00:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Wiz Dop Fem Neu), 3198 points, T:2697, killed by something while blind
00:02 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> How much does mjollnir even sell for
00:02 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> Naming orcrist and sting might be comparable but I’m not sure
00:04 <rld> <@JesseB34R> 500
00:07 <Muad> smoky obj det =)
00:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] RedArrow (Pri Hum Mal Law), 1246 points, T:2940, killed by a hill orc
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00:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Wiz Dop Fem Neu), 1706 points, T:1912, killed by a giant ant
00:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 1788 points, T:4192, killed by a werewolf
00:21 <rld> <@Pacra> oof, brutal run
00:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Cha) destroyed Vecna, on T:79233
00:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Wiz Dop Fem Neu), 2885 points, T:1995, killed by a kitten
00:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] jesseb34r (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:8594
00:35 <rld> <@JesseB34R> amulet of reflection acuired
00:36 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Cha) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:79641
00:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] icarus (Bin Orc Fem Non) averted death, on T:30383
00:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] sudgy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:29776
00:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] sudgy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fireproof +2 speed boots", on T:29890
00:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] vor (Mad Dwa Fem Law), 109595 points, T:15291, killed by an Aurumach Rilmani
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00:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] jesseb34r (Val Dwa Fem Law), 15334 points, T:9252, killed by a soldier ant
00:58 <rld> <@JesseB34R> rip
00:58 <rld> <@JesseB34R> those soldier ants are scary
01:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] DeathDealer (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 10819 points, T:43144, killed by a queen bee
01:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] sudgy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:31206
01:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] sudgy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) made his first artifact wish - "blessed rustproof master key of thievery", on T:31252
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01:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] vor (Mad Dwa Fem Law), 7959 points, T:3141, killed by a gnome king zombie
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01:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) killed the Oracle, on T:28448
01:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] vor (Mad Dwa Mal Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1160
01:57 <rld> <@SpicyCebolla> yani - #kickmode which replaces your melee attacks with a kick, and #jumpmode which replaces normal movement with an attempt to jump as far as possible in that direction
02:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Orion (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:2628
02:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Orion (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Pacra's ghost, the former Excursionist, on T:2823
02:12 <aoei> NetSysFire: you poked me
02:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] arbelf (Pri Hum Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1834
02:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] vor (Mad Dwa Mal Law), 9070 points, T:2115, killed by a crossbow bolt
02:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] arbelf (Pri Hum Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +3 gold dragon scale mail", on T:1962
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02:26 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Orion (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Pacra's ghost, the former Excursionist, on T:3789
02:27 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] bragi (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 1800 points, T:2323, killed by a killer bee
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02:34 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Cha) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:55699
02:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] arbelf (Pri Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:3587
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02:39 <Beholder> [hdf-au] [nh370] Orcranger (Bar Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:7118
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02:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Arawn (Ana Hum Fem Neu) killed Axus, on T:19873
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02:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] vor (Mad Dwa Mal Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:3246
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02:58 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] bragi (Mon Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2473
03:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] vor (Mad Dwa Mal Law), 5589 points, T:3721, killed by a dwarf
03:03 <Beholder> [hdf-au] [nh370] Orcranger (Bar Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Hekik's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:8190
03:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] icarus (Bin Orc Fem Non) was given the Pen of the Void, on T:36973
03:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] vor (Mad Dwa Fem Law), 65 points, T:183, killed by a marid
03:06 <Beholder> [hdf-au] [nh370] Orcranger (Bar Hum Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:8233
03:06 <Beholder> [hdf-au] [nh370] Orcranger (Bar Hum Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:8262
03:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Bin Bat Mal Non) averted death, on T:7953
03:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Bin Bat Mal Non) completed Sokoban, on T:8027
03:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] icarus (Bin Orc Fem Non) was given Premium Heart, on T:37386
03:16 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [un] wvc (Con Vam Fem Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1818, rt[0:04:32]
03:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Arawn (Ana Hum Fem Neu) killed Oona, on T:21570
03:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] vor (Mad Dwa Fem Law), 2071 points, T:1093, killed by a killer bee
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03:27 <Beholder> [hdf-au] [nh370] Orcranger (Bar Hum Mal Cha) attained the rank of Brigand, on T:8955
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03:30 <Beholder> [hdf-au] [nh370] Orcranger (Bar Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:9355
03:31 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] greenbourne277 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) destroyed bragi's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:14812
03:32 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] greenbourne277 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a baby white dragon, on T:14826
03:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] vor (Mad Dwa Mal Law), 1863 points, T:1303, killed by a parrot
03:37 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] icarus (Bin Orc Fem Non) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:38116
03:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] arbelf (Pri Hum Fem Cha) killed the Oracle, on T:5377
03:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] arbelf (Pri Hum Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:5801
03:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] vor (Mad Dwa Mal Law), 1282 points, T:1294, killed by a garter snake
03:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] vor (Mad Dwa Mal Law), 54 points, T:74, killed by a fox
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03:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) killed Croesus, on T:31929
04:07 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] bragi (Mon Hum Fem Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:5648
04:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] arbelf (Pri Hum Fem Cha) attained the rank of Priestess, on T:7594
04:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] arbelf (Pri Hum Fem Cha) entered the Bigroom, on T:8955
04:32 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] bragi (Mon Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:6701
04:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] vor (Mad Dwa Mal Law), 7968 points, T:3938, killed by a parrot
04:37 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Con Hum Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2853
04:48 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Con Hum Mal Cha), 20452 points, T:3788, killed by a black pudding
04:50 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [xnh] mobileuser (Cav Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Wanderer, on T:3642
04:53 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Con Hum Mal Cha), 333 points, T:630, killed by a hobbit
05:01 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Con Hum Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1495
05:01 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Con Hum Mal Cha), 1876 points, T:1519, killed by a watchman
05:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] icarus (Bin Orc Fem Non) destroyed Acererak, on T:48052
05:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] pybit (Val Dwa Fem Law), 587 points, T:2009, killed by a rothe
05:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] pybit (Val Dwa Fem Law) murdered kiki, her faithful kitten, on T:15
05:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] icarus (Bin Orc Fem Non) killed Axus, on T:48336
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05:13 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Con Hum Mal Cha), 4245 points, T:2028, killed by a phase spider
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05:16 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] bragi (Mon Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:9143
05:17 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Con Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 Quicksilver", on T:398
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05:21 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Con Hum Mal Cha), 1253 points, T:996, crunched in the head by an iron ball
05:25 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [xnh] mobileuser (Cav Hum Fem Neu) reached Minetown, on T:4016
05:25 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [xnh] mobileuser (Cav Hum Fem Neu) entered a temple, on T:4016
05:28 <Beholder> [hdf-au] [un] PeachMuffin (Arc Gno Mal Neu), 558 points, T:917, killed by a wererat
05:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Stardust (DeniedExistence) (Kni Hum Fem Law), 9834 points, T:3709, killed by a soldier ant
05:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] icarus (Bin Orc Fem Non) destroyed the Arsenal, on T:49756
05:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] icarus (Bin Orc Fem Non) killed Oona, on T:50018
05:34 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Con Hum Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2005
05:35 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Con Hum Mal Cha), 4661 points, T:2125, killed by a watch captain
05:40 <APic> Fsck. Forgot that i am a Gnome even though my Symbol is a G, and i commited Cannibalism ☹
05:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] richards (Kni Hum Mal Law), 305 points, T:472, killed by a wererat
05:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon him by Hermes, on T:32722
05:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:7729
05:44 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] APic (Hea Gno Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:4523
05:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] pybit (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur from a strange woman laying about in a pond, on T:3380
05:49 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] bragi (Mon Hum Fem Law), 22934 points, T:10481, killed by a jaguar
05:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] richards (Kni Hum Mal Law) entered Minetown, on T:1012, rt[0:09:05]
05:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:33175
05:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "holy greased +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:8178
05:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] richards (Kni Hum Mal Law) entered a temple, on T:1139, rt[0:10:55]
05:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] pybit (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:4108
05:57 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Bigroom, on T:8724
05:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] pybit (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1648 points, T:5565, killed by a paper golem, while fainted from lack of food
06:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) killed the Cyclops, on T:33827
06:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:33828
06:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Woman-at-arms, on T:9676
06:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Stardust (DeniedExistence) (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered the Minetown temple, on T:3298
06:17 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Con Hum Mal Cha), 2037 points, T:1785, killed by a gnome lord
06:37 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Con Hum Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:3327
06:42 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Con Hum Mal Cha), 10905 points, T:3925, killed by a watch captain, while praying
06:52 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:13021
07:02 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] seppokalevi7 (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 33 points, T:292, killed by a sewer rat
07:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] icarus (Bin Orc Fem Non) killed Sir Garland, on T:54573
07:04 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] seppokalevi7 (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 8 points, T:49, killed by a fox
07:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] icarus (Bin Orc Fem Non) killed the Nightmare, on T:54736
07:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] icarus (Bin Orc Fem Non) destroyed Lich, the Fiend of Earth, on T:54765
07:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] icarus (Bin Orc Fem Non) killed Kary, the Fiend of Fire, on T:54973
07:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] icarus (Bin Orc Fem Non) killed Kraken, the Fiend of Water, on T:55071
07:13 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] seppokalevi7 (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 370 points, T:919, killed by a gnome lord
07:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Stardust (DeniedExistence) (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered the Sokoban zoo, on T:6799
07:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] icarus (Bin Orc Fem Non) killed Tiamat, the Fiend of Wind, on T:55212
07:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] icarus (Bin Orc Fem Non) killed Garland, on T:55486
07:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] icarus (Bin Orc Fem Non) destroyed Chaos, on T:55501
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07:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:15177
07:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law), 154743 points, T:15192, poisoned by a vampire bat
07:27 <K2> morning
07:28 <APic> Hi
07:28 <Beholder> Hello APic, Welcome to #hardfought
07:28 <amateurhour> Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought
07:29 <K2> o/
07:29 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] APic (Hea Gno Fem Neu) entered a temple, on T:4754
07:30 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 246 points, T:343, slipped while mounting a saddled pony
07:31 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] seppokalevi7 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 519 points, T:1215, killed by a little dog
07:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Dra Elf Mal Neu), 150 points, T:313, slipped while mounting a saddled baby white dragon
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07:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Wiz Ang Mal Cha), 298 points, T:749, killed by an arrow
07:43 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] APic (Hea Gno Fem Neu) attained the rank of Embalmer, on T:5156
07:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] peterg (Val Dwa Mal Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:12985
07:52 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] peterg (Val Dwa Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:12987
07:52 <rld> <@nabru> Mornin'
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07:53 <amateurhour> @nabru: Pong!
07:55 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] seppokalevi7 (Val Hum Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:1926
07:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Stardust (DeniedExistence) (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered the Minetown temple, on T:3877
07:59 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] seppokalevi7 (Val Hum Fem Law) murdered her faithful kitten, on T:2144
07:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Stardust (DeniedExistence) (Kni Hum Fem Law), 10290 points, T:3906, killed by a priestess of Manannan Mac Lir
08:03 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] seppokalevi7 (Val Hum Fem Law), 785 points, T:2379, killed by a water demon
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08:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:40151
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08:39 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Cha), 827790 points, T:56621, killed by a touch of death
08:40 <rebatela> somehow took eyes off :( 
08:40 * rebatela shrugs
08:41 <K2> gnollhack web based rc config file editor is active now
08:41 <K2> rebatela did you not have MR?
08:41 <rebatela> i was wearing eyes of the overworld (not sure how i took them off)
08:41 <amateurhour> gnollhack is pretty fun 
08:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] icarus (Bin Orc Fem Non) became the Emissary of Elements, on T:59741
08:42 <rebatela> !lastgame
08:42 <Beholder> rebatela: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rebatela/evilhack/dumplog/1629237137.evil.html | [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/D/DeniedExistence/nhfourk/dumps/2021-08-25%2011%3A59%3A37%2C%20Stardust-Kni-Hum-Fem-Law%2C%20died.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/P/PeachMuffin/unnethack/dumplog/1629883126.un.txt.html
08:42 <rebatela> so fucking weird 
08:44 <rebatela> looks like saddle got cursed but that would have made my glasses fall off... 
08:44 <rebatela> wouldn't*
08:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Zefnar (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:14262
08:44 <rld> <@Zefnar> wow so...
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08:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Stardust (DeniedExistence) (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered the Minetown temple, on T:4161
08:45 <rld> <@Zefnar> going through mines, i find a gray stone that is kickable, not lodestone. i pick it up and rub a dagger on it, not a touch stone
08:45 <rld> <@Zefnar> name object "not touch"
08:45 <rld> <@Zefnar> later, find another stone called not touch. "hmm. ok its gotta be a flint stone then, yea?"
08:45 <aosdict> I usually just name it "flint/luck" at that point
08:45 <rld> <@Zefnar> get to mines end, its the gnome king's wine cellar. dig to the room
08:45 <rld> <@Zefnar> two stones called not touch
08:46 <rld> <@Zefnar> there have been like 4 luckstones generated in these mines then
08:46 <rld> <@Zefnar> jesus
08:46 <aosdict> I think I can spin a true rumor out of this
08:46 <rebatela> Beholder announces when you pick up the guaranteed one 
08:47 <rebatela> i'm so mad right now lol 
08:47 <amateurhour> rebatela: it looks like you took them off on accident
08:47 <rld> <@Zefnar> ill count when i collect them all
08:47 <rebatela> chaotic elven monk is ummm kinda hard to get to that point
08:47 <rld> <@Zefnar> at least 3 but i think 4
08:47 <rebatela> amateurhour: yeah i know :( 
08:47 <amateurhour> do you have paranoid Remove? it looks like you accidentally hit R
08:47 <rebatela> I didn't know paranoid remove could be done
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08:48 <rld> <@Zefnar> this is how i was able to confirm
08:48 <amateurhour> you know how if you only have one piece of jewellery on
08:48 <rebatela> but I keep it on capital o so to hit capital R capital O, I dunno obviously i did it 
08:48 <amateurhour> paranoid removes still prompts if there's only one thing equipped
08:48 <rebatela> oh then yes i think i have it on 
08:48 <rebatela> jesus i hope so 
08:48 <rebatela> if not, then that's what happened
08:48 <rebatela> I didn't know it would do that ! 
08:49 <amateurhour> I see it in your rc file but I didn't see a prompt in the ttyrec
08:49 <rebatela> I thought you had to type letter. dammit 
08:49 <rebatela> i probably wasn't wearing any rings 
08:49 <rebatela> and then hit R by itself
08:49 <rebatela> that sucks
08:49 <rebatela> I need to turn on paranoid remove for sure then 
08:49 <amateurhour> but I see it in your rc file so I don't understand how there was no prompt
08:49 <rebatela> oh 
08:50 <rebatela> I mean, whenever I drop stuff on altar (which was right before that branch) I would see that I'm wearing them. I'm paranoid on my own that I notice at that point 
08:50 <amateurhour> yeah you seemed to take it off after killing a sabre toothed tiger in ice queen branch
08:50 <K2> how much alcohol was involved in this game rebatela :P
08:50 <rebatela> none today :(
08:50 <K2> today haha
08:51 <rebatela> none when I lost ! 
08:51 <K2> :/
08:52 <amateurhour> oh I'm blind there was a prompt
08:52 <rebatela> but i wasn't wearing an amulet?
08:52 <amateurhour> slowed it down to see better
08:52 <rebatela> when was I ever not wearing rings or an amulet and just the eyes? 
08:52 <rld> <@Zefnar> 3 luck stones. not 4
08:52 <amateurhour> you were and two rings
08:52 <rld> <@Zefnar> hm i thought there was a 4th one around here somewhere
08:52 <amateurhour> flying and protection and slow digestion
08:53 <rebatela> so I must have hit R O?
08:53 <amateurhour> yeah that's what it looks like
08:53 <rebatela> oh ok. that's fine. I mean, that's what I figuerd i did all along. Wasn't blaming the game lol 
08:53 <amateurhour> I was
08:53 <rebatela> hehe
08:53 <amateurhour> but I retract my blame
08:54 <amateurhour> K2 you got off this time, but don't count on getting away with shenanigans in the future!!
08:54 <rebatela> man, it's hard. Fun though ! 
08:54 <rebatela> haha
08:55 <K2> but... but...
08:55 <Umbire> What happened?
09:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Pri Gia Fem Law), 38463 points, T:14300, killed by a mountain centaur
09:02 <Umbire> Fucking a.
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09:03 <Umbire> Love being kicked to pieces outside prayer range
09:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Stardust (DeniedExistence) (Kni Hum Fem Law), 11115 points, T:4842, killed by a leocrotta, while sleeping off potion vapours
09:07 <rld> <@Zefnar> nope, there it is. the 4th luckstone was in a different stash
09:07 <rld> <@Zefnar> its too bad they dont stack
09:11 <rld> <@riker> took me too long to realize you meant "luckstone luck doesn't stack" not "luckstones don't stack" since i was really wondering how you could make any 4 non-named items not stack
09:12 <rld> <@riker> though actually you could probably get up to 6 stacks - ID'd and unID'd of each BUC
09:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Zefnar (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:15972
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09:16 <Umbire> I'm probably just gonna resume bringing boulders back in Soko because clearly wanting to avoid luck penalties does fuck all for me.
09:19 <amateurhour> can you wish for burnt luckstones or whatever to get more stacks?
09:19 <amateurhour> idk if that's even a thing
09:19 <amateurhour> whatever the equivalent of erosion is for lil magic rocks
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09:21 <K2> no
09:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] Bartlem (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed +3 helm of brilliance", on T:33538
09:22 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] TheShinxs (Bar Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2661
09:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Zefnar (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered the Bigroom, on T:16613
09:25 <aosdict> there have been some proposals to change the luckstone system so that multiple ones do stack
09:26 <aosdict> for instance, each carried luckstone is +1 or +2 to base luck (what it times out to), but they no longer prevent luck from timing out
09:26 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> Ew
09:27 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> So you actually need to get a ton of luckstones and carry them around
09:27 <amateurhour> you don't _need_ to
09:27 <aosdict> well, or just live with not having constant +13 luck
09:27 <amateurhour> it's just a crutch for irl luck anyway
09:28 <aosdict> the biggest power jump in luck is from +0 to +1 anyway
09:28 <aosdict> (or -1 to +0 depending on how you look at it)
09:28 <NetSysFire> aoei: i was sleeping but now i am awake and hope you are too
09:28 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> Well sure I’m not one to max out on luck
09:28 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> But lots of people do
09:29 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> In fact that would make crowning extremely difficult
09:29 <aosdict> not really, you can just altarfest your way to it
09:29 <aosdict> it would be easy to get your luck to max temporarily
09:29 <Demo> you would be surprised how fast luck times out vs how fast monsters spawn
09:29 <Demo> ive had times where i cant get it up without a couple wands of create monster
09:30 <Umbire> Once you have a luckstone keeping luck high tends to be fairly triival
09:30 <Umbire> trivial* even
09:30 <Demo> cause monster spawn and corpse luck is slower than luck timeout
09:30 <aosdict> K2's innuendo sense is tingling
09:30 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) destroyed bragi's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:5545
09:31 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> Umbire the point was luckstones wouldn’t prevent luck timing out
09:31 <Demo> yeah that one was a freebie
09:31 <Umbire> If you had more than one
09:31 <Umbire> So I tend to carry one in open and then bag/stash any others I've come across
09:32 <K2> :)
09:32 <Umbire> Keep them as backups in case my main one gets cursed
09:32 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> I suppose that would just make create monster more important
09:33 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> Because no way you are getting like 10 luckstones before gehennom without unreal patience
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09:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] burningchrome (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:25594
09:33 <Umbire> That's not even remotely necessary to boot
09:34 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] TheShinxs (Bar Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:3511
09:34 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> Well for chars that want to crown
09:34 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> You would have to max luck and sac in a short amount of time
09:35 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] TheShinxs (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 3516 points, T:3517, killed by an owlbear
09:35 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> Tbf I think I’ve actually crowned accidentally before so maybe it’s not that hard to do with regular spawns
09:36 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1162 points, T:1398, killed by a giant spider
09:37 <Umbire> Yeah, from what I've seen people tend to go out of their way to avoid premature crowning more than anything
09:37 <Umbire> Seen advice on the wiki about intentionally lowering Luck to that end
09:38 <Demo> dnh changes crowning so it can only happen over 10 luck so you need to be carrying a luckstone for it to even be possible
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09:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 5514 points, T:5856, killed by a leocrotta
09:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:5866
09:40 <amateurhour> do you have to do the quest Demo, or can you luck into it before then?
09:40 <Demo> you have to complete the quest
09:40 <Demo> which means giving your quest leader the qa
09:41 <Demo> so if they get killed by a wood troll right after you accept, rip
09:41 <Demo> you should probably go rage suicide to smaug if that happens
09:41 <qt> i love crowning because it validates my concept of myself as a pretty princess
09:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Zefnar (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "magic marker named quivering blob blue", on T:17531
09:41 <Demo> but pick up the QA first so you get the jnh achieve
09:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:42585
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09:42 <aosdict> qt: yes the pretty princess named Glory of Arioch
09:42 <aosdict> on a throne of skulls
09:43 <amateurhour> YANI: if you get crowned as Envoy of Balance (crowned as neutral) you never fumble or slip on ice
09:43 <Demo> tried to get an ai website to generate what ndnh archipelago branch looks like and it made this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/389212978030968832/880084883521806347/ndnharchipleago.png
09:43 <amateurhour> some may say that's a YASI but it's funny and makes sense
09:43 <amateurhour> lol nice
09:43 <amateurhour> not a single gillyweed in that picture, accurate :^)
09:44 <Demo> you dont know what the green stuff underwater is
09:44 <aosdict> that looks like 50% map 50% Elder Thing
09:44 <Demo> yeah i think it got confused because there is an elder thing
09:45 <Demo> here's what it made for the ice caves. i dont like this one as much https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/389212978030968832/880085603255980062/ndnhicecaves.png
09:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Stardust (DeniedExistence) (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered the Minetown temple, on T:3545
09:48 <aoei> NetSysFire: i am awake
09:48 <aoei> what is up
09:49 <NetSysFire> i need to discuss this in private may i drop you a /query?
09:49 <aoei> (im also at work so replies may be slow)
09:49 <aoei> um sure
09:49 <Umbire> Hi NetSysFire 
09:49 <NetSysFire> hello Umbire
09:50 <NetSysFire> how are things?
09:50 <qt> NetSysFire: if you want to say something about me say it to my face
09:50 <Umbire> Not great
09:50 <NetSysFire> in nethack or irl?
09:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Magician, on T:6699
09:51 <NetSysFire> !whereis Umbire
09:51 <Beholder> NetSysFire: [hdf-us] Umbire [evil]: (Pri Gia Mal Law) T:336 The Dungeons of Doom level: 2
09:51 <NetSysFire> qt: alright. i want to make fun of you dying in pvp to my ghost months ago
09:52 <Umbire> Former primarily
09:52 <qt> i take it back, that really hurt my feelings, next time you want to say something about me please do it in private to aoei
09:53 <qt> aoei: you can secretly pass it along to me but ONLY if it's a nice thing
09:56 <Umbire> Oh, K2, does cancellation negate object properties?
09:56 <rld> <@Zefnar> Show of hands: how many people have picked a fight with the priest in the minetown temple and lived to tell the tale
09:57 <rld> <@Zefnar> I’d really like access to an altar for sacrifice and prayer and that’s the only one I’ve found so far
09:57 <K2> no
09:57 <Demo> yeah late game sometimes i just feed them a bunch of money for protection and kill them and take it back and feed it to someone else
09:57 <Umbire> no
09:57 <Demo> like after doing ludios
09:57 <rld> <@Zefnar> I lucked into a potion of holy water so I had a seed to generate a larger stack, but I’d still like to have access to generating more and also sacrificing for magebane
09:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Ran Mer Mal Neu), 197 points, T:685, killed by a dwarf
09:58 <Demo> it's possible to win that fight if you cheese it the right way AND get lucky but not something I would recommend
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09:58 <rld> <@Zefnar> K that’s all I needed to hear lol
09:58 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> I’ve done it numerous times
09:59 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> Usually only when there’s no other altar in the main dungeon tho
09:59 <Demo> isn't this in evilhack as well?
09:59 <rld> <@Zefnar> No this is 3.7
09:59 <Demo> oh
09:59 <Umbire> It's plenty doable, wide berth between that and "recommendable"
09:59 <Demo> what xlvl what AC what would u even be attacking with?
09:59 <rld> <@Zefnar> I think I’ll keep holding off for now but it’s looking more and more likely
09:59 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> Scroll of earth works with no risk if you are careful
10:00 <rld> <@Zefnar> 11 Xlvl and -9 AC I think?
10:00 <Umbire> Yeah, RIP services though
10:00 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> “no”
10:00 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> Any cheese like polymorph or death wand?
10:00 <Graznop> Pets can also take out the priest
10:00 <rld> <@Zefnar> No cheese wand, and pet is dead
10:00 <Umbire> I mean level/AC almost doesn't matter if you get paralyzed
10:00 <Demo> it is possible that it could be wearing a comr
10:00 <rld> <@Zefnar> It’s ok I’ll just keep pressing forward and see what I find
10:00 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> You wanna be careful
10:00 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> What umbire said is correct
10:00 <Umbire> A random warhorse is probably your best candidate
10:01 <Umbire> Pet-wise
10:01 <Umbire> But yeah, meleeing priests without free action/MC3 is hell
10:01 <Demo> oh wait he isn't pissed off already?
10:01 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> Wait really
10:01 <rld> <@Zefnar> I’ve just cleared mines/soko and up to big room, consolidating some inventory, was thinking it would be nice to have an aligned altar
10:01 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> How can warhorse kill a priest but not shopkeeper
10:01 <Demo> you can boulder trap him if its the right shaped room and you are fast enough
10:01 <rld> <@Zefnar> no not pissed yet, was just considering converting the altar
10:01 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> You should hold off
10:02 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> It’s rare that people do it and usually when there are no other options
10:02 <rld> <@Zefnar> Yea I’ll just keep looking
10:02 <rld> <@Zefnar> Just thought I’d touch base and ask
10:02 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> You have holy water as well which is half the reward
10:02 <rld> <@Zefnar> Yea exactly
10:02 <rld> <@Zefnar> Magebane can wait
10:02 <Demo> https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Aligned_priest#Strategy see the part about trapping a priest with boulders
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10:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [4k] Stardust (DeniedExistence) (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:3978
10:06 <Umbire> Warhorses can kill priests and shopkeepers
10:06 <Umbire> But they'll need assistance in both cases
10:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] icarus (Bin Orc Fem Non) killed Mother Hydra, on T:62576
10:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] icarus (Bin Orc Fem Non) killed Father Dagon, on T:62583
10:07 <Umbire> I usually have to keep them away from said @ because they significantly risk dying 
10:07 <NetSysFire> qt: still waiting for an official acknowledgement of this, we need a pvp scoreboard
10:07 <Umbire> On that note, I'm wondering how much of an advantage cauchemar might have against non-orcish shopkeeps and priests
10:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 2450 points, T:2522, killed by a spotted jelly
10:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] zor (Cav Hum Mal Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2306
10:11 <Umbire> (in Evil specifically)
10:12 <K2> they are just as strong as a warhorse, with added benefit of a venomous bite
10:12 <Umbire> Yes, I know
10:12 <Umbire> And it has me wanting to do a think
10:13 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] spontiff (Hea Gno Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2536
10:13 <K2> if you know then why did you ask :)
10:17 <Umbire> I said I was wondering
10:17 <Umbire> Not necessarily asking
10:17 <Umbire> Just may be curious enough to test this somewhere down the line
10:18 <Umbire> wew wererat summoned an enormous rat on me early
10:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law) has been given Excalibur, and now enjoys supreme executive power, on T:2913
10:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3197
10:24 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Emilus85 (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 1078 points, T:2297, killed by a giant bat
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10:36 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] ezion (Pri Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +2 boots of speed", on T:2011
10:37 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Emilus85 (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 509 points, T:1195, killed by a gray ooze
10:41 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] spontiff (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 310 points, T:3404, killed by a giant spider
10:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] ezion (Pri Hum Fem Law) reached Minetown, on T:2625
10:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) murdered his faithful flesh golem, on T:10062
10:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] hothraxxa (Bar Hum Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:4930, rt[1:21:33]
10:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a panther, on T:6223
10:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] pybit (Val Dwa Fem Law) murdered Mr.Smiles, her faithful kitten, on T:941
10:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] ezion (Pri Hum Fem Law), 2802 points, T:3048, killed by an iguana
10:52 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Emilus85 (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 690 points, T:1547, killed by a kitten
10:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) had Angelslayer bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:42947
10:55 <rld> <@Zefnar> unguarded (no priest) altar on Dlvl 18 hell yea
10:55 <rld> <@Zefnar> finally
10:55 <Umbire> GJ
10:57 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:3761
10:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:3911
10:58 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Emilus85 (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 376 points, T:726, killed by an iguana
10:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 8815 points, T:7841, killed by a couatl of Ptah
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11:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Zefnar (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 81294 points, T:21231, killed by a mumak
11:01 <rld> <@Zefnar> hahahahahahaha
11:01 <rld> <@Zefnar> adakjsdhfalkdjf
11:01 <amateurhour> r u ok there Zef
11:01 <froggles> What level were you at?
11:01 <rld> <@Zefnar> didnt want to carry the mumak corpse so i stabbed him and had him follow me to the altar
11:01 <rld> <@Zefnar> missed him like 15 times
11:01 <froggles> Mumak hit pretty hard but are slow
11:01 <rld> <@Zefnar> and he killed m
11:01 <rld> <@Zefnar> lmao
11:01 <amateurhour> ouch
11:01 <rld> <@Zefnar> !lastgame zefnar
11:01 <Beholder> @Zefnar: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/Z/Zefnar/nethack/dumplog/1629807701.nh.html
11:01 <rld> <@Zefnar> was pulling monsters from the zoo on the right
11:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) had a leather armor entrusted to her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:43080
11:02 <amateurhour> F
11:02 <rld> <@Zefnar> ah what a way to die, what a game to die
11:03 <froggles> Man you still had 2 wishes left
11:03 <rld> <@Zefnar> literally missed 12 times
11:03 <rld> <@Zefnar> insane
11:04 <froggles> Did it kill you in two hits?
11:04 <froggles> Oh nvm. What hp were you on before the last hit?
11:04 <rld> <@Zefnar> not sure, like 1/3 or so
11:04 <rld> <@Zefnar> i thought it was enough
11:04 <rld> <@Zefnar> he must have rolled high
11:04 <amateurhour> it's definitely not enough for mumaks lol
11:04 <amateurhour> @v?mumak
11:04 <Beholder> mumak (q) | Lvl: 5 | Diff: 7 | Spd: 9 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 0 | Attacks: 4d12 butt physical, 2d6 bite physical | Alignment: -2 | Flags: genocidable, herbivore, thick hide, infravisible
11:04 <rld> <@Zefnar> yea i didnt see they do FOUR d12s
11:05 <froggles> 4d12
11:05 <froggles> 48 dmg
11:05 <amateurhour> plus a casual 2d6
11:05 <Umbire> lmfao you do not trifle with mumak
11:05 <rld> <@Zefnar> theyre heavy af tho didnt want to risk it not dying on altar's tile
11:05 <Umbire> Did you not have spells to kill it with
11:05 <froggles> Well it looks like he missed 12 times with the spells
11:05 <amateurhour> lol Umbire
11:05 <froggles> :P
11:05 <Umbire> Hold on 
11:05 <amateurhour> hey Zefnar, next time try using SPELLS to kill it :P
11:06 <froggles> hahhaha
11:06 <rld> <@Zefnar> i stand by my choice, just bad RNG
11:06 <rld> <@Zefnar> happens
11:06 <Umbire> Force bolt against 0 AC
11:06 <Umbire> unfortunately that's gonna happen
11:06 <Umbire> Even by that standard you were hilariously unlucky though
11:07 <froggles> It's true but it's always good to analyse how you could have succeeded. Looks like you had slow monster wand. Could've kited
11:07 <Umbire> Did you have the wands ID'd?
11:07 <rld> <@Zefnar> i did, yea
11:07 <rld> <@Zefnar> its risk/reward i didnt think it was worth using expendable resources for it
11:07 <rld> <@Zefnar> again, in hindsight, i suppose it was
11:07 <rld> <@Zefnar> c'est la vie
11:07 <Umbire> Probably best to just use the wands in the future lol
11:07 <Demo> can force bolt even hit on AC 0?
11:07 <Umbire> can't use 'em if you're dead
11:08 <rld> <@Zefnar> yea i mean i hit it once
11:08 <Demo> is it 1/20?
11:08 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> do you consider spellcasting expendable?
11:08 <rld> <@Zefnar> yea but i didnt think id DIE there umbire lol. i thought at worst he would knock me into red hp and i use an escape or pray
11:08 <rld> <@Zefnar> spellcasting isnt expendable because Pw regenerates
11:08 <rld> <@Zefnar> scrolls/wand charges disappear
11:08 <Umbire> and you can find/write replacements
11:08 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Cav Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Wayfarer, on T:26065
11:09 <froggles> Just looks like your underestimated mumak damage :P like you said
11:09 <rld> <@Zefnar> yes, but this all costs expendable resources
11:09 <rld> <@Zefnar> yea, its all good
11:09 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> whoa you had a wow
11:09 <rld> <@Zefnar> just didnt realize they did actual FOUR d12s
11:09 <Umbire> hindsight ofc and mostly a lesson for the future, but if it's either that or your life then use the resources
11:09 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> i would say you should use all of the charges on the wow if its extra
11:09 <rld> <@Zefnar> yes, obviously
11:09 <Demo> max mumak 60 dmg
11:10 <rld> <@Zefnar> the first two hits he must have rolled low, so i didnt expect that massive third hit
11:10 <Umbire> Hopefully you run it back 
11:10 <rld> <@Zefnar> i thought i had one more attack and then i could wand of digging or #pray or any other thing
11:10 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> wait is that the castle wow
11:10 <rld> <@Zefnar> no
11:10 <rld> <@Zefnar> i found it on like Dlvl 4
11:10 <rld> <@Zefnar> then i had a throne wish and geno
11:10 <rld> <@Zefnar> then i had a magic lamp
11:10 <rld> <@Zefnar> insane run
11:10 <rld> <@Zefnar> unfortunate end lmao
11:10 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> ah i see
11:11 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> sting is probably not a great weapon for dlvl 18 :}
11:11 <rld> <@Zefnar> alksdjfhadkf
11:11 <rld> <@Zefnar> i was TRYING to get MAGEBANE
11:11 <Umbire> Yeah, was explicitly leading that mumak to an altar
11:11 <Umbire> I'm surprised you didn't find any other good spellbooks though
11:11 <Umbire> actually lemme look again
11:11 <rld> <@Zefnar> i had some in my stash, but nothing particularly useful
11:12 <froggles> Wizards have a good chance to write books they don't know though right?
11:12 <Umbire> What were they
11:12 <Umbire> 1/3 before Luck I think?
11:12 <rld> <@Zefnar> idk, i think jump, restore ability, light
11:12 <rld> <@Zefnar> stuff like that
11:12 <rld> <@Zefnar> and yea, but i didnt want to waste marker charges yet
11:12 <rld> <@Zefnar> means more marker charges for later
11:12 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> i mean you did fine it probably was just a matter of knowing by experience how strong mumak are
11:12 <amateurhour> blind the mumak with fancy lights
11:12 <rld> <@Zefnar> yea, its all good
11:12 <Umbire> Jump ironically can be useful for positioning in situations like this
11:12 <froggles> You ever ascended?
11:12 <Umbire> Yeah, Elven ranger?
11:12 <rld> <@Zefnar> yea, as elf ranger
11:13 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> its easy as elbereth
11:13 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> but you just gotta get a sense of what does what damage to you
11:13 <Demo> @v?winged gargoyle
11:13 <Beholder> winged gargoyle (g) | Lvl: 9 | Diff: 11 | Spd: 15 | Res: petrification | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: -2 | Attacks: 3d6 claw physical, 3d6 claw physical, 3d4 bite physical | Alignment: -12 | Flags: genocidable, flies, breathless, thick hide, oviparous
11:13 <amateurhour> using cheat codes >:(
11:13 <rld> <@Zefnar> all good, again, game of risk/reward i thought i could handle the mumak without using expendable resources so i would have more resources for later, when game is harder, i was wrong :(
11:13 <rld> <@Zefnar> rip rip
11:13 <rld> <@Zefnar> elberethless conduct shadow
11:14 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> lmfao ok interesting choice
11:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Minetown, on T:1792
11:14 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> its not an official conduct
11:14 <rld> <@Zefnar> i should have just wand of sleeping'd the mumak on top of the altar tbh
11:14 <amateurhour> cheatcodeless conduct preserved :)
11:14 <rld> <@Zefnar> cause i dont use sleep wands often either, not sure when else i would have used it
11:15 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> you will almost certainly find that its better to use expendables in the early game, once you get the castle wow the only thing killing you is yourself
11:15 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> gehennom is also brimming with equipment that you won't need because of how strong you'll be at that point
11:15 <rld> <@Zefnar> yea, but consider also:
11:15 <rld> <@Zefnar> wands with charges can be polypiled
11:15 <rld> <@Zefnar> :P
11:16 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> i suppose... not a very common polypile choice
11:16 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> what would you even try to be getting at that point
11:16 <rld> <@Zefnar> idk, death or wish probably
11:16 <Umbire> Wands of nothing, light, SDD, etc. tend to be high charging
11:16 <rld> <@Zefnar> low % i know
11:16 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> wishing is impossible btw
11:16 <Umbire> ^
11:16 <rld> <@Zefnar> well death then
11:16 <NetSysFire> whats sdd?
11:16 <rld> <@Zefnar> :P
11:16 <Umbire> Secret door detection
11:16 <rld> <@Zefnar> secret door det
11:16 <rld> <@Zefnar> prolly
11:17 <NetSysFire> oh
11:17 <NetSysFire> yeah
11:17 <rld> <@Zefnar> ah man. whelp.
11:17 <amateurhour> solid state drive, better than hdd
11:17 <rld> <@Zefnar> time to go get something to eat and reset i guess 8)
11:17 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> it was a nice run :))
11:17 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> i personally suck at wizard so
11:17 <rld> <@Zefnar> i better find these bones >:O
11:17 <froggles> Is it possible to get a breakdown of a current game like this (https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/Z/Zefnar/nethack/dumplog/1629807701.nh.html) but for a local game not online?
11:18 <amateurhour> yeah, enable dumplogs
11:18 <rld> <@Zefnar> damn i didnt die with my markers on me
11:18 <amateurhour> https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Dumplog froggles 
11:18 <rld> <@Zefnar> wait yes i did
11:18 <rld> <@Zefnar> sick
11:18 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> encumberance reasons
11:19 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> its better to be stressed and carry all your stuff to leave in the bones in case you die
11:19 <froggles> amateurhour, thanks. Just looking at it now. I'm more looking for a summary of a current live game that I can share with people to talk about it
11:19 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una), 115 points, T:359, killed by a goblin
11:19 <rld> <@Zefnar> a current live game seems like cheating cause it would ID all your items and give you enlightenment
11:20 <froggles> Well yeah, it wouldn't have that :P It's alright. I could stitch together screenshots/text anyway.
11:20 <spicyCebolla> froggles: if you have your inventory open, a screenshot tells everyone most of the important facts
11:20 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> dcss has a cool feature like that
11:21 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> it probably isnt that hard to implement
11:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:6300
11:21 <Umbire> Yeah sharing screenshots is basically what you do
11:22 <Umbire> alt + prtsc the window or w/e, upload to imagehost, share link
11:22 <froggles> ^^ seems like that plan.
11:23 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> aha i apologize one last backseat @Zefnar :PP even with elberethless conduct the tooled horn you had will scare the mumak 100% of the time just like elbereth would
11:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Pri Gia Mal Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5111
11:23 <rld> <@Zefnar> ahhhh shit yea
11:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Pri Gia Mal Law) murdered his faithful killer bee, on T:5117
11:24 <Umbire> son of a--
11:24 <rld> <@Zefnar> but again i 100% believed i could take one more hit from him
11:24 <rld> <@Zefnar> i never felt like my life was in danger there
11:24 <Umbire> Well now you know
11:24 <rld> <@Zefnar> c'est la vie
11:24 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Emilus85 (Rog Hum Fem Cha) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3164
11:24 <Umbire> @v?shopkeeper
11:24 <Beholder> shopkeeper (@) | Lvl: 12 | Diff: 15 | Spd: 18 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 50 | Generates: special | AC: 0 | Attacks: 4d4 weapon physical, 4d4 weapon physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: omnivore, nopoly, infravisible
11:24 <Umbire> @e?shopkeeper
11:24 <Beholder> shopkeeper (@) | Lvl: 13 | Diff: 15 | Spd: 18 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 50 | Generates: special | AC: 0 | Attacks: 4d4 weapon physical, 4d4 weapon physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: omnivore, nopoly, infravisible
11:24 <Umbire> Oh so there's legit no diff, neat
11:25 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Cav Hum Mal Neu) genocided class h, on T:26556
11:25 <Umbire> But anyway, Beholder's pino function is also there if you need a monster stat lookup
11:25 <Umbire> and cbf to pull up the wiki
11:25 <rld> <@Zefnar> yea, i was just judging off the first two hits
11:25 <rld> <@Zefnar> he must have rolled low the first two
11:25 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> evil shopkeep is one level higher
11:25 <rld> <@Zefnar> cause he did like 25% hp both of them
11:25 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> which probably means nothing
11:25 <rld> <@Zefnar> the third hit was just massive
11:26 <Umbire> I mean pets attack monsters based on their level difference
11:26 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> ah true
11:26 <Umbire> I was looking for AC/hitdie differences
11:27 <Umbire> Evil keeps all get a staff in starting inventory as well
11:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:7145
11:27 <Umbire> And striking is replaced with sleep iirc, makes them harder to cheese
11:27 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Emilus85 (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 1321 points, T:3248, killed by a dwarf lady
11:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) endured an absurd aquatic ceremony, and now wields Excalibur, on T:2957
11:29 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una), 1814 points, T:2230, killed by a gecko, while frozen by a monster's gaze
11:30 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:3099
11:30 <rld> <@Zefnar> according to wiki, forcebolt to hit rolls a d20 and checks against (10+monster AC) so for AC 0 it's 9/20 chance to hit
11:30 <rld> <@Zefnar> rotten luck
11:31 <rld> <@Zefnar> d20 has to be less than 10, so 1-9 hit, 10-20 miss, if im reading this right?
11:31 <rld> <@Zefnar> almost 50/50
11:33 <Umbire> Like I said, hilariously unlucky
11:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3429
11:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) had a long sword entrusted to her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:44065
11:33 <Umbire> I once legit thought having AC 0 was effective immunity to force bolt it would miss so much
11:34 <rld> <@Zefnar> balances out the hilarious amount of good luck i had been having, so i guess fair is fair
11:35 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Cav Hum Mal Neu) killed the Chromatic Dragon, on T:27138
11:35 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Cav Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:27140
11:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] puncake (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Minetown, on T:1740
11:42 <greenbourne277> how many polymorph traps are there in mines end... do you enter the mines end only with some kind of protection from these traps?
11:43 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> some people do
11:43 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> if you beeline for the luckstone you are usually fine
11:43 <rld> <@Zefnar> i usually dont go past mine town without magic resistance if possible
11:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] hothraxxa (Bar Hum Fem Cha) entered Minetown, on T:6852, rt[2:18:02]
11:44 <rld> <@Zefnar> otherwise, step, search, step, search, step, search...
11:44 <rld> <@Zefnar> most traps dont bug me but poly traps do
11:45 <Umbire> In my experience polytraps in Mines End tend to be p. rare
11:47 <K2> heh really?
11:48 <greenbourne277> not sure about that :D
11:48 <K2> polytraps in mines end tend to be fairly common
11:48 <K2> sometimes you get lucky, but usually...
11:50 <Umbire> In Mines End specifically
11:50 <Umbire> Then again I'm probably including all the times there were ones but I got advance notice somehow so I didn't factor them
11:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] puncake (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Skirmisher, on T:3017
11:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Mal Law) rejected atheism by offering a hobbit corpse on an altar of Amaterasu Omikami, on T:3232
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11:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law), 4715 points, T:5122, crushed by a falling boulder
11:56 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Muad (Hea Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:21286
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11:58 <amateurhour> shout out to that time AntiGulp had 4 polytraps in mines end
11:59 <NetSysFire> hah
12:00 <Umbire> wew
12:01 <amateurhour> we were racing for sokomines on stream as well
12:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] puncake (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a hell hound pup, on T:4681
12:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed amulet of unchanging", on T:10724
12:03 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Cav Hum Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:28859
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12:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] puncake (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:5835
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12:19 <NetSysFire> wand of death on dlvl 2
12:21 <rld> <@ichbinmiah> "the ray bounces!"
12:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] SurferOfButthole (Wiz Gia Mal Neu) became literate by reading a book, on T:3623
12:22 <NetSysFire> K2: where are all the fun things Rodney has in Beholder? like !zap and stuff
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12:25 <K2> we purposely did not port over several functions from Rodney bot
12:25 <Demo> !booze Beholder
12:25 * Beholder throws Beholder a shot of the hard stuff, brewed by the late Pinobot at 381 Kelvin.
12:25 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] samiam (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:7322
12:26 <Muad> hmm, I got feverish from a werejackal in 3.7.0 and got blasted by EotA (healer)
12:27 <Muad> why did it do that suddenly?
12:27 <raisse> something else you did wrecked your alignment?
12:28 <Muad> i don't think so! it happened on the same turn
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12:33 <raisse> hm, being a werefoo isn't supposed to be bad for your alignment
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12:33 <Muad> well, i didn't auto-drop it, so I guess the problem isn't alignment
12:33 <raisse> oh! is the EotA silver?
12:35 <Muad> that would make sense (but again I assume that would make me drop it?)
12:36 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] puncake (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased fireproof +2 cloak of magic resistance", on T:6991
12:36 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] puncake (Val Dwa Fem Law) endured an absurd aquatic ceremony, and now wields Excalibur, on T:6996
12:37 <Muad> testing got me blasted by PYEC too when bitten & feverish
12:37 <Muad> i wonder what the rationale is
12:38 <aosdict> gaining lycanthropy causes you to retouch all your stuff. it's weird.
12:39 <Muad> hm.. maybe it's related to how polymorphing makes you do that. that makes sense, considering your skin becomes anew
12:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] burningchrome (Val Hum Fem Law) bribed Baalzebub with 3 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:27045
12:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:44633
12:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Bar Inf Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3130
12:44 <rld> <@nabru> "with 3 zorkmids"? Baalzebub is so cheap nowadays
12:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:11276
12:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Bar Inf Fem Cha), 851 points, T:3333, killed by a packrat, while fainted from lack of food
12:47 <raisse> ah! what aosdict said
12:48 <raisse> it's not because there's anything wrong with you (though there is, unless you *like* being a jackal), but because you're not a wizard
12:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Mal Law) destroyed qt's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:8210
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13:03 <Muad> of course, but the weird thing is how EotA checks me again and goes "hmm.. werejackal now. but not a werejackal *wizard*! time to blast"
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13:04 <Muad> perhaps, internally, a player who has lycanthropy is "werefoo" and no longer a gnome?
13:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Mal Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:11782
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13:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] zor (Cav Hum Mal Law) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:7904
13:14 <rld> <@Umbyre> QAs only check for role and alignment when blasting
13:15 <rld> <@Umbyre> Rather than you being in the same form you started with or not
13:16 <rld> <@Umbyre> Anyway, off to dentist then barber
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13:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] every (Ran Hum Fem Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:7054
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13:25 <rld> <@Umbyre> When I get back I wanna work on giant pages some
13:27 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] greenbourne277 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:18769
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13:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] samiam (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:11214
13:34 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [xnh] mobileuser (Cav Hum Fem Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:7088
13:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:17316
13:36 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a yeti, on T:17560
13:36 <NetSysFire> polytrap in the mines?
13:39 <rld> <@Zefnar> T:543 Xlvl: 1 ; T:544 Xlvl: 2 ; T:545 Xlvl: 3
13:39 <rld> <@Zefnar> wizard op
13:39 <rld> <Zefnar> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/880144293703065661/unknown.png
13:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Hea Inc Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed rustproof Gauntlets of Spell Power", on T:55321
13:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] ripley (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 16403 points, T:8932, killed by a wolf, while praying
13:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Hea Inc Mal Neu) wished for "blessed rustproof +2 Stormhelm", on T:55324
13:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Mal Law) had Angelslayer bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:19475
13:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Mal Law) had a copper chain mail entrusted to him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:19953
13:48 <NetSysFire> why does a lawful god gift angelslayer?
13:48 <jonadab> K2: It's not so much a bug as a compromise between conflicting concerns.  I decided that it was not worth turning one function call into two _every single place that it's called_ just to change the tense in the livelog.
13:49 <K2> so a bug that's low enough priority to not fix
13:49 <K2> got it :)
13:49 <jonadab> It's a design choice.  The Fourk livelog looks different from other variant livelogs.
13:50 <jonadab> Which confuses people who are used to other variants, granted.
13:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Zefnar (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1600
13:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] Bartlem (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on Dlvl:38, on T:34829
13:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] Bartlem (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:34830
13:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] Bartlem (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:34995
14:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] zor (Cav Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:13501
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14:04 <NetSysFire> @e?giant leech
14:04 <Beholder> giant leech (w) | Lvl: 6 | Diff: 8 | Spd: 8 | Res: poison | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: special | AC: 5 | Attacks: 2d6 bite sticky | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, swims, amphibious, oviparous
14:04 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Emilus85 (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 4 points, T:29, killed by a falling rock
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14:06 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 855 points, T:987, killed by a gnome lord
14:07 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 36 points, T:77, fell into a pit of iron spikes
14:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Mal Law) made his first wish - "blessed greased fixed +3 silver dragon scale mail", on T:23030
14:11 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Emilus85 (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 515 points, T:1089, killed by a coyote
14:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] Bartlem (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:35547
14:13 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Emilus85 (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 136 points, T:102, killed by a bat
14:13 <amateurhour> K2 is tnnt gonna be based on 3.7? 
14:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] Bartlem (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided class L, on T:35576
14:14 <K2> no not until 3.7 is out of dev
14:14 <Demo> what if 3.7 drops Halloween night?
14:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] Bartlem (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Champion, on T:35578
14:14 <K2> then it'll have to wait til next year
14:14 <K2> for 3.7
14:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] puncake (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:10485
14:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] Bartlem (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:35581
14:15 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> Wait does tnnt only accept games from the current version?
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14:15 <jonadab> tnnt only has one game in it, apart from minigames.
14:16 <jonadab> The one with multiple variants is junethack.
14:16 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> Well I was thinking more like 3.4.3 or 3.7
14:16 <jonadab> tnnt only ever has one version (in a given year)
14:17 <jonadab> As I understand it.
14:17 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> Just surprising to me because hard fought doesn’t have the latest stable normally
14:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] hothraxxa (Bar Hum Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:11159, rt[3:57:02]
14:17 <K2> TNNT is based off of the latest vanilla nethack *release*
14:17 <K2> that's 3.6.6
14:17 <K2> 3.7 is still in dev status, not even beta yet
14:18 <aosdict> and no indication it will change soon
14:18 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> Oh I forget that there is a separate tournament page
14:18 <aosdict> and yeah I'm not gonna program tnnt3.4.3 and tnnt3.6.6 and tnnt3.7.0-dev lol
14:18 <jonadab> TNNT is effectively a variant in its own right.
14:18 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> Fair enough lol
14:19 <K2> true, it has enough custom content to classify as a variant
14:19 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Emilus85 (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 423 points, T:594, poisoned by a rotted jackal corpse, while helpless
14:19 <K2> however, game mechanics are unchanged
14:19 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> I might have to do some practice to get used to 3.6
14:19 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> Ugh
14:20 <aosdict> I think there's a... 60/40? 70/30? split between people who just want it to be vanilla with extra tournament recording, and people who like the added challenges
14:20 <jonadab> Such a burden, having to spend your time _playing a game_.
14:20 <aosdict> wait, flip those numbers
14:20 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> Lmao
14:20 <aosdict> I think the majority like the devteam office and deathmatch and such
14:21 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> Goodbye #hardfought I will be playing on nao for a while
14:21 <jonadab> aosdict: I suspect at least 10%, maybe more, don't care very much one way or the other.
14:21 <amateurhour> lol shadow rider what is there to get used to
14:21 <amateurhour> just walk around and bugle everything like you usually do
14:21 <amateurhour> ;)
14:21 <aosdict> but I sympathize with the view that the new stuff have enough material rewards to make you feel like you have to do the
14:21 <K2> lol amateurhour
14:22 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> Ok my main concern at this point is the peacefuls
14:22 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> I’m going to go out of my mind getting prompt
14:22 <jonadab> EPI: if you attack a peaceful monster (even while confused or blind or whatever), all peaceful monsters are angered from then on.
14:23 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> Pfft I just laughed out loud
14:23 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> ahour you just gave me another thought which makes me happy
14:24 <amateurhour> shocking spheres aren't bad?
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14:24 <Demo> jonadab im pretty sure that epi is in vanilla now
14:25 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> No although that is a plus
14:25 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:4008, rt[0:13:37]
14:25 <K2> unihorn fixes All Things™
14:25 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> I no longer have to die on astral because of my bugle habits
14:25 <Demo> unihorn fixes angry peacefuls
14:26 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] greenbourne277 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Set, on T:22984
14:26 <Demo> "oi imma shove this up ur arse if u dont calm down"
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14:26 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:4169, rt[0:15:05]
14:27 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> jonadab were you talking about all peacefuls
14:27 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> I’m imagining priests and shopkeepers and stuff all chasing you down for no reason
14:27 <jonadab> Yeah, _all_ peacefuls.  Because you attacked a peaceful monster, so clearly you are not willing to live in peace :-)
14:28 <jonadab> Perhaps I should spell out that EPI stands for "Evil Patch Idea" and refers to something that should NOT be implemented because it would make the game worse.
14:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] Bartlem (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Yeenoghu, on T:36266
14:30 <jonadab> I think my favorite EPI is still the one where applying a tool or zapping a wand or reading a book or a scroll or quaffing a potion, causes you to first spend a turn wielding it, THEN do the action on it.
14:30 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Aphrodite, on T:23752
14:30 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Bin Bat Mal Non), 55627 points, T:9657, killed by a maid called Persephone
14:30 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:4918, rt[0:19:01]
14:30 <jonadab> It's so simple but has just SO MANY implications.
14:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:9150
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14:35 <amateurhour> that one is in slex and has the even more annoying consequence of having to apply it a SECOND time to use it
14:35 <amateurhour> which is so stupid
14:35 <amateurhour> :)
14:35 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> ahour are you still trying to ascend slex
14:36 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Mal Law) destroyed the invisible k2's ghost, the former Rogue, on T:24514
14:36 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:9725
14:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Woman-at-arms, on T:10358
14:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] Bartlem (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:37084
14:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] Bartlem (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on the Plane of Earth (for the 5th time), on T:37085
14:40 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered a shop, on T:6560, rt[0:29:23]
14:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at them by some watery tart, on T:2062
14:45 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Emilus85 (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 1295 points, T:2846, killed by a dagger
14:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] samiam (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased bag of holding", on T:13422
14:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:13741
14:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2713 points, T:3258, quit
14:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Enchanter, on T:13811
14:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (class c), on T:13927
14:55 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Emilus85 (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 587 points, T:1458, killed by a bear trap
14:57 <rld> <Zefnar> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/880164046668714014/unknown.png
14:57 <rld> <@Zefnar> #name Sting
14:57 <rld> <@Zefnar> pls
14:57 <rld> <@Zefnar> :P
14:58 <rld> <@Zefnar> alright fine i did it without Sting
14:58 <rld> <@Zefnar> 🙄
15:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] zor (Cav Hum Mal Law), 81912 points, T:15704, killed by an ogre king
15:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [gh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) retrieved the Mine's End luckstone, on T:4515
15:02 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 12340 points, T:10772, killed by an Elvenking
15:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Zefnar (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) destroyed nabru's ghost, the former Skirmisher, on T:4818
15:03 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Con Hum Mal Cha), 452 points, T:974, killed by a giant bat
15:04 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Con Hum Mal Cha), 80 points, T:166, killed by a water moccasin
15:04 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Bar Orc Fem Cha) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Set, on T:9360
15:05 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] greenbourne277 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) murdered her faithful warhorse, on T:24885
15:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law), 51168 points, T:12905, killed by a lieutenant
15:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) just blew up his bag of holding, on T:15593
15:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Quotidian (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 79 points, T:363, killed by a kobold zombie
15:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Cha) had a magical magenta spellbook given to her by Anhur, on T:80454
15:09 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 22110 points, T:9858, killed by a dwarven watch captain
15:10 <NetSysFire> rip me
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15:12 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 2011 points, T:2844, killed by a soldier ant
15:13 <rld> <Zefnar> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/880167976739954688/unknown.png
15:13 <rld> <@Zefnar> that's just rude
15:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] pybit (Val Hum Fem Law), 197 points, T:696, killed by a gas spore's explosion
15:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1646 points, T:2033, killed by a water moccasin
15:18 <K2> be glad it didnt use the wish for itself :P
15:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law), 193 points, T:219, killed by a sewer rat
15:18 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 266 points, T:547, killed by a jackal
15:19 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> bleh the 3.6 peacefuls are just as bad as i thought they would be
15:20 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> and to make matters worse i forgot about having to apply a key to unlock stuff
15:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur from a strange woman laying about in a pond, on T:2068
15:25 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:2429
15:26 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1432, rt[0:07:52]
15:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Dark One, on T:16703
15:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:16706
15:33 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered a shop, on T:3195, rt[0:14:22]
15:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:16739
15:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] ezion (Pri Hum Fem Law), 402 points, T:787, killed by a gnome lord
15:34 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:3488, rt[0:15:50]
15:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] pybit (Val Hum Fem Law), 501 points, T:1850, killed by a manes, while frozen by a floating eye's gaze
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15:37 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Zefnar (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 12799 points, T:7788, petrified by a chickatrice
15:38 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] every (Ran Hum Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:12860
15:41 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] greenbourne277 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:26583
15:42 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 2348 points, T:4367, killed by Mr. Ballyjamesduff, the shopkeeper
15:43 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) permanently converted to neutral, on T:233, rt[0:01:33]
15:44 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Emilus85 (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:4510
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15:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] ripley (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 318 points, T:599, killed by a fox, while being frightened to death
15:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] hothraxxa (Bar Hum Fem Cha) entered the Town, on T:14594, rt[5:27:15]
15:49 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:2760, rt[0:07:52]
15:50 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:2920, rt[0:08:31]
15:52 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law), 3315 points, T:3815, quit
15:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] ripley (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 846 points, T:1424, killed by a rothe
15:55 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Emilus85 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:5306
15:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Zefnar (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:2481
15:56 <rld> <@Zefnar> finally
15:56 <rld> <@Zefnar> yeesh
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15:58 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) had Giantslayer bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:4864, rt[0:16:34]
15:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at them by some watery tart, on T:1938
15:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:2000
16:00 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Emilus85 (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:5935
16:00 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Emilus85 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:5943
16:01 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Con Hum Mal Cha), 14953 points, T:5243, killed by a soldier ant
16:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Bin Bat Fem Non), 16124 points, T:3076, quit
16:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] ripley (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 823 points, T:1694, killed by a giant bat
16:02 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Emilus85 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:6091
16:02 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Emilus85 (Val Dwa Fem Law) rejected atheism by consulting with the priestess of Tyr, on T:6093
16:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:55180
16:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Zefnar (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 2617 points, T:3435, killed by a raven
16:04 <rld> <@Zefnar> yea ok
16:04 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [un] muahdib (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 3296 points, T:6042, killed by a blast of frost
16:04 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Con Hum Mal Cha), 158 points, T:480, killed by a grid bug
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16:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Kni Ang Nbn Law), 270 points, T:581, slipped while mounting a saddled pony
16:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) genocided class h, on T:17270
16:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] ripley (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 290 points, T:1129, killed by a small mimic
16:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) became Thoth's Envoy of Balance, on T:17274
16:08 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] APic (Hea Gno Fem Neu) destroyed spontiff's ghost, the former Rhizotomist, on T:6323
16:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] Bartlem (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Astral Plane, on T:37553
16:10 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Emilus85 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2691 points, T:6185, killed by a watch captain
16:11 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] APic (Hea Gno Fem Neu) read a Discworld novel, on T:6365
16:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 507 points, T:358, slipped while mounting a saddled pony
16:11 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) made his first artifact wish - "blessed Eye of the Aethiopica", on T:17356
16:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] every (Ran Hum Fem Neu), 19566 points, T:15555, killed by a xorn
16:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] Bartlem (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Death, on T:37592
16:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] Bartlem (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1190049 points, T:37635, killed by Death (with the Amulet)
16:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] WizzyTheWeird (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 289771 points, T:17961, killed while stuck in creature form
16:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] hothraxxa (Bar Hum Fem Cha) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Set, on T:15907, rt[5:59:11]
16:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:3712
16:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1899
16:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] monsignor (Bin Orc Mal Non) was given the Pen of the Void, on T:1469
16:26 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] ripley (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 1097 points, T:2172, killed by a hobgoblin
16:26 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:4624
16:26 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:4685
16:30 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:2271
16:31 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Con Hum Mal Cha), 1199 points, T:1297, killed by a pony
16:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Skillfulhacks (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:5276
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16:33 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 518 points, T:337, killed by a bolt of fire
16:37 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] APic (Hea Gno Fem Neu) had Vorpal Blade bestowed upon her by Hermes, on T:8899
16:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Orion (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 4883 points, T:4763, killed by a giant mimic
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16:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] every (Ran Gno Fem Neu) reached Minetown, on T:1054
16:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 486 points, T:431, killed by a gnome lord
16:51 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [xnh] mobileuser (Cav Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:9794
16:52 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Con Hum Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2439
16:53 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Con Hum Mal Cha), 6815 points, T:2667, killed by a watch captain
16:54 <rld> <@Pacra> !lastgame pacra
16:54 <Beholder> @Pacra: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/P/Pacra/evilhack/dumplog/1629864271.evil.html
16:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh343] samiam (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed rustproof +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:15279
17:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] post163 (Nob Elf Fem Cha), 55 points, T:488, slipped while mounting a saddled pony
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17:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Rog Orc Nbn Cha), 178 points, T:474, killed by a brown mold
17:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] hothraxxa (Bar Hum Fem Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon her by Set, on T:17815, rt[6:46:21]
17:06 <hothraxxa> whoa!
17:07 <hothraxxa> that was unexpected
17:07 <hothraxxa> i love you set
17:07 <Hekik> nice
17:10 <Hekik> also nice, coaligned altar on dlevel 1
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17:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Dna-Kni Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:6870
17:12 <NetSysFire> i find altars on dlvl 1 annoying, its better when they are on dlvl 2-6 so you can have a stash there so you can explore the mines
17:14 <Hekik> true, last few runs I had a distinct lack of altars at all in the main dungeon, so this one is quite welcome
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17:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Mal Law) had a pair of boots called jump entrusted to him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:27988
17:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 9508 points, T:5214, killed by an ettin mummy
17:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Mal Law), 69988 points, T:28421, suffocated by a water elemental, while praying
17:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] ezion (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 55 points, T:283, killed by a jackal
17:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Cav Vam Mal Cha), 914 points, T:1734, killed by a gnome
17:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) performed her first genocide (disenchanters), on T:49604
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17:22 <Hekik> hah, another altar on dlvl 3
17:22 <rld> <@nabru> ! lastgame qt
17:22 <Beholder> @nabru: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/q/qt/splicehack/dumplog/1607092846.splice.html | [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/q/qt/evilhack/dumplog/1629905901.evil.html
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17:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] zor (Rog Elf Mal Cha), 1024 points, T:763, killed by a dwarf
17:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Hekik (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 355 points, T:1450, killed by a small mimic
17:35 <Hekik> I forgot mimics can ooze under doors
17:37 <NetSysFire> @v?mimic
17:37 <Beholder> mimic ~3~ imp (i) | Lvl: 3 | Diff: 4 | Spd: 12 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 20 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 2 | Attacks: 1d4 claw physical | Alignment: -7 | Flags: genocidable, regenerates, stalker, infravisible
17:37 <NetSysFire> wow
17:37 <NetSysFire> @v?giant mimic
17:37 <Beholder> giant mimic (m) | Lvl: 9 | Diff: 11 | Spd: 3 | Res: acid | Confers: nothing | MR: 20 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 7 | Attacks: 3d6 claw sticky, 3d6 claw sticky | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, amorphous, clings, breathless, thick hide
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17:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2658
17:43 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh4] Ishchenko (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 6583 points, T:85, quit
17:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] hothraxxa (Bar Hum Fem Cha), 31054 points, T:19914, killed by a death ray
17:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Val Cen Fem Neu), 3873 points, T:2406, killed by a stone giant
17:45 <nabru> !booze
17:45 * Beholder hands nabru a tumbler of booze, brewed by Croesus at 192 degrees Fahrenheit.
17:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Emilus85's ghost, the former Fighter, on T:3695
17:52 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 702 points, T:2394, killed by a water moccasin
17:53 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 4 points, T:52, killed by a fox, while reading a book
17:53 <NetSysFire> cant even read anymore in peace
17:55 <nabru> literacy is forbidden in the dungeon
17:58 <Hekik> <fox biting chunks out of NetSysFire's leg> Not now! Can't you see I'm trying to read!?
17:58 <NetSysFire> YASI: foxes can be rabid
17:59 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Emilus85 (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1950
18:00 <Hekik> addendum: rabit rats, foxes, bats, dogs, etc have a chance to cause permanent confusion (until rabies is cured)
18:01 <Hekik> er, rabid, not "rabit"
18:01 <NetSysFire> also hydrophobia
18:01 <Hekik> "You can't seem to quaff the potion!"
18:01 <NetSysFire> huh? You drop an opal ring down the drain. Call an opal ring:
18:01 <NetSysFire> no message in eh
18:01 <NetSysFire> yes, i can see
18:01 <Hekik> if no message I think it's hunger?
18:02 <Hekik> there's one kind of ring that needs another item on the sink to get a message, pretty sure it's hunger
18:03 <NetSysFire> hmm good point
18:03 <rld> <@Zefnar> Could be a +0 accuracy or similar also I believe
18:04 <Hekik> ooh yeah
18:05 <K2> !tell Disruptor thanks for the insight, I've reported it to the dnethack devs
18:05 <Beholder> Disruptor shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, K2.
18:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Pri Ang Fem Law), 463 points, T:1080, killed by a gnome lord
18:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [gh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a vorpal jabberwock, on T:14870
18:07 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Emilus85 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1211 points, T:2045, killed by a wand
18:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] zor (Brd Clk Fem Law), 167 points, T:548, killed by a sewer rat
18:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] monsignor (Bin Orc Mal Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:3324
18:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 3186 points, T:5702, killed by a white unicorn
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18:18 <rld> <@Zefnar> Considering giving another variant a go before hacking at 3.7 elf wizard again
18:19 <rld> <@Zefnar> Favorites/recommendations?
18:19 <Demo> dnethack
18:19 <rld> <@Zefnar> Can I just copy my rc file from 3.7 and call it good?
18:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 425 points, T:1115, killed by a crossbow bolt
18:20 <Demo> no
18:21 <Demo> maybe play xnh if that's where ur headspace is idk
18:21 <Demo> dnh is kind of a lot to unpack
18:21 <rld> <@Zefnar> Yea let’s start small lmao
18:21 <rld> <@Zefnar> Considering I still don’t know that much about vanilla
18:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] peterg (Val Dwa Mal Law) killed Medusa, on T:15618
18:22 <Beholder> [hdf-au] [nh370] Orcranger (Bar Hum Mal Cha) read a Discworld novel, on T:11023
18:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [gh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 71014 points, T:17557, killed by an elder minotaur
18:22 <nabru> You are hit by an arrow!  You recoil from the touch of iron!  You feel wise!
18:23 <Beholder> [hdf-au] [nh370] Orcranger (Bar Hum Mal Cha) stole 1854 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Kittamagh's rare books, on T:11052
18:25 <Demo> yeah definitely dnh isnt a good idea then
18:25 <rld> <@Zefnar> thats ok i think im reset enough to give elf wizard another honest attempt. i can definitely see how will & patience plays big in this game, and why after your first ascension you start ascending more. it's easy to rush and take overly aggressive risks when you're eager to get to the end
18:26 <rld> <@Zefnar> when there's less pressure and you're just taking your time, better decisions are made
18:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] nabru (Wiz Elf Nbn Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1165
18:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] nabru (Wiz Elf Nbn Cha) read a Discworld novel, on T:1367
18:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] SurferOfButthole (Wiz Gia Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7937
18:33 <Hekik> I'd probably recommend xnh as a good first variant too, but some things that seem like small changes matter quite a lot
18:35 <Hekik> I tend to enjoy variants that are a very different experience from vanilla (like dnh, evilhack, slex) since it's easier to think about what's different. (not that I'm any good at all at those variants)
18:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] nabru (Wiz Elf Nbn Cha) destroyed zor's ghost, the former Rogue, on T:1820
18:37 <Hekik> in xnethack, nh4, and such I end up getting caught out by stuff like "oh, whoops, I forgot the variant changed this" and "oh yeah, xnethack doesn't have DSM and now I guess I'm a dragon"
18:37 <rld> <@Zefnar> hm
18:37 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> splice also seems to be very similar to vanilla
18:37 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> sorta
18:37 <rld> <@Zefnar> yea i see how keeping that separate from vanilla would be tough
18:38 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] nabru (Wiz Elf Nbn Cha), 3697 points, T:2237, killed by a bear
18:38 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> for me playing a new role was almost a variant in it of itself :DD
18:39 <Hekik> but that's kind of the appeal of variants too, at least for me. Regaining that feeling you have when just starting out with nethack and you aren't spoiled, you don't know how any of this works
18:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Zefnar (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) destroyed Grouchy's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:854
18:40 <Beholder> [hdf-au] [nh370] Orcranger (Bar Hum Mal Cha) entered the Bigroom, on T:11813
18:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2407
18:44 <aosdict> Hekik: my feeling was that dragon scales being worn in the cloak slot would tip players off that it doesn't work the way they expect. maybe I should just remove the become-a-dragon thing
18:44 <aosdict> but then again, you're not actually busting any armor by doing that
18:45 <rld> <@the_eternal_paradox> hahaha oh I relate so much to the "wow I'm suddenly new to this game" feeling with other variants, I spend half the time screaming thinking I was gonna die whenever I am doing suspiciously well :P
18:47 <rld> <@Zefnar> man forcebolt is actually quite strong.
18:47 <rld> <@Zefnar> one-hits a lot of bad guys
18:48 <rld> <@Zefnar> just gotta line em up
18:50 <rld> <@the_eternal_paradox> hmm be careful around nymphs though
18:52 <Hekik> aosdict: I had a good laugh at myself after doing it, and yes I should have noticed. I think I took my armor off and didn't realize which slot the scales went into
18:52 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] ezion (Tou Hum Mal Neu) reached Minetown, on T:4522
18:52 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] ezion (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:4529
18:52 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Zefnar (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1621
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18:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] ezion (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:4588
18:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] ezion (Tou Hum Mal Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping 8 daggers named ammo on an altar, on T:4592
18:53 <rld> <@Zefnar> yea nymphs make me sad as a wizard :(
18:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] desertgreg (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:4124
18:53 <rld> <@Zefnar> especially in the mines
18:53 <rld> <@Zefnar> take my stuff and disappear, and i have to lob rocks or daggers at it
18:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:3517
18:54 <rld> <@the_eternal_paradox> you don't have any other attack spells?
18:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Ride (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "marker", on T:50616
18:56 <rld> <@Zefnar> new game
18:56 <rld> <@Zefnar> only force bolt and knock
18:57 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Zefnar (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1908 points, T:1823, killed by a fire ant
18:57 <rld> <@Zefnar> hee haw
18:58 <nabru> go team a!
18:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] ezion (Tou Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Excursionist, on T:5032
18:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Ride (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "marker", on T:51319
19:00 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> how much worse is a no geno extinctionist going to be than with
19:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] zor (Val Inc Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:5169
19:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] nabru (Wiz Mer Fem Neu), 27 points, T:154, killed by a killer bee, while sleeping
19:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] ezion (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 1990 points, T:5804, quit
19:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Ride (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had Frost Brand bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:53889
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19:25 <rld> <@Pacra> sounds like exponentially worse, haha
19:26 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> i wasnt sure what people usually go for
19:26 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Zefnar (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1944 points, T:2253, killed by a soldier ant
19:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Orion (Con Gno Mal Cha), 1585 points, T:3193, killed by a giant ant
19:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:82603
19:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Ride (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had Fire Brand bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:61747
19:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Cha) genocided two random monsters from class h, on T:82671
19:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Cha) genocided two random monsters from class h, on T:82674
19:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Cha) genocided two random monsters from class h, on T:82676
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19:37 <rld> <@Pacra> alhoon hunting
19:37 <rld> <@Pacra> lol
19:37 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] zor (Val Inc Fem Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:7518
19:38 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Cha) genocided two random monsters from class h, on T:82696
19:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Zefnar (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:837
19:39 <K2> !tell Disruptor they fixed the quicksilver bit, server patched
19:39 <Beholder> No worries, K2, I've got this!
19:39 <rld> <@Zefnar> muahaha
19:39 <K2> dNetHack updated (all servers)
19:39 <K2> ^ bugfix
19:44 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 2758 points, T:2955, killed by an ape
19:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:42843
19:46 <NetSysFire> ah so K2 was bug hunting and all the different a monsters make it hard to get the bug you want to get rid of
19:48 <rld> <@Zefnar> wow i wasnt the only person dying to a
19:48 <rld> <@Zefnar> lmao
19:48 <rld> <@Zefnar> didnt even see that
19:48 <rld> <@Pacra> wow, super quick magicbane
19:48 <rld> <@Pacra> enjoy sir
19:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] sudgy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:31717
19:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Bin Bat Mal Non) averted death, on T:2107
19:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Magister, on T:43030
19:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] desertgreg (Mon Hum Mal Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:5988
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19:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] desertgreg (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:6133
19:54 <Umbire> Back
19:54 <Umbire> What I miss
19:54 <rld> <@Zefnar> bugs
19:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Physician, on T:43351
19:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Bin Bat Mal Non), 7030 points, T:2495, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted Uruk-hai, while praying
19:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] sudgy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:32197
20:02 <Umbire> Bugs?
20:05 <rld> <@Pacra> !lastgame kr02
20:05 <Beholder> @Pacra: No last game for kr02.
20:06 <rld> <@Pacra> !lastgame krO2
20:06 <Beholder> @Pacra: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/K/KrO2/dnethack/dumplog/1629921720.dnh.txt
20:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Hea Inc Mal Neu) killed the invisible Mother Hydra, on T:65150
20:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Hea Inc Mal Neu) killed Father Dagon, on T:65164
20:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] zor (Val Inc Fem Law), 38030 points, T:9114, killed by a shocking sphere, while fainted from lack of food
20:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a xorn, on T:83294
20:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 45 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:44269
20:26 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 719 points, T:1136, killed by an arrow
20:26 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Pri Dro Mal Neu), 641 points, T:840, killed by a gnome lord
20:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] zor (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 1101 points, T:1868, died of starvation
20:36 <NetSysFire> you get luck when you toss unicorns unidentified gems even if they are glass, right?
20:36 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Orion (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 4100 points, T:8302, killed by a chameleon imitating an alhoon
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20:37 <rld> <@Pacra> no, just gemstones iirc
20:37 <rld> <@Pacra> if its glass you just now know that that one is glass
20:38 <Umbire> somewhat tangential but Evilhack player giants know all worthless glass from the beginning
20:39 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> you can also lose luck tho right
20:39 <Guest0> Why would a lowly chameleon even know _how_ to polymorph into an alhoon? That is some-high level stuff!
20:39 <Hekik> nethack chameleons are something else, I know the ones on the Rogue quest sure love to turn into master liches
20:39 <Guest0> What a way to lose a character. With Lich's you can do something!
20:40 <rld> <@Pacra> lose luck from tossing glass at a unicorn? nah, they dont care
20:40 <Guest0> See alhoon. Dead. Was not even able to make a move. 55 HP ----> 0.
20:40 <NetSysFire> @e?alhoon
20:40 <Beholder> alhoon (h) | Lvl: 26 | Diff: 30 | Spd: 9 | Res: fire cold sleep shock poison drain | Confers: fire cold | MR: 90 | Generates: gehennom | AC: -6 | Attacks: 1d10 weapon physical, 5d6 touch cold, 2d1 tentacle drain int, 2d1 tentacle drain int, 0d0 cast spell | Alignment: -15 | Flags: genocidable, flies, breathless, regenerates, seeinvis, poisonous, covetous, infravisible
20:40 <rld> <@Pacra> sounds like mines alhoons
20:40 <Hekik> ouch
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20:40 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> they said unidentified gems
20:40 <nabru> !lastgame Orion
20:40 <Beholder> nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/O/Orion/evilhack/dumplog/1629934059.evil.html
20:41 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> if it turns out to be a valuable one you can lose luck
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20:41 <Guest0> Soko
20:41 <Hekik> that's if its cross aligned right
20:41 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> oh maybe
20:42 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> i rather stupid at nethack
20:42 <Hekik> you should only ever toss gems at a unicorn of your own alignment
20:42 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> ye you right
20:42 <Umbire> Nah, it was a chameleon
20:42 <Hekik> then you either gain luck or nothing, depending if it's gracious or grateful (glass vs real gem)
20:42 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> im dumb af
20:43 <Umbire> Said so in the death message
20:43 <Umbire> Also with liches you can absolutely instadie just like that 
20:43 <Guest0> You can, but I typically have a least one move.
20:43 <Guest0> Even with an Arch-Lich.
20:43 <Hekik> did it get all those attacks in one turn?
20:44 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> can try elbereth?
20:44 <rld> <@Shadow_Rider> dont know how it works in evil
20:44 <Hekik> !role nh370
20:44 <Beholder> Hekik: archeologist
20:44 <Hekik> oof, ok, why not
20:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Val Mer Nbn Neu), 514 points, T:1273, killed by a bugbear
20:45 <NetSysFire> @e?agent
20:45 <Beholder> agent (@) | Lvl: 6 | Diff: 6 | Spd: 18 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 10 | Generates: special | AC: 10 | Attacks: 1d4 weapon amulet steal, 1d1 claw amulet steal, 1d1 claw amulet steal, 1d1 claw amulet steal | Alignment: -7 | Flags: omnivore, teleports, nopoly, stalker, infravisible
20:45 <Guest0> Yeah.. one turn. I saw the alhoon and hit ESC.
20:46 <Guest0> Elbereth can only be used once read in some manner. . . and even then it is SEVERELY diminished. . . evenm more so than 3.6/7.x
20:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) killed Yeenoghu, on T:45726
20:46 <nabru> Well, I've never lived long enough on evil to get to Sokoban
20:46 <nabru> so I don't know much about the machanics
20:46 <nabru> *mechanics
20:46 <K2> Umbire: evilhack player giants start knowing some gems, not all
20:46 <Hekik> that cast of cone of cold was especially evil
20:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] zor (Ran Hum Fem Neu), 98 points, T:356, killed by a small mimic
20:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] icarus (Bin Orc Fem Non) killed Medusa, on T:65417
20:47 <K2> and what role they start out as has a bearing on how many
20:47 <Hekik> are gems more important in evilhack?
20:47 <K2> no
20:47 <K2> i may make them more important in the future
20:47 <K2> i have... an Idea™
20:48 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] NetSysFire (Inf Ith Fem Una), 6469 points, T:5165, killed by a magic missile
20:48 <NetSysFire> rip me
20:48 <NetSysFire> also oh no, an idea™
20:48 <Guest0> Gem alchemy?   :-D
20:48 <K2> i think the idea originated with krm26
20:48 <K2> its this:
20:48 <Umbire> K2: I'm aware, was just saying they at least know all glass
20:48 <K2> other variants have a magic chest - they are stationary, you cant move them
20:48 <K2> Umbire no they dont
20:48 <Umbire> At least that's what I've seen with my attempts thus far
20:49 <K2> these magic chests are placed in key spots thoughout the dungeon
20:49 <NetSysFire> YASI: throw gems at a wall, if they shatter its glass
20:49 <NetSysFire> cursed valuable gems have a chance to shatter
20:49 <NetSysFire> except diamonds perhaps
20:49 <K2> you put an object into it, its accessible from any magic chest
20:50 <Umbire> Hm, how many colors of glass are there...
20:50 <K2> its really cool but kind of overpowered
20:50 <K2> imo
20:50 <NetSysFire> accessing it could drain your life force (hp, just a bit) perhaps
20:50 <K2> the idea was, to use a magic chest, you first have to give it an offering, like a valuable gem
20:50 <NetSysFire> as in damage
20:50 <NetSysFire> also yeah something like this
20:50 <K2> ever see the tv series 'outlander' ?
20:51 <NetSysFire> no
20:51 <K2> you had to sacrifice a valuable gem to be able to travel back/forth through time
20:51 <K2> at the stone circle
20:51 <K2> anyways
20:52 <K2> should the offering be for only each time you loot the chest? or make it available for x number of turns?
20:52 <rld> <@Pacra> thats my favorite part of evilhack
20:52 <rld> <@Pacra> er the elbereth diminish
20:52 <K2> \o/
20:52 <Umbire> I'd lean towards the latter
20:52 <K2> me too
20:53 <K2> Umbire this gem discussion made me notice a small omission
20:53 <Umbire> But yeah, re: giants and gems, I've checked my starting knowledge often during a consecutive set of giant games
20:53 <K2> when i opened up more roles to giant race, i forgot to add the gem bit to that role
20:53 <K2> if giant
20:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] icarus (Bin Orc Fem Non) averted death, on T:65825
20:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Sam Gno Fem Cha), 352 points, T:909, killed by a housecat
20:53 <Umbire> Oh for priest?
20:53 <Umbire> I noticed because I'd always start with the knowledge of all the glass + a couple of actual gems
20:53 <Umbire> But never get them in the inventory
20:54 <K2> its random
20:54 <K2> every game
20:54 <Umbire> It is, I've noticed, but I seemed to always have knowledge of most glass, if not all somehow
20:54 <K2> hmm i stand corrected
20:54 <K2> this commit is so old i forgot
20:55 <K2>     case PM_GIANT:
20:55 <K2>         ./* Giants know valuable gems from glass, and may recognize a few types of valuable gem. */
20:55 <K2>         for (i = DILITHIUM_CRYSTAL; i <= LUCKSTONE; i++)
20:55 <K2>             if ((objects[i].oc_cost <= 1) || (rn2(100) < 5 + ACURR(A_INT)))
20:55 <K2>                 knows_object(i);
20:55 <K2>         break;
20:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 76 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:46558
20:55 <Umbire> (I feel like it was all but I should still make sure in any case)
20:55 <Umbire> .
20:55 <K2> its that some roles if giant start with a few gems
20:56 <K2> its all in u_init.c
20:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Tou Hum Nbn Neu), 163 points, T:526, killed by a little dog called Hachi
20:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] knnn (Wiz Dop Mal Cha), 493 points, T:450, killed by a dwarf
20:57 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Hea Elf Nbn Neu), 0 points, T:17, killed by an arrow
20:57 <aosdict> K2: the fact that giants (monsters) very frequently carry a pouch full of nothing but glass kind of contradicts them "knowing valuable gems from glass"
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20:57 <K2> well those are wild giants
20:57 <K2> player giants are more smarterly
20:58 <K2> its from your favorite variant that's never played btw
20:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] knnn (Wiz Dop Mal Neu), 99 points, T:186, killed by a kobold zombie
20:59 <Guest0> Then thems wild giants 'r really dumb. Cuz my max giant INT is 14 . . . 
20:59 <K2> heh
20:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] icarus (Bin Orc Fem Non), 3947268 points, T:66367, killed by a death knight
20:59 <Demo> !lastgame icarus
20:59 <Beholder> Demo: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/i/icarus/dnethack/dumplog/1629815319.dnh.txt
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21:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] knnn (Val Hum Fem Law), 1060 points, T:1104, escaped
21:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Bar Orc Nbn Cha), 385 points, T:700, killed by a gas spore's explosion
21:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] zor (Brd Clk Fem Law), 82 points, T:235, killed by a newt
21:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] knnn (Val Hum Fem Law), 540 points, T:584, killed by a coyote
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21:07 <Beholder> [hdf-au] [nh370] Orcranger (Bar Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:12076
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21:08 <rld> <@Pacra> oh no icarus
21:08 <rld> <@Pacra> 60-70k turn binder deaths break my heart
21:09 <rld> <@riker> icarus died so hard their turn count died with them
21:09 <Demo> yeah the bottom line melted
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21:10 <Umbire> AT&T can fucking eat me.
21:12 <Umbire> Anyway lemme look on the Discord side to see what I missed
21:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Hekik (Arc Dwa Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2211
21:16 <Umbire> Right, caught up now
21:16 <Umbire> But yeah, I'm guessing you're putting off the giant priest gem fix until next version?
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21:19 <Beholder> [hdf-au] [nh370] Orcranger (Bar Hum Mal Cha) stole 848 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Ennistymon's second-hand bookstore, on T:12696
21:21 <K2> Umbire its not a 'fix' really
21:21 <K2> othing is broken
21:21 <K2> *nothing
21:21 <K2> well, at least not in this regard
21:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Kni Hum Mal Cha), 596 points, T:1733, killed by a gnome lord
21:21 <Umbire> I mean in regards to the giant priest not actually starting with the gems they know like other giant roles
21:21 <K2> right
21:22 <K2> and the code bit I pasted, that applied for all giants regardless of role
21:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Quotidian (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 646 points, T:1627, killed by a gnome
21:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [slshm] knnn (Val Hum Fem Law), 4135 points, T:2674, killed by an ape
21:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mad Swn Fem Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:4095
21:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] icarus (Bin Orc Fem Non) completed Sokoban, on T:3133
21:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Quotidian (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 770 points, T:1319, killed by a bolt of cold
21:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Minetown, on T:2074
21:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Bar Inf Fem Cha), 357 points, T:734, killed by a psionic bolt
21:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1538 points, T:2427, quit
21:36 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Dan Orc Mal Cha), 138 points, T:184, killed by a dwarf
21:38 <Umbire> Righto
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21:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] icarus (Bin Orc Fem Non), 27618 points, T:5285, killed by a piranha
21:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Wiz Gno Nbn Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1085
21:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] icarus (Bin Orc Fem Non), 539 points, T:644, killed by a little dog
21:49 <Beholder> [hdf-au] [nh370] Orcranger (Bar Hum Mal Cha) had Fire Brand bestowed upon him by Set, on T:14793
21:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Wiz Gno Nbn Neu), 634 points, T:1282, killed by a giant fly
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21:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Cha) genocided two random monsters from class h, on T:83968
21:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Cha) genocided two random monsters from class h, on T:83969
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22:00 <Umbire> K2: Before I forget, there anything incorrect on the Giant starting race page?
22:00 <Umbire> https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Giant_(starting_race)
22:00 <Umbire> Currently working on it and want to catch anything I might've missed previously
22:01 <K2> looking
22:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Bar Inf Nbn Cha), 1138 points, T:1872, killed by an efreet
22:03 <K2> looks good
22:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Hea Inc Mal Neu), 4049542 points, T:68430, killed by Dagon
22:04 <Demo> !lastgame Disruptor
22:04 <Beholder> Demo: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/D/Disruptor/dnethack/dumplog/1629508534.dnh.txt
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22:08 <Umbire> K2: 👍
22:09 <Umbire> I'm expanding a bit and was hoping to add some strategy with a bit of assistance from better players
22:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Arc Hum Fem Law), 47 points, T:80, killed by a marid
22:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Cha) killed Mephistopheles, on T:84314
22:12 <Muad> aw, heck. i hope i can help too
22:13 <K2> hah
22:13 <K2> <3 Muad
22:14 <Umbire> Psh, I'd consider you better
22:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Ran Dro Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1339
22:15 <Umbire> though idk how much you've played Evil giants
22:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Tou Hum Mal Neu) had a silver saber entrusted to him by The Lady, on T:6631
22:15 <K2> Pacra you lucky bastard
22:15 <K2> wow
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22:15 <K2> that's gonna be blessed, enchanted, and if you're lucky, have an object property
22:18 <Umbire> Yeah, that's a baller gift for a Tourist in particular
22:18 <Umbire> don't die
22:19 <rld> <@Zefnar> hm
22:19 <rld> <@Zefnar> i found a bag of tricks
22:19 <rld> <@Zefnar> can i #apply magicbane and turn it into a sack?
22:19 <rld> <@Zefnar> cancel it?
22:19 <rld> <@Zefnar> i dont see anything on the wiki about how this would work
22:20 <Muad> no, you can't
22:20 <Muad> in some variants, it works as a sack when it's empty I think
22:21 <Muad> cancellation will only remove its charges and uncurse it
22:22 <rld> <@Pacra> "The gnoll cleric turns into an orange dragon!"
22:22 <rld> <@Pacra> welp, cya Mines
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22:23 <rld> <@Pacra> it's quite nice, I lucked out on a mithril dwarvish short sword earlier however
22:23 <rld> <@Pacra> my lesser nightmare pet is stuck in some sort of weird pathing thing, interesting
22:24 <rld> <@Pacra> I'll probably leave him to run in circles
22:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Ran Dro Fem Cha), 1737 points, T:1794, killed by a gnome lord
22:25 <rld> <@Pacra> poor bastard died to a zombie anyway
22:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] vor (Mad Vam Mal Neu) averted death, on T:379
22:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] vor (Mad Vam Mal Neu), 664 points, T:408, killed by a piranha
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22:30 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Sam Hum Fem Law), 10990 points, T:8146, poisoned by an orcish arrow
22:30 <klintos> argh
22:31 <klintos> survived like 1000 bee stings
22:31 <klintos> then that
22:33 <Umbire> F
22:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] monsignor (Bin Orc Mal Non), 36565 points, T:7001, caught himself in his own fireball
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22:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Mon Hum Mal Law), 216 points, T:959, killed by a shotgun shell
22:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Tou Hum Mal Neu) had a leather studded armor entrusted to him by The Lady, on T:9038
22:44 <Umbire> Muad: Also it's UnNetHack where an empty bag of tricks can act as a sack
22:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Mon Inc Mal Law), 1687 points, T:1119, quit
22:47 <Muad> Umbire, right, i thought it was one i had played
22:47 <Muad> i wonder what happens if you charge it while it's full
22:48 <Umbire> You destroy the contents
22:48 <Muad> heck
22:49 <Muad> imo they should go into the inventories of the created monsters
22:50 <Muad> maybe such that if you fill the bag with orcish helms and then apply it, you get orcs
22:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Tou Gno Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1075
22:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Tou Gno Mal Neu), 816 points, T:1223, killed by a gnomish wizard
22:56 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Muad (Hea Gno Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:22367
22:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Sam Hum Fem Law) had a leather armor entrusted to her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:50872
23:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Umbire (Pri Gia Mal Law), 6390 points, T:8978, killed by a piranha
23:00 <Umbire> Yet another fucking stunlock.
23:01 <Umbire> Trying to wait it out because I don't feel like chancing a wander into the water, decide "fuck it THAT'S not working" and get surrounded by piranhas
23:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] icarus (Bin Orc Fem Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:3857
23:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] vor (Mad Dwa Mal Law), 2155 points, T:1308, killed by a rabid rat
23:02 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Muad (Hea Gno Mal Neu) had Trollsbane bestowed upon him by Hermes, on T:22937
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23:03 <Muad> thanks Hermes, now I can kill giants, trolls, and werecreatures
23:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] zor (Pir Elf Mal Cha), 540 points, T:698, killed by a gnome lord zombie
23:03 <Umbire> That seems oddly specific
23:04 <Umbire> Also with the troll disposal strat nerfed there's a chance you'll appreciate having the revival null
23:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Zefnar (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:4280
23:04 <Muad> huh, what's this nerf?
23:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] icarus (Bin Orc Fem Non), 8683 points, T:4073, killed by Ms. Maganasipi, the shopkeeper
23:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Zefnar (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:4309
23:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Tou Hum Mal Neu) had a bone helmet entrusted to him by The Lady, on T:11538
23:06 <Umbire> Pets only eat when actually hungry
23:07 <Umbire> i.e. they won't just vacuum up corpses anymore
23:07 <Umbire> which is probably the most reliable way pre-3.7 of disposing of a troll minus drowning them
23:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] Pacra (Tou Hum Mal Neu) had a steel long sword entrusted to him by The Lady, on T:11728
23:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] meek (Tou Hum Mal Neu) murdered his faithful little dog, on T:978
23:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] meek (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:3005
23:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] meek (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 770 points, T:3047, killed by an invisible gnome
23:23 <Looksfar> Trolls were one reason I lug a tinning kit around when available, Umbire.  Probably even more useful in 3.7.
23:23 <Umbire> Ofc
23:23 <Umbire> Granted that relies on you having one before you meet a troll
23:24 <Umbire> Can also shove them in a box but good luck lugging them to one
23:24 <Umbire> Eating them yourself can work but you can be unlucky and end up satiated from trying to finish the one alone
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23:26 <Looksfar> Eating 'em doesn't seem to work for me.  They usually rise when I'm about half done, so I end up satiated and getting beat on for my trouble.
23:30 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] meek (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 447 points, T:1676, killed by a werejackal
23:30 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [un] timelost (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 12 points, T:67, killed by a goblin
23:31 <Umbire> Yep
23:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] zor (Mon Orc Nbn Cha), 1957 points, T:1178, killed by a watchman
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23:40 <rld> <@Pacra> !lastgame nabru
23:40 <Beholder> @Pacra: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/evilhack/dumplog/1605872855.evil.html | [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/nethack/dumplog/1629928142.nh.html | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/nethack4/dumplog/2020-08-11%2011%3A15%3A06%2C%20Testin%27-Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu%2C%20died.txt
23:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] vor (Mad Dwa Mal Law), 3461 points, T:3101, killed by a gnome king
23:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] vor (Mad Dwa Mal Law), 826 points, T:210, killed by a hellfire colossus
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