00:00 [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 375 points, T:883, killed by a jackal 00:04 [hdf-us] [evil] Cronos (Inf Ith Mal Una), 1706 points, T:2244, killed by a baby owlbear 00:06 -!- Chris_ANG has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:07 [hdf-us] [evil] Jason (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) destroyed the invisible Orion's ghost, the former Heretic, on T:7075 00:09 -!- ChrisANG has joined #hardfought 00:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] Glord (Arc Gno Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:8507 00:16 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Wiz Dop Fem Neu), 7774 points, T:3723, killed by Ms. Cannich, the shopkeeper 00:19 [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Con Orc Fem Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon her by Tymora, on T:4061 00:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] jesseb34r (Tou Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2011 00:23 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:26 [hdf-us] [xnh] yoleo531 (Sam Hum Mal Law) consulted the Oracle, on T:4979 00:26 [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Con Orc Fem Cha) murdered her faithful giant rat, on T:4265 00:31 [hdf-us] [xnh] yoleo531 (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:5333 00:42 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Wiz Dop Fem Neu), 1852 points, T:1994, killed by a bolt of fire 00:49 -!- Looksfar has quit [Quit: Looksfar] 01:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Kni Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:19393 01:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed bag of holding", on T:19476 01:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] dimsum (Pri Hum Fem Cha) became literate by engraving "hjkl", on T:3220 01:16 [hdf-us] [xnh] MrsCasaubon (Ran Gno Fem Neu) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:40478 01:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] dimsum (Pri Hum Fem Cha), 1432 points, T:3872, killed by a giant ant 01:27 [hdf-us] [xnh] yoleo531 (Sam Hum Mal Law), 6848 points, T:9472, killed by a tiger, while sleeping 01:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] dimsum (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 123 points, T:847, killed by a boulder 01:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] dimsum (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 22 points, T:145, killed by a sewer rat 01:54 [hdf-us] [evil] Jason (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 19532 points, T:10351, killed by a dwarf lord 01:54 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:55 [hdf-us] [xnh] MrsCasaubon (Ran Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed +2 shield of reflection", on T:41498 01:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] yoleo531 (Pri Elf Mal Cha) read a Discworld novel, on T:3390 02:06 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 02:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] yoleo531 (Pri Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Adept, on T:4267 02:12 [hdf-us] [xnh] MrsCasaubon (Ran Gno Fem Neu) attained the rank of Archer, on T:42301 02:16 [hdf-us] [dnh] bagun (Bin Hlf Mal Non) wished for "blessed rustproof +2 holy moonlight sword", on T:6264 02:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] yoleo531 (Pri Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:5048 02:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] yoleo531 (Pri Elf Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:5274 02:24 [hdf-us] [evil] Orion (Inf Ith Mal Una) rejected atheism by offering an iguana corpse on an altar of Issek, on T:5975 02:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Kni Hum Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:25309 02:42 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 02:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Croesus, on T:25911 03:01 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] yoleo531 (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 6170 points, T:8807, killed by a horse 03:02 [hdf-au] [un] PeachMuffin (Bar Hum Fem Cha), 232 points, T:680, killed by a magic missile 03:11 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 03:42 [hdf-us] [un] unnethfff (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 133 points, T:1016, killed by a sewer rat 03:50 [hdf-us] [un] unnethfff (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:1488, rt[0:08:07] 03:57 -!- cathartes has quit [Quit: fly away] 04:14 [hdf-us] [un] unnethfff (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:3822, rt[0:32:11] 04:26 [hdf-us] [un] unnethfff (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1558 points, T:4891, killed by falling downstairs 04:29 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Hea Eth Mal Neu) killed the Nightmare, on T:26074 04:30 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Hea Eth Mal Neu) destroyed Lich, the Fiend of Earth, on T:26131 04:36 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Hea Eth Mal Neu) killed the Kary, the Fiend of Fire, on T:26327 04:42 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Hea Eth Mal Neu) killed the Kraken, the Fiend of Water, on T:26701 04:43 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Hea Eth Mal Neu) killed the Tiamat, the Fiend of Wind, on T:26732 04:48 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Hea Eth Mal Neu) killed the Garland, on T:26891 04:48 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:53 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Hea Eth Mal Neu) wished for "blessed amulet of drain resistance", on T:26925 04:55 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Hea Eth Mal Neu) destroyed Chaos, on T:26943 04:58 sheesh Izchak, why do you have a hole instead of your door 04:58 it's not bones, and he doesn't cast a spell to repair it like when a dwarf digs through the wall 05:00 oh never mind, kobold with a wand of sleep 05:02 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Hea Eth Mal Neu) killed the Axus, on T:27710 05:04 Dwarves have a tendency to bust down doors 05:04 at least I assume it's a vanilla thing, I tend to see it in variants 05:05 -!- fakepass has joined #hardfought 05:06 the door wasn't busted down; there was no door, and a hole in the ground instead 05:06 and there were no dwarves in sight (except me) 05:07 lol on this level I found an oilskin sack (possibly cursed), then a plastic bag of tricks, then a plastic bag of holding 05:08 I have ALL THE BAGS 05:08 Oh is this xnh? 05:08 yes 05:08 then probably bones? 05:09 Have to check all the halls and shit 05:09 no, it wasn't bones, I went all over the level 05:09 absolutely sure? 05:10 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Hea Eth Mal Neu) killed the invisible Oona, on T:28264 05:10 -!- froggles has joined #hardfought 05:10 hm 05:10 unusual 05:10 99% sure (and can't check it now because the kobold with the wand of sleep killed me) 05:10 looked like an intact minetown, nothing missing from the shops, no spurious corpses and equipment lying around 05:11 that's one for later I suppose 05:12 argh! now I fell into orctown before I could handle a horde of orcs 05:13 all those wonderful bags wasted! 05:13 :( 05:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] pybit (Val Dwa Fem Law), 346 points, T:2200, died of starvation, while frozen by a floating eye's gaze 05:30 why do I get orctown 3 times in a row (and not the bones from the first time) #*$*&# 05:32 because the rng 05:32 !8ball does the rng hate raisse? 05:32 NetSysFire: Concentrate and ask again 05:32 * NetSysFire puts on the helm of brilliance 05:33 !8ball does the rng hate raisse? 05:33 NetSysFire: It is decidedly so 05:34 I knew that 05:34 but then I think it hates everybody indiscriminately 05:35 <@riker> !8ball do YOU love me beholder? 05:35 @riker: Most likely 05:35 <@riker> <3 05:35 awe, cutie 05:35 * Stella pats Beholder 05:36 inb4 Beholder gazes at Stella 05:39 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Hea Eth Mal Neu) killed the invisible Lady of Pain, on T:30095 05:41 <@riker> !8ball is stella groovy? 05:41 @riker: My sources say no 05:41 <@riker> f 05:41 Rude. 05:42 :c 05:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2095 points, T:3186, quit 05:42 <@luxidream> !8ball am I groovy 05:42 @luxidream: Yes definitely 05:42 guess i better quit my dancing dreams and stick to the day job 05:42 <@luxidream> 😎 05:43 * NetSysFire gives Stella a mood ring 05:43 did you wake up really early or are you still up from yesterday luxidream? 05:43 <@luxidream> I plead the fifth 05:44 <@riker> !8ball do I go to bed? 05:44 @riker: Concentrate and ask again 05:44 <@riker> its 6am I absolutely cannot concentrate sorry beholder 05:44 <@luxidream> !rng go to bed | continue to make bad decisions | do what I wanted to do anyway 05:44 @luxidream: do what I wanted to do anyway 05:44 <@riker> !8ball send help 05:44 @riker: Concentrate and ask again 05:44 <@luxidream> thank u beholder 05:45 <@riker> I literally just noticed luxis pfp is a pikachu with the death note 05:45 <@riker> not like, just reading a book 05:45 lol took me a while to spot as well 05:46 not long till nethackathon :) 05:46 <@riker> I use compact mode so like I never see it 05:46 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/885098831941873664/unknown.png 05:46 oh yeah im supposed to race in that and havent practiced at all 05:46 ripo 05:47 <@luxidream> oh no that's in like 2 days isn't it? 05:47 yeah, 2 days 7h 05:47 <@luxidream> I should probably check if I still remember how to play the gmae 05:47 <@riker> oh is that actually you luxi 05:47 you gotta take care of yourself or u will be tired on strim and nethackathon will be slightly less epic 05:48 <@luxidream> no that's the original image 05:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1679 05:48 <@riker> aw 05:48 luxi has a way better deathnote than that 05:48 <@riker> it kinda looks vaguely like what I remember you looking like 05:48 his is pink and has sparkles on 05:48 wtf the reddit discussion on gnollhack exploded 05:48 <@riker> money brings out the bazinga in everybody 05:48 <@luxidream> how dare you assume the color of my dream diary 05:48 * NetSysFire tosses a zorkmid at riker 05:49 <@riker> bazinga! 05:49 i was right tho wasn ti 05:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] pybit (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1476 05:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] pybit (Val Dwa Fem Law), 543 points, T:1484, killed by a watch captain 05:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "holy greased +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:1946 05:51 <@luxidream> it's black leather because I am boring and because I don't like glitter 05:51 whaaaaat 05:51 whos is the pink sparkly one then 05:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1916 points, T:1968, killed by a black unicorn 05:52 <@luxidream> I don't like glitter 05:52 <@luxidream> it's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere 05:53 yes thats why you get it on other ppl and dont allow it at you rown parties 05:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law), 187 points, T:466, killed by a boulder 05:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] pybit (Val Dwa Fem Law), 361 points, T:1414, killed by a manes, while fainted from lack of food 05:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1901 06:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3697 06:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1404 points, T:3839, killed by a water demon 06:10 [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Pri Chn Mal Law), 326 points, T:755, killed by a glass dagger 06:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1283 points, T:2964, killed by a gold golem 06:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1126 06:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law) endured an absurd aquatic ceremony, and now wields Excalibur, on T:2805 06:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:3258 06:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3571 06:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2210 points, T:3603, quit 06:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1046 06:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law), 727 points, T:1396, killed by a killer bee, while praying 06:36 https://www.reddit.com/r/nethack/comments/pk7im7/is_nethack_open_source_or_not/ oh no 06:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1728 06:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "holy greased +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:1931 06:46 raisse: if you have ALL THE BAGS you should give some to mobileuser who went all the way to the castle without so much as seeing one 06:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law) signified by divine providence, was chosen to carry Excalibur, on T:3210 06:47 * Umbire hangs up a sign pointing to a bucket reading "Donate to the Mobileuser Bag Security Fund" and heads to bed 06:47 o/ 06:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3527 06:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:3791 06:53 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 06:58 aosdict: I don't have them any more, the orcses have them 06:59 (not before I found yet another sack though) 06:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:5580 07:08 [hdf-us] [dnh] zor (Rog Dro Mal Neu), 2465 points, T:1623, killed by a dwarf 07:10 [hdf-eu] [fh] Semilg (Val Dwa Fem Law), 26070 points, T:1828, killed by a scroll of earth 07:11 * raisse puts 63 zorkmids in the bucket (all my gold atm) 07:12 [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Car Dwa Nbn Law), 88 points, T:696, killed by a jackal 07:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Woman-at-arms, on T:9106 07:18 -!- tungtn has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 07:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "holy ring of levitation", on T:9131 07:20 [hdf-us] [dnh] zor (Mon Bat Fem Law), 1966 points, T:1150, killed by a small crossbow bolt 07:20 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 8562 points, T:5979, killed by a gargoyle 07:21 -!- froggles has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:21 -!- froggles has joined #hardfought 07:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law), 44684 points, T:9622, killed by a xorn 07:33 <@FIQ> wtf is with this reddit post by patr: https://old.reddit.com/r/nethack/comments/pjnjv5/gnollhack_be_like/hbztn6s/ 07:34 <@FIQ> is there some fundamental misunderstanding going on here? 07:34 <@FIQ> (my issue is with his first statement, wrt NH not being open source) 07:36 FIQ I think it's because different people have different things in mind with the term open source 07:36 for some people it means public domain 07:37 I get the impression that's something similar to what patr has in mind 07:37 that thread is such a cesspool lol 07:39 [hdf-us] [slshm] post163 (Wiz Hob Mal Neu), 104 points, T:354, killed by a fox called Nick Wilde 07:48 <@FIQ> urgh someone mentioned noteye in backlog 07:48 <@FIQ> my experience with noteye is bad 07:48 -!- krm26 has joined #hardfought 07:49 <@FIQ> shitty term emulation thingy that doesn't even work right 07:49 <@FIQ> kinda like NH4's SDL version come to think of it 07:49 <@disperse (he/him)> Open source, the source code being shared with everyone, is distinct from the license with which it is shared. NetHack is open source in that it's source code is on github. But that doesn't mean you can make a derivative work and sell it. 07:49 K2: The recent GnollHack kerfuffle made me realize that I'd like to contribute something to defray hardfought operational expenses -- do you have some way for people to do that? 07:50 krm26: last time I offered K2 was like 'i will never accept donations sry' 07:50 <@FIQ> I got a donation to fh development once, I used it to buy a domain for it.. that I then forgot to make real use of 07:50 <@FIQ> I'm a bad person 07:50 I consider a work to be open source if the source code is publicly available and has an OSI approved license or is in the public domain 07:50 would be happy for K2 to change their mind about that 07:50 some people would probably try to axe the public domain part off that 07:51 Did everyone catch AmyBSOD's restrained but solid trolling of hardfought on reddit in that GnollHack thread? I laughed my butt off 07:51 <@FIQ> I didn't 07:51 <@FIQ> link? 07:52 "Woohoo, way to go Tommi and Janne. You're great, I'm sorry for treating you so badly in the past. But please tell me, why only for mobile ports? Shouldn't the version on the public server also allow us to resurrect our character on death for a small fee? Please consider adding that feature because it's so cool :-)" 07:52 https://www.reddit.com/r/nethack/comments/pjnjv5/gnollhack_be_like/hc0zo7l/ 07:52 lol yes 07:52 whether it's sarcastic or not I smiled at that 07:52 <@FIQ> how unpersoned does hdf consider amy to be 07:53 they also claim that soliciting one-time donations is illegal in finland so they can't use that to monetize gnollhack. that seems like a really weird law. any finns or FIQ know about this? 07:53 afaik not at all, it's just one-sided ranting in commit messages 07:53 <@FIQ> I'm not a finn 07:53 <@FIQ> but it wouldn't surprise me 07:53 <@Tone> That comment PatR was replying to said nethack was open source so people could use it for profit, I think they were using it in the same way (and why they put the term in quotes) 07:53 I know but you live near them 07:53 <@FIQ> fair enough 07:53 from googling it it sounded true aosdict 07:53 Their commentary is a bit scattered -- second language problem maybe -- but it isn't really clear to me if they want to monetize for a profit or defray some expenses 07:53 <@FIQ> but no I don't know anything about it 07:54 <@FIQ> I can sort of see why such a law would exist though 07:54 krm26: Who wants to bet that if they monetized gnollhack to the point where they broke even on their VA/art expenses, they'd say "ok good job everyone, we're shutting down the microtransactions now and giving everyone full access" 07:54 <@FIQ> reduces problems of donation scams 07:54 or whether they'd just keep the profits 07:55 They're a nonprofit, so I would be very surprised if they said anywhere they're seeking a profit. 07:55 Even if their goal was to make money, I bet they'd get a lot more success with a PayPal tip link on the site where people download binaries 07:55 aosdict: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_Collection_Act 07:55 <@FIQ> in my experience talking with them, gnh devs seem like good but misguided people 07:56 and an article from yle the national broadcaster 07:56 https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/finnish_police_examine_wikipedias_fundraising_activities/7077584 07:56 I haven't paid a lot of attention, but "young" was the first word that came to my mind 07:56 And yeah, I'm so old that that is slightly pejorative for me :-) 07:57 <@FIQ> the problem with gnh to me has always been that they simply just don't understand the community 07:57 <@FIQ> like, at all 07:57 they sorta kinda treat nethack like abandonware 07:57 <@FIQ> something like this debacle doesn't really surprise me 07:58 <@FIQ> aosdict: I always get the vibe when seeing them talk on public forums and whatnot that they act like a company 07:59 <@FIQ> this always disturbed me to some extent because companies have one universal endgame 08:00 [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Sam Gul Fem Law), 1557 points, T:1283, killed by a mutated ratman 08:01 <@FIQ> I remember a while back that I stumbled upon a google app which was basically a NH rip-off 08:01 The disconnect with the community is sort of the source of most of their problems 08:01 <@FIQ> I linked it here and in the gnh discord (since it was in the middle of me playing a gnh game) and one thing I noticed was the difference in response 08:02 if they popped in here and said "so we're thinking about adding microtransactions to go past level 10 and to buy extra lives", they'd get the message in a lot less messy manner than after they already added the code to do that stuff 08:02 <@FIQ> this place brought up concerns about potential license violation (which fizzled out; it seemed like a Pathos situation iirc but unlike Pathos, featured blatant cash-grabs and whatnot) 08:03 <@FIQ> meanwhile, the people on gnh discord also responded negatively, but it mostly had to do with the app's shittiness 08:03 <@FIQ> rather than the practices of it 08:03 morning 08:03 <@FIQ> basically they didn't seem to.. get it 08:04 Well, the license *does* permit commercialization; it is easy to read the license without "reading" the feeling of the community 08:04 <@FIQ> that's the main reason this new development doesn't surprise me at all 08:04 krm26 - thanks but no thank you. I wont accept donations 08:04 Damn you K2, I knew you would say that 08:04 :P 08:04 if they came here and suggested microtransactions to go past level 10 we'd tell them "don't ou fucking dare" 08:04 wanna know why? 08:04 you, even 08:04 no K2 we don't want to know why, we just want to throw dollar bills at you 08:04 <@FIQ> fwiw Nethack Legacy is a worse offense imo, at least gnh seems to intend to genuinely follow the license 08:04 You don't accept donations because hardfought is an NSA honeytrap 08:05 ssshhh 08:05 hardfought is actually an experiment to train an AI to play nethack 08:05 https://www.hardfought.org/phpBB3/gallery/image/2551/source 08:05 <@FIQ> I thought that was facebook's plan 08:05 <@FIQ> not K2's 08:05 [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Pri Elf Mal Neu), 58 points, T:189, killed by a jackal 08:05 facebook wants to train an AI to play nethack? why? 08:05 <@FIQ> hm I wonder if there has been developments on facebook's front 08:06 Nethack is a good target game for AI -- complex, text-based 08:06 <@FIQ> I really don't care for fb at all and their modus operandi is one of few things that truly invoke disgust in me 08:06 <@FIQ> but they have a cool AI project 08:06 <@FIQ> raisse: https://ai.facebook.com/blog/nethack-learning-environment-to-advance-deep-reinforcement-learning/ 08:06 they're a shitty company with a horribly toxic product, but they do have good research 08:07 facebook research is fairly separate, same with microsoft research 08:07 way back when hardfought was young and I was hosting FPS games like counterstrike and the like, I did accept donations, and back then I needed to. server costs werent cheap and I wasnt making as much disposable income back then. after awhile, a few people who had contributed a fair amount started demanding things 08:07 things like admin privs to kick whoever they liked, cheat codes, etc 08:07 i want to throw money and K2 and demand bobble hats 08:07 basically they wanted to do whatever they wanted and they felt entitled to it 08:07 <@FIQ> fb started as a way for a group of people to perv on girls 08:08 i stopped taking donations at that point and told myself i'd never do it again 08:08 <@FIQ> they starteed in a disgusting way and they never got any better 08:08 <@FIQ> they just got better at hiding it 08:08 So there is no way for me to buy the up up left right up down cheat code to one-shot Graz'zt 08:08 granted, the nethack community is WAY more mature than the FPS crowd, but i'm not ever going to set myself up for that to happen again 08:09 i prefer no drama :) 08:09 <@FIQ> 360 noscope 08:09 and yet, between amy being a closet pedophile and gnollhack devs trying to seel something that isnt theres... here we are 08:09 Heh 08:10 *steel 08:10 blah 08:10 2022 better be drama free 08:11 if not, I will pen a strongly worded letter 08:11 To be fair to Amy, I think it is unjust calling her a pedophile because of her game content. It seems like she has some personal issues that make her try really hard to be transgressive and trolly. You can see it in all sorts of non-sexual aspects of her game as well 08:12 sure, there's some neat content in slex. but that doesnt excuse the child porn bits 08:12 (not meant to be a defense of that) 08:12 i know 08:12 i gotchu boo 08:12 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Hea Eth Mal Neu) killed the Glasya, on T:34196 08:14 -!- Amythepariah has joined #hardfought 08:15 okay k2 that is going too far, i am *not* a pedophile. stop spreading that bullshit man 08:15 heya Amy, long time no see 08:16 yeah didnt plan to ever come back but if such a thing is being said about me... 08:16 <@FIQ> she lurks 4chan 08:16 i dont have to spread anything amy. all one has to do is look at the source code for slex 08:17 <@FIQ> most 4chan people seem to be like that from the little I've seen of it 08:17 GnollHack has a funding.yml file that seems to associate them with Sound Mind Games, a Finnish non-profit that helps people suffering from depression. Maybe 08:17 anything else amy? 08:17 what are you even talking about FIQ lol 08:17 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Hea Eth Mal Neu) killed the invisible Daemon, on T:34363 08:17 yes, I want my savegames 08:17 nope. those are gone 08:18 you motherfucker, okay now im outta here for real 08:18 -!- Amythepariah has quit [Client Quit] 08:18 * K2 sighs 08:18 and yes, I'm married and we have a kid together, so I guess technically that does make me a motherfucker 08:18 <@FIQ> amateurhour: sorry I was replying to krm26 08:18 \o/ 08:19 <@FIQ> I forgot that discord reply isn't visible on irc side 08:19 OK, I shouldn't pick at a scan, but how the heck did she just materialize like that? There must be a mole :-) 08:19 scab, not scan, apologies 08:19 <@nabru> she reads logs 08:19 she reads the public irc logs for this channel 08:20 you can tail the file and see whats said here in near real time 08:20 <@FIQ> and yes K2 08:20 that's sneaky 08:20 <@FIQ> please don't call people pedophiles 08:20 if the shoe fits... 08:20 <@FIQ> that's a very serious accusation 08:20 <@FIQ> and can get people's lives ruined 08:20 I think both of you are being bad fwiw, there's no point to stir up fighting (K2) or acting like we hate you when we don't (Amy) 08:20 and FIQ, this is also a hill you definitely do not want to die on 08:20 I wish she hadn't treated that whole event so dramatically -- I bet she would have actually enjoyed adding a compile-time flag to remove the suspect content from slex. Then she could always tell people about the edgier version you could play on your own machine 08:21 I'd be a lot happier if everyone would just stfu basically 08:21 <@FIQ> I repeat 08:21 <@FIQ> do NOT accuse people of that sort of thing without concrete proof 08:21 amateurhour yeah i'd like there to be zero drama too. that'd be great 08:22 FIQ - the proof is in her code. i didnt drop slex from hardfought just for the lulz 08:22 you really dont want to have this debate 08:22 <@FIQ> no I totally understand why you did it 08:22 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Hea Eth Mal Neu) killed the Cerberus, on T:34602 08:22 <@FIQ> but I'm almost certain she did it because it was socially deviant, more than anything 08:23 I mean, nethack and its variants are riddled with compile-time options and runtime options, by design you are supposed to let people pick and choose many bits 08:23 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Hea Eth Mal Neu) destroyed the Carmilla, on T:34651 08:23 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Hea Eth Mal Neu) destroyed the Mina Harker, on T:34653 08:23 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Hea Eth Mal Neu) destroyed the Vlad the Impaler, on T:34654 08:23 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Hea Eth Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:34654 08:23 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Hea Eth Mal Neu) destroyed the Ilona Szilagy, on T:34657 08:23 Not BOTH Vlad and *the* Vlad, oh no 08:23 haha 08:23 I suspect that was fixed in dnh but idk 08:23 I was wonderin whether there was a difference 08:24 <@FIQ> haha nice 08:24 <@nabru> a generic plastic imitation of Vlad the Impaler 08:24 <@FIQ> mina harker (and Carmilla I guess) has my favorite attack in the game for a pet 08:24 <@nabru> a vampire lord cosplaying as Vlad 08:25 <@FIQ> in dnh 08:25 <@FIQ> since it can cripple several bosses in the game 08:25 etherealoid in ndnh is really cool, I think it's my favourite variant addition 08:25 <@FIQ> rip the full healing pots all demon lords seem to carry 08:25 <@FIQ> (Mina Harker and Carmilla has a gaze item steal attack) 08:26 I never got the appeal of slex myself, from the outside it seemed like volunteering to play Calvinball with a particularly hostile Calvin 08:26 <@nabru> never got its appeal, either. feels like it's trying too hard to be too edgy 08:26 idk what calvinball is, but I did enjoy slex 08:27 <@FIQ> calvinball is a trope 08:27 <@FIQ> a fictional sport in a fictional universe whose rules are vaguely explained, if at all 08:27 edgy content aside, game balance wise it's a mess but there's not too many changes needed to make it generally playable 08:27 <@post163> !ping 08:27 @post163: Pong! 08:27 <@FIQ> !ping 08:27 @FIQ: Pong! 08:28 if it toned down a lil on the 'haha get fkd' it'd be pretty cool honestly 08:28 <@FIQ> unlike, say, Quiddits 08:28 -!- tungtn has joined #hardfought 08:28 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v tungtn] by ChanServ 08:28 <@FIQ> *Quidditch 08:28 <@FIQ> which is a legitimate game with fully explained rules 08:28 there's some neat side branches that are actually balanced (shout out to the space base and the town) 08:28 <@FIQ> if you want space base, play zapm 08:29 I have ascended zapm on a space marine and on a psion 08:29 :) 08:29 <@FIQ> I've ascended as a programmer 08:29 <@FIQ> not sure if I ascended anything else 08:29 <@FIQ> er maybe the role was called software engineer 08:29 <@luxidream> when I played zapm I start scummed until I found ridiculous movement implants then speed cheesed everything until I won 08:29 haha nice 08:30 psion was super easy if you got the imba attacking spells early and put all your skillpoints in them 08:30 <@FIQ> I have a very consistent strat for winning zapm 08:30 <@FIQ> survive until I find a tribble 08:30 tribble farming is boring though 08:30 <@FIQ> then do the zapm equivalent to pudding farming 08:30 <@FIQ> then win 08:30 <@FIQ> amateurhour: so is pudding farming 08:31 I didn't even play nethack when pudding farming was a thing, but I think I'd hate that too 08:31 <@FIQ> I generally don't use it unless I play tnnt 08:31 you can pudding farm in tnnt? isn't it 3.6 based? 08:31 <@FIQ> where I mostly just want to play NH but ascend a quick zapm game for the trophy 08:31 <@FIQ> no you misunderstand 08:32 <@FIQ> tribble farming is zapm's analog to pudding farming 08:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:21693 08:32 <@FIQ> but I generally don't tribble farm outside tnnt 08:32 <@luxidream> tnnt doesn't have zapm challenge 08:32 I definitely misunderstand because there's no zapm trophy in tnnt 08:32 lol 08:32 <@luxidream> maybe you were thinking of tribute tournament 08:32 <@FIQ> hm 08:32 <@luxidream> that's the last time I played zapm 08:32 <@FIQ> yeah then I'm thinking of /dev/null 08:32 <@FIQ> they were both on November 08:32 the tribute tournament was 2017 08:33 <@FIQ> the last time I actually tried to participate properly in a NH tournament before this junethack was 2017 08:34 <@FIQ> iirc I gave away my junethack info back in 2018 so ootc could manage the guild properly w/o my input (since I dropped out early) 08:34 luxidream did u sleep 08:34 <@FIQ> and didn't participate at all during 2019 and 2020 08:35 <@luxidream> what is sleep 08:35 sleep is a crutch 08:35 it's that thing you need to do so you're fresh for the nethackathon 08:35