @malor: Pong! 07:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Arc Dwa Mal Law) entered Gehennom, on T:38133 07:37 i found two new ways of doing rapid terminal reading in the browser 07:37 stenno: Message from rebatela at 2022-01-09 10:05 EST: DUDE! Your ttyrec streamer is AWESOME!!!! Thank you so much ! 07:37 like yesterday night - 07:37 lol thanks 07:38 yesterday night at 3 am i woke up and had an epiphany 07:38 gotta investigate that tonight 07:38 the dream continues to be dreamt literally i guess 07:39 stenno gettin the fanmail 07:39 pog 07:39 the dream still continues 07:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 1018 points, T:1885, killed by a giant ant 07:42 -!- b93 has joined #hardfought 07:42 if ttyrecs would give me the actual displayed frames instead of just the updated portions of the frame it would be much easier 07:43 where is my nethackscoreboard fanmail 07:44 actually i still need to set up the mxrecords lol 07:44 so that i can have @nethackscoreboard.org email addresses 07:45 <@Comedelian> AGHHH 07:45 <@azide🇭🇰> you are a twit 07:45 i gave you a thumbs up in your closed issue 07:45 stenno: yay 07:45 ty 07:45 i give you a thumbs up here 👍 07:45 stella: a little tip, when a commit or merge request fixes an issue, you can mention the issue in the messages like: 'fixes #13' and then it will be closed automatically 07:45 orite 07:45 and it writes a nice message into the issue 07:45 nice 07:46 i figured there must be somethin like that 07:49 [hdf-eu] [nh370] nurdglaw (Sam Hum Mal Law), 15190 points, T:10969, killed by a mumak 07:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Arc Dwa Mal Law) attained the rank of Spelunker, on T:38746 07:49 i figured out two ways of getting data out of xterm but both are hacky 07:50 but i don't care if it works 07:50 -!- fakepass has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Ran Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:204 07:50 i don't care about it being hacky if it works* 07:51 <@halp> You just ping'd everyone with the nethack role in the discord server lol 07:51 wait so it does work? 07:51 <@halp> it does 07:51 i thought i tried it out and it didn't work 07:51 maybe i don't have the role nethack? 07:52 proof that discord is bad? :P 07:52 <@stenno> how do i get such a role 07:52 well it was a known issue 07:52 <@halp> Well your message go through the bridge 07:52 <@stenno> i don't see myself hilighted here 07:52 thought that was fixed? you shouldnt be able to ping anyone on discord from irc 07:52 stella: the secret is blown up 07:52 emergency fix now pls 07:52 <@halp> @stenno You go in #bot-commands and type !roles 07:53 reinstate the .bak file 07:53 ho-crap 07:53 idk if that will work now after all the changes and updates 07:53 i thought they figured a way to do it from config :< 07:53 @halp no output 07:54 anyway i don't even want that role 07:54 discord continues to be strange :D 07:55 ah, I was wondering what would have pinged. it was (at)nethack_scoreboard did ping 07:56 bhaak: im surprised it still works iof there's not a wordbream 07:56 wordbreak* 07:56 I didn't know that was fixed. I thought @everyone was fixed 07:56 * bhaak looks into the discord if it was fixed for real 07:56 <@halp> that one is 07:57 <@bhaak> yes 07:57 ohhhh 07:57 ok 07:57 <@halp> risky try lol 07:57 phew 07:57 oh I assumed all pings were fixed, is it just special case'd then? 07:57 <@bhaak> @halp well, if the devs screwed up, it's the devs that screwed up. I would just have proved it 🙂 07:57 can I ping @bhaak 07:57 yes 07:57 user pings work 07:57 nice 07:57 can I also ping @bhaak 07:58 no 07:58 can I ping myself @Joanna 07:58 <@halp> https://tenor.com/view/thanos-infinity-war-gamora-what-did-it-cost-gif-14001403 07:58 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gelrath (Rog Orc Fem Cha) destroyed nurdglaw's ghost, the former Ronin, on T:6997 07:58 only usernames beginning with 'a' are allowed to ping the awesome bhaak 07:58 I'm pinging myself _right now_ 07:58 can I ping myself @stella 07:58 ok neither of those work 07:58 im apparently immune 07:58 @stenno 07:58 i get pinged 07:58 are you even on discord right now 07:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Pri Hum Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1689 07:58 <@bhaak> don't think so 07:58 @Joana 07:59 <@Joanna> How come 07:59 <@stenno> @Joanna 07:59 @Joanna 07:59 <@Joanna> THOSE ping me 07:59 <@Joanna> Ohhhhh 07:59 i think cos i had text before it didnt work 07:59 foo @Joanna 08:00 <@bhaak> well, you are Joanna. what did you expect? that the bot knows all your nicks? the devs didn't want to give that much space to the bot 08:00 my call from me to you is so strong that it overcomes ping blocks 08:00 no wait that one worked 08:00 im confuse 08:00 ah the bot had to see me talkin on discord side first maybe? 08:00 and discord always had that peculiar "ping the user that starts with this without a work break" oddity 08:00 can't you even have whitespaces in your discord user name? 08:01 so, I am @bhaakthedestroyerofcode should ping me as well 08:01 Andrio: is the Celebot yours? 08:01 cerebot* 08:01 <@bhaak> it does. and I don't know what it does if you have two user where one nick is a starting subset of the other 08:01 right.. 08:02 No, though that's better than my actual bot's name. 08:02 someone should register stennot 08:02 <@bhaak> there are two milks in here but that's not the same 🙂 08:03 people got confused when i was 'stennowork' 08:03 sten no work 08:03 is true, setn no work 08:03 can be my life motto though 08:03 sten* 08:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Pri Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed greased fixed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:2049 08:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Pri Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 gauntlets of power", on T:2072 08:08 [hdf-us] [xnh] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 247 points, T:196, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 08:09 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gelrath (Rog Orc Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:8403 08:10 [hdf-us] [nh4] adfl (post163) (Kni Hum Mal Law), 1228 points, T:64, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 08:17 [hdf-us] [slshm] post163 (Wiz Hob Mal Neu), 833 points, T:1644, killed by a hobgoblin 08:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Ran Elf Fem Cha) destroyed PetraKelly's ghost, the former Lookout, on T:2586 08:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Arc Dwa Mal Law) bribed Asmodeus with 43 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:40727 08:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Arc Dwa Mal Law) attained the rank of Speleologist, on T:40747 08:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed Juiblex, on T:41337 08:28 [hdf-us] [fh] lady (post163) (Kni Hum Fem Law), 9364 points, T:212, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 08:28 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (hobbits), on T:1 08:28 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Hob Mal Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a scroll of genocide 08:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:2, killed by a riding accident 08:30 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Kni Inf Mal Cha), 63 points, T:69, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 08:30 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (humans), on T:1 08:33 -!- nurdglaw has joined #hardfought 08:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Ran Elf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Trailblazer, on T:3429 08:33 -!- nurdglaw has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 08:33 -!- nurdglaw has joined #hardfought 08:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Ran Elf Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:3812 08:38 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 08:38 -!- post163 has joined #hardfought 08:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Pri Hum Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:5569 08:39 -!- post163 has quit [Client Quit] 08:40 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gelrath (Rog Orc Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:11607 08:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 2580 points, T:4009, killed by a crocodile 08:48 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Con Dwa Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (leprechauns), on T:31968 08:49 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gelrath (Rog Orc Fem Cha) attained the rank of Pilferer, on T:12364 08:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Ran Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:330 08:52 [hdf-au] [fh] Ranwan (OmNyomNyom) (Ran Elf Fem Cha) genocided class 'Z', on T:15251 08:52 hi 08:52 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 08:52 so... it was -11° F this morning 08:53 what is that in normal notation? 08:53 -24° C for you heathens that havent embraced F 08:53 Sounds like an average January in NY. 08:53 ah thx 08:53 thast cold 08:54 it doesn't get that cold here anymore 08:54 its 25. brrrr 08:54 [hdf-us] [un] eggra (Bar Hum Mal Neu) entered the Big Room, on T:6812, rt[3:36:27] 08:55 paying my respects to the americans that have to use fahrenheit 08:55 F 08:55 havent seen it that cold in a couple years 08:56 when we first moved here over 10 years ago, was not uncommon to see -20, -25 F at night 08:56 havent seen it that cold in a long while 08:56 Currently 18 up there speaking of. 08:56 (-8C) 08:56 lets see 08:56 the latitude of my city is 52 degree north 08:56 damn 08:57 Meanwhile around my area it's a nice and crispy 0 C. 08:57 just shy of 45th parallel here 08:57 latitude of nyc is 40 degree nord 08:57 topography, how close you are to ocean, jet stream, all play a factor 08:57 can be further north but have milder temps 08:58 Makes sense. 08:58 [hdf-eu] [nh370] nurdglaw (Sam Hum Mal Law) read a Discworld novel, on T:1359 08:58 altitude 08:58 8 degrees C here, 54 degrees north ish 08:58 it has access to the north sea via rivers 08:58 i'd call it 'the south of northern europe' 09:00 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a scroll of genocide 09:00 european climate makes no sense to me 09:00 cause of the jet stream or whatever 09:01 23 °C here 09:01 the jolt cola stream 09:01 i had a dream last night i was buying a caffeinated milk pouch 09:02 UK weather is pretty whack because there's like 5 air masses constantly fighting it out or something 09:02 winner gets to decide what the weather is like that moment 09:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Pri Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:9205 09:13 [hdf-us] [dnh] carlarc (Mad Orc Fem Cha), 9609 points, T:8854, killed by an air elemental 09:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Kni Hum Mal Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:9171 09:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Pri Hum Mal Cha) attained the rank of Priest, on T:10432 09:17 [hdf-us] [dnh] carlarc (Mad Orc Fem Cha), 267 points, T:400, killed by a newt, while dragging an iron ball 09:18 [hdf-us] [dnh] carlarc (Mad Orc Fem Cha), 4 points, T:41, killed by a water moccasin 09:22 -!- krm26 has joined #hardfought 09:22 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:24 -!- b93 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:25 [hdf-us] [dnh] carlarc (Mad Orc Fem Cha) averted death, on T:1784 09:25 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 09:26 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 09:27 -!- nurdglaw has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:34 [hdf-us] [slth] dnx (Fla Dro Fem Cha), 5107 points, T:2127, killed by an orcish arrow 09:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Arc Dwa Mal Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:44712 09:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Arc Dwa Mal Law) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:44770 09:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] RyanHill (Ran Elf Mal Cha) stole 5295 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Droichead Atha's second-hand bookstore, on T:2846 09:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Ran Elf Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:3257 09:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] RyanHill (Ran Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Trailblazer, on T:3009 09:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] RyanHill (Ran Elf Mal Cha) read a Discworld novel, on T:3019 09:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Arc Dwa Mal Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Quetzalcoatl, on T:45066 09:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] RyanHill (Ran Elf Mal Cha) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a gecko corpse, on T:3109 09:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Pri Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:14851 09:46 its colder than cornwall but warmer than scandinavia 09:47 cornwall is the weird climate thing Demo alluded to 09:48 Cornwall's not that weird, it's just furthest southwest 09:48 i thought it was unnaturally (for england standards) warm there 09:49 looks like this archeologist's dexterity is permanently capped at 9 09:49 Well, it's warmer there, but not in a way that is surprising given it's furthest southwest 09:49 ok 09:49 -!- qt has joined #hardfought 09:49 Cornwall has the mildest and one of the sunniest climates of the United Kingdom, as a result of its oceanic setting and the influence of the Gulf Stream. 09:49 Inverness is unusually cold and wet for the UK but again not surprising since it's optimally positioned to catch reindeer trumps from Siberia via the North Sea 09:50 uk geography is not very common knowledge 09:51 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gelrath (Rog Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:14816 09:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Pri Hum Mal Cha) had Sting bestowed upon him by Kos, on T:15127 09:56 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 09:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Arc Dwa Mal Law) had Frost Brand bestowed upon him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:45571 09:56 -!- nurdglaw has joined #hardfought 09:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Ran Elf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Trailblazer, on T:3668 10:05 not common in the UK either :P 10:05 <@7;> Doesn't help most people's experience of the UK over the years involves the UK coming to them. Not them going to the UK 10:08 lads on tour let's gooooooooo 10:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Pri Hum Mal Cha) had Trollsbane bestowed upon him by Kos, on T:15737 10:09 sorry Europe 10:10 nowadays we have US imperialism instead of UK imperialism 10:11 Yeah, but US imperialism is only 16 fluid ounces to the pint 10:11 -!- Sgeo has joined #hardfought 10:13 lol 10:18 -!- fakepass has joined #hardfought 10:23 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gelrath (Rog Orc Fem Cha) entered the Bigroom, on T:17827 10:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] RyanHill (Ran Elf Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a werewolf, on T:3939 10:38 <@G1-LET (Simulacrum enjoyer)> :ping: 10:40 <@canine> :good_ping: 10:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Ran Elf Fem Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:5064 10:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] RyanHill (Ran Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:4369 10:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] RyanHill (Ran Elf Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:4616 10:46 -!- winny has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:47 -!- winny has joined #hardfought 10:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Ran Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:5983 10:57 [hdf-au] [fh] Ranwan (OmNyomNyom) (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 51608 points, T:23680, killed by a troll 10:57 k2: is it the consensus that the new fourk is virtually unplayable right now? 10:58 not unplayable. just severly limited with what roles you can play 10:58 isn't that by design? 10:58 and there's nothing in the menu selection stating as to why 10:58 yeah i know about that but ithought there were other issues 10:58 weren't there several other issues too? 10:59 maybe? that was the biggest one 10:59 like games not loading and saves not saving kind of thing 10:59 saves not saving 10:59 rip 10:59 some people were trying to load older version games 10:59 well that's sort of a no-go 10:59 cant do that 11:00 saves not saving as in - you unlock a role, try to play it, says 'error loading save' or some such and kicks you back to terminal 11:00 i'll just wait for jonadab then 11:00 jonadab you around? 11:01 he hasn't replied to anything last few days 11:01 iow, there's life outside nethack? who knew? 11:02 sure 11:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Ran Elf Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:6096 11:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 9576 points, T:9035, killed by a dwarf lady 11:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Ran Elf Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 2 scrolls labeled FNORD on an altar, on T:6101 11:03 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gelrath (Rog Orc Fem Cha) made her first artifact wish - "blessed fixed +2 Grayswandir", on T:20900 11:04 welp. if we dont hear from jonadab soon, i'm taking 4.3.0.5 down 11:05 :I 11:07 btw all variant developers: please add the fiqhack changes for the heart of ahriman. thank you for your cooperation. 11:08 went from the worst quest artifact to possibly the best 11:08 or replace it 11:09 sacrilege! who would do such a thing? 11:09 what's fh do to it? 11:09 * K2 raises his hand 11:10 so is the consensus that quest artifacts have to be good? 11:10 dnh makes it a ruby with 2x dmg, +d10 tohit, and slotless reflection, mr, drain res, fire res, poison res, and half spell dmg as well as invoke for remove curse 11:10 wtf? 11:10 Yeah, dnh Heart is cracked. 11:10 demo: it's still a luckstone, adds slotless flying, can be invoked for persistent monster detection, and best of all immunity to curses 11:10 that's gopod 11:10 slotless flying sounds great 11:10 did i mention IMMUNITY TO CURSES? 11:10 That's less cracked but still good. 11:10 is it #invokable ? 11:11 or is just always flying 11:11 ring of p'hul 11:11 yeah for monster detection 11:11 "can be invoked for persistent monster detection" 11:11 always flying 11:11 Guessing Skilled spell/blessed potion style. 11:11 once invoked you don't need warning or esp 11:11 sounds pretty good 11:12 Honestly tempted to say that's a little too OP by the standard, but then again the Heart deserves it. 11:12 sssshhhh 11:12 (dnh just makes half of the tonne of artifacts it has cracked, so.) 11:12 it's probably the only reason to play a fh barb 11:13 dnh bans wishing for quest artifacts so ahriman being so strong is fine 11:13 at least it's the only reason i did 11:13 cause barbs are already strong as hell 11:13 What, do they suck in FIQ or...? 11:13 and kind of meant to be an easier role 11:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] UniDuck (Pri Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:24440 11:13 no wand skill 11:13 Oh yeah. 11:13 Filing that under "distressingly logical". 11:13 that's worse than i thought it would be 11:13 How so? 11:13 i like wand skills 11:13 I believe you, I'm just having trouble picturing it. 11:14 nh4 stuff iirc 11:14 umbire: actually it isn't, since fh barbs can still be reasonably good spellcasters 11:14 wand destruction patch isnt in nh4 i dont think 11:14 I recall most of how it works, but I'm more trying to picture how exactly using wands what the skill's restricted goes wrong. 11:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] UniDuck (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:24612 11:14 engrave testing often explodes the wand 11:14 Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, that was it. 11:14 3 ass cheeks outta 5. 11:15 even a blessed teleport wand won't work on no-teleport levels 11:15 at all 11:15 I see 11:15 Also, for record's sake. 11:15 Is it like, MBane curse-catching? 11:15 -!- pescepalla has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:16 Or just no frills, legit "never get cursed again" immunity? 11:16 it's complete curse immunity 11:16 Well damn. 11:16 i ddidn't bother blessing anything 11:16 I know Barbs in vanilla get attack and escape spells, but what was the cap on the former...? 11:16 like normally i would bless my towel, stehoscope, etc 11:16 Yeah, it tracks. 11:17 barbs in fh can get skilled in attack, restricted in everything else 11:17 cursed resistance is now honestly semi standard for dnh kits 11:17 <@ChrisANG> Hm, given the source material, maybe dnh Heart should give curse res instead of reflection <_< 11:17 -!- pescepalla has joined #hardfought 11:17 <@ChrisANG> And, as demo notes, it's more necessary in dnh due to mummy curses. 11:18 and more available now 11:18 due to more life saving slot options 11:18 which opens up amulet and versus curses is good for it 11:18 There's also the prayer-warded things those priests mummies drop. 11:18 ...I haven't actually seen a lot of amulets in my game, thinking on it. 11:18 Bothersome. 11:18 also cure resistance is an oprop on some vault loot 11:18 curse 11:19 cure resistance, hmmm 11:19 Works if you're playing undead or like, an Acolyte of Pestilence. 11:19 :^) 11:23 [hdf-eu] [nh370] pescepalla (Bar Hum Fem Cha) killed Asmodeus, on T:61667 11:23 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gelrath (Rog Orc Fem Cha) attained the rank of Robber, on T:23663 11:24 <@carlarc> idea 11:24 <@carlarc> dnethack trinsic score 11:24 <@carlarc> the more trinsics you ascend with the higher your t-score is 11:24 -!- b93 has joined #hardfought 11:25 <@carlarc> a better name might be 'enlightenment lines' 11:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Arc Dwa Mal Law) bribed Baalzebub with 366 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:47163 11:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] Leggman (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:21750 11:41 -!- nurdglaw has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] Celefoombor (Pri Elf Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:3365 11:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] RyanHill (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 10346 points, T:7359, killed by a hill orc 11:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Arc Dwa Mal Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:48962 11:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] MoonPig (Kni Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (class c), on T:31555 11:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Arc Dwa Mal Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:48977 11:53 <@Fëanor> That's my first time in 3.7, the flipped Sokoban was far more bizarre than I'd expected 11:54 flipped sokobad 11:54 flipped sokodad 11:56 ok, 3.7 has some kind of bug I think 11:56 every time I get wounded legs my dexterity never recovers 11:57 plz report. it was mentioned yesterday too, i think 11:57 ok 11:57 <@Celefoombor> That actually makes sense, I was noticing something odd there 11:57 bug? 11:57 [hdf-eu] [nh370] pescepalla (Bar Hum Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:63415 11:57 ?bug 11:57 dammit 11:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] Leggman (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Warrior, on T:22813 11:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Ran Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:8246 11:59 [hdf-us] [nh343] wispofvapor (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:8325 12:00 It was indeed. 12:00 dexter 12:00 Feh, missed the search bar. 12:00 Post was talking about it on the Discord end. 12:02 Oh whoops, found Ludios. 12:02 Wouldn't you know it, literally DL10, same as that garden with that fuckass angel. 12:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 66 points, T:321, killed by a goblin 12:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 210 points, T:493, killed by a gas spore's explosion 12:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Kni Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Sergeant, on T:11361 12:12 -!- pescepalla has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:13 -!- pescepalla has joined #hardfought 12:14 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Ran Elf Fem Cha) averted death (killed by an invisible stalker), on T:8766 12:17 [hdf-eu] [nh370] pescepalla (Bar Hum Fem Cha) wished for "amulet of flying", on T:63470 12:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Kni Hum Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:12228 12:17 -!- pescepalla has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:19 -!- pescepalla has joined #hardfought 12:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1507 12:20 -!- bugsniper has joined #hardfought 12:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1609 points, T:1563, killed by a dwarf 12:21 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Val Cen Mal Neu) made his first artifact wish - "blessed fixed +3 Dragonbane", on T:37436 12:22 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Val Cen Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +3 oilskin fedora", on T:37439 12:23 <@7;> aight, 215 HP, some 4,5 potions of full healing, 4 lizard corpses and -34 AC. Is it time? 12:25 <@carlarc> i would nurse dance if you have any magic markers 12:25 <@carlarc> also get some amulets of life saving 12:25 -!- winny has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:28 Whee, learned identify. 12:28 Oh, you faced Rodney yet, Seven? 12:31 -!- winny has joined #hardfought 12:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 14214 points, T:10009, killed by an invisible stalker 12:38 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 1340 points, T:3649, killed by a fog cloud 12:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Kni Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:14690 12:44 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Pri Ith Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4128 12:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 65 points, T:232, killed by a jackal 12:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] augmentedfourth (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1315 points, T:2954, killed by a wererat 12:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] Leggman (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:24319 12:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] Leggman (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:24333 12:51 K2: I'm here, and I _think_ I've read everything that mentions Fourk since it went up, but I'm not sure what specifically is the complaint. 12:51 jonadab: Message from K2 at 2022-01-07 23:21 EST: noticing a bug with race selection new fourk 12:51 jonadab: Message from K2 at 2022-01-07 23:25 EST: not just race selection, I can't seem to play anything other than barbarian or wizard 12:51 Unless it's that people disagree with unlockability. 12:57 [hdf-us] [4k] Jonadab (jonadab) (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) unlocked the Ranger role by using stairs, on T:324 12:59 heya jonadab 12:59 Hello. 12:59 Hello jonadab, Welcome to #hardfought 13:00 so the biggest bug i've seen to date - you play, you unlock some roles, you then start a new game to play one of the unlocked roles, you cant 13:00 error save file 13:00 i need to reproduce real quick 13:01 huh well NOW I can 13:01 I think it's a one-off 13:01 as in, the first time you try, you get an error stating cant write to save file 13:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] UniDuck (Pri Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:27147 13:01 now that I tried again, I was able to start a ranger 13:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] UniDuck (Pri Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 silver dragon scale mail", on T:27148 13:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] UniDuck (Pri Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 cloak of magic resistance", on T:27149 13:02 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Val Cen Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:38149 13:02 also, and this isnt a bug so much as a gripe - as far as I can tell, no one is really keen on the role unlocking bit 13:02 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Pri Ith Fem Cha) destroyed NetSysFire's ghost, the former Jail-bird, on T:7587 13:02 at the very least, the race/role selection menu should state what's going on 13:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Ran Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:234 13:03 at first I thought it was a bug, then I remembered one of your commits mentioning the change 13:03 [hdf-us] [xnh] every (Ran Orc Fem Cha) attained the rank of Reconnoiteress, on T:16775 13:04 [hdf-us] [4k] Jonadab (jonadab) (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) unlocked the Rogue role by using long stairs, on T:1180 13:07 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Pri Ith Fem Cha) destroyed mightyquinn's ghost, the former Investigator, on T:8565 13:08 [hdf-us] [un] hothraxxa (Arc Hum Fem Law) became literate by engraving "test", on T:4274, rt[1:33:11] 13:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] UniDuck (Pri Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased bag of holding", on T:27350 13:11 K2: Oh, hmm, first time only? That's... interesting. Let me experiment a bit and see if I can reproduce that. 13:12 also if 4.3.0.6 comes out and presumably has the same whole-separate-install thing as happened here, won't that mean I can't play arcs even though I ascended in 4.3.0.5 13:12 jonadab ok 13:13 aosdict: That... would depend on how things are handled. The unlock files are meant to be compatible across versions. But of course they'd have to be preserved. 13:13 [hdf-us] [dnh] carlarc (Mad Orc Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:9629 13:14 K2: I just started a Ranger game first try on hardfought. 13:14 hmm 13:14 that's good 13:14 the intent is to provide players with a sense of pride and accomplishment for unlocking different heroes :^) 13:14 Maybe the repro conditions are more specific. 13:14 is spicy here? 13:15 amateurhour: The intent is to not overwhelm new players with excessively difficult options. 13:15 And in particular to guide them to the easier options when they first get started. 13:15 Most roles are not very hard to unlock. 13:15 I would sooner rank by perceived difficulty rather than outright locking. 13:15 yeah I know, we talked about it in the past, just wanted to throw out a little meme 13:15 Just in my opinion. 13:16 The stuff that's hard to unlock, is stuff like permanent confusion and whatnot. 13:16 Which I guarantee new players do not want. 13:16 and arc 13:17 [hdf-us] [un] hothraxxa (Arc Hum Fem Law) entered Minetown, on T:4358, rt[1:41:43] 13:17 Arc is one of the harder roles to unlock, true. 13:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1499 points, T:2472, killed by a manes 13:17 New players likely wouldn't even be aware of the option to want to try it out unless they're that intent on a gimmick to fiddle with. 13:17 the player selection menu needs to state these things 13:17 Umbire: Exactly. And I don't want new players who are going through the options to have to decide whether to enable it or not. 13:18 also a bit annoying if someone wanted to play say tourist, gotta unlock monk/rogue and then get to the quest with monk/rogue 13:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] augmentedfourth (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1508 points, T:2923, killed by a giant ant 13:18 otherwise new player who loves to play priest will be 'wtf why can I only select barbarian or wizard' 13:18 ...wouldn't they just skip it if they didn't know what it did...? 13:18 it also means you can work towards junethack goals not during june 13:18 unlock the things that will allow you to get trophies in the tournament 13:19 [hdf-us] [nh4] Prachi (zetroma) (Val Dwa Fem Law), 43468 points, T:3670, killed by a giant bat 13:19 is there a compile/config option that has everything unlocked from the start? 13:19 K2: The changes to the menu system took me *months* to get working. That part of the code is REALLY a pain to mess with. I don't fancy trying to shoehorn an explanation of the unlocking system into there. 13:19 other side of that knife is, people go into fourk during june, see they can only play barb or wizard, and decide to try a different variant 13:19 [hdf-us] [un] hothraxxa (Arc Hum Fem Law), 2829 points, T:4374, killed by a soldier ant 13:19 jonadab: then you're going to turn away a lot of players 13:19 aosdict: The question of how to handle unlocking for junethack is open. 13:19 they wont know the changes and why 13:19 I have several ideas for that. 13:20 400 fourk trophies :^) 13:20 you cant add some text to the menu selection? 13:20 If you're intent on guiding players to easier options, the least you could do is give a short explanation of such. 13:21 Junethack Unlocking Option 1: at the end of may, everyone's unlock files get moved aside, and then at the beginning of July they get merged back in. 13:21 Junethack Unlocking Option 2: at the beginning of June, everyone's everything gets fully unlocked. 13:21 -!- pescepalla has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:22 Junethack Unlocking Option 3: some time between now and June, I code it so that everything is effectively unlocked during June. 13:22 (Without changing the lock files.) 13:22 Option 4: let it ride 13:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] UniDuck (Pri Hum Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:28039 13:23 My instint is to prefer option 1 or 4, but it will ultimately be up to the server operator. 13:23 4k option 0: compile/config option to have everything always unlocked 13:23 how does 4k track who has unlocked what 13:24 -!- pescepalla has joined #hardfought 13:24 [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Pri Ith Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:10090 13:26 K2: See libnethack/src/achieve.c, but the short answer is "it saves a file". 13:27 what file and where 13:27 i dont have time to dig in code atm 13:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 107 points, T:549, killed by a goblin, while sleeping 13:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Kni Hum Mal Law) had Demonbane bestowed upon him by Lugh, on T:15122 13:30 code scurrier 13:31 i see it 13:31 made some time 13:31 [hdf-us] [xnh] every (Ran Orc Fem Cha) entered the Big Room, on T:18094 13:34 it creates a file called 'achievements_.dat' in /save 13:34 file perms are good on all of them 13:34 as well as owner 13:35 hmm i wonder why myself and spicy got that file write error earlier 13:35 i wonder if it was tied to the chroot not being on the right timezone as the rest of the server 13:35 not that my opinion counts, but i would be against any junethack changes that nullify any unlocking done before the tournament 13:36 sounds like a bhaak problem 13:36 -!- fakepass has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:39 jonadab: the race/role unlocking, I get it, and (imo) has a certain appeal. but if you don't make that feature readily apparent at the player creation menu, you're going to frustrate and lose players 13:45 [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Lolth, on T:110031 13:46 K2: Sorry, was afk for a bit. Back now, at least for the moment. 13:47 no worries. i'm back n forth too 13:47 K2: If I *could* figure out the technical side, what wording would I even insert, that would fit in the menu and explain enough? 13:48 lets see 13:48 - Locked 13:48 next to locked ones 13:48 Demo: The locked ones are not listed. That's how it stops you from choosing them. 13:49 And kinda the whole point is to declutter the menus. 13:49 That... didn't seem like a problem what needed solving. 13:49 This feature was a pre-requisite for adding a bunch of silly challenge options. 13:50 I cant remember - we can see the livelog for a role being unlocked, does the player get the same message in game? 13:50 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 13:50 K2: Currently no, but it goes in the history. 13:50 they should 13:50 That... is likely not too hard to do, I think. 13:50 should be a one liner pline 13:54 jonadab: why is archeologist far more difficult to unlock? 13:54 K2: I think making it report them in-game when they happen is a one-line change (flip the first argument of historic_event from FALSE to TRUE in achievement_unlock()) 13:54 jonadab: I would recommend looking at this from a 'new to fourk' perspective. player who has played nethack before and wants to try fourk, they are going to wonder why they cant select anything other than barb or wiz. it cant be that hard to add a short disclaimer to the player selection menu can it? 13:54 neat 13:55 hothraxxa: Short version? It's a difficult role, that sounds attractive to new players but is going to frustrate them no end. 13:55 Although that's also true of wizard, and I made it easy, for some reason. 13:55 Eh, the relative difficulty of roles is always going to be subjective somewhat. 13:55 you don't even need a disclaimer as such. just add a menu item ?) how to unlock other roles 13:56 K2: Hmm. When I implemented this, I was still thinking in terms of things that might someday belong in upstream NH4 4.4. Which is really no longer relevant. Perhaps I need to update my thinking. 13:57 hothraxxa that's a good idea 13:57 Hmm. 13:57 that can open a window with a full explanation 13:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Kni Hum Mal Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon him by Lugh, on T:15396 13:57 since nh4 inherently uses curses mode like display, it would work nicely 13:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] augmentedfourth (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at them by some watery tart, on T:3595 13:58 You overestimate my comfort level with the curses UI code. 13:58 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Val Cen Mal Neu) killed Yeenoghu, on T:38304 13:58 ask FIQ for help 13:58 jonadab: i agree with k2 though. something should be done 13:59 I'm not dismissing the idea that something needs to be done. I'm just trying to reconcile it with what I can do. 13:59 This may not get solved in one day. 14:00 well i am completely unfmailiar with curses ui code, but if adding a menu item that opens a text display is hard, i am flabbergasted 14:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] augmentedfourth (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:4186 14:00 also nobody needs a one day solution 14:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Ran Elf Fem Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a cave spider corpse, on T:3323 14:01 right 14:01 I would say, have it resolved before junethack 14:01 I'll try to play around a bit with it and see what I can do. 14:01 I'd like to have a LOT of things resolved before junethack. 14:02 :) 14:02 As many bugs as we can find, ideally. 14:02 i think we all would like to have a lot of things resolved before jnh :( 14:02 agreed 14:02 I would like Demo resolved before junethack 14:02 This is why I did my release months ahead of June. 14:02 i would like to resolve demo before june 14:02 Err, "release" is the wrong word, but whatever. 14:02 JINX 14:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] UniDuck (Pri Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Curate, on T:30910 14:02 lead helmet 14:03 Demo: not really. if junethack cared about devs putting players at a disadvantage, we'd have to kick half of the variants :-) junethack just reads the xlogfiles and direct the wrath of the players towards the devs 14:03 jonadab: i think you already know that i like fourk so i will be playing it 14:03 i might find some bugs 14:04 yeah i figured that was your answer to the problem of "how does this affect jnh" 14:04 it's my favorite answer 14:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Ran Elf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Trailblazer, on T:3636 14:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] UniDuck (Pri Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:31231 14:06 [hdf-us] [nh4] Prachi (zetroma) (Val Dwa Fem Law), 43394 points, T:6192, quit 14:06 jonadab: when next new save breaking version comes out, I can just copy over the player ach .dat files over to the new install 14:06 that way players wont have to redo all of their achievements 14:06 ^ if this is your intention 14:07 what if ach .dat compat format breaks? 14:08 schema migration utility included? :P 14:08 see this is why we need to resolve you 14:09 Demo: binary formats were solved a long time ago. I wonder when the nh4 variants will advance to the next stage after binary formats 14:09 trinary 14:09 jonadab: XML saves and bones when? 14:11 yeah serializable saves would make sense idk 14:12 nobody wants to touch save code cause it's too explosive 14:12 bhaak: same question but for vanilla and unnethack? :^) 14:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Kni Hum Mal Law), 40787 points, T:16324, killed by a chameleon imitating a jabberwock 14:13 we almost had that for vanilla. nhmall had something that was looking pretty good but then was a design disagreement and it was scraped for the time being 14:13 aw rip 14:14 it's a great idea 14:16 imagine mix and match bones from different variants 14:17 every variant could have orctown bones! 14:18 * hothraxxa sets bhaak on fire 14:18 how would you resolve monsters and items that aren't in that variant from the bones file? just drop them? 14:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] augmentedfourth (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2939 points, T:4817, killed by a horse 14:19 gonna leave a +100 excalibur in bones from slashem eheheh 14:19 -!- pescepalla has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.4] 14:19 how do u get +100 in slashem again? 14:19 amateurhour: yes, just drop em. 14:20 poly longsword into mattock, upgrade to pickaxe, poly into (e.g.) tinning kit 14:20 charge to +100 charges 14:20 wait for it to revert from the poly 14:20 ah 14:20 poly revert abuse 14:20 Demo: The way the achievements system works, the only thing that would really break forward compatibility (importing old-version achievements file into new version) would be if I re-used a field number. 14:21 For the forseeable future, I can just _not do that_. New achievements get new numbers. 14:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Pri Hum Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:27227 14:26 i just noticed a change that will probably make post163 unhappy: Knights...will not fall off and die when mounting their pony on turn 1 14:26 Too late, they already tried it in 3.7.0 if that's what you mean. 14:26 Said "killed by a riding accident" on turn 2 14:27 no this is a fourk change 14:27 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Val Cen Mal Neu) killed Orcus, on T:38734 14:27 sorry i should have added context 14:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 3927 points, T:4534, killed by a blue dragon 14:28 Damn, just alienating everyone. 14:28 /J 14:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Pri Hum Mal Cha) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:27781 14:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Ran Elf Fem Cha) became literate by naming Sting, on T:111 14:29 oh this is an old change. i've read down too far 14:29 lmfao 14:29 wtf that's actually a major nerf to the secret turn1 % speedrunning route 14:30 someone speedruns fourk? 14:30 I guess fastest route to the secret message now is wiz self-geno 14:30 most reliable route* 14:30 shame 14:30 [hdf-us] [nh4] Prachi (zetroma) (Val Dwa Fem Law), 32388 points, T:3256, killed by a soldier ant 14:31 secret message? 14:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] Celefoombor (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 1897 points, T:4687, killed by a rope golem 14:32 09:01 <+Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a scroll of genocide 14:32 can't remember what the message is, isn't there some modification to the death message at T:1? 14:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] UniDuck (Pri Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:32646 14:33 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 14:35 [hdf-us] [gh] TC5001 (Bar Gia Mal Cha), 360 points, T:436, zombified by a kobold zombie 14:35 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Do_not_pass_go._Do_not_collect_200_zorkmids. 14:36 hmm, how can you get it whilst also hallu 14:36 I guess with permahallu in variants which have that 14:37 seems to be 'This is your game. This is your game on drugs.' for unnethack 14:38 Do not pass Go. Do not collect 200 zorkmids. 14:38 for the post163 evil game 14:38 amateurhour, I had this poster on my dorm room wall in college - https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61ei1ua34YL._AC_SY741_.jpg 14:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Pri Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:27785 14:38 if this is a poster of rick astley i am gonna be upset 14:39 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Ran Gno Fem Cha) became literate by reading a book, on T:4321 14:39 I wouldnt hang up a poster of someone I used to date 14:39 * K2 gasps 14:39 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:39 OMG did I say that out loud 14:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] Celefoombor (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 201 points, T:825, killed by a wand 14:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Pri Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 helm of brilliance", on T:27788 14:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Pri Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 boots of speed", on T:27790 14:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:3932 14:42 [hdf-us] [nh4] Prachi (zetroma) (Val Dwa Fem Law), 28008 points, T:1637, quit 14:42 <@Celefoombor> I love finding hobbits with wands on delve 2 14:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Pri Hum Mal Cha) made his first artifact wish - "blessed greased fixed +2 mjollnir", on T:27807 14:46 [hdf-us] [4k] hothraxxa (Bar Hum Fem Cha) unlocked the Ranger role by using stairs, on T:200 14:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:4417 14:48 [hdf-us] [sp] TC5001 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 2885 points, T:1440, killed by a rothe 14:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Pri Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed master key of thievery", on T:28034 14:51 [hdf-us] [4k] hothraxxa (Bar Hum Fem Cha) unlocked the Rogue role by using long stairs, on T:571 14:55 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 2770 points, T:5585, killed by a dwarf 15:02 -!- qt has joined #hardfought 15:04 -!- SrinivasSamJespe has joined #hardfought 15:04 the curses UI is actually remarkably resistant to change in my experience 15:05 I mean it's *possible* of course, but.. 15:05 code-wise I mean 15:07 [hdf-us] [gnoll] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 0 points, T:37, killed by a kitten 15:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] Hekik (Ran Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Trailblazer, on T:3790 15:11 [hdf-us] [spl] Celefoombor (Dra Dro Mal Neu), 264 points, T:1687, killed by a wand 15:12 in what sense "resistant"? 15:13 i would guess it means that if you try to make a small change 15:13 like MR but for changes 15:13 you will break everything horribly 15:13 fixing this would be too daunting a task 15:13 too horrifying and painful to endure 15:13 so you will revert whatever you tried to do 15:13 [hdf-us] [xnh] whatever (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 93753 points, T:33676, quit 15:14 and the change doesnt happen 15:14 at least thats kinda how i felt when i tried to mess with that code 15:14 Hey all. I was playing a game of 3.7.0 on the main US hardfought.org server yesterday, and it looks like the nethack binary crashed ("Signal received." followed by a backtrace) suddenly. 15:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] RedArrow (Val Hum Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:32440 15:15 K2: ^ 15:15 And now, attempting to resume/play again results in "There is already a game in progress under your name. Destroy old game? [yn] (n)" 15:15 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/S/SrinivasSamJespe/nethack/ttyrec/2022-01-11.08:33:16.ttyrec.gz 15:15 Anyone know what's up or how to recover? 15:16 i will have a look 15:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a bolt of lightning 15:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:2214 15:17 SrinivasSamJespe, game is recovered 15:17 backtrace from ttyrec 15:17 https://0x0.st/oi5v.txt 15:18 Oh, also, weird trivia: the largest city on US soil east of New York City, is Boston. What is the largest one east of Boston? 15:18 K2: Awesome, thanks! 15:18 backtrace - https://termbin.com/h7zr 15:18 atlantis? 15:18 Out of curiousity, any idea why the normal auto-recovery didn't work? 15:19 there is no autorecover 15:19 bad boys bad boys, whatchu gonna do 15:19 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Val Cen Mal Neu) destroyed the invisible Vlad the Impaler, on T:39780 15:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] RedArrow (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of genocide", on T:32496 15:19 some variants have it baked in, but not vanilla 15:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] RedArrow (Val Hum Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:32496 15:19 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Val Cen Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:39782 15:19 not from a crash anyways 15:19 Gur ynetrfg bar rnfg bs Obfgba vf Fna Whna, Chregb Evpb. UGU.UNAQ. <-- rot13 15:19 your game files still existed like you were still playing 15:20 Ah, fair enough. So I guess it's up to dgamelaunch (or whatever) to notice stuff like dropped connections and send a clean-exit signal to the actual nethack binary. 15:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] RedArrow (Val Hum Fem Law) genocided class ;, on T:32504 15:20 yup. dropped connection is one thing, crash is something else 15:20 Yup yup. Awesome, thanks again. 15:20 no prob 15:20 <@riker> jonadab: NYC or baltimore? 15:21 jonadab that is kind of the kind of twist i was expecting 15:21 <@post163> K2: I recently hurt my leg kicking a wall in nh370. The game never told me the message "your leg feels better" and never gave me back the point of dexterity I lost from wounded legs. 15:21 <@riker> oh, east not west 15:21 <@riker> probably somewhere in maine then idk 15:22 Maine is what you would initially think of. But Maine is not very densely populated. 15:22 <@riker> oh, neat. makes sense 15:22 atlantis was close 15:22 The question is carefully worded. 15:22 <@riker> yeah, jnf guvaxvat pbagvahbhf HF fgngrf bayl 15:23 Right, the question is carefully worded to not imply that. 15:23 It doesn't for example ask for the largest city "In the United States", which could be interpreted as meaning it has to be in one of the 50 states. 15:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 205 points, T:703, killed by a gas spore's explosion 15:24 <@post163> !lastgame 15:24 @post163: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/p/post163/nethack/dumplog/1641932187.nh.html | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/O/OmNyomNyom/fiqhack/dumplog/2022-01-11%2015%3A57%3A47%2C%20Ranwan-Ran-Elf-Fem-Cha%2C%20died.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/N/NetSysFire/evilhack/dumplog/1641899053.evil.html 15:24 A lot of people not looking at a map would guess Miami, I think. But Miami is further west than Boston. 15:25 yeah i thought of miami but decided that it couldnt be the answer because then it wouldnt be a riddle and therefor had to be west 15:25 (Actually, pretty sure Miami is further west than NYC.) 15:27 Earlier today, my dad tried to tell me that Denver is west of Los Angeles (surprisingly, because of the way the coast curves). He was watching Family Feud at the time, so my guess is he didn't come up with this idea on his own. 15:28 <@riker> im gonna call cap on that one though 15:28 This is a man who knows a lot more geography than the average person, but he slipped a cog on that one. 15:28 <@riker> :p 15:28 Because yeah, no, no amount of curvature on California's coast can put any part of it east of Denver. 15:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] augmentedfourth (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed PetraKelly's ghost, the former Lookout, on T:2903 15:29 <@riker> if you wanted to claim maybe vegas, you'd still be wrong but it might be closer 15:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] augmentedfourth (Val Dwa Fem Law) has been given Excalibur, and now enjoys supreme executive power, on T:2918 15:29 <@riker> except for all hte people who have memories of driving east to get to vegas 15:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] UniDuck (Pri Hum Mal Neu) killed Nalzok, on T:35814 15:29 I think Reno would be the legit answer. 15:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] UniDuck (Pri Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:35815 15:30 Not certain about Spokane. 15:30 <@riker> yeah looking at maps now that seems like the only one that would fit 15:30 -!- Sgeo_ has joined #hardfought 15:30 <@riker> i checked spokane, it's farther east (barely) by 1 degree 15:30 Seattle and Portland, obviously. 15:30 And the Bay Area. 15:30 <@riker> LA is 34.0522° N, 118.2437° W, Spokane is 47.6588° N, 117.4260° W 15:31 And, you know, any city in Alaska. 15:31 Ok, so Spokane doesn't quite make it. I wasn't sure. 15:31 <@riker> yeah i was looking at it too, which is why i had the numbers pulled up :) 15:31 Reno is probably the one you can say that will catch some people off guard. 15:31 well shit 15:31 Because, you know, Nevada is east of California. 15:31 @post163 I think someone else reported it earlier today as well, needs someone to submit bug report to dev team I think 15:32 <@riker> ive always considered nevada north of california personally 15:32 not sure if oh6 did or not? 15:32 fourk: unleashed pup lands on a pair of gloves in a store. i put on the gloves. they feel deathly cold 15:32 <@riker> since for me at least i just have to go up :p 15:32 already reported and fix in, will show up in a few hours 15:32 [hdf-us] [dnh] phaperplane2 (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:177951 15:32 nice! 15:32 hothraxxa: Lands as a result of teleport, or steps on? 15:32 steps on 15:32 Hmm. 15:33 -!- Sgeo has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:33 And the pup didn't move reluctantly, and wasn't confused? 15:33 nope. wouldn't have tried them on otherwise 15:34 Ok, I will have to investigate that further. 15:34 i can save and you can look at the ttyrec. perhaps my eyes deceived me 15:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] augmentedfourth (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:3514 15:34 where's stenno's ttyrec player when you need it 15:35 [hdf-us] [dnh] phaperplane2 (Kni Hum Mal Law) performed the invocation, on T:178111 15:35 @post163 ok thanks. 15:35 [hdf-us] [nh4] dafl (post163) (Kni Hum Fem Law), 0 points, T:1, killed by kicking a wall 15:35 bwhahaha 15:35 paxed are you talking about what post163 reported? 15:35 * hothraxxa hugs post163 15:35 K2: and oh6, yes 15:36 cool 15:36 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Dra Hum Mal Neu), 16 points, T:37, slipped while mounting a saddled baby blue dragon 15:37 [hdf-us] [spl] Celefoombor (Kni Inf Nbn Law) destroyed nabru's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:1632 15:38 SrinivasSamJespe: it was a level with no stairs? 15:40 (or no downstairs, at least) 15:40 jonadab: my apologies, i missed the reluctantly message 15:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] SrinivasSamJespe (Tou Hum Fem Neu) stole 1443 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Sipaliwini's general store, on T:31457 15:40 which i was specifically looking for 15:40 i'm an idiot 15:41 It happens to the best of us. 15:41 LOL. I guess insanity is doing the same thing twice and expecting a different result? My game crashed again in the same place... 15:41 Probably some weird interactions on the level? 15:41 paxed: yeah, it was the bottom level of the Tourist quest. 15:42 Ah, backscrolled a bit. 15:42 I robbed a shop by teleporting out of one shop and into another. 15:42 Surely devine retribution for robbing a shop as non-chaotic... :P 15:43 SrinivasSamJespe: ah. thanks. 15:43 [hdf-us] [dnh] phaperplane2 (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed the elder priest of Moloch, on T:178219 15:43 shop hop 15:44 -!- attie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:44 You have tele control? 15:44 Yup. 15:45 Mmm, tengu... 15:46 SrinivasSamJespe, game recovered 15:46 Try teleporting not-inside a shop this time, if you do so at all. 15:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] Leggman (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:27982 15:46 I feel like shop-to-shop tele might be the crux of that crash. 15:46 gotta go, back in a bit 15:47 [hdf-us] [4k] hothraxxa (Bar Hum Fem Cha) unlocked the Priest role by identifying an item's beatitude on an altar, on T:1936 15:48 Umbire: no, the code tries to summon Kops to downstairs. but there's no downstairs on the level 15:48 Ahhhh. 15:49 So I'm guessing this is fixed by like, special-casing it to be the upstairs on this specific floor, or would it be something different? 15:49 [hdf-us] [nh343] wispofvapor (Sam Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed spellbook of identify", on T:8959 15:50 [hdf-us] [nh4] Big P (zetroma) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 46472 points, T:5728, killed by a water moccasin 15:50 apparently set doesn't think guantlets of fumbling are worth uncursing 15:51 now i'll have to find the oracle and dry up all the fountains 15:51 Might be a chance/Luck thing? 15:51 i don't remember but i don't think so 15:51 something something minor problem 15:54 paxed: Ah, guessing that's new in >3.4, summoning the Kops to downstairs (I'm guessing to make theft harder)? I'd have to check the logs, but I'm pretty sure I did the exact same thing in November's TNNT... (It's my standard Tourist quest routine.) 15:54 So, I guess robbing these two shops, by any means, is out until the bug is fixed. 15:55 And Tourist quest is maybe the only place in the game where you can have a shop with no floor below it... 15:56 Tiny bit surprised the shop had something you'd consider stealing at that point. 15:56 wait shops can overlap wtf 15:56 i didnt realizse that until now 15:57 Umbire: nothing I really need, no. I'm one of those players who picks up pretty much everything in the dungeon that's not nailed down. "In case I want to poly-pile it later." 15:57 Oh. Makes sense, I figure. 15:58 SrinivasSamJespe: no, kops have been summoned to downstairs before too. the stair data structure just changed ... 15:58 And if it's a dungeon level/branch that I know I never have to cross again, and I have teleport/control and not lawful, no reason to not just run off with it... 15:58 im in 2 shops at once, sort of i think? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/389212978030968832/930566343537852446/unknown.png 15:58 [hdf-us] [evil] Cronos (Tou Gno Fem Neu) destroyed mightyquinn's ghost, the former Investigator, on T:40808 15:58 not sure exactly how it is handled? 15:58 anyway, fix is in and will show up in a few hours. 15:58 I think you can phase from one shop into another, and slex had some issues with that and unpaid items 15:58 but can't remember what 15:59 -!- rebatela has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:59 paxed: Huh. not sure I've ever seen that... *shrug* 15:59 so worth trying having unpaid items too Demo 15:59 and seeing what happens 15:59 Anyway, thanks paxed and K2. Will pay for my items this time and watch for a fix. :) 15:59 Thanks. 16:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] augmentedfourth (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:4025 16:03 Oh, while I'm reporting stuff... I've also noticed that #twoweapon doesn't offer auto-completion/tab-completion from the # prompt. I.e., in previous versions, to toggle two-weapon, I would just do #tw or #tw or whatever. In the current 3.7.0-hf, I have to type out the complete "#twoweapon". Bit annoying when you're switching back and forth between digging and fighting... 16:03 [hdf-us] [evil] Cronos (Tou Gno Fem Neu) had Giantslayer bestowed upon her by The Lady, on T:41164 16:03 In fairness, you can shift + x also. 16:04 Still worth reporting, though. 16:04 ...or was it ctrl + X. 16:04 Hold on. 16:04 Umbire: Oh! I did not know this... Thanks! 16:04 Yup, shift-X. 16:04 Right, had it the first time and psyopped myself. 6_9 16:05 SrinivasSamJespe: also, you can use BIND and/or AUTOCOMPLETE in the config file to change key bindings and extended command autocompletion 16:05 [hdf-us] [xnh] whatever (Mon Hum Mal Neu) reached Minetown, on T:2279 16:06 It's those finger macros... I honestly don't even know if # commands tab complete or you can just hit enter on the first match. I'm thinking now the latter... 16:06 I know it in my fingers, not my brain. 16:07 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a system shock 16:08 can you enter a shop you are not in in vanilla? 16:08 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 16:09 [hdf-us] [dnh] phaperplane2 (Kni Hum Mal Law) wished for "2 dolls of preservation", on T:179330 16:09 -!- spicyCebolla has joined #hardfought 16:11 found a 343 crash bug 16:11 not sure if its fixed in vanilla, i would assume so 16:12 [hdf-us] [nh4] Karen (Axogen) (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 34536 points, T:5767, killed by a watch captain 16:12 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:12 entering the shops this way and diagonaling into the top shop and picking up an item crashes the game cause im in the bottom shop https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/389212978030968832/930569935317516328/unknown.png 16:13 or rather not in any shop i thinkl 16:14 if anyone has a local 37 install and wants to test its easy to replicate 16:14 i was wondering how the game handled you being in multiple shops on once on the edge of the two shops and the answer is, it doesn't :P 16:15 [hdf-us] [dnh] phaperplane2 (Kni Hum Mal Law) entered the Planes, on T:179504 16:16 paxed if you get unpaid item in one shop then phase into other shop 16:16 opening invent fires an impossible per stolen item 16:16 doesn't crash like in 343 and 343 variants though yay 16:16 nice 16:17 unpaid_cost: obj not on any bill or something like that 16:17 ok this key thing in fourk will be a pita 16:17 report it, i'm not touching any code until tomorrow evening 16:17 okay I'll do that 16:19 [hdf-us] [4k] hothraxxa (Bar Hum Fem Cha) unlocked the orcish race by entering a throne room, on T:3086 16:19 [hdf-us] [4k] hothraxxa (Bar Hum Fem Cha) unlocked the race option by entering a throne room, on T:3086 16:19 [hdf-us] [4k] hothraxxa (Bar Hum Fem Cha) unlocked the showrace option by entering a throne room, on T:3086 16:22 [hdf-us] [nh4] Ditz (Axogen) (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 39103 points, T:5310, killed by a wolf 16:23 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 16:23 [hdf-us] [dnh] phaperplane2 (Kni Hum Mal Law) destroyed Famine, on T:179632 16:26 [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Orcus, on T:114536 16:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:31203 16:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:31207 16:28 [hdf-us] [dnh] phaperplane2 (Kni Hum Mal Law) destroyed Pestilence, on T:179702 16:29 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Tou Hob Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:98307 16:29 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Tou Hob Fem Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:98309 16:30 [hdf-us] [dnh] phaperplane2 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 19691927 points, T:179706, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/p/phaperplane2/dnethack/dumplog/1641237495.dnh.txt 16:31 -!- krm26 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:31 <@malor> gg phaperplane! 16:31 <@riker> huh, they survived at least one hell vault 16:32 <@malor> phaperplane was spec'd out really well :). 1k HP, 20 DR. Really tough. 16:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] SrinivasSamJespe (Tou Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Journeyer, on T:32175 16:32 <@riker> oh wow didn't even see hp 16:32 Interesting, well-played. 16:32 <@riker> wonder how? ogresmasher + a ton of FH I guess but i thought diminishing returns from FH kinda killed that 16:32 <@malor> it's really hard to get HP that high in dnh currently. Not even sure how? 16:33 <@riker> ^ 16:33 <@malor> both riker and I aren't sure 🙂 16:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] Hekik (Ran Hum Mal Neu) had Vorpal Blade bestowed upon him by Venus, on T:6095 16:33 <@riker> lvl 30 max con human knight for me has 325 max hp wow 16:34 <@malor> so can you add 675 with full healing though? I don't think so. 16:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] Hekik (Ran Hum Mal Neu), 3725 points, T:6098, killed by a gnome lady 16:34 <@riker> and i start to taper off at 750 max hp ish, where i'm only getting 1 max hpper blessed FH 16:34 [hdf-us] [xnh] whatever (Mon Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:4159 16:34 <@malor> apply the thought that gives you 25% bonus HP also. 16:34 <@riker> oh true 16:34 <@riker> .... 16:35 <@riker> that clears temp hp from potions. interesting 16:35 <@riker> but it does NOT reset your counter! interesting note i suppose 16:35 <@malor> on top that phaperplane had 20DR which is doable, but is also hard to get 🙂 phaperplane was one of the better dnh tanks possible 🙂 16:38 <@riker> took me 169 blessed full healing potions, applied AFTER the rune, to get 1k max hp as a level 30 human knight w/ ogresmasher. huh 16:39 <@malor> 169 is probably doable in dnh sometimes. Not every time, but I have had over a hundred before. 16:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] SrinivasSamJespe (Tou Hum Fem Neu) stole 2196 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Matagami's general store, on T:32619 16:41 <@riker> yeah no tha'ts doable i think, probably esp w/ plat dragon tower 16:41 [hdf-us] [dnh] phaperplane2 (Bin Hum Mal Non), 131 points, T:380, killed by a sewer rat 16:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] SrinivasSamJespe (Tou Hum Fem Neu) stole 396 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Tuktoyaktuk's general store, on T:32671 16:46 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 16:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] Leggman (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:32713 16:48 my last game had over 1k maxhp casually lol 16:49 -!- SrinivasSamJespe has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:50 hothraxxa: Oh, ok. If there was a reluctantly message, I'll mark that off my bug list for now. 16:52 <@malor> yeah, but you have secret "demo strats". When I saw your thousand I wondered why it wasn't 1,500. 16:52 Demo: Try doing that in Fourk. 16:53 fourk doesn't like me 16:53 (It's probably possible for now; I think there are a couple of extreme-maxHP-growth exploits I haven't closed up yet.) 16:53 <@malor> nurse dancing was the only method that raised my max hp more than a little that I tried when I played jonadab. 16:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] augmentedfourth (Val Dwa Fem Law), 10866 points, T:6790, killed by a Grey-elf 16:58 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Con Dwa Fem Cha) killed Croesus, on T:37528 17:01 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Bat Fem Cha), 20268 points, T:6469, killed by a crossbow bolt 17:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 1114 points, T:2552, killed by a large mimic 17:11 [hdf-eu] [nh370] spontiff (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed for the first time, on T:7968 17:12 [hdf-eu] [nh370] spontiff (Hea Gno Mal Neu) murdered his faithful large cat, on T:7968 17:16 [hdf-us] [dnh] owen (Val Inc Fem Neu) averted death, on T:41079 17:18 [hdf-eu] [nh370] nurdglaw (Sam Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Ninja, on T:4134 17:24 [hdf-eu] [nh370] nurdglaw (Sam Hum Mal Law), 2464 points, T:4360, killed by a fire ant 17:25 -!- nurdglaw has joined #hardfought 17:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] augmentedfourth (Val Dwa Fem Law), 203 points, T:816, killed by a bat 17:31 +stella | where is my nethackscoreboard fanmail <-- i love it! 17:37 yey 17:39 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1564 17:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] augmentedfourth (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1437 points, T:2189, killed by a killer bee 17:44 -!- amateurhour has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:45 [hdf-eu] [nh370] nurdglaw (Sam Hum Mal Law), 96 points, T:431, killed by an invisible lich 17:46 stella you're great and nhs is great 17:47 I haven't looked at the scoreboard recently but hey a compliment is a compliment 17:47 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] augmentedfourth (Val Dwa Fem Law), 734 points, T:1043, killed by a horse 17:50 lol 17:50 did u see my ping at least about xnh 17:51 i finally got around to conductX and i think xnh conducts are all correct now as a result 17:52 also ty ty 17:53 i like all the parts of the scoreboard and the wiki where u can click columns to sort by that 17:53 it's hot biz 17:53 [hdf-eu] [dnh] ElPsyCongrooGoku (Cav Bat Mal Law), 115253 points, T:15731, killed by a scroll of earth 17:53 think that's og Mandevil scoreboard 17:53 (as most of it is rly hah) 17:55 i remember once i got a report that table sort doesnt work, which was cuz the js files weren't in the right place 17:55 now works great ye :> 18:04 [hdf-us] [dnh] phaperplane2 (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 3557 points, T:3083, killed by a small dart 18:04 wait, you can sort colums on the NHS now? 18:04 *columns 18:13 oh, maybe not 18:13 yeah not seeing it 18:13 there's so many tables i figured some were user-sortable 18:13 those are always my favorite tables 18:13 brb pasting onclick="sortTable" everywhere 18:14 -!- Semilg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:14 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 18:14 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:14 my greatest fantasy is that all tables on the internet will be user-sortable by default 18:15 cuz sure, a default sort order is needed, but someday somene's gonna wanna look at the data anther way 18:15 i suspect futzing with nethackwiki's default template could do it 18:15 K2: you can on some pages 18:15 i think 18:16 i dont remember which ones 18:16 hmm 18:16 are you 'stella' permanently now? I keep wanting to call you aoei 18:18 idk u can still call me aoei 18:18 [hdf-us] [nh4] Big P (zetroma) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 29052 points, T:2962, killed by a giant ant 18:19 will that still flag you on irc? 18:20 try 18:20 -!- nurdglaw has quit [Quit: Client closed] 18:20 aoei 18:20 hm nope 18:20 i will add that 18:20 k 18:21 [hdf-us] [dnh] phaperplane2 (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 1981 points, T:1614, quit 18:22 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:22 [hdf-us] [nh4] Big P (zetroma) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 6076 points, T:455, killed by a Mr. Adjama, the shopkeeper 18:22 now it should work 18:23 -!- Semilg has joined #hardfought 18:24 aoei 18:27 stella: i wish it had a few more features like a list of users /search 18:28 -!- gbmor has quit [Quit: reboop the box] 18:29 -!- gbmor has joined #hardfought 18:32 [hdf-us] [dnh] post163 (Kni Clk Mal Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 18:32 [hdf-us] [seed] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 18:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 849 points, T:2051, killed by a killer bee 18:35 [hdf-us] [seed] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 433 points, T:543, [0:03:30], killed by a giant bat 18:36 [hdf-us] [seed] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 18:38 -!- Terexen has joined #hardfought 18:41 [hdf-us] [dnh] phaperplane2 (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 4564 points, T:2817, quit 18:41 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 18:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Ran Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1166 18:45 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 18:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] phaperplane2 (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 211 points, T:828, killed by a gnome 18:53 -!- Semilg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:54 Moult: me too thats a rly good idea 18:57 [hdf-us] [xnh] MiseryMyra (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:3806 18:58 [hdf-us] [seed] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 0 points, T:1, [0:00:02], slipped while mounting a saddled pony 18:58 [hdf-us] [dnh] post163 (Nob Dro Fem Cha), 32 points, T:30, slipped while mounting a saddled giant spider 18:59 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 67 points, T:85, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 19:00 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Kni Dwa Fem Law), 92 points, T:160, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 19:00 [hdf-us] [xnh] MiseryMyra (Val Dwa Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3983 19:02 [hdf-us] [xnh] MiseryMyra (Val Dwa Fem Law) endured an absurd aquatic ceremony, and now wields Excalibur, on T:4255 19:06 [hdf-us] [xnh] MiseryMyra (Val Dwa Fem Law), 3662 points, T:4817, killed by a hill orc called Unaihai of Akhazog, while sleeping 19:07 !lastgame 19:07 MiseryMyra: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/M/MiseryMyra/xnethack/dumplog/1641863799.xnh.html | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/O/OmNyomNyom/fiqhack/dumplog/2022-01-11%2015%3A57%3A47%2C%20Ranwan-Ran-Elf-Fem-Cha%2C%20died.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/E/ElPsyCongrooGoku/dnethack/dumplog/1639265664.dnh.txt 19:09 -!- mariari has joined #hardfought 19:12 [hdf-us] [4k] hothraxxa (Bar Hum Fem Cha) wished for "thoroughly blessed greased historic unlabeled fixed gray dragon scales named welcome to the new way", on T:4184 19:12 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: It's a dud! 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It's a du...] 19:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] SkydiveMike (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 752 points, T:3381, killed by a bugbear 19:18 [hdf-us] [dnh] Abdlabl (Mad Inc Fem Neu), 1116 points, T:1278, killed by a pony 19:20 stella: are you coding it? 19:20 [hdf-us] [dnh] Abdlabl (Mad Inc Fem Neu), 154 points, T:492, killed by a water moccasin, while praying 19:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 19:21 [hdf-us] [dnh] post163 (Nob Inc Fem Law), 0 points, T:10, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 19:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) murdered his faithful little dog, on T:1 19:22 [hdf-us] [xnh] MiseryMyra (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Minetown, on T:1876 19:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 58 points, T:230, killed by a jackal 19:27 @d?blob of preserved organs 19:27 blob of preserved organs (b) | Lvl: 1 | Diff: 2 | Spd: 0 | Res: sleep poison acid petrification drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: special | AC: Nat 0/Dodge 0/Prot 0 | Attacks: 1d8 passive paralyze | Alignment: -10 | Flags: amorphous, poisonous, undead, passes-bars 19:27 🤔 19:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Ran Elf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Trailblazer, on T:3742 19:30 -!- b93 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:30 [hdf-us] [dnh] Abdlabl (Mad Inc Fem Neu), 1251 points, T:1729, killed by a lemure 19:36 [hdf-us] [spl] Celefoombor (Kni Inf Nbn Law), 3640 points, T:3270, killed by a sonic beam 19:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:32306 19:40 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 19:40 [hdf-us] [4k] hothraxxa (Bar Hum Fem Cha) unlocked the Healer role by receiving holy water as a result of prayer, on T:4925 19:42 [hdf-us] [xnh] MiseryMyra (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1106 points, T:3379, killed by a water moccasin 19:42 [hdf-us] [spl] Celefoombor (Car Gno Nbn Neu), 16 points, T:125, killed by a falling rock 19:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:32512 19:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Ran Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:4640 19:53 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Dra Hum Nbn Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled baby white dragon 19:53 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Orc Fem Cha) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:77272 20:00 -!- NetSysFire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:01 -!- NetSysFire has joined #hardfought 20:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:4687 20:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:4871 20:07 [hdf-us] [dnh] carlarc (Mad Orc Fem Cha) killed Sir Garland, on T:18683 20:09 [hdf-eu] [nh370] OhNoNotAgain (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 3018 points, T:4606, killed by a straw golem 20:10 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Brd Inc Mal Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:8857 20:13 [hdf-us] [nh4] Big P (zetroma) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 43823 points, T:9576, killed by a rock troll 20:15 [hdf-us] [dnh] Abdlabl (Mad Inc Fem Neu), 9594 points, T:2748, killed by an erinys 20:16 [hdf-us] [dnh] Abdlabl (Mad Inc Fem Neu), 73 points, T:147, killed by a goblin 20:25 [hdf-us] [evil] dolores (Ran Gno Fem Cha), 212 points, T:650, killed by a sewer rat 20:27 does Nethack Fourk 4.3.0.5 only offer two roles, and human only currently? 20:29 [hdf-us] [dnh] carlarc (Mad Orc Fem Cha), 138993 points, T:20015, petrified by a beholder 20:30 [hdf-us] [seed] Celefoombor (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 20:31 you evidently need to do in-game things to unlock more roles 20:31 a lot of them seem fairly trivial to do 20:32 mariari - look at hothraxxa's recent ingame event. unlocked the Healer role by receiving holy water as a result of prayer, 20:32 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Cha), 4208 points, T:4785, killed by a tengu 20:32 the new version also has some bugs. i can't play, for instance. 20:33 ahh gotcha 20:39 [hdf-us] [4k] Dolores (dolores) (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) unlocked the Ranger role by using stairs, on T:317 20:40 [hdf-eu] [nh370] OhNoNotAgain (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:2164 20:45 [hdf-us] [4k] Dolores (dolores) (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) unlocked the Priest role by identifying an item's beatitude on an altar, on T:760 20:47 [hdf-eu] [nh370] OhNoNotAgain (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2444 20:50 -!- remirol has joined #hardfought 20:50 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v remirol] by ChanServ 20:50 -!- lorimer has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by remirol))] 20:51 -!- workimer has joined #hardfought 20:51 -!- workimer is now known as lorimer 20:51 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v lorimer] by ChanServ 20:51 -!- remirol has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by lorimer))] 20:53 [hdf-us] [4k] Dolores (dolores) (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 4620 points, T:1474, killed by a poisonous corpse 20:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:1576 20:57 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:59 [hdf-eu] [nh370] OhNoNotAgain (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 3988 points, T:2938, killed by a werewolf 21:00 [hdf-us] [4k] achievement (unlocked) (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) unlocked the Rogue role by using long stairs, on T:1115 21:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) endured an absurd aquatic ceremony, and now wields Excalibur, on T:3675 21:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law), 3165 points, T:4341, killed by an ettin mummy, while frozen by a floating eye's gaze 21:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Arc Dwa Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a xorn, on T:51844 21:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1565 21:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Arc Dwa Mal Law) had Fire Brand bestowed upon him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:51952 21:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) endured an absurd aquatic ceremony, and now wields Excalibur, on T:2382 21:29 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 21:29 [hdf-us] [4k] dolores (Bar Hum Fem Cha) unlocked the Rogue role by using long stairs, on T:1034 21:29 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Ran Gno Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:6553 21:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:2660 21:57 [hdf-us] [4k] dolores (Bar Hum Fem Cha) unlocked the elven race by using stairs in Sokoban, on T:2598 21:57 [hdf-us] [4k] dolores (Bar Hum Fem Cha) unlocked the race option by using stairs in Sokoban, on T:2598 21:57 [hdf-us] [4k] dolores (Bar Hum Fem Cha) unlocked the showrace option by using stairs in Sokoban, on T:2598 22:00 [hdf-us] [4k] dolores (Bar Hum Fem Cha) unlocked the fruit name option by eating a melon, on T:2992 22:02 [hdf-us] [evil] Celefoombor (Inf Ith Fem Una), 172 points, T:514, killed by a boulder 22:04 [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Mad Vam Fem Cha) killed the Chromatic Dragon, on T:41156 22:08 [hdf-us] [spl] Celefoombor (Pri Mer Fem Neu), 236 points, T:1011, killed by an acidic corpse 22:08 <@Celefoombor> One of these days I'm going to remember not to eat those at level 1 22:19 [hdf-us] [spl] Celefoombor (Rog Dro Mal Cha), 299 points, T:1116, dispatched by a small mimic 22:19 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 22:20 -!- rebatela has quit [Client Quit] 22:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] Celefoombor (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 56 points, T:348, poisoned by a little dart 22:26 [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Mad Vam Fem Cha) killed the invisible Center of All, on T:41345 22:28 [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Mad Vam Fem Cha) became the Glory of Arioch, on T:41407 22:41 [hdf-us] [4k] dolores (Bar Hum Fem Cha) entered the Sokoban zoo, on T:5175 22:41 [hdf-us] [4k] dolores (Bar Hum Fem Cha) unlocked the Knight role by completing Sokoban without cheating, on T:5175 22:41 [hdf-us] [4k] dolores (Bar Hum Fem Cha) unlocked the horse name option by completing Sokoban without cheating, on T:5175 22:45 [hdf-us] [4k] dolores (Bar Hum Fem Cha) performed performance art by playing the game, on T:9001 22:46 hah 22:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Pri Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed wand of polymorph", on T:29222 22:59 price iding is always tedious 23:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Pri Hum Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:29282 23:03 [hdf-us] [4k] dolores (Bar Hum Fem Cha) unlocked the Hoplite role by converting an altar's alignment, on T:6337 23:03 [hdf-us] [4k] dolores (Bar Hum Fem Cha) unlocked the valkyrie race by converting an altar's alignment, on T:6337 23:06 ^ that's a moderately tough hurdle, for a noob unlocking the noob friendly class... tho 4k has always aimed to make barbarian replace valk for that title 23:07 the axe skill change is pretty fun, mb i should unironnnnnnically play a 4kbarb 23:08 not used to having to deal with weight again 23:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Pri Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed spellbook of magic mapping", on T:29427 23:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Pri Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed spellbook of create monster", on T:29471 23:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Pri Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed spellbook of magic missile", on T:29476 23:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Pri Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:29533 23:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Pri Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:29537 23:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] augmentedfourth (Val Dwa Fem Law) stole 150 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Hebiwerie's general store, on T:1011 23:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Pri Hum Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:29780 23:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] RedArrow (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased rustproof +2 helm of telepathy", on T:33708 23:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] augmentedfourth (Val Dwa Fem Law), 586 points, T:1114, killed by a gecko 23:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Pri Hum Mal Cha) attained the rank of Curate, on T:30285 23:26 got cleaver hell yeah 23:26 spicyCebolla: it makes since, it's a Barbarian!!! 23:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] augmentedfourth (Val Dwa Fem Law), 286 points, T:1258, killed by a giant mimic 23:30 [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Mad Vam Fem Cha) killed Dagon, on T:42468 23:30 I got 2 gifts in a row 23:30 strombringer and cleaver 23:33 wonder what is better for a barb, I'm guessing stormbringer just due to it being 1 handed 23:34 :( 23:35 https://pomf2.lain.la/f/4f9z21h4.png 23:35 it seems you can't use runesword without it bugging 23:35 [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Mad Vam Fem Cha) killed the creature in the ice, on T:42517 23:37 seems drain is broken 23:39 might be spfx_strm that's broken 23:39 but yeah, if your game recovers, i guess the correct answer is cleaver ^_^ 23:40 or maybe two one-handed axes? because axes cleave for you in general, don't need an arti for that 23:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Pri Hum Mal Cha) attained the rank of Canon, on T:31447 23:40 [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (Mad Vam Fem Cha) killed Levistus, on T:42572 23:40 I guess but it has good damage right? 23:40 Ideally stormbringer is a good weapon 23:40 seems that it gives drain 23:40 not used to having decent artifacts 23:41 and it also makes peaceful monsters fight you, which could be a YASD 23:41 yeah 23:41 I attacked a town guard 23:41 I don't think they forget 23:41 so I'm going to avoid the protection racket 23:41 no i mean, this https://github.com/tsadok/nhfourk/commit/b71d0937d0 23:41 similar but a bit different than the usual effect 23:42 also probably the source of the bug 23:42 huh 23:43 well when it was attacking the twon guard it didn't matter 23:43 but yeah something probably in this update 23:43 well commit 23:44 well probably not, this was from what 2015? 23:44 what were you attacking? 23:44 > Oct 23, 2015 23:44 a gnome 23:44 or do you mean the guard situation? 23:44 we do know the exact spot int eh source 23:45 https://github.com/tsadok/nhfourk/blob/master/libnethack/src/artifact.c#L678 23:45 namely it defaults to here 23:45 so it's the attack type that's screwy 23:46 yeah, it fell through to that spot. just fun to guess whether it fell through due to drli not working (resisted? out of order in a list somewhere now?) or spfx_strm mistakenly is getting checked on the ad_ table 23:47 yeah do you already have a bugzilla account on rouglikes.live? if so could you file the report, don't feel like waiting around for an email 23:47 seems no one has filed it as of yet 23:48 also if one gets into a bad situation in stockish nethack, what are the normal recourse? just E spam 23:48 or? normally I can tp out of danger or heal tank some parts in the variant I typcically play, so I'm not more familiar with escape methods of more stock nethack 23:49 did (R)ecover work? fwiw, that option never messed me up 23:49 at worst, nothing happened 23:49 yeah, it works fine 23:49 it just undos the attack option of the last turn 23:49 ah groove 23:50 I assume some patches will come soon, though what is the nick of the developer here, it seems to be a simple case of the damage type changing 23:50 ol elby is powerful in 4k, as in olde nethacke. but your hand cramps so you can't do it often 23:51 I'd have to look at the diff between 0.4 and 0.4 23:51 ahh 23:51 so the E word is strong 23:51 any other recourse? I've noticed I have no short tp or anything else to fall back on 23:51 consequently all the monsters in base seem to be much easier so maybe it's not needed? 23:52 i'd say wands, but barbs have low wand skill 23:52 i don't like playing chunkies for this very reason! 23:52 you generally aren't in danger but your toolkit is small 23:52 the inverse is more thrilling 23:53 yeah 23:53 I'm used to more frail characters and very weird gimics 23:53 the main thing that stops me from playing more normal variants, Is I find stash mechanics and price iding is tedious, I'm guessing after a while the price tables become automatic in ones head? 23:54 you have the magic chests for stashing 23:54 for the other, i use http://nethack.gridbug.de/prices.html 23:54 oh, is that what that was 23:55 ahh probability tables this is slightly nicer than the wiki 23:55 I just use that, the issue is, you have to consult a website to cross off probability tables, but this does help 23:56 price iding enchant armor is one of the easier ones. the bigger price categories, i just wait for blessed id 23:57 yeah same with enchant weapon 23:57 ahh I see 23:57 yeah I need to also brushup on ascension kits, crossing items off like a shoping list 23:57 https://github.com/tsadok/nhfourk/blob/master/doc/changelog-fourk.txt#L1371 u might be interested in magic chests, etc, if you're gonna keep playing 23:58 sounds like you've gotten this char off the ground 23:58 yeah, so they have the same slots around the dungeon? 23:58 if so I'll go back to soko and dump all my extra stuff off there 23:58 need to remember where the others ones where 23:59 yeah the axe will be great for CC, with the draining sword good for stealing hp levels and healing 23:59 and probably finding a silver side weapon to wield it with