00:01 <@carlarc> i think fiq replaced it with astral vision 00:01 <@carlarc> in fiqhack 00:01 ye 00:01 sounds like a fiq thing to do 00:03 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of magic resistance, on T:15588 00:05 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] Umbire (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Woman-at-arms, on T:11712 00:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Arc Hum Fem Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:2908 00:11 <@Shadow_Rider> Moult control move is technically safer 00:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:28268 00:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Arc Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Investigator, on T:3508 00:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:28271 00:15 Shadow_Rider, thanks, that makes sense 00:17 There is a troll with a death wand. 00:17 Help. 00:18 Never mind, Mjolnir'd it 00:19 Still need to beat it to Soko posthaste 00:27 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:18637 00:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Demonbane bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:29159 00:37 -!- hothraxxa has joined #hardfought 00:50 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 01:03 am i the only one who gets repeatedly confused by takeoff/remove and puton/wear 01:06 One's meant for armor, the other for accessories 01:06 They can be applied to the other, was a post-3.4.3 QoL thing I think 01:07 same with name/call 01:16 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:21 <@carlarc> happens to me all the time dw 01:21 <@carlarc> btw how do i get rid of peaceful enemies in stash levels 01:22 [hdf-us] [evil] carlarc (Pri Ith Fem Cha) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Susanowo, on T:43442 01:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:32162 01:25 Peaceful enemies aren't enemies lol 01:25 as an actual answer peacefuls typically won't rummage through chests iirc and you can typically just displace them like you can pets if they're in the way 01:27 <@carlarc> ik 01:27 <@carlarc> but theyre very noisy and can sometimes get in the way anyway 01:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Umbire (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Werebane bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:12714 01:27 <@carlarc> noisy as in visual noise 01:27 [hdf-au] [nh370] Moult (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:2636 01:27 <@carlarc> has any variant flat out removed -banes 01:27 no 01:28 because removing is dum when you can actually make things viable instead lol 01:28 <@Shadow_Rider> Won’t see variants removing too many things 01:28 <@Shadow_Rider> Most go the way of addition 01:29 <@carlarc> i know the mantra by heart, improve don't remove, from another game with lots of mutability 01:29 <@carlarc> but they're so boring and can probably be replaced with other more interesting artefacts 01:29 by that same logic you can just make them more interesting 01:29 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Val Hum Fem Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a sling on an altar, on T:5181 01:29 <@Shadow_Rider> Time for carlarc to make their own variant 01:29 <@carlarc> god no 01:29 e.g. xnh Ogresmasher can flatten small enough monsters instantly 01:30 <@carlarc> nethacks code drives me insane 01:30 trollsbane's passive regen is also p. handy 01:30 and in general it isn't nearly as bottomed out now that you won't necessarily be able to rely on pets for troll disposal 01:31 dragonbane was always one of the better banes imho 01:32 Umbire: cheers i enabled paranoid option which doesn't auto remove if i pick the wrong choice from remove/takeoff 01:32 giantslayer is... one of the legitimately dull ones, no doubt 01:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law), 55323 points, T:7992, killed by a lieutenant 01:32 though some variant improve on that as well (e.g conferring 18/** STR) 01:32 <@carlarc> so many of them are 'deal slightly higher but still non-competitive damage against an underwhelming enemy type' 01:32 variants* 01:33 I mean trolls and dragons can be assholes, among a few others 01:33 the real problem is they have to compete against boosted generic like frost blade/grayswandir/etc. 01:33 well, "problem" 01:34 generics* 01:35 hmm, i'm just reading up on altar conversion and maybe it isn't a good idea to try to convert cross aligned altars when i'm <= xplvl 3 and still struggilng with food 01:35 <@carlarc> the secondary abilities help in their usability but i think they still seem boring to me like, conceptually ; a weapon with a new skill you might need to expend a slot on to deal with a niche case like trolls who can just be tinned and dragons who aren't that bad most of the time 01:35 i guess i always got lucky in the past and didn't think it was a problem 01:35 <@carlarc> i never give a second thought to converting altars 01:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law), 189 points, T:701, killed by a coyote 01:36 <@carlarc> it has rarely failed me, but i admit im not fully confident with my own reckless altar conversion non-strategy 01:37 trolls can "just" be tinned if you get a tinning kit, otherwise corpse disposal can be inconsistent 01:38 last-bite revivals, pets whose stomachs are suddenly full or else non-carnivorous, no lockable container to shove them in... 01:39 dragonbane's utility against dragons themselves is good but it's also a reflection source on its own 01:39 <@carlarc> agreed, but i don't think lugging around a 120 aum morningstar is a viable alternative personally 01:40 <@Shadow_Rider> Wonder if being able to offhand banes would make things more interesting 01:40 <@carlarc> you could change the weight and skill/weapon and it might be worth it, but it wouldn't be interesting i think 01:40 <@carlarc> in dnethack you can offhand ogresmasher to get 25 str/con 01:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1237 01:41 already sorta alluded that most artifacts become 'interesting' through adding another related and useful secondary 01:41 e.g. trollsbane's "troll-style" regen 01:41 <@carlarc> to me, the banes are a creative dead-end that yes, while they could be given passive abilities to make more competitive, a more interesting alternative, though of course significantly more complicated to put in, is to replace them with artefacts that have some other, more interesting and less specific gimmick. problem here is this is just ideas guying and saying 'hey replace 10 out of like 35 artifacts in the game with a completely new and interesting 01:41 and balanced item', and that's not happening 01:41 <@carlarc> i just wanted to point it out 01:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law), 194 points, T:189, killed by a bear trap 01:42 [hdf-us] [evil] Mosh (Bar Gia Mal Cha) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Set, on T:27104 01:42 <@carlarc> the regen stuff is very cool yeah 01:42 <@carlarc> wait does this come across as me complaining because i just got trollsbane 01:43 <@carlarc> i hope not 01:43 <@Shadow_Rider> Lol 01:43 <@Shadow_Rider> If balanced is what one is looking for nethack probably isn’t the best roguelike for that 01:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law), 266 points, T:404, killed by a falling rock 01:45 it depends on what you think constitutes balance really 01:46 (I say this while somewhat agreeing) 01:50 [hdf-au] [nh370] Moult (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3080 01:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1211 01:51 better literate than dead :) 01:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law), 652 points, T:1239, killed by a giant mimic 01:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1154 01:59 [hdf-au] [nh370] Moult (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1124 points, T:3515, killed by a soldier ant 02:00 so i have 25 max hp. a single soldier ant can hit 2d4 bite + 3d4 sting. looks like i got instakilled. that's pretty unlucky. 02:01 would a more experienced player have known that a soldier ant can instakill at 25hp and simply run away? 02:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] Umbire (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:13274 02:01 <@carlarc> a more experienced player would have died 02:01 <@carlarc> !lastgame moult 02:01 @carlarc: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/M/Moult/nethack/dumplog/1640401086.nh.html 02:02 <@carlarc> you should consider playing as humans or something instead of elven wizards 02:02 <@carlarc> i think humans have more starting con so they get more hp? 02:02 Soldier ants are trouble regardless 02:02 <@carlarc> oh yeah you went up soko stairs and instantly got killed 02:03 hindsight and all but you want to scare them off if you have no other known recourse 02:03 <@carlarc> that's just real unfortunate 02:03 because idk how much of your inventory you had ID'd at that point 02:03 <@carlarc> wait what's this unused wand of wishing doing here 02:04 hadn't got anything useful IDed i believe. 02:04 because idk how much of your inventory you had ID'd at that point 02:04 * Umbire coughs 02:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) endured an absurd aquatic ceremony, and now wields Excalibur, on T:1892 02:04 <@carlarc> look yeah i did get the implicit meaning 02:04 carlac i'm playing explore mode :) because i'm a softie 02:04 <@carlarc> i just always engrave-test un-IDed wands 02:04 <@carlarc> oh do you spawn with the wish wand? 02:04 ...wait, if this was an explore mode game, then why sit on the wand... 02:05 <@Shadow_Rider> Soldier ants kill pretty much all roles early 02:05 <@carlarc> so he could continue games that died to something that felt unfair, i think was the reason? 02:05 <@carlarc> not that i disagree 02:05 because i want to treat it like a normal game, except i save every other level, so it's less permadeathy and more like a traditional game where you can restore from a checkpoint 02:05 <@Shadow_Rider> Gotta use wimp strats 02:05 <@Shadow_Rider> Scare and run 02:05 <@carlarc> You fall into a pit! The spikes impale you! The spikes were poisoned! The poison was deadly.. 02:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:2118 02:06 so for example i'm now replaying from my last save which was when i first entered sokoban 02:06 <@carlarc> i dont think you could've done much of anything to save yourself from that unfortunate soldier ant personally 02:07 <@carlarc> however, i'm seeing a ||enchant armor|| scroll, you could've used that to buff your damage reduction if you had it identified 02:07 <@Shadow_Rider> Elbereth is strong 02:07 Shadow_Rider the ant instakilled me as soon as i went up the stairs 02:07 <@Shadow_Rider> You wanna use it as soon as you see them tho 02:08 <@Shadow_Rider> Oh rip 02:08 <@Shadow_Rider> Did you know it was there previously or did it spawn on that exact turn 02:08 cool, a little wiser, a little spoiled :) let's see my next death. i must say it's more relaxing to play on explore mode. one feature i really like is ctrl-X to see your current stats and resistances. i tend to play on and off so i forget 02:09 In general you wanna try getting your AC up ASAP 02:09 shadow_rider i knew it was there, but i thought i could climb the stairs and engrave immediately, given that i had max health (25hp) 02:09 guess i was wrong 02:09 all wrong and a bag of chips 02:09 <@Shadow_Rider> Gotcha 02:09 <@Shadow_Rider> The poison will deal extra damage 02:09 which is why you want to get AC up ASAP 02:10 you generally don't wanna rely on tanking unless you have that 02:10 (and/or are maybe a dwarf) 02:10 even if it doesn't prevent that specific death, improved AC goes a long way 02:10 <@Shadow_Rider> Whoa you made it soko with 25 max health 02:10 and in that role's case might be worth sacrificing a bit of early spellcasting freedom 02:11 i've always struggled with finding armour 02:11 Shadow_Rider - is that odd? i do that a lot 02:11 <@Shadow_Rider> Idk if consider that extremely low even by crazy people standards 02:11 Making it to soko isn't that difficult per se, it's a bit down to Oracle placement 02:11 "The boulder falls into the pit. Muffin yowls! The boulder hits Muffin!" <-- sorry muffin :( 02:12 and you might find yourself doing that anyway for early food 02:12 Shadow_rider in this game soko is dlvl 6. so not very deep? 02:12 <@Shadow_Rider> Fair enough 02:12 oh, am i playing dangerously? 02:12 <@Shadow_Rider> Though the deeper you go the more likely you run into stuff like soldier ants 02:13 That + Soko generation is a bit tougher 02:13 <@Shadow_Rider> You’ll learn from experience more than anything 02:13 ^ 02:13 <@Shadow_Rider> Honestly playing explore mode like you are is probably a good idea for new players 02:13 <@Shadow_Rider> Wish I would’ve tried that 02:13 Still, in some cases it's viable to rush Soko for the first floor stuff, then figure it out from there 02:13 like say, as a human Rogue 02:14 a few years ago, playing normally (i.e. no explore mode), the deepest i ever got was orcus town with an elf wizard 02:15 but that was an outlier. most games i play without explore mode i tend to die before the mid-game. i finish soko, minetown, and sometimes mines end. but then die before i get to the quest 02:16 i notice usually before the quest there is a lull period where its too difficult to keep diving, and i spend a lot of time going back and forth between stashes trying to ID things, bless things, and consume useful things 02:16 <@Shadow_Rider> Elf wizard is prolly one of the harder combos so that’s still good 02:17 <@carlarc> im significantly better at the game than i was 2 years ago, for some reason 02:17 <@Shadow_Rider> Difficult in what ways? 02:17 <@carlarc> as in i took a 2 year long break 02:17 <@carlarc> not 'i played for 2 years and somehow im good now' 02:17 so i figure this year (i play once a year) i'm going to try explore mode and just play it without the "YASD" post-mortem depression 02:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:4255 02:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Bigroom, on T:4650 02:27 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Val Hum Fem Law) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:7476 02:27 not taking the deaths hard is part of the process 02:27 learning from experience sometimes means taking a header or two 02:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:5724 02:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:5862 02:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Woman-at-arms, on T:5865 02:34 [hdf-au] [nh370] Moult (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3472 02:42 Umbire i'll get there someday :) 02:45 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed Croesus, on T:24210 02:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:7469 02:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law), 85403 points, T:7507, killed by a giant mummy 02:49 <@910rd> !lastgame HastyGlord 02:49 @910rd: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/H/HastyGlord/nethack/dumplog/1640415100.nh.html 02:57 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:24845 03:03 <@carlarc> incredible 03:03 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/924210733363892314/unknown.png 03:05 carlac is that vanilla nethack? 03:08 <@riker> evilhack i think? 03:08 <@riker> there's only like 3 variants that have monster riding monsters 03:08 <@carlarc> yea 03:08 <@carlarc> racial soldiers don't exist in 370 too 03:10 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Val Hum Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:10976 03:11 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Val Hum Fem Law) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:10985 03:11 [hdf-au] [nh370] Moult (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:4467 03:11 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Val Hum Fem Law) chose an elven broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:11004 03:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law), 169 points, T:455, killed by a gas spore's explosion 03:25 Muffin the cat - hill orc slayer. 03:26 -!- zhakupov has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1386 03:41 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1102 points, T:1161, killed by a dwarf 03:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed fixed greased +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:2324 03:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) endured an absurd aquatic ceremony, and now wields Excalibur, on T:3209 03:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3508 03:57 -!- rebatela has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:02 -!- fakepass has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:5381 04:06 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 04:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Woman-at-arms, on T:5737 04:11 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Val Hum Fem Law) had Grayswandir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:14986 04:18 -!- zhakupov has joined #hardfought 04:31 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Val Hum Fem Law), 55704 points, T:16125, killed by Yeenoghu 04:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:7803 04:42 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:8458 04:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "2 cursed scrolls of genocide", on T:8461 04:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Warrior, on T:8490 05:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:9110 05:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:9113 05:22 [hdf-eu] [nh370] nurdglaw (Arc Dwa Mal Law) entered a shop, on T:3451 05:34 -!- Guest41 has joined #hardfought 05:34 -!- Guest41 has quit [Client Quit] 05:36 [hdf-eu] [nh370] nurdglaw (Arc Dwa Mal Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a crude dagger on an altar, on T:4270 05:39 -!- arahael has joined #hardfought 05:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] Dirge (Pri Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:26926 05:47 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:12 [hdf-au] [nh370] Moult (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) murdered Muffin II, his faithful lynx, on T:8049 06:12 hmmm :( 06:14 [hdf-au] [nh370] Moult (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 7921 points, T:8145, killed by a warg 06:18 swift karma 06:19 i deserved it 06:19 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 5397 points, T:3092, killed by a dwarf 06:24 [hdf-au] [nh370] Moult (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 2991 points, T:5687, killed by a panther 06:26 loading ttyrecs from URLs works now 06:26 each time i have to add stuff to the 'interface' (which is an euphemism right now), it pains me more 06:28 playing around in explore mode, i've now just died twice in the final sokoban level from a previous save checkpoint in the previous level. i'm starting to get the feel that i can recognise the signs when my character is starting to struggling in his encounters. 06:29 nice! 06:29 when i start to recognise this sign, what's the appropriate strategy? go back to already explored dungeons in search for more item drops for reducing AC? as well as kill easier mobs to boost my XP? 06:29 what is your current route? are you going sokoban first, or do you visit minetown before? 06:29 i went straight to sokoban 06:30 right 06:30 your suggested strategy sounds good 06:30 keep in mind that you could also just retreat to heal your HP 06:31 stenno: except that my max HP is 33 which doesn't take me very far. i do a lot of retreating and waiting, and let my pets kill as much as possible 06:32 right 06:32 maybe consider going to minetown first 06:32 ok i'll try go back and explore the mines for a bit 06:32 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 06:32 yes 06:32 but that will be a task for tomorrow. enough hacking for tonight :) 06:32 i recommend to go no deeper than minetown for now, and come back to the lower mines once you have magic resistance 06:32 ok 06:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] SrinivasSamJespe (Tou Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Excursionist, on T:4972 06:36 https://stenno.github.io/ now can download from URL 06:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] SrinivasSamJespe (Tou Hum Fem Neu) became literate by reading a book, on T:5777 06:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] SrinivasSamJespe (Tou Hum Fem Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:6055 06:52 i guess there's always a qualitative experience where you learn "oh, my character seems to be struggling a bit, let's rethink instead of adventuring future" 06:53 but is there also some quantitative guides? like HP, xplvl, or AC expected at various dlvls? 06:54 not really... from my own experience, i am usually XL 5 to 6 after finishing minetown 06:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] SrinivasSamJespe (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 3880 points, T:8349, killed by a dwarf 06:55 this also depends on your roles starting gear 06:55 for a tourist, AC:4 might be good after minetown, but for a valk, its usually AC:0 after obtaining mithril and other armor 06:56 -!- Semilg has joined #hardfought 07:00 [hdf-eu] [nh370] torpedovariant (Arc Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2531 07:01 [hdf-eu] [nh370] torpedovariant (Arc Hum Fem Law), 1310 points, T:2560, killed by a Woodland-elf 07:08 stenno: do you typically go minetown first? 07:08 yes, almost exclusively 07:08 Any logic to it? 07:09 i want the tools and armor from the mines, and i also want to visit the shops in minetown to get a magic lamp or similar asap 07:10 What's the magic lamp for? Light or djinni? 07:10 djinni wish, yes 07:11 however there are also players who go sokoban first to get the prize and the wands/rings, its really a matter of preference 07:11 but i think minetown first is the 'standard' strategy 07:13 this is why orctown tends to be so disappointing, minetown is a big reason i go into the mines in the first place! 07:25 -!- Terexen has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:35 -!- zhakupov has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:41 [hdf-eu] [nh370] torpedovariant (Arc Hum Fem Law), 828 points, T:2385, killed by a dwarf 07:51 -!- spicyCebolla has joined #hardfought 07:53 [hdf-eu] [nh370] wangpang (Rog Hum Mal Cha) murdered YipYip, his faithful little dog, on T:769 07:56 -!- zhakupov has joined #hardfought 08:02 -!- rebatela has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:03 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 08:15 [hdf-eu] [nh370] torpedovariant (Arc Hum Fem Law), 623 points, T:1083, killed by a straw golem 08:22 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:26 merry xmas hardfought people 08:27 !coffee 08:27 * Beholder throws rebatela a cup of cafe latte, acquired by the /dev/null/oracle at 132 degrees Fahrenheit. 08:27 !booze 08:27 * Beholder hands rebatela a pint of grappa, fermented by Arsinoe at 85 degrees Fahrenheit. 08:27 grappa D: 08:27 discusting 08:27 yeah i think i'm good with the grappa... a little seagrams vo in my coffee tho ;) 08:28 i thought we were talking polymorph with that guy on here, but it was #nethack.. people don't usually chat over there. i had to run back here so i could comfortably be a jerk 08:29 i have noticed an influx in discussion in #nethack recently 08:34 when i used to hang in #nethack there was a fair amount of discusssion 08:34 maybe it was me 08:34 before #hardfought took off, it was the normal place to discuss everything 08:35 i remember meeting you there 08:35 you were grumbling about the nerfed elbereth 08:35 sounds like me 08:35 i thought you were around in the community for a long time now 08:36 this implies that you only joined after 3.6? 08:36 when 3.6 was released, yes 08:36 surprising 08:36 kinda always regarded you as part of the inventory 08:36 heh 08:37 before that i played 3.4.3 on a server with a few friends enough to ascend all roles twice 08:38 i see, nice 08:38 but that was back in 2005 or something 08:38 i was playing on NAO since 2010 08:38 2008? can't recall 08:38 i had one offline ascension before, and then never played offline again 08:40 well you inspired me to prove i was better than you thought ;) 08:40 :D 08:41 you told me that you were better than me 08:41 lmao! 08:41 which you are but i didn't take it lying down 08:41 well nowadays you are better than me, i am sure 08:42 with all your superb variant playing 08:42 well i have a different opinion on what that means now, and so i would say maybe in some ways 08:43 i consider yourself to be better by quite some metrics, including asc ratio and z-score 08:43 you* 08:43 consistency 08:43 thank you. those are actually the areas i worked on 08:44 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 08:44 z-score is funny. malor is shooting up the ranks playing just dnh and ndnh 08:44 malors output is insanity 08:45 yes he plays a mad something a lot (whatever that is) 08:45 i can't get into dnh 08:45 i was rank 3 on overall z-score for a very long time, even after i took years of break 08:45 but now people play much more variants 08:45 well that's thanks to k2 08:45 can't really sit back and laugh at others anymore 08:46 yes 08:46 thanks to HDF, k2 and Tangles 08:46 aye 08:49 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Val Hum Fem Law), 228 points, T:933, killed by a large mimic 08:51 oh wow i see you are rank 2 in overall z-score now, thats amazing 08:53 stroller is rank 11 overall just by playing vanilla exclusively 08:53 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 08:54 yeah that's a lot of vanilla 08:55 3.4.3 vanilla 08:55 no longer active :( 09:00 one of the legends for sure 09:11 [hdf-us] [un] hothraxxa (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:41845 09:11 i remember you both from nethack too 09:12 it seems shunned to talk about varirants there though. I think that's part of why people chat more here 09:13 talking about variants is fine and ontopic in #nethack, but the #hardfought channel is much better for that 09:13 so if somebody asks a question about a variant i usually just refer them to #hardfought, maybe i shouldn't :P 09:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] SkydiveMike (Tou Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Excursionist, on T:3798 09:15 [hdf-us] [un] hothraxxa (Kni Hum Fem Law) performed her first genocide (arch-liches), on T:41958, rt[1 day, 0:55:09] 09:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] SkydiveMike (Tou Hum Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:3971 09:16 i'd refer them because you have a much better chance of getting help here 09:18 yes, my thinking exactly 09:19 but its kind of a tautology right 09:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] SkydiveMike (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 2012 points, T:4189, killed by a watch captain 09:23 morning! merry christmas! 09:23 gzip decompression is now optional 09:23 gonna deploy 09:32 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law), 877 points, T:602, killed by a gnome lord 09:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] SkydiveMike (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 478 points, T:2400, killed by a giant bat 09:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 865 points, T:1676, killed by a gnome 09:40 deployed optional gzip to stenno.github.io 09:41 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 2148 points, T:1013, killed by a coyote 09:41 [hdf-eu] [nh370] torpedovariant (Bar Orc Fem Cha) destroyed SrinivasSamJespe's ghost, the former Excursionist, on T:2691 09:41 merry christmas 09:44 merry xmas 09:46 [hdf-eu] [nh370] torpedovariant (Bar Orc Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3310 09:51 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Val Hum Mal Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon him by Tyr, on T:6489 09:54 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Val Hum Mal Law) had a pair of iron gauntlets entrusted to him by Tyr, on T:6743 09:56 oh damn i wanted to use semantic commit messages but forgot halfway through 09:56 now i have occasionally sematic commit messages 09:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 426 points, T:1906, killed by a little dog, while praying 09:57 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2804 09:59 anybody that uses semantic commit messages or anything ideologically similar and doesn't do it through some abstraction to enforce it should reconsider everything 10:00 like, 'chore' and stuff 10:00 talking about https://www.conventionalcommits.org/en/v1.0.0/ 10:00 how would an abstraction look like? 10:00 [hdf-eu] [nh370] torpedovariant (Bar Orc Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:6076 10:01 you have to select the type from a drop down 10:01 or something similar 10:01 and are prompted to fill in the other parts 10:01 ok fair 10:01 something to eliminate as much human error as possible and streamline and check it as much as possible 10:01 good point, right 10:02 like whats the point of having a structured commit message if you arent gonna take all the advantage you can of it 10:03 just realized i can have custom issue labels 10:07 next thing i will work on is to polyfill DecompressionStream 10:13 [hdf-eu] [nh370] torpedovariant (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 13923 points, T:8257, killed by a Woodland-elf 10:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] zhakupov (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had Frost Brand bestowed upon him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:24575 10:17 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 3699 points, T:3189, killed by a dwarf 10:22 grrrr i hate that you can't wrest a wand of wishing in unnh 10:22 you can i know but chances are slim and none 10:23 i like that in unnethack, you don't actually need that many magical wishes 10:26 really, really like its magical/nonmagical wish system 10:27 its possible in unnethack because you get so much stuff from the extra branches 10:28 i need to get a magic harp somewhere, and i always want to ascend with carl the woodchuck so there's two magical wishes i need usually 10:29 mm aw 10:29 the castle wand is 1:2 in this game 10:30 i don't mind the wish system at all i just hate that you get only one shot at wresting the wow 10:31 i always bless the wand and i don't recall ever wresting another wish out of one 10:32 the whole wresting system is a bit strange 10:32 i mean the ability to wrest at all 10:33 i've had at least one awkward wrest 10:34 i used to break empty wands 10:34 then a wand of lightning wrested when i broke it. oops 10:34 same thing happened with me and a wand of polymorph 10:35 hah. what happened? 10:35 well, i got polymorphed 10:35 <@carlarc> lmfao 10:35 and i think that cost me the game 10:35 i think it was in a broadcasted speedrun even 10:35 ouch 10:36 actually it was during tnnt last year 10:36 'this almost never happens' actually means 'it will happen eventually' 10:36 <@carlarc> wresting hundreds of times only to automatically hit a invalid key to engrave again and turn your wand to dust anyways 10:36 murphy's law 10:37 i like that fourk has made wresting take way fewer turns 10:37 we should really discuss if wresting makes sense at all 10:37 i dont really think it does 10:38 not really 10:38 so, get rid of it altogether? or get rid of it for wands of wishing especially? 10:38 altogether i'd say 10:38 agreed 10:38 i think i've tried wresting something other than a wow maybe twice 10:39 yep 10:39 i recall wresting a wand of undead turning once to get my pet back 10:39 its also one of those nethack gotcha moments 10:39 hah, nice 10:39 that's a race 10:39 <@carlarc> i like the way i think fiq and evilhack do it where it's a 1 in 6 chance to get a wrest and it dusts otherwise, though it has the downside of disintegrating your wand if you dont know it has 0 charges 10:40 i probably wrested a polywand once in one of my super-low resource runs 10:40 [hdf-us] [xnh] every (Ran Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1 10:40 evilhack does that? is that new or is it just my memory is going? 10:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] SkydiveMike (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 231 points, T:591, killed by a gnome lord 10:44 <@carlarc> maybe mine is 10:44 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/924326717139583036/unknown.png 10:47 hothraxxa its been in evilhack for a lil while now 10:47 i pulled it from unnethack 10:48 K2: have you considered dropping wresting altogether? 10:48 no 10:48 why not? 10:49 because wresting a wand is cool 10:49 i like that there's an off chance you get one more use out of it 10:50 wouldnt getting rid of wresting be a nerf? 10:50 yes 10:51 you would get one less wish 10:51 but its a silly mechanic 10:51 [hdf-us] [dnh] phaperplane2 (Cav Hum Fem Neu) killed Crone Lilith, on T:170534 10:51 its more nethacky to have a chance of happening 10:51 firstly its a 'gotcha' moment, secondly it invites for spamming 10:51 yeah sure, i see that 10:51 its very nethacky 10:51 well unnethack/fiqhack/evilhack wand wresting isnt spammy at all 10:52 you get *one* extra chance, either it works or it doesnt 10:52 its better than vanilla, yeah 10:53 ok i have to think more about this 10:53 early in evilhack development, some things I would make absolute. bhaak taght me that lesson, it's (most times) better for things to have a chance for different outcomes 10:53 K2: have you seen, stenno.github.io now has optional gzip decompression and loading from URLs 10:53 i saw what you had yesterday, is this new for today? 10:53 *taught 10:54 yes, its new from today 10:54 SWEET 10:54 trying it out 10:55 still requires modern chrome 10:56 i have that 10:56 [hdf-us] [dnh] phaperplane2 (Cav Hum Fem Neu) killed Naome, on T:170673 10:56 hmm i doesnt decode games that use IBMgraphics 10:56 it 10:56 -!- zhakupov has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:57 oh really 10:58 can you give a link with ibmgraphics? 10:58 https://hdf-us.s3.amazonaws.com/ttyrec/k/k2/evilhack/ttyrec/2021-12-25.03:28:06.ttyrec.gz 10:58 oh i see 10:59 you get the question mark thingies 10:59 [hdf-us] [dnh] phaperplane2 (Cav Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Belial, on T:170784 10:59 i will create an issue regarding that 10:59 si 10:59 Started loading, please wait... 10:59 i think i can fix that 10:59 does this change? 10:59 it should 11:00 but maybe i messed up, the whole interface is very brittle 11:00 does this autodetect dimensions? 11:00 how did that happen? 11:00 yes it does, but it might take a while 11:01 the 'load' button next to the play/pause button is for file uploads 11:01 everything might break if you just click it 11:01 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mad Hum Mal Neu) wished for "2 cursed scrolls of genocide", on T:30608 11:01 oh 11:01 hahah 11:01 the frontend is very hacked together, its already noted in an issue 11:01 i will rewrite it with react SSR 11:01 this is why you need a window-licker like me to help beta test it 11:02 yes, thanks! 11:02 please lick all the tasty windows 11:02 i'll find the stuff that needs to be explicitly stated :P 11:02 but check existing issues first 11:02 https://github.com/stenno/onlinettyplay/issues 11:02 <@carlarc> accidentally getting invisibility has not been very good for altar farming 11:02 also feel free to create issues yourself! 11:02 <@carlarc> is there any non-wrapping way to remove it 11:03 gremlins can probably steal it? 11:03 carlarc, first off - how did you become invis? 11:03 ^ important 11:05 stenno, this is *awesome* 11:05 great job 11:05 love it 11:05 <@carlarc> i don't remember :( 11:05 its still WIP 11:05 but i am already really glad how it turned out so far 11:05 apart from the autoresizing :P 11:05 <@carlarc> i wouldnt have done so intentionally 11:06 [hdf-us] [dnh] phaperplane2 (Cav Hum Fem Neu) killed Fierna, on T:171222 11:07 autoresizing is very messy right now, i use two different terminal libraries at the moment 11:07 carlarc - most sources of invis are temporary 11:07 like spell/wand of invis 11:07 or eating a stalker corpse 11:07 <@carlarc> that is a very long temporary then 11:07 stepping on a magic trap, that's perm invis 11:07 <@carlarc> ...maybe? 11:07 stepping on a magic trap can also take it away 11:08 stenno you'll get there 11:08 yes 11:08 i am confident 11:08 bet you're elarning a couple new things from this experience 11:08 *learning 11:08 also lots of things i have still planned 11:08 yes! 11:08 \o/ 11:08 with node-ansiparser i can easily (tm) implement vt_tiledata support 11:08 <@carlarc> i'll keep it in mind if i see any magic traps ty 11:09 and then we get a new world of things 11:09 cool 11:09 like searching for items on the ground, in the inventory, in messages etc 11:09 so stenno, example (type in a username) 11:09 https://www.hardfought.org/nethack/ttyrecs/nh36x-37x-hdf-us/ 11:09 what i'd like to try, is the main link, loads your ttyrec player 11:09 yes 11:10 :o 11:10 the (dl) link allows you to just d/l the file 11:10 but please, its all in beta and WIP 11:10 i got ya 11:10 ok 11:10 so, you want to pass a ttyrec link over the url? 11:10 i can parse the url fragments i guess 11:10 when you feel it's ready, we can pick one page to set it up that way 11:10 sure 11:11 if you run it on hdf, you can also do your CSP more strict again 11:11 yeah 11:11 but honestly, does it need to be? 11:11 the only public s3 buckets I have are for ttyrecs 11:12 don't think it has to be, but maybe someone more knowledgable with server security can answer that 11:12 * K2 nods 11:12 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mad Hum Mal Neu) was given their Quest, on T:31656 11:12 also it might be that you can craft ttyrecs which do nasty stuff 11:13 even though there is probably not that many nasty things to do 11:13 i assume you can do xss here 11:14 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Sam Gia Fem Law) had a pair of low boots entrusted to her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:35064 11:14 but as its serverless, it shouldn't be an issue much? 11:15 its def. something to keep in mind 11:15 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:15 i didn't put any emphasis on security 11:16 :) 11:16 this ultimately ought to be run on hdf 11:16 and a link to it from some page 11:16 so i can go to hdf and find my ttyre c 11:16 and click to watch it 11:16 ^ that 11:17 for now i have no clue how to circumvent xss with maliciously crafted ttyrec 11:17 it should be possible 11:17 and then you can run scripts on the domain and steal cookies maybe? 11:18 i will create an issue regarding this with help wanted 11:19 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mad Hum Mal Neu) killed Doctor Archer, on T:31910 11:19 ok i will be intereseted 11:19 have you looked at how nao does web based ttyrec playback? 11:19 where is the xss happening? 11:20 in the terminal renderer? 11:20 Demo: i don't know yet, i have to see how the parsing works 11:20 yes 11:20 ok 11:20 i just assume its possible 11:21 is there a demo link? 11:21 https://github.com/stenno/onlinettyplay/issues/23 11:21 Demo: stenno.github.io 11:21 lol it renders to a canvas 11:21 well i do a few things with the output 11:21 omgomgomg - https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/25/world/james-webb-space-telescope-launch-scn/index.html 11:22 also i want to go away from the canvas thing, this will come once i have dropped xterm.js 11:22 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 11:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] SkydiveMike (Tou Hum Fem Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:4027 11:22 at the moment, all the output stuff is quite tightly coupled to xterm.js which is bad 11:23 if it is just rendering to a canvas it is unlikely that there is an xss venu via links to specially crafted ttyrecs but not impossible 11:24 how do i get it to auto resize? 11:24 i will drop this at some point in favor of node-ansiterminals export functions 11:24 Demo: it should automatically do it, but it might take a lot of time 11:24 the carlarc ttyrecs will have the correct dimensions at about 500 frames in 11:25 its really hacky for now 11:25 it will be better once i dropped xterm.js 11:25 the resizing issue is still opened because of that, i am really not happy with the solution 11:32 [hdf-eu] [nh370] ansic (Sam Hum Fem Law), 600 points, T:1273, killed by a wand 11:32 K2: i have looked at the NAO thing 11:33 cool 11:33 [hdf-us] [un] woodstea23 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:11527, rt[2:19:55] 11:33 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:34 [hdf-us] [un] woodstea23 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:11598, rt[2:20:22] 11:35 -!- medium_cool has joined #hardfought 11:35 it should be possible to do xss on NAO 11:35 maybe i will do an excourse and investigate that tonight 11:36 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:36 the way it works on NAO is strange, you can actually request single ttyrec frames from the server 11:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] SkydiveMike (Tou Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Excursionist, on T:5685 11:40 also you can pass arbitrary urls to the request params 11:42 https://alt.org/nethack/trd/trd.js https://alt.org/nethack/trd/naoterm.js are the relevant files 11:43 [hdf-us] [un] hothraxxa (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered the Dragon Caves, on T:43797, rt[1 day, 3:22:49] 11:44 i think you can enable debug mode via get params 11:44 so that would be the first attempt 11:45 -!- medium_cool has quit [Quit: My Mac Mini has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 11:46 -!- zhakupov has joined #hardfought 11:50 [hdf-eu] [nh370] ansic (Cav Gno Mal Neu), 952 points, T:2283, killed by a baby yellow dragon 11:51 <@carlarc> wow this is so neat 11:51 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/924343663847424060/unknown.png 11:51 <@carlarc> (hothraxxa's game) 11:51 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:51 <@carlarc> is it a unnethack thing or a curses thing 11:52 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:53 its unnethack, the showweight option 11:53 <@carlarc> damn 11:54 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 11:54 carlarc other variants have showeight also 11:55 xnethack, splicehack, evilhack, slash'em, dnethack (I think?) 11:55 <@carlarc> not evil 11:55 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/924344677463908442/unknown.png 11:55 <@carlarc> there's invweight 11:56 same thing 11:56 <@carlarc> but i was pointing out the thing where it says all the weight in a specific item category 11:56 ah 11:56 well way to one up everyone bhaak 11:56 oh! 11:57 <@carlarc> lol 11:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 2895 points, T:1824, killed by a dwarf 11:57 -!- winny has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] zhakupov (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had Dragonbane bestowed upon him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:29436 12:01 [hdf-us] [xnh] every (Ran Elf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Trailblazer, on T:3347 12:03 -!- winny has joined #hardfought 12:07 yeah that looks like a much more dangerous implementation 12:08 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mad Hum Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:32533 12:09 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:09 yep 12:10 <@carlarc> dangerous? 12:10 @carlarc regarding the hs tty player on NAO 12:10 nao's ttyrec player 12:10 <@carlarc> oh ok 12:11 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:11 i already experimented a bit with it but didn't put much energy into it 12:12 will do this tonight most likely 12:12 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Sam Gia Fem Law) had Sunsword bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:35669 12:12 ttyrec rickroll when 12:13 -!- medium_cool has joined #hardfought 12:13 oh holy shit 12:13 https://alt.org/nethack/trd/?file=https://alt.org/nethack/userdata/D/Demo/ttyrec/2021-12-25.17:11:58.ttyrec 12:13 :D 12:13 nice one 12:14 check out debug mode 12:14 didnt think it was that trivial 12:14 i am off for now, bbl 12:16 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:18 [hdf-eu] [nh370] ansic (Ran Hum Mal Cha) murdered Sirius, his faithful little dog, on T:969 12:19 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:19 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 355 points, T:849, killed by an iron ball collision 12:21 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 134 points, T:458, killed by an iron ball collision 12:21 [hdf-eu] [nh370] ansic (Ran Hum Mal Cha), 409 points, T:1167, killed by a bolt of fire 12:25 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 420 points, T:1165, killed by tumbling down a flight of stairs 12:27 -!- medium_cool has quit [Quit: My Mac Mini has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 12:27 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mad Hum Mal Neu) became the Envoy of Balance, on T:33437 12:28 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Con Ith Fem Cha), 235 points, T:480, killed by a fox 12:33 -!- fakepass has joined #hardfought 12:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] zhakupov (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had Fire Brand bestowed upon him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:31288 12:34 [hdf-us] [xnh] every (Ran Elf Fem Cha) reached Minetown, on T:4116 12:34 [hdf-eu] [nh370] ansic (Bar Orc Mal Cha) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Set, on T:1423 12:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Ran Elf Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:19853 12:38 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed Aphrodite, on T:26167 12:39 [hdf-us] [xnh] every (Ran Elf Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:4463 12:39 [hdf-us] [xnh] every (Ran Elf Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a copper pyramidal amulet on an altar, on T:4467 12:41 [hdf-eu] [nh370] ansic (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 782 points, T:1903, killed by Juiblex 12:41 !lastgame ansic 12:41 nabru: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/a/ansic/nethack/dumplog/1640452918.nh.html 12:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Val Dwa Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:34223 12:44 <@carlarc> lmao 12:45 <@carlarc> thats unfortunate, they hit juiblex when he was peaceful 12:47 [hdf-eu] [nh370] ansic (Val Hum Fem Neu) murdered big dog, her faithful little dog, on T:404 12:50 [hdf-eu] [nh370] ansic (Cav Hum Fem Neu), 10 points, T:62, killed by a water moccasin 12:56 [hdf-eu] [nh370] ansic (Cav Gno Fem Neu), 266 points, T:1397, killed by a hobbit 12:58 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:58 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 2048 points, T:1233, killed by a gnomish wizard 12:59 [hdf-eu] [nh370] ansic (Sam Hum Fem Law), 251 points, T:697, killed by a gnome 13:02 [hdf-eu] [nh370] pescepalla (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 302 points, T:659, killed by a jackal 13:04 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 13:08 wow 72 degrees on Christmas 13:09 makes me want solar pis that I fuz dnh on 13:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] zhakupov (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had Werebane bestowed upon him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:37306 13:12 [hdf-eu] [nh370] ansic (Sam Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1668 13:13 [hdf-eu] [nh370] ansic (Sam Hum Fem Law), 1875 points, T:1735, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted watch captain 13:15 [hdf-eu] [nh370] torpedovariant (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2956 13:16 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:16 [hdf-eu] [nh370] torpedovariant (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered a shop, on T:3019 13:17 [hdf-eu] [nh370] torpedovariant (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:3090 13:18 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased +2 dragonbane", on T:29550 13:21 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mad Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Lich, the Fiend of Earth, on T:36702 13:22 [hdf-eu] [nh370] pescepalla (Arc Hum Mal Law), 2232 points, T:1255, killed by a gnome 13:23 [hdf-eu] [nh370] torpedovariant (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1541 points, T:3320, killed by a gnome mummy 13:23 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mad Hum Mal Neu) killed Axus, on T:36873 13:24 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Singhend (Ran Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Reconnoiterer, on T:10052 13:25 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mad Hum Mal Neu) destroyed the Arsenal, on T:37089 13:27 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Singhend (Ran Elf Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:10125 13:28 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2023 13:34 [hdf-us] [evil] carlarc (Pri Ith Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:54060 13:35 [hdf-eu] [nh370] ansic (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 4 points, T:79, killed by a jackal 13:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] Dirge (Pri Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:29855 13:44 [hdf-eu] [nh370] ansic (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 417 points, T:1649, killed by a kobold zombie, while frozen by a floating eye's gaze 13:45 [hdf-us] [gnoll] Abdlabl (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 963992 points, T:33422, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Abdlabl/gnollhack/dumplog/1639466003.gnoll.txt 13:46 GG 13:46 Nothing to kick on this fourth floor of Soko, which is fine 13:48 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed Ashikaga Takauji, on T:32336 13:48 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:32338 13:48 -!- Sgeo has joined #hardfought 13:49 [hdf-eu] [nh370] ansic (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 32 points, T:535, killed by a grid bug 13:49 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 13:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:35936 13:52 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) completed her quest without incident, on T:32951 13:53 [hdf-eu] [nh370] pescepalla (Sam Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2840 13:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "uncursed magic marker", on T:36129 13:54 [hdf-eu] [nh370] ansic (Val Hum Fem Neu), 168 points, T:679, killed by a wand 14:00 Demo: found anything else? 14:00 [hdf-eu] [nh370] torpedovariant (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3292 14:00 no lol i threw up in the bushes like an hr and a half ago not even sure why 14:00 walked around in the sun for like an hr afterwards 14:01 oh, hope you feel better soon 14:01 [hdf-eu] [nh370] torpedovariant (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:3424 14:01 bad christmas food? 14:02 ate a lot of cookies maybe 14:02 hah 14:03 idk if anything it got me outside to realize that hmm its 72 out maybe i should enjoy this before i have to brave jan,feb cold hell 14:03 maybe it was the curse of NAO 14:03 [hdf-eu] [nh370] torpedovariant (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1838 points, T:3647, killed by a werewolf 14:03 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 14:03 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 14:09 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed Cerberus, on T:37270 14:10 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Sam Gia Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:37299 14:12 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:13 -!- nurdglaw has joined #hardfought 14:16 [hdf-us] [xnh] every (Ran Elf Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:8071 14:17 [hdf-eu] [nh370] pescepalla (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:4839 14:19 [hdf-eu] [nh370] nurdglaw (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 1350 points, T:5289, killed by a giant spider 14:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1814 14:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] Umbire (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:16567 14:29 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 14:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) read a Discworld novel, on T:2661 14:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 3007 points, T:2872, killed by a blast of frost 14:32 !lastgame nabru. 14:32 nabru: No last game for nabru.. 14:32 !lastgame nabru 14:32 nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/nethack/dumplog/1640368671.nh.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/slashthem/dumplog/1632523371.slth.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/nethack4/dumplog/2020-08-11%2011%3A15%3A06%2C%20Testin%27-Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu%2C%20died.txt 14:39 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 14:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Ran Elf Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:23258 14:45 -!- zhakupov has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:45 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:48 [hdf-eu] [gh] mobileuser (Arc Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed ring of free action", on T:44154 14:49 <@carlarc> is there a tracker for per-player ascended conducts? 14:50 [hdf-us] [un] hothraxxa (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered Vlad's tower, on T:47580, rt[1 day, 6:29:27] 14:52 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 14:53 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 14:55 carlarc: something like this? https://nethackscoreboard.org/conduct.nh.html 14:56 [hdf-eu] [nh370] pescepalla (Sam Hum Fem Law), 8527 points, T:7632, killed by a leocrotta 15:00 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Ran Elf Fem Cha) consulted the Oracle, on T:23766 15:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1242 15:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 749 points, T:1288, killed by a lizard 15:05 [hdf-us] [un] hothraxxa (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Vlad the Impaler, on T:47885 15:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (mind flayers), on T:6656 15:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] Umbire (Val Dwa Fem Law) polymorphed her first item, on T:19039 15:10 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 15:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 4970 points, T:6716, killed by a jaguar 15:15 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] Umbire (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:20130 15:25 Let's fucking go, quest portal next to lawful altar 15:26 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 15:27 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Singhend (Ran Elf Mal Cha) had Orcrist bestowed upon him by Mars, on T:12584 15:35 hey bhaak, where's my water walkers? 15:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Ran Elf Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:25346 15:40 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 15:42 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Singhend (Ran Elf Mal Cha) had Trollsbane bestowed upon him by Mars, on T:12956 15:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:3397 15:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3487 15:56 [hdf-us] [un] hothraxxa (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered Sheol, on T:48855, rt[1 day, 7:35:56] 15:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] sluggoman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:3571 16:00 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:33296 16:00 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 16:01 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 16:01 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) had a pair of leather yugake entrusted to her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:33349 16:03 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mad Hum Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:40375 16:08 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:08 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Singhend (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 30111 points, T:15398, killed by a green dragon 16:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Ran Elf Fem Cha) was chosen to steal souls for the Glory of Mars, on T:25586 16:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:25668 16:23 [hdf-eu] [gh] mobileuser (Arc Hum Mal Neu) killed Asmodeus, on T:44763 16:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 111618 points, T:25673, killed by Yeenoghu, while paralyzed 16:26 [hdf-us] [un] lunatunez (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:34853 16:28 [hdf-eu] [gh] mobileuser (Arc Hum Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:44834 16:28 [hdf-eu] [nh370] nurdglaw (Arc Dwa Mal Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3291 16:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Swashbuckler, on T:36467 16:29 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 16:38 <@nabru> !lastgame petrakelly 16:38 @nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/P/PetraKelly/nethack/dumplog/1640359627.nh.html 16:39 <@carlarc> help! why isnt this working 16:39 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/924415967369519104/unknown.png 16:39 <@carlarc> oh my god dont let my image distract you from that incredible dumplog 16:40 <@carlarc> what even happened there? a marilith gated in juiblex and yeenoghu? what's a marilith doing in the town anyways 16:40 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 16:42 <@carlarc> oh the same race sac 16:44 [hdf-us] [un] lunatunez (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) killed Cthulhu, on T:35034 16:44 [hdf-eu] [gh] mobileuser (Arc Hum Mal Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:45115 16:47 <@carlarc> yeah, true, but that just makes me wonder what that poor player did to aggro the summoned demon lord 16:49 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 16:53 [hdf-eu] [nh370] nurdglaw (Arc Dwa Mal Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:3446 16:57 [hdf-us] [un] lunatunez (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:35300 17:00 <@Shadow_Rider> Looks like stormbringer accident 17:01 <@Shadow_Rider> Happens to the best of us 17:02 <@carlarc> classic 17:08 [hdf-us] [un] lunatunez (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) killed the invisible Juiblex, on T:35818 17:09 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mad Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:40662 17:14 -!- medium_cool has joined #hardfought 17:18 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:39490 17:22 -!- Semilg has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:23 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mad Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Daemon, on T:41180 17:24 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mad Hum Mal Neu) killed Glasya, on T:41236 17:24 [hdf-eu] [gh] mobileuser (Arc Hum Mal Neu) killed Orcus, on T:45500 17:26 if I polypile a bunch of dragonhide junk armor will it become different dragonhide armor? Or does the object material type change, too? 17:26 in evilhack 17:29 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) defeated Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:40211 17:34 [hdf-us] [un] lunatunez (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:36440 17:35 [hdf-us] [evil] carlarc (Pri Ith Mal Cha) made his first artifact wish - "blessed greased fixed The Ring Of P'hul", on T:57769 17:54 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 17:55 [hdf-us] [un] lunatunez (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) genocided weeping angels, on T:36636, rt[18:50:10] 18:03 [hdf-eu] [nh370] nurdglaw (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 1320 points, T:4935, killed by an orcish arrow 18:05 [hdf-us] [un] lunatunez (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed partially eaten chickatrice corpse", on T:36754 18:08 [hdf-us] [un] lunatunez (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) killed Famine, on T:36776 18:12 [hdf-us] [un] lunatunez (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) killed Famine, on T:36803 18:13 another day of dungeon diving 18:16 [hdf-us] [un] lunatunez (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) killed Death, on T:36847 18:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "marker", on T:9811 18:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:9814 18:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 490 points, T:1352, killed by a kobold lady 18:22 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:41718 18:24 -!- Bartol has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:25 [hdf-us] [un] lunatunez (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) killed Pestilence, on T:36918 18:30 [hdf-us] [un] lunatunez (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 1385362 points, T:36946, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/l/lunatunez/unnethack/dumplog/1639754262.un.txt.html 18:30 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) performed her first genocide (gray dragons), on T:42271 18:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Ran Elf Fem Cha) read a Discworld novel, on T:1356 18:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:10736 18:33 <@malor> Good job lunatunez 18:37 <@sweep> tyty (different handle same guy) 18:38 <@sweep> It got pretty dicey on the Plane of Fire, first ascension run in Unnethack so the portal finding was a little trickier lol 18:40 makes those crystal balls pretty valuable in the end game 18:40 nice work. 18:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Ran Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:2415 18:47 [hdf-us] [un] woodstea23 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a quivering blob, on T:14268, rt[2:47:01] 18:50 [hdf-us] [un] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Minetown, on T:1104, rt[0:09:46] 18:50 [hdf-us] [un] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:1145, rt[0:10:34] 18:58 [hdf-us] [un] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 3309 points, T:2065, killed by a plains centaur 18:58 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 19:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Ran Elf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Trailblazer, on T:4058 19:04 when i come across a dark mine level, should i use a candle to light it or is that wasteful? in general i've never used sources of light ever 19:04 I find candles to be... not enought 19:04 *enough 19:06 Candles are fine, could stand to last longer than they do 19:06 You'll prefer lamps/lanterns though, you want to be able to illuminate your path to the stairs at minimum 19:07 If you have a way to magically light your path, might be worth a scroll or some wand/spell charges 19:08 cheers, i don't have anything right now, but good to know. in the past i never used light 19:09 also, Moult the elven vacuum cleaner tends to literally pick up everything, and have a ton of un-IDs stuff. is it a good strategy to dump all non-IDed stuff in a stash until i am able to ID it? 19:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] PetraKelly (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 2048 points, T:4338, killed by a rothe 19:11 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] sickopsycho (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 128 points, T:682, killed by a kobold 19:18 Moult, yep 19:18 you don't want to be walking around burdened 19:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] Umbire (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Dragonbane bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:20792 19:18 also, stash it and at least identify if its blessed/uncursed/cursed on an altar 19:18 at least for armor/weapon it helps you triage stuff 19:21 nabru: cheers, i used an altar and stashed it just before the mines. i can't find a container so hopefully it won't go amiss 19:22 even a chest will do 19:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] Umbire (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Bigroom, on T:21098 19:22 Ain't that my luck 19:23 Now I just gotta lure 'em all up 19:23 [hdf-au] [nh370] Moult (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:6886 19:25 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Sam Gia Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed +3 oilskin cloth elven helm", on T:38910 19:30 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:45563 19:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] sickopsycho (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1225 19:35 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased +2 mithril large splint mail of decay", on T:45640 19:35 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased +2 dragonhide elven helm of telepathy", on T:45640 19:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1813 19:38 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed +2 sunsword", on T:45707 19:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] sickopsycho (Val Dwa Fem Law), 798 points, T:1652, killed by a wand 19:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at them by some watery tart, on T:2063 19:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) consulted the Oracle, on T:2178 19:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 3660 points, T:2198, killed by a water moccasin, while frozen by a potion 19:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] sickopsycho (Val Dwa Fem Law), 239 points, T:721, killed by a bat 19:51 !booze 19:51 * Beholder slides nabru a shot of the sauce, excreted by demogorgon at 214 Kelvin. 19:52 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mad Hum Mal Neu) was given Premium Heart, on T:41509 19:53 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed Mephistopheles, on T:39374 19:55 <@carlarc> evilhack: how do i open the hell drawbridge? 19:55 <@carlarc> also, i never saw any stairs down to the new branches 19:56 [hdf-au] [nh370] Moult (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered a shop, on T:6969 19:57 [hdf-us] [dnh] phaperplane2 (Cav Hum Fem Neu) became the Envoy of Balance, on T:173150 19:59 [hdf-us] [evil] Mosh (Bar Gia Mal Cha) had a pair of speed boots entrusted to him by Set, on T:32057 20:01 [hdf-us] [dnh] phaperplane2 (Cav Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Center of All, on T:173247 20:02 -!- nurdglaw has quit [Quit: Client closed] 20:04 -!- medium_cool has quit [Quit: My Mac Mini has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20:05 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mad Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:41640 20:05 Piece of shit cockatrice double tapped me lol 20:06 had to actually eat a whole lizard 20:06 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mad Hum Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:41679 20:06 Also if you mean Castle drawbridge, same as normal 20:06 If other drawbridges then standard stuff (wand of opening, knock, etc.) 20:08 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mad Hum Mal Neu) killed the elder priest of Moloch, on T:41829 20:10 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed Baphomet, on T:39771 20:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] sickopsycho (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1569 20:16 [hdf-au] [nh370] Moult (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:7215 20:18 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:40016 20:19 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 20:21 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mad Hum Fem Neu) entered the Planes, on T:42459 20:22 my elf wizard currently has a dwarvish mithril coat. no studded leather armour found so far, so i'm sacrificing spells (no magicbane yet) for AC. should i exchange it for a regular leather armour? 20:25 I would use leather armour 20:25 And try to kill monsters with spells or from a distance (e.g. daggers) 20:25 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mad Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Famine, on T:42548 20:25 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mad Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Center of All, on T:42548 20:26 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mad Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Death, on T:42572 20:26 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mad Hum Fem Neu) killed the high priest of Zo-Kalar, on T:42580 20:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] sickopsycho (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1662 points, T:2858, killed by a soldier ant 20:27 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mad Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Pestilence, on T:42593 20:28 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mad Hum Mal Neu), 5861880 points, T:42610, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/m/malor/dnethack/dumplog/1640282730.dnh.txt 20:32 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 20:32 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Val Hum Mal Law) destroyed NetSysFire's ghost, the former Jail-bird, on T:7498 20:33 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Val Hum Mal Law) destroyed the invisible nabru's ghost, the former Fighter, on T:7530 20:37 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Val Hum Mal Law) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:7758 20:40 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Val Hum Mal Law) had an axe entrusted to him by Tyr, on T:7840 20:42 [hdf-us] [evil] ligang (Val Hum Mal Law), 7377 points, T:7864, zombified by a diseased hobbit corpse, while helpless 20:50 [hdf-eu] [evil] Graznop (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:40961 20:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] sickopsycho (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3082 21:12 wew 21:12 second wand of death from a rat drop 21:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Yeenoghu, on T:38385 21:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:38891 21:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Val Dwa Fem Law) bribed Asmodeus with 66 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:39250 21:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Val Dwa Fem Law) bribed Baalzebub with 93 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:39980 21:51 * jonadab whistles guiltily. 21:52 Hi. 21:52 Hello Umbire, Welcome to #hardfought 21:54 nabru: cheers, will switch :) 21:55 if you can spare the weight theres also studded leather armor 21:56 NetSysFire: unfortunately i haven't got any 21:57 * jonadab whistles even more guiltily. 21:58 Something you wanna share with the class? 21:58 K2: just a quick heads up, to note that I finally did a thing. 21:59 A thing that breaks save compat, and changes the version number, on my master branch. 21:59 Merry Christmas, to all three people who play Fourk on public servers. 22:00 Unfortunately, I had to triage away to $nextversion several things I would've preferred to include, in order to make this happen. Not least, runics. 22:00 weee 22:00 Despite that, the list of changes the master branch just acquired, is not short. 22:01 I'm upgrading hdf-us here soon, I will probably hold up on the fourk update until after that's done. what's a few more days eh? 22:02 K2: Sure, it's your server. 22:02 it is? neat 22:02 :P 22:02 But people can stop saying I am dead :-) 22:02 just giving you an idea of when 4k will be upgrading on hdf 22:02 Ok. 22:02 *upgraded 22:03 Just please don't wait and do it a week before Junethack starts or something. 22:03 hah 22:03 no worries 22:04 it'll definitely happen in January 22:04 Ok, that should be alright. 22:04 Assuming anyone then _plays_ it, hopefully we can find the worst bugs before June. 22:05 * Cats won't deign to wade into water, because it's beneath their dignity. 22:05 hahah 22:05 oh you know hothraxxa will be all over this 22:05 Tangles has been playing 4k recently too 22:05 i'll also give it a spin 22:06 Oh, speaking of June, you will have a decision to make about how to handle unlocks for the tournament. There are three basic options: A) just let it ride, and people who have been playing the variant all along will have more stuff unlocked; B) for the Tournament, unlock everything for everyone; or C) at tournament start, reset everyone's unlocks to zero, and then either restore or merge them after. 22:06 We can discuss that in January or whatever. 22:06 I don't have strong opinions about how a tournament should handle such a thing. 22:07 ok 22:09 Also, I have here a package that reads, partly in Kana, "USA American Furaido,Potato". The package contains... shoestring potatoes, basically. 22:09 Not the _most_ Authentic American french fries I've ever had, but you know. 22:10 Not sure what better could be done in a bag-of-chips style package, honestly. 22:10 heh 22:10 how was your xmas jonadab? 22:10 Good. 22:11 nice 22:11 Still have a service tomorrow morning. 22:11 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:11 But the _main_ one was this past Sunday. 22:11 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 22:11 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 22:11 With, you know, the children's program and everything. 22:12 * K2 nods 22:12 we had a nice xmas here as well. low key, which I like 22:12 For some reason we have never gone out of our way to hold services on the 25th itself, unless it randomly falls on Sunday. 22:12 I mean, my family does the family gift exchange on the 25th, so there's that. 22:12 the church we went to when I was a kid, they held xmas service on xmas day, without fail 22:13 Yeah, I think that's very traditional. 22:13 Or some hold it on the 24th, in the evening. 22:13 i think ours did both 22:15 Hmm, I think there was one other person, besides the ones you mentioned, who has been playing Fourk lately. So with luck maybe four people will try it out in January. That should flush out the most egregious bugs into the open. 22:15 Any segfaults that reliably trigger for most players, etc. 22:16 I mean, I have done testing myself, but you always find more stuff when other players get their hands on it. 22:16 oh tell me about it :) 22:16 the real testing starts when it's live 22:16 Yeah. 22:17 Which is why I make a point of not merging new features in May. 22:17 -!- Sgeo_ has joined #hardfought 22:17 are you able to fuzz fourk? 22:17 Theoretically there's the NH4 testbench, but I haven't tried to use it lately. It's a little esoteric to get working. 22:17 hrm 22:17 I should *probably* try to do that, too, in January or February. 22:19 Before I start any of the junk I want to do for $nextversion. 22:19 -!- Sgeo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:19 fuzzing has helped significantly with evilhack development 22:19 You can probably use the 3.6 fuzzer? 22:20 The one paxed developed? 22:20 yes 22:20 Yeah, I don't fancy trying to adapt that for NH4. 22:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] desertgreg (Bar Orc Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:52501 22:21 i have slapped it on dnh 22:21 and slashe, 22:21 slashem 22:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] desertgreg (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (10 times), on T:52502 22:22 Demo: Yes, but those are still 3.x-based. 22:22 Some divergence, but not a complete UI rewrite. 22:23 yeah i havent slapped it on fh or nh4 22:23 I will try to get the NH4 testbench going again at some point. 22:23 did i put it on slex or did amy take my slashem one or is it even on slex? i forgot 22:23 The worst that happens is I waste some time and don't get it to work. 22:24 The basic UI for slex is not really changed much from Slash'EM. Apart from there being a gazillion more choices in the menus for character creation. 22:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 529 points, T:1329, killed by a gnome 22:25 Well, and the rolodex thing. 22:26 [hdf-us] [evil] Mosh (Bar Gia Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:35924 22:26 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 22:30 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed Cerberus, on T:49212 22:31 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mad Dro Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:3910 22:36 DecompressionStream is now polyfilled 22:36 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:49239 22:37 nice stenno 22:37 currently working on the IBMgraphics things 22:37 this will be a fun one 22:37 \o/ 22:37 all your CP437 are belong to us 22:38 i wish 22:38 [hdf-us] [dnh] phaperplane2 (Cav Hum Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:174394 22:38 i learned that DECgraphics and IBMgraphics work completely different 22:40 DECgraphics replaces the lowercase letters with symbols, and IBMgraphics adds symbols in 128-255 22:41 huh 22:42 VT100 actually use a DES code \x1b(0 to switch to 'DEC mode' and another code to switch back 22:43 which also means i cannot 'DECify' an ascii ttyrec in retrospect 22:43 however i can IBMify an ascii ttyrec 22:46 * stenno scrapes the table at https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/IBMgraphics#Symbol_list 22:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] desertgreg (Bar Orc Fem Cha) entered the Astral Plane, on T:53229 23:11 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mad Dro Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:7721 23:13 -!- spicyCebolla has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:20 [hdf-au] [nh370] Moult (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 6392 points, T:11517, killed by a coyote 23:21 at an aligned altar, i often wait for creatures so that i can get magicbane, and when i get hungry, i just pray. sometimes, this ends up using several thousands of turns and still no magicbane. is there a disadvantage to using all these turns, or just patience? 23:21 [hdf-us] [un] woodstea23 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) entered the Big Room, on T:21801, rt[4:27:49] 23:22 Patience and more-standard luck 23:24 cheers. because in adom for example using turns causes you to forget spells as well as have more background chaos 23:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] dpmdpm (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 1077 points, T:2455, killed by a giant ant, while sleeping 23:28 <@Shadow_Rider> Ideally you get food before saccing 23:30 Yeah, e.g., rushing Soko like I mentioned earlier 23:31 Get a nice little pile, set it by the altar, just move to it when you get hungry so you can stay unencumbered 23:43 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) had a spear entrusted to her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:54370 23:43 [hdf-us] [slth] dnd (Fla Dro Fem Cha), 12757 points, T:4823, quit 23:44 autoresizing might not work for IBMgraphics ttyrecs in a WONTFIX manner 23:44 i must be missing something, because i've sacrified about 20-30 corpses now without magicbane 23:44 i'm lucky, i can safely pray, and piously aligned 23:45 <@Shadow_Rider> I mean it happens 23:46 it is a 1/10 chance isn't it 23:47 <@Shadow_Rider> At that point yeah 23:47 <@Shadow_Rider> Note praying is going to reset the counter for getting gifts as well 23:47 You checked for bones? 23:48 Shadow_Rider, yes, but still...30 corpses, even if half were just resetting the counter 23:48 Umbire this is not a bones level, but why? 23:49 No, as in might you have loaded a bones level elsewhere containing the artifact already? 23:49 <@Shadow_Rider> Just a bit unlucky sounds like keep at it 23:49 It's not nearly as likely in this scenario, but it's a possibility to keep an eye out for 23:49 oh, i don't think so 23:50 <@Shadow_Rider> Magicbane is a pretty awesome artifact so expect to work for it sometimes :) 23:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:43149 23:57 [hdf-au] [nh370] Moult (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:15383 23:57 fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinally 23:58 T:15383... so basically half my game turns were spent trying to get magicbane 23:58 ~8,000 turns 23:59 <@Shadow_Rider> gratz 23:59 <@Shadow_Rider> step 2: don’t die