00:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] kdg (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 326 points, T:908, killed by a gnome lady 00:04 [hdf-us] [un] Umbire (Con Hum Fem Cha), 81 points, T:254, dragged downstairs by an iron ball 00:05 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Fem Law), 4274 points, T:5247, killed by a human mummy 00:06 Umbire: dragged downstairs by an iron ball - is that a death? 00:06 Yes 00:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:23168 00:07 hey Moult I know you were interested in some variants, in June there's a 'tournament' where everyone plays a whole bunch of variants 00:07 it's super fun, I have a blast every time 00:09 [hdf-us] [un] Umbire (Con Hum Fem Cha) shouted "lmfao first try water demon", on T:31 00:09 [hdf-eu] [nh370] spontiff (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:105625 00:09 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Rog Hob Fem Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Mog, on T:49182 00:10 [hdf-us] [un] Umbire (Con Hum Fem Cha) shouted "followed by fucking snakes lmfao fuck this game", on T:51 00:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed amulet of life saving", on T:23214 00:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Pri Elf Mal Cha) stole 4662 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Akureyri's general store, on T:2606 00:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed +2 T-shirt", on T:23229 00:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed rustproof +2 gauntlets of power", on T:23233 00:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) wished for "magic marker", on T:23234 00:14 [hdf-us] [un] Umbire (Con Hum Fem Cha), 16 points, T:195, killed by a water moccasin 00:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) wished for "magic marker", on T:23373 00:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] kdg (Val Dwa Fem Law), 366 points, T:1283, killed by a manes, while frozen by a floating eye's gaze 00:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Pri Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Adept, on T:3092 00:18 [hdf-us] [fh] carlarc (Kni Hum Fem Law) received Dragonbane from Lugh, on T:6150 00:19 lmao found an early wand of polymorph 00:19 now imma woodchuck 00:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] SkydiveMike (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 240 points, T:1500, killed by a giant mimic 00:20 amateurhour: yeah i was reading about that, i think i'd like to join the june/nov tournaments 00:20 would be fun to join a clan too 00:20 yeah it's such a blast honestly 00:20 I prefer the variants one I think 00:21 Umbire: just try your luck zapping until you get a woodchuck? 00:21 no 00:21 [hdf-us] [un] Umbire (Con Hum Mal Cha), 111 points, T:519, killed by a system shock 00:21 speaking of woodchucks, does nethack ever have any prey animals? like rabbits and deer that aren't trying to kill you but instead kinda just hide and run 00:21 besides the fact that I can't anyway, zapping a random monster is asking for trouble 00:21 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Rog Hob Fem Neu) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Mog, on T:49475 00:22 I'm not only not gonna get the monster I want, I'll also get something likely highly out of depth 00:22 Umbire: ah ok you zapped it on yourself hoping for something fun? 00:23 and/or something that could break the chain 00:23 what's wrong with breaking the chain? 00:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Pri Elf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:3687 00:25 [hdf-us] [un] Umbire (Con Hum Fem Cha), 67 points, T:158, killed by a falling object 00:25 Maybe ask me all this later lol 00:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 3904 points, T:3832, killed by a soldier ant 00:25 hehehehe ok :) 00:25 * Moult watches Umbire die in a variety of manners 00:26 [hdf-us] [un] Umbire (Con Hum Fem Cha), 44 points, T:29, killed by a fox 00:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 2455 points, T:913, killed by a system shock 00:31 -!- lurchy has joined #hardfought 00:31 friggen team @ 00:34 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu) became literate by engraving "Lilje", on T:3140 00:35 [hdf-us] [xnh] every (Ran Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1 00:37 neat theme room added with a ghost with a few items 00:37 to 3.7 00:38 but if kicking ghosts gets removed then it might really really suck early game 00:38 depends if they're wearing the armour or not 00:39 I guess they wouldn't be 00:39 <@carlarc> ty hothraxxa for these bones with a green demon in the mines 00:39 <@carlarc> wat 00:39 <@carlarc> green dragon* 00:40 free GDSM maybe 00:41 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Rog Hob Fem Neu) had Werebane bestowed upon her by Mog, on T:49862 00:41 <@carlarc> i'm playing fiq 00:41 <@carlarc> so.... no. 00:41 <@carlarc> dragons are no joke there 00:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Pri Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2090 00:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 905 points, T:2115, killed by a wand 00:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] kdg (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:1107 00:46 grrr 00:47 !lastgame lurchy 00:47 nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/l/lurchy/nethack/dumplog/1641169565.nh.html 00:47 YASI: Green demon carrying a cursed amulet of life saving 00:47 [hdf-us] [spl] sflicht (Ran Elf Mal Neu), 378 points, T:1255, offed by a couatl of Mercury 00:48 amateurhour: commit? 00:48 Is it like a "bones" theme room? 00:48 https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/commit/76381815f333e1cfe5d2c503a504b1f3e6551945 00:48 seems like the name is 'Ghost of an Adventurer' if you want to add it to the wiki 00:48 looks like it, yeah 00:49 just what the dungeon needs, more dead guys 00:49 pretty neat 00:51 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Rog Hob Fem Neu) had a copper axe entrusted to her by Mog, on T:50066 00:52 oh yay, the container-to-container #tip thing just got committed yesterday 00:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] dpmdpm (Tou Hum Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1172 00:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] dpmdpm (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 1253 points, T:1256, killed by an invisible gnome lord 00:56 amateurhour: this will make the term "fake bones" even more confusing 00:56 -!- Bartol has joined #hardfought 00:57 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Rog Hob Fem Neu) had Dragonbane bestowed upon her by Mog, on T:50153 00:58 -!- Bartol has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 0 points, T:7, killed by a falling object 01:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 2340 points, T:2112, killed by a large kobold 01:03 !setmintc 500 01:03 K2: [hdf-au][hdf-eu][hdf-us] Min reported turncount for k2 set to 500 01:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2410 01:08 [hdf-us] [un] Umbire (Con Hum Fem Cha), 74 points, T:52, crunched in the head by an iron ball 01:09 true aosdict I didn't think of that 01:13 -!- amateurhour has quit [Quit: finding diary] 01:15 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 01:17 !booze 01:17 * Beholder delivers nabru a barrel of grappa, decanted by Athame at -8 degrees Fahrenheit. 01:19 -!- Semilg has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:20 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:4756 01:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] dpmdpm (Tou Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Excursionist, on T:3478 01:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] dpmdpm (Tou Hum Fem Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3541 01:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Arc Dwa Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2256 01:26 [hdf-au] [nh370] Moult (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 9869 points, T:16813, quit 01:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] dpmdpm (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 2225 points, T:4310, killed by a giant spider 01:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] MiseryMyra (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3419 01:41 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 3674 points, T:7334, killed by a piranha 01:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] kdg (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at them by some watery tart, on T:3819 01:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] kdg (Val Dwa Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3825 01:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] MiseryMyra (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1729 points, T:3911, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted Mordor orc 01:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] kdg (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:3837 01:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] kdg (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1891 points, T:4137, killed by an ape, while frozen by a floating eye's gaze 02:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] SkydiveMike (Tou Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Excursionist, on T:4925 02:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 3738 points, T:5270, killed by an orcish arrow 02:18 -!- shadowrider38 has joined #hardfought 02:22 [hdf-us] [dnh] phaperplane2 (Kni Hum Mal Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1884 02:24 [hdf-us] [dnh] phaperplane2 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 4240 points, T:2041, quit 02:29 aosdict: we'll just call them super-fake bones 02:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:35073 02:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:35091 02:36 -!- shadowrider38 has quit [Quit: Client closed] 02:44 I think super fake bones should be reserved for the cursed items on traps that don't even have a ghost 02:46 previously known as "fake bones" 02:48 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:48 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 02:48 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 02:50 -!- potato44 has joined #hardfought 02:52 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] JortsValjorts (Val Dwa Fem Law), 420 points, T:1256, killed by a giant rat 03:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 3731 points, T:3991, poisoned by a killer bee 03:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Ran Elf Fem Cha) became literate by naming Sting, on T:311 03:12 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 03:13 the ghost special room helps to reinforce the main plot 03:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed ring of levitation", on T:37381 03:15 You, a newly spawned nitwit, have been heralded from birth as a source of bones files. You are destined to die suddenly, rise as a ghost, and get kicked to death by whoever discovers your body. Go bravely with the RNG! 03:16 aosdict: the virgin "trap bones" vs. the chad "ghost bones" 03:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Pri Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2386 03:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] MiseryMyra (Val Dwa Fem Law), 546 points, T:1697, killed by an orc zombie, while frozen by a floating eye's gaze 03:23 [hdf-au] [nh370] Moult (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 14394 points, T:18464, killed by an energy vortex 03:23 -!- krm26 has joined #hardfought 03:25 wow, energy vortexes are very dangerous 03:27 i like to geno them 03:28 !lastgame Moult 03:28 NetSysFire: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/M/Moult/nethack/dumplog/1641094308.nh.html 03:28 [hdf-us] [slth] dns (Fla Dro Fem Cha), 4358 points, T:1946, killed by a large dingo 03:31 i was button mashing though, i didn't need to have hit it three times 03:32 what are the options for boosting your HP at early levels, when you haven't got things like potions of healing, coaligned altars, ID scrolls, etc? 03:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 1769 points, T:3303, killed by a gnome lord 03:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] JortsValjorts (Val Dwa Mal Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:4528 03:37 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:38 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 03:38 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 03:38 [hdf-au] [nh370] Moult (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) murdered his faithful warhorse, on T:19399 03:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] JortsValjorts (Val Dwa Mal Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:4811 03:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] sickopsycho (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1431 points, T:2042, killed by a dog called KA9Q 03:40 If running a low-HP role, praying at 1/7 HP can often raise your max as well 03:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] JortsValjorts (Val Dwa Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:4962 03:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] JortsValjorts (Val Dwa Mal Law) entered a temple, on T:4962 03:40 you also discover healing potions p. quickly compared to others 03:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] MiseryMyra (Val Dwa Fem Law), 946 points, T:2530, killed by a wand 03:41 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Kni Hum Mal Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3030 03:42 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Kni Hum Mal Law), 800 points, T:3045, poisoned by a rotted rock piercer corpse, while helpless 03:43 [hdf-au] [nh370] Moult (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 20340 points, T:19519, killed by a Green-elf called Time to die 03:43 [hdf-au] [nh370] Moult (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 16398 points, T:19393, quit 03:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] sickopsycho (Val Dwa Fem Law), 116 points, T:397, killed by a fox 03:44 hmm disappointing :( i thought i was doing pretty well with AC-6 and turning back before finishing sokoban, but i still really struggled at the end there especially with the low HP 03:46 maybe its time to play with explore mode disabled >:) 03:48 wiz elf is a particularly low HP combo 03:48 are you trying to have that be your first ascension? 03:49 spicyChickatrice: yes 03:49 you gotta play with a bit above average cleverness as an elf wiz; can't just go around bonking things and finding out whether they're lethal 03:49 there are race/roles where you can do the latter ofc 03:49 spicyChickatrice: yep, learning the hard way 03:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] MiseryMyra (Val Dwa Fem Law), 11 points, T:1209, killed by a goblin, while fainted from lack of food 03:51 this character was also pretty weak, i think i started around a St:8 or something, and was only St:11 by the time i had finished sokoban 03:51 Sometimes there's no harm in like, finding a boulder to push back and forth for a while 03:59 <@Joanna> Boring and a waste of time imo 03:59 Umbire: https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Exercise seems quite complex to figure out when exactly pushing a boulder results in a strength bonus 04:00 Strength's also like the easiest of the stats to train so 04:01 oh, boulder pushing? a new monster spawns every 100 turns or so. so i only boulder push if it happens to be like, on the way to something else useful/interesting 04:02 <@carlarc> wtf i did sokoban and got a no engrave id wand as reward?? 04:02 <@carlarc> oh no im dumb 04:02 <@carlarc> ignore me 04:03 moinmoin 04:03 <@Joanna> Anyway don't listen to Umbire they're bad at nethack. Listen to spicyCebolla instead 04:04 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Kni Hum Mal Law) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:2045 04:05 Joanna, I don't need your help deprecating my playing ability. 04:05 Perfectly capable of doing that myself, thanks. 04:06 <@Joanna> I don't buy that 04:06 Too bad. 04:07 <@Joanna> Also get good and ascend 04:08 Moult: You can also train strength from stuff like kicking doors, just attacking in melee, etc. 04:09 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 04:09 With elf wizards specifically you're also probably in more of a position to use foocubi than most iirc 04:10 Lot of different approaches you can take there, really 04:10 <@Joanna> Foocubi will only train your strength 04:11 <@Joanna> Actual stat increases are con or wis 04:11 <@Joanna> Altho yes elf wiz has high enough int that you can expect mostly good effects 04:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 3391 points, T:3715, killed by a vampire bat 04:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed the Dark One, on T:24651 04:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:24653 04:18 [hdf-us] [fh] carlarc (Kni Hum Fem Law) received Trollsbane from Lugh, on T:16908 04:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] JortsValjorts (Val Dwa Mal Law), 3485 points, T:5236, petrified by a chickatrice 04:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Pri Elf Fem Cha) murdered her faithful little dog, on T:2404 04:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Pri Elf Fem Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:3039 04:28 [hdf-us] [slth] dns (Fla Dro Fem Cha) killed the ghost of dns, the former Broiler, on T:1445 04:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] MiseryMyra (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:2089 04:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 807 points, T:3689, killed by a gnome lord 04:30 44 man....playing as a priest is a different challenge...they are wusses! 04:31 lurchy: You are plainyg elf. In either case I tend to go for armor first since I don't expect to cast for a while. 04:32 wy not elf? intelligence is better than human...no? 04:32 that was the case in wizards 04:33 Priests cast using Wisdom. 04:33 Not even saying elf is a bad choice, just of course they're gonna be squishy. 04:34 lol....does human have bettter intrisics for playing priest? 04:34 intrinsics...damn speeling porblem 04:35 lurchy: https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Hit_points#Hit_points_gained_on_level_gain_and_starting_hitpoints 04:35 1 more HP to start, 0.5 more per level 04:35 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:36 It's not even about intrinsics so much as it is elves having typically low constitution 04:36 Though generally priests can get some real shit STR rolls too 04:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:1269 04:37 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 04:37 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 04:38 Umbire: i really appreciate all your help during my first explore ascension :) i feel as though i learned a ton and i know better how to prepare 04:38 Happy to oblige. 04:39 the real test is now i've disabled explore mode we'll see... so far i've killed a few characters around soko/minetown which isn't an improvement, but maybe they were just bad luck. 04:42 I mean consistently reaching either coming off explore testing is a decent start 04:43 And it might be a bit of bad luck besides, either way you'll get there. Just take your time - shouldn't be some arbitrary pressure to win 04:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] sickopsycho (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:3791 04:44 prior to explore testing i could consistently reach soko/minetown. i wouldn't necessarily finish soko, but i would reach it :) 04:44 for example the past three games (apart from the one with the surprise hobbit with a wand of cold) i reached it 04:44 Which is good. Like I said, sometimes it takes a bit for the knowledge to really kick in 04:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Pri Elf Mal Cha) murdered his faithful little dog, on T:711 04:45 Most people tend to learn with more explicitly 'melee' roles, the valks and such 04:45 the one i'm on right now everything is super shallow. delphi is D5 04:45 DL6 Soko, Mines stairs are...? 04:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 246 points, T:741, killed by a small mimic 04:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] sickopsycho (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:4118 04:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Pri Elf Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (class h), on T:228 04:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 342 points, T:292, killed by a sewer rat 04:51 Umbire: minestairs are D2 04:51 lmao that tracks 04:52 banking on a DL5 or 6 Minetown 04:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] sickopsycho (Val Dwa Fem Law) murdered her faithful pony, on T:4766 04:57 [hdf-us] [evil] Cronos (Inf Ith Fem Una) completed Sokoban, acquiring a silver amulet of magic resistance, on T:7763 04:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] MiseryMyra (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:3550 04:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 209 points, T:1130, killed by a gnome zombie, while reading a book 04:59 grrr 05:02 Umbire: D5 minetown, you're right 05:03 shallow dungeon of doom seed, let's gooooooooo 05:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] MiseryMyra (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:4222 05:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] MiseryMyra (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:4374 05:14 Umbire: does this mean that all dlvls will be shallow? 05:14 No I'm just riffing as usual 05:15 though if that happened it'd be funny as shit 05:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] MiseryMyra (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2311 points, T:4443, killed by a wolf 05:17 in the first explore ascension game everything was as deep as possible, crazy stuff 05:25 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Kni Hum Mal Law) destroyed hackemslashem's ghost, the former Heathen, on T:4466 05:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Pri Elf Mal Cha) stole 5579 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Hebiwerie's general store, on T:3494 05:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Pri Elf Mal Cha) stole 1798 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Gyantse's health food store, on T:3588 05:39 [hdf-au] [nh370] Moult (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:4047 05:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Pri Elf Mal Cha) stole 1445 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Akureyri's general store, on T:3734 05:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Pri Elf Mal Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:3736 05:41 [hdf-au] [nh370] Moult (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:4221 05:42 [hdf-au] [nh370] Moult (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:4361 05:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Pri Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Adept, on T:3929 05:43 Moult: Oh yeah, what spells you start with this time? 05:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Pri Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:4000 05:46 Umbire: force bolt and detect monster 05:46 should've specified non-force bolt since that's a constant 05:46 detect monster is solid for training div though 05:46 and p. decent on its own 05:48 coaligned altar in minetown. camp here until i get magicbane? :) 05:48 You have a means of creating monsters? 05:49 The denizens of Minetown should be sacrifice enough but it helps to have a wand/scroll/bag/what-have-you 05:49 Umbire: no means unfortunately 05:49 [hdf-us] [evil] Cronos (Inf Ith Fem Una) eschewed atheism, by dropping a silver amulet of magic resistance on an altar, on T:10977 05:51 Then old-fashioned way it is 05:56 cloak of invisibility. better than cloak of magic resistance? 05:56 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Kni Hum Mal Law) destroyed NetSysFire's ghost, the former Heretic, on T:5829 05:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 5178 points, T:4801, killed by a gnome, while reading a book 05:57 hmm, again running into this issue where the shopkeeper doesn't get out of the way 05:58 anyone available to check this weird behaviour out? 05:59 oh, nevermind i had a debt i didn't realise 05:59 Yep, gotta double check for those 06:00 forgot i picked up actual money 06:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 131 points, T:440, killed by a jackal 06:00 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Kni Hum Mal Law) had Dramborleg bestowed upon him by Lugh, on T:6040 06:09 my god is angry with me :( what did i do 06:09 thought its usually safe to pray when i'm weak from hunger 06:10 "You have a feeling of inadequacy." - even after sacrificing a lot to anhur? :( 06:11 It usually is, provided you didn't pray within 600 turns previously 06:11 (sometimes shorter, if you're lucky and in particularly dire straits) 06:11 also Luck-influenced but in any case... 06:12 not enough food in Minetown, huh? 06:12 yeah struggling for food and the shopkeeps are ripping me off 06:12 Hm 06:13 That's typically why people make notes of their last prayer turn 06:13 Might have to head up or down a floor and find some gnomes/dwarves to eat if you can make it 06:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 525 points, T:1849, killed by a hobgoblin 06:14 Umbire: i've given him like 10 more corpses and he's still pissed 06:14 Oh right, that also 06:14 you need a high-difficulty corpse to mollify your god, partially or otherwise 06:15 higher since you're chaotic 06:15 Umbire: so my sacs were wasted :( 06:16 Unfortunately :/ 06:16 does he get less angry over time? 06:17 No 06:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 385 points, T:934, killed by a crossbow bolt 06:18 Umbire: so he's going to stay upset until either i die or i give him a powerful monster? 06:18 Yes 06:19 Umbire: and given that in shallow minetown i'm not going to get powerful monsters... 06:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] RedArrow (Sam Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Kunoichi, on T:3125 06:19 Yeah, gonna have to make do without 06:19 basically i've forfeited prayer and magicbane until i'm lucky enough to find another coaligned altar further down 06:20 Or you can level enough that a suitable monster's generated 06:20 Learning how to survive without prayer is a pretty important tool' 06:21 "chaotic players must sacrifice a corpse of 11 or greater" 06:21 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Monster_difficulty - if i ever come across these difficulties of "11" i'm going to die myself 06:22 You're just gonna have to be that much more careful moving forward and come back around to pacifying your god when the opportunity arises 06:23 -!- shadowrider38 has joined #hardfought 06:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] RedArrow (Sam Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3375 06:23 hmm, no magicbane makes life hard :( 06:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 247 points, T:949, killed by a hobbit, while reading a book 06:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] RedArrow (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:3513 06:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] RedArrow (Sam Hum Fem Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping 2 gunyoki on an altar, on T:3548 06:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) destroyed KarlMalone's ghost, the former Skirmisher, on T:5229 06:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:5381 06:31 -!- spicyChickatrice has quit [Quit: spicyChickatrice] 06:32 what would a recommended weapon be instead of magicbane, if i have to survive without magicbane for the rest of the early/mid game (i won't come across difficulty 11 until the mid-late game) 06:33 quarterstaff is perfectly fine if you can enchant it 06:33 stack of daggers is also decent 06:34 shadowrider38: a stack? as a meelee? 06:34 [hdf-us] [xnh] Umbire (Bar Orc Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed +3 gray dragon scales", on T:49800 06:35 [hdf-au] [nh370] Moult (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:8735 06:35 to throw as projectiles, Moult 06:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] KarlMalone (Kni Hum Mal Law) murdered his faithful pony, on T:449 06:35 Umbire: yes, but what about meelee? 06:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] KarlMalone (Kni Hum Mal Law), 302 points, T:465, killed by a jackal 06:36 that's... that's the point, you don't even get into melee 06:36 another dagger lol 06:36 hehehehehe ok. let's see how this goes 06:36 quarterstaff does more damage so you can use that 06:36 Moult the cowardly dagger throwing elf wizard 06:36 as mentioned, the staff is fine, but if you're stacking daggers you want to get to a point where you do most of your damage before your target even gets that close 06:37 also lmfao @ cowardly, it's a perfectly valid tactic across the board 06:37 hell it's how rogues are expected to functions, it's a solid option for valks... 06:38 you can do both and get the best of both worlds 06:38 might be heavy tho 06:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Pri Elf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:2391 06:39 Yeah and you're typically strapped for carrycap as is 06:40 <@riker> !ping 06:40 @riker: Pong! 06:42 Hi riker 06:43 riker guess who started WoT on audiobook 06:43 :3 06:45 [hdf-us] [slth] shadowrider38 (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Beholder, on T:17834 06:46 I still have Vecna to do in my game 06:46 forgot if I enchanted that electric sword enough for the fight 06:46 he's like, +3/+4 to hit? 06:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) destroyed quervo1's ghost, the former Investigator, on T:5979 06:47 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Kni Hum Mal Law) had a battle-axe entrusted to him by Lugh, on T:7048 06:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] JortsValjorts (Val Dwa Fem Law), 554 points, T:1425, killed by a giant ant 06:53 Go team a! 06:57 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 06:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] JortsValjorts (Val Dwa Fem Law), 553 points, T:1213, killed by a sewer rat 06:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] KarlMalone (Kni Hum Mal Law), 1232 points, T:2974, killed by a jaguar 06:59 so that means i also can't reliably create holy water until mid-late game :( 06:59 Nah 06:59 confused blessed remove cursed is still an option 06:59 (if a somewhat tedious one) 06:59 Also if you happen upon a random potion of holy water that's all you need 07:00 hey umbire 07:00 by any chance do you know how the forge works 07:01 or where i could find that 07:01 nope 07:01 Have not encountered it 07:01 amateurhour told you about that I thought 07:01 ah k 07:01 yeah im terrible at source diving 07:01 apparently you can manipulate it but theres no info on it in the wiki 07:04 I'll probably do some diving tomorrow after I see my grandmother off. 07:07 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Kni Hum Mal Law) polymorphed his first object, on T:7393 07:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] KarlMalone (Kni Hum Mal Law), 354 points, T:1355, killed by a small mimic 07:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 1429 points, T:3155, killed by a rothe 07:14 shadowrider38 I have used the forge in 2 games 07:15 My charisma was not very high so I had to use the prices in the source to know how much to offer 07:15 If I remember that's how you get certain stuff like Grayswandir 07:15 Snickersnee 07:15 etc. 07:15 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Kni Hum Mal Law) had an etched helmet entrusted to him by Lugh, on T:7780 07:16 is there a set of values or is it an algorithm? 07:16 https://github.com/Soviet5lo/SlashTHEM/blob/develop/src/smith.c 07:16 oh sweet thanks 07:16 prices_t prices 07:17 prices are adjusted based on charisma 07:17 standard shopkeeper adjustment 07:17 gotcha 07:17 this is great 07:17 finally got some GDS armor and a bag of holding in this fucking xnh game 07:18 I think that if charisma is high enough, he will just ask what you want 07:18 whatever I was doing I was about to try and brute force Thoth Amon it seems 07:18 glad I walked that back 07:18 nice Umbire 07:19 meh maybe im being picky but most of these artifacts arent that great 07:19 what alignment are you? 07:19 lawful 07:19 ah... 07:19 I have a couple of ascendable games at least but they've hit the sloggy parts of the progression and beyond that it's fun to just shoot the shit and trade info 07:19 I was neutral twice, then it is great 07:20 what did you go for in your games? 07:20 shadowrider38, you probably want Grayswandir at minimum, the rest is probably super-optional 07:20 there's a lot of artifacts in THEM, and many of the sac gifts are p. mid 07:20 ART_MIRROR_BRAND ART_ACID_BRAND 07:20 my instinct was that grays wasn't as awesome in slash or is that wrong? 07:21 iono actually, lemme see 07:21 shadowrider dual-weaponing those brands cut through everything 07:21 no variant section on that yet, another thing for the list 07:21 that does seem strong 07:22 i researched to figure out what role would give me lots of damage 07:22 and so im dual wielding excal and kiku 07:22 +5 to-hit & x2 damage. Removal of effect of hallucination. 07:22 which i think gives me +20 or more straight up without enchanting 07:23 ^nope, doesn't seem to be much changed itself 07:23 oh mirror brand is unaligned 07:23 acid brand too 07:23