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00:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Orion (Inf Gia Mal Una) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:4183
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00:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Orion (Inf Gia Mal Una) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4209
00:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Orion (Inf Gia Mal Una), 3078 points, T:4492, zombified by a hobbit zombie
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00:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] vor (Mad Dwa Mal Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2885
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01:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] cassiopeiastar (Val Hum Fem Law), 16730 points, T:8275, quit
01:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [gh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 11597 points, T:5418, killed by a human tourist
01:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] cassiopeiastar (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 115 points, T:843, killed by a newt
01:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Orion (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 2630 points, T:4513, killed by a Mordor orc
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01:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] RedArrow (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1373 points, T:795, killed by a pony
01:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3557
01:38 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] richards (Kni Hum Mal Law) entered a shop, on T:1650, rt[1:10:24]
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01:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1782 points, T:3701, killed by a hill orc, while dressing up
01:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 137 points, T:633, killed by an invisible gnome
01:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Orion (Bar Gia Mal Cha), 4112 points, T:5373, killed by an orcish spear
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02:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:46697
02:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Orion (Mon Hum Mal Neu) rejected atheism by offering a hobbit pickpocket corpse on an altar of Huan Ti, on T:3585
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02:36 <SixPack> ?emonster:marilith
02:37 <SixPack> @e?marilith
02:37 <Beholder> marilith (&) | Lvl: 7 | Diff: 11 | Spd: 12 | Res: fire poison drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 80 | Generates: gehennom | AC: -6 | Attacks: 2d4 weapon physical, 2d4 weapon physical, 2d4 claw physical, 2d4 claw physical, 2d4 claw physical, 2d4 claw physical | Alignment: -12 | Flags: seeinvis, poisonous, stalker, infravisible
02:37 <SixPack> Beefed up?
02:38 <SixPack> And what is it doing on level 8 altar convert?
02:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) killed Orcus, on T:47840
02:41 <mobileuser> evilhack? it could appear at any altar conversion.
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02:47 <SixPack80> Yep, I said that. As evil as Evil, there is still balance in a lot of ways.
02:48 <SixPack80> *As evil as Evil is,
02:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] vor (Mad Dwa Mal Law), 36494 points, T:9190, killed by a shark
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02:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Orion (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 4517 points, T:4948, killed by a white unicorn
02:57 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] vor (Mad Dwa Mal Law), 467 points, T:813, killed by a bat
03:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:48877
03:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:48953
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03:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] vor (Mad Dwa Mal Law), 2101 points, T:653, killed by a parrot
03:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] vor (Mad Hum Mal Law), 1340 points, T:751, killed by a rothe
03:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] jesseb34r (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1794
03:25 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] jesseb34r (Val Dwa Fem Law), 669 points, T:1843, killed by a hill orc called Baneogbaneu of Thosaibaneog, while fainted from lack of food
03:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Stardust (DeniedExistence) (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered the Sokoban zoo, on T:8481
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03:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] vor (Mad Dwa Mal Law), 2601 points, T:1297, killed by a parrot
03:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] jesseb34r (Val Dwa Fem Law), 482 points, T:719, killed by a newt, while frozen by a floating eye's gaze
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03:36 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Stardust (DeniedExistence) (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fireproof +3 boots of speed", on T:8637
03:36 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] vor (Mad Dwa Mal Law) wished for "Blessed +2 fixed Axe of the Dwarvish Lords", on T:206
03:39 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] greenbourne277 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) made her first wish - "the master key of thievery", on T:26945
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03:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] jesseb34r (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1959
03:57 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] jesseb34r (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1056 points, T:2057, killed by a rothe, while praying
04:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] jesseb34r (Val Dwa Fem Law), 468 points, T:1122, killed by a gecko, while frozen by a floating eye's gaze
04:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] vor (Mad Dwa Mal Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2866
04:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] jesseb34r (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1084
04:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] jesseb34r (Val Dwa Fem Law), 881 points, T:1143, killed by a hill orc called Baneoggor of Og-akhai, while sleeping off a magical draught
04:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Stardust (DeniedExistence) (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 Helm of Brilliance", on T:9217
04:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] jesseb34r (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1474
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04:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Stardust (DeniedExistence) (Kni Hum Fem Law) reached the bottom of the Mines, on T:10151
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04:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] jesseb34r (Val Dwa Fem Law) has been given Excalibur, and now enjoys supreme executive power, on T:2917
04:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] jesseb34r (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3517
04:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] pybit (Val Dwa Fem Law), 25 points, T:214, killed by a goblin
04:50 <bhaak> YANI: in variants where an empty bag of tricks can act as a sack, when being charged, instead of destroying the items, let them go into the inventories of the created monsters. maybe such that if you fill the bag with orcish helms and then apply it, you get orcs (by Muad)
04:52 <bhaak> Muad: that's not a bad idea (I have not destroying all items in a bag of tricks begin charged on my TODO but I wanted to go the "it regurgitates some items" route (rationale: it being to full or something like that) so that you'd have a similar effect as an exploding boh.
04:54 <bhaak> Muad: although the implementation of your idea could be a bit hairy. also what would happen if you empty the bag of tricks before all items are distributed? logically they would need to just be in the sack again. but that might complicate it even further. if we just leave the items in the charged bag of tricks (this should be "just work"[tm]), should we special case probing the bag?
04:55 <bhaak> but the idea of making the monsters from the bag of tricks more buffed by your previous items feels very nethacky
04:57 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Orion (Mon Gia Mal Law) had a pair of high boots entrusted to him by Shan Lai Ching, on T:2094
04:59 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [xnh] mobileuser (Cav Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:12204
05:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] pybit (Val Dwa Fem Law), 627 points, T:2240, killed by a rothe
05:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] pybit (Val Dwa Fem Law), 231 points, T:1443, choked on a food ration
05:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] jesseb34r (Val Dwa Fem Law), 5045 points, T:4667, killed by a dwarf zombie, while frozen by a floating eye's gaze
05:11 <rld> <@JesseB34R> does anyone know how to view my previous scores on hardfought?
05:11 <rld> <@JesseB34R> i want to see how a recent run stacked against others
05:12 <amateurhour> you can see your recent games on the nethackscoreboard
05:12 <amateurhour> https://nethackscoreboard.org/players/j/jesseb34r.nh.html
05:12 <amateurhour> idk if you can see your top games score-wise anywhere though
05:12 <rld> <@JesseB34R> oh sick. that at least is something
05:13 <rld> <@JesseB34R> thanks
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05:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] pybit (Val Dwa Fem Law), 529 points, T:1667, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted imp, while praying
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05:37 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Emilus85 (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 719 points, T:1615, killed by a giant mimic
05:42 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] xororand (Pri Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Adept, on T:3049
05:44 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Emilus85 (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 313 points, T:676, killed by an orcish arrow
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05:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:8470
05:47 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] xororand (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 2516 points, T:4336, killed by a gnome
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05:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law), 6574 points, T:8488, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted scorpion, while praying
05:49 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Emilus85 (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 188 points, T:479, poisoned by a rotted gnome corpse, while helpless
06:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at them by some watery tart, on T:2013
06:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:2267
06:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2438 points, T:3171, killed by a gargoyle
06:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law), 604 points, T:1367, killed by a werejackal
06:13 <Beholder> [hdf-au] [un] PeachMuffin (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 132 points, T:224, killed by a poisonous corpse
06:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1937
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06:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law) endured an absurd aquatic ceremony, and now wields Excalibur, on T:4412
06:32 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Emilus85 (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 591 points, T:2212, killed by a giant ant
06:36 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:5496
06:37 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law), 5033 points, T:5616, killed by an owlbear
07:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3320
07:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:3554
07:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Stardust (DeniedExistence) (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered the Rogue tribute level, on T:13285
07:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:5182
07:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:5432
07:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1717 points, T:5476, killed by a land mine
07:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Stardust (DeniedExistence) (Kni Hum Fem Cha) wished for "+3 blessed fixed helm of opposite alignment", on T:13967
07:38 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Gno Fem Cha), 452 points, T:1338, killed by a werejackal
07:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Verbal (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:2555
07:55 <K2> morning
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08:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Verbal (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3219
08:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Stardust (DeniedExistence) (Kni Hum Fem Law), 3663 points, T:2132, killed by a giant bat
08:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Chirurgeon, on T:51966
08:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Tou Hum Mal Neu) destroyed the invisible nabru's ghost, the former Fighter, on T:16070
08:13 <nabru> !whereis Pacra
08:13 <Beholder> nabru: [hdf-us] Pacra [evil]: (Tou Hum Mal Neu) T:15968 The Dungeons of Doom level: 9
08:14 <K2> he's got that sweet silver saber
08:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mad Swn Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:14858
08:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] richards (Kni Hum Mal Law) had Sunsword bestowed upon him by Lugh, on T:3255, rt[2:04:57]
08:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Emilus85's ghost, the former Cutpurse, on T:1315
08:30 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Stardust (DeniedExistence) (Kni Hum Fem Law), 6180 points, T:2727, killed by a dwarf king
08:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 4740 points, T:1613, killed by a homunculus
08:42 <rld> <@Pacra> it's really putting in work
08:43 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] pondlife (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:43522
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08:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] hothraxxa (Bar Hum Mal Cha) entered a shop, on T:1653, rt[0:19:28]
08:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Tou Hum Nbn Neu), 99 points, T:460, killed by a fox
08:55 <Hekik> k - a +0 copper splint mail of excellence
08:55 <Hekik> what makes it excellent?
08:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [gnoll] karibou (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 28564 points, T:16357, petrified by touching a cockatrice corpse bare-handed
09:00 <rld> <@Zefnar> It was recently buffed & oiled and now it gleams excellently, perhaps
09:00 <amateurhour> it boosts your charisma when worn or something
09:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1342 points, T:1714, killed by a crocodile
09:01 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] pondlife (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased +2 speed boots", on T:43646
09:04 <K2> Hekik, see https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/EvilHack#Object_properties
09:04 <K2> scroll down a bit
09:04 <K2> <something> of excellence, kind of an inside US military joke
09:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Cav Vam Mal Law) destroyed zor's ghost, the former Page of Wings, on T:898
09:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [gnoll] karibou (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 24 points, T:692, killed by a small mimic
09:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] hothraxxa (Bar Hum Mal Cha) entered Minetown, on T:2524, rt[0:41:04]
09:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Cav Vam Mal Law), 2333 points, T:1135, killed by a hill orc
09:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Stardust (DeniedExistence) (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered the Minetown temple, on T:4161
09:13 <aosdict> page lists drain resistance property as decay even though it is armor only >:(
09:14 <aosdict> the obj prop itself in the code is DRAIN_RES >:(
09:14 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Tou Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1977
09:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] hothraxxa (Bar Hum Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:2727, rt[0:50:22]
09:18 <K2> 'decay' is just a nickname
09:18 <K2> get over it :)
09:18 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Cha), 17561 points, T:7625, killed by a gargoyle
09:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mad Swn Fem Law), 89605 points, T:18740, killed by a shuriken
09:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Arc Ang Mal Law), 155 points, T:507, killed by a jackal
09:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] hothraxxa (Bar Hum Mal Cha), 1633 points, T:2873, killed by a bolt of cold
09:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] ripley (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 156 points, T:395, killed by a jackal
09:31 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 3535 points, T:3572, killed by a giant spider
09:32 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una), 3149 points, T:2664, killed by a jackal, while frozen by a monster's gaze
09:36 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] gargor (Arc Gno Mal Neu), 438 points, T:632, killed by a giant leech
09:41 <rld> <@Zefnar> TIL you cant cast spells if your strength score is 3
09:43 <NetSysFire> i found that out after i encountered an arch lich
09:43 <rld> <@Zefnar> eating corpses for !poi
09:43 <rld> <@Zefnar> also learned prayer doesnt fix str loss unless youre overtaxed 8)
09:44 <rld> <@Zefnar> had to wait around for another couple hundred turns , fortunately i had already placed a stash chest on the tile adjacent to an altar. not sure if the altar was necessary, but figured it couldnt hurt
09:48 <Hekik> oh wow, I didn't expect that to work. Threw a jackal corpse at a kitten, tamed it. Thought you could only do that with treats like tripe and meatballs
09:48 <Hekik> (or maybe that's an evilhack thing)
09:49 <K2> nope its vanilla behavior
09:49 <rld> <@Zefnar> ha!
09:49 <rld> <@Zefnar> street rat
09:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Zefnar (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) destroyed lurchy's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:5875
09:52 <rld> <@Zefnar> rip lurchy
09:52 <rld> <@Zefnar> thanks for the water
10:12 <NetSysFire> ahhh smoked lichen. my favorite
10:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] zor (Sam Clk Fem Law), 512 points, T:1017, killed by a gnome
10:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Tou Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a silver amulet of magic resistance, on T:19956
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10:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Zefnar (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 8384 points, T:6905, killed by an invisible chameleon imitating a golden naga
10:18 <rld> <@Zefnar> hm
10:20 <rld> <@Zefnar> rip me
10:25 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 1030 points, T:2308, quit
10:26 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Stardust (DeniedExistence) (Kni Hum Fem Law) were saved from death by your amulet of life saving!, on T:7663
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10:30 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] hothraxxa (Bar Hum Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:3792, rt[1:06:53]
10:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] meek (Val Hum Fem Law) consulted the Oracle, on T:2047
10:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] meek (Val Hum Fem Law), 753 points, T:2101, killed by a large cat
10:36 <rld> <@nabru> ! lastgame Zefnar
10:36 <Beholder> @nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/Z/Zefnar/nethack/dumplog/1629934026.nh.html
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10:38 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [un] wvc (Con Vam Fem Cha) entered Minetown, on T:3072, rt[0:48:18]
10:39 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [un] wvc (Con Vam Fem Cha), 2134 points, T:3127, killed by a watch captain
10:47 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [un] wvc (Con Vam Fem Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1677, rt[0:04:50]
10:51 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [un] wvc (Con Vam Fem Cha) entered Minetown, on T:2456, rt[0:08:50]
10:51 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una), 725 points, T:1467, killed by a hobbit pickpocket, while sleeping
10:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Stardust (DeniedExistence) (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered the Sokoban zoo, on T:9743
10:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Stardust (DeniedExistence) (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered the Sokoban zoo, on T:9743
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10:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 330 points, T:826, killed by a kobold lord
10:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Stardust (DeniedExistence) (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered the Sokoban zoo, on T:9743
10:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Stardust (DeniedExistence) (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered the Sokoban zoo, on T:9743
10:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Stardust (DeniedExistence) (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered the Sokoban zoo, on T:9743
10:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Stardust (DeniedExistence) (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered the Sokoban zoo, on T:9743
10:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Stardust (DeniedExistence) (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered the Sokoban zoo, on T:9743
10:56 <rld> <@Zefnar> beholder bot? you good?
10:57 <rld> <@Zefnar> !booze
10:57 * Beholder pours @Zefnar a barrel of grappa, distilled by NotTheOracle\dnt at 44 degrees Fahrenheit.
10:57 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] meek (Val Hum Fem Law), 436 points, T:1293, killed by a large mimic
11:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 300 points, T:564, killed by a grid bug, while reading a book
11:00 <Muad> huh, dropping a sack while held by an owlbear made some potions break, apparently those bears are really tall
11:01 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [un] wvc (Con Vam Fem Cha), 1944 points, T:3048, killed by a watch captain
11:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Stardust (DeniedExistence) (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered the Sokoban zoo, on T:9743
11:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Stardust (DeniedExistence) (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered the Sokoban zoo, on T:9743
11:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] meek (Val Hum Fem Law), 4 points, T:42, killed by a water moccasin
11:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Stardust (DeniedExistence) (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered the Sokoban zoo, on T:9743
11:06 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [un] wvc (Con Vam Fem Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1291, rt[0:04:22]
11:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Mal Law), 997 points, T:1915, killed by a flint stone
11:06 <K2> was its name Fred?
11:06 <qt> unbelievaa
11:06 <K2> Wilma perhaps?
11:07 <qt> unbeliavable*
11:07 <qt> to be cracking jokes in my time of sorrow
11:07 <qt> you are a very cruel person K2
11:07 <K2> hugs
11:07 <K2> there, all better
11:08 <qt> unbelievable, to act so serious when what I really need is a joke to lighten the mood
11:09 <K2> knock knock
11:09 <K2> c'mon... knock knock
11:10 <qt> who's there
11:10 <K2> qt
11:10 <qt> what an avant garde knock-knock joke
11:10 <qt> qt who
11:10 <K2> qt (Sam Hum Mal Law), 997 points, T:1915, killed by a flint stone
11:10 <K2> hahaha
11:10 <qt> lol
11:11 <K2> :P
11:12 <K2> totally added that to the nhqdb
11:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Stardust (DeniedExistence) (Kni Hum Fem Cha), 21690 points, T:14031, quit
11:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Stardust (DeniedExistence) (Kni Hum Fem Law), 13260 points, T:6972, quit
11:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Stardust (DeniedExistence) (Kni Hum Fem Law), 12153 points, T:9886, quit
11:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Stardust (DeniedExistence) (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered the Sokoban zoo, on T:9743
11:14 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [un] wvc (Con Vam Fem Cha) entered Minetown, on T:2743, rt[0:12:50]
11:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Mal Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:1377
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11:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Stardust (DeniedExistence) (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered the Sokoban zoo, on T:9743
11:19 <DeniedExistence> Hmm. I think I need some help
11:19 <K2> hiya DeniedExistence
11:19 <K2> wassup
11:20 <DeniedExistence> I have a fourk save that appeared to crash (and kicked me out to the variant selection), and does the same whenever I try to load it
11:20 <DeniedExistence> It even pings in here, watch
11:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Stardust (DeniedExistence) (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered the Sokoban zoo, on T:9743
11:20 <K2> oof
11:20 <DeniedExistence> but it just crashes back out each time
11:20 <K2> you able to see any error messages on the screen before you're kicked out?
11:21 <DeniedExistence> Nope, just a brief flash of what appears like the basic map
11:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mad Hlf Mal Cha), 12 points, T:209, killed by a sewer rat
11:21 <K2> hmm
11:21 <K2> one sec
11:22 <K2> can you do that again? want to see if it'll generate a coredump
11:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Stardust (DeniedExistence) (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered the Sokoban zoo, on T:9743
11:22 <K2> there we go
11:22 <K2> lemme process this real quick
11:23 <jonadab> I can't act on that right this moment, but I would be interested in seeing a backtrace, if such can be generated.
11:23 <jonadab> I get off work in about three hours.
11:23 <K2> yup no worries jonadab
11:25 <DeniedExistence> crash basically occurred upon stepping into the first zoo tile
11:25 <K2> jonadab - https://termbin.com/stey
11:25 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3660
11:26 <K2> DeniedExistence, in case you're unaware, jonadab is the fourk dev
11:26 <DeniedExistence> I am aware, didn't notice he was here
11:27 <K2> most of the variant devs hang out here
11:27 <DeniedExistence> neat
11:27 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una), 4095 points, T:3997, killed by a raven
11:28 <DeniedExistence> jonadab could it cause an issue if I play another save/new game for now?
11:28 <amateurhour> SIGFPE
11:28 <amateurhour> epic
11:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Mal Law), 3636 points, T:2717, killed by a vampire royal in bat form
11:28 <K2> DeniedExistence you could start a new game, but that same bug might express itself if the same conditions are met
11:29 <qt> is it a divide by 0 or something?
11:29 <amateurhour> yeah
11:29 <DeniedExistence> K2 it's the first time I've encountered it over a number of games, but if it does that would in theory give more information at least
11:29 <amateurhour> it's like waking up the zoo on the square you're on or something
11:29 <K2> yup. i'd say odds are low (first i'm seeing it)
11:30 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [un] wvc (Con Vam Fem Cha), 4649 points, T:4441, killed by an energy vortex, while praying
11:30 <DeniedExistence> amateurhour tfw so unstealthy you wake up the entire zoo at once ;-;
11:31 <DeniedExistence> damn is knight annoying tho, so easy to lose alignment from bumping monsters you aren't aware are in a 'fleeing' state
11:32 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] attie (Bar Orc Mal Cha) bribed Baalzebub with 1432 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:34051
11:34 <amateurhour> yeah for sure, that's really annoying
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11:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] hothraxxa (Bar Hum Fem Cha), 13077 points, T:7653, killed by a gargoyle
11:47 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Con Hum Mal Cha), 589 points, T:808, killed by a dagger
11:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Minetown, on T:1987
11:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Rune (DeniedExistence) (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1680 points, T:1262, quit
11:49 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Con Hum Mal Cha), 200 points, T:259, killed by a goblin
11:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Pri Gia Mal Neu), 2440 points, T:3314, killed by a killer bee
11:57 <jonadab> Oh, division by zero.
11:57 <jonadab> Yeah.
11:57 <jonadab> Apparently I did not think distance could be zero, and it is.
11:57 <jonadab> DeniedExistence: Playing another game should be fine.
11:58 <jonadab> Although, yes, if you get the same thing to happen, you could end up with two saved games waiting on the bugfix.
11:59 <jonadab> This *should* be straightforward to figure out how to fix, but I can't get to it for a couple of hours at least.
11:59 <K2> i'm just excited to see a fourk update :)
11:59 <jonadab> I mean, there have been updates on the bleeding-edge branch not _too_ long ago.
11:59 <jonadab> Less than a year ago, at any rate.
11:59 <jonadab> Not so much on the master branch, granted.
12:00 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una) had Secespita bestowed upon her by Moloch, on T:4395
12:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Ashikaga Takauji, on T:52912
12:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:52913
12:02 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Cha), 3596 points, T:3313, killed by a giant mimic
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12:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] zor (Bin Inc Fem Non), 15731 points, T:3170, absorbing too much energy and exploding
12:09 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Cav Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:30890
12:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:11536
12:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law), 5433 points, T:5207, killed by a barrow wight, while praying
12:12 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Cav Hum Mal Neu) destroyed WizzyTheWeird's ghost, the former Enchanter, on T:31230
12:13 <rld> <@ichbinmiah> huh.  bones on Asmodeus's level.
12:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:53332
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12:20 <rld> <@disperse (he/him)> I had the same thing in my rogue run, huge bones file on Asmodeus' level
12:20 <jonadab> DeniedExistence: You weren't riding a steed by any chance, were you?
12:20 <DeniedExistence> jonadab yes as a matter of fact I was
12:20 <rld> <@ichbinmiah> @disperse (he/him) I mean I'm not mad 😄
12:20 <jonadab> Hah.
12:20 <rld> <@ichbinmiah> more stuff
12:20 <jonadab> That's the trigger condition then.
12:21 <jonadab> Riding a steed into a zoo.
12:21 <jonadab> I'll fix the bug when I get home.
12:21 <rld> <@disperse (he/him)> I was kind of mad, I mean, I was done with inventory management and then had to go through a huge bag of holding's worth of stuff
12:21 <jonadab> Until then, if you're playing another game, don't ride a steed into a zoo.
12:21 <DeniedExistence> jonadab I'm fairly sure I've done so before and havent had any problems until now
12:22 <jonadab> Maybe you were stealthy?
12:22 <NetSysFire> i got a champion. ugh
12:22 <jonadab> Or otherwise didn't trigger the "disturb every monster in this zoo" code.
12:22 <jonadab> I think what's going on is, the zoo code is going "find every monster in this rectangle, and disturb() the monster.
12:23 <jonadab> "  And it runs into your steed, which is _on the same tile as the player_.
12:23 <jonadab> So disturb() gets a zero distance, and divides by zero.
12:23 <jonadab> The most obvious fix is to have disturb() check for zero and not divide by it.  Which is probably what I'll do.
12:25 <Hekik> another tile-based game project I worked on had an overloaded division operator specifically for distance effects
12:27 <jonadab> Interesting.
12:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] ripley (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 2240 points, T:3088, killed by a rothe
12:29 <Hekik> would return 1 (100%) at 0 distance, and also had a floor settable by constant. Was done for ranged attack hit accuracy, and the logic in this particular game was that if you can see it, you always have some chance of hitting it
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12:31 <Hekik> so if your hit_chance = weapon_acc / distance, it would treat everything past MIN_ACC_CAP tiles as the same distance
12:32 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] pondlife (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) genocided class L, on T:43959
12:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] icarus (Bin Orc Fem Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:4807
12:36 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Pir Hum Fem Cha), 1078 points, T:1430, killed by a gnome lord
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12:38 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Hea Hum Nbn Neu), 124 points, T:282, killed by a wand
12:38 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] hothraxxa (Bar Hum Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:2804, rt[0:34:28]
12:38 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] zor (Bin Orc Fem Non), 0 points, T:8, killed by a jackal
12:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [gh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 857 points, T:1185, killed by a dwarvish lord
12:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Car Dro Fem Neu), 993 points, T:411, killed by a jackal
12:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Rune (DeniedExistence) (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered the Minetown temple, on T:4158
12:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] hothraxxa (Bar Hum Mal Cha) became literate by engraving "test", on T:3267, rt[0:39:31]
12:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Zefnar (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2632
12:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Bar Inf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2944
12:50 <NetSysFire> @e?cauchemar
12:50 <Beholder> cauchemar (u) | Lvl: 7 | Diff: 10 | Spd: 24 | Res: poison | Confers: poison | MR: 0 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 4 | Attacks: 1d10 kick physical, 1d4 bite drain str | Alignment: -9 | Flags: genocidable, herbivore, infravisible
12:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Kni Hum Nbn Cha), 489 points, T:1926, killed by a rock mole
12:51 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una), 17104 points, T:10498, killed by a chameleon imitating a gray dragon
12:51 <NetSysFire> nooo that was a good run
12:52 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Con Hum Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:3090
12:52 <rebatela> i died like that the other day only it was a chameleon imitating a red dragon way out of depth 
12:53 <rebatela> not a whole lot you can do w/ chameleons sometimes 
12:57 <rld> <@Kes> I once had a chameleon come up to me while I was sleeping, turn into a mind flayer, and de-brain me. Chameleons are mean.
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12:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Magician, on T:15330
13:00 <rld> <@Zefnar> "The mordor orc's curved sword shatters from the force of your blow"
13:00 <rld> <@Zefnar> huh?
13:00 <aosdict> with high strength and 2-handed weapons you can sunder enemy weapons
13:01 <rld> <@Zefnar> i mean not that high, im an elf wizard heh
13:01 <rld> <@Zefnar> str 15 must be the threshold
13:01 <Hekik> which sucks when you're bashing a captain holding that sweet silver saber
13:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] whatever (Ran Hum Fem Cha) reached Minetown, on T:2985
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13:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Bar Inf Fem Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:4458
13:03 <aosdict> ok strength doesn't matter
13:03 <aosdict> it's a complicated conditional
13:03 <Umbire> Tied to two-handed weapons specifically iirc?
13:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] kalik (Tou Inc Mal Neu), 3198 points, T:650, quit
13:03 <aosdict> but the basics are: a 2-handed weapon that you are Skilled+ in, on a natural 19
13:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] whatever (Ran Hum Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:3135
13:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] whatever (Ran Hum Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 2 whatnots on an altar, on T:3139
13:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [gh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had a runed broadsword named Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:2888
13:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Bar Inf Fem Cha) destroyed zor's ghost, the former Trailblazer, on T:4805
13:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] whatever (Ran Hum Fem Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:3147
13:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] whatever (Ran Hum Fem Cha) entered a shop, on T:3190
13:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] disperse (Ran Gno Fem Neu) made her first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:41265
13:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] disperse (Ran Gno Fem Neu) wished for "2 cursed scrolls of genocide", on T:41265
13:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] post163 (Nob Inc Mal Law), 218 points, T:497, slipped while mounting a saddled pony
13:09 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] attie (Bar Orc Mal Cha) destroyed the invisible Vlad the Impaler, on T:35491
13:09 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] attie (Bar Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:35492
13:10 <rebatela> weird i found tinklebears bones in minetown, but he died outside a shop and a shopkeeper came and took his stuff? 
13:10 <rebatela> https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/t/tinklebear/evilhack/dumplog/1629962164.evil.txt
13:12 <rebatela> he died in the bottom left of the map. That's where the grave is, but his stuff is over in that shop on the right! 
13:13 <attie> I think that can happen if you owe the shopkeeper money
13:13 <attie> (you = the bones character)
13:15 <rebatela> ahh i see 
13:15 <rebatela> i vaguely remember something like that. thanks ! 
13:16 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una), 48 points, T:148, killed by a jackal
13:17 <rld> <@Zefnar> heh. pinned the unicorn. she literally refuses to move from this spot because she desont want to be in line of sight
13:17 <rld> <Zefnar> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/880501237282377778/unknown.png
13:17 <rebatela> they had dug pits all over the place and probably would have lived but got zapped with those wands and put to sleep first 
13:17 <attie> "Either the shopkeeper was angry at you, or you owed the shopkeeper more money than you had in your purse, or you owed the shopkeeper money and ended your game inside of that shopkeeper's shop."
13:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] hothraxxa (Bar Hum Mal Cha), 3469 points, T:4701, killed by a red naga hatchling, while frozen by a monster's gaze
13:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [gh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 10247 points, T:4317, killed by a gnomish king
13:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:16169
13:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] disperse (Ran Gno Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:42326
13:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Bar Inf Fem Cha) destroyed zor's ghost, the former Field Worker, on T:7774
13:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] yen0 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 898 points, T:2054, killed by an elf zombie
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13:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] disperse (Ran Gno Fem Neu) wished for "magic marker", on T:42625
13:28 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] attie (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed Orcus, on T:35764
13:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [seed] yen0 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed]
13:30 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Zefnar (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 7171 points, T:5227, killed by a crossbow bolt, while reading a book
13:30 <rld> <@Zefnar> oh,
13:31 <rld> <@Zefnar> yeesh
13:32 <rld> <@Zefnar> alright let me give priest a go 8)
13:37 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] disperse (Ran Gno Fem Neu) wished for "wand of polymorph", on T:42762
13:37 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] disperse (Ran Gno Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:42765
13:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] HanClinto (Cav Dwa Mal Law), 287 points, T:1468, killed by a small mimic
13:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 35243 points, T:18456, killed by a lieutenant
13:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Zefnar (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 439 points, T:1220, killed by a kitten
13:43 <rld> <@Kes> Hey K2, mind if I steal an EvilHack race at some point in the future?
13:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Arc Dwa Nbn Law), 100 points, T:438, killed by a brown mold
13:46 <K2> sure
13:46 <K2> which one you gonna steal? no no dont tell me
13:46 <K2> human
13:47 <rld> <@Kes> Aw you caught me :P
13:47 <K2> heh
13:47 <K2> hobbit?
13:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Bin Bat Mal Non) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:7882
13:47 <rld> <@Kes> I was thinking either giant or hobbit
13:47 <rld> <@Kes> Just playing with the idea
13:48 <K2> cool
13:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Rog Elf Mal Cha), 154 points, T:295, killed by a dart
13:48 <K2> i saw your latest wiki edit
13:48 <K2> rules change
13:48 <rld> <@Kes> Oh yeah
13:48 <K2> some of those are profound. you tested all of that?
13:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Bin Bat Mal Non) averted death, on T:7951
13:49 <rld> <@Kes> All of it except the cursed weapon stuff. That code is still WIP.
13:50 <rld> <@Kes> > Profound
13:50 <rld> <@Kes> That's going in my bio
13:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Bartlem (Nob Hlf Mal Neu), 1368 points, T:3439, killed by a vampire
13:50 <K2> \o/
13:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] disperse (Ran Gno Fem Neu) wished for "magic marker", on T:42872
13:51 <rld> <@Kes> I'm stupid excited to release. Just gotta finish porting a billion monsters grumble grumble
13:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] whatever (Ran Hum Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:4945
13:52 <K2> heh
13:52 <K2> dont rush it
13:52 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Bin Bat Mal Non), 74921 points, T:7990, killed by Ilona Szilagy
13:52 <K2> also, before you import all the splicehack monsters, you may wanna merge 3.7 again
13:52 <paxed> i hear there's a variant that has lots of monsters you can copy ...
13:53 <K2> hmm are angels supposed to use maledictions from the demonic list?
13:54 <rld> <@Kes> Angels shouldn't use demonic maledictions afaik
13:55 <rld> <@Kes> My reaction to 3.7 makedefs changes was the weirdest mix of joy and pain. Joy because it's so much of a better system that it's not even funny, pain because oh god porting this will take forever.
13:55 <K2> hire an underling
13:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] zor (Dna-Kni Dwa Mal Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1243
13:55 <K2> or a cabana boy, whichever
13:56 <rld> <@Kes> Underling: "What's this weird bit of spaghetti code here?" Me: "Don't touch that, it keeps the game from exploding" U: "But all it has no comments... M: "I said what I said"
13:57 <rld> <@Kes> Oh wait no that's the monster steed code lol
13:57 <Umbire> Angels have their own malediction 
13:57 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) had Sunsword bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:55891
13:57 <Umbire> malediction list*
13:58 <paxed> angel_cuss in quest.lua
13:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Bartlem (Tou Inc Mal Neu), 2692 points, T:935, killed by a dwarf
13:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] icarus (Bin Orc Fem Non) completed Sokoban, on T:13573
14:00 <Umbire> Anyway got a wish off the first smoky potion I blessed, hoorah
14:00 <nabru_work> yay!
14:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] hothraxxa (Bar Hum Mal Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:2069, rt[0:41:55]
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14:02 <Umbire> :)
14:02 <Umbire> I am seconds away from fucking crying. :)
14:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Pri Gia Mal Neu), 808 points, T:2045, killed by kicking a forge
14:03 <Umbire> What a wonderful time for my internet to hang itself. :)
14:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] zor (Kni Dwa Mal Law), 5014 points, T:2106, killed by an Uruk-captain
14:03 <K2> i think i found a bug with angelic maledictions
14:03 <K2> this is 3.6.6 code though not 3.7
14:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] disperse (Ran Gno Fem Neu) attained the rank of Scout, on T:43423
14:04 <qt> what's the bug
14:04 <K2> hmm well maybe not
14:04 <K2> one sec
14:05 <K2> ah i see, i sorta kinda broke angelic maledictions when I added a few way back
14:05 <K2> easy fix
14:05 <qt> oh did you add them but not change QTN_ANGELIC
14:05 <K2> no i changed that
14:06 <K2> but how they are determined in wizard.c needs to be altered
14:06 <K2> and the halu one needs to be at the end
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14:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Car Elf Nbn Cha), 213 points, T:680, killed by a crossbow bolt
14:08 <Umbire> You know what, I'm just not touching any variants for the rest of the day.
14:08 <Umbire> That was fucking demoralizing.
14:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Torlinn (DeniedExistence) (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 2340 points, T:967, killed by a giant mimic
14:09 <rld> <@riker> go play nao-3.4.3 ez
14:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Wiz Gul Fem Neu), 298 points, T:413, killed by a dwarf
14:10 <K2> got it, testing
14:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] puncake (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:13739
14:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] ripley (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 4898 points, T:3598, killed by a kitten
14:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] ripley (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 10 points, T:67, killed by a water moccasin
14:13 <Umbire> I'm not remotely in a joking mood.
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14:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] whatever (Ran Hum Fem Cha), 4743 points, T:5815, killed by a gray unicorn
14:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] hothraxxa (Bar Hum Mal Cha) entered Minetown, on T:2648, rt[0:56:27]
14:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] samiam (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:37275
14:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] samiam (Val Dwa Fem Law) picked up the Bell of Opening, on T:37279
14:19 <K2> i guess some angels *can* use demonic maledictions?
14:19 <K2> if they're a renegade I guess
14:19 <K2> some of these anegls I am spawning in wizmode are using demonic maledictions against me
14:19 <K2> *angels
14:21 <qt> yeah
14:21 <Hekik> the only difference between angels and demons is alignment, really
14:21 <K2> look in wizard.c at the end
14:22 <K2> make sure i'm not crazy
14:22 <Hekik> well, D&D good/evil alignment anyway
14:22 <qt> K2: look at what?
14:23 <qt> yeah, renegade angels will use the demonic maledictions
14:23 <K2> yay, not cray-cray
14:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mad Inc Mal Cha), 6897 points, T:2741, killed by a fire ant
14:24 <K2> i still needed to move the spanish inquisition one to the end of angelic maledictions though
14:24 <qt> btw i am very offended you didn't compliment me on my fine rust monster
14:24 <K2> "Good day to thee, sir!  I said good day!"
14:25 <K2> lol
14:25 <K2> what rust monster?
14:25 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] icarus (Bin Orc Fem Non) killed Cerberus, on T:15580
14:25 <qt> oh i posted it in #evilhack, i bought the little toy that inspired the rust monster appearance
14:25 <qt> https://0x0.st/-tpP.jpg
14:26 <K2> wow they still make those??
14:26 <K2> i used to have that
14:26 <qt> only $99 https://www.ebay.com/itm/292761549178
14:26 <rld> <@Kes> Awww!
14:26 <K2> and there was this wedge-shaped thing too had armor scales
14:26 <rld> <@Kes> It's so cute!
14:26 <K2> everyone now, on three...
14:26 <K2> 1...
14:26 <K2> 2...
14:26 <K2> 3...
14:26 <K2> AWWWWWW
14:26 <rld> <@Kes> AWWWWWW
14:27 <K2> D O   I T
14:27 <K2> Kes is the only cool one here
14:27 <K2> rest of you make me sad
14:27 <qt> sorry i was distracted by the $99 rust monster
14:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] disperse (Ran Gno Fem Neu) killed Scorpius, on T:44831
14:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] disperse (Ran Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:44836
14:29 <K2> damn i used to have quite a few of these, had no idea...
14:29 <K2> of course i was 4
14:29 <K2> or 5
14:29 <K2> 70's
14:30 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] icarus (Bin Orc Fem Non) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:16240
14:30 <qt> idk how that person expects to get $99 for it
14:30 <K2> you paid $99 for it yeah?
14:31 <qt> lol i found one that was like $13, still pretty expensive for a little plastic toy but not a hundred bucks at least :)
14:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] hothraxxa (Bar Hum Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:3275, rt[1:11:19]
14:31 <qt> most of the ones on ebay seem to be ~$50
14:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] hothraxxa (Bar Hum Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 2 orcish daggers (20 aum) on an altar, on T:3299, rt[1:11:33]
14:38 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 396 points, T:752, killed by a piranha
14:39 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Tou Hum Mal Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3358
14:39 <rld> <@post163> @e?piranha
14:39 <Beholder> piranha (;) | Lvl: 5 | Diff: 6 | Spd: 12 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: special | AC: 4 | Attacks: 2d6 bite physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, swims, amphibious, oviparous
14:39 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Tou Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:3444
14:41 <qt> K2: is this the wedge shaped one? https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/N84AAOSwt9JgTgaE/s-l1600.jpg
14:41 <K2> YES
14:41 <qt> i guess he is this guy https://0x0.st/-tp4.png
14:41 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:3566
14:41 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Tou Hum Mal Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping 13 darts on an altar, on T:3575
14:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 257 points, T:306, slipped while mounting a saddled pony
14:42 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:3603
14:43 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Tou Hum Mal Neu) stole 591 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Chibougamau's general store, on T:3725
14:44 <qt> how come the armadillo man didn't inspire any D&D monsters? he is awesome https://www.ebay.com/itm/265230553657
14:44 <K2> no idea
14:45 <K2> i think i burned all of these up as a kid
14:45 <qt> special attack: touch conveys leprosy
14:45 <K2> i used to dig small pits in the backyard and fill them with lighter fluid. star wars figures vs army men vs shogun warrior (metal) figures vs those cool monster ones
14:46 <K2> light the pits
14:46 <K2> chaos commence
14:46 <K2> mom running out in the back yard screaming at me for lighting fires
14:46 <K2> 'be glad i didnt use gasoline mom'
14:46 <K2> muhahahah
14:47 <qt> if she didn't want you to light fires she shouldn't have allowed you access to lighter fluid
14:47 <K2> she didnt
14:47 <K2> like that would stop me
14:47 <qt> if she didn't want you to light fires she should have chained you to your bed
14:47 <K2> see last comment
14:48 <mobileuser> just use a rust monster
14:48 <K2> heh
14:48 <K2> but yeah i destroyed/burned/melted/buried all sorts of toys
14:48 <qt> was the guy in toy story based on you
14:49 <K2> proba bunch of matchbox cars buried in the backyard of the old house we lived in
14:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Torlinn (DeniedExistence) (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 10113 points, T:4001, killed by a soldier ant
14:50 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:5097
14:53 <rld> <@Pacra> Rebatela, elf monk sounds difficult
14:54 <rebatela> heh. not gonna lie, it is (for me at least)
14:54 <rebatela> i ascended  neutral one i think 
14:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the Rat King, on T:22626
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15:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Hea Inc Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2643
15:01 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] spontiff (Hea Gno Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:3336
15:01 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] spontiff (Hea Gno Mal Neu) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3424
15:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] puncake (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Woman-at-arms, on T:15510
15:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] disperse (Ran Gno Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (shocking spheres), on T:46329
15:03 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] spontiff (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 618 points, T:3572, killed by a coyote
15:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] disperse (Ran Gno Fem Neu) genocided class L, on T:46335
15:04 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1191, rt[0:03:19]
15:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Val Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:2403
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15:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Val Hum Fem Law) destroyed Zefnar's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:3229
15:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] LovelyKittenz (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:21687
15:11 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 1355 points, T:2343, killed by a soldier ant
15:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mad Inc Mal Cha), 165 points, T:205, killed by a coyote
15:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] ripley (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 778 points, T:1801, killed by a hill orc
15:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Val Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3736
15:14 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 1122 points, T:3737, killed by a watch captain
15:15 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 272 points, T:846, killed by a fox
15:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mad Inc Mal Cha), 65 points, T:276, killed by a grid bug
15:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Bin Bat Mal Non), 14162 points, T:3172, killed by a small crossbow bolt
15:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] lynnwashere (Bin Dro Fem Non), 2439 points, T:1835, killed by a gnome lord, while praying
15:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] disperse (Ran Gno Fem Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 67 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:46878
15:18 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] ruffni (Bar Orc Fem Cha) just blew up her bag of holding, on T:18425
15:18 <rld> <@luxidream> !rng drive to class | sleep because I didn't get enough :((
15:18 <Beholder> @luxidream: drive to class
15:18 <rld> <@luxidream> sigh
15:18 <amateurhour> sleep while driving to class
15:19 <amateurhour> people don't realise they can do multiple things at once and maximise their potential
15:19 <amateurhour> follow for more life hacks
15:19 <rld> <@nabru> speedrun driving to class
15:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Mal Law), 3516 points, T:3571, killed by a warg
15:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] ripley (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 1186 points, T:882, killed by a blast of frost
15:22 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [xnh] mobileuser (Cav Hum Fem Neu) entered the Big Room, on T:20104
15:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] ripley (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 445 points, T:495, killed by a homunculus, while sleeping
15:24 <rld> <@luxidream> you right
15:24 <rld> <@luxidream> I could also just die that would solve all the problems
15:24 <spicyCebolla> D:
15:25 <amateurhour> wouldn't solve the problem of not having sub 30 though would it
15:25 <amateurhour> so dying isn't a good solution rly
15:26 <rld> <@luxidream> shadowrider can do sub 30
15:26 <rld> <@luxidream> right?
15:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] lynnwashere (Bin Dro Fem Non), 8210 points, T:3490, killed by a wolf
15:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] disperse (Ran Gno Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:47500
15:28 <amateurhour> I'm assuming it's impossible for anyone to get a time below 49m 
15:29 <amateurhour> but would be happy to be proven wrong
15:29 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 1068 points, T:8879, killed by a gecko, while frozen by a monster's gaze
15:30 <qt> it's easy if you run nethack with -D
15:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Val Hum Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5293
15:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] hothraxxa (Bar Hum Mal Cha), 4373 points, T:5519, killed by an invisible guivre
15:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] disperse (Ran Gno Fem Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 125 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:47799
15:32 <amateurhour> sorry qt I meant 49ms, my bad
15:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] ripley (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 1921 points, T:657, killed by a dwarf
15:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Val Hum Fem Law) signified by divine providence, was chosen to carry Excalibur, on T:5675
15:34 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:999, rt[0:05:32]
15:37 <aoei> ahoy there frens
15:37 <aoei> and qt
15:37 <aoei> jk :D
15:37 <K2> why you call everyone in here a fern?
15:37 <K2> wtf
15:37 <aoei> i said frens
15:37 <K2> fern
15:37 <aoei> just bc u are a fern
15:37 <aoei> doesnt mean u need to project
15:37 <aoei> ur deficiencies
15:37 <NetSysFire> K2: hello my dear dungeon fern spore
15:37 <K2> F E R N
15:37 <aoei> on everyone else
15:38 <K2> wtf is a frens
15:38 <aoei> well its a it like a ferns
15:38 <aoei> but 2 letters near the middle exchange spots
15:38 <aoei> do you see that?
15:38 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] disperse (Ran Gno Fem Neu) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:48056
15:38 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Torlinn (DeniedExistence) (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered the Minetown temple, on T:4722
15:39 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:2046, rt[0:09:59]
15:39 <K2> stay off the drugs
15:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] arbelf (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 54501 points, T:10005, killed by a black pudding
15:39 <K2> smokin' ferns is bad
15:39 * aoei splutters something about how outragoues and how dare you i am quite... oh wait
15:39 <aoei> i did have a few drinks
15:39 <aoei> so i cannot claim to be sober
15:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Con Gul Mal Cha), 392 points, T:1191, killed by a boulder
15:41 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered a shop, on T:2788, rt[0:12:14]
15:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] ripley (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 68 points, T:128, killed by a sewer rat
15:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] ripley (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 38 points, T:20, killed by a falling rock
15:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mad Vam Mal Neu), 3023 points, T:2011, killed by an orc-captain, while praying
15:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] puncake (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Big Room, on T:17628
15:45 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 1350 points, T:2945, killed by Ms. Pakka Pakka, the shopkeeper
15:46 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 198 points, T:391, killed by a dart
15:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [gh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had a single-edged polearm bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:2249
15:47 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una), 2494 points, T:2917, killed by a hobbit zombie
15:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mad Vam Mal Cha), 398 points, T:367, killed by a gnome zombie
15:48 <NetSysFire> !tea aoei
15:48 * Beholder hands aoei a tumbler of Earl Grey tea, excreted by FCCBot at 450 Kelvin.
15:49 <aoei> TY NetSysFire 
15:50 <NetSysFire> tea > booze
15:50 <spicyCebolla> > excreted by FCCBot at 450 Kelvin.
15:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] burningchrome (Val Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Swashbuckler, on T:27977
15:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Bin Bat Fem Non), 13665 points, T:2521, killed by a winter wolf
15:50 <aoei> just need to balance the booze with a cheeeky hit of crack
15:50 <aoei> thats the secret
15:50 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1280, rt[0:04:00]
15:51 <spicyCebolla> !fluid aoei 
15:51 <aoei> hy spicyCebolla 
15:51 <aoei> how are you
15:51 <aoei> c:
15:51 <spicyCebolla> pretty bored
15:51 <aoei> oky
15:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Bin Bat Mal Non), 0 points, T:45, killed by a newt
15:51 <spicyCebolla> been trying to make myself work on that python tutorial for a couple hours
15:52 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Aphrodite, on T:26707
15:52 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Wiz Dro Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1688
15:52 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Bartlem (Cav Hum Fem Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2345
15:53 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] ruffni (Bar Orc Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:20942
15:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Wiz Dro Fem Cha), 1706 points, T:1773, killed by a hill orc
15:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] ripley (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 3081 points, T:1719, killed by a gnome king
15:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] samiam (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Croesus, on T:41529
15:58 <rld> <@Pacra> not before aphrodite unloaded the entirety of a wand of cancellation into me, lol
15:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [gh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) retrieved the Mine's End luckstone, on T:3155
15:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Bartlem (Cav Hum Fem Law), 3446 points, T:2597, killed by a giant mimic
16:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Val Hum Fem Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:7510
16:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] disperse (Ran Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed spellbook of magic mapping", on T:48960
16:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mad Vam Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1454
16:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 416 points, T:1157, zombified by a gnome zombie
16:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Torlinn (DeniedExistence) (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 13890 points, T:6430, killed by a giant spider
16:02 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3023, rt[0:16:00]
16:03 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 2656 points, T:3023, killed by a horse, while praying
16:03 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una), 1519 points, T:2954, killed by a mountain dwarf
16:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Cerberus, on T:61914
16:03 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [xnh] mobileuser (Cav Hum Fem Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Ishtar, on T:22345
16:04 <mobileuser> bleh
16:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] zor (Val Hum Fem Law), 1154 points, T:1975, killed by a bat, while fainted from lack of food
16:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Torlinn (DeniedExistence) (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 0 points, T:46, killed by a sewer rat
16:05 <amateurhour> why bleh, are you hunting for a particular artiweapon?
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16:05 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Cav Hum Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:33276
16:06 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed Ennistymon on T:854
16:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mad Vam Mal Neu), 4818 points, T:1960, killed by an imp, while praying
16:10 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1709, rt[0:07:34]
16:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] jww (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 2465 points, T:6511, killed by a boiling potion
16:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] icarus (Bin Orc Fem Non) killed Axus, on T:23454
16:13 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Cav Hum Mal Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 460 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:33487
16:13 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [xnh] mobileuser (Cav Hum Fem Neu) became Ishtar's Envoy of Balance, on T:23212
16:13 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una), 2017 points, T:2317, died of starvation, while fainted
16:14 <mobileuser> amateurhour just trying to get crowned
16:14 <mobileuser> which I now did :-)
16:14 <amateurhour> ahh!
16:14 <mobileuser> that said, Magicbane is always nice...
16:15 <mobileuser> still no MR or reflection
16:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) averted death (poisoned by a centipede), on T:3055
16:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Wiz Ang Nbn Neu), 730 points, T:1423, killed by a giant ant
16:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) defeated the invisible Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:62489
16:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] ripley (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 3456 points, T:2427, killed by a gnome
16:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [gh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had a mace bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:4603
16:20 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 3897 points, T:3523, killed by a garter snake
16:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] zor (Brd Dro Fem Cha), 374 points, T:881, killed by a rolling boulder trap
16:21 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una), 1145 points, T:1497, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted wererat
16:23 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] NetSysFire (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 54 points, T:182, killed by a newt, while frozen by a potion
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16:23 <NetSysFire> damn newts nibbling me to death
16:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Arc Dwa Mal Law) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:844
16:26 <rld> <@ichbinmiah> what enemies can be generated with Sunsword?
16:27 <rld> <@ichbinmiah> something invisible in Vlad's Tower wielding Sunsword nearly wrecked me at -41AC.  Archon?
16:28 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 848 points, T:2122, killed by a dwarf
16:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mad Vam Mal Neu), 2822 points, T:1548, killed by a crow, while praying
16:29 <amateurhour> probably
16:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Val Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:10188
16:35 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed Upernavik on T:1005
16:36 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Cav Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:34281
16:36 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Cav Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:34282
16:37 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1609, rt[0:08:34]
16:37 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [gh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:7447
16:38 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 104 points, T:466, slipped while mounting a saddled pony
16:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Bin Bat Fem Non), 26140 points, T:4308, killed by a droven bolt
16:44 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 4929 points, T:3008, killed by a hobgoblin
16:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Bartlem (Bin Vam Mal Non), 3597 points, T:2852, killed by a quasit
16:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Val Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Woman-at-arms, on T:11073
16:47 <jonadab> I am delayed.  Apologies.  (The tomatoes came in, and they are ripe.  We make our own marinara, annually, and preserve it in mason jars for all year.  This is the day.  I still intend to get back to that Fourk issue...)
16:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Torlinn (DeniedExistence) (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 11232 points, T:4693, quit
16:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Stardust (DeniedExistence) (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered the Sokoban zoo, on T:9743
16:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [gh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed rustproof +2 frost brand", on T:7986
16:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Tou Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed rustproof +2 fire brand", on T:32057
16:50 <amateurhour> sounds nice jonadab 
16:51 <jonadab> I mean, it's _worth_ it, yeah.
16:52 <jonadab> Ok, that builds and runs.
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16:56 <jonadab> Ok, pushed.
16:56 <jonadab> K2: ^
16:56 <jonadab> I haven't tested that this actually fixes the bug, but it _should_ do.
16:57 <jonadab> Back later.
16:57 <amateurhour> have fun
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16:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mad Inc Mal Cha), 211 points, T:434, killed by an arrow trap
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17:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Tou Hum Mal Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon him by The Lady, on T:33512
17:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Torlinn (DeniedExistence) (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 2028 points, T:1054, quit
17:02 <rld> <@Pacra> hmm
17:02 <aoei> spicyCebolla: what kinda python tutorial
17:03 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] ruffni (Bar Orc Fem Cha) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Set, on T:26495
17:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Stardust (DeniedExistence) (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered the Sokoban zoo, on T:9743
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17:04 <froggles> Which discord is the bridge linked to?
17:04 <froggles> Is it a Hardfought one or the Roguelikes one?
17:04 <froggles> Nvm I think I found the answer: https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Hardfought
17:05 <amateurhour> the roguelikes discord, there's a hardfought channel th-
17:05 <amateurhour> ah
17:05 <froggles> ^^
17:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:13601
17:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] ripley (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 120 points, T:266, killed by a fox
17:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [gh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed rustproof +2 helm of brilliance", on T:9058
17:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] disperse (Ran Gno Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:50615
17:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] disperse (Ran Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:50616
17:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] ripley (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 353 points, T:262, killed by a gnome
17:10 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Ishchenko (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 292 points, T:960, killed by a dwarf
17:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] ripley (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 442 points, T:518, killed by an acidic corpse
17:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] ripley (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 848 points, T:739, killed by a dart
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17:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] ripley (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 0 points, T:156, killed by a falling rock
17:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] ripley (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 307 points, T:436, killed by a jackal
17:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Val Hum Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:14775
17:21 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] ruffni (Bar Orc Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:28852
17:21 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] ruffni (Bar Orc Fem Cha) had Grimtooth bestowed upon her by Set, on T:28864
17:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Bar Vam Fem Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3153
17:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Bar Vam Fem Cha), 12079 points, T:3176, killed by a fire elemental
17:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Turlinn (DeniedExistence) (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered the Minetown temple, on T:2608
17:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] disperse (Ran Gno Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:51295
17:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] disperse (Ran Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:51303
17:30 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] ripley (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 1444 points, T:1379, killed by a little dog called Otis
17:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Turlinn (DeniedExistence) (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 11823 points, T:2771, killed by a watchman called "Waltham"
17:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] disperse (Ran Gno Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:51498
17:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [gh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had a runed dagger named Sting bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:11526
17:37 <nabru> !role
17:37 <Beholder> nabru: gnoll ranger
17:37 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Cav Hum Nbn Law), 1663 points, T:2469, killed by a plains centaur
17:38 <amateurhour> gnollhack is fun
17:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mad Vam Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1364
17:40 <K2> NetHack Fourk updated (all servers)
17:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] disperse (Ran Gno Fem Neu) attained the rank of Arbalester, on T:51558
17:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law), 461 points, T:1143, killed by a gnome
17:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Wiz Ang Nbn Cha), 49 points, T:129, killed by a jackal
17:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [gh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) averted death, on T:12102
17:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [gnoll] nabru (Rog Gnl Fem Cha), 80 points, T:572, killed by a gas spore's explosion
17:42 <jonadab> K2: Incidentally, are you following the compatible-with-4.3.0.4 branch, or master?
17:43 <jonadab> (Not that there is a large practical difference; just curious.)
17:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Ishchenko's ghost, the former Digger, on T:364
17:44 <jonadab> (I mean, there _will_ be a difference _if_ I ever get 4.3.0.5 to save-stable status, but we can cross that bridge if we come to it.)
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17:44 <jonadab> Oh, while I'm thinking about it, I should look at that pit fiend bug as well.
17:46 <K2> master branch
17:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 672 points, T:822, killed by a Keystone Kop
17:47 <nabru> !lastgame nabru
17:47 <Beholder> nabru: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/evilhack/dumplog/1605872855.evil.html | [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/nethack/dumplog/1630013555.nh.html | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/nethack4/dumplog/2020-08-11%2011%3A15%3A06%2C%20Testin%27-Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu%2C%20died.txt
17:47 <K2> omg godaddy has become such a steaming pile of shit
17:48 <K2> the clinic my wife works at, their website went down almost 5 hours ago. i'm forced to deal with the front line of defense tech support
17:48 <K2> 2nd time i'm on hold with them, they couldnt get the site back up the first time it seems
17:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) averted death (killed by a bolt of lightning), on T:18519
17:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mad Vam Mal Neu), 6105 points, T:2410, killed by a rope golem
17:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) rejected atheism by consulting with the giant priestess of Ptah, on T:18591
17:49 <rld> <@Zefnar> Scripted customer service bots employees
17:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Torlinn (DeniedExistence) (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 5142 points, T:2058, killed by a quasit
17:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] disperse (Ran Gno Fem Neu) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:51711
17:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] disperse (Ran Gno Fem Neu) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:51713
17:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 23686 points, T:18646, suffocated by a gelatinous cube
17:51 <K2> i know right?
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17:53 <aosdict> as a quick poll, does anyone actually play with menustyle:traditional
17:53 <aosdict> I vaguely think raisse might but she's not around
17:53 <Demo> whats that
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17:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 914 points, T:871, killed by a watchman
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18:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] ezion (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 267 points, T:702, killed by a dart
18:02 <Hekik>  I use full
18:03 <Hekik> did traditional for a while when I started because I copied someone's nethackrc, didn't know things could be better
18:04 <Pinkbeast> I used combination from the point it came in. I know there is someone who willingly uses traditional (which =~ the pre-menustyle approach) but it seems extraordinary.
18:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Stardust (DeniedExistence) (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered the Sokoban zoo, on T:9743
18:05 <DeniedExistence> jonadab K2 update seems to work!
18:06 <jonadab> DeniedExistence: Good, good.
18:06 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Con Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:9023
18:06 <jonadab> K2: Wait, they've got godaddy doing something other than domain registration?
18:07 <jonadab> WHY?
18:07 <jonadab> I mean, I will admit to letting Network Solutions host DNS for some of our domains at work, including the .org.  But Network Solutions is not GoDaddy.
18:08 <jonadab> And I don't have them hosting a _web_ service, yeesh.
18:08 <jonadab> aosdict: Is traditional the one that's meant to be for people who don't like the "new fangled" NetHack 3.0 stuff?
18:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Orion (Mon Gia Mal Law), 4838 points, T:3740, killed by an orcish watchman
18:09 <jonadab> (Or was it 2.0?  Some unreasonably ancient version.)
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18:12 <Hekik> I can see the appeal, but I'm not that fast with the item type glyph -> key mapping for some of them
18:12 <K2> DeniedExistence yay
18:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Tou Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:34683
18:13 <K2> jonadab I just taled my wife's boss into switching hosts, even if it means more $$$
18:13 <K2> *talked
18:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Stardust (DeniedExistence) (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:9863
18:15 <rld> <@Kes> I've had good luck with Porkbun as a host, but admittedly I haven't been with them for long and I'm just running a small wordpress site.
18:15 <rld> <@nabru> !rng order food | eat whatever is left on the fridge
18:15 <Beholder> @nabru: order food
18:15 <K2> there's a company they've been paying for website frontend dev, they do hosting as well. figure it'd be best to let them handle it all moving forward
18:16 <K2> i dont want to be on the hook having to admin the site
18:17 <K2> got enough on my plate
18:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] disperse (Ran Gno Fem Neu) wished for "magic marker", on T:52778
18:19 <jonadab> I mean, Apache itself is so easy to admin, you can train a Freshman to do it.  But then they start wanting to use PHP or Wordpress or some jazz, and yeah, you don't want to be on the hook for that.
18:20 <rld> <@Zefnar> codeacademy used to be a decent place to learn basics, seems like it’s changed a lot now. stuff is behind a paywall?
18:20 <jonadab> Or, heaven help you, they want to do ASPX.  Run away, run away.
18:20 <rld> <@Zefnar> I remembered it being free
18:20 <jonadab> Dunno about that one, I use w3schools.
18:20 <jonadab> And man pages.
18:20 <rld> <@Zefnar> They do C? Looking to learn C
18:20 <jonadab> Oh, probably not C.
18:21 <jonadab> For C, hmm, I don't have a good recommendation.  Everyone always used to say K&R, but I'm not sure that's a good recommendation these days.  Stuff has changed.
18:21 <jonadab> There are a LOT of warnings in modern compilers, for things that old code used to do all the time.
18:21 <rld> <@Zefnar> Still looks like a cool site I’ll check them out, w3schooks
18:22 <jonadab> And I can definitely not recommend the method I used, which is learning C by working on the NetHack codebase.
18:22 <rld> <@Kes> w3schools is pretty great, especially when looking for examples.
18:22 <jonadab> I thought we were talking about web stuff, which is where w3schools started and where it mainly shines.
18:22 <jonadab> HTML, CSS, DOM, anything like that.
18:22 <rld> <@Zefnar> I mean you were just got me thinking about learning again
18:22 <rld> <@Kes> Seconding jonadab. I learned C via college courses and did most of my homework in it. NetHack has probably reduced my C competency in some twisted way.
18:23 <rld> <@Zefnar> Lmao
18:23 <rld> <@Zefnar> One must imagine Sisyphus a hack dev
18:23 <rld> <@Kes> Harvard has a free CS150 course which is largely in C too. That's how I got my introduction before taking classes with my profs.
18:25 <jonadab> All this makes me wonder what it would be like, to be on the committee to revamp a comp-sci curriculum.  I mean, on the one hand, traditional comp-sci programs have a lot of stuff you *really* don't need to be doing as an undergrad, like sorting algorithms.  On the other hand, some people want to go completely crazy and teach nothing but Javascript, and that's a terrible idea.
18:25 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Con Hum Mal Cha), 42433 points, T:11737, killed by a giant zombie
18:26 <K2> https://online-learning.harvard.edu/course/cs50-introduction-computer-science?delta=0
18:27 <jonadab> (The correct sorting algorithm to use, if you don't have *at least* thirty years programming experience, is always to call whatever sort function your language/compiler/standard-library/whatever provides.  Always.
18:27 <Beholder> [hdf-au] [nh370] Orcranger (Bar Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "3 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:16397
18:27 <jonadab> Because it's consistently going to have been optimized to Gehennom and back, by people with way more experience than you, and you can't touch its performance unless you ARE one of those people, which you aren't.)
18:28 <Beholder> [hdf-au] [nh370] Orcranger (Bar Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:16397
18:28 <rld> <@Kes> Yup, CS50 is the one I took! It's pretty good!
18:29 <rld> <@Kes> Also yup. Same logic as "please for the love of god don't roll your own encryption algorithm oh god stop"
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18:30 <aosdict> iT's sEcUrE iF nO oNe KnOwS tHe aLgOrItHm
18:31 <aosdict> @Kes you went to harvard? :o
18:31 <rld> <@Kes> iTs NoT tHaT hArD
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18:31 <rld> <@Kes> aosdict: Nope! I only took the CS50 course so I could skip one of the CS intro classes in my major.
18:31 <rld> <@riker> harvard has a bunhc of free online courses
18:31 <rld> <@Kes> ...that said I actually did work a job at harvard at one point lol
18:32 <rld> <@riker> so does mit iirc
18:32 <aosdict> ah that's neat
18:32 <rld> <@riker> you went to grinnell right:
18:32 <rld> <@Kes> yeeeee
18:32 <aosdict> your school giving you credit for that
18:32 <rld> <@riker> i have a friend there rn
18:32 <rld> <@Kes> Oh nice! I almost want to ask if I know them lol. It's a small, small place.
18:33 <aosdict> I've been to Grinnell Glacier but not Grinnell College, maybe they were named after the same person :P
18:33 <rld> <@riker> are you currently at grinnell kes?
18:33 <rld> <@riker> i thought you graduated
18:33 <rld> <@riker> considering he's my age and therefore a freshman i doubt you would know him then
18:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Stardust (DeniedExistence) (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 cloak of protection", on T:10302
18:33 <rld> <@riker> but hey if you know some jewish kid named alex LR then let me know
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18:34 <Beholder> [hdf-au] [nh370] Orcranger (Bar Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +3 silver dragon scale mail", on T:16413
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18:34 <rld> <@Kes> I graduated a couple years back. So no, guess we wouldn't have met
18:34 <rld> <@riker> lol
18:34 <rld> <@riker> yeah i could've sworn you were older htan a college kid
18:34 <rld> <@riker> you seem to know more of what you're doing
18:35 <K2> i have an assoc. degree that took 24 yrs on/off to get
18:35 * K2 flexes
18:35 <K2> ask me how much student loan debt I have
18:35 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> how much
18:35 <rld> <@Kes> Knowing what I'm doing is a strong way of putting it, but I'm def a lot more put together than I was in undergrad lol. I'm actually looking at going back to school for my Master's in the near future.
18:36 <K2> Z E R O
18:36 <rld> <@riker> oh cool
18:36 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> woow
18:36 <rld> <@Kes> woooooo!
18:36 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> very cool well played
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18:36 <rld> <@riker> congrats k2
18:36 <aosdict> I have a cousin that's angling to beat that time K2
18:36 <K2> well... its a bullshit assoc degree over the span of 24 yrs
18:36 <aosdict> though I guess it will be a bachelors
18:36 <rld> <@riker> have you started a college fund for your daughter k2?
18:36 <K2> if i had student debt from that, i shouldnt have a degree
18:36 <K2> riker yeah
18:37 <K2> plus I transferred over my post 911 gi bill to her
18:37 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> people get ridiculous degrees all the time and then have student debt piled up
18:37 <K2> first 4 years is a free ride plus stipend
18:37 <aosdict> Honestly, over the last ten years, you'd be better off putting your money in a college fund and paying the minimum on most debts
18:37 <aosdict> unless your debts had some insane interest
18:37 <rld> <@riker> wooo k2
18:38 <K2> so basically saving up for post grad school
18:38 <K2> if she goes that path
18:38 <rld> <@riker> my parents did not do that for me 😔 im gonna do that for my kids for sure
18:38 <K2> which nowadays you need
18:38 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [un] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:37093
18:38 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> i actually have a similar thing going
18:38 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) signified by divine providence, was chosen to carry Excalibur, on T:2917
18:38 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> i chose a school because they are basically paying me to go here
18:38 <aosdict> I keep hearing in tech you really don't need an advanced degree and it may be somewhat detrimental to get one
18:38 <K2> uni costs are just outrageous
18:39 <K2> i dont see how its allowed to continue
18:39 <K2> i hear its finally starting to level off
18:39 <rld> <@riker> i tried to choose for a combo of a good education program + reasonable financial aid
18:39 <K2> but some of these colleges/universities have more staff than students
18:39 <nabru> well, here in Brazil we have some colleges (government-operated) which are free, I mean, paid for with taxes. But our government has been working hard to sabotage them
18:39 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> aosdict i think thats ture
18:40 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> strange as it is
18:40 <jonadab> I mean, rolling your own sort isn't _dangerous_, @Kes, just pointless and suboptimal.
18:40 <K2> nabru :/
18:40 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> well its not harmful
18:40 <rld> <@riker> please elect bernie so i can get my college paid for y'all
18:40 <rld> <@Kes> For me, it was where gave good merit-based aid.
18:40 <rld> <@riker> thanks in advance
18:40 <aosdict> I want to advocate for making student loan debt dischargeable in bankruptcy as that would certainly solve the uni cost problem... but at the same time it means a lot of underprivileged people don't get to go to college anymore
18:40 <nabru> we also have private universities, but many of them are crap, low-value degrees
18:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Minetown, on T:1548
18:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3070
18:41 <K2> to balance out my sad lil assoc degree in general bullshit, my wife is wrapping up her doctorate in phys therapy
18:41 <jonadab> I don't think I personally know anyone who went to Harvard.  I do have a first cousin who was at one point a night watchman for the CIA.  The punchline is that CIA stands for "Cleveland Institute of Art", though.
18:41 <rld> <@Kes> lol
18:42 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> wouldn't you be gone by then lol
18:42 <K2> heh
18:42 <rld> <@riker> a kid from my school went to harvard, but I think he's also rich enough to pay for the whole thing
18:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Orion (Rog Hum Fem Neu), 940 points, T:2355, killed by a baby owlbear
18:42 <jonadab> (More actually impressive, one of his brothers used to write software for Intel.)
18:42 <rld> <@riker> shadow depending on how ppl work i can probably get the last yr off
18:42 <K2> by this time next year i'll be married to a doctor
18:42 <rld> <@riker> maybe more depending on long it takes me to pay the loans tbh
18:42 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> mb
18:42 <rld> <@riker> i literally just started
18:42 <rld> <@riker> lmao
18:42 <jonadab> K2: Doctor of what?
18:42 <K2> another bucket list item to check off woooo
18:42 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> it feels like one of those situations where it happens just too late
18:42 <K2> doctor of physical therapy
18:42 <rld> <@riker> phys therapy persumably
18:42 <rld> <@Kes> Aaay, congrats on starting riker!
18:42 <jonadab> Ah.
18:43 <rld> <@riker> i had my first class today and it was awful 0/10
18:43 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [un] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered Sheol, on T:37211, rt[9:58:37]
18:43 <K2> hah riker
18:43 <K2> it'll get better
18:43 <rld> <@riker> advanced java techniques that you can't test out of should NOT be 'introduction to OOP'
18:43 <jonadab> I've known plenty of people with doctorates, of course.  I mean, I went to college, so.
18:43 <K2> sucks you're starting college in the middle of a pandemic
18:43 <aosdict> why using java for intro to oop... why
18:43 <aosdict> why not something nice like python
18:43 <rld> <@riker> well i'ts "advanced programming techniques with java"
18:43 <K2> or BASIC
18:44 <aosdict> K2 you can't do oop in basic
18:44 <rld> <@riker> i tested out of 'introductoin to programming with python' due to AP CS & IB CS both
18:44 <K2> 10 PRINT "HI"   20 GOTO 10   RUN
18:44 <rld> <@riker> that also tested me out of 'introdutcion to java' which nobody ever takes
18:44 <rld> <@riker> but i cannot be free of this torment
18:44 <K2> ^ OOP
18:44 <rld> <@Kes> My first programming class was in a lisp-derivative called scheme. I am queen of functional programming
18:44 <jonadab> My dad only has a Master's.  My mom... has a BA I _think_, but it's incidental; her real qualification came from the three-year hospital-run nursing school she had attended previously.
18:44 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> i thought riker was the same person as me except that they're jewish
18:44 <rld> <@riker> i learned to code from khanacademy's processing.js
18:44 <rld> <@riker> im not jewish lmao
18:44 <aosdict> Yeah, it seems like a lot of intro programming classes use scheme/racket
18:44 <rld> <@riker> i'm just going to a very very jewish university since its a good school
18:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Bin Bat Mal Non), 27763 points, T:4039, quit
18:45 <rld> <@riker> hmu y'all if u go through boston anytime soon
18:45 <K2> riker you're in boston?
18:45 <aosdict> At my job I get to work on the language you never learn in school... FORTRAN! yaaay
18:45 <jonadab> I've been to Boston.  Once.
18:45 <rld> <@riker> brandeis uni is in waltham so
18:45 <rld> <@riker> 20m out
18:45 <K2> wow dude
18:45 <K2> you didnt tell me
18:45 <K2> i had to find out this way!?
18:46 <aosdict> it's not like you live in boston
18:46 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [un] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered Vlad's tower, on T:37356, rt[10:01:35]
18:46 <rld> <@Kes> aosdict: Scheme/racket is amazing for learning functional programming, but so much of the knowledge you get out of it is very difficult to transfer to other languages, since the syntax is so wild.
18:46 <jonadab> K2: Why is Boston significant to you?
18:46 <K2> cuz its close to my inlaws house
18:46 <jonadab> Ah.
18:46 <rld> <@riker> oh neat k2
18:46 <K2> now i have a decent reason to go along when my wofe goes
18:46 <jonadab> The time I was in Boston, it's because we were visiting my aunt, who lived in Baltimore at the time.
18:46 <rld> <@riker> yeah i just got here tuesday
18:46 <K2> wife rather
18:46 <rld> <@riker> wooo
18:46 <rld> <@Zefnar> Lmao
18:46 <aosdict> I wonder how close your inlaws live to my relatives
18:46 <jonadab> We went to D.C. on the way too, and visited Anapolis while we were there.
18:46 <K2> they're in northborough
18:47 <rld> <@riker> oh cool i know where that is
18:47 <aosdict> not terribly close then
18:47 <K2> which is north of southborough
18:47 <jonadab> That makes sense.
18:47 <K2> :)
18:47 <aosdict> and east of westboro
18:47 <rld> <@riker> i've been to boston a couple times. 'its where we've flown into to visit family in the northeast (NY, PA, VA most recently)
18:47 <K2> NE
18:47 <aosdict> but there's no eastboro
18:47 <jonadab> Though you'd be surprised how often that sort of thing is NOT the case.
18:47 <jonadab> aosdict: Yeah, there's no Nossex either.  Because it was called "Mercia".
18:47 <aosdict> PA and VA are not the northeast :P
18:48 <rld> <@riker> yeah
18:48 <rld> <@riker> but if yo'ure trying to visit them all in one trip without flying anymore
18:48 <rld> <@riker> boston is a good place to get into
18:48 <rld> <@Kes> When I worked in Harvard I made a few trips to Boston. It's a lovely city
18:48 <K2> riker you gotta practice how to say 'Worcester' correctly
18:48 <jonadab> VA is in the South.  That's my story and I'm sticking to it.  PA is in a weird situation:  it's not in the South, not in New England either, and not in the Midwest.
18:48 <rld> <@riker> wooster
18:48 <jonadab> It tends to get classified as Mid-Atlantic, along with Maryland and Delaware.
18:48 <K2> no
18:49 <K2> dont you ever say 'wooster'
18:49 <K2> you'll get your ass beat
18:49 <rld> <@riker> lol
18:49 <K2> its kinda like 'wistah' with attitude
18:49 <aosdict> that's how vermonters say it
18:49 <aosdict> they think they're right but they're wrong
18:49 <K2> its how my father in law who grew up in worcester says it
18:49 <K2> so
18:50 <rld> <@riker> my sister is there for college
18:50 <NetSysFire> how do you pronounce worcestershire
18:50 <rld> <@riker> its' wooster
18:50 <jonadab> In Ohio, people argue about whether Wooster (which is a little over an hour east of here) uses the OO sound like in book, or the one like in boot.
18:50 <rld> <@riker> lol
18:50 <K2> :)
18:50 <aosdict> K2: I'm from there originally. We say it "wuster"
18:50 <jonadab> NetSysFire: I pronounce "worcestershire" as "worchestershire", although I am completely aware that people from England do not say it that way.
18:51 <rld> <@riker> ok yeah she does say wuster as in muster
18:51 <rld> <@riker> with a little more oo
18:51 <aosdict> okay, pronouncing it "worchester" WILL get you beat
18:51 <K2> you're from worcester? hah
18:51 <rld> <@riker> such a violent town smh
18:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] icarus (Bin Orc Fem Non) killed Croesus, on T:29396
18:51 <aosdict> no, we just have strong opinions on people who say worchester
18:51 <K2> as you should
18:52 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 260 points, T:662, killed by a jackal
18:52 <jonadab> I just can't bring myself to pronounce "worcestershire" as "wooster".  
18:52 <K2> i dont think i've ever heard my in laws pronounce 'err' with anything
18:52 <aosdict> @riker it's not like muster in that it's not a short u sound as in mud
18:52 <K2> err is more like ahh
18:52 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Orion (Con Dwa Mal Cha), 167 points, T:1413, killed by a hobbit
18:52 <jonadab> K2: Oh, right, the non-rhotic New England accent.
18:53 <aosdict> that's your boston accent for you
18:53 <rld> <@riker> yeah idk i can't really think of another word that sounds like how my sister says it
18:53 <K2> wistah
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18:53 <rld> <@riker> k2 i'ts apparnetly 45 minutes from northborough to boston and 30 from northborough to waltham where i am :)
18:53 <K2> yup
18:53 <K2> we usually go in to boston when we visit
18:53 <aosdict> if you're not sure, call it "the woo"
18:53 <K2> well, before covid
18:53 <jonadab> I tell people that I pronounce "wooster" with the OO sound like in "roof" and "root", and leave them to work out which one that is :-)
18:54 <rld> <@riker> yeah logan is a good airport
18:54 <rld> <@riker> lmao that's hilarious jonadab
18:54 <K2> ok so how do we work all of this into nethack
18:54 <rld> <@Zefnar> I used to live in DC , sometimes I miss the food. Never miss the traffic
18:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] ripley (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 1985 points, T:1320, killed by a fall onto poison spikes
18:54 <K2> omg DC traffic
18:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:3113
18:54 <rld> <@riker> been to dc once
18:54 <K2> and the parking
18:54 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [un] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed Vlad the Impaler, on T:37793
18:54 <aosdict> I pronounce roof and root with the same vowel, but I'm aware that those have quite a lot of regional variation
18:54 <rld> <@riker> been there done that don't need to go again
18:54 <aosdict> similarly, hoof and soot
18:54 <rld> <@Zefnar> 95 sucks :(
18:55 <K2> parking in DC is *horrible*
18:55 <jonadab> Yeah, I've been to DC once, and I have memories of the traffic, and I was in the _back seat_.
18:55 <rld> <@riker> lmao
18:55 <K2> if you dont have a car that can fit into a shoe box, you're screwed
18:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Pir Hum Fem Cha), 835 points, T:997, killed by a gnome king
18:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +2 gauntlets of power", on T:3138
18:55 <rld> <@riker> k2 we gotta do a 2 person roguelike convention
18:55 <aosdict> parking in NYC is also horrible
18:55 <K2> no way i could ever take my truck down there
18:55 <rld> <@riker> never been to nc
18:55 <rld> <@riker> nyc
18:55 <aosdict> really parking in any big city is horrible
18:55 <aosdict> so glad I don't own a car
18:55 <K2> big city in new england is different than midwest
18:55 <rld> <@Zefnar> I drove a delivery van in DC as a summer job in college. Well, a work vans one of those paneled transit vans
18:55 <jonadab> There was this one traffic circle, that had like six lanes, and you had to enter on the innermost lane and could only turn out once you worked your way into the outermost lane, by which time you were dizzy and couldn't figure out which exit you wanted.
18:55 <rld> <@Zefnar> House to house, spraying pesticides
18:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 4791 points, T:4970, killed by a touch of death, while frozen by a floating eye's gaze
18:56 <nabru> !lastgame nabru
18:56 <Beholder> nabru: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/evilhack/dumplog/1605872855.evil.html | [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/nethack/dumplog/1630015151.nh.html | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/nethack4/dumplog/2020-08-11%2011%3A15%3A06%2C%20Testin%27-Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu%2C%20died.txt
18:56 <K2> riker hell yeah
18:56 <rld> <@riker> parking in LA is actually pretty doable
18:56 <K2> 2 man roguelike conv
18:56 <rld> <@riker> you just end up parking somewhat far away from where you want to be
18:56 <jonadab> K2: If you think you need a small car to park in DC, go to Europe.  Or, heaven help you, Japan.
18:56 <rld> <@riker> but it's relatively low stress unless you're running late
18:56 <K2> been to LA too back in 91, getting around wasnt bad
18:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Con Hum Nbn Cha), 27 points, T:197, killed by a jackal
18:56 <K2> I-5 was insane though
18:56 <nabru> I don't own a car, either. Planned getting one, but not worth the hassle
18:56 <rld> <@riker> fuck hte 5
18:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed +2 boots of speed", on T:3284
18:56 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una), 699 points, T:1512, zombified by a kobold zombie
18:56 <rld> <@Zefnar> Lmao yea I grew up in Germany before DC
18:57 <NetSysFire> oh no, another german
18:57 <K2> hah
18:57 <nabru> a lot of germans here
18:57 <rld> <@riker> ^
18:57 <jonadab> The hardest time I've ever had finding parking, was in the Niagara Falls area.
18:57 <jonadab> Which is for obvious reasons.
18:57 <rld> <@riker> the i-10 also sucks some places
18:57 <rld> <@riker> well, some places in CA
18:57 <rld> <@riker> im certain it sucks off and on throughout its length but especially near pasadena
18:57 <rld> <@Zefnar> Does not surprise me that Germans would take to nethack
18:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] ripley (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 477 points, T:504, killed by a gnome lord
18:58 <jonadab> I mean, there's a German translation of NetHack.
18:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1024
18:58 <K2> riker, google 'worcester how to say it' and select 'british pronunciation'
18:58 <jonadab> Also, Germans have been on the internet in large numbers for longer than most nationalities.
18:58 <rld> <@riker> i'ts going to be a crime isn't it k2
18:58 <rld> <@Pacra> Bluprell the Medica ossium slashes her scalpel.  Bluprell the Medica ossium hacks you!  Bluprell the Medica ossium casts a spell at you!  A servant of balance appears!  The voice of The Lady booms:  "Thou shalt pay for thine indiscretion!"The fire elemental of The Lady appears before you.
18:58 <K2> heh
18:58 <rld> <@Zefnar> it’s wusster innit
18:59 <rld> <@Pacra> sorry what, how did I make my god angry haha
18:59 <jonadab> So traditional internet culture things like NetHack would be expected to have more of a presence in Germany than in some other places.
18:59 <rld> <@riker> okay yeah they just can't make an r noise
18:59 <rld> <@Pacra> did Bluprell cast the "make your god angry at you" spell???
18:59 <aosdict> why are there two messages about the same monster appearing
18:59 <K2> wu-stah
18:59 <rld> <@riker> i haven't acquired the boston lack of rs yet
18:59 <aosdict> At your age, you're not going to.
18:59 <K2> Pacra, no its 'summon minion' spell
18:59 <rld> <@riker> aosdict presumably the spell says 'servant of balance' and the minion_appear or whatever code says the latter
18:59 <rld> <@riker> yeah i don't expect to
19:00 <nabru> well, I don't expect many Brazilians to play nethack. Our internet culture is quite recent and quite social media-centric
19:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] ripley (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 400 points, T:417, killed by a jackal
19:00 <jonadab> nabru: Compared to Germany, that's true.  There are countries further along the scale than Brasil, though.
19:00 <rld> <@Zefnar> I was surprised when you said you were from Brasil
19:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed bag of holding", on T:3364
19:01 <rld> <@riker> i wonder how big the japanese scene really is
19:01 <aosdict> it's criminal how facebook et al have taken over the internet in some developing countries to the extent that they don't know there's anything on the internet besides social media
19:01 <rld> <@riker> i have genuinely no clue since i speak no japanese
19:01 <rld> <@Zefnar> I thought I met a lot of Brazilians on dota 2 but they may have been Portuguese
19:01 <nabru> aosdict: most people here think the internet is Facebook, Whatsapp and Youtube
19:01 <rld> <@riker> playing in germany or in US east zef
19:01 <rld> <@riker> in germany highly unlikely you're gonna get brasil lol
19:01 <rld> <@Zefnar> Us EAST
19:01 <jonadab> nabru: a lot of people here think the internet is Google, Facebook, YouTube, and Pinterest.
19:01 <rld> <@Zefnar> At the time
19:02 <rld> <@riker> wack
19:02 <jonadab> But not _everyone_, fortunately.
19:02 <rld> <@Zefnar> It was all Brazilians and Russians on the dota servers
19:02 <rld> <@riker> i can barely hit south american servers in the us dunno
19:02 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una), 726 points, T:1418, killed by trying to drink molten lava
19:02 <rld> <@Zefnar> Learned a lot of bad language lmao
19:02 <NetSysFire> totally not a startscum but with more effort
19:02 <rld> <@riker> yeah i can recognize a lot of russian slurs now
19:02 <rld> <@riker> csgo does that
19:02 <rld> <@Zefnar> Oh man when I was in DC and we had fiber internet I had like 8-13ms ping constant
19:03 <rld> <@Zefnar> It was awesome
19:03 <rld> <@Zefnar> I miss the food AND the internet
19:03 <rld> <@riker> dude my uni wifi is 270 mbps im shook
19:03 <rld> <@riker> VA servers had a whopping 15 ms ping
19:03 <rld> <@riker> and thats impressive considering my LA ping was also 15 and i was literally an 45m train from those
19:03 <Demo> DC sucks and the food is all too expensive
19:04 <jonadab> Food is always more expensive in large metro areas.
19:04 <rld> <@Zefnar> I mean depends what you’re eating :P lots of good international stuff for cheap
19:04 <rld> <@riker> food is expensive period
19:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) signified by divine providence, was chosen to carry Excalibur, on T:3638
19:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] ripley (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 296 points, T:723, killed by a gnome lord
19:04 <rld> <@Zefnar> I miss Nando’s . Idk why they’re only in Chicago and DC
19:04 <rld> <@Zefnar> they’d do well all over the south
19:05 <rld> <@Zefnar> Everyone loves chicken , and hot sauce? Hell yea
19:05 <jonadab> I thought Nando's was a London-area chain.
19:05 <rld> <@Zefnar> Yea but they’re in Chicago and DC in the US
19:05 <jonadab> I had no idea they had a presence in America.
19:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 892 points, T:753, killed by a rabid rat
19:05 <rld> <@Zefnar> Idk why
19:05 <aosdict> food is not expensive if you live outside a metro area
19:05 <jonadab> Why?  Because they think they can make money there, presumably.
19:05 <aosdict> the problem is there just won't be as diverse an assortment of it
19:05 <Demo> DC sucks and I hate it
19:05 <jonadab> Oh, _ethnic_ food is a problem in small towns, yeah.
19:06 <Demo> not as bad as Baltimore
19:06 <jonadab> Basic groceries are cheap though.
19:06 <jonadab> I can get eggs for a dollar a dozen.
19:06 <aosdict> jonadab: But basic groceries can get reeeeally basic
19:06 <jonadab> Eh, it's pretty reasonable here.
19:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) rejected atheism by offering a yellow mold corpse on an altar of Tyr, on T:3749
19:07 <jonadab> As long as you're not looking for exotic/ethnic stuff.  THAT is harder to find.
19:07 <rld> <@Zefnar> There was a great little diner / kebab joint near where I lived called “2 brothers” run by a couple azerbaijani guys. “Hello brother welcome to 2 brothers” $5 chicken sandwich fries and Coke. Great lunch spot
19:07 <nabru> here in Brazil, in most cities you can find hole-in-the-wall places with good, cheap food
19:08 <aosdict> I'm not sure how to intepret that because based on what you've previously described about Ohio food, some basic fruits and vegetables may be considered exotic
19:08 <rld> <@Zefnar> LMAO
19:08 <rld> <@Zefnar> Ohio sucks
19:08 <jonadab> I can get a $5 meal here no problem; but I can't get Azerbaijani food.  I'd have to drive to, like, Chicago or Toronto, probably.  *Maybe* Columbus, but I doubt it.
19:08 <Demo> I'd rather be in most places in Ohio than DC lol
19:08 <aosdict> You suddenly yearn for Cleveland.
19:08 <rld> <@Zefnar> Yea here in Houston there’s 100 barbecue joints but not much in the way of international food. A couple “Asian food” spots
19:09 <jonadab> On the whole, Ohio is a pretty nice place to live; but the lack of good ethnic food (and access to native speakers of foreign languages, if you're a language nut) is one of the key downsides.
19:09 <rld> <@Zefnar> Good Mexican food in certain neighborhoods
19:09 <aosdict> we did it, that nethack line is never going to be more apropos than that
19:09 <rld> <@riker> lmao
19:09 <jonadab> I can get half-decent Mexican, actually.  But that's pretty much the only anywhere-near-authentic ethnic cuisine I can get in Galion.  30 minutes away in Mansfield, the options are a little better.
19:10 <jonadab> Of course, I can get heavily-Americanized Italian food that's _good_, but it's not authentically Italian by any stretch.
19:10 <aosdict> mexican options here are surprisingly not that great but that's mainly because I'm a vegetarian
19:10 <jonadab> And the Chinese I can get is reheated frozen stuff from GFS.
19:10 <aosdict> but just about anything else, we have it
19:11 <jonadab> Oh, vegetarian would be tricky to find here.  I think you'd pretty much have to just buy groceries and cook.  Which, I mean, you can do that.
19:11 <jonadab> I think Subway might have a veggie sub?
19:11 <jonadab> Or you can get salads a lot of places, of course.
19:11 <jonadab> Oh, and the pizza places often have a veggie pizza.
19:11 <jonadab> Which is sometimes not terrible.
19:11 <aosdict> pizza is vegetarian by default lol
19:11 <rld> <@riker> subway has whatever you want on it
19:12 <jonadab> Actually, sometimes it's really good, assuming you are ok with cheese.
19:12 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [un] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered the Dragon Caves, on T:38877, rt[10:28:09]
19:12 <aosdict> stop trying to convince me to come to ohio for pizza, I am in the pizza capital of america
19:12 <jonadab> Vegetarians in this part of the world are *usually* ok with cheese.
19:12 <jonadab> Heh.
19:12 <jonadab> No, pizza is not a good reason to come to Ohio.
19:13 <jonadab> We have good pizza, but so do lots of places.
19:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] peterg (Val Dwa Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed greased ring of teleport control", on T:17331
19:13 <rld> <@Zefnar> Why do y’all have the most astronauts tho
19:13 <jonadab> Dunno.
19:13 <jonadab> We also have the best roller coasters.
19:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Bin Bat Mal Non), 6914 points, T:1885, killed by a cave spider, while praying
19:13 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> arent they closed
19:13 <jonadab> But you don't _move_ to a place for roller coasters, you visit.
19:13 <rld> <@Zefnar> Further evidence that something about Ohio makes people yearn for death, or race toward it
19:14 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> i was going to go with some friends and half the rides were not operational
19:14 <jonadab> STILL?  I don't think so, @Shadow_Rider, though I could be wrong.
19:14 <aosdict> zefnar ohio isn't as bad as like, alabama, or mississippi 
19:14 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> well i wasn't the one who did the research lol
19:14 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> it was like a month ago tho
19:14 <rld> <@Zefnar> I mean that’s true I’d rather live in Ohio than that deep in the south
19:14 <jonadab> I _thought_ Cedar Point had fully reopened, but I coudl be mistaken.
19:15 <Demo> they probably do power drill rodeos in ohio
19:15 <jonadab> I haven't actually checked their website recently.
19:15 <jonadab> Demo: I don't even know what that means.
19:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 621 points, T:1810, killed by a gnome lady
19:15 <rld> <@Zefnar> southwest is southern enough for me. gulf coast is pushing it, there’s too much Louisiana in Houston
19:15 <rld> <@Zefnar> Only tolerable cause they bring the food
19:15 <rld> <@Zefnar> And the fishing is good
19:15 <jonadab> If you want good ethnic food in the Midwest, you want Chicago.
19:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] icarus (Bin Orc Fem Non) killed Medusa, on T:30681
19:16 <jonadab> But Chicago is such a big city, I wouldn't want to live there.
19:16 <jonadab> Maybe an hour away.
19:16 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> having lived in chicago myself its not very interesting
19:17 <jonadab> Now, if you're looking for comfort food that's just _good_, you cannot do better than a Midwest carry-in dinner.  
19:17 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> oh but ye the food is good
19:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:4615
19:17 <jonadab> Chicago is an interesting place to visit.  I wouldn't want to live there.
19:17 <jonadab> Same is true of Cinci.
19:18 <aosdict> the one thing I remember is the giant silver kidney bean
19:18 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> exactly
19:18 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> its literally a big metal bean
19:18 <jonadab> Heh.  That actually wasn't there yet, the last time I was in Chicago.
19:18 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> hardly an attraction imo
19:18 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> there is some cool architercture tho
19:19 <jonadab> There's a lot of interesting history in Chicago.  Well, a lot by American standards.
19:19 <rld> <@Pacra> im lucky to have amazing szechuan everywhere around in philly
19:19 <aoei> sup shadow_rider
19:19 <aoei> hows school and whatnot
19:19 <aoei> or uni even
19:19 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> 👀
19:19 <jonadab> I spent six weeks in Philly once, but I didn't get to try the ethnic food options.
19:19 <aoei> but hten u americans call uni school anyway
19:20 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> its been fantastic
19:20 <jonadab> (I was with a group...)
19:20 <aoei> so i guess its fine
19:20 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> finally can go crazy making friends irl
19:20 <rld> <@Zefnar> My coworker told me people in philly say “yins” and that’s enough to convince me to give that city a 100 mile berth
19:20 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> classes have been pretty ez so far as well
19:20 <jonadab> aoei: "school" is a more general term; if we want to refer _specifically_ to what you call uni, we say "college".
19:20 <rld> <@Pacra> sorry, what is a yins
19:21 <aosdict> spelled yinz
19:21 <aoei> jonadab: which is also confusing for us britz cuz
19:21 <rld> <@Pacra> I am from philly and I've never heard anyone say yinz in my life
19:21 <jonadab> Yeah, I am aware.
19:21 <rld> <@Pacra> nor do i know what it means
19:21 <aoei> college is either high-school
19:21 <jonadab> I think it's further west, @Pacra
19:21 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> ye college is more common
19:21 <aoei> or an organisation *within* aa university
19:21 <rld> <@Zefnar> Like “y’all” is what I’m told
19:21 <aosdict> @pacra basically "y'all"
19:21 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> uni is foreign
19:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] peterg (Val Dwa Mal Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 cloak of magic resistance", on T:17390
19:21 <jonadab> ("yinz" is a local/dialectical plural form of "you".)
19:21 <rld> <@Pacra> exactly how further west heh
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19:22 <aosdict> pittsburgh? harrisburg?
19:22 <rld> <@Pacra> ah
19:22 <aoei> but what if u went to 
19:22 <jonadab> (And yes, "you" was originally plural, and people keep inventing plural forms like "y'all", "you guys", "youse", "yinz", etc.)
19:22 <aoei> a foreign uni? 👀 
19:22 <rld> <@Pacra> the pittsburghites -would- have something nonsensical like that
19:22 <aosdict> youse looks like the nethack pluralizer got borked
19:22 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> people dont really go foreign for uni
19:22 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> there's not much reason to when there's so many in the us
19:22 <rld> <@Zefnar> Did I mix up my PA cities? Sorry. I only ever went to PA to fish :(
19:23 <rld> <@Zefnar> Smack dab up the middle of the state is awesome
19:23 <jonadab> Some colleges encourage a study-abroad for one semester.
19:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Orion (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 1244 points, T:2839, killed by a giant priestess of Thoth
19:23 <aosdict> lots of people study abroad, but that's not your whole college career
19:23 <rld> <@Pacra> !lastgame orion
19:23 <Beholder> @Pacra: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/O/Orion/evilhack/dumplog/1630018371.evil.html
19:23 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> oh yea my college gives me a stiped to spend a semester abroad
19:23 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> no idea where i should go tho
19:23 <rld> <@Zefnar> Options?
19:24 <aoei> :o
19:24 <rld> <@Zefnar> Speak any other languages?
19:24 <Demo> study a broad
19:24 <aoei> i did 2 semesters in denmark
19:24 <aoei> Demo: XD
19:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:4501
19:24 <aoei> study her thoroughly
19:24 <jonadab> Do yourself a favor:  go someplace _interesting_, and by interesting I mean _different_ from your experience up to now.
19:24 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> i dont speak other languages lol
19:24 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> some spanish
19:24 <aoei> well
19:24 <aoei> luckily
19:24 <aoei> the wholefuckin world speaks english
19:24 <aoei> so you're good
19:24 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> lmao true!
19:24 <rld> <@Zefnar> Yea but it helps to put a good foot forward
19:24 <aoei> alho especially scandi coountries top tier english
19:24 <aoei> yeah for sure zefnar
19:24 <aoei> its good to like
19:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Stardust (DeniedExistence) (Kni Hum Fem Law) reached the bottom of the Mines, on T:12119
19:24 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> us is the only country where people don't learn multiple languages
19:24 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> we are stupid af
19:24 <aoei> make an effort
19:24 <aoei> or so
19:25 <aoei> altho
19:25 <aoei> if yo utry to learn danish
19:25 <aoei> the danes will jus tlaugh at you
19:25 <aoei> and switch to english
19:25 <aoei> so not realy worth it
19:25 <nabru> I'd probably go to an European country, maybe Germany or the UK
19:25 <jonadab> Not true, @Shadow_Rider, most folks in New Zealand don't learn multiple langauges either.
19:25 <jonadab> (Actually, much of the English-speaking world.)
19:25 <jonadab> (Excluding anglophone Africa.)
19:26 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> ik its not for real i just hear it a lot from people from other countries
19:26 <jonadab> (Africans ALL speak multiple languages.)
19:26 <rld> <@Zefnar> If there’s options in like, Slovenia, Croatia, Prague that’s where I’d go
19:26 <Umbire> Also people do speaking multiple languages in the US depending on where you go, so...
19:26 <jonadab> Sure in the major urban centers.
19:27 <rld> <@Zefnar> Or edinburgh, that’s a cool place to be a student
19:27 <jonadab> And near certain Reservations.
19:27 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> well of course tons of people here are multilingual (?)
19:27 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> its just not usually a standard
19:28 <rld> <@Zefnar> It’s different when you see how pervasive English is in Europe
19:28 <rld> <@Zefnar> The small town baker probably speaks functional English
19:28 <jonadab> Personally, I think it's regrettable that our schools almost all teach the _same_ foreign languages.  Spanish, and French.
19:28 <jonadab> It's very hard to find a public school that teaches anything else.
19:28 <rld> <@riker> my high school taught spanish german french
19:28 <jonadab> NOt that there's anything wrong with Spanish and French, but I feel like more diversity would be better.
19:29 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> you just gotta find a big one
19:29 <jonadab> Oooh, German.
19:29 <rld> <@riker> i mean it's also that spanish is probably the most useful language for anybody in the southern US at least
19:29 <aosdict> a lot of schools also offer latin
19:29 <rld> <@riker> assuming you plan on staying there
19:29 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> mine taught weird ones like chinese/japanese
19:29 <aosdict> not that that's... that useful
19:29 <Umbire> Root for the romance languages, but sadly true otherwise.
19:29 <rld> <@riker> chinese & arabic are also occasionally taught around where i lived
19:29 <jonadab> Where did you find a  high school that still teaches Latin?
19:29 <rld> <@riker> like, any catholic one
19:29 <jonadab> That's *rare* these days.
19:30 <aosdict> Not... really.
19:30 <jonadab> Oh, right, I meant public schools.
19:30 <jonadab> Private schools are a different matter.
19:30 <aosdict> Public schools in the northeast, is my data set
19:30 <jonadab> Some of them even teach ancient Greek.
19:30 <rld> <@riker> dunno how many public schools do. my old history teacher was a latin teacher in tennesee before he moved to CA
19:30 <rld> <@riker> [sic]
19:30 <aosdict> It's not *mandatory*, it's like a language elective
19:30 <jonadab> Hmm, maybe it's better in the northeast than the Midwest?
19:30 <jonadab> Oh, sure.
19:30 <jonadab> I don't care what's mandatory; I care what's offered.
19:31 <jonadab> (In terms of foreign languages, I mean.)
19:31 <Demo> my high school taught latin
19:31 <Demo> so did my middle school
19:31 <jonadab> Students who aren't interested, aren't going to get any benefit from foreign language anyway, so screw them.
19:31 <aosdict> non-americans: anyone making sweeping generalizations about us primary/secondary school is probably wrong
19:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] peterg (Val Dwa Mal Law) wished for "magic marker", on T:17427
19:31 <Demo> my high school taught latin
19:31 <Demo> I took latin for 3 years in middle school then didn't do any at high school
19:31 <rld> <@riker> 6-8 middle school? wack
19:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] peterg (Val Dwa Mal Law) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of genocide", on T:17428
19:31 <rld> <@riker> any sweeping generalisations fail to recognize how big this stupid country is aosdict
19:32 <aosdict> that seems strangely more common nowadays
19:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] meek (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) murdered his faithful kitten, on T:602
19:32 <Demo> yeah they counted as high school credit
19:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) destroyed WizzyTheWeird's ghost, the former Evoker, on T:5297
19:32 <aosdict> @riker that, and that rules and curricula are for the most part left to individual localities, rather than having national oversight
19:33 <jonadab> Well, education is specifically listed as a Reserved Power.
19:33 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> apparenetly my high school offered hebrew
19:33 <jonadab> So Federal oversight would be unconstitutional.
19:33 <jonadab> Wait, Hebrew, really?  Wow.
19:33 <aosdict> I mean sure there's basic law stuff like anti-discrimination, but the actual details of education, not so much
19:33 <jonadab> That's an interesting option.  Not even Indo-European.
19:33 <nabru> here in Brazil education has federal and state oversight. Too bad our federal government hates education and wants to dumb things as much as possible
19:33 <rld> <@riker> i thought i was the sorta jewish one here shadow smh
19:36 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] meek (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 4 points, T:121, killed by a fox
19:37 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] meek (Val Hum Fem Law) murdered her faithful kitten, on T:74
19:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Orion (Pri Hum Fem Cha) murdered her faithful lynx, on T:685
19:39 <Umbire> My HS had Latin and the romance languages so.
19:41 <rld> <@riker> what, all of them? :)
19:41 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> im not jewish
19:41 <rld> <@riker> yeah that was a joke about the hebrew
19:41 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> but something stupid like 40% of my town is
19:42 <rld> <@riker> wack
19:44 <aoei> yo riker!
19:45 <rld> <@riker> o/
19:45 <Umbire> I never knew too many Jewish people, which in retrospect fuckin' sucks because the ones I know now have p. wicked senses of humor and 're great people besides.
19:45 <rld> <@riker> also there's something to be said for the fashion opportunities for really fun designs on your yarmulke
19:46 <aoei> i guess i dont know anybody jewish irl
19:46 <rld> <@riker> i have a friend who has a set with g suite logos for some bizarre reason
19:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:6553
19:46 <aoei> which is weird maybe
19:46 <nabru> I don't, either
19:47 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una), 773 points, T:2286, killed by a gray ooze, while fainted from lack of food
19:47 <aoei> apparently some years back, my auntie on my mums side had mostly jewish friends
19:47 <aoei> and this was partly because
19:47 <aoei> altho my aunti ewas not jewish
19:47 <aoei> non-jewish russians thought she looked jewish
19:47 <aoei> and were all racist and shit
19:47 <aoei> at her
19:47 <aosdict> my boss and roommate are both from israel
19:48 <rld> <@Pacra> Status of the shambling horror (female, lawful):  Level 13  HP 56(146)  AC -8.
19:48 <rld> <@Pacra> bbllelehhh
19:48 <aoei> i dont know a lot about israel
19:48 <rld> <@Pacra> unbelievably fast and has rotting, haha
19:48 <aoei> but i do know they have one of the best signal intelligence organisations in the world
19:48 <aoei> like this tiny country has NSA level shit
19:49 <aoei> thats p dope
19:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] meek (Val Hum Fem Law) has been given Excalibur, and now enjoys supreme executive power, on T:2425
19:49 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 108 points, T:760, killed by Ms. Curig; the shopkeeper, while sleeping
19:49 <nabru> !lastgame NetSysFire 
19:49 <Beholder> nabru: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/N/NetSysFire/evilhack/dumplog/1630021661.evil.html | [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/N/NetSysFire/nethack/dumplog/1618390869.nh.html
19:50 <Umbire> I could get into why that is, but I'd get in trouble.
19:50 <NetSysFire> i started a game, realized that barbarian is boring and yolo'd
19:50 <Umbire> Please, the Ring of P'hul fucks 
19:50 <aoei> whats the point in even setting up a story you can't tel
19:53 <NetSysFire> me? dunno ask my brain it spontaneously gave my an overwhelming desire to stop
19:54 <aoei> no no
19:54 <aoei> Umbire | I could get into why that is, but I'd get in trouble.
19:54 <aoei> umb
19:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Woman-at-arms, on T:7546
19:54 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> aoei why don't you do a practice
19:54 <aoei> the best part is he didnt even tell us like
19:54 <aoei> i mean he says he cant get into why that is
19:54 <aoei> but we dont even know what that is
19:54 <aoei> that he cant get into why it is
19:54 <aoei> lol
19:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] meek (Val Hum Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3077
19:55 <aoei> shadow_rider if it makes you happy i will do a practice now
19:55 <NetSysFire> !8ball does Umbire work for the NSA, FBI or similar?
19:55 <Beholder> NetSysFire: Yes definitely
19:55 <aoei> altho i am currently highly inebrieated
19:55 <aoei> and grieving the loss of a dear friend
19:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] meek (Val Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:3152
19:55 <aoei> who passed away this weekend
19:55 * NetSysFire hugs aoei
19:55 <aoei> and wil have a funeral on tuesday
19:55 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> oh :((
19:55 * aoei hug
19:55 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> ignore me then
19:55 <Umbire> I mean it's a highly political subject and as such would be incredibly unwise to do by most general standards.
19:56 <aoei> i might play anyway a lil
19:56 <aoei> because why not
19:56 <Umbire> Also I'm sorry for you loss, aoei.
19:56 * NetSysFire puts some amethysts in aoei's booze
19:56 <aoei> ty umb
19:56 <aoei> lol NetSysFire 
19:56 <aoei> shit
19:56 <aoei> he was evne a nethack player
19:56 <aoei> ever so briefly
19:56 <aoei> due to me talking about the game so much
19:56 <aoei> he tried tiles
19:56 <aoei> once
19:56 <aoei> lol
19:56 <aoei> i was like noooooo dont play tiles
19:57 <aoei> but he idnt listen
19:57 <NetSysFire> tiles is heresy
19:57 <aoei> tiles is so bad
19:57 <aoei> lol
19:57 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> ew tiles
19:57 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> at least he was willing to try
19:58 <aoei> one of my coworkers at my new job
19:58 <aoei> also tried nethack
19:58 <aoei> lol
19:58 <aoei> i think he told me that he managed to kill a fox and a zombie
19:58 <aoei> on dl1
19:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed the invisible ezion's ghost, the former Stripling, on T:8198
19:58 <aoei> i dont think he got much further than that
19:58 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> planting the seed
19:58 <aoei> :>
19:58 <aoei> once when we were at the vaccination place (cuz we got the vaccine thru work)
19:58 <aoei> he asked me
19:58 <aoei> if u can play on mobile
19:59 <aoei> i was like
19:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:8295
19:59 <aoei> TECHNICALLY yes
19:59 <aoei> nethack mobile is trash tho (sorry Umbire)
19:59 <nabru> I have nethack on my phone, can't bring myself to play it, either
19:59 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> He's a little confused but he got the spirit
19:59 <Umbire> Ok.
19:59 <aoei> Umbire: i just meant
19:59 <nabru> maybe on a tablet with a bluetooth keyboard
19:59 <aoei> cuz u play on moobile
20:00 <aoei> and i didnt want to offend
20:00 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> i played on hardfought on mobile with a keyboard
20:00 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> it was kinda funny for about 2 minutes
20:00 <aoei> shadow_rider luxi told me he played nethack mobile on a flight once
20:00 <aoei> to idk where
20:00 <aoei> lets say it was to Cali
20:00 <aoei> or osm eshit
20:00 <aoei> so maybe 8 hours
20:00 <aoei> or well i have no idea ho long flights in your country take
20:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] meek (Val Hum Fem Law), 4257 points, T:3804, killed by a spotted jelly
20:01 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> why would it be any different anywhere else lol
20:01 <aoei> but the punchline is it took luxidream 6-8 hours to ascend on mobile
20:01 <aoei> well
20:01 <aoei> the distance
20:01 <aoei> is the issue
20:01 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> i don't think plane technology is much different
20:01 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> oh ok
20:01 <aoei> i have no idea how far cali is from other stuff
20:01 <aoei> in flight time terms
20:01 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> well to cali from where lmao
20:01 <aoei> uhhhhh
20:01 <aoei> i think ya'll live in the same state
20:01 <aoei> or the same TZ at least
20:02 <rld> <@Pacra> id rather just use a mobile ssh client and a tiny usb-c keyboard than nethack mobile heh
20:02 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> heh i don't feel like thats true
20:02 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> oh the timezone yeah
20:02 <aoei> ahhh ok
20:02 <aoei> close enough
20:02 <aoei> :b
20:02 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> i feel like we might live in the same state but i never asked
20:02 <aoei> i might remember which one it is but i dont wanna dox him lol
20:02 <rld> <@Pacra> i bet its pretty decent with a big enough phone and a good enough ssh client
20:03 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> well i played junethack for a week on a tablet like that
20:03 <aoei> the punchline was a lie tho, i have no idea if it took him a full flight to ascend nethack mobile
20:03 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> got a few wins so it wasn't soo bad
20:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed the invisible ezion's ghost, the former Acolyte, on T:8470
20:03 <aoei> he did say it was painful tho
20:03 <aoei> lul
20:03 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> i couldn't even figure out the controls
20:03 <aoei> i dont thikn ive been further than like
20:03 <aoei> dl3
20:03 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> in particular kicking down a door
20:03 <aoei> on mobile app
20:03 <aoei> lol
20:03 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> thats why i never continued
20:04 <aoei> i've been further in the game using termius ssh to hardfought
20:04 <aoei> but playing nethack in termius is also fucking awkward
20:04 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> what does termius do
20:04 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> is there something bad with using the hterm
20:04 <aoei> its a terminal/ssh app for android
20:05 <aoei> hterm is worse heresy than tiles
20:05 <aoei> smh
20:05 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> lol why
20:05 <aoei> because i said so
20:05 <aoei> and im older than you
20:05 <aoei> <.<
20:05 <aoei> >.>
20:05 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> well i bet i'm taller
20:05 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> 😐
20:05 <aoei> are you 190cm
20:05 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> one sec lemme convert
20:06 <aoei> i mean im not 190cm anyway
20:06 <aoei> but if you are you easily won
20:06 <aoei> im 180cm
20:06 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> lmao
20:06 <nabru> ah, I forget Americans use that lousy imperial unit system
20:06 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> wait its close
20:06 <nabru> Who measures stuff in feet and inches, ferchrissakes?
20:06 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> not even americans like it
20:06 <aoei> nabru: backwhere i grew up we use feet and inches for height still lmao
20:06 <aoei> the uik
20:06 <aoei> uk
20:06 <aoei> uses
20:06 <aoei> feet and inches for height
20:07 <aoei> and miles for distance
20:07 <aoei> and uh
20:07 <aoei> oh yeah pints
20:07 <aoei> for liquid volume
20:07 <aoei> but our pints are bigger than US ones >:O
20:07 <aoei> because pog
20:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] samiam (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:47377
20:07 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> HAHA I WIN
20:07 <aoei> however
20:07 <aoei> mass
20:07 <aoei> in the UK
20:07 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> I'm 181 lmao
20:07 <aoei> seems ot be an unpredictable mix of imperial and metric
20:07 <aoei> for no particular reason
20:07 <aoei> dammit
20:07 <aoei> you
20:08 <aoei> whatever im 195cm in heels
20:08 <aoei> :V
20:08 <aoei> wel dependinng on which heels
20:08 <aoei> butstill
20:08 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> i see
20:08 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> relies on crutches to win
20:08 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> just like in nethack
20:08 <aoei> oh no
20:08 <aoei> that hurt
20:09 <aoei> i might have to drop out from nethack racing
20:09 <aoei> forever ashamed
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20:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mad Vam Mal Neu), 1633 points, T:979, killed by a pony
20:09 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> no pls dont i take it back
20:09 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> i dont want to be the one to face lux
20:09 <aoei> its too late
20:09 <aoei> i can never recover from this mortal blow
20:10 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> k imma do a practice then
20:10 <rld> <@Zefnar> Wait does math but I’m 180cm
20:10 <aoei> k imma also do that
20:10 <aoei> while drunk
20:10 <aoei> and totally not die
20:10 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> nice
20:10 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> practice race
20:10 <aoei> >:O
20:10 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> we can see who's better unofficially
20:10 <aoei> ok we start at 02:13
20:10 <aoei> well
20:10 <aoei> whateve rhour :13
20:10 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> its 7:48 here
20:10 <aoei> what kinda fucked up tz is that
20:11 <aoei> its 02:10 here
20:11 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> gotcha :))
20:11 <aoei> !!
20:11 <aoei> u bastgard
20:11 <aoei> i shoulda known
20:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Hea Inc Mal Neu) wished for "blessed +2 greased silver dragon scale mail", on T:8890
20:12 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [seed] Stella (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed]
20:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] icarus (Bin Orc Fem Non) wished for "blessed +3 soulmirror", on T:32394
20:15 <rld> <@luxidream> It’s 0:69 here
20:15 <Demo> its 8:15 and I just ate and a burger and ice cream
20:16 <rld> <@Pacra> oh No
20:16 <nabru> It's 21:15 here
20:16 <rld> <@Pacra> I thought I had sleep resistance haha
20:16 <rld> <@Pacra> RIP me
20:16 <rld> <@Pacra> You were 71% sleep resistant.
20:17 <rld> <@Pacra> argh, that was the thing
20:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:2199, rt[0:03:55]
20:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 363602 points, T:42785, killed by Croesus, while sleeping
20:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Bin Bat Fem Non), 26410 points, T:3617, quit
20:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Hea Inc Mal Neu) was given Atlantean Royal Sword, on T:9556
20:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) signified by divine providence, was chosen to carry Excalibur, on T:2326, rt[0:04:15]
20:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2538, rt[0:04:59]
20:18 <aoei> ah shit i got distacted by irc
20:18 <aoei> and my opnonent got excal
20:18 <aoei> sposed to focus
20:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Bin Bat Fem Non), 118 points, T:200, killed by a grid bug
20:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by naming Sting, on T:2665, rt[0:05:48]
20:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] sudgy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed Asmodeus, on T:33222
20:20 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> its ok ill give you a handicap
20:20 <aoei> hahaha
20:20 <aoei> okey
20:20 <aoei> sorry drama is keeping me away form the game
20:20 <aoei> i should ignore
20:20 <aoei> the drama
20:25 <Umbire> It'll tell you when you have a full resistance, Pacra.
20:25 <Umbire> Croesus is a pretty good benchmark for... how often have you tried an Evil tourist?
20:26 <rld> <@Pacra> my only evilhack win is as a convict
20:26 <rld> <@Zefnar> WOW
20:26 <rld> <@Zefnar> Sting is not a handicap
20:26 <rld> <@Zefnar> 😒
20:27 <rld> <@Pacra> so i figure tourist would be around that level of difficulty
20:27 <rld> <@Pacra> (it def is, haha)
20:28 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> i just sold it zefnar
20:28 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> extra money is all
20:29 <aoei> shit im probably rly behind
20:29 <aoei> but i have to pee
20:29 <aoei> did u do soko yet
20:30 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una), 3745 points, T:2928, killed by a dwarf lady
20:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Bin Bat Fem Non) wished for "blessed fixed +2 Holy Moonlight Sword", on T:662
20:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:6937, rt[0:18:11]
20:31 <aoei> crap
20:31 <aoei> he did it
20:31 <aoei> ah wel maybe he chokes here
20:32 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> isnt that the goal
20:32 <Umbire> It's a Valk anyway, not like they'd need a handicap
20:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] sudgy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) averted death (poisoned by Juiblex), on T:33885
20:35 <rld> <@Pacra> netsysfire, inf ill looks quite difficult
20:35 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una), 311 points, T:916, killed by a newt, while unconscious from rotten food
20:35 <NetSysFire> embarassing
20:35 <rld> <@the_eternal_paradox> hahaaa you got Dudley'd
20:35 <NetSysFire> inf ith is difficult but you get used to it
20:36 <aoei> jesus wtf
20:36 <rld> <@Pacra> i want to try out a giant priest next, add to my own bones to umbire's
20:36 <aoei> 23 min not even beat soko
20:36 <aoei> oh heh doesnt report the #quit
20:36 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> bruh its always food horn
20:37 <aoei> lmfao
20:37 <aoei> most useless tool
20:37 <aoei> in the entire game
20:37 <Umbire> I refuse to play after that Internet drop during my fucking wish prompt.
20:37 <aoei> wel ok mb tin opener is more shit
20:37 <aoei> idk
20:37 <aoei> but
20:37 <NetSysFire> no its not
20:37 <NetSysFire> food horn is great
20:37 <rld> <@Pacra> thats just some brutal meta difficulty
20:38 <NetSysFire> also i swear if i find your bones with a ton of boulders which litter the dungeon i will find you, paralyze you and let a newt nibble your toes until you die
20:38 <aoei> NetSysFire: its useful only for early game or hopelessly slow players
20:38 <aoei> or maybe variants make it a bit more good
20:38 <aoei> and when you see a horn you want a way in to the bloody castle
20:39 <aoei> not some poxy non-tonal thing that produces food
20:39 <aoei> food already abundant in the dungeon
20:40 <NetSysFire> which variant are we talking about?
20:40 <aoei> i dont play variants
20:40 <NetSysFire> as a spellcaster you need more food anyways
20:40 <aoei> which is why
20:40 <aoei> i said that maybe some variants make it more good
20:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Cha) genocided green slimes, on T:86151
20:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] desertgreg (Mon Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Student of Stones, on T:10527
20:45 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una), 937 points, T:1728, killed by a hobbit zombie
20:45 <NetSysFire> dammit
20:48 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> wait aoei did you stop
20:48 <aoei> i ketp getting distracted
20:48 <aoei> and then
20:48 <aoei> i was like
20:48 <aoei> hey its 23 mins in and i didnt eat soko
20:48 <aoei> or even get excal
20:49 <aoei> and #quit
20:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:11677
20:49 <aoei> lol
20:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Mon Gia Fem Neu), 4128 points, T:1144, killed by a crossbow bolt
20:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] samiam (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed ring of levitation", on T:49931
20:49 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> oh ok
20:49 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> i guess that is a good indication of how things will go
20:49 <aoei> lmfao rip me then
20:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Bin Bat Fem Non), 16365 points, T:2400, killed by a crow
20:50 <aoei> ok one more game
20:50 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [seed] Stella (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed]
20:51 <rld> <@Pacra> thats the spirit
20:51 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> im not doing very well tbh
20:51 <aoei> me neither
20:51 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> why do i never find instruments
20:52 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> i always get to medusa/castle and quit because i dont have anything
20:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Bin Bat Fem Non), 351 points, T:457, killed by a giant bat
20:53 <NetSysFire> @v?medusa
20:53 <Beholder> Medusa (@) | Lvl: 20 | Diff: 25 | Spd: 12 | Res: poison petrification | Confers: poison | MR: 50 | Generates: unique | AC: 2 | Attacks: 2d4 weapon physical, 1d8 claw physical, 0d0 gaze petrification, 1d6 bite drain str | Alignment: -15 | Flags: omnivore, flies, swims, amphibious, poisonous, nopoly, infravisible
20:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 53958 points, T:14831, [0:40:20], quit
20:53 <NetSysFire> @e?medusa
20:53 <Beholder> Medusa (@) | Lvl: 24 | Diff: 28 | Spd: 12 | Res: poison petrification | Confers: poison | MR: 50 | Generates: unique | AC: -8 | Attacks: 4d4 weapon physical, 2d6 tentacle drain str, 0d0 gaze petrification, 4d4 bite petrification | Alignment: -15 | Flags: omnivore, flies, swims, amphibious, poisonous, nopoly, infravisible
20:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Stardust (DeniedExistence) (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered the Rogue tribute level, on T:15376
20:53 <NetSysFire> ah so i can eat medusas corpse to get poison res? good to know
20:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a vampire lady, on T:11981
20:54 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> you get stoned tho
20:55 <Demo> thats a bonus
20:55 <rld> <@Zefnar> minor inconvenience
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20:55 <nabru> well, if you get stoned, you're poison resistant for the rest of your life
20:56 <rld> <@Zefnar> there’s a cheech marin joke here
20:56 <NetSysFire> you also get stoned when you eat a yellow mold corpse
20:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1417, rt[0:02:55]
21:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Orion (Pri Hum Fem Cha), 10870 points, T:7228, killed by a dwarven priest of Quetzalcoatl
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21:04 <Guest001> Poly into a cockatrice or basilisk and eat the corspe.  Seems one would have poson resist by then, though, eh?
21:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 3194 points, T:3898, [0:10:39], killed by a quasit
21:05 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> ok whatevs medusa is probably enough to win v aoei
21:06 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> lets try eh
21:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:12517
21:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:12517
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21:15 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> whoa gauntlets of protection
21:15 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> haha game ez
21:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Stardust (DeniedExistence) (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 pair of speed boots", on T:16320
21:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] shadowrider38 (Pri Gia Mal Cha), 1220 points, T:3338, killed by a giant spider
21:19 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> mm game hard
21:19 <K2> :)
21:21 <rld> <@Zefnar> hee haw
21:23 <K2> rawr
21:23 <Demo> i played evilhack today
21:24 <Demo> then i got soko 2a
21:24 <Demo> and logged
21:24 <K2> hah
21:25 <Demo> im pretty sure soko 2a was only added to make ppl more productive at work
21:25 <Demo> give them a reason to stop fucking around
21:28 <jonadab> soko2a was invented to give the Evil Variant a starting point.
21:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:14004
21:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Warrior, on T:14228
21:32 <K2> 2a isnt so bad
21:33 <K2> i've done it so many times, could do it asleep as long as its not flipped/rotated
21:33 <rld> <@Kes> I dislike 2a
21:33 <rld> <@Kes> It takes so long
21:33 <K2> its not my favorite
21:36 <Umbire> It's more tedious than actually bad imo, but it's also one I have to actually pay attention on so
21:37 <jonadab> The thing I dislike about 2a, is that there are numerous places in it where a typo, pushing a boulder one tile too far by holding a key slightly too long for instance, breaks the puzzle.
21:37 <jonadab> And yes, it takes longer than other puzzles of comparable size and number of boulders.
21:37 <rld> <@Arawn> 2a has too many setup moves before you actually start dropping rocks in holes, and I always forget them.
21:38 <rld> <@Arawn> It and 4a are the only ones I still need a guide for.
21:40 <Umbire> I have all the default Soko levels memorized
21:40 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> oddly the ones i misinput on the most is 3a and 3b
21:40 <jonadab> How do you feel about the one where all the boulders start out stacked on one tile, and you have to unstack them before you can start sinking them?
21:40 <NetSysFire> i hate sokoban in general
21:40 <NetSysFire> controversial opinion ^
21:41 <jonadab> You're not alone, @NetSysFire.  In fact, I sort of feel like those of us who like it are outnumbered.
21:41 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> i enjoy it
21:41 <NetSysFire> we shall found the sokoban resistance force
21:41 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> its a nice change of pace
21:41 <NetSysFire> ..until you get a chamelon imitating an arch lich
21:42 <jonadab> Heh.
21:42 <jonadab> Chameleons can spice up any level they appear on.
21:42 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> well that could be anywhere tho lol
21:42 <jonadab> But yes, Sokoban is right about at the depth where they tend to start generating.
21:42 <NetSysFire> well, fair point
21:42 <rld> <@Arawn> I like it conceptually, it's fun to include a puzzle in what is otherwise an all-combat game. Especially in dnh, since monsters can't spawn in the puzzle zone to ruin everything. But having done all the puzzles a lot it does get old.
21:42 <NetSysFire> but then they snatch the wands and use them against you
21:42 <NetSysFire> wand of death? good luck
21:42 <NetSysFire> at least its a quick death
21:43 <rld> <@Arawn> No problem, just get the amulet of reflection from... wait...
21:43 <jonadab> Oh, ais523 has proposed a solution for the "I've already done that puzzle a thousand times it's boring" problem.
21:43 <jonadab> He proposes generating Sokoban levels fresh each game.
21:43 <rld> <@riker> i would rather die (in-game) than deal with fresh soko levels every time
21:43 <jonadab> The problem with this is, people who dislike Sokoban, basically see it as the devil incarnate.
21:44 <rld> <@Arawn> Right, the "any change to Sokoban upsets 2/3rds of the playerbase" effect.
21:44 <jonadab> Oh, I made a couple of Sokoban changes in Fourk that didn't upset anyone.
21:45 <NetSysFire> ..yet
21:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] yen0 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1611 points, T:3936, killed by a soldier ant
21:45 <jonadab> For example, nobody has complained about there not being a luck penalty once the Sokoban zoo is entered.
21:46 <jonadab> Also, nobody has complained about there not being a luck penalty if you are hallucinating.
21:46 <jonadab> People have complained about the levels I added.
21:46 <jonadab> And about the fact that I *didn't* make certain changes.
21:46 <jonadab> For example, at least one player complained that I didn't nuke Sokoban from orbit.
21:47 <rld> <@Arawn> Those QOL things sound nice. You could even use the hallu one to your advantage if you had a potion.
21:47 <jonadab> I don't remember if anyone complained about the prize reroll.
21:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:14749
21:48 <K2> <@Arawn> Right, the "any change to Sokoban upsets 2/3rds of the playerbase" effect. <--- depends on the change
21:48 <K2> not 'any'
21:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed ring of conflict", on T:14749
21:48 <jonadab> YOu generally have a potion of hallu if you enter Sokoban in Fourk.
21:48 <jonadab> Since there are three of them on the Oracle level.
21:49 <K2> adding more sokoban level to evilhack was well recived. devteam flipping existing sokoban levels in vanilla 3.7, not so much
21:49 <jonadab> Which, I did that *mainly* to give players an easy way to identify hallu early.  But I chose the Oracle level specifically, because it's close to Sokoban.
21:49 <K2> *received
21:49 <jonadab> Yeah, the flipping is divisive.
21:49 <jonadab> Some people feel that it's good because it prevents muscle memory.
21:49 <jonadab> Other people feel that it is Satanic because it messes up muscle memory.
21:49 <Umbire> I wouldn't mind a few flips here and there but on its own it isn't much variety
21:49 <K2> jury is still out if i disable soko flipping on 370-hdf or not. optimally i'd make it a user choice players can set in their cfg
21:50 <Umbire> That's more of an issue to me than not being able to literally sleepwalk through floors
21:50 <Umbire> which if anything means I'm all the more likely to fuck it up
21:50 <Demo> remove soko
21:51 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> If it was just introduced in the first place as flipped there would be no problem
21:51 <Demo> replace with quinesweeper
21:51 <Demo> don't ask how quinesweeper works
21:51 <rld> <@Arawn> Flipping feels like a change that doesn't really satisfy anybody.
21:51 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> I started playing 3.7 and it’s was not hard to learn the flips by memory when you are fresh coming into it
21:51 <jonadab> Demo: How about if I replace it with a writing-in-the-dust version of Sudoku?
21:52 <jonadab> Wherein certain numbers are permanently burned, and you have to write the rest in the dust and make the puzzle complete.
21:52 <jonadab> And you have a certain number of turns to do so, or you die.
21:52 <Demo> sudoko has been suggested a lot
21:52 <jonadab> And monsters keep disturbing the writing...
21:53 <Demo> nobody has ever suggested quinesweeper but also nobody has invented quinesweeper yet
21:53 <jonadab> Demo: Because it's Japanese and has a name that starts with S, so when people think "What else could there be besides Sokoban?", it comes up.
21:54 <rld> <@Arawn> This is easy, just replace Sokoban with Bejeweled.
21:54 <jonadab> I mean, I assume quinesweeper would involve writing a program in some domain-specific language, that clears a minefield and writes its own source code into the space where the minefield was.
21:54 <Demo> probably something like that i don't really wanna be the one to unpack what it means
21:55 <jonadab> Or else you write the program in the dust, and when it runs it has to completely erase itself.
21:55 <Demo> I liked the first option
21:55 <jonadab> Which, if the language is befunge-like, could be tricky.
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21:57 <Umbire> I don't mind the flips but so much, I just would prefer new floors over flipping if I had to pick exclusively between them
21:58 <Demo> that does remind me that I wanted to do that
21:58 <Demo> shit I think I typed about it here
21:58 <Demo> a level where you can run a befunge like language using placed objects on the floor
21:58 <Demo> each turn is one computational move
21:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:15116
22:00 <jonadab> And can you walk around on the level placing and removing objects while the program is executing?
22:00 <jonadab> That could be... interesting.
22:00 <jonadab> But also mind-bending.
22:01 <Demo> yes
22:01 <Demo> could even be some sort of puzzle
22:01 <Demo> I forgot where I went with it
22:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Hea Inc Mal Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:16146
22:04 <rld> <@Pacra> replace sokoban with chip's challenge levels
22:06 <Demo> noooo
22:09 <K2> EvilHack updated (all servers)
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22:17 <Umbire> What's the update.
22:17 <jonadab> Umbire: Sokoban levels can now be rotated 180 degrees.
22:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Swashbuckler, on T:16267
22:19 <Demo> uhhh wtf
22:19 <Demo> my soko level was rotated in evilhack
22:19 <Demo> 720 degrees...
22:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] vor (Mad Dwa Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:8006
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22:25 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Pri Gia Mal Neu), 436 points, T:1425, killed by a mountain dwarf
22:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] monsignor (Bin Orc Mal Non), 7719 points, T:5233, killed by a small crossbow bolt
22:31 <rld> <@Zefnar> What’s that new(ish) Wii game where you run around preparing sushi plates?
22:32 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> Sushi striker?
22:32 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> Overcooked?
22:32 <rld> <@Zefnar> This one
22:32 <rld> <Zefnar> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/880640851393523812/image0.jpg
22:32 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> That’s overcooked
22:32 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> Amazing game
22:32 <rld> <@Zefnar> Instead of pushing boulders into pits, you prepare dinner plates
22:32 <rld> <@Zefnar> That’s my proposal
22:33 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> All the food you find in soko you have to prepare into a meal
22:33 <rld> <@Zefnar> Monsters still spawn but instead of Hostile/Peaceful they’re Weak/Hungry/Satiated
22:33 <rld> <@Zefnar> The Balrog eats the tin of smoked newt. The Balrog is having a tough time getting it all down.
22:36 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] monsignor (Bin Orc Mal Non), 371 points, T:621, killed by a hobbit
22:46 <Muad> the balrog has wings. The balrog chokes over the wings.. 
22:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] meek (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1344 points, T:2168, killed by a dwarf
22:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] meek (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 476 points, T:850, killed by a hobgoblin
23:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Cha) killed Orcus, on T:86247
23:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:6675
23:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Pri Gia Mal Neu) became literate by engraving "asd", on T:4421
23:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] meek (Val Hum Fem Law), 168 points, T:720, killed by a gas spore's explosion
23:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Hea Inc Mal Neu) wished for "blessed spellbook of identify", on T:20340
23:07 <DeniedExistence> jonadab do you think you could give knights a confirmation prompt for attacking fleeing/sleeping enemies? It's way to easy to lose alignment
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23:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Pri Gia Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (gnomish wizards), on T:5717
23:09 <NetSysFire> "You hesitate to attack this fleeing foe. Strike anyway?"
23:10 <DeniedExistence> yeah something like that would be perfect tbh
23:10 <DeniedExistence> in vanilla its fine because you get so much alignement from killing anyway, but here I'm struggling just to maintain positive alignment without cheesing anything
23:10 <NetSysFire> paranoid_knight
23:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Pri Gia Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:6860
23:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] vor (Mad Dwa Mal Law), 37024 points, T:9352, killed by an iron golem
23:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] vor (Mad Dwa Mal Law), 231 points, T:289, killed by a sewer rat
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23:36 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] dpmdpm (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 445 points, T:1040, killed by a giant mimic
23:36 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] meek (Val Hum Fem Law), 1162 points, T:2569, killed by a large cat
23:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Hea Inc Mal Neu) was given their Quest, on T:26245
23:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] vor (Mad Dwa Mal Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:3390